Hi Dave! My board was a prototype board they sent me from the factory. It is not the board inside the scope you saw operating. I suspect that it is older. I liked your analysis of the teardown!
@@Thesignalpath Oh, interesting! Looks like they removed an entire memory chip next to the eMMC and quite a few other changes including a shield over the relay. Mine must be pretty close to the production version then I presume.
An update video would be great after they enable the digital channels and the pattern generator. I'm particularly interested in the latter's interface. Mostly how easy it is do generate standard protocols like I2C, SPI, UART, etc. Each time i need a very simple test involving one of those, i find it easiest to just hookup a MCU dev kit and write some code. I know my signal generators can do it, but usually its simple to write some code. PS: Sorry for the spam of like 3 comments just from me.
Outstanding review. Specifically showing how to use the 'scope _correctly_ as opposed to what one might think how to use it based on old-school principles. Your usual in-depth testing and analysis is very much appreciated.
@Alexander_Gräf Dave has great content, his educational videos are awesome. But he lives from eevblog, and the educational videos are less accepted than clickbaits.
That wouldn't work for me... Whenever I watch a TSP video, I need BOTH of my brain cells to be FULLY functional in order to 'sponge' up all of the valuable info he provides!
I love your video as you are tearingdown the thing, but the most important, explaining ideas about how to use triggers, fft and so on. About the scope, is lovely and too expensive for my budget (>12keur x 4 channels 500Mhz).
@@vmiguel1988 2 chan starts at 1.8k at like the ..50 mhz or whatever. Maybe +1k for the other two? Crippled down for sure, but the hardware is there. Back when FLIR had their top of the line E8 selling for $6k and their entry level E4 selling for $1k good ol Mikeselectricstuff did a teardown. He quickly found out the huuuge piece of 320x240 uh SiGe? was left in there, just with different firmware...they were soon bought out by Teledyne ;) I don't think Tek would 'come agusta' considering how absolutely massively that mistake resonated..basically around the planet In the Zync there are a few ARM A53s and an R. (Dave speculated the Rchips were for the display, but I'd actually guess the other way around). Anyways ARM's TrustZone hasn't been haxored yet I don't think. I bet you give Tek dollaz, they give you key, key goes on NV storage, auths against the private key that's internal to the IPcore which regulates the clock acq. And if that's if they really try-harded. Unlike Rigol, Tek's a premium brand....its not like the literally millions of scopes they're going to sell to universities are going to be bottom-bought then cracked with keys. At least, they didn't steal Cadence or Altium at my uni haha (philosophy major, my AD creds wouldn't get me onto an EE machine to even try!)
5:12 like the way you lifted a few pads off when you removed the input shield! Not sure Tektronix were expecting that much of a teardown 🤣 Apart from the battery modularity option, there doesn't seem to be much different in functionality (for £10K) and performance than my Siglent SDS2504X Plus (£3K !) ... and the Siglent is 1/3rd of the price with more AWG options and protocol decoders and a 16 channel digital logic analyser !
Excelent review as always!. I guess in the long term those pins on the front for the pattern generator front would be better than a female connector. Those female connectors have a very limited number of insertions before the contact springs loose flexibility and I guess they'd need to be replaced more often than potential broken pins. Hijacking the thread here, it'd be very nice if you could make a tutorial of how to calibrate a VNA before performing measurements. I always have the feeling of missing something or 'being blind' when using a VNA 😁
The solution to that is to put a consumable connector as an interposer. put a female plug on the PCB, then a make to female plug into that. You do all your work plugging on that second layer. when it's worn out you just replace that bit.
Obviously, Tek just lifted the embargo today because a "different EE-related youtube channel" just released another teardown of the same product. The difference is that one video was listed as a "WORLD EXCLUSIVE TEARDOWN!!!" while the other... well... wasn't. Shahriar, thank you for posting great content with zero nonsense.
Sounds like EEVblog thought he was the only one. Seems like an honest mistake, since they likely cannot contact each other about a product while it is under embargo.
@@nullptrRL Correct, I had no idea anyone else had one. When I got mine in April they were so rare that not even w2aew Alan Wolke who works at Tek had even seen the battery compartment add-on that I got.
@@EEVblog2 My original comment was intended to be more positive about Shahriar, but I think it also came off as negative about Dave's videos (oh, Hi there, Dave). Probably should have worded it better, sorry if it came out the wrong way.
Great video! I loved how you thoroughly loaded the oscilloscope at around 25:50 and it still performed its functions and the UI was still responsive. Is that also true when you use the touch? The reason of my question is that. surprisingly, the MDO3/4 that I evaluated back in 2019 was incredibly sluggish, requiring several seconds to respond to touch and its physical controls.
I very much want one on my bench i would love to have a monitor arm just hanging out with a scope on it that i can just move around the bench and always have right on hand
Fantastic explanation, thanks...interesting that they are moving to shelf components like TI. It must bring costs down! Don't you think layout reminds Rhode & Schwarz?
The big problem with it is that it has not galvanic isolated channel, you can not do isolated power motor control measurement. It is not interesting as you use to say. R&S has better with isolated 4 channel , please make review of that.
Tek had isolated bench and handheld, not forgot Fluke and the New Zeeland Isoscope and a french where i forgot the name. All with there own isolation technique. But shure R&S is 500MHz only.
Looks to be around $11,000.00 for the 4 channel 500mhz… $1700.00 for the 2 channel 70mhz. At those prices I assume it’s priced for government applications that are on the GSA schedule… Perhaps I’m looking at the wrong price sheet. The ZYNQ is a fairly expensive single part, but over ten grand seems a little spendy for what looks like a production scope… I guess it’s running some really costly firmware. Looks nice though.
At 13:00 you said that you're generating multi-tone "from DC to 500MHz", but, looking at the FFT, I see tones go all the way to 600MHz. I'm confused. Anyways, it's kind of interesting to find out how they do anti-aliasing: I see a roll-off starting at 500MHz, but other than that I can't figure out what's happening next. Is that their brick wall at 600MHz or simply you're not generating anything beyond that?
You have a different revision board compared to what Dave Jones got. I wonder who's board is newer and what the the differences, other than eMMC placement. Given the different connector for the battery i would guess that Dave's board is newer.
Mine is a qualification build, and I got it back in mid April. There are quite a number of differences if you look closely. This one has an entire extra memory chip next to the eMMC
amazing content as usual, when a new scope is released, i'm going directly to your channel, would it be possible for you to make an update on this? i'm especially interested in bus decode features
They only have to manufacture, stock, support, write-software-for one single piece of hardware. But they can charge a premium to higher end users. But it is frustrating to know you have the higher end hardware, but just cant use it, if you paid for lower end services.
One production line, 1 BOM to stock, 1 End of line test process, 1 stocking process, 1 returns and repair process! If the EEVBlog is anything to go by, and with the big difference in price between the bottom BW opt and the highest BW option, there will be someone that cracks the upgrade options!
@@tux1968 Maybe look at as they are selling you the 500 MHz scope, but knocking the price down if you want less bandwidth, like 100 MHz. Makes that 100 MHz scope affordable for those who only need that much. Maybe later you want more then you can buy it as an 'upgrade' (actually a 'less restricted').
Is the analog processing chip really custom-built by Tektronix or repackaged silicon? Asus rebadges off-the-shelf chips on their PC motherboards all the time.
I predicted flat panel scopes. All the mechanical buttons will disappear and it will be much thinner. I note that as products mature they don't bother with all the overengineering theatrics of many radio boxes and separate boards and big clumsy power supplies etc. Nor any of the RF voodoo paths or machines metal enclosures it would seem. Losing the irrational reverence seems to help.
I mean they could have provided at least a 10bit conversion... Also, the 2.5GS/s are a bit less for my taste. Even according to the price, they really could have implemented that. Sorry but I can't see any real innovation here... Update: I also can't find any data about the signal acquisition rate (wfms/s), which could be a sign that it's not high at all. Disappointing!
Dave from EEVblog did a waveform update rate comparison on it, and it is indeed much lower than would be expected: ruclips.net/video/RlwcdUnRw6w/видео.html
At first my PM 3206 s screen is green from jealousy, then it totally fell in love. Now I have a heartbroken piece of gear sitting on my bench.. You don't accidentally make a give away in the next couple days ? :D
Just watched both and played spot-the-difference on the PCBs. The layouts of Shahriar's and Dave's are subtly different. I won't spoil a good game, but position of ISSI memory is totally different.
What comes to my mind after seeing all 4 YT`s that the Tek manager say they test useability with a student class just before shutdown. I would have let youngers try to design there own instrument interface because i think they get biased by what they got presented. I could get not rid of the mind that old people determine how youngers should use products. Is this the next Nokia? Who knowns ... the pockets of others will tell.
18:42 SPOCK: I believe it is a primitive form of communication known as Morse Code. KIRK: You're right, Spock. I'm a little out of practice... Let's see... that's an "s." SPOCK: I believe the next letter is a "t." KIRK: "a"... "n"... "d"... end of word. McCOY: "Stand." KIRK: New word. "b"... "a"... "c"... "k." McCOY: "Back." "Stand back."
@@NeverTalkToCops1 I wouldn’t go that far. It’s very competitive against $500 scopes and I’d gladly pay that price, but retail pricing will likely be 10x higher.
Can The Signal Path do an experiment or comparision regarding low Waveform Capture Rate of Tek. Right now I am using Tek 4 series. How useful is the high Waveform capture rate. I have never used Keysight before. I am hoping Shahriar will provide an answer why Tek oscilloscopes costing several thousands of dollars is very weak in this area.
Plus, you can take the stand off and bolt it on the rear of your car for aerodynamics! This Tek product is becoming almost universally panned. A most horrible design.
What a great value for money and what a good review. Who gave you that toy? If you liked electronica you would never say those things. Write me and I will give you 200 reasons by email so we will never find something better, we will only find "marketing". Thank you for your passionate video.
The most expensive and overpriced oscilloscope in the world. With the fewest features and possibilities in the world. In the videos in which paid and Tektronix-dependent influencers promote this "entry-level oscilloscope" like sour beer and talk about $2,000 dollars, they are holding an oscilloscope in their hands that costs a good $20,000 dollars at Tektronix. Because all the features that are shown are not included in the $2000 version and have to be paid for separately. And it seems that this is the first "entry-level" oscilloscope that doesn't even include probes. And those cost another four-digit amount at Tektronix.
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Great job, as always!
Your board is significantly different than mine. When did you get yours? Mine is a qualification build from early April.
Hi Dave! My board was a prototype board they sent me from the factory. It is not the board inside the scope you saw operating. I suspect that it is older. I liked your analysis of the teardown!
@@Thesignalpath Oh, interesting! Looks like they removed an entire memory chip next to the eMMC and quite a few other changes including a shield over the relay. Mine must be pretty close to the production version then I presume.
Funny that the silkscreen has the ghosts of the previous memory chips in place :D
An update video would be great after they enable the digital channels and the pattern generator. I'm particularly interested in the latter's interface. Mostly how easy it is do generate standard protocols like I2C, SPI, UART, etc. Each time i need a very simple test involving one of those, i find it easiest to just hookup a MCU dev kit and write some code. I know my signal generators can do it, but usually its simple to write some code.
PS: Sorry for the spam of like 3 comments just from me.
Outstanding review. Specifically showing how to use the 'scope _correctly_ as opposed to what one might think how to use it based on old-school principles. Your usual in-depth testing and analysis is very much appreciated.
Thanks for doing these videos. I appreciate how in depth they are!
I just love that you and Dave EEV uploaded at almost the same time. Lots of stuff to be learned the next hour or so. Thank you guys :)
That's how embargoes work ;)
@@barthettema7323 it's indeed how they work.
You guys can actually stand Dave's 24/7 complaining? I'm impressed...
@@graealex welcome to life.
@Alexander_Gräf Dave has great content, his educational videos are awesome. But he lives from eevblog, and the educational videos are less accepted than clickbaits.
Drinking game - drink every time he uses the FFT function.
That wouldn't work for me... Whenever I watch a TSP video, I need BOTH of my brain cells to be FULLY functional in order to 'sponge' up all of the valuable info he provides!
The fact that you can float it via battery pack is quite useful. Nice job by Tektronix.
I have a problem with the membrane swiches it will wear out first the stenciling ,then the button it self.
No buttons were used in this video…
@@jeroenlodder5838 Sure there was, mouse button :)
@@jeroenlodder5838 The power button ?
Big thanks Shahriar. As always great video!
I love your video as you are tearingdown the thing, but the most important, explaining ideas about how to use triggers, fft and so on. About the scope, is lovely and too expensive for my budget (>12keur x 4 channels 500Mhz).
12k ? That is ridiculous
@@vmiguel1988 2 chan starts at 1.8k at like the ..50 mhz or whatever. Maybe +1k for the other two? Crippled down for sure, but the hardware is there.
Back when FLIR had their top of the line E8 selling for $6k and their entry level E4 selling for $1k good ol Mikeselectricstuff did a teardown. He quickly found out the huuuge piece of 320x240 uh SiGe? was left in there, just with different firmware...they were soon bought out by Teledyne ;) I don't think Tek would 'come agusta' considering how absolutely massively that mistake resonated..basically around the planet
In the Zync there are a few ARM A53s and an R. (Dave speculated the Rchips were for the display, but I'd actually guess the other way around). Anyways ARM's TrustZone hasn't been haxored yet I don't think. I bet you give Tek dollaz, they give you key, key goes on NV storage, auths against the private key that's internal to the IPcore which regulates the clock acq. And if that's if they really try-harded.
Unlike Rigol, Tek's a premium brand....its not like the literally millions of scopes they're going to sell to universities are going to be bottom-bought then cracked with keys. At least, they didn't steal Cadence or Altium at my uni haha (philosophy major, my AD creds wouldn't get me onto an EE machine to even try!)
5:12 like the way you lifted a few pads off when you removed the input shield! Not sure Tektronix were expecting that much of a teardown 🤣 Apart from the battery modularity option, there doesn't seem to be much different in functionality (for £10K) and performance than my Siglent SDS2504X Plus (£3K !) ... and the Siglent is 1/3rd of the price with more AWG options and protocol decoders and a 16 channel digital logic analyser !
This was a non-functional prototype board which I got from the factory. :)
Excelent review as always!.
I guess in the long term those pins on the front for the pattern generator front would be better than a female connector. Those female connectors have a very limited number of insertions before the contact springs loose flexibility and I guess they'd need to be replaced more often than potential broken pins.
Hijacking the thread here, it'd be very nice if you could make a tutorial of how to calibrate a VNA before performing measurements. I always have the feeling of missing something or 'being blind' when using a VNA 😁
ruclips.net/video/x-tbvAbh9jk/видео.html
The solution to that is to put a consumable connector as an interposer.
put a female plug on the PCB, then a make to female plug into that. You do all your work plugging on that second layer. when it's worn out you just replace that bit.
Obviously, Tek just lifted the embargo today because a "different EE-related youtube channel" just released another teardown of the same product. The difference is that one video was listed as a "WORLD EXCLUSIVE TEARDOWN!!!" while the other... well... wasn't. Shahriar, thank you for posting great content with zero nonsense.
Sounds like EEVblog thought he was the only one. Seems like an honest mistake, since they likely cannot contact each other about a product while it is under embargo.
@@nullptrRL Correct, I had no idea anyone else had one. When I got mine in April they were so rare that not even w2aew Alan Wolke who works at Tek had even seen the battery compartment add-on that I got.
@@EEVblog2 My original comment was intended to be more positive about Shahriar, but I think it also came off as negative about Dave's videos (oh, Hi there, Dave). Probably should have worded it better, sorry if it came out the wrong way.
@@EEVblog2 I still haven't had the battery accessory (or kickstand & rubber bumper & case) in my hands....
Interesting that both you and Dave got different versions of the board. I wouldn't expect Tek to send out pre-release stuff.
Very thoughtful experiments as always.
LOL, just watched Dave's teardown video 😉
Yes It would be very interesting to see the serial options at work.
I'm here because of neingag, congrats to 100k mate
Great video! I loved how you thoroughly loaded the oscilloscope at around 25:50 and it still performed its functions and the UI was still responsive. Is that also true when you use the touch? The reason of my question is that. surprisingly, the MDO3/4 that I evaluated back in 2019 was incredibly sluggish, requiring several seconds to respond to touch and its physical controls.
Come a long way since the venerable 465B , nice video!
I love the glass, rotary serving plate :) I hope the girlfriend doesn't mind :-D
WHAT??!!? Tek is releasing something sexier than Keysight entry level scopes?? This series 2 is pretty badass!
I very much want one on my bench
i would love to have a monitor arm just hanging out with a scope on it that i can just move around the bench and always have right on hand
Fantastic explanation, thanks...interesting that they are moving to shelf components like TI. It must bring costs down! Don't you think layout reminds Rhode & Schwarz?
The big problem with it is that it has not galvanic isolated channel, you can not do isolated power motor control measurement.
It is not interesting as you use to say. R&S has better with isolated 4 channel , please make review of that.
Tek had isolated bench and handheld, not forgot Fluke and the New Zeeland Isoscope and a french where i forgot the name. All with there own isolation technique. But shure R&S is 500MHz only.
Looks to be around $11,000.00 for the 4 channel 500mhz… $1700.00 for the 2 channel 70mhz. At those prices I assume it’s priced for government applications that are on the GSA schedule… Perhaps I’m looking at the wrong price sheet. The ZYNQ is a fairly expensive single part, but over ten grand seems a little spendy for what looks like a production scope… I guess it’s running some really costly firmware. Looks nice though.
Looks like your PCB is a different revision from Dave's. Notably the flash and some silk screening.
yeah, just spent a few minutes checking too :)
Quite a lot of differences on there if you search around.
Great review! I noticed, function generator doesn't have sweep mode (and bode plot function)? So it is much simpler than one in Rigol mso5074
I hope they add those functions.
Excellent review.
nice!
great contents and wonderful videos. thanks for sharing .....subbed !~
Very good video!
German company protectionfilm24 make custom made anti reflection, which is very good , I try it on my R&S oscilloscope. Recommend you.
Did you ever do a review of 4 series or 3 series?
At 13:00 you said that you're generating multi-tone "from DC to 500MHz", but, looking at the FFT, I see tones go all the way to 600MHz. I'm confused. Anyways, it's kind of interesting to find out how they do anti-aliasing: I see a roll-off starting at 500MHz, but other than that I can't figure out what's happening next. Is that their brick wall at 600MHz or simply you're not generating anything beyond that?
I was generating tones up to 600MHz actually, not 500MHz.
Is this also a WORLD EXCLUSIVE teardown?
Nope.
Waiting for Clive's! :)
You have a different revision board compared to what Dave Jones got. I wonder who's board is newer and what the the differences, other than eMMC placement. Given the different connector for the battery i would guess that Dave's board is newer.
Mine is a qualification build, and I got it back in mid April. There are quite a number of differences if you look closely. This one has an entire extra memory chip next to the eMMC
@@EEVblog Yeah after i wrote the comment i looked for other differences and there were a lot.
amazing content as usual, when a new scope is released, i'm going directly to your channel, would it be possible for you to make an update on this? i'm especially interested in bus decode features
THis FFT is made based on input voltage, but FFT is in dBm, so it is assuming that there is 50Ohm load and calculates power or it should be in dB.
Does this scope have isolated channels, both from earth when using mains, and from each other? or all the channels referenced to a single ground?
I don't understand why they make same hardware for all models and then lock it to 70 MHz. What they get by doing that?
They only have to manufacture, stock, support, write-software-for one single piece of hardware. But they can charge a premium to higher end users. But it is frustrating to know you have the higher end hardware, but just cant use it, if you paid for lower end services.
One production line, 1 BOM to stock, 1 End of line test process, 1 stocking process, 1 returns and repair process! If the EEVBlog is anything to go by, and with the big difference in price between the bottom BW opt and the highest BW option, there will be someone that cracks the upgrade options!
@@tux1968 Maybe look at as they are selling you the 500 MHz scope, but knocking the price down if you want less bandwidth, like 100 MHz. Makes that 100 MHz scope affordable for those who only need that much. Maybe later you want more then you can buy it as an 'upgrade' (actually a 'less restricted').
Is the analog processing chip really custom-built by Tektronix or repackaged silicon? Asus rebadges off-the-shelf chips on their PC motherboards all the time.
The front-end is a Tek designed custom IC.
I predicted flat panel scopes. All the mechanical buttons will disappear and it will be much thinner.
I note that as products mature they don't bother with all the overengineering theatrics of many radio boxes and separate boards and big clumsy power supplies etc. Nor any of the RF voodoo paths or machines metal enclosures it would seem. Losing the irrational reverence seems to help.
I mean they could have provided at least a 10bit conversion... Also, the 2.5GS/s are a bit less for my taste. Even according to the price, they really could have implemented that. Sorry but I can't see any real innovation here... Update: I also can't find any data about the signal acquisition rate (wfms/s), which could be a sign that it's not high at all. Disappointing!
Dave from EEVblog did a waveform update rate comparison on it, and it is indeed much lower than would be expected: ruclips.net/video/RlwcdUnRw6w/видео.html
At first my PM 3206 s screen is green from jealousy, then it totally fell in love. Now I have a heartbroken piece of gear sitting on my bench.. You don't accidentally make a give away in the next couple days ? :D
Just watched both and played spot-the-difference on the PCBs. The layouts of Shahriar's and Dave's are subtly different. I won't spoil a good game, but position of ISSI memory is totally different.
What comes to my mind after seeing all 4 YT`s that the Tek manager say they test useability with a student class just before shutdown. I would have let youngers try to design there own instrument interface because i think they get biased by what they got presented. I could get not rid of the mind that old people determine how youngers should use products. Is this the next Nokia? Who knowns ... the pockets of others will tell.
18:42 SPOCK: I believe it is a primitive form of communication known as Morse Code. KIRK: You're right, Spock. I'm a little out of practice... Let's see... that's an "s." SPOCK: I believe the next letter is a "t." KIRK: "a"... "n"... "d"... end of word. McCOY: "Stand." KIRK: New word. "b"... "a"... "c"... "k." McCOY: "Back." "Stand back."
This was a wonderful walkthrough. I am not a fan of the form factor but that's just my preference.
👍👍
Hey, you have one as well?
Great demo!
I'm currious about the price. Has it been released?
AT any price, the thing is horrible.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 I wouldn’t go that far. It’s very competitive against $500 scopes and I’d gladly pay that price, but retail pricing will likely be 10x higher.
Membrane switches is a huge bummer for me.
Can The Signal Path do an experiment or comparision regarding low Waveform Capture Rate of Tek. Right now I am using Tek 4 series. How useful is the high Waveform capture rate. I have never used Keysight before. I am hoping Shahriar will provide an answer why Tek oscilloscopes costing several thousands of dollars is very weak in this area.
this scope is way way to expensive
Tektronix should totally send me one to review on my channel. My 312 subscribers would love it :D
#MeToo (and I don't even HAVE a channel so my 'subscriber count' is around 1)
Seems bit over $11k for 500MHz version.
You are shure. Then it would be dead at start.
@@reinerfranke5436 over £10K here in the UK!
👍🍌
Any info on pricing?
Dude
Where is my car?
Very good scope, but a terrible screen reflection.
It’s not as bad in person.
@@Thesignalpath yeah, maybe the studio light makes that worse. thanks.
It looks pretty crappy to be totally honest
Aren't RS snobs so predictable?
do u work for tek?
No.
Plus, you can take the stand off and bolt it on the rear of your car for aerodynamics! This Tek product is becoming almost universally panned. A most horrible design.
А мне нравится. Симпатичная штука. Вам дизайн или измерять?
What a great value for money and what a good review. Who gave you that toy? If you liked electronica you would never say those things. Write me and I will give you 200 reasons by email so we will never find something better, we will only find "marketing". Thank you for your passionate video.
The most expensive and overpriced oscilloscope in the world. With the fewest features and possibilities in the world. In the videos in which paid and Tektronix-dependent influencers promote this "entry-level oscilloscope" like sour beer and talk about $2,000 dollars, they are holding an oscilloscope in their hands that costs a good $20,000 dollars at Tektronix. Because all the features that are shown are not included in the $2000 version and have to be paid for separately.
And it seems that this is the first "entry-level" oscilloscope that doesn't even include probes. And those cost another four-digit amount at Tektronix.
I just love that you and Dave EEV uploaded at almost the same time. Lots of stuff to be learned the next hour or so. Thank you guys :)
It's like Tektronix told them when they could release the videos. /s
@@Okurka. Not told so much as allowed. They will have been under an NDA with a specific embargo time & date.