Curse of pain is the most not skill based thing together with phantomize and longswords and the fact that warlocks can use all of these things is too funny, Warlock needs more nerfs
@@Fachspezialist Its ok bro, one day you will pick up the longsword and notice it doesn't block everything automatically and you can stop dying to it when you realize you don't have to hit their block.
@@masonlazy2740actually true, overall damage is a lot bigger now and they can do that damage just by hitting 2 curses and then running for the entire fight, you only need to reset the curses from time to time. You get hit because tou wanted to reset the curses and have crap positioning? No problem, just phantomize and wait for cooldown. Rinse and repeat, very skilled class 😂
@@michaeloaks9905 It better get a new name if they don't give it back to warlock then lmao. Sacrificial daggers seem like it should be a warlock exclusive :P
They just need to remake bolt of darkness to be like an arrow (less collision, and faster projectile). Current bolt is just not reliable enough until you risk getting rushed by melee classes - which take 7-10 business days to kill as it is.
They could also add on hit slow like ice bolt or a little bit of knock back or something. It also sometimes shoots in random directions at close range making you miss even when point blank
TLDR New Curse of Pain is FAR superior in every way. Math time (base numbers since scaling hasnt changed). old Curse of pain, in a PERFECT world takes 1 second to cast, and ticks every 1 second there-after, for 8 seconds. Lets assume you have PERFECT timing on ur casting, no lag, no nothing, and you manage to get 8 curses of pain off in exactly 8 seconds. This means you would tie the tick counter, and it would not deal damage. No one can do that. SO lets assume you get 7 curses of pain off in 8 seconds, with the first tick of damage added in to each curse. Thats a total of 7(7+1) or 56 damage in 8 seconds. DPS wise that is 7 dps.. ALSO, since is is part of the spell, it would cost you a total of 14 hp to cast W/O torture mastery, or 28 hp to cast W/ Torture mastery. Your action economy was all dedicated to CoP spam. NEW Curse of Pain. Still 1 second to cast, and a tick every second there-after over 8 seconds. Total damage, base = 30. with 2 self damage w/o TM, or + 12 hp if you have TM. Total action economy expended. 1 second. You still have 7 seconds of action economy to play with. How bout throw on a Power of Sacrifice for a total of 21 damage over those remaining 7 seconds, 2 self damage (w/o TM), or +12 self healing (w/ TM). Total action economy expended. 1 second. Total damage over that 8 second window so far = 51, with 4 self damage (w/o TM), or +24 self healing (w/ TM). Total action economy expended. 2 second. HRRM. What to do with the remaining 6 seconds? (or if we are being fair as we arnt robots, 5.5ish) How about Curse of Weakness? 25% reduction to base stats is pretty huge in a fight. Enemy will just be overall weaker for the duration. Technically does damage to them but its a temporary reduction. But thats ok, we are only doing an 8 second window of time. 4.25 more seconds to play with...Shoot, lets keep it simple. Bolt of Darkness, 20 dmg a second. Ill assume 3 get off in the remaining time. Thats 60 damage total, not counting headshot dmg. For the low cost of 6 hp (w/o TM), or 18 hp (w/ TM) Total damage done by new Curse of Pain wielder over 8 second window: 111 with 10 self damage (w/o TM), or 6 + self healing (w/ TM). DPS wise that is 13.875 DPS with a little under 1 healing per second.
@@snowywhistle2114 "Torture Mastery All curses inflicted upon enemies restores 2 Magical Base Healing (5% Scaling) to the caster with each instance of damage dealt. All spells cost 3x"
"NEW Curse of Pain. Still 1 second to cast, and a tick every second there-after over 8 seconds. Total damage, base = 30. with 2 self damage w/o TM, or + 16 hp if you have TM. Total action economy expended. 1 second." in the paragraph hear, you mention "or 16 hp if you have TM", if the normal cost without tm is 2, and tm changes the cost to be x3, shouldn't 2 x 3 be 6? not 16?
@@silent8109 You right, but if they don't have a curse on them, the cursor is directly ontop of them, they are within range of the curse and it still doesn't register it's likely still bugged from 3-5 patches ago when they said they had fixed it. How about you go back and read the patch notes.
Since the initial dmg and the dmg over time is buffed, i think dark offering will make a difference beyond good and evil, i wouldreally like you to try a build with dark offering and i guess one curse takes 60% health without any bolt hits etc. Love your Vids btw. much love for you sir !
I think there was a nerf to the damage after the first shot if i remember correctly you can’t do damage after the first shot until the curse affect wear off that’s why fix me if am wrong
Honestly man warlock is still great. You just actually need to use more resources like other classes. As in bring a lot of healing. You always should but warlocks can bring even more because the health is the main resource.
To make warlock effective in duos/trios it requires some coordination with your team as warlock tends to have a different gameplan than every other class. duo warlock is pretty straightforward though. one of you takes curse mastery, which allows you to combined have 2 curse of pains on one person. Bard is fun and highly effective in every queue, if you want something that requires effort, i recommend it!
@@BirdyBirby Average barb players like you are so dum they don't even know attack manipulation by drag so get parried every time, go to youtube comments without any solid arguments, spam "just parry dude". Can't think of factors like "a naked barb is much faster so he can back off after his attack gets parried" or "barb gets so many free stats so he is cost efficency god" etc. What a sad community that is drowning in copium to see.
As a druid main, warlocks have been the main class that's been able to kill me. I've made it a priority to wear some magic resist and bring magic protection potions. It's funny to see people on reddit saying warlock got nerfed because they can't spam CoP anymore.
CoP got reworked to do double the instant damage. In return you can't do the instant damage as long as the enemy is under the effect of CoP. This is a rework. But what people don't seem to realise are that there are more pros to this change than first anticipated. Magic Power Bonus is now twice as effective on CoP than before. Meaning more damage, not only on the instant damage, but the DoT damage too. Which *also* got a buff in damage. If you ask me the main drawback in this video from what I can see is that TM is still a mid perk to take. The x3 multiplier on spells is a tad too much for the healing to compensate. Mainly due to how much the big spells cost rather than the smaller spells. Thing slike hellfire, hydra, flamewalker all cost too much. So maybe TM should have an x3 multiplier for the curse only, and the other spells only get an x2 multiplier. Or maybe even 1.5x multiplier. So for now I'd say a high Will/Mag Power warlock could be really good. Mayhe stack Mag Heal and use Vampirism to make heal pots really good so that you can heal a decent bit in phantomise. Since Warlock has occultist hood and mystic gloves to add a big chunk of mag heals to their kit.
something tells me boc is back if you consider the fact warlock has more burst now. curse into bolt into boc could when you a lot of fights. soul collector meme beam with the new curse damage as well.
yeah but what weapon would you use boc with to make it worth considering even taking it over phantomize now? boc really shined with the kris style build imo
How soon do you go into high roller? Like do you have any set parameters for yourself before you start climbing ladder again? I know you need gold obviously to pay 😅
Playing this with Torture Mastery (in its current state) looks pretty rough I can’t lie; stacking Knowledge for Hydrain doesn’t seem as effective as before though and having PoS for extra dots with TM seems right. Still really looking forward to playing and experimenting with this nonetheless! Warlocks standup 🙏
The problem with TM is that the health cost for anything other than pain sac and bolt is way too high, especially now that curse mastery is sort of a self nerf. One flamewalk eats all of the healing you get from landing a pain, so the net value you get from the utility spells is questionable
The fight with that fighter in troll room made that pretty clear to me. 30% hp and he didn’t hit me once. Granted I think I had 2mh on gear. Maybe we can stack full mh and not worry about damage now that pain is buffed 🤔
Exactly!! This is why I would pretty much always run Hydrain after the triple cost changes. 24HP Hydra means it’s not worth running and things like Flamewalker cost so much too. I don’t even thinking stacking MH is worth it because it has 5% scaling; with 20 MH + vamp you’re not even healing 4 HP per tick, it sucks💀 Hydrain doesn’t seem worth it now either cos you need a fair bit of knowledge to cast all spells but knowledge seems redundant when we can’t cop spam. We don’t even have Kris to run hybrid builds either 😭 gonna have to experiment once I’m home but I’m sure we’ll figure out something soon 🙏
I've been gone for like 4 months, but man what have they done to my boy (warlock). Admittedly I only watched up to 6 minutes, but man... it seems way to long to kill that fighter.
While editing down my last two streams for this video, I saved 10 clips just like the one with the ranger of curses just not registering. Might make a video about it if it keeps happening
@@Euthafro Yea, All warlock spells feels bugged, died countless times with spells clearly hitting but not registering. Even to MOBS. Curse and Strength are absolutely bugged this patch.
Haven’t played warlock since the change but it feels a lot healthier to fight if they land their curse they are rewarded but have other options besides curse flame curse curse phantomize and repeat it feels like fighting a dot sniper
Rangers instantly dying to magic at any gear level is stupid af. Takes a metric fuck ton of arrows to kill a warlock when in a white kit and then if they hit you 2-3 times you die. Forget the fact you hit 2 headshots in a row bro he hit 1-2 body shots EZ CLAP.
people do not seem to understand warlock isn't supposed to ever EVER build full caster, curses are supplemental to melee gameplay. warlock gets access to bardiche, halberd, longsword all hard hitting big dmg melee weapons.
Yeah bro too many people out there just spamming hitscans and kris munching people; it's time people embraced the big boy lifestyle and start one tapping some fools with bsb power of sac ripostes
Non melee focused abilities? Ok bro like you can power of sacrifice yourself and get like what 10/10 vigor strength? Curse of weakness? Plate armour??? This class is literally broken from all points of view@@andersonborges5377
@@borlonto2771 you're talking about a barb balancing problem, not a warlock problem. One class doesn't need buffs because another is broken, you are a complete idiot 😂
IRON MACE IS TRYING TO SUPRESS US WARLOCKS FIRST THE KRIS NOW THE CURSE OF PAIN REVOLT MY BROTHERS FOR THE PROMISED LAND
Curse of pain is the most not skill based thing together with phantomize and longswords and the fact that warlocks can use all of these things is too funny, Warlock needs more nerfs
@@Fachspezialist Its ok bro, one day you will pick up the longsword and notice it doesn't block everything automatically and you can stop dying to it when you realize you don't have to hit their block.
He had me up until he said longsword were broken 😂
Curse change is not a nerf, I believe it's a buff. Its only a nerf for noobs that can't aim or one's that run curse as their only damage source
@@masonlazy2740actually true, overall damage is a lot bigger now and they can do that damage just by hitting 2 curses and then running for the entire fight, you only need to reset the curses from time to time. You get hit because tou wanted to reset the curses and have crap positioning? No problem, just phantomize and wait for cooldown. Rinse and repeat, very skilled class 😂
I feel like the kris is "specifically" a warlock weapon. like, even thematically. I don't think they ever should have taken it away.
They're re- working the kris
@@michaeloaks9905 It better get a new name if they don't give it back to warlock then lmao. Sacrificial daggers seem like it should be a warlock exclusive :P
not being able to spam an hitscan spell without any cost? what a tragedy
They just need to remake bolt of darkness to be like an arrow (less collision, and faster projectile).
Current bolt is just not reliable enough until you risk getting rushed by melee classes - which take 7-10 business days to kill as it is.
They could also add on hit slow like ice bolt or a little bit of knock back or something. It also sometimes shoots in random directions at close range making you miss even when point blank
make ray of darkness slow
i have been really scared of warlock dmg for the first time and wasnt sure why so cheers homie
Just zap twice and you win... I hate Stweamas... 🙄
@@partychip ruclips.net/video/3BFTio5296w/видео.html
TLDR New Curse of Pain is FAR superior in every way.
Math time (base numbers since scaling hasnt changed). old Curse of pain, in a PERFECT world takes 1 second to cast, and ticks every 1 second there-after, for 8 seconds. Lets assume you have PERFECT timing on ur casting, no lag, no nothing, and you manage to get 8 curses of pain off in exactly 8 seconds. This means you would tie the tick counter, and it would not deal damage.
No one can do that. SO lets assume you get 7 curses of pain off in 8 seconds, with the first tick of damage added in to each curse.
Thats a total of 7(7+1) or 56 damage in 8 seconds. DPS wise that is 7 dps.. ALSO, since is is part of the spell, it would cost you a total of 14 hp to cast W/O torture mastery, or 28 hp to cast W/ Torture mastery. Your action economy was all dedicated to CoP spam.
NEW Curse of Pain.
Still 1 second to cast, and a tick every second there-after over 8 seconds.
Total damage, base = 30. with 2 self damage w/o TM, or + 12 hp if you have TM. Total action economy expended. 1 second.
You still have 7 seconds of action economy to play with.
How bout throw on a Power of Sacrifice for a total of 21 damage over those remaining 7 seconds, 2 self damage (w/o TM), or +12 self healing (w/ TM). Total action economy expended. 1 second.
Total damage over that 8 second window so far = 51, with 4 self damage (w/o TM), or +24 self healing (w/ TM). Total action economy expended. 2 second.
HRRM. What to do with the remaining 6 seconds? (or if we are being fair as we arnt robots, 5.5ish)
How about Curse of Weakness? 25% reduction to base stats is pretty huge in a fight. Enemy will just be overall weaker for the duration. Technically does damage to them but its a temporary reduction. But thats ok, we are only doing an 8 second window of time.
4.25 more seconds to play with...Shoot, lets keep it simple. Bolt of Darkness, 20 dmg a second. Ill assume 3 get off in the remaining time. Thats 60 damage total, not counting headshot dmg. For the low cost of 6 hp (w/o TM), or 18 hp (w/ TM)
Total damage done by new Curse of Pain wielder over 8 second window: 111 with 10 self damage (w/o TM), or 6 + self healing (w/ TM).
DPS wise that is 13.875 DPS with a little under 1 healing per second.
What stats are priority with the new curse? Still true dmg or a lot of will for bolt of darkness?
isn't the torture mastery cost 4x?
if a curse costs 2 hp, shouldn't torture mastery make it 8? not 16?
@@snowywhistle2114
"Torture Mastery
All curses inflicted upon enemies restores 2 Magical Base Healing (5% Scaling) to the caster with each instance of damage dealt. All spells cost 3x"
@@EnviP True mag damage is hard to beat.
"NEW Curse of Pain.
Still 1 second to cast, and a tick every second there-after over 8 seconds.
Total damage, base = 30. with 2 self damage w/o TM, or + 16 hp if you have TM. Total action economy expended. 1 second."
in the paragraph hear, you mention "or 16 hp if you have TM", if the normal cost without tm is 2, and tm changes the cost to be x3, shouldn't 2 x 3 be 6? not 16?
As a warlock G, people sleep on soul collector and ray of darkness
The Meme Beam Supreme, if you will.
@@WolfHreda
Now I'm fucking sith demon form for the first time. Even after they nerfed it, it is still so powerful.
Anyone who thinks warlock is dead hasn’t tried to fight a warlock recently
I think Curse of pain hit reg is bugged, ive had many encounters where it has not registered a clear hit many of times now
Yup, been saying that since they mentioned that they had fixed it. Really sucks when it doesn't register and it's to save you life.
after you curse someone once you can’t curse them again until the curse ends read patch notes
@@ryan70041 you dont want to curse them again during the duration or else you cant do high dps again
@@silent8109 You right, but if they don't have a curse on them, the cursor is directly ontop of them, they are within range of the curse and it still doesn't register it's likely still bugged from 3-5 patches ago when they said they had fixed it. How about you go back and read the patch notes.
17:18 Nice
Warlocks actually fun to fight for the first time since it released.
Since the initial dmg and the dmg over time is buffed, i think dark offering will make a difference beyond good and evil, i wouldreally like you to try a build with dark offering and i guess one curse takes 60% health without any bolt hits etc.
Love your Vids btw. much love for you sir !
The curse of pain change is wildly too good. I've been doing 39 damage with one curse with only grey gear
I think there was a nerf to the damage after the first shot if i remember correctly you can’t do damage after the first shot until the curse affect wear off that’s why fix me if am wrong
Honestly man warlock is still great. You just actually need to use more resources like other classes. As in bring a lot of healing. You always should but warlocks can bring even more because the health is the main resource.
glad to see a real warlock point out we got buffed instead of CoP spammers crying we got nerfed, math is hard RIP Kris
The one of the reason they cannot move kris dagger which is they telling us warlock can use type of diff melee weapon, In their character description.
But the otherwise, I still feel them move dagger from demonlock, that is most broken and no gear to win the geared players best way..
I can't seem to make warlock work in anything but solo. Struggling to find a new class to play and honestly about to drop the game.
in the exact same boat bud. unplayable in duos or trios, and solos is boring. dont enjoy any other class
Try demon lock with a support (bard or cleric)
I only play solo. Whats wrong woth solo play?
To make warlock effective in duos/trios it requires some coordination with your team as warlock tends to have a different gameplan than every other class. duo warlock is pretty straightforward though. one of you takes curse mastery, which allows you to combined have 2 curse of pains on one person. Bard is fun and highly effective in every queue, if you want something that requires effort, i recommend it!
Skill issue
"barbs are weak"
barb playrate %30
runs at you
2 tap
Longsword parry :)
@@BirdyBirby You know you still dont win with double parry attack 1 headshot 1 body shot right?
@@SailorIvo yes but parry
@@BirdyBirby Average barb players like you are so dum they don't even know attack manipulation by drag so get parried every time, go to youtube comments without any solid arguments, spam "just parry dude". Can't think of factors like "a naked barb is much faster so he can back off after his attack gets parried" or "barb gets so many free stats so he is cost efficency god" etc. What a sad community that is drowning in copium to see.
playrate on 24 gs?
As a druid main, warlocks have been the main class that's been able to kill me. I've made it a priority to wear some magic resist and bring magic protection potions. It's funny to see people on reddit saying warlock got nerfed because they can't spam CoP anymore.
Please seek god and return to fighter
CoP got reworked to do double the instant damage.
In return you can't do the instant damage as long as the enemy is under the effect of CoP.
This is a rework. But what people don't seem to realise are that there are more pros to this change than first anticipated.
Magic Power Bonus is now twice as effective on CoP than before. Meaning more damage, not only on the instant damage, but the DoT damage too. Which *also* got a buff in damage.
If you ask me the main drawback in this video from what I can see is that TM is still a mid perk to take. The x3 multiplier on spells is a tad too much for the healing to compensate.
Mainly due to how much the big spells cost rather than the smaller spells.
Thing slike hellfire, hydra, flamewalker all cost too much.
So maybe TM should have an x3 multiplier for the curse only, and the other spells only get an x2 multiplier. Or maybe even 1.5x multiplier.
So for now I'd say a high Will/Mag Power warlock could be really good.
Mayhe stack Mag Heal and use Vampirism to make heal pots really good so that you can heal a decent bit in phantomise. Since Warlock has occultist hood and mystic gloves to add a big chunk of mag heals to their kit.
something tells me boc is back if you consider the fact warlock has more burst now. curse into bolt into boc could when you a lot of fights. soul collector meme beam with the new curse damage as well.
yeah but what weapon would you use boc with to make it worth considering even taking it over phantomize now? boc really shined with the kris style build imo
Ik the build but don't want to share cuz ik warlock is insanely broken rn but people don't realized it yet. 😂
@@masonlazy2740 ok lil bro
@@drafman1 nvm, i take it back. people are realizing warlock is hella good rn XD
Trying to land COP in a fight is near impossible with 200 ping. South Africa needs a regional server so bad... Nice vid
I heard y4mi end video music as soon as that last door opened haha
How soon do you go into high roller? Like do you have any set parameters for yourself before you start climbing ladder again? I know you need gold obviously to pay 😅
High roller asap. New leaderboards not out yet though
Eutha the Warlock Profit.
Playing this with Torture Mastery (in its current state) looks pretty rough I can’t lie; stacking Knowledge for Hydrain doesn’t seem as effective as before though and having PoS for extra dots with TM seems right.
Still really looking forward to playing and experimenting with this nonetheless! Warlocks standup 🙏
The problem with TM is that the health cost for anything other than pain sac and bolt is way too high, especially now that curse mastery is sort of a self nerf. One flamewalk eats all of the healing you get from landing a pain, so the net value you get from the utility spells is questionable
The fight with that fighter in troll room made that pretty clear to me. 30% hp and he didn’t hit me once. Granted I think I had 2mh on gear. Maybe we can stack full mh and not worry about damage now that pain is buffed 🤔
Exactly!! This is why I would pretty much always run Hydrain after the triple cost changes. 24HP Hydra means it’s not worth running and things like Flamewalker cost so much too. I don’t even thinking stacking MH is worth it because it has 5% scaling; with 20 MH + vamp you’re not even healing 4 HP per tick, it sucks💀
Hydrain doesn’t seem worth it now either cos you need a fair bit of knowledge to cast all spells but knowledge seems redundant when we can’t cop spam. We don’t even have Kris to run hybrid builds either 😭 gonna have to experiment once I’m home but I’m sure we’ll figure out something soon 🙏
I've been gone for like 4 months, but man what have they done to my boy (warlock). Admittedly I only watched up to 6 minutes, but man... it seems way to long to kill that fighter.
curses feel off this wipe for some reason
While editing down my last two streams for this video, I saved 10 clips just like the one with the ranger of curses just not registering. Might make a video about it if it keeps happening
@@Euthafro Yea, All warlock spells feels bugged, died countless times with spells clearly hitting but not registering. Even to MOBS. Curse and Strength are absolutely bugged this patch.
@@Euthafro do it pls last wipe curses felt so crisp
They need to buff the range of the dot now if they haven't already like jesus fuck
You're a whiny one
New curse is OP wait till people start crying abt it
"reworked" lmao, it is a straight buff
Haven’t played warlock since the change but it feels a lot healthier to fight if they land their curse they are rewarded but have other options besides curse flame curse curse phantomize and repeat it feels like fighting a dot sniper
Lmfao if that fighter had a bow and hit you once you wouldve died on the first one, the fuck is this pvp lmfao
Rangers instantly dying to magic at any gear level is stupid af. Takes a metric fuck ton of arrows to kill a warlock when in a white kit and then if they hit you 2-3 times you die. Forget the fact you hit 2 headshots in a row bro he hit 1-2 body shots EZ CLAP.
LOL what? What game are you playing! Rangers can wreck
@@eviltwin-yt In under 25s?
Ranger counters casters, but only as long as he stays out of their effective range. Low hp and builds no mr whatsoever, so no surprise there.
@@meltdown4126 Invis pots. Insta cast fireball.
New curse of pain is way to strong. First time I got hit by it I screamed wtf is that DMG. Any warlock that thinks it is a nerf has brain rot.
This is a solid update
people do not seem to understand warlock isn't supposed to ever EVER build full caster, curses are supplemental to melee gameplay. warlock gets access to bardiche, halberd, longsword all hard hitting big dmg melee weapons.
Yeah bro too many people out there just spamming hitscans and kris munching people; it's time people embraced the big boy lifestyle and start one tapping some fools with bsb power of sac ripostes
Why not? Highest base will of the game, and non meele focused spells and skills. I think caster is suposed to be one of the ways you play it
Non melee focused abilities? Ok bro like you can power of sacrifice yourself and get like what 10/10 vigor strength? Curse of weakness? Plate armour??? This class is literally broken from all points of view@@andersonborges5377
Until a 30% pick rate Barb two taps you before you can even get yourlongaword out after cursing. But okay.
@@borlonto2771 you're talking about a barb balancing problem, not a warlock problem. One class doesn't need buffs because another is broken, you are a complete idiot 😂
As a rogue main this buff hurts my soul
Some people may think it's a nerf I think it's a good rework us warlocks can now use other spells no more curse spam
It's a fucking massive buff below 125 gear. Anyone good that try the new warlock would realized it's just different, not nerf (like in the vid)
How bout y’all get good and use more than one spell. Never thought about that huh? 😂😂
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Warlock players have no skill 😭😭