The only thought that came to me on imprinting was the movie Fly Away Home.... Ducks imprinted to migrate through the use of a home built small plane painted like a large duck so they would follow it and learn to fly.... Maybe start with a drone painted like a predator bird to start imprinting tactical moves??🤷♀️
Hi Ben, interesting video. I’d be very interested in a video on hacking, both tame versus more traditional. But extolling the benefits and any pitfalls. I greatly enjoy your musings, please keep it coming.
Ben, you asked to share our experience and I have one duable trick. When falconer uses the lure instead of glove to call the bird, some times imprints start protect the lure and it rise the aggresion. In this case I tie the meat NOT to the lure directly, I fix it on the lure's rope (30-35 sm from lure). I use this approach in the start of lure trainings. The imprint does not bind meat with the lure and never protects it. Lure it's signal, not a food.
That is a really REALLY ingenious approach!!!! I appreciate you sharing it. I’ll have to try it out. But I can see the logic and it is a brilliant idea!
@benwoodrufffalconry I forgot about one important detail. For Accipiters this approach works in case if lure NOT looks like real prey. We need to use leather lure only. If you use some wool or feathers, accipiters probably will try to kill the lure anyway. For falcons this is not the case, we are able to use any type of lure
Be sure they aren't brining right dents in the house....or you could end up with respiratory issues. I hate autocorrect auto fill.....😥😥😥 Edited: bringing dead rodents....
weird question, i have a soft imprint, mainly just a social imprint. would it effect his temperament towards me if i bring home an eyass to imprint? not that he would get "jealous" per say but would or could he become confused or possessive of me?
Hey Ben Thanks for the info and insight you provide on this channel. A couple topics I'd be interested in hearing you do a video on if you are so inclined: 1. Dogs in falconry, what to train for and how to get them to coexist with a bird 2. Falconry being used for nuisance bird abatement; what are your thoughts on the ethics of it and optics for the sport?
So true! Let a bird be what it is meant to be; ultimately better for bird! Wonderful Thank you, Ben! I am working with a rescued, adult, female Kestrel, for educational purposes. She tolerates me & is sweet. Should she be trained to glove-eat? Pls recommend enrichment for bird with irreparably damaged wing/can't fly? txs 🥰😉
Interesting video, I am not sure there is a "best of both worlds" With parent reared or passage birds we will never completely be part the birds "bubble". But they will have natural behaviour and be able to bred naturally in the future. With imprints we are part of their bubble, but at a massive loss of natural behaviour. As Falconers we have to be very personally honest. Are we imprinting a bird for their benefit. Or because we want a more mammalian centric interaction with bird? Also if we chose to imprint. Do we accept a full life responsibility to that bird?
I have a video topic idea! Kites have always been my favorite BOP. I was wondering if they would be trainable and used to hunt in falconry! Kites like black winged kites, white tailed kites, Mississippi kites etc. Maybe it could fit into micro hawking!
I had a baby chicken who lost her flock and she imprinted on me and my dog and even after I was able to get her new chicken companions she still thought she was a dog and she hated the chickens and took a season for her to adjust and now she prefers the chickens over me and my dog but she still comes when I call and loves a good cuddle and scratches. Imprint I imagine can be difficult with a bird of prey, my chicken would cry for me and either try to be by the door or windows that she could see me through and would want to sleep next to my bedroom window on top of the dog house. Took long time to get her to settle once we got more chickens and now she sleeps with them but on occasion I find her trying to go to bed by my window and have to go put her back in her pen. She wud try to steal dog food or whatever u had even when she had plenty of food. With other chickens she now goes for the chicken food first and stops trying to steal dog food. I know birds of prey are different but any bird imprinted is a big giant handful. Atleast she thought she was a dog not a human and now she knows she's a chicken. She was constantly anxious wanting soothing and companionship even when she was with me or my dog she was restless until she excepted tge chickens and stopped beating them up and realized tgey like to graze like her and now she's content and not anxious or restless and only hollers if she doesn't see tgat a missing hen is laying she cries till she finds her sisters after they lay.
Have you ever read Gyrfalcon by Norman Barichello? The wild gyrs he observed would follow large mammals such as caribou, foxes and human skiers who would eventually flush out the ptarmigan they hunt. Some mated pairs stay together throughout the year to hunt together - one would flush the prey, the other would pursue. Falcons and covids scored the highest on the Lefebvre IQ Index. How would you say an imprint falcon and a parrot may differ in personality? I am writing a medieval fantasy series that includes a white gyr as a character. Think Brian from Family Guy, but way more "realistic" shall we say? Brian sometimes has human girlfriends because cartoon logic. The white gyr has a human spouse and an (unfertilzed) egg on the way because imprint logic. I never handled actual birds before, so it is a little difficult for me to get the comparisons to parrots. Can you give some specific examples? Also, what gives them their "dumb" reputation?
@@thelastfalconerl will be brief. Take the falcon at around twenty days. Keep them with around you as much as possible. Never let them get hungry. When they are hard penned call them to the just once a session and feed them up. Do not ever take food from them. You can reduce the food intake by the size of the meal. Proceed to flying every day.
wolves are pack animals ...lmost raptors are not . that's why there's much less socialization and intelligence...that's why crows are so smart and hawks are so "dumb"
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The only thought that came to me on imprinting was the movie Fly Away Home.... Ducks imprinted to migrate through the use of a home built small plane painted like a large duck so they would follow it and learn to fly.... Maybe start with a drone painted like a predator bird to start imprinting tactical moves??🤷♀️
neat idea i might have to try that!
Hi Ben, interesting video. I’d be very interested in a video on hacking, both tame versus more traditional. But extolling the benefits and any pitfalls. I greatly enjoy your musings, please keep it coming.
Read "High Flying Gyrfalcons" by Vic Hardaswick and Kent Christopher. A detailed account of how to raise an imprint.
Please make a video about hacking
Can you please do a video Harris hawk Versus Peregrine falcon to iconic birds of prey would love to see that also amazing video
Ben, you asked to share our experience and I have one duable trick. When falconer uses the lure instead of glove to call the bird, some times imprints start protect the lure and it rise the aggresion. In this case I tie the meat NOT to the lure directly, I fix it on the lure's rope (30-35 sm from lure). I use this approach in the start of lure trainings. The imprint does not bind meat with the lure and never protects it. Lure it's signal, not a food.
That is a really REALLY ingenious approach!!!! I appreciate you sharing it. I’ll have to try it out. But I can see the logic and it is a brilliant idea!
@benwoodrufffalconry I forgot about one important detail. For Accipiters this approach works in case if lure NOT looks like real prey. We need to use leather lure only. If you use some wool or feathers, accipiters probably will try to kill the lure anyway. For falcons this is not the case, we are able to use any type of lure
I’m so glad you posted this video. I’m hoping to train a common kestrel. There is a nest with 5 eggs in our attic.
Be sure they aren't brining right dents in the house....or you could end up with respiratory issues. I hate autocorrect auto fill.....😥😥😥
Edited: bringing dead rodents....
@@chordsofgratitude2073 will do
@@chordsofgratitude2073 "Brining right dents?" What kind of dent is the right dent to brine?
@@StoneE4and after you find out which is the right dent to use, help me figure out how we are supposed to brine it!
Tres jolies! Merci beaucoup! 😊👍👍👍
weird question, i have a soft imprint, mainly just a social imprint. would it effect his temperament towards me if i bring home an eyass to imprint? not that he would get "jealous" per say but would or could he become confused or possessive of me?
Thanks ben❤
Hey Ben
Thanks for the info and insight you provide on this channel.
A couple topics I'd be interested in hearing you do a video on if you are so inclined:
1. Dogs in falconry, what to train for and how to get them to coexist with a bird
2. Falconry being used for nuisance bird abatement; what are your thoughts on the ethics of it and optics for the sport?
What's that second bird at 0:04 ? Thanks!
Hi Ben, would be great to see a video on hacking from your perspective. Cheers
So true! Let a bird be what it is meant to be; ultimately better for bird! Wonderful Thank you, Ben! I am working with a rescued, adult, female Kestrel, for educational purposes. She tolerates me & is sweet. Should she be trained to glove-eat? Pls recommend enrichment for bird with irreparably damaged wing/can't fly? txs 🥰😉
What about parrots?
Interesting video, I am not sure there is a "best of both worlds" With parent reared or passage birds we will never completely be part the birds "bubble". But they will have natural behaviour and be able to bred naturally in the future. With imprints we are part of their bubble, but at a massive loss of natural behaviour.
As Falconers we have to be very personally honest. Are we imprinting a bird for their benefit. Or because we want a more mammalian centric interaction with bird? Also if we chose to imprint. Do we accept a full life responsibility to that bird?
I have a video topic idea! Kites have always been my favorite BOP. I was wondering if they would be trainable and used to hunt in falconry! Kites like black winged kites, white tailed kites, Mississippi kites etc. Maybe it could fit into micro hawking!
I had a baby chicken who lost her flock and she imprinted on me and my dog and even after I was able to get her new chicken companions she still thought she was a dog and she hated the chickens and took a season for her to adjust and now she prefers the chickens over me and my dog but she still comes when I call and loves a good cuddle and scratches. Imprint I imagine can be difficult with a bird of prey, my chicken would cry for me and either try to be by the door or windows that she could see me through and would want to sleep next to my bedroom window on top of the dog house. Took long time to get her to settle once we got more chickens and now she sleeps with them but on occasion I find her trying to go to bed by my window and have to go put her back in her pen. She wud try to steal dog food or whatever u had even when she had plenty of food. With other chickens she now goes for the chicken food first and stops trying to steal dog food. I know birds of prey are different but any bird imprinted is a big giant handful. Atleast she thought she was a dog not a human and now she knows she's a chicken. She was constantly anxious wanting soothing and companionship even when she was with me or my dog she was restless until she excepted tge chickens and stopped beating them up and realized tgey like to graze like her and now she's content and not anxious or restless and only hollers if she doesn't see tgat a missing hen is laying she cries till she finds her sisters after they lay.
Have you ever read Gyrfalcon by Norman Barichello? The wild gyrs he observed would follow large mammals such as caribou, foxes and human skiers who would eventually flush out the ptarmigan they hunt. Some mated pairs stay together throughout the year to hunt together - one would flush the prey, the other would pursue. Falcons and covids scored the highest on the Lefebvre IQ Index.
How would you say an imprint falcon and a parrot may differ in personality? I am writing a medieval fantasy series that includes a white gyr as a character. Think Brian from Family Guy, but way more "realistic" shall we say? Brian sometimes has human girlfriends because cartoon logic. The white gyr has a human spouse and an (unfertilzed) egg on the way because imprint logic. I never handled actual birds before, so it is a little difficult for me to get the comparisons to parrots. Can you give some specific examples? Also, what gives them their "dumb" reputation?
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I've been flying imprints for 60 years and have not experienced any of the "problems" you are babbling about.
What have you done to not experience those problems
@@thelastfalconerl will be brief. Take the falcon at around twenty days. Keep them with around you as much as possible. Never let them get hungry. When they are hard penned call them to the just once a session and feed them up. Do not ever take food from them. You can reduce the food intake by the size of the meal. Proceed to flying every day.
@@thelastfalconerread, "High Flying Gyrfalcons" by Vic Hardaswick And Kent Christopher.
wolves are pack animals ...lmost raptors are not . that's why there's much less socialization and intelligence...that's why crows are so smart and hawks are so "dumb"