Glenn Tipton FIRES BACK at K.K. Downing, "I did a lot of editing to make his lead breaks worthwhile"
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In a new interview with Guitar World, Judas Priest guitarist fires back at K.K. Downing.
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Kk makes a lot of sense on his point that whenever the other dudes wanted a break or out for a bit he never shunned them the way they have him. A major pillar
It’s sad to see their relationship as musicians and friends completely destroyed after all these years,there’s no respect anymore.
Very sad indeed I always liked both of them K.K and Tipton I don't make difference. Best guitar duos
YOU'RE SO RIGHT!!!!!
I agree, it is sad to hear. But like any relationship where people are together for as long as they have been together, naturally things are not always going to blissful. And the dirt or hard feelings and jealously or whatever is going on in the band relationship is going to be buried until something like this happens and then it's all out in the open. Hopefully, with all this banter going on they work it out and move on. Those two are bookends and IMO are one of the best twin guitar duo's in metal. If you think about it, Metallica showed us just how human our metal gods are with their behind the scene video.
Especially because of Tipton's illness. You think KK would show support for Glenn, or want to just be friends with him. I dunno, maybe it's not that way with larger bands but I consider my bandmates good friends and family outside of band practice.
@@parkermcintyre877 Yep 👍🏼
I do agree with your opinion completely,I like KK very much and his attitude towards Glenn showing no empathy is very disappointing but I truly believe this animosity between them will comes to an end end someday .
The way Tipton reinvented his playing going into 'Painkiller' was incredible. Very inspiring. Great player!
Probably Priest's heaviest song to this day , i think Rob wanted to go into a heavier direction. But the other guys didn't , because his solo stuff was along the same lines as painkiller. I remember seeing him tour solo , for his first album with the song "Into the Pit" , that was a pretty heavy album. More in line with Pantera stuff!
Not just tipton.
KK too.
Quite all of them in fact .
@@mikeg.9238 Hmmm Nah.
The direction was the same, beign heavier.
And Jugulator was darker and heavier than Painkiller
@@Nissardpertugiu Wasn't that great of an album IMO!
Tripton truly evolved and improved as a player and song writer.
Don’t know what Glenn’s level of sobriety on stage is, but every time I’ve seen them he is fantastic. KK too. Point is, idc what he did on stage, his playing was always spot on.
Same here. Seen them several times,a few front row,and they both were amazing.
Ridiculous bitterness from KK and a low blow against Tipton, who always delivered the goods.🤘
So sad, it had to end up like this.😔
Kinda agree, watched about 6 times, got better each time. But, would it be so bad to play together?
@@jerseyforhawks What difference would it make if KK came back ?
I prefer to see my heroes in Judas Priest work in a happy situation with peace and harmony.
They don't need the negativity that comes with KK.
KK made it hard for himself when he started to throw bullshit at his old bandmates.
They found a good replacement in Faulkner.🤘
No need to change that.
And i think KK's Priest is doing great.
Damn right KK's leads are actually a lot of times better live than they were on the album. This is total bullshit.
It's not Judas Priest without KK Downing or Glenn Tipton.
I grew up on Judas Priest. This shit is breaking my heart.
Yes, I'm sure that over the course of their 40+ year history together, Glenn had to construct every guitar solo for Ken in the studio....What a bunch of complete and utter bullshit. Just like Mustaine saying he sang or hummed solos to Marty Friedman, which was insinuated to mean that Marty Friedman couldn't come up with a memorable solo on his own, SMH. These guys are acting like spoiled brats, who can't get along in the sand box. I see a lot of folks taking the band's side, acting as though K.K. is just a clown with no relevance, they're completely happy with the band as is, and blah, blah, blah. What has happened to the minds of the people ??? K.K. and Glenn are LEGENDARY together. Along with Tony Iommi, they are up near the top, in regards to the creation of heavy metal music as we know it. K.K. is still alive. Glenn is still alive. Richie Faulkner is willing to play with K.K. ...... This is just so beyond childish and stupid. And, I've seen too many comments from people who have been witness to Glenn's alcohol consumption, for it to be all lies. There's fault on all sides here. Not just K.K. He made a mistake, leaving the way he did. But, they're all still breathing, and they need to fix this for the fans, PERIOD.
So basically when KK said Glenn was a control freak he was…..correct?
Or, KK's solos were so shite that they had to be edited together to get something worthwhile out of the takes.
@@garfinn4555 Riiiiiiight. Lol
@@garfinn4555 But then again, Glenn may have messed up some good solo's (of KK's) on purpose because he was, 1) a control freak and, 2) down deep he was jealous. Glenn wrote more and played more solo's, but, KK always had the single best solo on all of thier classic albums ( DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR, and BLOOD STONE for example)
Lol.
@@andyhayes7828 Glenn jealous of KK?! You can't be serious! LOL!
It’s like watching your parents fight lol this sucks….
I was introduced to Metal thanks to Judas Priest. I love them dearly and they are one of my favourite bands ever. It pains me to see them fighting like this
Kk proves his solos are worth while on his new album
Glenn is my favorite guitarist but what he and KK had together was magic. They made the Priest sound together. Hate to see them sniping each other and hope they can come to terms before it’s too late.
My first time seeing Priest live was on the Vengeance tour…then saw them 3 times on the Defenders tour,and so on and so forth…They were amazing every single time….Everybody was drinking and smoking and snorting all thru the 80’s,but I never thought that ANY member of Priest was fucked up onstage….I was even at the Turbo show,and it happened to be Rob Halfords Birthday….Biloxi Mississippi,and they were all in top form….Sad when your heroes start squabbling at the end of their careers….especially a monstrous career that Judas Priest have maintained…
That’s awesome bud…You saw Halford I’m his prime …I agree these two sound stupid!!!!
@@shawnboogz7546 yeah,after seeing them in 82,I was hooked…I followed them all over…saw the Defenders tour 3 times,and Turbo twice….nobody could touch them back then…Halford could shake the building with that voice….
@@scottpeters4401 I agree…he is a legend..I loved him in Fight as well…I always thought unleashed in the East captured his vocals so well…
@@shawnboogz7546 unleashed did capture his vocals….Halford at the peak of his powers was something to behold….that’s why I hate for the end stage of their careers to be marred by squabbling and in fighting…..maybe they will resolve their differences…
@@scottpeters4401 They got too…they are old man…the money will bring them back…King Diamond is another one..he still sounds amazing
I’ve seen Glenn play several times live. He was always on point. He is a very underrated guitarist. His parts are sophisticated and couldn’t be played by someone drunk. He probably had a couple of beers 🍺 to loosen up before a show, but that’s what rock n roll is all about.
While we'll never know, if those solos really were pieced together, KK did an excellent job in replicating them live. Which honestly makes me doubt that claim slightly.
Live and studio playing are very different beasts. Both Glen and KK were stellar at both but maybe he means they composed his solos in studio by having play a lot of stuff cut out the best pieces and organized them to create the final solo all of which he clearly was capable of playing because he already laid it down.
@@bloodlinefilms well Listen KK when Glenn wasn't in the band yet , even on Whiskey woman demo.
The 2 guitars was something improving but thoses early recording proove KK didn't discovered dexterity with Glenn.
He was more free , then
Both songwriting and Solos.
Then in a certain period, you see his time more cut and cut and Glenn more and more.
Glenn is great but he s another Bossy ego lead syndrome like some lead guitarist tend to become.
I had the same in previous band.
90% of Scott travis drum parts are replicating the drum machine Glenn did on demos.
Andy Sneap even told that for Firepower process.
Glenn can say " its 5 guys " but for a long time inside he thinks hes God ( in another sense than beign a god in his art category ).
Guillaume Joan Pépin Viano oh believe me i know i love Priest. Im just saying my interpretation of that comment is basically something you just said. I think glen would micromanage kks leads. A function of that would be sitting down with him and dictating the arrangement
I saw them three times. Glen always played nearly all the solos.
they're 100% edited. Listen to the isolated guitar tracks on youtube and you can hear lots of hard breaks where they stopped and started. This is common practice in metal.
KK should be allowed back in the band. That is what the fans want.
Yup, Just Like The Fans Wanted Halford Back. I Actually Liked "Ripper" Owens In The Band And I've Been A Fan Of Priest Since Late 70's.
No. We don’t.
I read an interview with Nicko McBrain approx. one week ago where Nice said a beautiful thing. He said he respects fans of Iron Maiden but do not like it when they try to tell the band what to do or what to record and this is the way it should be. Let them be and do what they want. They are not our servants. The servants of fans. They CAN care about fans feelings, but they DON'T HAVE TO. I am lil bit shocked when I read many comments kinda: "I am not fan of Judas Priest (or Iron Maiden for that matter) anymore, they should retire....they lost it I am done with them" This is not the way a loyal fan behaves if he is not satisfied with some changes. Just my opinion try to change it.
Why don't they talk to each other and not the media?...they've known each other for 45 - 50 years
Priest without Tipton and Downing is NOT Priest. It s like AC/DC without Angus. This kind of "bashing each other". A waste of time in my opinion. Judas Priest is history. Great Metal History!
Woudn’t it be like AC/DC without Angus and Malcom? Curious on your thoughts if AC/DC are still AC/DC or not.
I always loved Glen's shredding but he was only technically superior. K.K. was the definition of the words "heavy metal guitar god" , not just his emotional style of playing but his look as well. Listen to or watch Priest do Sinner, it's one of the greatest solos ever laid down.
I never aspired to be the shredding lead player in a guitar duo, but rather wanted to be the foundational rhythm guitarist, laying down riffs and dramatic chords. KK, Rudolf Schenker and Mal Young were absolute idols. He was as important to Priest as those other two were to their bands, and Glen & co. need to man up and admit it! And yeah you're right, his lead playing was powerfully emotive.
I am definitely Team KK. KKs Priest are the new Metal Gods, Ripper just needs to work on his lyrics.Halford should have stayed in Fight. I wish Satchel would resurrect that band, even with a new singer.🤘
K.K. absolutely demolishes Glenn in the guitar soloing department in the following songs: Rapid Fire, Desert Plains, Jawbreaker, Between The Hammer And The Anvil and Judas Rising.
Priest will always out sell K.K. ‘S cover band. Give me a break. Have y’all heard Firepower? It’s better than anything KK has done lately. I can’t wait for the new album because it’s gonna be just as good, if not better.
You cruise you lose! If he’s so happy with his new band, why cause trouble? I loved KK but he’s just bitter and everyone knows it.
@@auburnman6969 nah, Halfords can't sing like he did. Sure with the help of pro- tools he sounds amazing, but Ripper can out -scream him any day. Plus album sales don't a robe shit, even Def Leppard out sold Firepower. You might as well be a fucking poser. What a joke!
I like KK..read his book!
Judas Priest has been in my top 3 of favorite bands since I was a teen. Right up there with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. I read KK's book and Rob's book. A shame things happen in bands sometimes, but it's human nature in any setting probably when you're with the same people, day in, day out, for years. It would be awesome if KK could reunite for their 50th anniversary tour with Richie and Andy on guitar, with special appearances of Glenn when his health permits. But if it doesn't happen, we STILL have their music to enjoy. I still listen to Zeppelin and Sabbath. Music is like literature...immortal.😎
Check out the last Victim of Changes video (Hard Rock at the Seminole)....the last tour with KK.....his solo absolutely shreds....all the respect to Ritchie but there's only one KK Downing 🤘
Can’t find that show???
That solo alone tells you why KK is indispensable to the Priest sound.
Let me guess...whammy wankery and notes with long delay and the usual 3 note fast run?
Yep totally shreds
Two great musicians, pillars of The Priest. It makes me very sad to see them fighting and criticizing each other.
How can this happen between people who shared so many years together touring, giving concerts, recording, creating music? Incredible.
There manager was the main issue
Whatever Glenn says, I’m still firmly on Ken’s side… Richie’s a great guitarist but KK is the only one who can truly do those classic JP riffs justice.
KK is one of the 2 original founders of this band. Nothing further needs to be said.
@@jackb348 Yeah and KK decided to quit.
Stand your ground and shut the fuck up.🤘
Case closed.
The only problem with KK taking a break from the band, retiring or whatever, he burned his bridges.
@@christervainio ok then any band that has retired then came back needs to not come back. 🤷
@@mitchcarson6309 Are you stoned ?
This isn't about a band quitting.
It's about a guitarplayer quitting and then regrets it.
But he's too proud to admit it.
And when his former bandmates doesn't beg him to come back, he starts to backstab them all with ridiculous bullshit.
It's so lame behaviour on KK's part.😔👎
Glenn Tipton always raised the bar as guitar trends changed over the years. He was great in the 70s, but got flashier in the 80s, and by the Ripper-era some of his solos were in Paul Gilbert shred territory. Very similar to George Lynch in meeting the challenge as new, younger players came along, instead of resting on their considerable laurels.
Yeah. Glenn was listening to Paul & other guys at that time. When Painkiller came out. KK has his style too. The whammy bar. Hendrix like. It was the combo! Now Richie plays glenns & KK' s stuff. They put Sinner back in. That is KK' s piece. Good but not like when KK did it. It was basically Glenn, the co manager and Rob against KK so he wanted to leave. Now hr regrets it!
Glenn is one of the best guitarists in metal history, no question. He's easily top 3 for me.
I'd rather see KKs Priest over JP.
Anyone else finding this utterly heartbreaking and just want them to work together again one last time be it in the studio or a shorter live setting?
Let Richie and Andy join them for a few tracks, make it a Priest four-pronged!
Yes.
This is really sad. I've always loved priest. I hate the see them saying these cruel things about each other. This was one band I thought would stick together till the end.
I personally like Glenn Tipton's soloing over K.K Downing's. The way Glenn Tipton Rakes the stings while string skipping at the same time is one of a kind. Nobody else does it or even tries to because its so original and takes decades of all day playing to do what he was doing. His use of Harmonics and the Whammy Bar is pretty untouchable. Glenn Tipton and Dimebag Darrell have the best technique when it comes to harmonics and the Whammy Bar imo. Glenn Tiptons graceful and technical solos are awesome and makes him one of Heavy Metals Best Guitarist ever.
I think Tipton was the better "songwriting soloist" in that his solos grounded the songs, however, I think KK's gave the songs more soul and energy a lot of times as Tipton's were a little too *on wheels* whereas KK went off road. It's this combination that I think made the band work so well...it was the best of both worlds which created that desired "+1" that most bands never achieve.
This kind of thing saddens me. As a kid growing up in the 80's, from the music videos I watched I always thought the chemistry between KK and Glenn was palpably positive. I thought they must have been the best of friends. But as much as KK has always been my favourite member of Priest, he really should have been keeping his mouth shut, both in his book and literally. I read his book and while it was quite good, I winced at some of the things he wrote about his former bandmates. He certainly could have been more professional about it.
Glenn had every right to respond the way he has, and he has been a gentleman throughout it all.
I'm just sad about the whole situation.
But literally everything Glenn talked about was irrelevant to what KK said KK was tired of Glenn and Rob leading the band like a dictatorship, so in a way KK kind of had the right to call them out on their shit but the same time he expressed that he didn't want that email or anything to be sent out it just did after he was already about to agree to do the Epitaph tour with them
@@JudasPriest82 From what I've read and observed, KK is the kind of guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. Thoughts form in his head and come out his mouth in words before he has time to put the breaks on it. While that kind of honesty can be refreshing (and entertaining) I can see why maybe it would start to wear thin after 20-30 years. Rob even mentions in his book that KKs constant meltdowns on tour were starting to get on everyone's nerves.
Either way, it's a regrettable situation all around. I really wish they'd bury the hatchet, because IMO KK belongs in Priest. In order for the to happen, though, both sides would have to swallow their pride and at this stage of the game, I don't see that happening.
ugh. i can stand why they don't want k.k back in the band. The guy grew an ego at old age. it truly turns the stomache. I really admire kens chops and playing over the years. but he truly sunk himself to a whole other level.
Love this wish they were back together 100,%
They needed each other to truly be Priest of Legend!
Get back TOGETHER, for us!
Glenn’s solo albums weren’t that good.
Understatement of the year.
First not bad..
@@epaminondasmichelini9288 Get your ears checked.
I expected a lot more considering the musicians on the first solo album. However, The vocals really kept me from listening to it.
Yes unfortunatelly Glens album was so so. KK Priest is amazing amd solo if KK on Sermons are very good. I love Glen and love KK but I have yo admit KK alone do much better job then JP without him
Truly wish these guys would just patch it up, regardless of whether K.K. is invited back. As for K.K.'s solos needing a lot of editing by someone else, well, you'd never know it by listening to Sermons of the Sinner. Tipton's a monster player, no question, but K.K. I think has never gotten his due as a guitar player.
I love Priest and I love K.K. What K.K. said in his book is what all this lead too. K.K. left, and then said disparaging things about Glenn in his book. Simple. He didn’t respect the brotherhood. I can understand why he wasn’t asked to rejoin.
Yes, exactly. KK crossed a line that never should have been crossed. That's why the band has basically disassociated itself from KK for life.
When Glenn took decisions over the band management wise , When Glenn limit KK time on solo / songwriting, when Glenn limits Holland on his true abilities " From.Trapeze " along management stuff, Is that your conception of brotherhood ?
Dude, what are you talking about? Glenn retired (and KK wasn't asked to rejoin) BEFORE KK's book came out. Can't you just google it?
@Nikined18 I’m referring to when KK. left in 2010.
@@peteblanken4809 I'm sorry, but you referred to KK's book. "K.K. left, and then said disparaging things about Glenn in HIS BOOK" "What K.K. said in HIS BOOK". The book came out in 2018, not in 2010. Before the denial to return to the band in February, 2018 KK was silent, if I'm not mistaken, for example this not good accusation of having beer onstage came out in September, 2018. Don't confuse the cause and the consequence. The "brothers" closed the door back right after his departure, probably
I adore KK’s style of playing. Wildman. Glen can perhaps be the better player technically but KK’s passion does it for me.
Just watched KK live. His soloing live seemed just fine to me. Watched JP live both in person and on video more times than I can remember. Sometimes, long ago KK would go out of tune after one of his massive whammy dive bombs… but he corrected quickly, retuned and was off again. Not a playing issue, more of a Gibson issue. KK had a very different style to Glenn. Love them both. Glenn probably does have the edge on tekkers. But KK has some real old school metal chops.
Fans want KK back. Like yesterday. These guys need to stop arguing like bored hair dressers. Ritchie and KK would be great together.
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I think everyone of them are right…too bad they can’t stop citing like children……love to see them all on stage
So fucking petty. I love Glenn but he needs to show some class. KK never insinuated he was the driving force of the band. Having drinks onstage is NOT something a band should be doing, especially Judas Priest, a well oiled machine known for their tight performance. The band is so butthurt over KKs book, which is pretty damn tame. KK said Glenn was a control freak and its not very bright of him to admit that he edited KKs solos. Glenn did a good job of proving KK right.
Agreed people don't realize KK went for years without saying anything about the band, he only started talking when it became clear they were never going to let him back in. And what he did say after that wasn't even bad or controversial he was just being honest.
As much as I love KK. Why is he surprised they never asked him to rejoin Priest. I mean he left right when the Epitaph tour was going to start. He never changed his mind when they asked him time and time to reconsider. Also what’s wrong with having drinks onstage. Its a heavy metal show not an orchestra. It’s not like Glenn was plastered on stage and even if he was, his playing was spot on. Plus it took years for Glenn to finally respond to KK who repeatedly bashed him and insinuating that Glenn didn’t really played on Firepower and saying he never liked him after 1985 which is just ridiculous. I wish this feud would stop and they reunite one last time. They need to get their shit together.
Glenn was probably a better lead player, but that whole "Lightning bolt shape" guitar era was stupid....KK always kept it real, Strats and Flying V's...
Glen Tipton is the best Guitar Player I've heard for many years and Judas Priest are my favourite band of all time. God Bless Glen keep the faith
This should only be leading up to the most monster fuckin' guitar duel in History!!!
Sounds like Kerry King when he took a shot at Jeff Hanneman... I don't believe Tipton when he says he had to edit anything with K.K. Downing. Just listen to K.K.'s Priest .
What did Kerry say?
@@gerardspringer8576 it's on an interview I saw here on RUclips when they asked Kerry if they were worried about a difference in guitar sounds on Repentless with Gary Holt , he said he came up with Jeff's solos for years , which I don't believe
@@trurobertson well the similarity is Kerry pushed Slayer more. I guess Glenn pushed Priest more a bit at times. Jeff was on Heroin. On & off for like 4 yrs. Diabolious era.I know Kerry might of played a few of Jeff' s solos. He wld play thru Jeff' s rig and everything. I guess Glenn might of comped together some of KK' s parts
@@trurobertson Gary played some of the stuff for Slayer thru Jeff' s rig. Different gtrs too. Than his Exodus rig
Glenn is the riff master and the king of controlled, structured catchy leads. He makes melodies on his guitar. Not a knock on K.K., but his leads are not nearly as tuneful as Glenn's. They sounded alright with Glenn playing those foot tapping rhythms underneath.
In my knowledge KK is the heavier of the 2.
And the more " disturbing / abstract " but he master similar techniques than Glenn.
On the riffs, KK is more interesting to me.
Its much more gutty than Glenn was coming up with.
Glenn is great , but he is more " in the rules ", softer.
@@Nissardpertugiu -- Nah, K.K. is more of a wild, free form type of player, sort of like Hendrix. Lots of notes, but no particular sequence. Glenn knows how to put the notes in the right order in that head nodding type of way. Once again, not a knock on K.k., he's just not Glenn.
KK never said he was the sole driving force of Judas Priest. On the other hand, Tipton, Halford and Hill are treating KK like he was just a hired hand. Im with KK on this one. Tipton is just trying to justify their mistreatment of KK Downing. When he said he provided the songs, he meant that he contributed to Judas Priest's catalog and Ian Hill didn't. It's obvious that that wasnt directed towards glenn or rob.
To suggest that your bassist of decades just showed up with no creative input jus proves how much of an arrogant piece of shit kk is
Kk needs to take his old miserable ass to the nursing home and shit the fuck up
Sad to see these dudes Duking it out. Hands Down the best early 80’s band. Tied w Scorps
I love all these guys. Peace brothers please
As a dual guitar attack these guys were a force to be reckoned with and that's the only way I will ever remember them. I don't put much stock into the behind the scenes he said she said drama that went on in any musical outfit since many of them famous for also being under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
Absolute BS. K.K. was very instrumental with Priest. I think these guys need to break bread and get this tour on with all three guitarists!
To be honest no disrespect to Faulkner . But if Glenn was well Faulkner shouldn't even be in the band . Glenn and KK will always be the only 2 real Priest guitarist . After all they are the one's who made all the classic tracks , together .
I Hate To See K.K. And Priest Like This.
I've read Rob's book. I've read KK's book. Both highlight and relate to Glen and you can draw your comparisons to Glen from both books. What kind of a man he is/was and certainly both speak very positively about him as a metal master. But now we need Glen's book to conclude.
For many years I had the very clear notion that Glen was a significantly better guitarist than KK, but once Painkiller came out I had to admit that KK seriously upped his game and modernized his chops and style. KK deserves kudos for not resting on his laurels.
I do wish that these guys would refrain from talking smack about each other, but then they engaged in some of the same garbage when Halford left for a bit. When former bandmates compete with one another in the media, either out of their own bad judgment or because managers and record labels put them up to it....That is the sad corner of the music business.
As to 'editing' solos, that can mean anything or not matter much at all. It was very common from the mid-70s to mid-80s to take several passes at a solo and then slice and splice licks from multiple tracks into a single solo. Even David Lee Roth related that Eddie sometimes would get frustrated trying to perform solos from VH recordings live because he would have to make unnatural leaps all over the guitar neck that he had not physically done in the studio, so not all great solos are 'natural' single takes of inspiration.
Furthermore, the reality that such practices took place during that era are not strictly issues of a guitarist being deficient as a player but reflect that recording technology improved dramatically during those years and as with any novel inventions those musicians who were so inclined to experiment and test limits simply indulged in that as a way of stretching themselves and their art.
Shame on anything KK may have said (I haven't been following the drama), but also shame on Glen for trying to make an issue out of something that in all likelihood is mundane and was par for the course back in those days.
Actually KK had incorporated speed techniques like sweep picking into his playing since the early 80s. It wasn't until Painkiller that Glenn picked it up as well, and there is a ton of sweep picking on that album.
I should correct that. It was probably mid-80s. It is curious though how KK was a notably faster player than Tipton before Killing Machine, but eventually Glenn did surpass him at speed techniques I think.
@@williamwalker146 Bearing than mind that "better" is mostly just a matter of individual taste when it comes to music and other arts, for my sense Tipton was always my favorite of the duo. My thoughts above are reflection of the fact that KK did put in a significant effort to modernize his style in that period that (to my perception) became very noticeable on the Painkiller LP.
Even though I still favor Glenn's playing, I believe strongly that anyone who works to improve themselves at whatever they do in life be it in a vocation or a hobby should be recognized for their efforts and achievements.
That you see something similar, but in reverse, speaks to the subjectivity of the listener....Perhaps being more inclined towards Glenn, I may not have listened as closely to KK in the years immediately prior to Painkiller, and as a consequence I did not become aware of the work he had been putting in until the result had become too obvious to ignore.
@@vincentgarzoli3197 I in no way disagree about the subjectivity of it all. I should clarify however that I do not have a favorite between the two. I enjoyed equally the different style that each portrayed in the band.
@@williamwalker146 That's cool.
It's all about the cochlea, man!!!
Sadly, I seriously doubt we will ever see the old line up back together. The reason: TIME. The clock is ticking loud for this band, and soon we will see others depart. The R&R Hall of Fame performance {if there is one} will probably be the last time we see them all together on the same stage. Time waits for no one, not even JP.
Have you heard KK's new album ? It is really amazing ! Seriously. Both KK and Glenn Tipton are both 2 of the All Time Greatest Metal players ever ! They need to quit hating and remain friends no matter what
Too late.
I like KKs playing now but the lyrics to his songs are just too silly for me to take serious!
KK had valid points ,Glenn was sleeping with the bands manager Jayne andrews and started drinking steadily during shows . Saw him staggering through sf airport coming off a red eye at seven am with some blonde metal groupie. Both were staggering I’d met him twice before didn’t even bother to try to communicate with him. It’s sad how things turned out even sadder is Glenn’s health.
This was my favorite band since some time in the mid 70's when i heard the LP Sad wings Of Destiny. I have seen them many times in the ealry days. Late 70's with ACDC in a theatre and UFO also on the bill. what a how. ACDC first USA headlining tour.After all these guys have been thru together you would think they would just enjoy rewards together and have some damn fun.
Classic Priest from the '70s was the best. Remember the UFO and JP show 🤘🏻🍻
Point of entry tour at the swing auditorium kicked ass.
Point of entry is so underrated. I love that album & tour
No way! That was my first Priest show. Opening with "Solar Angels" was f'ing epic.
@@GrampsD63 Not much later the Swing Auditorium was gone.
@@allendoughty5206 A plane crashed into it yeah?
@@GrampsD63 yes...very sad day. Then they had shows at the Orange Pavillion. Catch any of those shows? There were some good ones, iron maiden, def leopard when Willis was still in the band, who must have been wasted, his solos were unintelligible. Ufo, black foot, Aldo nova even blew the roof off one night, bad ass guitarist.
I hope all these guys find a way to stop back biting each other and even if they never play together again, I hope they can find a way to be friends again. Hopefully they will be inducted into the RRHOF one year soon and we’ll all be blessed to hear that twin guitar attack again that we’ve all been praying would have happened by now. The truth and the real cause of the problems lies somewhere in the middle of all the stuff we’ve heard about from all sides. I hope the guys can all find a way to check the well earned egos just long enough to really listen to each other and maybe even offer an apology from their hearts, even if they aren’t wrong on any one particular issue. Life’s short guys. Thank god Richie came along or else Priest wouldn’t even be relevant at all since KK left.
"Three sides to every story
there's your side
there's my side
and then there's the truth!"
"he comes along with his bass guitar"
funniest line
Glen is my #1 in the goat convo, it makes me sad they are feuding after all those years!
Led Zeppelin Recorded 108 songs. 26 were covers, That's 82 original songs
KK Downing wrote 136 songs..
He was the one who hired "Glen Tipton" to join Judas Priest..
It was the best decision that he's ever made in his entire career.
Business Worldwide reported, “The acquisition covers Tipton's songwriting catalog of almost 200 songs as a member of Judas Priest, beginning with the album Sin After Sin and continuing through to the band's last studio album, Firepower, released in 2018.”
Both are amazing song writers. Judas Priest, had the best guitar duo, in all of Metal's history. But you would think that they would welcome KK Downing back with open arms.
But there must have been one hell of a blowup for Ken, to leave the band. He dedicated his entire life to the band. I love them both. It's sad they can't get along.
As I have been a major fan since '78 and they are my favorite band, IMO KK's major issue was with the JP mgmnt team. It's well known that Glenn has a very close relationship with JP mgmnt. It's also IMO that mgmnt and Glenn were the driving force to change gears with Turbo. They, though very well established as probably the most proficient metal band at the time, wanted a piece of the pie that was the huge commercial success that many metal bands (hair bands mainly) were having throughout the mid-late 80's. Sure they were headliner's, lots of sellouts everywhere and their albums were usually 1 or 2x platinum. IMO they deserved those 5-10x platinum albums since they were the band that created and paved the way for 99% of those that followed. I dont think that the Turbo direction was welcomed with open arms from KK and Rob so much as it was with Glenn. They made another attempt with Ram It Down but it did not happen, so they well back to square one and put out the masterpiece that is Painkiller!! Rob left in 91 and thus there was a hiatus until Ripper came along. To me it's hard to judge the whole vibe in the band during Ripper's time and IMO he fit in and did a great job!! So hopefully they get the HOF nod on their 3rd try and some olive branches can grow and perhaps cooler heads will prevail....who knows maybe even a reunion tour of sorts!!
Saw Priest many times back in the day.. Glenn was always awesome..
No matter what anybody says, Ian Hill IS the band. He Wrote all the songs, played all the guitarsolos and also secretly was the singer all along! Somebody told me Ian Hill played the drums as well but I take that with a grain of salt...
Lmao. You must be drinking from the same tap as Glenn 😂
@@calebsmith6986 you mean Ian didn't write all the songs and played the guitarsolos? 😀
KK’s PRIEST IS WHERE IT’s AT NOW! Kk & Ripper
Here's the thing Glenn, we have heard KK shredding and going nuts live and that was not edited, it was awesome! He's still rocking it out with KK'S Priest and Sermons of the Sinner is badass, and I don't here you on it. I liked Judas Priest Firepower but it was no Sermons of the Sinner, and are you even playing for Judas Priest now?
I too am skepticle about Tipton's claims of editing to make KK's solos work. Maybe that happend in rough demos as the songs were still being worked out and in that case it's not a fair critism.
Glen was the stronger player of the two and I suspect he did the lions share of the riff writing as well. Especially on tricky openings like Sentinels. Seems I recall KK saying something about in the later years it was Glenn getting to do the majority part of the writing and I suspect that this lead to some jealousy and why KK chose to leave the band. Also there's a reason they don't want him back. If Glenn wasn't suffering with Parkinson's he would be welcomed back with open arms! KK is a good player his solos confirm that he's not a shitty guitarist but Glenn is the superior player mo doubt.
Superior ?
On what ?
On that sense , Is Glenn is a better drummer than Scott considering Glenn tells scott to play the programmed machine on the demos.
Even Andy Sneap confirmed that...
Glenn is just another without surprise Lead guitar Disease guy
K.K. all day. He should be in the band.
Woo! Things are heating up. I want Glenn to edit my leads. haha
Glenn isn't drunk. Jayne Andrews scripted this at another attempt to denounce KK from Priest, to further make money off KK's name like Jayne and Glenn have been for the last 25+ years. KK was right - shoddy management.
One of metals best lead players. Always cutting edge. Never gave the newer gen players an inch of comfort imo. Only to aspire to.
Couple of Narcissists Rob and Glenn have become, very un-Rock ‘n’ Roll…
It’s so obvious that Ken was a huge part of the spirit of the band, the total Judas Priest vibe and the creation of the music. He’s amazing.
These guys should go on television and get a therapist.
It’s true what KK said, it’s not fair that Glenn and Rob both left and were still able to come back, why can’t KK???
Yes, and if you recall Rob really maligned the band after his departure.
The fact is many of Glenn’s solos are comped as well. My take is that Glenn probably did contribute a lot in the areas of arranging the songs and sections. He certainly brings a classical and lyrical sense of soloing in his style. However he and KK are not that dissimilar in technical ability. KK approaches things from more a sound and emotional perspective, and that his style. Certainly both of either solos in Beyond the Realms move me equally as an example. Also the note choice and sounds on KK’s solos on Demonizer, Hot For Love, Bloodstone? Glenn couldn’t do that, just not his style. And that combination defined Judas Priest the band.
As someone who has also spliced together guitar solos to make the piece more interesting, Glen bringing it up is bullshit! That's just saying he helped arrange some of KK's solos. KK is the one who played them, period. When I spliced together a solo I left it up to the original player as to if we kept it, rerecorded it, or went back to the original take. The fact that most of the time they chose my splice spoke to their professionalism.
100%!!!!
Especially true back in the day when the number of tracks available to put down increased substantially. It made it a lot easier to 'go for it' on multiple passes and then slice and splice the best parts from two or more passes.
And everybody did it, so suggesting that it had to be done for KK to mask a deficit in his abilities when it is just as likely that Glenn was editing his own solos is ridiculous or worse--hypocritical.
Man, splicing has been the standard since the 1960s. There’s no shame, it’s just sort of an intellectual puzzle. What grooves on the record might be different than what flows naturally. Think about how heavily dubbed and edited your favorite music is! Everything from Floyd to Garfunkel to Streisand. It’s cool. But, I do have a prob with KK talking out of school, too. I hate the faction business! All these men seem to get rich, old, and lose their damn mind.
@@Raughwe Post-Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s album-The first major record using 8 Tracks-True. But it really picked up steam once musicians, engineers, and producers had 16 tracks and more to work with since there is need to bounce tracks and risk signal degradation.
A lot of the music created in the 70s and 80s could not have been done in most of the 60s without significant compromises.
The real point is the availability of greater numbers of tracks encouraged greater experimentation. To have the luxury of 8 to 12 tracks more than you were used to facilitated more improvised solos and taking a couple of shots at it sometimes yielded very different ideas. It then became easier to just select a few bars from one track, the next set bars from a second, and maybe the final set of bars from a third track. Could it be done with less? In certain cases, but at the risk of sound quality, or of losing one of the passes/bounced tracks if an error was made in the mixing.
When Priest began recording in the early-70s 8-track may have still been the state of the art, but their career has encompassed an explosion in the evolution of the recording process. I have been outside of active recording for some time, I think the transition to 64 tracks from 48 was just beginning, but having up to 8 times as many tracks available just about opens a door to infinite creativity, and if Tipton’s “editing” claim is to be believed, yes you can cover mistakes as well, but so what?
The only thing that matters is the end-product. A “bad” Judas Priest album is a rarity in my books!
@@vincentgarzoli3197 Hear, hear, my brother. I remember hearing Jerry Garcia thinking that his work was compromised due to dubbing on the first Garfunkel album. Well. I can clearly hear Jerry, cause anybody who really plays guitar knows Jerry!
Sure Glenn edited in the studio, but ya can't edit Live on stage. Even Eddie Van Halen edited his guitar solos together in the studio. Glenn was the better guitarist and most importantly Priest's primary song-writer, but KK was the band's best performer. Both guys mixed like salt and pepper to create the band's Titanium-Metal sound. You can't have the "Judas" without the "Priest".
one of glenn's best solo's, delivering the goods, is VERY edited.
Love love love the Priest will be back!!
All this bickering could be just theater/hype to create a big buzz/interest to make the reunion bigger than ever! Just saying...
Well it would be the cover up manoeuver in the history of metal music then
All respect to Ken but Glenn played circles around him. 'Ram it Down', 'Beyond the Realms...', 'All Guns Blazing', 'Invader', 'Solar Angels', Ken couldn't have played any of those or come up with something as memorable and melodic. 'Fever', 'Dreamer Deceiver', 'Rock you all Around the World', 'Freewheel Burning', I could keep going. That's not even mentioning the super memorable lead parts on the usual hits like 'Another Thing...', 'Livin After Midnight', 'Metal Gods' and go and listen to all the opening tracks on all their albums in chronological order, Glenn set a new standard every single time, he always pushed himself and had his ear to the ground but always made it his own. After EVH hit the scene towards the end of the 70's, Glenn came out with 'Hell Bent...' and 'Electric Eye'. At the end of the 80's when all the shrapnel guys were going bonkers, Glenn reinvented himself and did 'Painkiller' (!) and 'Ram it Down'. Those solos are a long way from 'Rocka Rolla'. He could've just rested on his laurels and recycled the same licks for decades like so many of his contemporaries did. Of course it's not a competition but what solos does Ken have? 'Sinner', 'Jawbreaker' and his solo at the end of 'Painkiller' honestly isn't a bad effort considering what was laid down only a few minutes earlier. I'll give him 'Troubleshooter' too because I can't remember who did that one but if you tally those up, there's a clear winner. Want something recent? Glenn's slide solo on 'Flamethrower' is really sick and again, different to anything he's done before.
Ok but no need to have the same kind of guitar players in the same band,. They completed each other, that's what important.
I don't like all this bickering. I don't care how good Tipton and Downing are separately, all I know is that they are both better TOGETHER.
It gets down to this kk has a better album than the last few jp albums. So yeah seems he was the driving force . Jp are very average now a shadow of there former selfs
Metal men - plug in your Marshalls, crank to 11 and forget the BS. Let the guitars do the talking 🤘
Wow these are some serious words from two guitarists that for the whole world into thinking they were a partnership a pair. I’m shocked that they have such hatred towards each other. That they would go public and speak like they are instead of keeping it in the family
You know with every single article by KK I would probably lose my patience too. I believe it is not only KK's fault, because magazines simply tease him with neverending flood of stupid questions and he only answeres and speaks his mind. This is a really sad story for all of us not only for JP guys
EVERY record made has its solos edited down, re- learned and retracked, especially fiery intuitive emotionally charged players like Downing. It's not a big deal, it's just one of the processes of making records.
Tipton may play like a machine but Downing is the urgency and emotional covalence that weaves with the vocal like few people actually can. What a nothing burger comment by Tipton.
Editing, splicing, or comping (however you wish to put it) solos, is not an uncommon practice when making an album. A few iconic examples come to mind: comfortably numb, VH jump.
Unbelievable the world we live in. What the hell happened to some of these people?
Priest never been the same without K.K.
Tipton was always superior.
By far, in every single fucking way.
If you bait a control freak long enough, he loses his composure and his self-control and shows his true nature.
Sad they are fighting. I thought both put together tasteful leads and did so consistently.
between jp and maiden i dont no who i like more.long live metal!
KK has that metal monster look, Glenn looks like my biology teacher sporting his teen sons pants. They're both talented, together they were unstoppable. Priest without KK isn't Priest, just a cheap imitation. It was their chemistry that gave them success, not 1 or 2 members over the others.
I hate to hear the bickering between K.K. and Glenn like this. But I have to clarify and disagree with something Glenn said here. He said he never drank to much before going onstage or being onstage. Now, I can’t confirm if it was beer or what, but about 35 years ago I saw Priest when I was stationed in Germany and it was VERY clear that Tipton was very HAMMERED that night. He said he may have had a couple of beers and it never affected his performance. Umm....okay. It damn sure affected his stability on his feet and his actions that night. And yes, it affected his performance. I would go so far as to say K.K. picked up the slack and carried him that show. But I was and am a huge Judas Priest fan and it really didn’t matter to me. I was just so happy to catch them live while on a short leave in Germany so far from my home in the states. So, a little bit of a lie from Glenn here.
Come on guys get it together. I know richie has been there for awhile now and he's done a killer job but to TRULY be JP then you have to have KK. Make it work.
How did he edit this? Is he an engineer.
I hope they mend their differences before it's too late.
Both guitar players made the beautiful sound. The end and of course the rest of the band but we're just talking about guitar players