Great video - but I'm confused. In your written report on your website you claimed the torque is 60nm. Here in your video (and on Ride1Up's product page) the torque is claimed to be 90nm. Which torque value is correct? The average performance up HellHole makes me think it's actually 60nm and the product page is lying?
I followed up on this hunch and checked out your review on the R1U 700 Series that you made 2 years ago. That advertises a 750w 60nm motor, and has almost the same weight as the Turris at around 60lbs. Sure enough, your HellHole test for PAS time was almost identical for both bikes, 87 seconds and 92 seconds. Something tells me the Turris is actually sporting 60nm and not 90nm, really wish someone with the bike could do some empirical testing on the real torque output.
I personally own this bike and have personally been using it everyday for a few months.... It's a standard ebike that has a lil punch with throttle ..... It makes a good 1st bike... But if you're experienced it's just a get what you pay for bike
Id have to say it's a little better than a first bike. There are bikes out there that are more beginner than this. Price point, definitely a great bike!
I've never owned an ebike and I'm agonizing over choosing this or the Roadster V3. They're basically the same price, and both have advantages. On one hand, I want the versatility of the Turris with the tires and front suspension, but admittedly I'd basically just be using it for around town and maybe some gravel trails every now and again. The shocks would be nice, but not necessary. On the other hand, I really like the smaller lightweight profile of the Roadster V3, and how it would be more nimble. It's also newer, and has a better shifter, more gears, and a torque sensor rather than the Turris's cadence sensor. Is the higher versatility of the Turris worth having a worse motor sensor, shifter, and gear range, or should I go for the Roadster V3, which technically just has better parts? How big of a difference is the torque sensor compared to the cadence sensor, is it drastically better?
They are very different bikes in terms of riding position, feel, pedal assist, etc., but it sounds like you're well aware of each bike's qualities. There is a noticeable difference between the Turris' cadence sensor and the Roadster's torque sensor; if you're looking for something responsive and natural, the Roadster will probably be your better option. Plus, it's hard to ignore that spec package! But the Turris is a super versatile bike that's a steal for what it can do.
@@ElectricBikeReport Thank you, that's helpful! I still have some thinking to do, but yeah the torque sensor vs cadence sensor, and the overall weight of the bike, are probably my biggest considerations. But then, I could also maybe get the LMT'D V2, which is basically an upgraded Turris that has a torque sensor and better shifter, and is on sale right now. I wish it had the tires of the Turris though, kind of a silly complaint but I don't love the tires on the LMT'D, or the heavier spring shocks. Almost wish I could special order a LMT'D that came with those Turris parts. A tough decision!
I've had the turris for close to a yr now. Super comfy, great power for the price, I've hit with pedaling 30mph. The cadence sensor is one of the better ones out there. Feels good. Never really feel any ghost pedaling. The downside for me is it's a little heavy. About 55lbs or so. But for all around street pavement light trail it's an excellent bike.
They bumped up the motor’s peak torque to 90Nm? That addresses the one feature that kept me from considering it before - I think it was just 60Nm when it first came out, insufficient with this size tire for the hills I have to tackle. Bummer I just pulled the trigger on the Rift on its clearance price after your short video alerting us to Ride1Up’s sale prices. But this is a much lighter all-rounder than the Rift, and I think it looks nicer too.
@@MrDaveRobert I think they’re close in the amount of force they apply to the ground (divide torque by the radius), with the Turris having a slight advantage (I measured 14in for my LMT’d with similar 27.5x2.4in tires, and 11in for the 20x3 tires on my XPedition, which should be close to the 20x3 ones on the Portola). The smaller wheel/tire combo is easier to spin up. Perhaps the controllers have different capabilities. The display may also set lower caps than the controllers are capable of. For instance, my LMT’d has a 22A controller, but the display defaults to a 20A cap. Apparently the Rift does the same, capping its 30A controller to 25A. This is done to avoid burning out the controller.
@@chow-chihuang4903 Hmm. That's interesting. I hadn't thought of the physics of it. My wife has a Portola, which is a great little bike and can quickly power up hills. But it feels a little small for me. I was thinking the Turris might be a better fit. I don't really want a giant full fat tire e-bike. But I still want that hill power when I need it!
No, there is no way the motor is 90nm. R1P is either unaware of a typo or intentionally misleading people on their product page. Look at any other bike with this weight and a 60nm motor and they get the same performance as this bike.
@@thelastneenja That’s the odd thing. It used to state its motor had a peak torque of 60Nm, like the one on the Cafe Cruiser, not that a typo couldn’t have happened recently.
90nm is a typo or R1P is intentionally lying about the product specs. EBR really should have recognized this and known better as the "experts" on this subject. When they reviewed the 700 series 2 years ago it got nearly identical results as this bike, and guess what, it's the same weight and has a 60nm motor.
It depends on what you plan to do with your bike. The Solera is geared mostly toward urban use, although we've talked with some folks who plan to use it as a gravel bike. The Turris has a more upright posture and includes a suspension and knobby tires, so it's ready to go for both on- and off-road rides. They're both really solid choices!
Are you guys noticing that you are getting up to twice the range that many other reviewers are getting? You must have a ‘secret sauce’ no one else has figured out yet 😊 Especially good are your Rift results 🍻🙃
Not versatile for all, especially for seniors, so be careful getting the misleading message from the video. The vehicle market showed regardless of the car designer intention that higher-sitting crossovers/SUVs are the general public preference categorically. The same is valid what the general e-bike public tend to - step-through foldable with less fat tires (20”x3” instead of not as good maneuverable 20x4” and wider) e-bikes having enough el. power. For example, not under-powered e-bikes like the overly-expensive fir its less equipment Lectric Lite 2.0.
This step-over bike is not versatile for all obviously vs. step-through, this is what obviously I’m saying. The fact that you’re getting hyper and not respectful is because you do not want to see the rationality.
The variance of human beings makes a phrase like versatile for all mean very little maybe versatile for some could apply to some but no such thing as versatile for all. After all the variables of the subject in this case human beings where linear static attributes such as human dimensions size strength are Met with parameters inherently subjective and constantly evolving such as preference completely nullifies the notion that one size fits all is possible. Personally when thinking about riding a foldingstep through bike. The reason for that brings up another interesting question to think about I in my opinion the aesthetics of those bikes are beyond ugly and it begs the question our aesthetics something that's subjective or objective and in this case I think of interesting I doubt many people will look at a foldable bike and say that aesthetically it is pleasing to the eye compared to something like the bike in the video here. Finally I'll add aesthetics can undoubtedly be measured in terms of versatility just like Blazer is or how a nice pullover sweater is mutually practical while also visually pleasing
@@eds7344 Thete is a question mark at a numerous Ride1Up product description (s). Portola model, for example, claims that it can accommodate up to 6’4” riders, which is not true also, barely 6 ft rider can ride it comfortable, and many customer and reviewers are noticing this misinformation as well.
All e-bike with one-two exceptions are assembled in China, even Lectric which spends more money and time for exaggerated marketing than upgrading their otherwise popular but more expensive e-bikes, more expensive than the best value e-bikes in this $1K price range and below.
Since all e-bikes on U.S. market are assembled/made in China there are some like Lectric, and its known competitors that leave a wrong marketing impression like there are U.S. bike, they are only marketing and sale, nothing more, nothing less. If this info about e-bike tariffs is true the already e-bike exaggerated pricing in U.S. will become even less accessible for the general public?!
Great video - but I'm confused. In your written report on your website you claimed the torque is 60nm. Here in your video (and on Ride1Up's product page) the torque is claimed to be 90nm. Which torque value is correct? The average performance up HellHole makes me think it's actually 60nm and the product page is lying?
I followed up on this hunch and checked out your review on the R1U 700 Series that you made 2 years ago. That advertises a 750w 60nm motor, and has almost the same weight as the Turris at around 60lbs. Sure enough, your HellHole test for PAS time was almost identical for both bikes, 87 seconds and 92 seconds. Something tells me the Turris is actually sporting 60nm and not 90nm, really wish someone with the bike could do some empirical testing on the real torque output.
My bike came with a brake light on it, and it worked
@@wadestarnes130 da fuq does the brake light have to do with the torque?
@@thelastneenjatalk to ride1up
brighter light = more torque duh
What is that clicking noise during the whole speed test?
I have a turris, its really quiet. Derailers clicking. Brakes do drag sometimes
I personally own this bike and have personally been using it everyday for a few months.... It's a standard ebike that has a lil punch with throttle ..... It makes a good 1st bike... But if you're experienced it's just a get what you pay for bike
Id have to say it's a little better than a first bike. There are bikes out there that are more beginner than this. Price point, definitely a great bike!
I've never owned an ebike and I'm agonizing over choosing this or the Roadster V3. They're basically the same price, and both have advantages. On one hand, I want the versatility of the Turris with the tires and front suspension, but admittedly I'd basically just be using it for around town and maybe some gravel trails every now and again. The shocks would be nice, but not necessary. On the other hand, I really like the smaller lightweight profile of the Roadster V3, and how it would be more nimble. It's also newer, and has a better shifter, more gears, and a torque sensor rather than the Turris's cadence sensor.
Is the higher versatility of the Turris worth having a worse motor sensor, shifter, and gear range, or should I go for the Roadster V3, which technically just has better parts? How big of a difference is the torque sensor compared to the cadence sensor, is it drastically better?
I'm wondering the same things
They are very different bikes in terms of riding position, feel, pedal assist, etc., but it sounds like you're well aware of each bike's qualities. There is a noticeable difference between the Turris' cadence sensor and the Roadster's torque sensor; if you're looking for something responsive and natural, the Roadster will probably be your better option. Plus, it's hard to ignore that spec package! But the Turris is a super versatile bike that's a steal for what it can do.
@@ElectricBikeReport Thank you, that's helpful! I still have some thinking to do, but yeah the torque sensor vs cadence sensor, and the overall weight of the bike, are probably my biggest considerations. But then, I could also maybe get the LMT'D V2, which is basically an upgraded Turris that has a torque sensor and better shifter, and is on sale right now. I wish it had the tires of the Turris though, kind of a silly complaint but I don't love the tires on the LMT'D, or the heavier spring shocks. Almost wish I could special order a LMT'D that came with those Turris parts. A tough decision!
im thinking the same, might do roadster.
I've had the turris for close to a yr now. Super comfy, great power for the price, I've hit with pedaling 30mph. The cadence sensor is one of the better ones out there. Feels good. Never really feel any ghost pedaling. The downside for me is it's a little heavy. About 55lbs or so. But for all around street pavement light trail it's an excellent bike.
They bumped up the motor’s peak torque to 90Nm? That addresses the one feature that kept me from considering it before - I think it was just 60Nm when it first came out, insufficient with this size tire for the hills I have to tackle.
Bummer I just pulled the trigger on the Rift on its clearance price after your short video alerting us to Ride1Up’s sale prices.
But this is a much lighter all-rounder than the Rift, and I think it looks nicer too.
I am perplexed as to why this 90Nm bike is so much slower up Hell Hole than the 65Nm Portola that weighs about the same.
@@MrDaveRobert I think they’re close in the amount of force they apply to the ground (divide torque by the radius), with the Turris having a slight advantage (I measured 14in for my LMT’d with similar 27.5x2.4in tires, and 11in for the 20x3 tires on my XPedition, which should be close to the 20x3 ones on the Portola). The smaller wheel/tire combo is easier to spin up.
Perhaps the controllers have different capabilities. The display may also set lower caps than the controllers are capable of. For instance, my LMT’d has a 22A controller, but the display defaults to a 20A cap. Apparently the Rift does the same, capping its 30A controller to 25A. This is done to avoid burning out the controller.
@@chow-chihuang4903 Hmm. That's interesting. I hadn't thought of the physics of it. My wife has a Portola, which is a great little bike and can quickly power up hills. But it feels a little small for me. I was thinking the Turris might be a better fit. I don't really want a giant full fat tire e-bike. But I still want that hill power when I need it!
No, there is no way the motor is 90nm. R1P is either unaware of a typo or intentionally misleading people on their product page. Look at any other bike with this weight and a 60nm motor and they get the same performance as this bike.
@@thelastneenja That’s the odd thing. It used to state its motor had a peak torque of 60Nm, like the one on the Cafe Cruiser, not that a typo couldn’t have happened recently.
90nm of torque and it barely made it up on throttle? Something is off unless it can’t sustain that amount of torque.
It's cause it's actually 60nm. Check the website
@@CommentLikeDescribe I honestly doubt it’s that much. 60nm is still respectable.
90nm is a typo or R1P is intentionally lying about the product specs. EBR really should have recognized this and known better as the "experts" on this subject. When they reviewed the 700 series 2 years ago it got nearly identical results as this bike, and guess what, it's the same weight and has a 60nm motor.
What would you recommend between this and the Aventon Soltera 2?
It depends on what you plan to do with your bike. The Solera is geared mostly toward urban use, although we've talked with some folks who plan to use it as a gravel bike. The Turris has a more upright posture and includes a suspension and knobby tires, so it's ready to go for both on- and off-road rides. They're both really solid choices!
I have a turris, its the best for the price by far. Bigger motor, battery, thumb throttle, cadence sensor, 40 miles of range in assist 2
Are you guys noticing that you are getting up to twice the range that many other reviewers are getting?
You must have a ‘secret sauce’ no one else has figured out yet 😊
Especially good are your Rift results 🍻🙃
How do you change class modes
Wow, $1100, what a deal!
Does anybody know what phone app they're using here?
It's just called "Speedometer" with a black, white, and red icon
@@ElectricBikeReport Thank you!
Nobody waves back, what asses
Usually they do.
Not versatile for all, especially for seniors, so be careful getting the misleading message from the video. The vehicle market showed regardless of the car designer intention that higher-sitting crossovers/SUVs are the general public preference categorically. The same is valid what the general e-bike public tend to - step-through foldable with less fat tires (20”x3” instead of not as good maneuverable 20x4” and wider) e-bikes having enough el. power. For example, not under-powered e-bikes like the overly-expensive fir its less equipment Lectric Lite 2.0.
Do you know what a question mark means?
This step-over bike is not versatile for all obviously vs. step-through, this is what obviously I’m saying. The fact that you’re getting hyper and not respectful is because you do not want to see the rationality.
The variance of human beings makes a phrase like versatile for all mean very little maybe versatile for some could apply to some but no such thing as versatile for all. After all the variables of the subject in this case human beings where linear static attributes such as human dimensions size strength are Met with parameters inherently subjective and constantly evolving such as preference completely nullifies the notion that one size fits all is possible. Personally when thinking about riding a foldingstep through bike. The reason for that brings up another interesting question to think about I in my opinion the aesthetics of those bikes are beyond ugly and it begs the question our aesthetics something that's subjective or objective and in this case I think of interesting I doubt many people will look at a foldable bike and say that aesthetically it is pleasing to the eye compared to something like the bike in the video here. Finally I'll add aesthetics can undoubtedly be measured in terms of versatility just like Blazer is or how a nice pullover sweater is mutually practical while also visually pleasing
There is a question mark on the title.
@@eds7344 Thete is a question mark at a numerous Ride1Up product description (s). Portola model, for example, claims that it can accommodate up to 6’4” riders, which is not true also, barely 6 ft rider can ride it comfortable, and many customer and reviewers are noticing this misinformation as well.
Ebikes from China will be getting a 25% tariff added after June 15 this year. I think this also applies to parts.
All e-bike with one-two exceptions are assembled in China, even Lectric which spends more money and time for exaggerated marketing than upgrading their otherwise popular but more expensive e-bikes, more expensive than the best value e-bikes in this $1K price range and below.
Since all e-bikes on U.S. market are assembled/made in China there are some like Lectric, and its known competitors that leave a wrong marketing impression like there are U.S. bike, they are only marketing and sale, nothing more, nothing less. If this info about e-bike tariffs is true the already e-bike exaggerated pricing in U.S. will become even less accessible for the general public?!