Culp's Hill. BGA 150th Gettysburg Reenactment

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  • Опубликовано: 18 июл 2013
  • Culp's Hill. Blue Gray Alliance 150th Gettysburg Reenactment. Taken with GoPro HERO3 Black.

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  • @MauserKar98k
    @MauserKar98k 8 лет назад +62

    Good to see a reenactment with a little intensity, as opposed to a bunch of farbs yucking it up and treating it like a joke. Nicely done!

    • @hamontequila1104
      @hamontequila1104 3 года назад +1

      So you haven’t seen the good ones yet well glad you finally found one that’s good

  • @Kilrain17
    @Kilrain17 9 лет назад +67

    I was on the other side of the earthworks. We had just finished preparing dinner as the Confederates started coming up the hill. Hearing the trumpet roar and seeing the hundreds of Federals in camp rush to the earthworks without their jackets, hats, etc. is one of the memories I'll have forever. There was such confusion and yet such order that it struck me. We were ordered to take our food with us to eat while the Confederates came up the hill.

    • @GeneralMatt1080p
      @GeneralMatt1080p 6 лет назад

      Richard D. Moore I'm a reenactor as well and I have a GoPro where is the best place to put it

    • @hamontequila1104
      @hamontequila1104 3 года назад

      I was not in this particular reenactment but I love civil war reenactment and I know how to find good ones

  • @wingman2357
    @wingman2357 6 лет назад +28

    As a former reenactor, I'll never forget how every shot from these rifles you could just feel in your chest. Powerful, and quite chaotic.Add the cannons.....fawgetaboutit.

    • @agrippa1251
      @agrippa1251 2 года назад

      Did you guys use some kind of rubber balls?

    • @thathistoryguy3021
      @thathistoryguy3021 2 года назад

      No. We reenactors have balls of steel.

  • @1stminnsharpshooters341
    @1stminnsharpshooters341 5 лет назад +18

    This was my first major re-enactment - I was on the top of the hill with the Union. *LIKED* the video and hope to see ya'all in the field again.

    • @HistoryBoy
      @HistoryBoy 3 года назад

      Fancy seeing you here pard!

  • @charlescalvert8647
    @charlescalvert8647 6 лет назад +4

    Had family on Culps Hill. Brutal fighting!!
    I've reenacted for 20+ years.
    Often have overwhelming feelings and emotions during engagements. For those who haven't experienced being part of a reenactment, it's quite amazing.
    I own large property in MD that closely resembles Culps Hill.
    Be visiting Gettysburg soon.
    Thanks for sharing!

  • @slantsix6344
    @slantsix6344 7 лет назад +19

    I don't reenact, but I am thankful that some keep the history alive and make people aware of it.

  • @chrislauterbach8856
    @chrislauterbach8856 6 лет назад +4

    Nearly 5 years later... I am a amateur/hobbyist recorder of events and reenactments. So this video taken up on the firing line was really enjoyable. When/If you ever go to another battle reenactment, get in touch with one of the Yankees w/ a GoPro and get opposing clips shot and do a joint video with a back and forth.

  • @RH421939
    @RH421939 9 лет назад +9

    reminds me so much of 1998 there during the culps hill fight, but it was slightly raining then

  • @araregoodguy
    @araregoodguy 8 лет назад +16

    You can imagine how the rebel yells would have been intimidating for the other side when they don't have them in eyeshot.

    • @hamontequila1104
      @hamontequila1104 3 года назад +1

      I know and believe me every time I go to a reenactment I get really scared

  • @texanpatriotstrategy9135
    @texanpatriotstrategy9135 8 лет назад +30

    Can hear the Rebel yell 1:32

    • @sloanchampion85
      @sloanchampion85 8 лет назад +1

      love it

    • @isaacezekielthecolorblindg7343
      @isaacezekielthecolorblindg7343 5 лет назад

      TexanPatriot Strategy it kinda sounds like knights running over the field screaming when it’s far away but up close it sounds like a fox being raped by a coyote being raped by another fox

  • @jackguldenzopf6231
    @jackguldenzopf6231 9 лет назад +16

    Great video! I am going to a Reenactment on Sunday! I will hope that it is as good as this!

    • @jackguldenzopf6231
      @jackguldenzopf6231 9 лет назад

      Thank you!

    • @jackguldenzopf6231
      @jackguldenzopf6231 9 лет назад

      Richard D. Moore Oh also what is your gear for Reenacting? I am just starting and I am Union (Sorry I live in the North nothing I could do about that) any recommendations?

    • @applesauceman3555
      @applesauceman3555 9 лет назад

      Jack Guldenzopf i am also going to the reenactment Sunday!

    • @jackguldenzopf6231
      @jackguldenzopf6231 8 лет назад

      Will do!

  • @eatttheball
    @eatttheball 3 года назад

    love the way the gopro captures details, like the little power explosions coming out of the barrels, almost like sparks. very cool!

    • @aquarius5264
      @aquarius5264 3 года назад

      p o w e r e x p l o s i o n s

  • @scottberge6286
    @scottberge6286 4 года назад +3

    Great video. Can't wait to take part in these events. Always laugh when I see the one guy out of the group firing into the air.

    • @thathistoryguy3021
      @thathistoryguy3021 2 года назад +1

      We call 'em "duck hunters" and they annoy me too. lol. #D

  • @westtnskirmishlog6820
    @westtnskirmishlog6820 6 лет назад +1

    MAn this is the best POV footage Ive seen so jealous I hope I can get something half this good to put on my channel hope you post more soon sir, fantastic shot!!

  • @Arathor82
    @Arathor82 3 года назад +1

    These War of Rights graphics are sick !

  • @SuperSwagMaster99
    @SuperSwagMaster99 10 лет назад +3

    Dude this is the coolest civil war video ever!!!

  • @TheUncunningFox
    @TheUncunningFox 6 лет назад +1

    I love the flashes down to the right at 5:07 that volley at 7:44 is also sweet

  • @DixieYankee
    @DixieYankee 10 лет назад

    I was in the railroad cut earlier that day and after the battle I felt terrible. I stayed in camp and missed that engagement. Fortunately I felt better the next day and participated in the rest of the event. Still I heard Culp's hill was amazing. I wish I participated in it.

  • @josded
    @josded 7 лет назад +2

    +Richard D. Moore how did you mount and conceal your go pro?
    could you do a video on this? I rarely get good videos as I do not have many opportunities to pull my camera out. I dont want to be the one to ruin someone's immersion

  • @josephgonzales4802
    @josephgonzales4802 3 года назад

    Very good video. I'm sorry I missed this event even though my reenactment club attended it however I was able to attend the 150th Chickamauga event. 😊

  • @donalcasey3612
    @donalcasey3612 2 года назад +2

    As an irish man i say thank god for people like you guys who keep history alive the blue and gray forged a nation togeather so hoist on high the bonnie blue flag next to ole glory

  • @jedidls
    @jedidls 4 года назад +1

    Hey there, I'm a civil war reenactor and I've been wanting to do something like this for a while. How do you mount your camera onto your uniform? Any info is appreciated

  • @Sherriincali
    @Sherriincali 3 года назад +1

    This is why you don’t kneel for the national anthem. Everytime I go to Gettysburg I get the attitude adjustment I need.

  • @aarondivel1752
    @aarondivel1752 10 лет назад

    I got to see myself :) lol. I saw u with ur go pro and was wondering if youd get me. I was the brown jacket to ur right. Thank you for uploading this. Truely it was an event to remeber

  • @acdragonrider
    @acdragonrider 4 года назад +1

    I am making a documentary and was wondering if I may use this footage in it? I will credit you of course?

  • @TheHIV123
    @TheHIV123 10 лет назад

    Nice video, I was on the other side of that wall. Probably the best part of the weekend for us.

    • @TheHIV123
      @TheHIV123 10 лет назад

      Nah, 5th NH, we were just a bit farther down the line from where this video was shot. We were posted just to the right of the opening in the wall (your left).

  • @ssenn333
    @ssenn333 8 лет назад +2

    I would love to do something like this but I've looked all over the internet and can't seem to find any units.... Awesome video by the way!

    • @ssenn333
      @ssenn333 8 лет назад +1

      +Richard D. Moore Thank you sir

    • @tannercreighton44
      @tannercreighton44 7 лет назад

      civilwar-reenacting.com/reenactment-units scroll down and pick which state you live in

  • @sleepover7645
    @sleepover7645 2 года назад

    I do reenacting but how do you have the gopro on you because I want to get footage like this when I do reenacting

  • @hopatease1
    @hopatease1 5 лет назад +1

    My great grandfather sgt JG Smith of the 60th George was at Culp,s hill . Im the youngest of a youngest son and born in 1943 so its only a great grandfather I was to young to ask granma much about any thing other then that he was in the war .From records I found out he enlisted in late 61 was wounded at Fredericksburg and was paroled at Appomattox .He was only 13 when he joined so he probably had a 18 on a pice of paper in his shoe so he could say with out lying he was over 18 they did that on both sides .

  • @spooky8179
    @spooky8179 8 лет назад +1

    Saw my favorite regiment, 3rd AR

  • @reillyfake8947
    @reillyfake8947 4 года назад

    How do you wear your camera

  • @BailliOBuadhachain1
    @BailliOBuadhachain1 7 лет назад

    If you were going to purchase your own gear online what sites would you trust? keeping in mind that historical accuracy of the uniform is more important to me than price

    • @thecivilwarhistorian
      @thecivilwarhistorian 3 года назад

      So the places that sell really authentic stuff are rarely general suppliers (like most mainstream sutlers), so each place kind of specializes in one thing. Wambaugh, White, and Co. is a good place for uniforms.

  • @minnowpd
    @minnowpd 9 лет назад

    When are they going to do a reenactment of the "mud march"?

  • @turbosimp9171
    @turbosimp9171 9 лет назад +7

    Richard where did you get all of your gear? And what age is the young man that is usually in the front row? Im 15 and extremely intrested in reenacting. And how much did you pay for your gear?

    • @turbosimp9171
      @turbosimp9171 8 лет назад +1

      +Richard D. Moore I live in a town called Wise, Virginia. The Battle of Gladesville took place here.

    • @turbosimp9171
      @turbosimp9171 8 лет назад +1

      +Richard D. Moore I live in Wise, Virginia.

    • @BenBomb5
      @BenBomb5 8 лет назад +2

      +Xx Dropshot xX I believe the age limit for carrying a gun is usually 16. A uniform can cost you anywhere from 300 - 1000+ dollars depending on the quality. Usually units will loan you stuff before you get everything yourself. Gear can cost another 100-200 dollars, and a musket can usually be bought for around 500-1000 dollars depending on who you buy it from (I've seen some rifles for 300). It's a very expensive hobby, but it's a lot of fun!

    • @thomaseastmond8455
      @thomaseastmond8455 6 лет назад +2

      BenBomb5 There very relaxed on the rules (Well kind of depends on the group) I'm 14 and I'm allowed to carry a gun into battle.

    • @Lite.offical565
      @Lite.offical565 3 года назад

      Jaxon 78 hey I know that place near nortan and hi knob

  • @lifesjourney9801
    @lifesjourney9801 5 лет назад

    This is a good video. Makes me feel i am there in the real war. Thank you for doing this.

  • @wallygoodwin9461
    @wallygoodwin9461 6 лет назад

    what brand rifle are u using?

  • @Timotheus157
    @Timotheus157 6 лет назад +1

    The main problem was the rifle weapon. The slower the load and fire, the faster the death count. Lesson learned the hard way. At least this reenactment sheds light on the terror of this kind of fighting.

  • @destroyrebelscum7930
    @destroyrebelscum7930 10 лет назад

    Awesome!!!!!!!

  • @mikebarnett1007
    @mikebarnett1007 7 лет назад +1

    Seems more realistic than some I've see.Was impressed with the rate of fire also.I would love to do this at least once..

    • @rangisweetman3662
      @rangisweetman3662 6 лет назад

      Mike Barnett Nobody was watching them so they weren’t using their ram rods. That’s why the rate of fire is so quick. Usually when my unit has isolated sessions we still ram for the sake of authenticity but a few guys don’t.

  • @Thisnerdyguy
    @Thisnerdyguy 6 лет назад +2

    I was at this event lol. But since i was so tired from the battle before i was actually sleeping through the gun fie haha.

  • @GoDucks.2001
    @GoDucks.2001 11 лет назад +2

    I wish GAC could've put on an event like this. Too much standing around and burning powder.

  • @kennethp6010
    @kennethp6010 3 года назад

    bruh that rebel yell gives me the chills. I love it. im working on getting what I need to join a Confederate reenactment in Texas.

  • @Quadrenaro
    @Quadrenaro 5 лет назад +3

    Dang I miss the south some days.

  • @thurst6510
    @thurst6510 3 года назад +1

    Great reenactment

  • @rifleman17hmrshooter
    @rifleman17hmrshooter 7 лет назад

    around 4:15 the guy to your left reloads fast! it would be cool if you could add sound effects of bullets wizzing past you

  • @sirus976
    @sirus976 7 лет назад

    what where thay using when thay fire the muskets

    • @sethjames9984
      @sethjames9984 6 лет назад

      Super Nintendo man we just use blanks (powder)

  • @verynicemusic13
    @verynicemusic13 8 лет назад

    how was yur gopro mounted (did you try to hide it)

    • @pretzil2957
      @pretzil2957 8 лет назад +1

      Probably a little hole in his hat

  • @rockybushes
    @rockybushes 7 лет назад +2

    wow is this like, a remake of it?

  • @noahhenderson7485
    @noahhenderson7485 8 лет назад

    how do you join a reenactment

  • @JoshConnTV2
    @JoshConnTV2 8 лет назад

    Hi Richard,
    I am producing a documentary on Fort Heiman, a civil war fort in my area. I would love to use these films as b-roll in my documentary with your permission. Would you be okay with me using these clips in my production? It is a non-profit film as I am a television student. Thanks.

    • @JoshConnTV2
      @JoshConnTV2 8 лет назад

      +Richard D. Moore Thanks so much! I will be sure to include you in the credits and send you a link to the final production if I use the footage.

  • @GreenStranger
    @GreenStranger 10 лет назад

    what do the guns fire? like is it just the powder or is there something else in them?

    • @namreenactor1634
      @namreenactor1634 10 лет назад

      Just powder

    • @GreenStranger
      @GreenStranger 10 лет назад

      ***** oh ok thanks for the clarification.

    • @rednad2727
      @rednad2727 8 лет назад

      +Namreenactor1 incorrect, they use real guns, but they have blank cartridges

    • @namreenactor1634
      @namreenactor1634 8 лет назад

      Chancellor Palpatine That's exactly what I said, The cartridges fire black powder. There was never a dispute if the guns were real or not.

  • @timgreemgreen394
    @timgreemgreen394 8 лет назад

    how does one no if theyve been hit i mean r they told before hand to fall down ? there doesnt seem to be enough bodies lying around

    • @troy2286
      @troy2286 6 лет назад

      If I remember we were given unit assignments for eat senario and told how many casualties we had to take

  • @nickhannah8327
    @nickhannah8327 8 лет назад

    Hey what side you on? You a confed or a Union?

  • @prospectord8437
    @prospectord8437 4 года назад

    That's amazing

  • @daylenmiller7871
    @daylenmiller7871 6 лет назад

    what town in what state do these take place at?

    • @troy2286
      @troy2286 6 лет назад

      daylen miller This was the 150th gettysburg in 2013 on a site replicated to look like the battlefield near Gettysburg, PA

    • @ballparkburgers5799
      @ballparkburgers5799 5 лет назад

      Troy Is it like this every year (private battles) or was it just for 150th?

    • @thecivilwarhistorian
      @thecivilwarhistorian 3 года назад

      @@ballparkburgers5799 There has usually been (at least) 1 Gettysburg reenactment each year, but the organization that has hosted most of them for the past several decades (the GAC) announced last year that they would no longer be hosting the event. A number of organizations, individuals, and sites are stepping forward to host the event.

  • @majayu2009
    @majayu2009 9 лет назад

    what do they shoot?

  • @Fireinahorn
    @Fireinahorn 8 лет назад +1

    What brigade is this?

  • @tyrian_baal
    @tyrian_baal 3 года назад

    Why dont they use the ram rod

  • @slantsix6344
    @slantsix6344 7 лет назад

    Wouldn't uniforms among confederate regiments have a more similar appearance vs willy nilly? They come from the same comissary sources and were usually around the same time that uniforms are about to wear out.

    • @INTERNATIONAL_RDF-D
      @INTERNATIONAL_RDF-D 7 лет назад

      Slant Six no.
      Must confederate uniforms were custom tailored they would often line their jackets with material from a girlfriend or wife's dress
      Although most units had a specific color or arrangement required n i think most stated issued uniforms not sure.
      But a texas confederate had basically no standardization
      It was all self supplied
      The confederate government
      Didnt really outfit texas units
      Let alone arm them
      Texans bought a lot of their own weapons my great grandfather and uncle included
      Kennard caiphis ham
      Fought at the alamo and in the early years of the civil war with his son benjamin
      Kennard was givin jim bowies knife personally.
      Look him if you please
      Its rather interesting.

  • @jarydgabrieldorigdionisio8938
    @jarydgabrieldorigdionisio8938 7 лет назад

    I have one question, did the caplock gun had disadvantages? I'm planning to make a caplock gun from cardboard but I like it better when it has disadvantages.

  • @TunnelRatoscarmike
    @TunnelRatoscarmike 10 лет назад +2

    Only God knows what it would have been like if both GAC and BGA were combined.. Im pretty sure there would have been close to actual numbers..but no...just like in everything else politics gets in the way..I was there for both and I must say these events were exactly the opposite of one another. but both were so much fun and emotional.

  • @lg4360
    @lg4360 Год назад

    I wish these reenactments were preceded with a pep talk. These guys casually load their rifles, point, shoot then causally load them again. Reenactment means to reenact HOW these soldiers fought. Those young men were pumped with massive adrenaline, they would be loading their rifles as if their lives depended on it, not like they were out for a Sunday stroll. All of the effort getting the uniforms, the guns, the tents, so much logistics to do these reenactments and then the guys look like they are out for a day on the golf course rather than a frantic fight. Someone needs to lead these men and pump them up to do what those brave men did over 150 years ago on that sacred ground. Is that too much to expect?

  • @CharleyVCU1988
    @CharleyVCU1988 6 лет назад

    I didn't know they had GoPros back in the Civil War era, are you a time traveler? LOL

  • @williegumdrops
    @williegumdrops 6 лет назад

    Haha I see Russell in the beginning.

  • @Jubilo1
    @Jubilo1 11 лет назад

    Other than real casualties and exploding shells, it looks about as real as can be!

  • @benoxtoby3565
    @benoxtoby3565 8 лет назад

    so how would i hide a camera like a go pro and still be able to tape the whole battle while I'm in the reenactment

    • @pretzil2957
      @pretzil2957 8 лет назад +1

      A little hole in the hat

  • @gunthervinson
    @gunthervinson 9 лет назад

    VERY COOL GUYS!

  • @jad40
    @jad40 10 лет назад

    150th Gettysburg Reenactment

  • @GogsGamers
    @GogsGamers 8 лет назад +3

    Did anyone die?

    • @hamontequila1104
      @hamontequila1104 3 года назад

      You can spot one or two drop to the ground but not many

  • @stonesinmyblood27
    @stonesinmyblood27 Год назад

    All that gun smoke shows what the soldiers had to deal with

  • @dayofthedaleks1524
    @dayofthedaleks1524 4 года назад

    War of Rights 150 man line battles in 4k

  • @tanneranderson1774
    @tanneranderson1774 7 лет назад +1

    I'm a re enactor

  • @TunnelRatoscarmike
    @TunnelRatoscarmike 10 лет назад

    Oh one thing I must add.. why do people say.."over" there is no need for that, if the guy in the rear rank puts his musket where it should be then there is no need to say "over" as privates we must be quiet in the ranks!

  • @decanusseverus8773
    @decanusseverus8773 4 года назад

    I think I would just be struck with awe in this situation I mean look at all that smoke now remember guns used to produce 4 times that amount and every single shot was like a cannon itself

    • @aquarius5264
      @aquarius5264 3 года назад

      "guns used to produce 4 times that amount" you probably have mistaken this with smokeless powder. this is actually a pretty realistic amount of smoke also the kickback isn't even that much i've heard cause the black powder is slower burning than compared to smokeless powder which is more of a quick explosion

  • @tippmanproductions98
    @tippmanproductions98 5 лет назад

    I am a reenactor for 3 different wars now. Revolutionary war, Civil War, and WW2. Where could i put a gopro with out it being noticeable

  • @nerdpotato9248
    @nerdpotato9248 8 лет назад

    do u use real guns or fakes they look so real and btw how do u know when you've bee hit

    • @casperrrrrrrr
      @casperrrrrrrr 8 лет назад

      they are fake of course and you know when you have been hit by just guessing

    • @sloanchampion85
      @sloanchampion85 8 лет назад +1

      these guns are very real they're just using blank catridges,I use an original 69 caliber musket myself but with blank catridges

    • @carolusrex8488
      @carolusrex8488 8 лет назад

      he means original from the age

    • @lloydkirk4710
      @lloydkirk4710 7 лет назад

      really. really. real I shot one with a lead ball and it flew through my couch along with my cabinets

    • @sloanchampion85
      @sloanchampion85 7 лет назад +1

      tomoki scott yeah that'll happen if you load a weapon and fire it in your house

  • @shekelman9336
    @shekelman9336 6 лет назад

    How does one know if they're hit to play dead?

    • @thecivilwarhistorian
      @thecivilwarhistorian 3 года назад

      Usually if you run out of ammo or know that your side took a lot of casualties during this battle, you go down.

  • @jessewhitstine3785
    @jessewhitstine3785 6 лет назад

    My Lord ...It's good and all but them boys need to learn how to Keep in Rank and File.

  • @xanshen9011
    @xanshen9011 7 лет назад

    Do muskets not have recoil? Because it seems like if I fire it once, I'll go flying 50 feet back.

  • @dayofthedaleks1523
    @dayofthedaleks1523 4 года назад

    war of rights with 4k graphics

  • @vecilove3927
    @vecilove3927 5 лет назад

    I wish they would do this but with airsoft

  • @jacobdawson8264
    @jacobdawson8264 5 лет назад

    No ones dying

    • @lifesjourney9801
      @lifesjourney9801 5 лет назад

      Jacob Dawson Hahaha cause its just like a game. You dont need to die cause everyone knows soldiers die in the real civil war 🙂

  • @sethmccane7201
    @sethmccane7201 8 лет назад

    u should put a gopro on ure fun

  • @tropicaldoodad
    @tropicaldoodad 5 лет назад

    I like this a whole lot but I keep asking myself in this relentless opposing fire, where are the casualties. Not every guy is going make it up that hill, right?

  • @williamchristopher1560
    @williamchristopher1560 7 лет назад

    I can see where they could put up a few drones with cameras to be viewed and moved by judges to view the ongoing battle. That with some kind of sound recorder, they could tell which army was firing the most.
    The army firing the most would/should carry the field. The judges could see what each commander was doing. If the commanders wernt moving their men with the best strategy, a judge could send in a couriour with a message to the commander s that they were about to be surrounded and must retire.They could also send in a courour telling a commander that the other side was firing more than they were, and they must retreat.This, I think, would cause commanders to THINK about their strategy, and try to honestly gain a victory, OR know that the were defeated.Yes, I know that for 50yrs+ that they the commanders play it to where one side wins a victory regardless of their size or strategy, the next battle or next day, the other side wins, regardless of strategy or firepower. I think that this would put more realism in the battles.I think the individual commanders would, the night before the battle confer with their commands to gain the best strategy possible, and that those in charge of individual commands would know that there is a purpose in what there expected to do.I think the individual s in the ranks would know that theres a REAL reason there being put here or there, Being marched and then remarched, and maybe that on the run. I think that they would know that there fire power was being recorded and that they must pour it into them by the bucketsful to hopfully gain the victory

  • @isaacezekielthecolorblindg7343
    @isaacezekielthecolorblindg7343 5 лет назад

    I don’t understand how War of Rights looks better then this even tho it’s real I’m so confused 🤷‍♂️ maybe it’s because it’s not in the eyes of the soldier it’s on a GoPro that’s not on your head so it looks kinda wonky when you hold your gun yup to aim

  • @brianan7179
    @brianan7179 7 лет назад +1

    I think their are confederates. Is that right?

  • @sethwilson7367
    @sethwilson7367 9 лет назад

    that volly sucks hahaha

  • @dancurry1623
    @dancurry1623 8 лет назад

    No one took hits

  • @kevindecoteau3186
    @kevindecoteau3186 Год назад

    language

  • @gr8sl8m8
    @gr8sl8m8 8 лет назад

    just a bunch of blank shooting and yelling wile strolling through the woods... ware is the carnage? go play airsoft... this is lame.

    • @gr8sl8m8
      @gr8sl8m8 8 лет назад +1

      Richard D. Moore that would be more fun... well i mean more realistic.. lol