I legit was disappointed that I didn't do this now... No, I'm not the type who skip story. I actually play games cuz I wanna KNOW the story. But I make a vow to myself (lol, so dramatic) that I will turn Caelus into a certified troll and will be mean as all hell when I see Sampo or the Stellaron Hunters because it's lore accurate. And Caelus, rejecting Kafka's request is definitely in character with that image I know Kafka's story now, but man, do I wanna skip it all so I can spit on their speech about 'nobody have any true will' thing 😂
@@nvrp13It's a bit funny that she does mention that you saying no could have been a possibility that elio simply chose not to tell her, and that either way she will find a way to do things with or without you and that you will still in some way help her change, really feeds into their "no true free will as all actions already have a list of possibilities it could lead to", motto but at the same time showing that Kafka does value your choices and hopes that what you do whether it's what she intially wanted or not leads to a future she is striving to make happen with the stellaron hunters.
@@skullkrusher-dx4kgYou keep saying this is every reply you do, but in my truth and lies game she uses that question as her lie and says no to if it's predetermined or not, meaning it is.
@@Goldiloxz I was also curious, so I looked it up: Anonymous: (Trailblazer), I'm Kafka Kafka: Just FYI, it's been a journey, but I'm unharmed Kafka: Does free will exist? I can't say for sure, but you've made your own choice, transforming a nascent possibility into reality. Kafka: This is wonderful to you and I, two people both enslaved by fate Then it looks like you get 3 response options: 1 (Trailblazer): Take care, Kafka 2 (Trailblazer): Thank you. Stop contacting me 3 (Trailblazer): Gone again, huh? Error: Recipient does not exist
@@dekozagudesu9802Callus: now let me use my parallel-universe-computer(youtube) to see what happened if I did join her... YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SEE POSSIBILITIES ELLIO
The funny part about this is Kafka herself said she prefers it if Trailblazer would decide for herself and go against Ellio's script. And she said in a strangely ecstatic way back in the opening mission of the game.
As expected from HSR, where dialogue actually has impact to the story. You can literally end your game earlier if you refused to go with the Astral Express at the beginning of the game.
Wait so in the side quest you can avoid fighting or end the quest earlier depending on your answer? I never read all the dialogue and just tap the answer randomly
Narrator: When stelle went to the space station,she decided to board the train Stelle: chose to stay Narrator:What,nonononono,this wasn't supposed to be on the script,why would you decide to stay,you could have met new people and beat the final boss and have fun,but you chose to stay in Herta's space station and decided to be a researcher?well this story isn't for you
honestly, when I played I was too interested in the background of PC, so I didn't refuse much, so I got the other side of the coin, if you're collaborative you don't get much info either
So interesting the last time the player was given a choice like this, the game straight up ENDED. But here, the quests just ends and you can go about your business. Heck, you even get an achievement for it. In any future quests involving Kafka or Blade, are they going to remember these previous actions?
while dialogue might change, the story wont. Its like Kafka and elio say, theres no free will only an exhaustive list of possibilities, becasue theyre in a game and theyre aware of the limitations. whatever the devs write is all that can happen
this is interesting. she was literally begging us to stay, but in the way that we fell like she’s just telling that we might regret it. i really want to see what she really thinks of us and i wonder how can our decisions like in this quest change our relationships.
It's more like we have proven destiny can be changed if you choose this, of course. Until now, she thinks the script was 100 percent guaranteed, but you just proved it was wrong, and you can make your own choices outside the script that Elio gives so in short we make our own destiny
@@birgaripadam7112exactly, but this makes me question: how will this effect the next encounter with the stelleron hunters? If we went along with Kafka, then blade would know our existence, and the TB canonically wouldn’t know this info, so I wonder how the dev team will fix this next story quest, with this, I wonder if this will have an effect on how we “change” Kafka, but either way, cool way of doing the quest, wished that I didn’t do it the other way (was scared of losing the rewards.), and I hope their is more like this in the future.
It's super interesting how much you learn about Kafka in this interaction, the way she talks about fate as something that's just different lines that lead to similar places, how Elio taught her this, makes you wonder what her life before was, what her worldview was like. She also says that you can change her, maybe this is the way Elio promised her that she would be finally able to feel real fear, maybe later in the story we will do something that will scare her, maybe threaten her life, maybe she will care enough about us that when our life is threaten she will be afraid for us. The detail of her changing her tone of voice near the end is such a good decision from the dub's director cause she sounds geniuenly sincere, like she actually wants us to break fate, to make our own future. I know people don't like Kafka, she's a criminal and a manipulator, she's basically Makima but more morally grey, but I honestly feel all the Stellaron Hunters are fairly complex characters with interesting stories and that we'll eventually discover what makes them tick, and Kafka to me seems like even with all that's bad about her, actually cares about us, in her emotionless psychopathic way, who knows, maybe we were someone important to her before being made into an walking atomic bomb.
You two in the in comments obviously have never opened HoyoLab app 😂 If you sort the posts in "New", you cannot go more than 3 post without seeing some rando hateboner-filled post for Kafka in there 🤭
Dan Shu got shafted by the plot. Her story was actually pretty interesting, the complaints were mostly about the weird pacing issue. But the second she was made into a sidequest rather than the main one, it was clear that she was being put on the backburner, since there's no way that the true head of a major enemy faction would be relegated to a sidequest.
@@T8-TRthere's a whole quest involving her. Then we had to wait for updates for the continuation. Next update we met her once and she immediately get killed.
I still prefer Genshin in this way because I always read Genshin story in a sense where I am reading a book. I can't change the lore and just read it. Same reason why I also don't play much of Sim like of fantasy game that you can change the future (just like Nier Automata) because it makes me paranoid on how my choice will change the story. At the end of the day, it's all depended on players on what kind of storytelling game they actually like.
Nah, in Genshin you cant really quiet on finding your sister since that will be out of character and the motivation is legitimate, in Honkai Star Rail, their is no real motivation, you just go for a ride because the others said you should go... Thats why you can choose not to go, since the mc's interest and motivations hence the secret ending if you refuse to go, it is rather not fixed into one place where they can lose something important to them unlike Traveller who needs to save their sibling or risk losing their only kin.
Funny thing: if you sey your game graphic to low quality the windows behind kafka will be closed and if you got the cutscene where it go inside the house to show blade face you will get a glimps at him sitting on a chair with nothing infront of him and the void
I love the concept that being part of Elio's script is actually your choice. In the beginning of the game you were given a choice to either join the Express or stay to be Herta's lab rat. Your choice for dialogues could actually impact your journey.
I'll be honest, this is like one of the most coolest things ever. It's essentially changing the whole "Trailblazer helps everyone" to outright not be stuck into helping everyone.
This is so cool that they actually allowed you to do this. Instead of forcing you into saying yes, if you really push for it, you can just quit which is something not many games do. The first thing that comes to mind is Super Paper Mario but refusing in that game leads to a game over. Kinda wish I did this too because even though it does seem to hurt Kafka and you miss out on a lot of lore, this does have a more interesting ending with defying "destiny" and maybe actually changing Kafka like she said you would should you actually do the quest.
man, this is broke my heart to hear kafka repeatedly convince us to help her. like behind all of her word there is a feeling like she want to say "please, i'm begging you. don't leave me" damn.
I used to hate Kafka, but after this video i'm not sure anymore. She's still a manipulator and all but man, maybe deep down there is something genuine she wants to tell us.
@@victorjun2421 she's a prisoner of fate and destiny, however instead of freeing herself she chose to follow it's orders, by refusing her, she basically gets the idea that maybe she can free herself but at the same time she is afraid that maybe it's a useless endeavour and ultimately she meets her fate. kinda sad honestly, she felt like she is hopeless.
That last line of hers confirms that when she told me Ellio said that the trailblazer would 'change her' and she would change the trailblazer was her 'true' response to the question 'what am I to you?' It confirms a LOT about Kafka, how she feels about the protagonist (one of the few people she's actually just kind of blatantly 'nice' to) and makes me wonder if the Stelleron Hunters aren't a little bit... TRAPPED with Ellio? Like a fortune telling cult leader whose convinced his cogs that they have no free will so why even bother fighting whatever script he gives them... hence kafka's seeming excitement to see the trailblazer 'break' the script... of all the Stelleron Hunters Kafka is clearly the one the game is building up to most probably eventfully join the astral express crew (or else suffer the Himiko fate)
the biggest fear is the fear of the unknown, and by Ellio telling Kafka an exhaustive list of everything, what is there to be unknown? MC went against the list and against the grain, maybe, no wonder we strike her curiosity so much, i'm hoping that kafka will still have side quests given to the player even when they make this choice.
There’s a reason why Kafka warns you EIGHT TIMES that your choice is permanent. You’ll end up missing out on the quest. Devs don’t care if you choose to skip.
I'm actually really surprised by the level of choice Honkai Star Rail actually gives the player. When I started playing, I took it as a linear story and didn't care much about the choices. Until I ran straight into a choice I couldn't go back from and I was just staring at the game like "Huh? The choices actually changed the outcome of the quest?" Definitely a plus for this game.
There's nothing wrong with that, imho. Just appeals to different people. I'm absolutely fine with the way Genshin is, I don't play it for abundance of choices with relevant consequences, anyway. I just want to learn more about the characters and the story. And anyway, no matter how many other chances to "leave" we'll get in the future I will never take them because imho it's the dullest way ever to play and you're just subjectibg yourself to missing out on more imho, experience, lore, character interactions and overall fun.
Because it's not infinite possibilities like hsr genshin both twins made the same choice and eventually reach the same destination it's neither destiny nor will but it's like reading a already written book if u gave enough attention there were lot of hints about both of the twins journey being alighned
when broken illusion of choice can turn into bad writing if used too often without proper payout. It is better not to give a choices if none of it matter. HSR still had fake choices, but it also had the real one which i appreciated like playing pretend as sanctus medicus wont net you to a fight and even kearn more lore in bailu quest, letting dan shu leave wont forced you to fight the goon and now this.
@@adriantepes4355 Well I wouldn’t say my entire life wasn’t that bad. I just hate how that in this world, people can do the most abhorrent things and basically get away with it while the victims cry and scream in agony within their graves.
Me that likes morally grey characters and finds Kafka incredibly interesting. I couldn’t of ever tried to skip a quest like this cause more lore. Learning she was a devil hunter (that aligns her to be closer with Makima) and her reasoning for her being around you is because Elio told her that being around you is going to change her significantly is so interesting.
I salute you for having the courage to do this 🤣👏 in Genshin impact every line you chose to say leads to the same outcome eventually but since things are different in HSR I refused Kafka's request twice and when she said there was no turning back I knew she meant that and the story quest may really end there, so I accepted her offer in the end 🤣
@@kyero8724 The consequence is that you will not experience the quest. Kafka clearly stated the consequences in her dialogue. You are probably just being salty; so you're not thinking straight.
@@fantalone666 Thats not a consequence lol, you can still just google the quest and watch a video on it. You're pretending that the situation is way more complex than it actually is. I think you're the one who isn't thinking.
@@viennasavage9110 How am I pretending that the situation is more complex than it is? I see it for what it truly is; you have a choice, either you can stay or you can leave. If you choose to leave, you can never experience that part of story. I think that's a consequence of its own. You can feel free to reply with a reason why it isn't a consequence though. Edit: To add onto the 'you can just watch a video lol'... What other consequences exist that cannot be undone by simply loading back a save, starting a new game, or watching a youtube video?
I guess this puts into perspective that she might've been using her powers to dominate you this entire time and you need some serious willpower to actually leave without Kafka letting you lol This is why the acheivement is called true freedom
one of the things i really like with this game is that our choices actually matter and could lead to a different scenario (though there are cases where it leads to the same scenario). unlike certain game where no matter which dialogue i picked i'm stuck to do whatever the hell paimon told me to.
the choices may not change the main story (and i dont think theres anything hoyo can do about it) but if there will be kafka's companion quest part 2 (or even blade and SW), i hope we get rewarded based on what we choose in this quest
@@arjunthakur6477 Yeah, they almost centainly manage to make it out on their own. There is a small possibility of adding small changes in dialogue depending on your choice, though.
I thought it was going to be an ending like refusing to go on the Astral Express with a credits roll but you’ll be able to change your mind and do over. But since it ends the quest I guess I won’t do it this way lol
I was so happy when I played it and saw I can walk away cuz I really hate Kafka , I just wanted the rewards so getting them for free and leaving her was so satisfying.
You might be able to report Kafka to the General because I was doing Yukons’s quest at the time and was at the part you speak with him. Right before I got to the travel point I got dialogue saying I should probably see what Kafka needs first. Idk but it might be something
Well, if you really hate Kafka, you would never see this scene because you would never indulge her request to come in the first place. I'm assuming this is from her companion mission given that I don't recognize it.
I did it of my own free will as soon as I was given the chance. I just don’t want to have any more contact with this manipulator. I don't want to do shit for her. and I did this on the main account and do not intend to change my choice.
i did this by accident too and Kafka actually sends you a text the next day thanking you for rejecting the script and showing her that destiny can be change somehow
@@carolineranieri Here it goes: Anonymous Whimmi, I'm Kafka Anonymous Just FYI, it's been a journey, but l'm unharmed Anonymous Does free will exist? I can't say for sure, but you've made your own choice, transforming a nascent possibility into reality. Anonymous This is wonderful to you and I, two people both enslaved by fate And then it says the recipient is offline.
I did this accidentally and got a bit confused for a moment, I thought it was a joke like the secret ending of this game where you can restart but then the companion mission is completed and I got an achievement, imagine tho writing a story only for the player to skip ahead everything by refusing to elaborate 😭 (I kind of regret it cause now I can't experience the story 😂)
Because she tried to manipulate the trailblaze everytime ofcourse in a different way She tried putting preasure on us kept saying that there is no turning back , about how destiny changes and etc 😂
@@YukiColburn preasure us in order to change our mindset just to do what she wants its a form of manipulation also the whole quest was in her advantage since she knew if we were telling the truth or not and we do not know wich one is the lie and wich isnt (in the game we can inform ourself with other ppl choices or leaks but thats pt 2) everthing is in her advantage Are you sure this doesn't sounds odd to you? Its kind of cleary manipulation Forgot to add she insisted 8 TIMES in a row if we are sure on the choice we make and that theres no turning back and that we wont be involved in the future
I was ready to keep saying "No" until the game forced me to say "Yes" and I would have been fine with it, but it was a treat for me to prove to her that their team's seer and soothsayer is fallible and fate is not absolute. I don't know whether I was more annoyed or begrudgingly impressed that she seemed to approve of that decision, even though it objectively made things tougher for her. This game has some really good writing, character development, and general game design in it, really enjoying it.
I wonder whether this will affect Blade's companion quest . Players who refused to help Kafka might have to fight mara-struck Blade in a boss battle. And players who helped Kafka , just need to fight some cloud nights and help Blade meet the person about whom he mentioned in the end.
@@malihazarinfaizasonali nah. When it comes to branching stories, the more effects that change the more exponential the workload. I mean if they are up for it then I'm up for Kafka bringing it up a year later and Blade holding a grudge. But it's understandable if it's kept to this moment.
So... Is there an equivalent achievement if you helped her? I want to chose to help her, but I also want the 5 Stellar Jades that bronze achievements give.
Reminder that anytime there's an achievement like this, there will also be another achievement for doing it normally that replaces this achievement. Like the other person said, the Achievement will just be called "Free Will" rather than True Free Will.
I did it just to see how far it would go, and then when I arrived at the part where you can actually skip the quest I wanted to do the quest but I thought it would just be dumb to go all the way to actually being able to skip and choosing to do the quest
I cant seem to post links but, it basically says in a hastily written letter that Kafka approved of what the MC was doing in rejecting her and showing that they aren't bound by Fate and that she likes the MC for doing this.@@hazewert8212
@@yayangchand She actually proud of u because you have true free will instead of being Fate's Slave and hopes you won't let anyone tell you what to do.
I actually didn't know that you could click the darker text, so ended up passing to the next part of the quest, but because I didn't want to accept in the first place I decided I will leave it there until the end of the game
Now I don't know what happened..
in her story
The whole quest was skipped sheesh😂
I legit was disappointed that I didn't do this now...
No, I'm not the type who skip story. I actually play games cuz I wanna KNOW the story. But I make a vow to myself (lol, so dramatic) that I will turn Caelus into a certified troll and will be mean as all hell when I see Sampo or the Stellaron Hunters because it's lore accurate. And Caelus, rejecting Kafka's request is definitely in character with that image
I know Kafka's story now, but man, do I wanna skip it all so I can spit on their speech about 'nobody have any true will' thing 😂
You don't have to be so sad, I don't know the story of any games I play
@@nvrp13It's a bit funny that she does mention that you saying no could have been a possibility that elio simply chose not to tell her, and that either way she will find a way to do things with or without you and that you will still in some way help her change, really feeds into their "no true free will as all actions already have a list of possibilities it could lead to", motto but at the same time showing that Kafka does value your choices and hopes that what you do whether it's what she intially wanted or not leads to a future she is striving to make happen with the stellaron hunters.
>Agreed to meet Kafka
>Says "No" right in front of her face
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves
MC is a jojo character himself
Sigma Trailblazer grindset
_CAN YOU HEAR THE SILENCE?_
_CAN YOU SEE THE DARK?_
_CAN YOU FIX THE BROKEN?_
_CAN YOU FEEL? CAN YOU FEEL MY HEART!?_
@@lollmaoniceno.
To be fair, we are forced to meet her
Like she said, we don't have a choice but to meet her.
"Reach the end of the story in your own way"
MC: _does it_
Kafka: "but.. Elio's script" 👁️👄👁️
MC: "You can throw it into a trash can. I might fish it out later."
Its MC Who says it
@@gabrielfreire3732its kafka probably from elio but mc also says it
Kafka indirectly tells you the future isn't predetermined. In the truth and lies game if you do the questions right.
@@skullkrusher-dx4kgYou keep saying this is every reply you do, but in my truth and lies game she uses that question as her lie and says no to if it's predetermined or not, meaning it is.
She really is pulling the whole "mother knows best but it's your choice... Just remember, mother knows best" script
oh not the tangled
I would march into hell and back just to say "you are wrong" to a smart ass
She's channeling the power of an Asian Mom but she's not there yet. She hasn't wielded the slipper!
@@PunishthefalseShe may not have a slipper but she has guns! Maybe that will work...
Wait a minute
She's not mc's mother... It was clarified clearly in this quest when she lied in the game.
It's not included in the video, but you also get a text from Kafka the next day, basically congratulating you on defying fate.
What does it say?
@@Goldiloxzit says: no more lucky pulls 4 U, bozo - sincerely Hoyoverse
@@Goldiloxz I was also curious, so I looked it up:
Anonymous: (Trailblazer), I'm Kafka
Kafka: Just FYI, it's been a journey, but I'm unharmed
Kafka: Does free will exist? I can't say for sure, but you've made your own choice, transforming a nascent possibility into reality.
Kafka: This is wonderful to you and I, two people both enslaved by fate
Then it looks like you get 3 response options:
1 (Trailblazer): Take care, Kafka
2 (Trailblazer): Thank you. Stop contacting me
3 (Trailblazer): Gone again, huh?
Error: Recipient does not exist
@@celestialsylveon6453 I've picked second reply, seems perfect.
"Thanks, now fuck off"
Kafka: But Elio said you'll help me in his future visions..
MC: Elio is a dumbass, welcome to the real world where you never know what will happen.
facts xd
FACTS 🥳
SAME PFP!!!!!
This is facts. And it's also unpredictable too. Hence Elio is a dumbass.
The MC's ability to say no to Kafka is important plot factor ))
March: Did you do it?
Trailblazer: Yes
March: On what cost?
Trailblazer: EVERYTHING
Every Lore Boomb we want to know will never Know
@@dekozagudesu9802 tbh you need youtube to se them all so not much changes
@@dekozagudesu9802Callus: now let me use my parallel-universe-computer(youtube) to see what happened if I did join her... YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SEE POSSIBILITIES ELLIO
me omw to jump on the alternate reality where the quest is actually done
actually the only cost was lore and not beating up a child, you got the rewards still
Note to self, every time Kafka tells you that you have to do something, you can always refuse it and get a secret ending
- No, mom!
*secret ends him with a slipper*
@@ceiling_catthe Asian ending😢
Literally me whenever that witch appears
The funny part about this is Kafka herself said she prefers it if Trailblazer would decide for herself and go against Ellio's script. And she said in a strangely ecstatic way back in the opening mission of the game.
Zero replies... Ok I will
wow ok@@AbyssBreakdownYT
If you play the game right you can get a truth saying the future isn't predetermined but we dont know if kafka hold up to the rules of the game.
As expected from HSR, where dialogue actually has impact to the story. You can literally end your game earlier if you refused to go with the Astral Express at the beginning of the game.
@yaaaan6763I thought you can still get that ending if you go talk to asta, rather then board the astral Express
@yaaaan6763you can still stay with herta
@yaaaan6763 you can still choose to not going with the express tho
Wait so in the side quest you can avoid fighting or end the quest earlier depending on your answer?
I never read all the dialogue and just tap the answer randomly
@@scy11a17 bruh. bro has played too many games where your choices dont matter
Feels like a Stanley Parable moment when you keep going against the narrator.
thank u for reminding me to play that game i honestly forgot
Narrator: When stelle went to the space station,she decided to board the train
Stelle: chose to stay
Narrator:What,nonononono,this wasn't supposed to be on the script,why would you decide to stay,you could have met new people and beat the final boss and have fun,but you chose to stay in Herta's space station and decided to be a researcher?well this story isn't for you
I refused her till the point she says there is no turning back and then was too anxious to leave 😅
honestly, when I played I was too interested in the background of PC, so I didn't refuse much, so I got the other side of the coin, if you're collaborative you don't get much info either
@@astraySparrowi have a image with all the possible answers in her quest, if u want it i give u the link
i would like the link@@_Seeb_
@@_Seeb_ i want the link
@@_Seeb_give it to us already
The more confident she is at me accepting, the more I’m going to refuse
Not gonna lie, same. That's how I function rl too.
Imagine being so petty you can be easily manipulate to do literally anything.
Edit: I was high as fuck and don't know what I was trying to say
@@RyuusanFT86It's just for Kafka, really. She's annoying and overconfident, so it makes you wanna disobey her.
@@starshock4728 I didn't even know what I was trying to say dude
@@RyuusanFT86 the edit made me laugh 💀
“no im leaving”
*changes to blade then runs away*
Blade : Enough of Elio's shit I am leaving
So interesting the last time the player was given a choice like this, the game straight up ENDED. But here, the quests just ends and you can go about your business. Heck, you even get an achievement for it. In any future quests involving Kafka or Blade, are they going to remember these previous actions?
while dialogue might change, the story wont. Its like Kafka and elio say, theres no free will only an exhaustive list of possibilities, becasue theyre in a game and theyre aware of the limitations. whatever the devs write is all that can happen
@@axis9038do I get the same reward if I choose no, because that'd be a nice time saver.
@@Nutt_lemmingswell, there is some battles with rewards along the Quest so I guess no
they BETTER.
Considering Elio saw that possibility, Kafka will still be cool about it, but most likely won't go around saying "thanks for the last time" imo
this is interesting. she was literally begging us to stay, but in the way that we fell like she’s just telling that we might regret it. i really want to see what she really thinks of us and i wonder how can our decisions like in this quest change our relationships.
I did it and Blade told me that Trailblazer and Kafka went everywhere together and that this relationship was very old.
huh@@brago900
@@feqolAt the end of this quest you talk to Blade and he says you and Kafka used to travel together.
It's more like we have proven destiny can be changed if you choose this, of course. Until now, she thinks the script was 100 percent guaranteed, but you just proved it was wrong, and you can make your own choices outside the script that Elio gives so in short we make our own destiny
@@birgaripadam7112exactly, but this makes me question: how will this effect the next encounter with the stelleron hunters? If we went along with Kafka, then blade would know our existence, and the TB canonically wouldn’t know this info, so I wonder how the dev team will fix this next story quest, with this, I wonder if this will have an effect on how we “change” Kafka, but either way, cool way of doing the quest, wished that I didn’t do it the other way (was scared of losing the rewards.), and I hope their is more like this in the future.
Nuh uh
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Achievement unlocked: Nuh uh.
Elio: what the fuck.
You know he break his destiny, absolute truly maincharacter choice
This feels wrong on so many levels
@@Tsuuunamii Yanqing wouldn't remember a thing, after our fight. Kafka can erase memories.
@@Tsuuunamii HE DESERVES A SPANKING!
that depends ig, after all, why should we even care about them anyways?
like we Said careful when we choose Boys
@@TsuuunamiiExactly, I rather beat up Kafka.
Imagine if the quest just straight up ended without giving you the reward, that would be hilarious lmao
i would be really mad and won't be playing honkai star rail ever again lmao
@@Enn42360one less prick in the game 😂
AKA if Aha was the quest designer lol
You can actually skip the blind girl's quest if you choose to do the archon quest first before it. You won't get a reward
@@r3digitwait this is genshin right? If so i thought you meant jingliu as blind girl
MC: "Did Elio see this coming?
Kafka: "I...uh....no?"
MC: "Exactly. Stop trusting him blindly and make your own choices for a damn change."
Kafka: 👁👄👁
It's super interesting how much you learn about Kafka in this interaction, the way she talks about fate as something that's just different lines that lead to similar places, how Elio taught her this, makes you wonder what her life before was, what her worldview was like. She also says that you can change her, maybe this is the way Elio promised her that she would be finally able to feel real fear, maybe later in the story we will do something that will scare her, maybe threaten her life, maybe she will care enough about us that when our life is threaten she will be afraid for us. The detail of her changing her tone of voice near the end is such a good decision from the dub's director cause she sounds geniuenly sincere, like she actually wants us to break fate, to make our own future.
I know people don't like Kafka, she's a criminal and a manipulator, she's basically Makima but more morally grey, but I honestly feel all the Stellaron Hunters are fairly complex characters with interesting stories and that we'll eventually discover what makes them tick, and Kafka to me seems like even with all that's bad about her, actually cares about us, in her emotionless psychopathic way, who knows, maybe we were someone important to her before being made into an walking atomic bomb.
People don't like Kafka ? Ok bud, lay off the alcohol because that could not be further from the truth
@@amadeusnagamine9056Lol the op obviously talking about the character story who hates her. Tell me a single fucking player who hates her
You two in the in comments obviously have never opened HoyoLab app 😂
If you sort the posts in "New", you cannot go more than 3 post without seeing some rando hateboner-filled post for Kafka in there 🤭
@@anzheilen5217 i dislike her as a character, but ig that's not close enough to hate
@@anzheilen5217 I hate her
People get excited about choices but forget that we had the choice to drink Dan Shu's poison and let her go, yet nothing happened afterwards...
Dan Shu got shafted by the plot. Her story was actually pretty interesting, the complaints were mostly about the weird pacing issue. But the second she was made into a sidequest rather than the main one, it was clear that she was being put on the backburner, since there's no way that the true head of a major enemy faction would be relegated to a sidequest.
@@T8-TRthere's a whole quest involving her. Then we had to wait for updates for the continuation. Next update we met her once and she immediately get killed.
@@far_centristWith basically no interaction or acknowledgement towards MC at that, was kinda disappointing
@@T8-TR The whole Xianzhou plot got butchered real hard
@@zephyrprime8 this. jarilo story was so much better, after finishing xianzhou I was just like "wait, that's it?"
The game gives you a right of choice, this is really nice, I like it. Genshin in this sense is a very direct
Now I'm kinda concerned for the future quests XD
I still prefer Genshin in this way because I always read Genshin story in a sense where I am reading a book. I can't change the lore and just read it. Same reason why I also don't play much of Sim like of fantasy game that you can change the future (just like Nier Automata) because it makes me paranoid on how my choice will change the story. At the end of the day, it's all depended on players on what kind of storytelling game they actually like.
Nah, in Genshin you cant really quiet on finding your sister since that will be out of character and the motivation is legitimate, in Honkai Star Rail, their is no real motivation, you just go for a ride because the others said you should go... Thats why you can choose not to go, since the mc's interest and motivations hence the secret ending if you refuse to go, it is rather not fixed into one place where they can lose something important to them unlike Traveller who needs to save their sibling or risk losing their only kin.
@@FireBlueZthe difference is, that Genshin IS a game, not a book
@@tacemiko3849so what? It doesn't mean there can't be a linear plot.
Funny thing: if you sey your game graphic to low quality the windows behind kafka will be closed and if you got the cutscene where it go inside the house to show blade face you will get a glimps at him sitting on a chair with nothing infront of him and the void
Nigga I always play on lowest settings
I love the concept that being part of Elio's script is actually your choice.
In the beginning of the game you were given a choice to either join the Express or stay to be Herta's lab rat.
Your choice for dialogues could actually impact your journey.
I'll be honest, this is like one of the most coolest things ever.
It's essentially changing the whole "Trailblazer helps everyone" to outright not be stuck into helping everyone.
I almost choose this. But the chance to get to beat up Yanqing again is too much to resist lol
finally someone who understands my hate for yanqing
Finally another chance for beating a low IQ kid
@@shelly8839 What has the small lad done to you?
@@Mokoeru50/50 maybe
Now I’m definitely skipping
This is so cool that they actually allowed you to do this. Instead of forcing you into saying yes, if you really push for it, you can just quit which is something not many games do. The first thing that comes to mind is Super Paper Mario but refusing in that game leads to a game over.
Kinda wish I did this too because even though it does seem to hurt Kafka and you miss out on a lot of lore, this does have a more interesting ending with defying "destiny" and maybe actually changing Kafka like she said you would should you actually do the quest.
lol i also immediately thought of spm
Imagine ten years later, there's a secret ending that you can only get if you've chosen these options along the way...
@@zeth479 that'd be insane but I'd love that attention to detail. It'd fit with the theme of the game too with the whole defying destiny thing.
That's actually what I thought would happen too. I thought they would force me to say yes. I'm so pleasantly surprised that was not the case
@@shadycactus6146 ah. You are one of culture and exquisite taste.
man, this is broke my heart to hear kafka repeatedly convince us to help her. like behind all of her word there is a feeling like she want to say "please, i'm begging you. don't leave me" damn.
I used to hate Kafka, but after this video i'm not sure anymore. She's still a manipulator and all but man, maybe deep down there is something genuine she wants to tell us.
@@victorjun2421 she's a prisoner of fate and destiny, however instead of freeing herself she chose to follow it's orders, by refusing her, she basically gets the idea that maybe she can free herself but at the same time she is afraid that maybe it's a useless endeavour and ultimately she meets her fate. kinda sad honestly, she felt like she is hopeless.
@@IIShattered_PerspectiveII i mean, they weren't called the destiny's slaves for no reason.
@@victorjun2421lol no there isn't she just wanted to save blade and leave and that's what she's using you for
At what part did you get that feeling I am curious. Her vibe changes between "bored" and "uncaring"
We've made a choice so fight against your fate
Kafka would def be uncomfortable with this song
But pain might come to the blade
@@donut1550and that pain will wake up the despondent crowds in this dormant world, somehow
@@shirouthehero696represents firefly, no ? O:
@@novapulses no clue, in all honest; I've not played Star Rail myself, just listened to some of the music
That last line of hers confirms that when she told me Ellio said that the trailblazer would 'change her' and she would change the trailblazer was her 'true' response to the question 'what am I to you?' It confirms a LOT about Kafka, how she feels about the protagonist (one of the few people she's actually just kind of blatantly 'nice' to) and makes me wonder if the Stelleron Hunters aren't a little bit... TRAPPED with Ellio? Like a fortune telling cult leader whose convinced his cogs that they have no free will so why even bother fighting whatever script he gives them... hence kafka's seeming excitement to see the trailblazer 'break' the script... of all the Stelleron Hunters Kafka is clearly the one the game is building up to most probably eventfully join the astral express crew (or else suffer the Himiko fate)
Or they might go whole Hog and do *Both*
well rules are made to be broken.
This is the true path.
Kafka made Rules
"Rules are made to be broken"
Disobey the Rule Kafka gives
???
PROFIT
I like how the game tries to “lock” your options, but it seems that they underestimated how persistent humans can be
Meanwhile Genshin
> Whatever I say in these blocks or whatever I choose ...
> ... the story always go one way.
When people stop simping: *TRUE FREE WILL*
the biggest fear is the fear of the unknown, and by Ellio telling Kafka an exhaustive list of everything, what is there to be unknown? MC went against the list and against the grain, maybe, no wonder we strike her curiosity so much, i'm hoping that kafka will still have side quests given to the player even when they make this choice.
As long as we also have an option to turn her down. For me personally, her character is irritating to say the least.
@@Elstelle u can just not fo them
@@Weebdotexe we need a skip button for this to be an option.
@@Elstellethank you glad I'm not the only one
There’s a reason why Kafka warns you EIGHT TIMES that your choice is permanent. You’ll end up missing out on the quest. Devs don’t care if you choose to skip.
I'm actually really surprised by the level of choice Honkai Star Rail actually gives the player. When I started playing, I took it as a linear story and didn't care much about the choices. Until I ran straight into a choice I couldn't go back from and I was just staring at the game like "Huh? The choices actually changed the outcome of the quest?" Definitely a plus for this game.
makes me feel awful for speeding through some of the game on auto while doing work. idek what i clicked :(
Vs. Genshin Impact :
> I am leaving !!
NOOO DON’T LEAVE I NEED YOUR HELP TRAVELERRRRRR
And the quest still goes on
There's nothing wrong with that, imho. Just appeals to different people. I'm absolutely fine with the way Genshin is, I don't play it for abundance of choices with relevant consequences, anyway. I just want to learn more about the characters and the story.
And anyway, no matter how many other chances to "leave" we'll get in the future I will never take them because imho it's the dullest way ever to play and you're just subjectibg yourself to missing out on more imho, experience, lore, character interactions and overall fun.
Because it's not infinite possibilities like hsr genshin both twins made the same choice and eventually reach the same destination it's neither destiny nor will but it's like reading a already written book if u gave enough attention there were lot of hints about both of the twins journey being alighned
when broken illusion of choice can turn into bad writing if used too often without proper payout. It is better not to give a choices if none of it matter. HSR still had fake choices, but it also had the real one which i appreciated like playing pretend as sanctus medicus wont net you to a fight and even kearn more lore in bailu quest, letting dan shu leave wont forced you to fight the goon and now this.
That's preferable for Genshin imo, don't think it'd work as well to have these kinds of permanent consequences to your choices
Followed by two essays of unskippable dialogue
Every time they clicked the “no” and “leaving” options my heart shattered…
As THE Kafka hater this video put a smile on my face.
she’s just tryna manipulate you anyway
That gasp in "representing the consequences" part in her first line is just like the actress got tired speaking with this "bark for me, simp" voice
Yeah, the last time she speaks, she suddenly speaks normally too.
Idgi
I sure wish this is how Adam and Eve refused the serpent
nah if they did the world would have been a better place
You'd have been a zombie if they did
@@adriantepes4355 I’d rather have that than knowing how fucked up people can be
@@deathwingthedestroyer3632 I'm sorry that you met the worst of humankind and have never come across the light of happiness, young man
@@adriantepes4355 Well I wouldn’t say my entire life wasn’t that bad. I just hate how that in this world, people can do the most abhorrent things and basically get away with it while the victims cry and scream in agony within their graves.
Me that likes morally grey characters and finds Kafka incredibly interesting. I couldn’t of ever tried to skip a quest like this cause more lore. Learning she was a devil hunter (that aligns her to be closer with Makima) and her reasoning for her being around you is because Elio told her that being around you is going to change her significantly is so interesting.
"Reach the end of the story in your own way..."
I salute you for having the courage to do this 🤣👏 in Genshin impact every line you chose to say leads to the same outcome eventually but since things are different in HSR I refused Kafka's request twice and when she said there was no turning back I knew she meant that and the story quest may really end there, so I accepted her offer in the end 🤣
this is literally a 0 consequence fake path it changes literally nothing just ends it sooner.
@@kyero8724 it changes nothing ! We don't get to play truth or lies with her how's that nothing xD and she reveals some interesting infos 🤩
@@kyero8724 The consequence is that you will not experience the quest. Kafka clearly stated the consequences in her dialogue. You are probably just being salty; so you're not thinking straight.
@@fantalone666 Thats not a consequence lol, you can still just google the quest and watch a video on it. You're pretending that the situation is way more complex than it actually is. I think you're the one who isn't thinking.
@@viennasavage9110 How am I pretending that the situation is more complex than it is?
I see it for what it truly is; you have a choice, either you can stay or you can leave. If you choose to leave, you can never experience that part of story.
I think that's a consequence of its own. You can feel free to reply with a reason why it isn't a consequence though.
Edit: To add onto the 'you can just watch a video lol'... What other consequences exist that cannot be undone by simply loading back a save, starting a new game, or watching a youtube video?
I guess this puts into perspective that she might've been using her powers to dominate you this entire time and you need some serious willpower to actually leave without Kafka letting you lol
This is why the acheivement is called true freedom
*Kafka explains and stalls the trail blazer so they won't leave and help her.
"No"
one of the things i really like with this game is that our choices actually matter and could lead to a different scenario (though there are cases where it leads to the same scenario). unlike certain game where no matter which dialogue i picked i'm stuck to do whatever the hell paimon told me to.
This only happened once so far...
@@Chestyfriendtwice.
@@sensha5470 What other one? If you mean the joke ending, that has no permanent consequences.
I did this for 2 reasons, 1 : my curiosity got the better of me 2 : i dont like Kafka and wanted to be as far away from her as possibleat all times
"I dislike you."
"In that case, will you stay here? For me?"
wat??? Lady, we just established we dont like you, read the room.
achievement unlocked: became self aware
Really😊
the choices may not change the main story (and i dont think theres anything hoyo can do about it) but if there will be kafka's companion quest part 2 (or even blade and SW), i hope we get rewarded based on what we choose in this quest
Damn so its really possible to not help her?
But i dont think it will have any future changes though.
Actually it should, by refusing to help her, the cloud knights or yanqing would have caught her and took her to the prison.
@@KkA0712 we will see that In future. But it seems highly unlikely
@@arjunthakur6477 Yeah, they almost centainly manage to make it out on their own.
There is a small possibility of adding small changes in dialogue depending on your choice, though.
According to ellio's script Kafka will take blade and leave, no matter what we do, so yea it doesn't really matter.
@@helioxghost so if she knew she will be safe then why did she even message the MC If we chose to dip her
I thought it was going to be an ending like refusing to go on the Astral Express with a credits roll but you’ll be able to change your mind and do over. But since it ends the quest I guess I won’t do it this way lol
I was so happy when I played it and saw I can walk away cuz I really hate Kafka , I just wanted the rewards so getting them for free and leaving her was so satisfying.
You might be able to report Kafka to the General because I was doing Yukons’s quest at the time and was at the part you speak with him. Right before I got to the travel point I got dialogue saying I should probably see what Kafka needs first. Idk but it might be something
she played the blade card
she knows im a simp
oh no
Kafka:Okay...Goobye uhhh 😮💨
😂
Can we just appreciate the clever player nickname!? :D
What was it
@@MrBud85Uhhh
@@methatswho6299 tell me
i actually didnt notice it until the end. kept wondering why the dialogue had uhh there but kafka wasn't saying it out
I love how this just feels like a DnD DM trying to make the party follow the story
Everyone have their own desire leading to their ultimate
Great now I’m curious to see what her dialogue would be if we came back right before leaving-
MC : I may be a monster, but I'm not your monster anymore 😷
People only choose this option is either you really hate Kafka or you're speedrunning this game or you have 2nd account
Well, if you really hate Kafka, you would never see this scene because you would never indulge her request to come in the first place. I'm assuming this is from her companion mission given that I don't recognize it.
@@nosneponsnek You know someone can hate Kafka but want to collect the jades just to pull. That's why I assume like that
@@hackerme679 Which is why I say those who REALLY hate Kafka wouldn't see it. But those who just normally hate her would.
I did it of my own free will as soon as I was given the chance. I just don’t want to have any more contact with this manipulator. I don't want to do shit for her. and I did this on the main account and do not intend to change my choice.
First choice is correct
i did this by accident too and Kafka actually sends you a text the next day thanking you for rejecting the script and showing her that destiny can be change somehow
fr?
@@carolineranieri
Here it goes:
Anonymous
Whimmi, I'm Kafka
Anonymous
Just FYI, it's been a journey, but l'm unharmed
Anonymous
Does free will exist? I can't say for sure, but you've made your own choice, transforming a nascent possibility into reality.
Anonymous
This is wonderful to you and I, two people both enslaved by fate
And then it says the recipient is offline.
@@whimmi oooh thank you!!!
@@whimmiwont let me read your comment. youtubr is broken and.I hate it here :( the anticipation on what she said in the text is killing me
I did this accidentally and got a bit confused for a moment, I thought it was a joke like the secret ending of this game where you can restart but then the companion mission is completed and I got an achievement, imagine tho writing a story only for the player to skip ahead everything by refusing to elaborate 😭 (I kind of regret it cause now I can't experience the story 😂)
Devs don’t care if you skip the story. You’re the one missing out (which is why Kafka warns you EIGHT TIMES that your choice will be permanent)
I FOUGHT SOMEONE JUST FOR THIS DUDE TO REFUSE 8 TIMES AND GET THE REWARDS 😭😭
Absolute giga chad energy
Is it possible to upload all the combinations of answers between kafka and mc ?
My downbad ass to this day could still never say no to Kafka. It b like that sometimes
Goddamit if i knew i could avoid fighting yanqing i would choose this path 😭😭 cuz i struggling beat HIM AAAAA
So let me get this clear… I could’ve quickly gotten those rewards and not have to wait…
the real rewards is beating yanqing along the way
Star rail dialogue is so fucking good , and some of the easter eggs actually got me even more hooked in the game fr
I believe this gonna bite back in future story
Wanna know what’s crazy? She never once says please.
Because she tried to manipulate the trailblaze everytime ofcourse in a different way
She tried putting preasure on us kept saying that there is no turning back , about how destiny changes and etc 😂
No magic word = no help.
I don't make the rules Kafka
@@yourwueen443 There's a difference between manipulating and pressuring, is all I'll say
I guess she isn't desperate
@@YukiColburn preasure us in order to change our mindset just to do what she wants its a form of manipulation also the whole quest was in her advantage since she knew if we were telling the truth or not and we do not know wich one is the lie and wich isnt (in the game we can inform ourself with other ppl choices or leaks but thats pt 2) everthing is in her advantage
Are you sure this doesn't sounds odd to you? Its kind of cleary manipulation
Forgot to add she insisted 8 TIMES in a row if we are sure on the choice we make and that theres no turning back and that we wont be involved in the future
I don't refused her, and still got the achievement and the music
watching this pains me but it's your choice in which I cannot interfere
This is the reason why i pay attention to hsr quests but watch videos of RUclips while doing Genshin impact quests
that's honestly so cool that they let you do this
So just by saying "nuh uh" i could have avoided nearly getting bushwhacked by a child?
I’m assuming this just locks you out of future quests you’d have with Kafka…
I was ready to keep saying "No" until the game forced me to say "Yes" and I would have been fine with it, but it was a treat for me to prove to her that their team's seer and soothsayer is fallible and fate is not absolute. I don't know whether I was more annoyed or begrudgingly impressed that she seemed to approve of that decision, even though it objectively made things tougher for her.
This game has some really good writing, character development, and general game design in it, really enjoying it.
Kafka has a soothing voice.
I'm glad that option exists, I don't like Kafka and I don't feel like doing his mission lol
I love this. I woukd never miss on any lore si i would never make these kinds of choices, but I sure love to see they exist
i could never... thanks for showing us! but i am down bad simp for her
I fought Yanqing and after listening to what blade said I'll never doubt kafka cuz she truly a mom and mommy both
Damn it hurts so much watching this, I'm a simp for Kafka so my answer are all to make her happy
Just for putting Kafka through this i hope everyone who chooses this option gets ommited from all future steps of her companion quest :D
I wonder whether this will affect Blade's companion quest . Players who refused to help Kafka might have to fight mara-struck Blade in a boss battle. And players who helped Kafka , just need to fight some cloud nights and help Blade meet the person about whom he mentioned in the end.
@@malihazarinfaizasonaliim pretty sure she just fixes up Blade without us if we refuse though.. only real difference is that you miss out on lore.
@@malihazarinfaizasonali nah. When it comes to branching stories, the more effects that change the more exponential the workload.
I mean if they are up for it then I'm up for Kafka bringing it up a year later and Blade holding a grudge. But it's understandable if it's kept to this moment.
you get all the rewards
and i hate kafka
SO HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
@@evergreen7260 wow, you must be the special cookie
i didnt refuse her, its interesting to see you can complete the quest in such a way
Me and the boys denying the manipulative woman that is Kafka.
So... Is there an equivalent achievement if you helped her?
I want to chose to help her, but I also want the 5 Stellar Jades that bronze achievements give.
You get an achievement anyway, so just do the quest
Yes it will it just says the option you picked on the achievement if you finished the quest
You'll still get the achievement, it's just that it's no longer TRUE free will, just "free will".
Reminder that anytime there's an achievement like this, there will also be another achievement for doing it normally that replaces this achievement.
Like the other person said, the Achievement will just be called "Free Will" rather than True Free Will.
I did it just to see how far it would go, and then when I arrived at the part where you can actually skip the quest I wanted to do the quest but I thought it would just be dumb to go all the way to actually being able to skip and choosing to do the quest
_You forgot to go back and look at the note she left._
what????
I cant seem to post links but, it basically says in a hastily written letter that Kafka approved of what the MC was doing in rejecting her and showing that they aren't bound by Fate and that she likes the MC for doing this.@@hazewert8212
@@hazewert8212 if you move to another map, and going back here, kafka and blade will leave the place, and kafka leave a note for the trailblazer there
@@vildefort7664 what's the note about ?
@@yayangchand She actually proud of u because you have true free will instead of being Fate's Slave and hopes you won't let anyone tell you what to do.
Cara, agora eu quero ver o que acontece com seu personagem depois disso. Deve ter algum lugar que eles vão lembrar dessa sua escolha.
So....i could have just...skiped the...task.............AHHHHHH
the her that you hate her.
refuses to elaborate further.
leaves,
I actually didn't know that you could click the darker text, so ended up passing to the next part of the quest, but because I didn't want to accept in the first place I decided I will leave it there until the end of the game