Great video. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. My first pc was a pre-built, and I then built all my pc's after that. I have an electronic degree and pc's are my hobby. Keep up the good work. We do not live in a world where people actually think things out fully before they speak out or post. Even though I build all my own pc's for the last 30 years , could I ever think about a pre-built, YES. Some of which I have seen I like a lot for the price and quality.
Well done. I think one of the best parts about your SI breakdowns, your teaching about the components too. A SI buyer now knows options for their build and can see a easy DIY upgrade path in the future.
Found your channel from your appearance on NOAB's stream. I am so glad I did. Everything you're saying here is absolutely true and I really wish more and more people in the PC gaming/DIY communities would get on board with this line of reasoning. Prebuilts don't have to suck, and they can be a great gateway into the hobbies for people that are less technically inclined. Great work, sir! I look forward to hearing more from you!
20:40 lol, i like this one. Some of us just need a pre-built, either for work, gaming or whatever and don't have time to mess with ordering parts or fixing things yourself. I've built two computers already. Great experience, learned a lot...now, I've got two kids, a busy job and ain't nobody got time for that. At least, in this time in my life, but everyone's different. Lots of variables and different needs out there. I've been missing out on all your good content. Keep it up dude!
@braethorn 100% I began with an Acer pre built with an Athlon dual core and 2gb of DDR2 RAM. 1st ever DIY upgrade was a GT 9600 with 500mb of VRAM. Now Im building a 7800x3d/RTX4080 rig to last me.for the next 5 years at 1440p
Love your videos and the way you present your thoughts in them. In 1996, I took a new packard bell PC and tore it apart. To this day, I still don't know why, I was just drawn to know how that damn thing worked. So, my wife walked in and found parts to our new PC spread all over creation and me digging through them. I caught the build bug and I caught it hard and have been building my own for a very long time. But it all started with a pre-built packard bell. (Yes, I'm old... lol)
Thank you! My gateway PC was, appropriately enough, a Gateway...though I'm pretty sure I caught the bug messing with my dad's Tandy 1000 at 6 years old ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Great video. Even as a HUGE DIY fan, this has basically been what I've preached for years. Whenever somebody asks me if I can build them a computer I always say "Yes....BUT...." then I always ask them what they want to do and how they want it to look. I throw some suggestions at them about aesthetics then I tell them that aesthetically pleasing hardware usually costs a little more. I put them together a list with prices of what it would cost for ME to build it for them with the parts I'd recommend for what they want, then I also present them with what it would cost for them to build the exact same computer themselves and offer to help and guide them if they choose to go that way, and also show them some options of what they want through various SI's that I trust based both on my experiences through the years and the assistance of you SI Weekly videos. They'll ask me questions regarding a lot of these misconceptions in this video and they'll go through what I've presented them and do some research and ask me some more questions then they'll make an informed decision. Sure, it cuts down on the computer builds I could potentially do, but I like it just as much when someone who's initial question to me was "Can you build me a computer" says "Thanks for helping me pick out what was best for me and my budget, it looks great and I really enjoy it" or something to that effect. That's how we all should be, PC enthusiasts in general, even if OUR preferred part of it is DIY.
Thank you! Honestly, one of the most rewarding things about this job is seeing people who were filled with anxiety over where to spend their hard earned money come back and say they're completely happy with the PC they got after watching my content. I wish I had more time to spend in our Discord, but I go there and read testimonials for that reason. Whenever I'm overly exhausted or stressed out by this job, reading those testimonials gets me right back in the game :)
Thanks for everything you do. I'm a teacher who works 80 hour weeks that likes to game in some of my free time. When I was younger, I did build my own pcs but now I don't have the time and I don't want to mess with it. My next machine will be a pre-built because of the convenience.
Managing expectations for the system you end up purchasing can be on the system integrator (Falcon Northwest,Alexander PC, Puget system) etc. You pay for that guarantee when you purchase a system through those builders. I expect the systems to work flawlessly without any issue and if there is an issue I expect it to be taken care of in the most seem less fashion. You pay for that service. With other system integrators I may not spend as much but those guarantees aren’t there either. An rma may take 2-3 weeks vs next day or 2 day freight service. Building a system is a great idea but it also has its drawbacks. And those can be expanded upon elsewhere. Ymmv as always.
I feel that managing expectations is also part of consumer education in general, and it's something I've preached consistently. It can be a major influence on the purchasing and ownership experience in any industry. You mentioned some aspects of the ownership experience that represent value that can be difficult to quantify for a first time PC owner. If a buyer expects that kind of high end customer service but doesn't want to pay for it, they're going to have a bad time. I feel like part of my job in this space is to highlight those elements, and I hope I get better at it.
Great video, Braetheon! Really hit the nail on the head with this one! Another thing to point out about the "just build it yourself, bro" crowd: they tend to be so entitled that they think that they should get special privileges for their skill in building PCs. I'm not talking about those thinking of turning it into a side job, I'm talking about these people who would buy from an SI because they're too lazy to build one or their skills have become rusty and dare to ask for a discount or price match because they can claim to do a better job. "Hurr durr I can build the same PC you're selling for way less." Good for you, I guess? Then go and build it yourself. Why would an SI price match that? Do you go into a restaurant and demand a discount because you can cook better than the chef, or go to an auto shop and demand a discount because you can fix your car better than the mechanics? These places will just tell you to do it yourself if you're so good and stop wasting their time. Some people couldn't tell an M.2 SSD from a RAM stick, let alone the difference between storage and memory, they just wanna game or work without thinking about how it works behind the screens. _And that's fine._ That's why SIs exist. Don't be the flippant, sociopathic jerkass who tells them to "just build it yourself, bro;" you're no different than the people who tell homeless people to "just buy a house, bro" to solve their problem.
Hi Braethorn, I loved this video and laughed pretty hard, very very very well done and you got the points across. By the way, your acting in the video was great. I could see you doing some acting the future. Thanks.
prebuilts are a great starting option and rather people admit it or not 90 percent more of pc gamers started on a prebuilt i started on a prebuilt now i build all my own but i still recommend them to plenty of people. also i dont know if you have reviewed them but VRLA tech is amazing and great prices
I've built my own for years and for the first time I bought a pre-built last year and it was just as good as what I would build. That is in part because I knew what parts to look for before buying.
If you ever want to check if I've looked into an SI, just type my name and the SI name into YT search. That's why I put the company names in the title of every episode of SIW :)
I watched as many vods and twitch streams as I could when looking into my first gaming pc. I gravitated the most to you Brae. Your philosophy on how to approach a system that works best for your needs/wants really resonated with me. I ended up getting a custom system from Cyberpower and my experience with the SI and the end product have left me completely satisfied and then some. Keep doing you and everyone will be better because of it.
Well spoken! You pointed me towards a prebuilt company (APC); but in this vid, you addressed some of the issues that some of my friends have brought up. Good quick link for those interested in a prebuilt
I think the most attractive point of prebuilts is in case you need to do warranty claims you only need to deal with a single point of contact. They can also help you with the troubleshooting in case of trying to figure out the problem yourselves, which IMO is a bigger pain points than assembling the PC yourselves, for that you cant go wrong as long as you bother to read instructions or watch a 10 minutes RUclips video on how to build a PC.
I'm in the market for 3 Gaming PCs. 2 For my children (3070s) and I want a 4090 prebuilt. I'm personally leaning towards NZXT or IBuyPower/CyberPower... But your videos are making things easier to narrow down :)
When I started shopping PCs I had multiple co workers tell me to build my own. I told them that sounds fun but 1) I've never done it before 2) I needed the PC for not just for gaming but also for my wifes business, so it needed to be done right the first time 3) I need technical support after the fact! I don't know how to troubleshoot technical issues on a PC! I feel like these are valid reason to go with a supported, quality, pre built but these people shrugged it off like "no you should build it, its less money and its easy." Anyway, I am enjoying my Centurion from Alexander PCs. It has been flawless for us. I'm happy with my decision!
i got a skytech pre build based on your review and others and it has been great... no problems thankfully and have upgraded the gpu and memory since i got it almost 2 years ago....
I bought my first PC back in 1986, it was a PCjr. Not long after I got it, I started hacking on it and adding things it was not designed for, like better sound card and a hard drive. After that, I started build all my own PCs. Over 30 years later, I am back to buying prebuilts as I don't want the hassle of researching all the different parts anymore and making sure I get parts that all work together and don't throttle data. I will not buy from places like HP or Dell anymore as I don't like the proprietary hardware and added garbage software they install. I have bought from a few differents SIs and like some more than others. I will say that some allow more customization than others, and some have better RMA policies than others, so do your research before picking one. I made the mistake of picking one in the past where you had to pay for return shipping on RMAs. Will not use them again.
It really is amazing how much a pre-built can ease newbies into DIY. Even with so much content for reference, jumping head first into DIY can be daunting to the point of giving up for some. Getting a pre-built means a fully working system with a warranty that you can upgrade if you so choose. Plus, with so many different SIs out there, everyone can find an option that suits them.
I really enjoyed the editing of this video and found it a bit comedic, I also found the video really informative about Pre-builts, I had some of the same misconceptions about them. I also feel like Pre-builts is almost always more expensive than DIY, so I will be going DIY for my first PC. (I read some of your replies and I see the reason why they are more expensive and its understandable)*
I rock an Aurora R15 13700/4080/64gb 5600/6TB M.2 and SATA storage. I've never had any problem and it runs everything on Ultra at 4k 120+ FPS. When I bought it, it was actually cheaper to buy it than build it. I've built several over the years and I'm good with my choice of buying a prebuilt.
i didnt know that any of these common concerns on prebuilt PCs , general concerns are price vs performance ( not the same thing as "too expensive"), but the real concern is OEM PSU, towers, and motherboards and issues that come from that as far how soon it will be ready for the land fill because of non standardized components .
Hey Braethorn I’m about to buy a pc soon and I’m going to do a custom build but I don’t know what company to purchase from. What companies actually care about getting my pc to me safely and can provide me with the best experience?
Glad that worked out for you! That doesn't work for everyone though, and you can't guarantee that everyone will have a reliable builder available to them, so I'd be hesitant to say that everyone should do the same. Warranties are nice, too :)
I just ordered a gaming PC from Alexander PC. Spoke to the owner. I expect this PC to do very well and will already recommend them. That is how impressed I am After speaking to the owner.
my opinions: for laptop and mini pc, just buy a prebuild from a reliable company/group; for a personal use desktop(gaming), build it your self; personal use for creativity/content creators, streamers should use those custom prebuild desktop ; for business desktop: goto any big name like lenovo, dell, hp and lease them
This was so funny 😂 it was a really great video hey braethorn I think you make really great videos ever time I watch one of your videos it makes me excited and it makes me wanna build my own pc even more but I need to save up to buy the parts but anyways great video👍🏻and I hope you have an amazing day and have fun at LTX.
I would like too thank you for your show.....you tought me to understand the basics of how to tell a good SI from a bad one. I was going to buy a Lyte computer but after watching your show I had a better idea and you saved me a lot of pain. I went with a Skytech and customer service was great and the prices. Thank you so much. You are the best. Keep up the good work. You also saved me $50 with code swarm. I am a lifelong subscribers.
Hey @breathorn was wondering about your opinion on the RDY Snowfall by IBuyPower just ordered one. Now I’m having second thoughts about my purchase like if it was worth the money? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
I started pc gaming 2 years ago with a prebuild 3700x with a 2060. GPU prices and availability werent fun back then the prebuild made a lot of sense. And now build my next with a 7800x3d and the 7900 xtx. Right now Im looking to get a pc for a friend of mine whos currently unable to afford a system. Im between buying him a prebuild or a used system , just shipping him my old system or building one for m myself.
There is only one(ish) reason why anyone should by a pre built. -You don't want to build it or you lack the skills. (Kinda obvious I know) It's fine to buy a pre built but if you have the time and the will to learn just build your PC. This is especially true if your going with a low end build, no point in buying a pre built. Its better to build and learn when your build is still "cheap" so if you do buy a pre built you at least have some knowledge when something goes wrong or when you want to upgrade said prebuilt.
Couple of other reasons: you get a general warranty and you don't have to deal with buying from 2-5 individual locations. Two hours of time and a warranty can be worth a couple of hundred bucks.
PC repair knowledge can be gained at any point, by anyone. It has nothing to do with whether the person built their PC or not. Sure, being familiar with the inside of a PC can help, but not that much. Troubleshooting is an entirely different skillset. From your perspective, the reason you give is simply the only reason you considered. That doesn't mean it's the only reason, it just means you don't consider the circumstances of others. I suggest you try to accept that the _MAJORITY_ of consumers who want to get a PC don't want to learn how to build them and that's okay.
@@braethorn Yeah i 100% agree. Most people just arent interested in building a PC, and for that reason the only real option is to buy a prebuilt. Most people just don't really care about what PC they get as long as it looks nice (Or decent) and performs well at a decent cost.
@@Altsncro Well, at least now they have a dedicated channel to go to so they know what they're buying! And here's a secret between you and me...I'm going to have a series soon that will slowly turn everyone into DIY enthusiasts
I just subscribed to your page. I am not a computer guru at all. I give you a ton of props teaching us. I am purchasing a racing simulator and I was wondering if you could help me buy the OC for it. I was looking at the Velox by Digital Storm. I was trying to stay under $2000 for my pc. Thanks
Great video Brae 🥰💪😇👍. The other thing to with boutique builders / SI’s etc is some may do the upgrades from a standard pc build that you’re not confident in doing …. You may be able to build a standard pc …. But you may like rgb and hardline tubing 🤩🤤and there are builders out there that do these higher end builds and do all the hours and days of measurements, cutting, constructing etc so you don’t have to do it and waste money, resources and time🥳🥳🤩👍. Family and friends in the past have come to me wanting a pc or laptop and said I was told this cpu or GPU or storage was the go to …… I looked at them and gave them better options for the same money or way better build / specs for literally 10-15% more and would last them for many years of their needs …than just a couple years and buy a new setup again. Also as mentioned, with an OEM, SI etc , you don’t end up being someone’s 24hr tech support on call which for me is a great thing!
I bought from build redux pc's and got an i7 12700k and 3080ti and I would never build my own pc because if it doesn't turn on I'll be furious and I don't need the frustration of things not working... it's only a couple hundred dollars more for the security for knowing it's been tested I'll pay for that 7 days a week
I feel you. Most people who buy pre-builts understand that they're paying more for the convenience. Then some joker has to come in and be like DID YOU KNOW IT'S CHEAPER TO BUILD YOURSELF?? Like they cracked the code or something lmao
I bought gaming laptops my whole life, coz I kept traveling around the world, so a desktop was always "out of sight". Now I have a house and my dream is to buy a desktop that does everything that all my laptops couldn't do. And I'm stuck. So many companies, so many prices, so many options, I'm actually depressed, because I can't figure it out where to go, where to buy from and what to buy. I can tell you where I live, what my options are and what my budget is for what I want to do, which is mainly playing and recording gameplay. My dream is to have a RUclips channel, where I can share my knowledge about specific games. Can you help me, please? Alex.
Check out my other episodes in this series! I go over a lot of SIs. I can't tell you which would be right for you, but I can provide information about them so you can make an informed decision :) You can also check out "SI Testimonials" in our community Discord (link in description). Many members of the community have shared their experiences there, and it's divided up by SI. If you're already interested in a particular company, that's the best place to start.
Listen there are some good pre-builts out there, just dont expect to find it at bestbuy, if thats your only option you are probably better off buying a over priced laptop or a gaming console.
Honestly? Things have improved over there. A big change has been iBUYPOWER, who have started selling systems in the Y40 and their new Trace Mesh case at BB. They also carry Corsair Vengeance systems! Still, I always recommend buying directly from the SI, unless you intend to use a BB credit card. And NO GEEK SQUAD, THANKS.
@@braethorn fair enough, its just not meant for me and i should [not] turn people away from these functional pre-builts. now here is the real question. which is better pot roast or beef stew?
why would a PC builder not want build a PC for someone against the price of prebuilt, its not like the price vs performance is going to be hard to compete with, as well customer service issues of present day . Im not saying you cant do a refurb/renew/upgrade on an old 4th gen Xeon executive office PC that sold new for 5k and now sells 250$ used though and bring huge value to a consumer .
My first 2 pcs were prebuilts....and both had bad boot drives and snooty customer service/technical support(especially digital storm...the guy shamed me for "only"spending $1300 for my pc so what was i expecting?)...now i build my own but only because i actuality enjoy building them
There's nothing wrong with buying a pre built. Of course it's going to be more expensive than building it yourself but do know that pre built pcs don't have any real good value until you reach a critical mass of cash (Usually above 1k USD). So, if your going for ultra budget it's usually better to build it yourself.
Sometimes. The reason I've brought up the Alexander PCs Auxilia multiple times is that it costs nearly the same as going DIY, plus you get a lifetime warranty. Retail prices fluctuate, of course. Either way, "better" is subjective, and most people who are buying pre-built understand that they're paying more for the convenience and peace of mind.
This might come off as an odd thing to say as someone who reviews PCs, but pre-built PC reviews aren't that useful in the traditional sense, even when secret shopping like GN does. From a research perspective, the data gathered from a sample size of one is hardly reliable. The proof of this is in the disparity between the first and second Skytech review. Same SI, vastly different results in build quality between just two systems. As it turns out, the most important information that came out of the second Skytech review was after its publication: the response from Skytech's CTO. Rather than judging a system integrator based on one or two systems, we had a clear representation of the way Skytech handles issues like this. No shifting of blame, no gaslighting, no excuses. Hardware manufacturers like Gigabyte and ASUS could learn a lot from Jeff's response. In this sense, I believe that LTT does a better job with their Secret Shopper series, which unfortunately has yet to be brought back. They will soon from what I understand. Either way, I've since shifted the philosophy of my own pre-built reviews from focusing on performance metrics of the individual system to a more general snapshot of the experience of buying, setting up and testing a system from ____ SI. Does it overheat? Y/N Is it built fairly well? Y/N If it's pre-configured, does the config make sense? Y/N How well is it packed? Bloatware? Documentation? BIOS settings? You get the idea. All of this is not to say that I don't think GN's pre-built reviews aren't useful, I just think that writing off an entire SI based on one or two systems doesn't make much sense. SI's should be judged on the products they are producing now, and improvements should be acknowledged. This is a whole other topic and I won't get into it here, but I went over it in much greater detail in this video: ruclips.net/video/l74YbP0Z8ZM/видео.html
That's why I went into the reasons for the added cost of pre-builts...it's expensive to run an SI. If not for those who are willing to pay part mark-ups and build fees, that 70% of consumers who buy pre-built would only have OEM options. System integration is a crucial industry.
Dell is perfectly fine. I like Dell. However I wish they would use less custom pinouts/proprietary plugs on their mobos & PSUs. If they're going to continue on the route I wish they would open source the specs as they move to newer versions of those parts.
I'm so excited I ordered my AMD auxilia from Alexander PCs. I stumbled across him by chance an liked what he had an bought my first PC 💯💯 I can't wait.
I agree with about 99% of your assessments,but that FNW guy needs to cut back on the hot pockets n soy milk.SI's gotta make a dollar especially when you get the rig game ready out of the box,you have windows installed ,bios and drivers updated,plus most of them pay the shipping,so support your local SI's
Ha ha ha ha love the acting, every time on Reddit when I see people saying build your own you can save money, I like to reply build your own car you will save money XD
lol thank you! That's why I had the "guy in the audience" say "what a revelation, I know!" Obviously it's cheaper to change your own oil, cook all your own meals, build your own deck, and build your own PC. I hope those redditors are following that mindset in every aspect of their lives :P
I didn't pull the trigger on that 4th of July special Skytech had and I'm kind of kicking myself. You put up with way more ridiculousness than I could ever handle, dude. Two decades ago, before the biggest share of IRL shopping venues turned into big box hell, I sold prebuilt computers (and cordless phones and alarm clocks and resistors and flux and...) because unless someone was lucky enough to have a super nerd for a parent/family member, that's how you got a computer. And, I mean, LBR, during REALLY early days of DIY computers, those things were not pretty. Like, not even a little. Anyway, tl;dr I bet the biggest percentage of people who insist that prebuilt is anathema probably started out using a prebuilt. Have fun at the show, dude!
Damn I will get hate mail next, I only mentioned building your own is so you can learn how to build a PC, If you can afford a pre-build ain't no-one going to listen to me the little sim racer, I am saying it for people who not got the luxury to throw out 2 grand for a PC, Or maybe wants to teach their kids how to put a PC together, I got a very good mate who bought a pre-build PC, The reason I wanted to put a PC together because that's all it is, Putting parts onto a motherboard, After all it is 2020's, Look I am not dissing what ever it is system integrators, Not at all, I worked producing Hip Hop on pre-build PC's It is only recently that I put a PC together, And yes I will be doing another for Music production, And thanks to learning about PC's I got an idea of what specs I needs, Damn bro, I only mentioned it because I find it better to learn how to do things yourself, I didn't even know you concentrated on system integrated PC's, Damn bro I didn't mean to offend you that much, I like to be as honest as possible so yeah the last comment was me, Something I wrote, Like I said I only mentioned it because you learn building it yourself, Sorry bro, I wont message or watch your show again bro, Never in my You Tube history have I had a person do this, Sorry bro, I will just reply to people who build their own PC's, Made me feel terrible, Thanks bre, Didn't think I would touch a nerve that bad, I actually wanted to do some Graffiti designs on PC for pre-builds or push some ideas out, I got world class Graffiti art on my doorstep with the people I know, So I am not hating on Pre-builds bro, I am just saying if you build it yourself you can fix it yourself, If you not got time why listen to me, Buy a pre-build, Damn bro this never happened to me before, Wondering what to do now, Coz that was a bit much for a little comment..........
I didn't name you in the video or call you out in any way. There have been some truly hateful comments on my videos, and I didn't want to show those, so I showed yours. I certainly didn't intend to make you feel bad. In fact, this whole video is intended to get people thinking, help them reconsider how their comments might affect others. Though your comment wasn't insulting, it was dismissive, and a random person could have stumbled upon your comment and felt awful about the fact that they don't want to build their first PC. I doubt you set out to make anyone feel that way, right? You have to understand, I've gotten hundreds of comments with someone saying "just build it yourself." When I read your comment and you said those same words over and over and over and over, it was genuinely frustrating for me. There are benefits to DIY. I know that. Everyone knows that. But some people won't or can't, and they shouldn't be verbally beaten over the head for it, even if you meant well. Your comment was generally positive, and I appreciate that. But it also made for a funny moment in a video, and it helped to explain my point. Don't let it get you down.
@@braethorn Your mad bro, Stereotyping a person in that way, Portraying that person to be stupid or dumb, Some cry baby childish sillyness, Yeah put the comment up but taking time to blue screen yourself acting in some childish way, All you had to do was reply, Didn't have to make a video about it, To get positive views, Or views, Bro you got 90 thousand subscribers, I got about 5, So I don't see how people are going to listen to me, Sorry I ever commented, I just feel it being the era it is, Isn't it good for people to learn to put a PC together, If you can't or not got the time fair enough, Jump on a pre built, I won't lie, It bothered me seeing that video Stereotyping a person you don't know, I ain't no big you tuber like yourself, I'm staggered you even done this making out someone something there not, I am 100 percent honest in everything I do, It's why I said it was me, actually I got nothing but respect in what you do, I didn't think I was making people feel bad about buying a pre-build, I apologize for that, Damn there is no need in doing this video, All you had to do was reply with something other than build your own or something bro, I might contact you tube about this because that is a bit out of order bro, Like I said I am 100 percent honest, You can't do vids like this regardless of what people say, It's called freedom of speech, I just think that was a crap idea, I think you should take it down to be honest, I have got heart disease and I am bothered by this video, Wether you didn't name me or anything, A reply explaining that I was bothering you with comments and I would of stopped saying comments, It's true with the birth of you tube you can build a PC, I didn't know people who read the comment felt bad about buying a PC, How am I supposed to know that, lol... Sorry bro but that vids a little bit out of order, Stereotyping me like that for view's, I am emailing You Tube about this because it's bothering me now....
@@kylecockerham7985 I just don't like the idea of portraying a person into something they are not, I apologize if I can't help be honest, I was raised to be honest, Plus you don't know my mental status, The fact I suffer from complex post trauma, This have bothered me, You don't see other honest you tubers making a video purely on comments, Like I said I'm just a little SIM racer dude, Who thinks learning how to put your own PC together is beneficial as you learn, What is the point in going through life not learning how to do things, I just feel insulted, And yes an what, I use erb to treat the CPTSD that I suffer from, I you knew what complex PTSD is then you might just understand how it effects you mentally, It's a dirty move portraying another in a false pretence like that, All he had to do was to ask please stop commenting and I would of, As again I like to be transparent and honest, All because I think it's a good thing putting your own PC together as you learn, I am offended it's as simple as that, I know I hit a nerve because he took time in filming those skits, I mentioned to him I used pre-build PC for years, I only just put my own PC together, I am actually still learning, Will always be learning, That is why I love the PC world, As it's a great learning curve, And as always computers is and will be the future, So isn't it just good practice to learn, Pre-build PC companies are good for finding out what is compatible ect, Not just for purchasing PC's, Wouldn't you want your loved ones to know how to put a PC together, Or don't you want to learn how to put a PC together, You know it makes sense, This dude should be embracing both markets, Like there is plenty of companies who want pre-build PC's, I just feel offended by it, It's making someone out to be what they are not, If I could buy a TV that you could put together I would, Simply because it would be great to learn the in and outs of how everything works, Not because of anything else, You can say what you want but there is no need in a dude acting out some stupid unprofessionalism over a few comments, I mean you tube shows you how to do almost everything you need to fix things, Thanks to people who upload the educational content, I just think it is better to learn if it is possible, And learning to put your own specific PC together is only benefitial, Plus it also feels good for people like myself who actually do suffer from mental health to get that sense of achievement, From getting something done yourself, I'm sorry I ever commented on the first place, Nobody else as ever come close to acting out a scene like that to any comments I have wrote, I have only had positive feedback in comments I wrote, This is a first, Probably why I am so bothered by it, But like I said I suffer from Complex post trauma, I don't take well to stupidity on my behalf, Making me out to be something I am not from a few comments that was not hateful in any way, Childish immature behaviour over a few comments that made sense, Maybe I am not a hateful or aggressive person, I am definitely not childish in that manner or stupid to the fact of being indinial of a situation you can't control, You can't just insult people over a comment that was not insulting in any way, I really do wish I never even commented in the first place now, I am wondering how I can get his vids to stop without being hateful and reporting the situation, Coz yeah I am honest enough to say I am bothered, I have never had any badness from You Tube in all the years I been on RUclips this have never happened before, I don't know what that says about people, But it says I am not an aggressive spiteful person, Every comment I have ever put up have received positive feedback, But this one have not, Why be hateful to me if I am not hateful to him, Like I said I wish I never commented in the first place...
That's perfectly fair to say! For your individual perception of value, FNW doesn't line up. It means they're not the right SI for you and you're not the right customer for them. If you DID buy from them, you wouldn't be happy, and neither you nor FNW wants that. Part of my job is showing a broad spectrum of SIs so you can see which one makes the most sense for you :)
@@braethorn A markup of nearly 2000 dollars, doesn't scream "wonderful value" I understand your meaning but Falcon Northwest is basically robbing you with a 4060/I5 13600k for nearly 3500 dollars.
@UTFapollomarine7409 Oh yeah I sure did. Put the whole build into PC part picker, 1000w PSU and z790, 6000mhz rgb ram. Whole build was 1600 dollars. Falcon Northwest is up-charging nearly 2 grand.
I'm guessing you're talking about OEMs. If so, you're right! Very few of those are worth a damn. SIs are the opposite. Most are good. The ones that aren't get roasted by me. Here's a fun fact that most DIY hobbyists don't consider: the average enthusiast might build 10 PCs in their lifetime, while the average system integrator employee might do that in a single day of work. Yet some joker who just built their second PC will claim that employee "doesn't know how to build PCs lolol." Ohh the irony.
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Great video. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. My first pc was a pre-built, and I then built all my pc's after that. I have an electronic degree and pc's are my hobby. Keep up the good work. We do not live in a world where people actually think things out fully before they speak out or post. Even though I build all my own pc's for the last 30 years , could I ever think about a pre-built, YES. Some of which I have seen I like a lot for the price and quality.
Well done. I think one of the best parts about your SI breakdowns, your teaching about the components too. A SI buyer now knows options for their build and can see a easy DIY upgrade path in the future.
Thanks!
Found your channel from your appearance on NOAB's stream. I am so glad I did. Everything you're saying here is absolutely true and I really wish more and more people in the PC gaming/DIY communities would get on board with this line of reasoning. Prebuilts don't have to suck, and they can be a great gateway into the hobbies for people that are less technically inclined.
Great work, sir! I look forward to hearing more from you!
Awesome, glad you liked it! I had to make this one after like 2 years of repeated comments lol
20:40 lol, i like this one. Some of us just need a pre-built, either for work, gaming or whatever and don't have time to mess with ordering parts or fixing things yourself. I've built two computers already. Great experience, learned a lot...now, I've got two kids, a busy job and ain't nobody got time for that. At least, in this time in my life, but everyone's different. Lots of variables and different needs out there. I've been missing out on all your good content. Keep it up dude!
Getting a pre built was how I started building pcs :) started with small upgrades and then built 3 pcs after learning
Same here!
YES. It's funny how many DIYers seem to forget that and change their tune once they're reminded of the humble origins most of us share!
@braethorn 100% I began with an Acer pre built with an Athlon dual core and 2gb of DDR2 RAM.
1st ever DIY upgrade was a GT 9600 with 500mb of VRAM.
Now Im building a 7800x3d/RTX4080 rig to last me.for the next 5 years at 1440p
Love your videos and the way you present your thoughts in them. In 1996, I took a new packard bell PC and tore it apart. To this day, I still don't know why, I was just drawn to know how that damn thing worked. So, my wife walked in and found parts to our new PC spread all over creation and me digging through them. I caught the build bug and I caught it hard and have been building my own for a very long time. But it all started with a pre-built packard bell. (Yes, I'm old... lol)
Thank you! My gateway PC was, appropriately enough, a Gateway...though I'm pretty sure I caught the bug messing with my dad's Tandy 1000 at 6 years old ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Great video. Even as a HUGE DIY fan, this has basically been what I've preached for years. Whenever somebody asks me if I can build them a computer I always say "Yes....BUT...." then I always ask them what they want to do and how they want it to look. I throw some suggestions at them about aesthetics then I tell them that aesthetically pleasing hardware usually costs a little more. I put them together a list with prices of what it would cost for ME to build it for them with the parts I'd recommend for what they want, then I also present them with what it would cost for them to build the exact same computer themselves and offer to help and guide them if they choose to go that way, and also show them some options of what they want through various SI's that I trust based both on my experiences through the years and the assistance of you SI Weekly videos. They'll ask me questions regarding a lot of these misconceptions in this video and they'll go through what I've presented them and do some research and ask me some more questions then they'll make an informed decision. Sure, it cuts down on the computer builds I could potentially do, but I like it just as much when someone who's initial question to me was "Can you build me a computer" says "Thanks for helping me pick out what was best for me and my budget, it looks great and I really enjoy it" or something to that effect. That's how we all should be, PC enthusiasts in general, even if OUR preferred part of it is DIY.
Thank you! Honestly, one of the most rewarding things about this job is seeing people who were filled with anxiety over where to spend their hard earned money come back and say they're completely happy with the PC they got after watching my content. I wish I had more time to spend in our Discord, but I go there and read testimonials for that reason. Whenever I'm overly exhausted or stressed out by this job, reading those testimonials gets me right back in the game :)
@@braethorn Always nice to actually have someplace to see your work pay off.
Thanks for everything you do. I'm a teacher who works 80 hour weeks that likes to game in some of my free time. When I was younger, I did build my own pcs but now I don't have the time and I don't want to mess with it. My next machine will be a pre-built because of the convenience.
Managing expectations for the system you end up purchasing can be on the system integrator (Falcon Northwest,Alexander PC, Puget system) etc.
You pay for that guarantee when you purchase a system through those builders.
I expect the systems to work flawlessly without any issue and if there is an issue I expect it to be taken care of in the most seem less fashion.
You pay for that service.
With other system integrators I may not spend as much but those guarantees aren’t there either.
An rma may take 2-3 weeks vs next day or 2 day freight service.
Building a system is a great idea but it also has its drawbacks. And those can be expanded upon elsewhere.
Ymmv as always.
I feel that managing expectations is also part of consumer education in general, and it's something I've preached consistently. It can be a major influence on the purchasing and ownership experience in any industry. You mentioned some aspects of the ownership experience that represent value that can be difficult to quantify for a first time PC owner. If a buyer expects that kind of high end customer service but doesn't want to pay for it, they're going to have a bad time. I feel like part of my job in this space is to highlight those elements, and I hope I get better at it.
Great video, Braetheon! Really hit the nail on the head with this one!
Another thing to point out about the "just build it yourself, bro" crowd: they tend to be so entitled that they think that they should get special privileges for their skill in building PCs. I'm not talking about those thinking of turning it into a side job, I'm talking about these people who would buy from an SI because they're too lazy to build one or their skills have become rusty and dare to ask for a discount or price match because they can claim to do a better job.
"Hurr durr I can build the same PC you're selling for way less." Good for you, I guess? Then go and build it yourself. Why would an SI price match that? Do you go into a restaurant and demand a discount because you can cook better than the chef, or go to an auto shop and demand a discount because you can fix your car better than the mechanics? These places will just tell you to do it yourself if you're so good and stop wasting their time.
Some people couldn't tell an M.2 SSD from a RAM stick, let alone the difference between storage and memory, they just wanna game or work without thinking about how it works behind the screens. _And that's fine._ That's why SIs exist. Don't be the flippant, sociopathic jerkass who tells them to "just build it yourself, bro;" you're no different than the people who tell homeless people to "just buy a house, bro" to solve their problem.
Hi Braethorn, I loved this video and laughed pretty hard, very very very well done and you got the points across. By the way, your acting in the video was great. I could see you doing some acting the future. Thanks.
Thank you! Not sure about acting in the future, but I did a lot of it in the past. It felt good to ham it up a bit :D
prebuilts are a great starting option and rather people admit it or not 90 percent more of pc gamers started on a prebuilt i started on a prebuilt now i build all my own but i still recommend them to plenty of people. also i dont know if you have reviewed them but VRLA tech is amazing and great prices
I've built my own for years and for the first time I bought a pre-built last year and it was just as good as what I would build. That is in part because I knew what parts to look for before buying.
If you ever want to check if I've looked into an SI, just type my name and the SI name into YT search. That's why I put the company names in the title of every episode of SIW :)
I watched as many vods and twitch streams as I could when looking into my first gaming pc. I gravitated the most to you Brae. Your philosophy on how to approach a system that works best for your needs/wants really resonated with me. I ended up getting a custom system from Cyberpower and my experience with the SI and the end product have left me completely satisfied and then some. Keep doing you and everyone will be better because of it.
Just bought the ibuypower y40. Will be paying attention to temps
Awesome! If you want to help others out, snap some pictures of it and share a testimonial on the Discord!
Prebuilts saved me during the shortage. Was able to get that rtx 3080 and 12900k system from origin
Yup, that's what kickstarted this series. Hunting down GPU inventory at various SIs. It really was the only way to go.
Well spoken! You pointed me towards a prebuilt company (APC); but in this vid, you addressed some of the issues that some of my friends have brought up. Good quick link for those interested in a prebuilt
Thank you!
I think the most attractive point of prebuilts is in case you need to do warranty claims you only need to deal with a single point of contact. They can also help you with the troubleshooting in case of trying to figure out the problem yourselves, which IMO is a bigger pain points than assembling the PC yourselves, for that you cant go wrong as long as you bother to read instructions or watch a 10 minutes RUclips video on how to build a PC.
The tech support really makes it a great starting point for future DIY enthusiasts :D
I'm in the market for 3 Gaming PCs. 2 For my children (3070s) and I want a 4090 prebuilt. I'm personally leaning towards NZXT or IBuyPower/CyberPower... But your videos are making things easier to narrow down :)
Glad to hear it!
When I started shopping PCs I had multiple co workers tell me to build my own. I told them that sounds fun but 1) I've never done it before 2) I needed the PC for not just for gaming but also for my wifes business, so it needed to be done right the first time 3) I need technical support after the fact! I don't know how to troubleshoot technical issues on a PC! I feel like these are valid reason to go with a supported, quality, pre built but these people shrugged it off like "no you should build it, its less money and its easy." Anyway, I am enjoying my Centurion from Alexander PCs. It has been flawless for us. I'm happy with my decision!
i got a skytech pre build based on your review and others and it has been great... no problems thankfully and have upgraded the gpu and memory since i got it almost 2 years ago....
Awesome!
I bought my first PC back in 1986, it was a PCjr. Not long after I got it, I started hacking on it and adding things it was not designed for, like better sound card and a hard drive. After that, I started build all my own PCs. Over 30 years later, I am back to buying prebuilts as I don't want the hassle of researching all the different parts anymore and making sure I get parts that all work together and don't throttle data. I will not buy from places like HP or Dell anymore as I don't like the proprietary hardware and added garbage software they install. I have bought from a few differents SIs and like some more than others. I will say that some allow more customization than others, and some have better RMA policies than others, so do your research before picking one. I made the mistake of picking one in the past where you had to pay for return shipping on RMAs. Will not use them again.
It really is amazing how much a pre-built can ease newbies into DIY. Even with so much content for reference, jumping head first into DIY can be daunting to the point of giving up for some. Getting a pre-built means a fully working system with a warranty that you can upgrade if you so choose. Plus, with so many different SIs out there, everyone can find an option that suits them.
what pc would u recommend for 1,300
I really enjoyed the editing of this video and found it a bit comedic, I also found the video really informative about Pre-builts, I had some of the same misconceptions about them. I also feel like Pre-builts is almost always more expensive than DIY, so I will be going DIY for my first PC.
(I read some of your replies and I see the reason why they are more expensive and its understandable)*
You beat me to it :P
I rock an Aurora R15 13700/4080/64gb 5600/6TB M.2 and SATA storage. I've never had any problem and it runs everything on Ultra at 4k 120+ FPS. When I bought it, it was actually cheaper to buy it than build it. I've built several over the years and I'm good with my choice of buying a prebuilt.
i didnt know that any of these common concerns on prebuilt PCs , general concerns are price vs performance ( not the same thing as "too expensive"), but the real concern is OEM PSU, towers, and motherboards and issues that come from that as far how soon it will be ready for the land fill because of non standardized components .
Great informative video!
Great job Sir! Content Creativity
Thanks! Can't go 90 episodes and not change it up now and then lol
Hey Braethorn I’m about to buy a pc soon and I’m going to do a custom build but I don’t know what company to purchase from. What companies actually care about getting my pc to me safely and can provide me with the best experience?
Pay someone to custom build it for you. I did. V happy with the system
Glad that worked out for you! That doesn't work for everyone though, and you can't guarantee that everyone will have a reliable builder available to them, so I'd be hesitant to say that everyone should do the same. Warranties are nice, too :)
@@braethorn very true. Acknowledged that some might just MIA on you.
Hope for the best for everyone out there
Hi could you recommend any prebuild or custom build brands🌸🌸💗💗💗
That's what this whole series is for! New videos about SIs every week, check the past couple of episodes for recommendations :)
I just ordered a gaming PC from Alexander PC. Spoke to the owner. I expect this PC to do very well and will already recommend them. That is how impressed I am After speaking to the owner.
Yeah, TJ has that effect. He's good people. Congrats!
You should be a member of SAG. That was right on acting! Love it.
This means a lot, honestly. Thank you. Acting was my dream career back in the day.
my opinions: for laptop and mini pc, just buy a prebuild from a reliable company/group; for a personal use desktop(gaming), build it your self; personal use for creativity/content creators, streamers should use those custom prebuild desktop ; for business desktop: goto any big name like lenovo, dell, hp and lease them
This was so funny 😂 it was a really great video hey braethorn I think you make really great videos ever time I watch one of your videos it makes me excited and it makes me wanna build my own pc even more but I need to save up to buy the parts but anyways great video👍🏻and I hope you have an amazing day and have fun at LTX.
Thank you! I need to let myself be funny in my videos more often haha
I would like too thank you for your show.....you tought me to understand the basics of how to tell a good SI from a bad one. I was going to buy a Lyte computer but after watching your show I had a better idea and you saved me a lot of pain. I went with a Skytech and customer service was great and the prices. Thank you so much. You are the best. Keep up the good work. You also saved me $50 with code swarm. I am a lifelong subscribers.
This is why my channel is what it is. Thank you for the support! LGN!!!
Hey @breathorn was wondering about your opinion on the RDY Snowfall by IBuyPower just ordered one. Now I’m having second thoughts about my purchase like if it was worth the money? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
My Spectrum 48K was pre-built. I'm looking to upgrade it with a 4090 soon.
That's a big ol upgrade right there
I started pc gaming 2 years ago with a prebuild 3700x with a 2060. GPU prices and availability werent fun back then the prebuild made a lot of sense. And now build my next with a 7800x3d and the 7900 xtx. Right now Im looking to get a pc for a friend of mine whos currently unable to afford a system. Im between buying him a prebuild or a used system , just shipping him my old system or building one for m myself.
Let's go nerds! Hope you're well my man!
Yo thanks man! Same to you!
There is only one(ish) reason why anyone should by a pre built.
-You don't want to build it or you lack the skills. (Kinda obvious I know)
It's fine to buy a pre built but if you have the time and the will to learn just build your PC. This is especially true if your going with a low end build, no point in buying a pre built. Its better to build and learn when your build is still "cheap" so if you do buy a pre built you at least have some knowledge when something goes wrong or when you want to upgrade said prebuilt.
Couple of other reasons: you get a general warranty and you don't have to deal with buying from 2-5 individual locations. Two hours of time and a warranty can be worth a couple of hundred bucks.
and in case you need warranty claims you only need to deal with a single point of contact.
PC repair knowledge can be gained at any point, by anyone. It has nothing to do with whether the person built their PC or not. Sure, being familiar with the inside of a PC can help, but not that much. Troubleshooting is an entirely different skillset.
From your perspective, the reason you give is simply the only reason you considered. That doesn't mean it's the only reason, it just means you don't consider the circumstances of others. I suggest you try to accept that the _MAJORITY_ of consumers who want to get a PC don't want to learn how to build them and that's okay.
@@braethorn Yeah i 100% agree. Most people just arent interested in building a PC, and for that reason the only real option is to buy a prebuilt. Most people just don't really care about what PC they get as long as it looks nice (Or decent) and performs well at a decent cost.
@@Altsncro Well, at least now they have a dedicated channel to go to so they know what they're buying! And here's a secret between you and me...I'm going to have a series soon that will slowly turn everyone into DIY enthusiasts
I just subscribed to your page. I am not a computer guru at all. I give you a ton of props teaching us. I am purchasing a racing simulator and I was wondering if you could help me buy the OC for it. I was looking at the Velox by Digital Storm. I was trying to stay under $2000 for my pc. Thanks
That what I did at first the started up my prebuilt then I built 2 pc it takes time to do research in to the parts that most might not do
Can't please everyone when it comes to pre-built PC's I'm looking at Alexander PC for my next computer
Great video Brae 🥰💪😇👍. The other thing to with boutique builders / SI’s etc is some may do the upgrades from a standard pc build that you’re not confident in doing …. You may be able to build a standard pc …. But you may like rgb and hardline tubing 🤩🤤and there are builders out there that do these higher end builds and do all the hours and days of measurements, cutting, constructing etc so you don’t have to do it and waste money, resources and time🥳🥳🤩👍.
Family and friends in the past have come to me wanting a pc or laptop and said I was told this cpu or GPU or storage was the go to …… I looked at them and gave them better options for the same money or way better build / specs for literally 10-15% more and would last them for many years of their needs …than just a couple years and buy a new setup again.
Also as mentioned, with an OEM, SI etc , you don’t end up being someone’s 24hr tech support on call which for me is a great thing!
very good vid i have a prebuilt from skytech love the thing!
I bought from build redux pc's and got an i7 12700k and 3080ti
and I would never build my own pc because if it doesn't turn on I'll be furious and I don't need the frustration of things not working... it's only a couple hundred dollars more for the security for knowing it's been tested
I'll pay for that 7 days a week
I feel you. Most people who buy pre-builts understand that they're paying more for the convenience. Then some joker has to come in and be like DID YOU KNOW IT'S CHEAPER TO BUILD YOURSELF?? Like they cracked the code or something lmao
these little skits are hilarious 😅😅😅
facts 😂😂😂
FACTS
For real though, that's a dope hoodie...
The Short Circuit hoodie is honestly my favorite.
@@braethorn is that a coming soon or retired one? I checked your S.E. storefront and it wasn't one of the 4 I saw available.
@ixdispartan oh it's from Linus Tech Tips lol
I bought gaming laptops my whole life, coz I kept traveling around the world, so a desktop was always "out of sight". Now I have a house and my dream is to buy a desktop that does everything that all my laptops couldn't do. And I'm stuck. So many companies, so many prices, so many options, I'm actually depressed, because I can't figure it out where to go, where to buy from and what to buy. I can tell you where I live, what my options are and what my budget is for what I want to do, which is mainly playing and recording gameplay. My dream is to have a RUclips channel, where I can share my knowledge about specific games. Can you help me, please? Alex.
what company do you recommend for someone never owning a desktop trying to get into it don't care about looks just want bang for the buck
Check out my other episodes in this series! I go over a lot of SIs. I can't tell you which would be right for you, but I can provide information about them so you can make an informed decision :)
You can also check out "SI Testimonials" in our community Discord (link in description). Many members of the community have shared their experiences there, and it's divided up by SI. If you're already interested in a particular company, that's the best place to start.
Listen there are some good pre-builts out there, just dont expect to find it at bestbuy, if thats your only option you are probably better off buying a over priced laptop or a gaming console.
Honestly? Things have improved over there. A big change has been iBUYPOWER, who have started selling systems in the Y40 and their new Trace Mesh case at BB. They also carry Corsair Vengeance systems! Still, I always recommend buying directly from the SI, unless you intend to use a BB credit card. And NO GEEK SQUAD, THANKS.
@@braethorn fair enough, its just not meant for me and i should [not] turn people away from these functional pre-builts.
now here is the real question. which is better pot roast or beef stew?
@@blueridgeocean Pot roast. FACT.
@@braethorn CORRECT! 🌟
why would a PC builder not want build a PC for someone against the price of prebuilt, its not like the price vs performance is going to be hard to compete with, as well customer service issues of present day . Im not saying you cant do a refurb/renew/upgrade on an old 4th gen Xeon executive office PC that sold new for 5k and now sells 250$ used though and bring huge value to a consumer .
Can you please test custom luxe pc's?!?!?!
My first 2 pcs were prebuilts....and both had bad boot drives and snooty customer service/technical support(especially digital storm...the guy shamed me for "only"spending $1300 for my pc so what was i expecting?)...now i build my own but only because i actuality enjoy building them
Well some of these are still kind of true.
I stated my case, feel free to explain your viewpoint :)
There's nothing wrong with buying a pre built. Of course it's going to be more expensive than building it yourself but do know that pre built pcs don't have any real good value until you reach a critical mass of cash (Usually above 1k USD). So, if your going for ultra budget it's usually better to build it yourself.
Sometimes. The reason I've brought up the Alexander PCs Auxilia multiple times is that it costs nearly the same as going DIY, plus you get a lifetime warranty. Retail prices fluctuate, of course. Either way, "better" is subjective, and most people who are buying pre-built understand that they're paying more for the convenience and peace of mind.
Pretty entertaining not going to lie
Thank you! Went out on a limb for this one and I'm glad you guys seem to like it :D
@@braethorn you're out here doing the Lord's work, brother.
walmarts,bestbuy,target prebuilts is pretty much trash but with some knowledge they can be great
LET'S GO NERDS!!!
WOOOOO
Hmm what about Gamers Nexes skewed results? I don't they were picking only bad vendors?
This might come off as an odd thing to say as someone who reviews PCs, but pre-built PC reviews aren't that useful in the traditional sense, even when secret shopping like GN does. From a research perspective, the data gathered from a sample size of one is hardly reliable. The proof of this is in the disparity between the first and second Skytech review. Same SI, vastly different results in build quality between just two systems.
As it turns out, the most important information that came out of the second Skytech review was after its publication: the response from Skytech's CTO. Rather than judging a system integrator based on one or two systems, we had a clear representation of the way Skytech handles issues like this. No shifting of blame, no gaslighting, no excuses. Hardware manufacturers like Gigabyte and ASUS could learn a lot from Jeff's response. In this sense, I believe that LTT does a better job with their Secret Shopper series, which unfortunately has yet to be brought back. They will soon from what I understand.
Either way, I've since shifted the philosophy of my own pre-built reviews from focusing on performance metrics of the individual system to a more general snapshot of the experience of buying, setting up and testing a system from ____ SI.
Does it overheat? Y/N
Is it built fairly well? Y/N
If it's pre-configured, does the config make sense? Y/N
How well is it packed? Bloatware? Documentation? BIOS settings?
You get the idea.
All of this is not to say that I don't think GN's pre-built reviews aren't useful, I just think that writing off an entire SI based on one or two systems doesn't make much sense. SI's should be judged on the products they are producing now, and improvements should be acknowledged. This is a whole other topic and I won't get into it here, but I went over it in much greater detail in this video: ruclips.net/video/l74YbP0Z8ZM/видео.html
Just as long as everyone knows to stay away from Dell and HP. 😠
That's why I went into the reasons for the added cost of pre-builts...it's expensive to run an SI. If not for those who are willing to pay part mark-ups and build fees, that 70% of consumers who buy pre-built would only have OEM options. System integration is a crucial industry.
Dell is perfectly fine. I like Dell.
However I wish they would use less custom pinouts/proprietary plugs on their mobos & PSUs.
If they're going to continue on the route I wish they would open source the specs as they move to newer versions of those parts.
@@suranae That's the reason I don't care for OEMs like Dell, HP, Lenovo. Those are OK for office use, but not for gaming.
I'm so excited I ordered my AMD auxilia from Alexander PCs. I stumbled across him by chance an liked what he had an bought my first PC 💯💯 I can't wait.
That's a great system! Glad the content helped :)
Please tell me how it is I was looking at the same one
I agree with about 99% of your assessments,but that FNW guy needs to cut back on the hot pockets n soy milk.SI's gotta make a dollar especially when you get the rig game ready out of the box,you have windows installed ,bios and drivers updated,plus most of them pay the shipping,so support your local SI's
Who is making good prebuilt for the money
the ugly crying got me. LGN!!!
HAHAHA I had my doubts about leaving it in but I just had to
Corsair prebuilds get a motherboard with a locked BIOS that Corsair will not help you with. Don't buy their stuff.
Huh. I'll have to ask Corsair about that. Pretty sure they'll be at LTX.
Ha ha ha ha love the acting, every time on Reddit when I see people saying build your own you can save money, I like to reply build your own car you will save money XD
lol thank you! That's why I had the "guy in the audience" say "what a revelation, I know!" Obviously it's cheaper to change your own oil, cook all your own meals, build your own deck, and build your own PC. I hope those redditors are following that mindset in every aspect of their lives :P
I didn't pull the trigger on that 4th of July special Skytech had and I'm kind of kicking myself.
You put up with way more ridiculousness than I could ever handle, dude.
Two decades ago, before the biggest share of IRL shopping venues turned into big box hell, I sold prebuilt computers (and cordless phones and alarm clocks and resistors and flux and...) because unless someone was lucky enough to have a super nerd for a parent/family member, that's how you got a computer. And, I mean, LBR, during REALLY early days of DIY computers, those things were not pretty. Like, not even a little.
Anyway, tl;dr I bet the biggest percentage of people who insist that prebuilt is anathema probably started out using a prebuilt.
Have fun at the show, dude!
Exactly! That last point is what truly rustles my jimmies. "Do as I say, not as I do" is the worst.
Thanks though! I'm really stoked for LTX!
Damn I will get hate mail next, I only mentioned building your own is so you can learn how to build a PC, If you can afford a pre-build ain't no-one going to listen to me the little sim racer, I am saying it for people who not got the luxury to throw out 2 grand for a PC, Or maybe wants to teach their kids how to put a PC together, I got a very good mate who bought a pre-build PC, The reason I wanted to put a PC together because that's all it is, Putting parts onto a motherboard, After all it is 2020's, Look I am not dissing what ever it is system integrators, Not at all, I worked producing Hip Hop on pre-build PC's It is only recently that I put a PC together, And yes I will be doing another for Music production, And thanks to learning about PC's I got an idea of what specs I needs, Damn bro, I only mentioned it because I find it better to learn how to do things yourself, I didn't even know you concentrated on system integrated PC's, Damn bro I didn't mean to offend you that much, I like to be as honest as possible so yeah the last comment was me, Something I wrote, Like I said I only mentioned it because you learn building it yourself, Sorry bro, I wont message or watch your show again bro, Never in my You Tube history have I had a person do this, Sorry bro, I will just reply to people who build their own PC's, Made me feel terrible, Thanks bre, Didn't think I would touch a nerve that bad, I actually wanted to do some Graffiti designs on PC for pre-builds or push some ideas out, I got world class Graffiti art on my doorstep with the people I know, So I am not hating on Pre-builds bro, I am just saying if you build it yourself you can fix it yourself, If you not got time why listen to me, Buy a pre-build, Damn bro this never happened to me before, Wondering what to do now, Coz that was a bit much for a little comment..........
I didn't name you in the video or call you out in any way. There have been some truly hateful comments on my videos, and I didn't want to show those, so I showed yours. I certainly didn't intend to make you feel bad. In fact, this whole video is intended to get people thinking, help them reconsider how their comments might affect others. Though your comment wasn't insulting, it was dismissive, and a random person could have stumbled upon your comment and felt awful about the fact that they don't want to build their first PC. I doubt you set out to make anyone feel that way, right?
You have to understand, I've gotten hundreds of comments with someone saying "just build it yourself." When I read your comment and you said those same words over and over and over and over, it was genuinely frustrating for me. There are benefits to DIY. I know that. Everyone knows that. But some people won't or can't, and they shouldn't be verbally beaten over the head for it, even if you meant well.
Your comment was generally positive, and I appreciate that. But it also made for a funny moment in a video, and it helped to explain my point. Don't let it get you down.
@@braethorn Your mad bro, Stereotyping a person in that way, Portraying that person to be stupid or dumb, Some cry baby childish sillyness, Yeah put the comment up but taking time to blue screen yourself acting in some childish way, All you had to do was reply, Didn't have to make a video about it, To get positive views, Or views, Bro you got 90 thousand subscribers, I got about 5, So I don't see how people are going to listen to me, Sorry I ever commented, I just feel it being the era it is, Isn't it good for people to learn to put a PC together, If you can't or not got the time fair enough, Jump on a pre built, I won't lie, It bothered me seeing that video Stereotyping a person you don't know, I ain't no big you tuber like yourself, I'm staggered you even done this making out someone something there not, I am 100 percent honest in everything I do, It's why I said it was me, actually I got nothing but respect in what you do, I didn't think I was making people feel bad about buying a pre-build, I apologize for that, Damn there is no need in doing this video, All you had to do was reply with something other than build your own or something bro, I might contact you tube about this because that is a bit out of order bro, Like I said I am 100 percent honest, You can't do vids like this regardless of what people say, It's called freedom of speech, I just think that was a crap idea, I think you should take it down to be honest, I have got heart disease and I am bothered by this video, Wether you didn't name me or anything, A reply explaining that I was bothering you with comments and I would of stopped saying comments, It's true with the birth of you tube you can build a PC, I didn't know people who read the comment felt bad about buying a PC, How am I supposed to know that, lol...
Sorry bro but that vids a little bit out of order, Stereotyping me like that for view's, I am emailing You Tube about this because it's bothering me now....
@@braethorn And I wasn't a person who done a hate full comment by the way.....
@@mad-b264bro how much did you smoke? You talkin kinda crazy
@@kylecockerham7985 I just don't like the idea of portraying a person into something they are not, I apologize if I can't help be honest, I was raised to be honest, Plus you don't know my mental status, The fact I suffer from complex post trauma, This have bothered me, You don't see other honest you tubers making a video purely on comments, Like I said I'm just a little SIM racer dude, Who thinks learning how to put your own PC together is beneficial as you learn, What is the point in going through life not learning how to do things, I just feel insulted, And yes an what, I use erb to treat the CPTSD that I suffer from, I you knew what complex PTSD is then you might just understand how it effects you mentally, It's a dirty move portraying another in a false pretence like that, All he had to do was to ask please stop commenting and I would of, As again I like to be transparent and honest, All because I think it's a good thing putting your own PC together as you learn, I am offended it's as simple as that, I know I hit a nerve because he took time in filming those skits, I mentioned to him I used pre-build PC for years, I only just put my own PC together, I am actually still learning, Will always be learning, That is why I love the PC world, As it's a great learning curve, And as always computers is and will be the future, So isn't it just good practice to learn, Pre-build PC companies are good for finding out what is compatible ect, Not just for purchasing PC's, Wouldn't you want your loved ones to know how to put a PC together, Or don't you want to learn how to put a PC together, You know it makes sense, This dude should be embracing both markets, Like there is plenty of companies who want pre-build PC's, I just feel offended by it, It's making someone out to be what they are not, If I could buy a TV that you could put together I would, Simply because it would be great to learn the in and outs of how everything works, Not because of anything else, You can say what you want but there is no need in a dude acting out some stupid unprofessionalism over a few comments, I mean you tube shows you how to do almost everything you need to fix things, Thanks to people who upload the educational content, I just think it is better to learn if it is possible, And learning to put your own specific PC together is only benefitial, Plus it also feels good for people like myself who actually do suffer from mental health to get that sense of achievement, From getting something done yourself, I'm sorry I ever commented on the first place, Nobody else as ever come close to acting out a scene like that to any comments I have wrote, I have only had positive feedback in comments I wrote, This is a first, Probably why I am so bothered by it, But like I said I suffer from Complex post trauma, I don't take well to stupidity on my behalf, Making me out to be something I am not from a few comments that was not hateful in any way, Childish immature behaviour over a few comments that made sense, Maybe I am not a hateful or aggressive person, I am definitely not childish in that manner or stupid to the fact of being indinial of a situation you can't control, You can't just insult people over a comment that was not insulting in any way, I really do wish I never even commented in the first place now, I am wondering how I can get his vids to stop without being hateful and reporting the situation, Coz yeah I am honest enough to say I am bothered, I have never had any badness from You Tube in all the years I been on RUclips this have never happened before, I don't know what that says about people, But it says I am not an aggressive spiteful person, Every comment I have ever put up have received positive feedback, But this one have not, Why be hateful to me if I am not hateful to him, Like I said I wish I never commented in the first place...
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Falcon Northwest is SUPER overpriced. 13600k in a $3500 build? Nah.
That's perfectly fair to say! For your individual perception of value, FNW doesn't line up. It means they're not the right SI for you and you're not the right customer for them. If you DID buy from them, you wouldn't be happy, and neither you nor FNW wants that. Part of my job is showing a broad spectrum of SIs so you can see which one makes the most sense for you :)
@@braethorn A markup of nearly 2000 dollars, doesn't scream "wonderful value" I understand your meaning but Falcon Northwest is basically robbing you with a 4060/I5 13600k for nearly 3500 dollars.
@UTFapollomarine7409 Oh yeah I sure did. Put the whole build into PC part picker, 1000w PSU and z790, 6000mhz rgb ram. Whole build was 1600 dollars. Falcon Northwest is up-charging nearly 2 grand.
im fine with pre-builds if the price is lower from make-build a same pc with same specs otherwise pre-builds are not worth it
Well, MOST prebuilts are bad, not all. A blind squirrel will find a nut from time to time.
I'm guessing you're talking about OEMs. If so, you're right! Very few of those are worth a damn. SIs are the opposite. Most are good. The ones that aren't get roasted by me.
Here's a fun fact that most DIY hobbyists don't consider: the average enthusiast might build 10 PCs in their lifetime, while the average system integrator employee might do that in a single day of work. Yet some joker who just built their second PC will claim that employee "doesn't know how to build PCs lolol." Ohh the irony.