Lost Gospel of Judas Discussed at RSE Part 1
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- The Lost Gospel of Judas Iscariot: A New Look at Betrayer and Betrayed: Bart Ehrman, offers the first comprehensive account of the newly discovered Gospel of Judas, revealing what this legendary lost gospel contains and why it is so important for our understanding of Christianity. Bart Ehrman opened with a review of his book at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment (RSE) Fall follow-up in Yelm, Washington, November 6, 2013.
Book shared on Bart Ehrman's Foundation Blog: ehrmanblog.org/...
Part 2 of this video: • Lost Gospel of Judas D...
Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University. At UNC he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. A graduate of Wheaton College (Illinois), Professor Ehrman received both his Masters of Divinity and Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude.
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This Judas book is already a more compelling story. Their mythos simply has better story progression.
Yeah it has better world building and character development and more compelling story telling
That’s what happens when you only use stories from different mythos and then pick only the bits you want to forward a narrow view, AND rewrite what you have to force it to fit.
@Wilhelm Rackman hakapaladonat We'll be waiting lol
Skip to 2:55
The intro guy talks too slow.
Thanks!!
Thank you
I wondered when we would get past the boring intro.
3:15 to miss the applause
Thanks! But he kinda drags things out too, sadly.
Sounds like many of the gospels were what we would call fan fiction today
They were busy fighting ship wars, but instead of writing about which characters have the best relationship, they're writing about who has the best relationship with God.
I am not a believer, but Jesus and history of Christianity is very interesting; I want to see all Bart's video lectures.
This is the clearest exposition of gnosticism I've ever come across. And orthodoxy, heterodoxy and heresy. Brilliantly combines impartial information with entertaining delivery. Bravo Bart Ehrman.
Not so impartial...
Indeed. Clear and accurate and accessible.
@@YannisHourdakisPhD less impartial than an orthodox christian trying to teach this, surely.
@Gene Hornung None of those are really mutually exclusive
What I like about listening to Bart is I finally learn how to pronounce some of these Biblical names.
the lore is so ahead of its time. damn like good anime / scifi writing
After having watched many of your presentations here on RUclips, I have just bought Lost Christianities. When reading this, I am constantly amazed by your scholarship and the lucidity of your writing. I also hugely enjoyed the way this book gave me a glimpse into the wonderfully strange mindset of people in the ancient world. Thank you so much for popularizing your fascinating field of study.
I would love to hear you speak one day, but live in the Netherlands. Do you ever give presentations in Europe?
Ehrman is a fantastic pedagogue. Great teacher, great communicator, great speaker.
Thanks, Dr. Erhman, for your intellectual honesty and willingness to share.
The world makes more sense after reading the Gospel of Judas!
Bryan Interlaken actually it does. It’s pretty common in religions to see that some people are worshipping false gods and that they are being misled
Thats what Satan was counting on...you believing one iota of this nonsense.
@@nasticanasta in order for Satan to count on something, Satan would have to exist.
T REX lol you think God is so weak he can't preserve his word...your idea of God is more weak than you
CYN3RGY because you have all the truth...that's why you read books like these? Lol good one
Gnostics: this world is a dumpster fire
Me: yeah I can get behind that
Such a good speaker. Could listen to him all day
Thank you, professor! Your lectures are absolutely fascinating!
someone needs to make a movie
And 7:10 ... In 150 AD, there were Christians smarter than all Evangelicals today...
Christianity is the best example we have of a failed mystery religion.
Actually it Devoured Mithrism and that entity is what survived... The Bastard God of the Papal State.
@Pretentious Bear Powerful in europe during middle ages wich was for all of the europe DARK AGES, so ..... go see in canada,usa curches closing down and dying no body goes there totally dying, europe 85 % atheist wich speaks volume that christinaity in fact as lots of people hadsaid was a weak religion and papal states hold to it till its death in 1700s
@Pretentious Bear christianity is on a massive decline. The bibles message of misogyny and being ok with slavery isnt gonna work in 2021. Plus the overwhelming evidence of Evolution.
26:22 “when he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them because they were harried and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.”
This does explain why the main God of the canon is such a blood thirsty lunatic
Don't say that, one day you he will come back and you will see him face to face.
The only way to see the power of God is only through his Holly spirit no other way.
Then god should be more generous with spreading the holy spirit...
It is evidence that the judeo-christian god is just another man-made fantasy character....just like the tooth fairy and Zeus. And that is the truth.
Maybe a big brother, little brother situation (though that still gives the question of how the gods came into being).
I don't think it's supposed to.
Thank you for your intellectual honesty Mr. Ehrman! (I only hope the sound quality of most of your future videos will be in-sync with the video) *^_^*
Why do the introductions in every one of these have to drag on so looooooong? CUT TO THE CHASE! WE WANT BART!
Go to 2:46
So the audience know the speaker is not some random dude off the streets, but a scholarly academic.
It was 3 minutes long and you can fast forward.
Because the hoax requires you give credence to these people... Since their rep is all they have... The evidence of anything they claim is inescapably anecdotal.... AKA nothing...
@@andrewfrank7222 Sure thing buddy, keep telling yourself that. I studied this gospel at Uni.
You received a standing ovation at the beginning, nice!
Thanks prof Ehrman, you're a star, you are the light of the world.
20:00 4 anonymous Gospels named matthew, mark, luke & john arbitrarily in current canon; & another 40 Gospels not included. Judas is one of the oldest of those 40 Gospels.
@Eric Maza I did some internet searching. Your claim appears to be false. We have a list of all the scrolls and Matthew is not among them.
Also "The owls are not what they seem"
The fourth kind. The clouds are ships, angels are drones helpers. They can literally create beings like saibaman in dragon ball Z. The Gospel of Judas is my favorite anime episode
@@Hadesyungin yeah, it does sound like anime
Have you heard of that famous theologian Michael Servetus ? He was a spanish Christian Tgeologian also known as Miguel Serveto . He was also a physician, cartographer, and Renaissance humanist. He was the first European to correctly describe the function of pulmonary circulation, as discussed in Christianismi Restitutio (1553). He was a polymath versed in many sciences: mathematics, astronomy and meteorology, geography, human anatomy, medicine and pharmacology, as well as jurisprudence, translation, poetry and the scholarly study of the Bible in its original languages.After carefully studying & researching He concluded that the Concept of Trinity is wrong & Jesus was not divine / God . He wrote books on this subject ; (1) Christianismi Restitutio (The Restoration of Christianity), ,(2) De Trinitatis Erroribus (On the Errors of the Trinity) ,(3) Dialogorum de Trinitate (Dialogues on the Trinity) and (4) De Iustitia Regni Christi (On the Justice of Christ's Reign). So He started preaching the Oneness of tge God & Jesus being not that one Gid but a Prophet of the God ( Islam) . The Christian Churches did not like it & accused Him of being Heretic & put Him on a drama unfair trial & BURNT HIM ALIVE WHILE PUT HIS BOOKS ARPUND HIM !! The Christian Churches gave a clear message to us ; if anyone expose their FALSE religion than they will do that to us . Tell me , is this love or TERRORISM ??!!
Even if the theological concept of Trinity is wrong there is no way Jesus were a prophet of Islam. Islam it wasn't a thing until Muhammad. Also if Jesus is prophet of Islam then he is far more superior than Muhammad, because he is the Son of Allah, he was risen from the dead, he performed miracles etc.
There is evidence that the Quran is just old texts from before muhammad was even born. Ie it must be false also.
@@adorabasilwinterpock6035 Can you link me those texts? People keep tell me that and when I ask for the texts, they never provide. I am not accusing you of lying, I just really want to see those texts. I tried google and couldn't find.
Adora Basil Winterpock
Not old texts, but stories are taken fm
Jewish texts and also other prevailing texts at that time, such as infancy gospel of Thomas which has the same narrative of Jesus giving life to clay birds.
I'm a Christian Gnostic and would like to thank Mr. Ehrman for making Gnosticism sound silly!lol
A good demonstration of how good human beings are at making up intricate nonsense.
Gnostics make simple that which is intricate in the Bible that lacks in how we get and perform the scripture like the lesson of FAITH. such as if you have the faith of a grain of a mustard seed . You could say to a mountain get up and move from there to hear and there is nothing you can't do. No way could you do it without the spark its just not possible. Constantine is the man (devil) that made sure this knowledge was hidden . Its all about the control of humanity. The Roman's were many things but not stupid . Amen.
Well if youre lost, you wont understand the actual objective perspective on his findings, just believe in Whatever everyone blindly says, like the rest of the sheep in the world.
Nemesis1ism To my untrained ears, Gnostics seem to have achieved little more than regress mystic notions into a pantheon and play games of obversion with any and every possible plain text teaching. I could very well just be uninitiated, but then again, nothing the Gnostics knew could stave of their demise; let alone move mountains.
@@espositogregory They were killed off by more fundamentalist christians… what were they supposed to do, become stab-proof?
@@Nemesis1ism I would say all religion is that
He's a damn good speaker.
Starts at 3:15
So the goodies are actually the baddies then ? That explains Jahweh's behaviour in the OT !
Tony D'Arcy Meh. Until you've read the Torah (OT if you must) in Biblical Hebrew, there is really no way to say this so flatly.
Gregory Esposito explain then
@@espositogregory Would that really make a significant difference?
Could you please give some examples maybe?
@@espositogregory Do you mean there are actual differences between the translations and the original text in terms of lost or changed meaning? Or is this like what Muslims say about the Quran and how people should read it in Arabic to actually be able to start to understand it. The latter might include theological baggage with it, so I find it to be a bit disingenuous because anyone should be able to read this type of text and understand the meaning of it. So, which is it?
@Anthony Emrick wow we are powerful is the deception? Listen to you, we have limits as humans, a man cannot tell you, you can perform miracles, a man, yes Jesus is no god.
Kudos to the thumbnail capture algorithm for making Bart do the robot.
Bruh, Bart deadass looks like he’s spittin bars in the thumbnail.
Very interesting, funny and entertaining. Good work
Love this teacher and his style. I recommend this talk (Part 2 follows) because Professor Erhman describes what was going on with written religious books in the earliest growth of the Jewish-Christian sect. For people who want to understand the context and the time, and consider plausible truths, I think this doc is superior to many. Enjoy. ps "This world was created by a bloodthirsty rebel and a fool" (according to the Gnostic writings)...:)...well...that would certainly explain a lot, wouldn't it? #ProfessorErhman #CharmingSocialScientists #EvidencevsDogma #PlausibleTruth
As hunger calls for food and thirst for water..so what does this deep longing in my heart call for..it longs for satisfaction by who or how..as a car runs on gas..my spirit must run on God..for hope, filling, peace and comfort I must go to him..the Christian God foots that bill for me..maybe not for everyone. The beauty of Theism is that it makes possible a rship with that which is stronger than him. If you had a rich uncle who could help you but refuse his help because you don't understand him..that would not be wise. If you refuse help from that who is stronger than you, how shall you be helped? Agnostic is appealing but not satisfying.. What makes a person a friend is the rship you have with him/ her..not merely knowing their name#..From Nairobi. Kenya
And you know that same beauty exists in the nihilism and self-humbling views of Buddhism/Taoism, where we no longer need a stronger party to aid us in our selfish endeavours because all desire is simply that: selfish.
And once we learn of our inherent selfishness and constant fight for senseless desires, we become aware of our present situation with a sense of gratitude, less fixated on the impossibility of fixing what cannot be made to mend, and less inclined to be envious, less honour-killing prone, less belligerent to protect religious values, etc.
For some reason, call it logic perhaps, I find that brings much more peace than spending an eternity with outspread arms, begging a cryptic God to answer our unanswerable prayers, justifying His silence with confirmation biases (He works in mysterious ways ...), and having to grapple with why God would value some lives and toss away others in order for His "Kingdom come" (for example, how he hardened the hearts of King Saul and the Egyptian Pharaoh when it was perfectly clear they never meant to cause harm to the ones they've loved but as explicitly detailed in the Bible were made to be the bad guys by God himself) --- does that bring peace to you?
It never sat right with me that God could call himself compassionate and yet cause humans to undergo so much trauma and tragedy for His own glory (literally, killing His own Son so that people will see how graceful He is??? How about no intentional killing of anyone?) And what of Sarai, who was so desperate for a child that she allowed the copulation of her handmaiden Haigar and her 100 year old husband Abram, only to have her child-barren desperation lead to God cursing humanity with the still-ongoing blood war between Jews and Muslims begatten by the separation of half brothers Ishmael and Jacob. Does this truly bring you peace, may I ask?
thank you. this is highly edifying for my belief and my job!
thee rock star of theological discourse. im a big fan, Bart
You got "Rocks" in your head !
One always will be able to come up with fantastic story that will envelope the previous one, since we are still present in the realm of fantasy and fiction. Unfortunately for everybody, after all this marvellous beginning(s) and past, rich with all sorts of miracles, all we have now, is the reality - the kingdom of Chaos, as they say in that gospels. If no one gives us more than just another claim - an evidence or proof of any kind will suffice - we have to deal with our reality in terms of science and critical thinking.
Very nice, informative and dense speech, by the way.
Thank you for a most informative lecture! I was quite shocked in that not being in any way qualified in these matters but just a seeker of TRUTH! That I had come to many of the same conclusions as yourself after a look into the book of Judas and considering any relevant information!
He's speaking here. It's a woo, new age hippie institute. Weird folks indeed.
Ramtha's School of Enlightenment (RSE) is an American spiritual sect near the rural town of Yelm, Washington, U.S. The school was established in 1988 by J. Z. Knight, who claims to channel a 35,000-year-old being called Ramtha the Enlightened One. The school's teachings are based on these channeling sessions.
If Judas betrayal was part of a prophecy,then he was abiding by Gods plan. He did what he was born to do.
That's RIGHTTTTttttttt...... It's an old and common theme through antiquity.
he had no free will?
@ darth nader Nope, Judas did not have freewill... I cant look up the verse right now, but it says essentially, "Jesus dipped the bread and handed it to Judas. When Judas ate of the bread Satan entered him. Then Jesus said, "What you do- do it quickly".
If you want the verse- reply to this- I can look it up later.
yaryar1976 .. Judas was a part of the roman god tales nothing more ..
Apparently he was prophesied to betray Jesus in the cannon so this argument could stand true. Technically he obeyed God
Very interesting and informative.
Amazing, really enjoy listening your speech. Really interesting
Gnostics resonate with the eastern philosophies/religions... where a Guru (realised soul) can initiate the student to “realise” the divine within, and so connect with the universal divine , and ultimately merge with the source. We regard Gnostics as holding the original SPIRITUAL message of Jesus .. which was lost with the romamized/politicicized/Paul-ean Christianity we see today.
Polytheist here, and I am interested in the historical development of Judaism and Christianity. Gnosticism sounds very interesting, reminds me of other esoteric mystery belief systems such as Mithraism and Hermeticism.
The sound of this video was minimized than that other videos here on youtube..why?
Very well presented. He is always brilliant.
Never wear too much brown at the same time.
+Bart D. Ehrman
Fascinating.
They must of been on some strong mushrooms
It is very weird and compelling how well ancient gnostic texts fit into the psychedelic universe.
... the tree of knowledge
The coptic expert say:"yeah i saw it 20 years ago".
Great content 😌👍
Excellent!
Bart is like a Rock Star
This is phenomenal, I always had the feeling to know about Judas, a revelation? no! just a hunch.
i respect how he slides in Jesus is the Son of God yet knows alot of the teachings in the Bible are a wee bit twisted. Thanks to teaching like this sheeple in church are wakeing up. God bless you sir
so the gospel of Judas is the oldest bible's fanfic?
Didn't know you had your own channel!! subbed
It's always fun to watch Bart talk and I learn so much.
Awesome info outstanding delivery
"Bart, do you want to dress nicely for the event?"
"Nah. I'm not gonna worry about it."
Ha, no kidding. I've chastised him many times for his hobo fashion style.
@@seriouskaraoke879 I like his hobo style. It makes him look like a hobo.
Classic professor garb
@@mver191
Makes him look like he's not in it for the money.
Consider it the ultimate presenter power-play. Next to eating a steak and smoking a cigar during the talk, there are few better ways to scream “I don’t hive a ****!” while preserving dignity
Isaiah 53:5, But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes, we are healed.
For salvation, people just need to follow the way they did it in Acts? They were baptized in the water and of the spirit. Here's why! The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If we are to follow him, we must do the same thing. Death= repentance, Burial = baptism, and resurrection = being filled and rising again from the dead. That's what Acts 2:38 is.
We must obey the gospel, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ... Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in Heaven. St John 3:3-5, EXCEPT a man be born of WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD.
We can't come up with our own gospel. Galatians 1:8-9, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Don't be cursed. One way for all people. Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritan. Our salvation has to match-up with the scriptures and no scriptures on the subject can be taken away.
Eternity is TOOO long to be WRONG! st John 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The gospels show what Christ has done on the cross for us. The book of Acts shows us the beginning of Christ's Church and how to enter the Church, obeying Acts 2:38. The letters were written to the Church to show us how to behave now that we are born again into the Church.
It's better to walk alone than to walk with a crowd going in the wrong direction. Are we supposed to follow the teachings of the apostles? Acts 2:42, They continued steadfastly in the apostle's doctrines. Ephesians 2:20, We are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. If you believe in this message, help spread it in the name of Jesus Christ. God bless you!
Sound more believable than the rest of the writings.
The Gospel of Judas and The Gospel of Thomas can be harmonized side by side. Sequentially aligned thoughts, words & rhetoric are highlighted with colour for ease of comparison & contrast. Using this sequential harmony, line by line, each book seems to provide insight into the other.
(C.f. angelfire. com/in4/universalism/ThomasJudasIscariot. html )
That is some weirder than normal 💩 right there. I really enjoyed listening to it. Thank you for sharing the knowledge. Glad that it was possible to save and preserve it after that greedy jerk almost ruined it.
As described, Gnosticism sounds a whole helluva lot like Scientology's Xenu story.
Also the idea that you need to know the secret that cannot be told to everyone.
L. Ron Hubbard was an escoterosist and Satanist, so would have been well aware of the gnostic texts (fyi: I'm not saying gnosticism is satanic)
It wouldn't be too surprising if Hubbard wasn't inspired by the gnostic gospels, when he was coming up with his Xenu story and subsequently Scientology.
I myself have been inspired by gnostic and Sumerian texts when writing my own works.
I think its fascinating.
Shit, I can't watch this. I'm writing a book about exactly this without knowing of this idea, and I can't let this affect it. Too many coincidences enough. I can't do it.
Could the sound be any more quiet
Clickbait thumbnail!! Watched the whole video waiting for him to do the robot but he never does!!!
There are around 60 gospels, including the four that arbitrarily made the cut.
"The world is a cosmic disaster..."
Well that explains a lot.
The Greeks felt that way too, their pantheon wasn't even composed of well-meaning gods. Later someone proposed this dilemma: 1. God is great 2. God is good 3. Bad things happen. One of the above must be wrong. Which do you choose to discard? Removing 3 blames the victims, removing 2 is terrible, 1 means God is hapless or too distant to care about humans, like Crom.
fascinating talk.
Sounds like Jesus and the disciples may have had too much to drink at that meal...
This makes the ritual of communion more clear! The practice of cannibalism!
i was wondering why would the imperfect divine beings want to entrap the parts of divine...
Why does the bread become consumed? Why is the grain transmuted from earth and again into the bread? Teleology is the provenience of intellect, and knowledge and secrecy are like bread and water.
@@rickstevens1167 just cut to the chase and answer the damn question...
Amazing journey
I was wondering why the public was having so much fun, then I read where the lesson took place. All clear now...
As an atheist, it annoys me when people use the word "agnostic" out of context. The colloquial definition is somebody who claims that we can not know and/or don't know about whether or not God exists, and what not. Obviously, the Gnostics were a very different group, and "agnostics" would thus be precisely the opposite, aka, everybody else.
So the proper definition, without reference to the religious groups, as Brat suggests, would be Gnostic = possessor of hidden/secret knowledge, and Agnostic = not gnostic. The colloquial definition of agnostic is very misleading. So I avoid beating around the bush and just use "atheist," meaning "not theist."
BlackEpyon Words mean what they mean, not what you construe them to be by way of analogy. How can you be mislead, since you have demonstrated that you know the actual meanings of the words? Also, before there can be an A-theist, A-gnostic, A-anything, there has to be a theist, gnostic, etc in the first place - so why do you start out with what "agnostic" means, and then claim gnostic, the word agonstic is derived from, is misleading? Confused much you are... Language is not static.
well put
well put!
+BlackEpyon The definition you hear from Bart in part two is so beautiful I adopted it for myself is: Agnostic is about knowing and if you admit you don't know if God exists. Atheism is about belief and if you don't believe that God exists. Bart says that because he is a scholar he prefers knowledge over belief so he identifies as agnostic. :)
niv tom
"Gnostic" was originally used to define a sect that ran parallel to ancient Judaism (and even crept it's way into Christianity in some denominations), who basically said that knowledge of the kingdom of heaven had to be revealed, it could not be learned. If you had to ask, you weren't in the know.
I've almost certainly mis-characterized these guys, but the group is hard to pin down. Point is that the term "Gnostic," which you will notice that auto-correct always capitalizes, while intrinsically meant "having (hidden) knowledge" in reference to the hidden secrets of heaven, the context is different that what is used today.
HOWEVER, this is beside the point. Who goes around asking if you KNOW if God exists? They always ask you if you BELIEVE, because in the faith, belief is more important than knowledge. Epistemologicaly, we are dealing with two different questions. Atheists who call themselves agnostics instead of atheist are dancing around the issue in an attempt to not seem as dogmatic as the religious claim we are. It pisses me off sometimes, because the religious go out of their way to claim that an atheist actively believes against God, and other such mischaracterizations.
I never thought about the fact that Peter would have not learned to write....
Christina BlackFeather now you know.. is it a life changing experience?
Why would it be?
lol... as if any of that bible shit is even remotely likely to be true :-D
Bart is just assuming that. Even if Peter couldn't write when he was with Jesus. He had many years to learn.
The Romans murdered Peter, yet they claim their institution was established by the person they crucified? Does it seem like mankind will believe whatever they're told to believe?
I agree with the Gnostics on almost every point
I do also! It all makes perfect sense!
How can he betrayed when he told Judas what to do?
Skip to 3:37
I wonder how many of Professor Ehrman's students are converted to Atheism based upon his teaching, or at least are inspired to delve into greater research.
Thelly Shirendal yet he’s not an atheist himself
His job is to separate the flock.
The date of the writings makes its credibility.
damn , this fanfic is better than the original and explains some plot holes
I encourage folks to read this script for themselves, this is an unjustly oversimplified explanation with too much emphasis on the unimportant and complete omission of the important. It does however fit nicely into his understanding of the "Gnostics"
What's the main difference between the Cainites and the Abelians? The Cainites don't commute.
Freeman Presson Cain was the seed child of the serpent
That's an idea that I can see some esoteric use for. However, I was just making a math joke.
You might think this is a joke but in reality it is highly esoteric knowledge. Group theory contains a deep mystical meaning that has yet to be uncovered.
Well, to be fair, the Abelites are all dead, so .. they really can't do anything ..
Amazing lecture
And they smoked what in those days?
Very informative
Odd that the pentagram is the most prominent thing in the room.
That is a star. To be a pentagram, the star would have to have a circle around it. Do your research.
The gnostic writings is very much like the Eastern religions, ie. the divine spark in every body, part of the cosmos, only knowable though someone who is already connected /knows/ merged with the divine.. If only the politicoRomanised colonising supremecist Christians didn't kill all the gnostics & outlawed their scripture, the world would be a much different place..
The constant giggling and laughing of the audience annoys the hell out of me.
Zoroastrianism makes more sense that gnostic reversed Genesis
Gnostics sound like a predecessor to both Scientology and Mormonism.
OnekiKai Interesting. Not so much Scientology, but Mormonism... Yes. Very much in line with Gnostics. Knowledge is power. I realize your comment is ignorant in nature, but more accurate than you think.
This couldn’t be more incorrect.
It is not written by Judas himself how would you believe that?
The Cainites sound like the Pastafarians of their time.😁
Where in this conversation are the Caininites mentioned?
I like to think they were more like the Scientologists of their time but... You might be right, I don't know.
See? I have issues with everyone having visions and not actuals. smh. Great explanation. Thank you.
The original scam. "Hey, I got secret knowledge. But it ain't gonna be cheap! But with it you can.. live forever!" Ka-ching!
Knowledge was always delivered free to those deserving (having made the effort needed to achieve and understand).
Scums pretend to be such people. Use your wisdom to tell the difference.