Why Tesla Needed The Giga Press
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- One machine looks set to revolutionize the future of auto manufacture, and it really is a pretty big deal. Weighing about the same as five space shuttles, it takes 24 flatbed trucks just to deliver it from the manufacturer, and it doesn’t even fit inside the original Tesla factory.
Join us as we explore how and why Elon Musk is putting the squeeze on his competitors and investigate why Tesla installed the 430-tonne Gigapress.
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Why Tesla Needed The Giga Press
The robot union ain't gonna be happy about this!
Customers definitely will, with lowered costs and better efficiency, also with less problems
This machine single handedly put 300 robots off the job. Lol
What in the hell is left for us if robots are putting robots out of work?
@@hamooblanu1365 babajijaka thullu
@@hamooblanu1365 actually a good point i was thinking too
2 weeks ago a report came that many engineers will become obsolete by 2022 end
@@Subhrajyoti As an engineer who drowns under the load of work, that looks like totally not true. Maybe partly true for some special kind of engineer, but i actually dont know any good engineering friend without a decent job.
@@petermarcsik2109 i m not talking about forein
i m talking about india .U will find a lot of engineers here becuz there are many engineering colleges including government and private
I find it hilarious that soybean oil is the best lubricant
Oh no
That what sh# the Soyboy said.
Probably cheaper
@eblman "Yeah what do you think that means when you are eating it….." absolutely nothing. we eat plenty of oils used as lubricants from coconut to canola.
I have used olive oil in a chainsaw, only oil I had nearby. (only used to lubricate the chain, as the saw is electrically powered)
"putting the squeeze on his competitors" I see what u did there ...
I dont get it can you please explain?
Reminds me of when the Germans used massive presses to forge magnesium parts for the
Uftwaffe. We stole some of their presses as war trophies, used them for decades. Those were presses. This was a die cast machine.
I was going to mention that. I believe that press was to mold then firewall piece on the ME109. This held the engine mounts and the landing gear mounts. That is why the gear was so narrow. The metal used was something they called Elektron which I assume was an alloy of aluminum and magnesium.
These molds are inspected regularly, and when material is found missing (always along the parting line) the tool is repaired via laser welding.
When I was working on Vespas years ago we totalled countless scooters because of that big exoskeleton frame of theirs. It would be interesting to see how they allow repair of smaller parts of the frame without the whole thing being written off.
What was the reason it was written off though? Specifically, what was the damages to the exoskeleton and what usually caused it?
Was your experience with Vespa that these damages could have been fixed and they weren't because of the cost, or were these just completely unsalvageable with the then current known technologies?
Typically it was because of a crash. Someone could drop it or have a slow crash and the side of the vehicle would get scraped up pretty good. To have someone clean up the damage and paint it costs more than the 70% of value of the vehicle number almost every time. That 70% is where most insurance companies draw the line and will total the bike. The other thing that would have is a front end collision such as rear ending a car could fold the front of the scooter in. Any damage that needed frame repair was almost always a total.
Well, aluminum can be welded. And screws in aluminum body after 7 years of exposure to environment are useless anyways, because of aluminum oxide caking up and seizing the threads. And bolts.
Well, Tesla is trying to what Apple has been doing to it's customers; they want you to change the car or device more frequently. Amy other minor benefits to the customers are just a by product.
Hmm there are also advantages to using the traditionel process. Usually metals that have been properly mechanical and heat treated show better mechanical properties than with casting. You can control the micro structure of the metal when you roll or forge a part. Also with casting you might have to make some compromises with wall thickness in order to make the metal flow correctly. You need a certain wall thickness to make the metal flow into every part of the molding.
“Why Tesla needs the Giga-Chad”
Turns out Giga Chad uses Soy for lube.
I'm not sure what was meant by skipping the CNC step? CNC usually refers to parts that are machined (Granted maybe in this case you are using it to refer to the assembly line? But I don't think that is the correct terminology). The Motor Compartment and Rear Compartment are (were in Tesla's case) assembled from primarily stamped sheet metal parts which are then assembled by welding, gluing, bolting, etc robotic assembly lines.
There are very few CNCed parts in a Cars Frame, that would be just too expensive as the output is too slow.
thats the same guy that said that everything from toys to cars are injected molded by injecting molten metal in a mold
at 6:10 that guy must have been feeling so proud that day when the camera crew asked if they can film when he is working and they end up saying giga press is a good way to get rid of those needless labourers 😂
Proudness is a silly emotion. Everyone should live for their own happiness, not for doing their things to show off to others what they do.
Without watching the video, I can say without a doubt they needed this to fix the door gaps. Luxury vehicles should not have manufacturing defects.
It is the rear part of the chasis, so they didn't adresse the door gap issue
My Model-3, and my neighbour's Model-S (both early 2020 builds) have perfect gaps. We were at an owners' club meeting a month ago. There were around 30 - 40 cars there. This gap issue was a subject for discussion. All late production (2020 onwards) had no gap or paint issues. Seems Tesla has addressed this.
Door gaps are just cosmetic most of the time. It really doesn't matter unless it's actually interfering with the ability to open.
This channel had improved so much in just one year. That's for quality content. However, I would suggest to speak a bit slower as there's too much information to handle in a very short time.
i agree
Me 2
You could slow the playback to 0.75x. There's other RUclipsrs I have to do that with. 😊👍
@@NeutronStream yes i did that thanks but just wanted to let them know for next clip cheers
@Justin Time 😂
Time will tell how this approach pans out. I hope it does work out.
Tesla is really doing some revolutionary things.... :)
Lol.....
Lol.....
True
Tesla didn't make the gigapress lol
@@SamSam-jm8qq No one applied it like this in the car manufacturing process, you smartass. Lol.
I operate a 300 ton press daily that thing looks gigantic compared to mine 😂
What do you use it for?
@@andyhill7612 forming all sorts of different metals. For all sorts of companies like automotive and Hospitals. Such things as putting together the housing units for MRI machines to be situated in
This one covers larger area. So much bigger part. For a particular metal or alloy force equired must be similar but size will vary.
@@soorajj9207 true. But still Id have to say about 10 times the size 😅
I work with a 650 ton press and thought it was big 😅 i do plastic moulding tho but it’s kind of the same thing
Mr. Spock would approve of the logic behind Gigapress manufacturing.
This should revolutionize the world of manufacturing!!!
Its a injection moulding machine that injects liquid aluminium into a die.
I miss why you need the press part? The process described is just how a mold works? There is no need for pressure with the process described
The entire cast weighs hundreds of pounds, yet is filled in ~20ms. This is extremely fast and only extreme pressures can contain that injection speed
@@colinsouthern Good analogy Colin - "controlled explosion"...
3:37 when my mum calls me for dinner and it isn't even ready yet
Can't wait to see SpaceX gigapress
3::05 *"all die casting from toys (shows Lego) ...work on the principle of forcing molten metal into a reusable mold..."*
Well, that would be injection molding for Lego, and while practically the same process, it certainly is not done with molten metal lol
so youre telling me plastic legos arent made with metal? wow!
All of the other car makers now have a test bed to see how this hugely expensive piece of equipment works. Such as how do the metallurgical compromises they had to make impact both long and short term quality of the frame. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
Can you organize only tesla video with playlist?
Awesome inovation step
Next in 2030: Tesla is all comprised of one part
You sit in the mold, and the car is injected around you !
@@cjjuszczak lol this comment is truly underrated 🤣
@@cjjuszczak may be possible if we are surrounded by better heat shielded capsule 🤣lol
@@jaiganeshbaskar9888 it'll be fine, just tell the customer to apply a generous layer of sunscreen before entering the Gigapress, or as we'll market it "The Tanmaster 5000" :)
@@cjjuszczak loll 😂
I am not so sure about pressure die casting.
Things I handled produced this way were not that rigid that I'd want such parts in my car.
You opinion is irrelevant for car safety. If it would be not safe, it would not get onto the road. There are many safety certification programs between the car manufacturer and the consumer.
MY GOD!... You are RIGHT! Phone Tesla NOW and tell them to fire Elon and appoint you CEO instead.
excellent giga press technology
i am curious about the durability and stiffness of that casted components - can they compete with drawn/wielded components? how safe are these on car crashs?
Tesla cars are the safest cars tested by NHTSA - the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. EVs are safer than conventional ICE (internal combustion engine) vehicles as they are less likely to roll over due to the low centre of gravity of the battery pack. Also because their is no large engine in the front more of the front of an EV is a better performing crumple zone. Tesla's Model 3 & Y received top marks from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
The same technology is being used for the current front, center and rear castings. That is also true for cast components used for structural and crumple components. Castings even today provide a complex form without the need for multiple parts/fastening with conventional press shop components
@@SmartMart1658 Also note that the battery pack alone provides excellent chassis protection. It takes a much more colossal side pole impact to actually bend the chassis with a battery pack than with the undercarriage of a gas car because the battery pack alone has extreme reinforcements.
I would like to see him use Hemp like Henry Ford did just to prove the auto makers wrong again
The Aptera electric car is making its car out of 5 different pieces of cast resin that includes the use of hemp. By using resins and other substances they get the same effect and benefits of the gigacast without the giant press.
Would love to see all the weed memes resurge from that
Fremont California is spelled wrong, but great vid overall.
People who disliked this video are ignorant.
Tesla haters.
ignorant is thinking you know anything about the people who disliked it or why. welcome to youtube. 😂😂😂
I would call it an injection mold machine. It is not a press as it does not work with a blank. It is not extrusion as the part does not flow out of the tool. It is not casting as the part is formed not poured.
It's die casting....
That GigaPress is the muscle car of injection molding machines!
DT on that "press" would sure be expensive
Hey tech vision can you talk about Qualcomm tech
“Freemont” lol
😂😂
Why would you compare the weight to space shuttles?
You don’t have some spare space shuttles laying in your kitchen cabinet to compare to? 😉
What should he use by comparison? Hamsters? Amoeba? Higgs Bosons?
@@brunosmith6925 I had to look up Higgs Boson
Use a plane to drop heavy steel shapes on aluminum sheets. Cover Texas with it and scoop up parts as you need them. 😂
I would love to see a full demo of these gigapresses. What does one cost from the vendor in Italy?
Time is one resource which will be saved in the making process of new Tesla vehicles. When this gigapress operates at full scale, we will see magic happen in the production speeds.
Now I want to see what kind of robot make the giga press robot
The giga press is kinda behind the times this sort of tech has been around since ww2 and the heavy press program where presses up to 80000 tons were built which are still used today for things like aircraft manufacturing
So, what better idea do you have?
Evidence please... Besides, The IDRA machine is not a press. It is fundamentally an injection mould.
Tesla needs GIGA CHAD
Lol, when I was a kid I actually thought that cars where built this way.
It's all fun and games until the government forbids you from recharging your car.
Man ....This guy is visionary
Really nice video, thank you
But I have a question: what are the disadvantages of the Giga press?
the end of the video.
Cheaper to manufacture but way more expensive to repair
Doesn’t Volkswagen already have a bigger car body press in wolfsburg???
Incredible
Even robot are losing their jobs
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I predict it won't be long before Porsche does something similar. But in pursuit of a better performing car, rather than strictly for cost and labor reduction. Fine by me. I'd rather push a 911 than drive a Tesla.
Wow it's pressure die casting 🤣 things on my books are being used on realtime by these guys.
Thank you
What you think about Byd blade battery technology
Not sure who’s crazier. The dude who bought the machine or the dude who thinks that someone is definitely going to buy a giant toy car maker.
This takes the road of phones. They became compact and simpler. Then they turned out to be “non repairable”.
40% cost reduction here and 5% reduction there, Weight reduction here and there.. By the time we see these cars in 3 years they will be much lighter cheaper and hence a lot more efficient
The thing is Tesla was, and still is in a unique position to take a vantage of this no manufacturer could get away with this. Tesla was considered a growing company they could afford to run in the red because they had investors willing to see them take a loss in the hopes of being profitable one day let any American automotive manufacturer, any European automotive manufacturer any Asian pacific automotive manufacturer tell their investors hey we’re going to go into the red next year the stock would crash. Tesla had the time while they were in the red to make investments like this, they had investors willing to put up the money while they made investments like this. More traditional manufactures don’t have that luxury.
I love the crash excuses.
If you do much as get in a fender bender where the airbags go off...it's often totalled. If you've destroyed the parts this thing is making, you took a big hit and it's probably a write off.
Most of the internal combustion vehicle manufacturers invest huge money in research and development, Current production cars have many spare parts. What they are thinking is once we sold car to customer they always dependent to service spares and replace new car with new one. This type of business is running many decades. But tesla simplyfied in automobile and break through innovations in tesla car and production manufacturing. This will seriously irritate manu other ICE vehicle manufacturers. Tesla type of cars are the future. Others are mush follow or quit thats the only thing. Next big headache is energy crisis and battery cost and efficiency. Toyota next level battery solve all these issues with big big price tag only for battery. Customer end result however we pay hefty for cars whatever the vehicle type or manufacturing advancements. This video is very helpful. thanks.....
The casting process described is a little inaccurate based my 4 years in the aluminum casting industry experience. Material is held and melted in a furance and poured in a shot sleeve via some external robot (horizontal chamber casting). The cavity is rarely vacuum sealed and instead (to remove air during the casting process) the molds have vents for air and excess aluminum to escape. I'm not sure about the silicon filter, the goal is to push the molten (now cooling) material into the mold via the shot sleeve as fast as process (200 to 400 IPS). Then the casting, while cooling in the mold) is hit harder again (intensified shot) to break any air bubble out and increase fill. The tanks show in the video are used to do this and hold nitrogen that is compressed with hydraulic fluid to store pressure like a capacitor.
Price?
What’s its turn around? How many “parts” can it make per hour?
Turn-around is between 180 and 186 seconds (3 minutes). Working 12 hours a day, that's 240 to 250 parts per day. Assuming Tesla could operate this "round the clock", each machine could spit out 500 parts per day. (Machines would probably need an hour out of each 24 for set-up, calibration and maintenance.
I think it's over for the humans. Congratulations to our future cybernetic rulers.
It's like he owns the Company and he will do whatever he wants or whatever comes in his mind like Tony Stark
Such monolithic design is only viable for mature designs. This tells us the rear is going to change more slowly from now on.
yeah, maybe they can fire 300 robots but this press need a medium foundry, lab, quench tank, and a lot of additional equipment. Maybe whole process is cheaper, but will we see that price drop in cars price? For sure not, and that this part cannot be fix or weld, only replaced. It will cause a lot of mild defect second hand cars to be scrapped. Not so good for environment but great for tesla shareholders..
Sounds great
Robots taking robots over.
What video editor do you use for your blue graphics
MS Paint
To see a 8000 ton press machine working must be a show
8000tons is not that big tbh.
@@alanmay7929 LOL. You've obviously never seen an injection molding machine. The biggest one I've ever seen is 1500 tons, and I work in the industry.
@@mnotlyon injection molding is a totally different machine, wrre talking about metals here, IDRA and other companies makes die cast machines for space/aviation and many other industries.
@@alanmay7929 While the process is slightly (very slightly) different, they're both injection molds. I've built molds for both machines for over 35 years.
The machine builder couldn't care less what industry they're building the machine for.
@@mnotlyon they are still different machines that operate with vary different temperatures and many other parameters. Injection molding is relatively low pressure compared to pressured die casting.
Tesla is amazing
tesla is moving so fast even robots are losing their jobs XD XD
Sad
Using the oldest industrial process: Molding.
Not to mention, a more recyclable vehicle.
So what do they use the CASTING MACHINE for ?
Just watch the video
@@illuzati My point is that those parts of the car he's talking about are made with a CASTING MACHINE not a GIGA PRESS. I don't need to watch the video. It has a stupid title.
@@eldiablo8019 Search up what giga means.
@@eldiablo8019 Giga press is just a silly name Elon gave to a large casting machine.
@@lachlanB323 Search up what casting means.
"Molten-hot injection" 😂😂
I just hope doors won't become single part with chassis as well
I'm sure drivers and passengers aren't really all that essential to the driving process.
Well done video
I think we can make such automatic machines as well.
The best part is no part
Why have you changed channel name?
You spelled Fremont wrong.
Eventually the entire car will be one piece except for four wheel-motor units, a battery, and doors that get glued on while you use it, then discarded.
(Half-joking, referring to how cell phones work now.)
Tesla cars be more affordable then, people like us able afford one too.
Still no sure about it, the repair issue seems to be huge.
weve reached an era where robots are putting robots out of job
Soybean oil lmao @3:56
I expect insurance cost to skyrocket as more cars are totalled out from previously repairable accidents.
4:52 maybe watch the video before you comment
@@user-RCST That's not even possible, if the frame is a solid piece, bolting a new frame wouldn't be possible.
@@guruxara7994 bolting and welding are two different things.
From robots taking over humans to robot taking over robot
To say that bigger car companies don't do it, because they cannot reinvent der production line is a bit wild. Their will be other reasons. Daimler build new lines for Mercedes in the last few years, they put out more cars with higher quality. For me this whole thing seems like it's cheaper, so make it work, doesn't matter if it is better for the costumer or whatever. I get Unibody Macbook vibes here, beginning of the end to right of repair. Like a lot with Tesla. Stop treating everything they do as a big revolution ...
Understanding the reason why other manufacture don't do it is the first step in innovation.
Aluminum has galvanic corrosion with steel when is not properly done. Solvable if you have the know how. Is common in aircraft industry (not spacecraft industry). Tesla has ran into galvanic corrosion issue before in the past.
Casting has a minimum gauge, so you may not be saving weight. If you have a large envelope to design in, use minimum gauge, and box section. If is a small envelope, then use thick gauge. Here is a very large volume. Question if they are saving weight.
Root cause of problem was Tesla had a poor design to begin with. Way too many pieces stitched together. Sounds like engineering was trying to finish the project to beat schedule, and push the issue onto manufacturing. Sandy Munro recommend replacing those little pieces with one casting. Elon evidently decided to replace the entire subframe.
Design is all about details. That can make or break your design.
The main reason legacy OEM's won't use this tech is the billions they have invested in their current mfg infrastructure. Because these companies are managed by accountants and "MBA" graduates, they make decisions based on short-term profitability, because their very jobs, salaries and bonuses are based on this business model. To abandon billions of dollars (euro, yen, pounds) of fixed assets, and invest more billions in different technologies would severely impact these companies finances and profits - and because short-term profit is what they operate on, they lack the courage to do this.
He had me at bat-rees, shassies...and al-yoo-min-yum.
This press is from Italy
One "e" in Fremont.
Tesla and Musk very famous in India
And now 300 robots will end jobbles on the streets how the tables have turned
Fremont, not freemont*
Leading the way.
Lol...
@@alanmay7929 Whats funny?
@@alanmay7929 spammer