I think Andor was so good because disney forgot about it so the suits had basically no influence over it, it was given time and written by people who actually care about good story telling. So much of what disney star wars has been is dangling some keys (cameo's, fan service, etc) infront of the baby (fans) and hoping that can distract from how bad the product actually is.
It could also be because they had nothing riding on Andor. Nobody really cares about Cassian Andor, there were no legacy characters that needed to be tampered with, so they probably just had free hands to do something they wanted to do, rather than “this has to be done that way or shareholders might get scared.”
Totally right! Andor was amazing because K.K. said: "yeah, whatever!" signed the approval and never thought about it again. If she have had the slightest hope for success she would have made sure that it got done right the Kennedy way.
There are noticeable quality differences but blaming generic suits is a copout without pointing to specific examples and people. Suits can influence a lot but how and to what extent? Have the writers on Kenobi, for example, ever come out and say that they had to write something a certain way that they would not have made otherwise?
I laughed when you and your wife are discussing Mara, and she said that Luke was "jaded." Intentional or not, that was hilarious 🤣. I really enjoyed this format, and would like it if you guys did more, and longer would good too. Keep it up, love your content as usual!
One thing I noticed is that the projects with less pressure get the better writing. The Episodes, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, and recently Mandalorian were expected to be huge hits so I imagine Disney execs started sticking their noses in the scripting process.
Usually how it goes with big media corporations. That's why Daredevil is usually one of the best characters over at Marvel. He's just popular enough to always have a book with quality writers, but also not popular enough to have management and the creatively deficient bean counters all up in his business making idiotic editorial mandates.
I personally like this format. Being able to cover multiple topics means you can say as much as you want without worrying if the video is too short or anything like that.
That's exactly the issue. The higher profile the project, the more it becomes about checking boxes for investors. This is a big problem right now across all Disney brands, not just Lucasfilm.
One thing that works with Andor is that the core story is very much drawn from reality. I’ve read or podcasted a not insignificant amount about revolutions and insurgencies and why the most powerful nations in history consistently lose to two-bit bands of rebels. I think that is a huge part of why it lands so well, it’s just so organically real.
I completely agree. Andor shows you how to start a rebellion - the first step being prodding the oppressive force into going too far, Creating that situation is often worse than anything the enemy would have done.
Modern Star Wars is treated like Fast Food pumping out less quality and more of quantity food basically instead of getting served a delicious course instead you get crappy fast food that is how I see it.
Lucasfilm: Can I take your order, please? Customer: Yes, let me have a high quality Star Wars movie and TV show with actual good writing. Lucasfilm: Will that be all? Customer: That's it. Lucasfilm: Alright ( Gives customer a very low quality Star Wars movie and TV show with poor writing ). Customer: Excuse me, this is not what I asked.
@SunyD88 Yeah it may taste good but you'll feel like crap eventually. With a Home Cooked Meal or Food made by Chefs using real ingredients it will blow your mind and taste not only delicious but the flavor is amazing as well because of it. Hard Work Food pays off and is better all around using Natural ingredients. Fast Food is made in a Factory and makes u feel like garbage afterwards.
Star Wars in public domain would actually be awesome. People somehow assume being in public domain would be strange, but most of the things we like came from public domain. Disney's catalogue is pretty much built by public domain. Having different takes on SW would be awesome.
Agreed. Keep her in the EU. Now I know what Disney will do to EU characters I don’t want them near the EU stuff, compared with a few years back where I was like “just so the EU stuff”
i think a big reason why it's inconsistent is they make a lot of content and the content is for different audiences. "Force Awakens," "Rogue One," and "Mandolorian" all have different audiences in mind I think.
The most annoying thing about modern Star Wars is that there is no large scale war. While the rebellion and empire were in no way equals, there were still sizable offensives going on between them. It wasn't until the very end of the ST that there was an actual sizable fleet battle. The only time we've seen peer-to-peer engagements was in the PT and that's honestly what has made me love that era so much.
If they even had the slightest clue or spark of creativity they could of built something rivaling a prime MCU, but they played it safe with TFA and then dropped the ball so badly pushing feminist garbage in TLJ all while having no long term plan...
It seems the less involved people like Kennedy and Co have on a project the better that project will be. For Bobf and Mando season 3 I think Dave Falony being mainly focused on Ashoka affected the quality as well.
Furloni is directly responsible for shoehorning of Booo-Karen as the her-o in Mando S3 instead of keeping her as a villain she is. Noone will convince me otherwise. It is 100% Furloni´s style: w0keness + his pet character nobody except of him cares about. Favreau said S3 wasn´t what he originally wanted. The character voiced by him was killed in S3. That is not a coincidence. Booo deserves to die. I fu*king hate her more and more with every appearance of hers. She was originally supposed to die in TCW, but Furloni got attached to her and it all went downhill. She is like KK´s insert in SW universe: she constantly fu*ks up everything and everyone suffers because of her, but she keeps falling upwars. And the arrogance of that talentless plank of wood who plays that loathsome sociopath is out of charts. She is worse than Brie Larson. She constantly praises that sociopathic narc everywhere and makes excuses for her atrocities. I guess the message is terrorism, slavery and scheming against your own sibling is OK if you´re a waaahman.
@@qwertyvypez I´m basing it on interviews and on previous Furloni´s work. Especially the animated shows speak volumes about his pathological obsession with his pet characters he can´t let go and bends the plot to keep them in his glorified fanfiction "forever". Kennedy is a lazy CEO, she doesn´t get involved in small projects which are not supposed to become very successful. In a retrospective I wish Mando never became a hit. Then there would be a chance to see the original version Favreau planned, with Din on the thorne in upgraded king version of his armor. There was some info about 2 years ago Pedro will remove his helmet more often in S3. There was an interview where Pedro talked about it. It was on RUclips somewhere. That would make sense if his story from the underdog to the ruler was finished as originally planned. It was all supposed to lead to the clans uniting with one basic creed for all of them. So getting rid of the helmet rule would make sense, and who else would be the one to establish it than Din? He met Mandos from other clan and Boba. They sidelined him and put Booo on his rightful and earned place as someone who "walked both worlds". OMG! Din "walked both worlds" too, and some more. He was the one who accepted Boba as worthy of his armor, not Booo. She has not apologized yet.
Dave Filoni is a Kennedy shill of the highest order. Don't drink the coolade. The Clone Wars was only good because Lucas was looking over his shoulder.
@@Mouse_Metal Exactly. The amount of morons who thing Filoni is the savior of Star Wars is embarrassing. There is no savior. No hope. Star Wars is the six film Saga called The Tragedy of Darth Vader with The Clone Wars as supplementary material.
I think it is BEYOND inconsistency. It is Poor management and straight neglect.... The People making our Star Wars today, are the same people who said "There is no material to draw or pull from, we have to make everything up new". But it goes much deeper than just the film side of it all. SW fans have been BEGGING for an Old Republic style show or movie for years, but we get Rey instead lol. Everyone LOVED that game so much! Star Wars Theory's Short was also VERY good. I liked how dark it was, and wish we got more stuff like that. and All this like dressing/dumbing it down for "modern Audiences" is just a BS cop out. There would be nothing wrong with making a PG13 or even R rated Star Wars, that is a little darker and I guarantee people would LOVE it! There have been times where they come close but its one short scene and then immediately undone by the proceeding BS. Stop trying to bring in New shit NOONE cares about and USE the existing story, it is soooooo DUMB and neglectful!!!! Just make A LOTR Style Old Republic story with MASSIVE scale and scope and it would absolutely SLAUGHTER the Box office!
Neglectful is a good word for it. I would also say they are selfish. They don't care (or just don't know) that George Lucas made the original six with certain themes in an attempt to better the world, examining prudence, selflessness, and courage. But now it's reduced to brainless plots, over-the-top fight scenes, references and cameos, and unsubstantial, self agrandizing "messages".🙄 Pathetic, and infantilizing. And they don't even care when they mischaracterize and step on the toes of old heroes just to prop up their narrative. Edit: They are incapable of creating good characters and stories, so they reframe old stuff to make it look worse than them
@@ThreadBareHope1234 Yeah exactly, It is all superficial Fanfic BS these days. There is ZERO depth or meaning in film today. And they have done nothing but ruin these once beloved things along the way, and just make people angry.
Usually anything kk gets personally involved in goes to hell, Mando was good as she was preoccupied with the movies. Then when she wasn’t boba and season 3 turned out the way they did as she was more involved
what if _Kenobi_ was just Obi-Wan moping around Tatooine for 3-6 episodes, and maybe saving little Luke from some non-Imperial bad guys, with lots of flashbacks to inform his thoughts? no Reva, no Leia… and no Vader, at least in the present timeline of the show?
Nice video Thor I wanted to give me two cents on the why is DIsney Star Wars is so inconsistent. Well one thing I think is when you have a large company like Lucasfilm under Disney with so many writers, producers and creatives in general, you're naturally going to see some variety in terms of tones and story structure. I mean, the MCU (for the most part) has a flowing narrative but not all the movies had the same tone or structure. The I think a more important reason is that some higher ups try too hard to make a certain project "profitable" that it ends up hurting it creatively and some of the better properties come out when creators are allowed to do their own thing without intervention or harsh deadlines. And this isn't just limited to Star Wars, it's a thing in the animation industry and Hollywood in general. Also this is more my interpretation than fact but I think Disney Star Wars is at its best when it tells new stories with new characters (not including the Sequel Trilogy). There are some exceptions to this rule such as Tales of Jedi which so far has covered characters we already know like Count Dooku and Ahsoka Tano but a lot of the more well received media like the Mandalorian, Andor and the Bad Batch follow new characters or newer characters that didn't get much screentime in the movies. Andor gave more insights into Cassian Andor as a character after his debut in Rogue One. The Bad Bach, while not the most popular characters have become much more beloved after their second season. Yeah, they didn't have the strongest start but tbf, neither did Clone Wars. The Mandalorian, I don't really feel like I need to go into detail about that one. Also, I feel another problem is the higher ups are focusing on quantity instead of quality, wanting to pump out as much content as possible to bring in money from theaters and DIsney+ (mostly the latter) because you know, that's why they bought Star Wars in the first place.: to make money. Of course, it becomes an issue when making money begins to overshadow making quality content that audiences enjoy. For me I think the nice thing I'd like Star Wars to do is to mostly tell new stories with new characters with maybe some crossovers every now and then to connect the stories a bit. And when I say crossovers, I don't mean like Zeb making a cameo in the Mandalorian season 3 and not doing anything, I mean like Maul, Rex, Ahsoka and Hando in Rebels, they show up and actually interact with characters and serve important roles in the plot. I have been steadfast in my belief that Rebels showed the correct way to do fanservice with legacy characters. Bring them in and have them do stuff but don't make the show about them. All four of these characters affected Ezra's journey as a person, as a Jedi and as a protagonist. Plus it was just fun to have them back. But you know, that's all just how I feel, I know I'm probably in the minority on all these matters.
The lack of planning is the biggest problem. If they didn’t even bother planning out the Sequel Trilogy which are the flagship movies of the whole saga, they aren’t going to plan anything else well as well and that negatively impacts everything. And the more they release products without proper planning, the bigger the mess gets. It gets to the point where even good stuff like Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor are only able to be good by being mostly disconnected from the greater galaxy lest they get contradicted or retconned by something else, or have to be saddled by events or plot lines that aren’t good. Contrast that with The Force Unleashed which was part of Legends that did connect with the rest of the galaxy in a cool way (it’s the story about the founding of the Rebel Alliance). Not necessarily saying TFU is the better game, but it is part of a better planned out franchise.
Arrogance, lack of planning, and "agenda based" content are the keys to this crappy nonsense, and the current state of Star Wars. I truly believe that Disney/Lucasfilm felt that they could just put "Star Wars" on anything, and that it would sell and be appreciated. Time has shown that this was a horrible miscalculation.
If Star Wars were to go into the public domain, which it will eventually, I don't think that all the various studios and other creators taking a crack at it would damage the original work at all or cause any real confusion. For an example of this, consider how much has been done with Sherlock Holmes over the years (including some very wild takes) and how it hasn't really affected anybody's ability to enjoy the original Arthur Conan Doyle stories that everybody agrees are the main canon.
I guess asking Lucasfilm for a movie or a TV show with actual quality is apparently too much for them. It's like asking a good cheeseburger pack with flavor and they instead give you a bland and raw burger.
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it turned out tthat Kathkeen Kennedy fired more people than shs hired - whether it's showrunners, directors and writers: I still remeber how near to completion the shooting for the Solo film was before Kathleen decided to fire Phil Lord and Chris Miller, ultimately costing the budget of that film to increase by alot when the duo was replaced by Ron Howard. Let's not forget Colin Trevorrow who was supposed to be the writer and director for the third sequel film, until they ultimately decided to replace him with J.J. Abrams. Let's not forget David Benioff and D.B Weiss, who was supposed to make a set of films alongside Rian Johnson, this was before everyone learned of how afwul GoT season 8 turned out to be, effectively costing them their contract with Star Wars. I could give more examples, but as you can see, under her management a lot of people are let go instead of retained, some even when the project is near completion, and not a lot of Star Wars project managed to be made because of how she runs things at Lucasfilm.
I would absolutely like to get more SW fan fiction from you! "Knights of the forsaken order" is my favorite :-) Dark Vengeance. Hidden Destiny! Yes. Thank you. More of that, please. And that`s just what I wan`t ;-)
Hey Thor, my book recommendation would be the X-Wing series in legends cannon. To me that is everything I want in Star Wars minus some Jedi and Sith interaction.
I think there is consistence and clear patterns in play mainly being the oscillating quality of releases and the patterns of writers and known vs unknown expectations. What I mean is the bad-good-bad cycle of releases such as The Mandolorian, then Kenobi and then Andor is a perfect representation of the trend or pattern and I think it comes down to two main things being the writers and the expectation of how good something we already know must be and the lack of expectation for new or unexplored areas. It's even possible that something really sad has happened whereby the more talented writers are able to express their creativity and freedom on projects while the less talented writers are being put on stuff which is guaranteed to sell such as the Kenobi series which is unfortunate if true because that is the one we expected the most from and had the highest hopes for. It's something that happened in the games too with the EA remakes of Battlefront being subpar in content but looking nice and flashy on the outside which is a pretty good analogy of the flashy exterior surrounding the hollow shell that Star Wars is now, compare that to the Jedi Survivor game which is a completely new and open area to work in and while it's not really for me it was very well received by players. Two situations, both demonstrate the lack of respect and care for the old established quality content and the potential they could have reached demonstrated by the people working with the freedom of unproven shows and games
I think the problem is as you said, Darth Kennedy is not really a Star Wars fan and doesn't understand it. The more heavily she is involved in the development of a show or movie, the less likely it is to be good.
Thor, I completely agree with your idea regarding the Old Republic. I honestly have been wanting this since the end of the prequels. I also agree that we don’t need Revan as a main character, just epic Jedi v Sith, something similar to Game of Thrones
This video format is surprisingly interesting keep it coming 😎. Personally I think a darth bane trilogy based on Drew Karpishyn’s books would be amazing if staying true to the material
Asoka should have died to Vader in Rebels. Would have been an awesome sendoff. Have liked some of her appearances since then but it makes more sense to have her dead by the time of A New Hope and saving her with time travel was weak.
I really enjoyed this style of video, you two play off each other well and I have to admit, this seems like the best solution for the “Mara Jade” problem, we, as a collective, are so divided, due to outlying factors, such as politics, preferences and experiences, and then it doesn’t help with Lucasfilm being so inconsistent with their media, and what story they’re trying to tell. So there’s not much hope that there’s going to be a people pleasing in fear, but I do think it would have a majority positive effect
Sure making SW (or any other franchise) public domain would be a mess... but its literally the job of Content-Creators to comment on that judge and organize this stuff. Like a next generation of literary science or theology^^ Its still basically where the developement is heading.
I hadn’t even thought about the possibility of Mara Jade being used to explain where Luke was in the sequels. Perhaps Luke has a student go bad who kills Mara Jade. So the next time he senses a student being tempted, he considers killing him.
Star Wars has always been inconsistent. "Holiday Special" and "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" came out before "Empire Strikes Back" and "Heir to the Empire." I watched the Ewoks movies and Droids cartoons as a kid, but couldn't re-watch them when I tried. I want them to keep pumping out content because SOME of it is going to be amazing. I'm probably better than most at ignoring the stuff I don't like, and re-watching the good stuff.
Interesting video. Plz do a video expanding what new characters you’d do in the KOTOR era, just intrigued. Also what directors in the current landscape of film would best suit a SW film. I have many.
The Old Republic times and stories, specifically before Bane's Rule of Two began, is a goldmine. If Disney wants new characters, that would be a great place to start. You have thousands of years to work with. They should have made all the old books non cannon then filled their stories in using ToR as a rough guideline. (Even tho legends books tend to be my fav.)
Good style of video to maybe give answers to some questions which might be too short to get their own videos, so yeah, keep this style around, but if you have the time of course and see a question that warrants a longer answer do the single-topic ones too 😊
Also incorrect. Those qualities has nothing to do with inconsistent quality of the shows. Seems like you are not even interested in the question and just want to repeat the mantra, as if it'd change something.
4:31 I thought they might make her and co go to the unknown regions and then there might start, either during or after the Filoni movie, a big alien invasion similar to the one in legends. And then the Ahsoka and co might have their own seperate fight, mostly detached from the sequels, in the following star wars releases, if that story will ever go that way. That could be one way of continuing Ahoska's (and the others) stories without out right killing them. I mainly think that there might be a chance of this happening since I think Filoni said when people were upset about Ahoska likely being dead in Episode IX becaause of her voice being in the movie, that that moment was supposed the be just like a small easter-egg instead of meaning that she is definitively dead at that point. But who knows, guess we'll just have to wait and see how things develop.
I honestly thought it was the divide between getting people passionate about a project and those who don't care. A lot of KK approved projects have the rubber stamp of 'approval' and end up messes. Yet the ones that slip past her notice because they were 'beneath her' has that spark we gravitate towards. Yes the prequels were kind of bad and had their flaws, but there was a charm you could clearly see that drew you to them. Like a friend or someone at a camp fire trying to tell you a tale and while the story itself is bland, the level of effort and how that person says it keeps you drawn in. Bad Batch had you come back like comfortable food that held no surprises until you ran into that one really good moment that surprised you in an enjoyable way. Jedi Survivor has you running around and some of the fight scenes are kind of stupid... But there is that passion which has you ignore the flaws and marvel at the gem they try to tell you. Obi-Woke, Mando Season 3, and (insert latest mess here) is...bland. That cheap bland taste of something that is insulting at how... Bland and worthless it tastes. I will take a bad episode of Star Wars before KK took the throne over most of their new garbage. Because at least when you had a bad episode you could accept it and move on... Instead of being told that a slice of bread with these and a bit of tomato sauce was the exact same thing as a fully baked pizza and that you were wrong for complaining about it.
Hey thor, do you think It actualy makes sense to read comic books or books based on star wars when any director can rectcon anything in a Disney plus series?
I want characters to die. Andor is great because all of three characters have plot armor: mon mothma, cassian and saw. Hell we spent almost three hours with the aldahni crew and three died within five minutes of screen time. Ashoka should be let go before they burn her out. My guess is that theyd save it for the theatrical release.
1:54 Correct me if i’m wrong but wasn’t it Jon Favreau who asked Disney to hold off on doing merchandise for Grogu in order to keep his reveal a secret? Which Disney lost out on millions of dollars that first season. Plus you don’t need to need to keep Grogu on the show in order to continue selling merchandise.
Hey Thor! If you were given the opportunity to rewrite the sequels, but were required to use the same plot points, how would accomplish it? For example, you would have to include things like a broken Luke, a new Empire-type threat, and have Palpatine return, all while using elements and characters introduced in the sequels. Personally, if I had to write about a broken Luke Skywalker, I would have him feel so guilty about Kylo's fall that he begins to have an unhealthy obsession over finding him and making things right. I would use that obsession to explain how the First Order managed to become a threat while Luke was still around. Anyways, I'd love to hear how you would handle it!
Its because Lucasfilm is divided into teams. You got the film industry team. You got the animated team. You got the Favreau team. You got the rogue one team. You got dice team and you got respawn team. Each of these team level in quality which is why its so inconsistent. Also these teams let eachother do their own thing more or less with no information sharing so it kinda feels like each project is disjointed from one another.
I'm tired if the trilogy story telling vehicle. Since I'm a grumpy old Star Wars fan (that means I don't want to know everything) because I'm too lazy to read anything these days, but I'm interested in Darth Plagueis and Catalyst because of your video. Some of the toxic fandom I think includes people who hear that someone's a Star Wars fan, they think that person consumes everything Star Wars. I know I should just chill out, but it really is one of the major problems for me with being Star Wars fan. Maybe I'm just too casual with everything.😂
It's crazy that one of the directors from Andor is remaking Kenobi series and it looks so much better. Imagine if that guy and his team had full control of the project from the beginning
I think it has so much to do with them wanting to spread out directors and writers instead of picking a singular creative team (jon & dave) to be in charge of the overall creative decisions like I think Marvel does. I think having a singular vision to what is being built too is better than just randomly choosing directors and writers that your friends with. I mean this happened in the sequels, instead of giving Abrams a full trilogy KK decided to give her buddy Rian a turn. That would eventually lead to the movie that was the Rise of Skywalker and the Last Jedi. (not saying Abrams would have made the sequels amazing or anything). Just a thought that came in my mind...
JJ is almost entirely to blame for the sequels. The opening crawl of TFA had luke in exile. The plot of the first movie was trying to find hermit Luke. RJ made a movie that I think is a good movie, even if the ST sucked in aggregate. TFA was nostalgia trash but was a fun trash. ROS is barely watchable.
@@stevebreedlove9760 I get what your saying, but it would have been nicer to see what JJ's idea was (not saying it would have been good, just a single narrative instead of 2) and prevent the ROS from existing. Or they could have just done the Colin Trevorrow movie (which I think would be the best of the ST...)
I can never accept the BS that Jedi didn't fall in love, or have families. The force is an expression of life lived to its fullest, and ripping children away from their parents, and forbidding marriage and strong emotional attachments runs completely counter to the entire idea of the force. That crap more than anything proved toe that George had utterly lost his way when Marcia left him, and the prequels were almost a revenge fantasy against her.
You know that the entire idea was that the Jedi were wrong for that having become a central thing, because they let the ***fear*** of someone falling to the Dark Side over those things cloud their judgment.
2:43 There was no Jedi vs. Sith in the Old Republic. "Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.' Well, that never happened. That's just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2,000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end, they killed each other off, and there wasn't anything left." - George Lucas
I've made videos discussing the Lucas version of the history of the Jedi and Sith. However, in the new canon, it's already established that such battles took place.
I don't think or hope Ahsoka dies in that movie. That is or should be the movie that ends the first phase of the Mandowerse. So she will be around for a wile. If they kill her just because her voice was in the end of TRoS, then they are really stupid. JJ didn't know that only force ghosts could speak though the force, he just took known characters.
I'm glad I was born just in time to enjoy Star Wars for a few years before Disney bought it. I remember the awe I felt reading the visual dictionary and learning about Darth Revan, the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi covenant. The movies are awesome but the EU is what cemented my love for the franchise. Not to mention Thrawn, Jace Malcom, Tarre Vizsla, Yuuzhan Vong wars, Abeloth and the Legacy comics. NOW Star Wars is just a generic slop fest more concerned with politics and feminism than telling a good story that people actually WANT to watch.
Hey Thor, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEAS make a video discussing your impressions of the PATTERSON CUT of the Kenobi series. IMHO he did an admirable job of cleaning up what was a historically disappointing offering by Disney/Lucasfilm. If you haven't seen it yet, (I find that hard to imagine) please look for it and take a couple of hours to witness what a skilled editor can do with not very much in the way of raw materials.
I honestly think they need someone to right the ship and understand the franchise. Although DC hasn't fully been incorporated to James Gunn's vision, but coming off Guardians Volume 3, the Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker, you basically know that he understands how to do his job. Dave Filoni has shown that he understands the franchise, and how to build a universe. He should be leading Lucasfilm, or at least be the decision maker regarding cinematic projects. Also, I think that Mara Jade could be one of the reasons why he might change his opinion on attachment, opening up Grogu's training, he falls in love, his actions change, mistakes are made, becomes jaded, sequels explained. That's probably the only thing that could explain such a different Luke that we see in the Sequels.
Like they new video style. Hope you make another like this. Just in case, would you agree that if the precuels have been made with the Yuuzhan Vong war, could have keep the interest of fans, and would make more money in figures, vehicles and merchandising in general.
My idea for a Revan movie would actually not have him as a protagonist but an important focal point for the plot. Instead the story would follow one of the jedi who joined him and the close friend of that jedi, another jedi, who didn't join Revan.
I know the popular urban legend states that KK interferes with the SW writers - but it's established (as said here in the video) that she's a good business manager - someone with years and years of managing Hollywood style-entertainment businesses. She's obviously a capable & intelligent person - I don't think Lucas would have tolerated her if she wasn't. So it's one or the other - bc a "good manager" in any business knows when to back off & let their employees do what they're being paid to do. So all of y'all swallowing this conspiracy theory that she's meddling all the time simply can't be true. I think it's more likely what else was said here - she does not understand what's she's managing - meaning she's hiring ppl of different quality & backgrounds & letting them write & run amok without actually meddling - so in reality she's not meddling enough, or even worse, she doesn't understand when to meddle & intercede when needed, like a good manager would. With all the "firing" of movie writers she's done, she failed to understand that meddling was necessary for the Sequels. Instead she just kept saying, "We're really excited for such and such." She's not excited - she has no idea if she should be excited, but she's selling the company line. That's what's really probably happening.
To my mind, the quality of Disney Star Wars has been very consistent. Speaking of live-action, everything so far has been absolutely terrible. The best of the bunch may be Solo, which I'd give 2/10 at most. Other stuff like Andor, Force Awakens or Rogue One is downright abysmal.
Different writers and directors, usually inept. No quality assurance. Miserable leadership. All compliments of Ms. Kathleen, "don't ask me... I'm just a girl" Kennedy.🤷🏽♀️
Heres a question ; Is it more likely we get Capt. Rex OR Kix in Ahsoka. It's currently 50 years after the clone wars which in the timeline is when they find medic clone CT-6116; Kix
Hey Thor, If in the future if someone had a question specifically for your wife on a pop culture subject she's the "Expert" on how would she be addressed? Would it be "Hey Mrs. Thor.." or something else like "Hey Siv" since that's Thor's wife, if I remember my mythology correctly? I hope you got a laugh out of this question.
Hey Thor I'm keen to see your comics collection and also can you rank all the dark horse comics and the current marvel star wars comics. Which ones you love and which ones you think should go in the garbage. Also for new comers which ones would you recommend as let's be honest comics can be a little scary. Personally I love the dark horse stuff empire/rebellion is amazing and dark times is also cool. Current what I have read, Kanan and the original Vader are magic. Keep up the good work 🤟🤟
Thor I'd love to hear your thoughts on turning the Thrawn Ascendancy novels into a movie trilogy. It would have a popular character, Thrawn, but would be unique since it would involve factions and races that aren't the same old players and wouldn't involve jedi who some people think are overused. Thoughts?
@6:40 - that is sort of a problem with TFA - it finishes mid scene. It forces certain elements to occur. The other Star Wars movies actually finish at the end of a scene with an expectation set up but none that requires a very specific opening. But again, TFA was sold on a Luke Teaser that turned out to be basically irrelevant for the film. It’s why the film is even worse in hindsight (even if some will claim “it’s the best of sequels”).
The reason that the quality is different for the different Star Wars project seems to be if Kathleen is in charge or not. For Andor I don't think she was involved at all, Gilroy had the script ready and didn't change anything. When it comes to Mandowerse Iger put Kathleen away to work with "Children of Blood and Bones " to give Jon Favrou peace ans quiet to creat his mandowers. Then Chapek took her back in time for BoBF. So BoBF and all other project's she's been involved in.
Hey, Thor. I have been wondering. What if the prequels had been made in 1987, 1990 and 1993 as originally planned? Personally, I think Johnny Depp would be cast as Anakin because at the time he was the right age and had that "Rebel Without a Cause" vibe. I also think that both sides of the clone wars would use clones because of the limited computer technology. Lastly, while I think Naboo, Coruscant, Tatooine, Geonosis and Mustafar would be *relatively* the same with a few tweaks, I think the rest of the planets we saw would be considerably different. But what do you think?
Not THOR here … but … interesting idea about casting Johnny Depp as a tortured soul; Anakin on his troubled idealistic yet narcissistic moral decline and fall to Vader … but … Depp would have been 24 years old in 1987. How do you see that working for the first prequel which showed Anakin as a BOY first identified by Qui-Gon? And a 27 year old padawan Depp in 1990 is less of a stretch … I guess? , but still … No doubt Depp would have been a much more interesting actor to watch show this inner and outer turmoil … as well as his corruption by a sly manipulative sophist. Elaborate … (and for bonus point fun !!! … tell me who would have played Qui-Gon in these earlier prequels? Any ideas? Qui-Gon is … that most important rebel Jedi who served such an important role in the overall story … he’s independent minded enough to identify the chosen one who would save the galaxy from the corruption within both the Jedi and the Republic? Or was he? Is that the narrative about him and the republic and the Jedi we wanna believe? Anyway … actor for Qui-Gon opposite Johnny Depp? 😀
@@B_Estes_Undegöetz Well they didn't have Hayden as Anakin in TPM. I also think that had they started the prequels back then George would have gone with his original grand plan where the OT would end up renumbered afterwards - each trilogy would be preceded by a prologue episode, with TPM being the prologue to a trilogy focused on the Clone Wars consisting of AotC, a midquel that did similar things to what TCW did in showing the Republic becoming the Empire in all but name, and RotS, and then a new prologue movie to the OT that focused on the rise of the Alliance to Restore the Republic from a small group of politicians into the actual fighting force that it was in ANH, possibly still led by Padmé, who was raising Luke and Leia with the help of figures like Bail and Mon Mothma until Vader was commanded to seek out the leader of the rebellion by Sidious and kill her, not knowing it was Padmé until it was too late, and never knowing that he had fathered twins with her as she had disappeared along with Obi-Wan and Yoda after he was scarred on Mustafar.
The problem is that Kathleen Kennedy has turned Star Wars into this sandbox playground for any director she's friends with. Instead of finding a few styles that really work well and letting them continue to develop and provide quality content... She continously brings in new directors like an industrial assembly line. That's why SW content is wildly inconsistent.
Mara Jade was a character the George disliked deepely, and I'm glad she never made it to the canon now that Disney owns it. It's like the ultimate spit-in-the-face, girl boss or cliché thing "she was bad but fell in love" COME ON!....I see Luke more like having to choose between the Jedi and the Republic in some situation and that's when it went southways for him
I think Andor was so good because disney forgot about it so the suits had basically no influence over it, it was given time and written by people who actually care about good story telling. So much of what disney star wars has been is dangling some keys (cameo's, fan service, etc) infront of the baby (fans) and hoping that can distract from how bad the product actually is.
It could also be because they had nothing riding on Andor. Nobody really cares about Cassian Andor, there were no legacy characters that needed to be tampered with, so they probably just had free hands to do something they wanted to do, rather than “this has to be done that way or shareholders might get scared.”
Totally right! Andor was amazing because K.K. said: "yeah, whatever!" signed the approval and never thought about it again. If she have had the slightest hope for success she would have made sure that it got done right the Kennedy way.
yup, Andor, the show no one ever wanted and no one ever asked for. Top-shelf ninja move!!!
There are noticeable quality differences but blaming generic suits is a copout without pointing to specific examples and people. Suits can influence a lot but how and to what extent? Have the writers on Kenobi, for example, ever come out and say that they had to write something a certain way that they would not have made otherwise?
I agree. Disney totally forgot about Andor. That’s why it was so good!
I laughed when you and your wife are discussing Mara, and she said that Luke was "jaded." Intentional or not, that was hilarious 🤣. I really enjoyed this format, and would like it if you guys did more, and longer would good too. Keep it up, love your content as usual!
One thing I noticed is that the projects with less pressure get the better writing. The Episodes, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, and recently Mandalorian were expected to be huge hits so I imagine Disney execs started sticking their noses in the scripting process.
Usually how it goes with big media corporations. That's why Daredevil is usually one of the best characters over at Marvel. He's just popular enough to always have a book with quality writers, but also not popular enough to have management and the creatively deficient bean counters all up in his business making idiotic editorial mandates.
I personally like this format. Being able to cover multiple topics means you can say as much as you want without worrying if the video is too short or anything like that.
That's exactly the issue. The higher profile the project, the more it becomes about checking boxes for investors. This is a big problem right now across all Disney brands, not just Lucasfilm.
One thing that works with Andor is that the core story is very much drawn from reality. I’ve read or podcasted a not insignificant amount about revolutions and insurgencies and why the most powerful nations in history consistently lose to two-bit bands of rebels. I think that is a huge part of why it lands so well, it’s just so organically real.
I completely agree.
Andor shows you how to start a rebellion - the first step being prodding the oppressive force into going too far, Creating that situation is often worse than anything the enemy would have done.
Andor is an expose on how to wage revolution and the moral quandaries within. Share your podcast @JD!
Modern Star Wars is treated like Fast Food pumping out less quality and more of quantity food basically instead of getting served a delicious course instead you get crappy fast food that is how I see it.
Perfectly described
Lucasfilm: Can I take your order, please?
Customer: Yes, let me have a high quality Star Wars movie and TV show with actual good writing.
Lucasfilm: Will that be all?
Customer: That's it.
Lucasfilm: Alright ( Gives customer a very low quality Star Wars movie and TV show with poor writing ).
Customer: Excuse me, this is not what I asked.
Hey, at least some fast food tastes real good lol
@@dereklopez9060 Lucasfilm: how dare you be sexist!
@SunyD88 Yeah it may taste good but you'll feel like crap eventually.
With a Home Cooked Meal or Food made by Chefs using real ingredients it will blow your mind and taste not only delicious but the flavor is amazing as well because of it. Hard Work Food pays off and is better all around using Natural ingredients. Fast Food is made in a Factory and makes u feel like garbage afterwards.
Star Wars in public domain would actually be awesome.
People somehow assume being in public domain would be strange, but most of the things we like came from public domain. Disney's catalogue is pretty much built by public domain.
Having different takes on SW would be awesome.
Hay check out "AFanWithTooMuchTime" he's not only got/trying to get his own writing going but has a good Star Wars vs Warhammer 40K FanFic going.
I hope they'll not corrupt Mara Jade... let her rest.... she's to good for this 'new canon'
Agreed. Keep her in the EU.
Now I know what Disney will do to EU characters I don’t want them near the EU stuff, compared with a few years back where I was like “just so the EU stuff”
i think a big reason why it's inconsistent is they make a lot of content and the content is for different audiences. "Force Awakens," "Rogue One," and "Mandolorian" all have different audiences in mind I think.
The most annoying thing about modern Star Wars is that there is no large scale war. While the rebellion and empire were in no way equals, there were still sizable offensives going on between them. It wasn't until the very end of the ST that there was an actual sizable fleet battle. The only time we've seen peer-to-peer engagements was in the PT and that's honestly what has made me love that era so much.
If they even had the slightest clue or spark of creativity they could of built something rivaling a prime MCU, but they played it safe with TFA and then dropped the ball so badly pushing feminist garbage in TLJ all while having no long term plan...
It seems the less involved people like Kennedy and Co have on a project the better that project will be. For Bobf and Mando season 3 I think Dave Falony being mainly focused on Ashoka affected the quality as well.
Furloni is directly responsible for shoehorning of Booo-Karen as the her-o in Mando S3 instead of keeping her as a villain she is. Noone will convince me otherwise. It is 100% Furloni´s style: w0keness + his pet character nobody except of him cares about.
Favreau said S3 wasn´t what he originally wanted. The character voiced by him was killed in S3. That is not a coincidence.
Booo deserves to die. I fu*king hate her more and more with every appearance of hers. She was originally supposed to die in TCW, but Furloni got attached to her and it all went downhill. She is like KK´s insert in SW universe: she constantly fu*ks up everything and everyone suffers because of her, but she keeps falling upwars.
And the arrogance of that talentless plank of wood who plays that loathsome sociopath is out of charts. She is worse than Brie Larson. She constantly praises that sociopathic narc everywhere and makes excuses for her atrocities. I guess the message is terrorism, slavery and scheming against your own sibling is OK if you´re a waaahman.
What are you basing that on? Genuine question btw, how do you know Kennedys level of involvement with each project?
@@qwertyvypez I´m basing it on interviews and on previous Furloni´s work. Especially the animated shows speak volumes about his pathological obsession with his pet characters he can´t let go and bends the plot to keep them in his glorified fanfiction "forever".
Kennedy is a lazy CEO, she doesn´t get involved in small projects which are not supposed to become very successful.
In a retrospective I wish Mando never became a hit. Then there would be a chance to see the original version Favreau planned, with Din on the thorne in upgraded king version of his armor.
There was some info about 2 years ago Pedro will remove his helmet more often in S3. There was an interview where Pedro talked about it. It was on RUclips somewhere.
That would make sense if his story from the underdog to the ruler was finished as originally planned. It was all supposed to lead to the clans uniting with one basic creed for all of them. So getting rid of the helmet rule would make sense, and who else would be the one to establish it than Din? He met Mandos from other clan and Boba.
They sidelined him and put Booo on his rightful and earned place as someone who "walked both worlds". OMG! Din "walked both worlds" too, and some more. He was the one who accepted Boba as worthy of his armor, not Booo. She has not apologized yet.
Dave Filoni is a Kennedy shill of the highest order. Don't drink the coolade. The Clone Wars was only good because Lucas was looking over his shoulder.
@@Mouse_Metal Exactly. The amount of morons who thing Filoni is the savior of Star Wars is embarrassing. There is no savior. No hope. Star Wars is the six film Saga called The Tragedy of Darth Vader with The Clone Wars as supplementary material.
I think it is BEYOND inconsistency. It is Poor management and straight neglect.... The People making our Star Wars today, are the same people who said "There is no material to draw or pull from, we have to make everything up new". But it goes much deeper than just the film side of it all.
SW fans have been BEGGING for an Old Republic style show or movie for years, but we get Rey instead lol. Everyone LOVED that game so much! Star Wars Theory's Short was also VERY good. I liked how dark it was, and wish we got more stuff like that. and All this like dressing/dumbing it down for "modern Audiences" is just a BS cop out. There would be nothing wrong with making a PG13 or even R rated Star Wars, that is a little darker and I guarantee people would LOVE it! There have been times where they come close but its one short scene and then immediately undone by the proceeding BS. Stop trying to bring in New shit NOONE cares about and USE the existing story, it is soooooo DUMB and neglectful!!!! Just make A LOTR Style Old Republic story with MASSIVE scale and scope and it would absolutely SLAUGHTER the Box office!
Neglectful is a good word for it. I would also say they are selfish.
They don't care (or just don't know) that George Lucas made the original six with certain themes in an attempt to better the world, examining prudence, selflessness, and courage. But now it's reduced to brainless plots, over-the-top fight scenes, references and cameos, and unsubstantial, self agrandizing "messages".🙄 Pathetic, and infantilizing. And they don't even care when they mischaracterize and step on the toes of old heroes just to prop up their narrative.
Edit: They are incapable of creating good characters and stories, so they reframe old stuff to make it look worse than them
As long as you get the right people to make the movies/shows.
@@ThreadBareHope1234 Yeah exactly, It is all superficial Fanfic BS these days. There is ZERO depth or meaning in film today. And they have done nothing but ruin these once beloved things along the way, and just make people angry.
@@mrbeans2425 Yeah. And they could care less that it's a stain on someone alses contribution to humanity.😥😥
Kathleen Palpatine is intimated by talent. She only picks activist film makers who share her world view and can be totally controlled.
Usually anything kk gets personally involved in goes to hell, Mando was good as she was preoccupied with the movies. Then when she wasn’t boba and season 3 turned out the way they did as she was more involved
Rodriguez isnt a good film maker. BOBF was doomed from the start
I am happy to hear you guys cover the Jedi Survivor story! Glad to hear you have completed it!
I definitely enjoyed the format and would love to see more of it.
Public Domain would be the ultimate wild EU 😂🎉😂🎉😂
The only projects that turn put good are the ones that fly below the radar. Andor, Bad Batch, and Mando S1 are the best examples
Get rid of the radar, it's not a dictatorship. The story is literally about overthrowing stifling authorities.
what if _Kenobi_ was just Obi-Wan moping around Tatooine for 3-6 episodes, and maybe saving little Luke from some non-Imperial bad guys, with lots of flashbacks to inform his thoughts? no Reva, no Leia… and no Vader, at least in the present timeline of the show?
If it's done well - then why not?
He would presumably end up moping at Mos Eisley ... we'd get to hear even more great space jazz tunes!
@@jazzx251 - smoking some death stix.
I love Q&A style videos like this personally. Gives a chance to engage directly with you since you don't do the live show thing
Nice video Thor
I wanted to give me two cents on the why is DIsney Star Wars is so inconsistent. Well one thing I think is when you have a large company like Lucasfilm under Disney with so many writers, producers and creatives in general, you're naturally going to see some variety in terms of tones and story structure. I mean, the MCU (for the most part) has a flowing narrative but not all the movies had the same tone or structure.
The I think a more important reason is that some higher ups try too hard to make a certain project "profitable" that it ends up hurting it creatively and some of the better properties come out when creators are allowed to do their own thing without intervention or harsh deadlines. And this isn't just limited to Star Wars, it's a thing in the animation industry and Hollywood in general. Also this is more my interpretation than fact but I think Disney Star Wars is at its best when it tells new stories with new characters (not including the Sequel Trilogy). There are some exceptions to this rule such as Tales of Jedi which so far has covered characters we already know like Count Dooku and Ahsoka Tano but a lot of the more well received media like the Mandalorian, Andor and the Bad Batch follow new characters or newer characters that didn't get much screentime in the movies. Andor gave more insights into Cassian Andor as a character after his debut in Rogue One. The Bad Bach, while not the most popular characters have become much more beloved after their second season. Yeah, they didn't have the strongest start but tbf, neither did Clone Wars. The Mandalorian, I don't really feel like I need to go into detail about that one.
Also, I feel another problem is the higher ups are focusing on quantity instead of quality, wanting to pump out as much content as possible to bring in money from theaters and DIsney+ (mostly the latter) because you know, that's why they bought Star Wars in the first place.: to make money. Of course, it becomes an issue when making money begins to overshadow making quality content that audiences enjoy.
For me I think the nice thing I'd like Star Wars to do is to mostly tell new stories with new characters with maybe some crossovers every now and then to connect the stories a bit. And when I say crossovers, I don't mean like Zeb making a cameo in the Mandalorian season 3 and not doing anything, I mean like Maul, Rex, Ahsoka and Hando in Rebels, they show up and actually interact with characters and serve important roles in the plot. I have been steadfast in my belief that Rebels showed the correct way to do fanservice with legacy characters. Bring them in and have them do stuff but don't make the show about them. All four of these characters affected Ezra's journey as a person, as a Jedi and as a protagonist. Plus it was just fun to have them back. But you know, that's all just how I feel, I know I'm probably in the minority on all these matters.
The lack of planning is the biggest problem. If they didn’t even bother planning out the Sequel Trilogy which are the flagship movies of the whole saga, they aren’t going to plan anything else well as well and that negatively impacts everything. And the more they release products without proper planning, the bigger the mess gets. It gets to the point where even good stuff like Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor are only able to be good by being mostly disconnected from the greater galaxy lest they get contradicted or retconned by something else, or have to be saddled by events or plot lines that aren’t good. Contrast that with The Force Unleashed which was part of Legends that did connect with the rest of the galaxy in a cool way (it’s the story about the founding of the Rebel Alliance). Not necessarily saying TFU is the better game, but it is part of a better planned out franchise.
Arrogance, lack of planning, and "agenda based" content are the keys to this crappy nonsense, and the current state of Star Wars. I truly believe that Disney/Lucasfilm felt that they could just put "Star Wars" on anything, and that it would sell and be appreciated. Time has shown that this was a horrible miscalculation.
The only agenda of a corporation is profit. I suggest you keep your insecurities and social anxieties to yourself.
If Star Wars were to go into the public domain, which it will eventually, I don't think that all the various studios and other creators taking a crack at it would damage the original work at all or cause any real confusion. For an example of this, consider how much has been done with Sherlock Holmes over the years (including some very wild takes) and how it hasn't really affected anybody's ability to enjoy the original Arthur Conan Doyle stories that everybody agrees are the main canon.
I guess asking Lucasfilm for a movie or a TV show with actual quality is apparently too much for them.
It's like asking a good cheeseburger pack with flavor and they instead give you a bland and raw burger.
We all know how Gordon Ramsy feels about Raw food.
@@FTChomp9980 THE BURGER IS RAAAAW!!!! YOU DONKEY! GET OUT!!
I always enjoy getting more videos with both of you discussing things together, so I'm all for this series!
Good format! Nice to have some day-to-day thoughts and interaction with fans
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it turned out tthat Kathkeen Kennedy fired more people than shs hired - whether it's showrunners, directors and writers:
I still remeber how near to completion the shooting for the Solo film was before Kathleen decided to fire Phil Lord and Chris Miller, ultimately costing the budget of that film to increase by alot when the duo was replaced by Ron Howard.
Let's not forget Colin Trevorrow who was supposed to be the writer and director for the third sequel film, until they ultimately decided to replace him with J.J. Abrams.
Let's not forget David Benioff and D.B Weiss, who was supposed to make a set of films alongside Rian Johnson, this was before everyone learned of how afwul GoT season 8 turned out to be, effectively costing them their contract with Star Wars.
I could give more examples, but as you can see, under her management a lot of people are let go instead of retained, some even when the project is near completion, and not a lot of Star Wars project managed to be made because of how she runs things at Lucasfilm.
I would absolutely like to get more SW fan fiction from you! "Knights of the forsaken order" is my favorite :-) Dark Vengeance. Hidden Destiny! Yes. Thank you. More of that, please. And that`s just what I wan`t ;-)
I really enjoy the discussions when you're both on, you're very entertaining together.
“ if you try to please everyone, you will please no one”
- Sudha Murty
Hey Thor, my book recommendation would be the X-Wing series in legends cannon. To me that is everything I want in Star Wars minus some Jedi and Sith interaction.
I think there is consistence and clear patterns in play mainly being the oscillating quality of releases and the patterns of writers and known vs unknown expectations.
What I mean is the bad-good-bad cycle of releases such as The Mandolorian, then Kenobi and then Andor is a perfect representation of the trend or pattern and I think it comes down to two main things being the writers and the expectation of how good something we already know must be and the lack of expectation for new or unexplored areas. It's even possible that something really sad has happened whereby the more talented writers are able to express their creativity and freedom on projects while the less talented writers are being put on stuff which is guaranteed to sell such as the Kenobi series which is unfortunate if true because that is the one we expected the most from and had the highest hopes for.
It's something that happened in the games too with the EA remakes of Battlefront being subpar in content but looking nice and flashy on the outside which is a pretty good analogy of the flashy exterior surrounding the hollow shell that Star Wars is now, compare that to the Jedi Survivor game which is a completely new and open area to work in and while it's not really for me it was very well received by players.
Two situations, both demonstrate the lack of respect and care for the old established quality content and the potential they could have reached demonstrated by the people working with the freedom of unproven shows and games
I think the problem is as you said, Darth Kennedy is not really a Star Wars fan and doesn't understand it. The more heavily she is involved in the development of a show or movie, the less likely it is to be good.
Thor, I completely agree with your idea regarding the Old Republic. I honestly have been wanting this since the end of the prequels. I also agree that we don’t need Revan as a main character, just epic Jedi v Sith, something similar to Game of Thrones
This video format is surprisingly interesting keep it coming 😎. Personally I think a darth bane trilogy based on Drew Karpishyn’s books would be amazing if staying true to the material
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Asoka should have died to Vader in Rebels. Would have been an awesome sendoff. Have liked some of her appearances since then but it makes more sense to have her dead by the time of A New Hope and saving her with time travel was weak.
Like these videos! Answering multiple questions like that is very cool, and you do give you enough time for each one that it makes sense
I really enjoyed this style of video, you two play off each other well and I have to admit, this seems like the best solution for the “Mara Jade” problem, we, as a collective, are so divided, due to outlying factors, such as politics, preferences and experiences, and then it doesn’t help with Lucasfilm being so inconsistent with their media, and what story they’re trying to tell. So there’s not much hope that there’s going to be a people pleasing in fear, but I do think it would have a majority positive effect
Sure making SW (or any other franchise) public domain would be a mess... but its literally the job of Content-Creators to comment on that judge and organize this stuff. Like a next generation of literary science or theology^^ Its still basically where the developement is heading.
It would only be a mess because we haven't let the public domain grow for a century.
Hey Thor, thank you, along with Star Wars Theory and Robert Meyer Burnett, I think you are one of the most fair minded fans out there.
Love the Viceroy!!!👏🏽👍🏽
I hadn’t even thought about the possibility of Mara Jade being used to explain where Luke was in the sequels. Perhaps Luke has a student go bad who kills Mara Jade. So the next time he senses a student being tempted, he considers killing him.
Saying it's inconsistent is being very generous. I would say it's consistently bad, with very few exceptions like Andor, or the final TCW arc
The sun shines on a donkey's ass once a day.🐴
Put the Andor team in charge of everything, and we’ll be fine. Their version of the Sequel Trilogy would’ve been absolutely amazing
What is "Andor team"? Tony Gilroy and his writers?
@@FlymanMS yep
Because people like Tony Gilroy cares about the writing while Filoni and Favoru care more about putting out content audiences recognize
I certainly hope you guys do more of these I thoroughly enjoyed it thanks a lot!
Star Wars has always been inconsistent. "Holiday Special" and "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" came out before "Empire Strikes Back" and "Heir to the Empire." I watched the Ewoks movies and Droids cartoons as a kid, but couldn't re-watch them when I tried. I want them to keep pumping out content because SOME of it is going to be amazing. I'm probably better than most at ignoring the stuff I don't like, and re-watching the good stuff.
Interesting video. Plz do a video expanding what new characters you’d do in the KOTOR era, just intrigued. Also what directors in the current landscape of film would best suit a SW film. I have many.
The Old Republic times and stories, specifically before Bane's Rule of Two began, is a goldmine. If Disney wants new characters, that would be a great place to start. You have thousands of years to work with.
They should have made all the old books non cannon then filled their stories in using ToR as a rough guideline. (Even tho legends books tend to be my fav.)
I love the idea of more videos with the two of you!
Good style of video to maybe give answers to some questions which might be too short to get their own videos, so yeah, keep this style around, but if you have the time of course and see a question that warrants a longer answer do the single-topic ones too 😊
The answer is simple:
Ego and Vanity.
Especially with Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy.
Also incorrect. Those qualities has nothing to do with inconsistent quality of the shows. Seems like you are not even interested in the question and just want to repeat the mantra, as if it'd change something.
4:31 I thought they might make her and co go to the unknown regions and then there might start, either during or after the Filoni movie, a big alien invasion similar to the one in legends. And then the Ahsoka and co might have their own seperate fight, mostly detached from the sequels, in the following star wars releases, if that story will ever go that way. That could be one way of continuing Ahoska's (and the others) stories without out right killing them.
I mainly think that there might be a chance of this happening since I think Filoni said when people were upset about Ahoska likely being dead in Episode IX becaause of her voice being in the movie, that that moment was supposed the be just like a small easter-egg instead of meaning that she is definitively dead at that point. But who knows, guess we'll just have to wait and see how things develop.
I honestly thought it was the divide between getting people passionate about a project and those who don't care.
A lot of KK approved projects have the rubber stamp of 'approval' and end up messes.
Yet the ones that slip past her notice because they were 'beneath her' has that spark we gravitate towards.
Yes the prequels were kind of bad and had their flaws, but there was a charm you could clearly see that drew you to them.
Like a friend or someone at a camp fire trying to tell you a tale and while the story itself is bland, the level of effort and how that person says it keeps you drawn in.
Bad Batch had you come back like comfortable food that held no surprises until you ran into that one really good moment that surprised you in an enjoyable way.
Jedi Survivor has you running around and some of the fight scenes are kind of stupid... But there is that passion which has you ignore the flaws and marvel at the gem they try to tell you.
Obi-Woke, Mando Season 3, and (insert latest mess here) is...bland. That cheap bland taste of something that is insulting at how... Bland and worthless it tastes.
I will take a bad episode of Star Wars before KK took the throne over most of their new garbage.
Because at least when you had a bad episode you could accept it and move on... Instead of being told that a slice of bread with these and a bit of tomato sauce was the exact same thing as a fully baked pizza and that you were wrong for complaining about it.
Hey thor, do you think It actualy makes sense to read comic books or books based on star wars when any director can rectcon anything in a Disney plus series?
If KK is involved, then it is a$$
Also, more of these discussion vids please!
If they kill Ahsoka, I'm never coming back
Her fate should’ve been spent in either Clone Wars or Rebels, everything else is irrelevant.
I want characters to die. Andor is great because all of three characters have plot armor: mon mothma, cassian and saw. Hell we spent almost three hours with the aldahni crew and three died within five minutes of screen time. Ashoka should be let go before they burn her out. My guess is that theyd save it for the theatrical release.
1:54 Correct me if i’m wrong but wasn’t it Jon Favreau who asked Disney to hold off on doing merchandise for Grogu in order to keep his reveal a secret? Which Disney lost out on millions of dollars that first season. Plus you don’t need to need to keep Grogu on the show in order to continue selling merchandise.
Continue with more of these videos please
Hey Thor! If you were given the opportunity to rewrite the sequels, but were required to use the same plot points, how would accomplish it? For example, you would have to include things like a broken Luke, a new Empire-type threat, and have Palpatine return, all while using elements and characters introduced in the sequels. Personally, if I had to write about a broken Luke Skywalker, I would have him feel so guilty about Kylo's fall that he begins to have an unhealthy obsession over finding him and making things right. I would use that obsession to explain how the First Order managed to become a threat while Luke was still around. Anyways, I'd love to hear how you would handle it!
Yes. Please do more of these videos. Very enjoyable.
Sam Witwer needs to be in charge of Star Wars.
Hey Thor
I have been wondering if Canon is handling the portrayal/view of the Force better than Legends or is it the other way around?
canon is not canon.
legend is canon.
I think Luke we see in the ST wasn't luke, It was Clone "luuke" it would explain how maz got his saber.
Its because Lucasfilm is divided into teams. You got the film industry team. You got the animated team. You got the Favreau team. You got the rogue one team. You got dice team and you got respawn team. Each of these team level in quality which is why its so inconsistent. Also these teams let eachother do their own thing more or less with no information sharing so it kinda feels like each project is disjointed from one another.
I'm tired if the trilogy story telling vehicle. Since I'm a grumpy old Star Wars fan (that means I don't want to know everything) because I'm too lazy to read anything these days, but I'm interested in Darth Plagueis and Catalyst because of your video. Some of the toxic fandom I think includes people who hear that someone's a Star Wars fan, they think that person consumes everything Star Wars. I know I should just chill out, but it really is one of the major problems for me with being Star Wars fan. Maybe I'm just too casual with everything.😂
It's crazy that one of the directors from Andor is remaking Kenobi series and it looks so much better.
Imagine if that guy and his team had full control of the project from the beginning
I think it has so much to do with them wanting to spread out directors and writers instead of picking a singular creative team (jon & dave) to be in charge of the overall creative decisions like I think Marvel does. I think having a singular vision to what is being built too is better than just randomly choosing directors and writers that your friends with. I mean this happened in the sequels, instead of giving Abrams a full trilogy KK decided to give her buddy Rian a turn. That would eventually lead to the movie that was the Rise of Skywalker and the Last Jedi. (not saying Abrams would have made the sequels amazing or anything). Just a thought that came in my mind...
KK picks individual directors because that's what she knows - producing individual movies. Creative direction and control is not in her skill set.
JJ is almost entirely to blame for the sequels. The opening crawl of TFA had luke in exile. The plot of the first movie was trying to find hermit Luke. RJ made a movie that I think is a good movie, even if the ST sucked in aggregate. TFA was nostalgia trash but was a fun trash. ROS is barely watchable.
@@stevebreedlove9760 I get what your saying, but it would have been nicer to see what JJ's idea was (not saying it would have been good, just a single narrative instead of 2) and prevent the ROS from existing. Or they could have just done the Colin Trevorrow movie (which I think would be the best of the ST...)
thx for the recomendations!!
I can never accept the BS that Jedi didn't fall in love, or have families. The force is an expression of life lived to its fullest, and ripping children away from their parents, and forbidding marriage and strong emotional attachments runs completely counter to the entire idea of the force. That crap more than anything proved toe that George had utterly lost his way when Marcia left him, and the prequels were almost a revenge fantasy against her.
Dude. For real.
You know that the entire idea was that the Jedi were wrong for that having become a central thing, because they let the ***fear*** of someone falling to the Dark Side over those things cloud their judgment.
2:43 There was no Jedi vs. Sith in the Old Republic. "Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.' Well, that never happened. That's just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2,000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end, they killed each other off, and there wasn't anything left." - George Lucas
I've made videos discussing the Lucas version of the history of the Jedi and Sith. However, in the new canon, it's already established that such battles took place.
@@thorskywalker Interesting. Where was this?
I don't think or hope Ahsoka dies in that movie. That is or should be the movie that ends the first phase of the Mandowerse. So she will be around for a wile.
If they kill her just because her voice was in the end of TRoS, then they are really stupid. JJ didn't know that only force ghosts could speak though the force, he just took known characters.
I'm glad I was born just in time to enjoy Star Wars for a few years before Disney bought it. I remember the awe I felt reading the visual dictionary and learning about Darth Revan, the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi covenant. The movies are awesome but the EU is what cemented my love for the franchise. Not to mention Thrawn, Jace Malcom, Tarre Vizsla, Yuuzhan Vong wars, Abeloth and the Legacy comics.
NOW Star Wars is just a generic slop fest more concerned with politics and feminism than telling a good story that people actually WANT to watch.
I kind of think Ahsoka will play Mara Jade’s part in the Disney Star Wars. Whether or not her and Luke get romantically involved, I’m not sure.
I hope not on the romance. That would be weird
@@Ariescz I agree
Hello. I appreciate your work and I liked this format. Keep up the great work.
Hey Thor, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEAS make a video discussing your impressions of the PATTERSON CUT of the Kenobi series. IMHO he did an admirable job of cleaning up what was a historically disappointing offering by Disney/Lucasfilm. If you haven't seen it yet, (I find that hard to imagine) please look for it and take a couple of hours to witness what a skilled editor can do with not very much in the way of raw materials.
Great style of video keep it up. Also I just can't see Mara jade working with what Disney gave us.
You give Kevin waaay too much credit!
Enjoy you commentary always insightful.
I enjoyed this format of video and would be down for more in the future
I honestly think they need someone to right the ship and understand the franchise. Although DC hasn't fully been incorporated to James Gunn's vision, but coming off Guardians Volume 3, the Suicide Squad, and Peacemaker, you basically know that he understands how to do his job. Dave Filoni has shown that he understands the franchise, and how to build a universe. He should be leading Lucasfilm, or at least be the decision maker regarding cinematic projects.
Also, I think that Mara Jade could be one of the reasons why he might change his opinion on attachment, opening up Grogu's training, he falls in love, his actions change, mistakes are made, becomes jaded, sequels explained. That's probably the only thing that could explain such a different Luke that we see in the Sequels.
I remember the Jedi Search trilogy and the Zahn Duology being my favorites after the Zahn Trilogy.
Like they new video style. Hope you make another like this. Just in case, would you agree that if the precuels have been made with the Yuuzhan Vong war, could have keep the interest of fans, and would make more money in figures, vehicles and merchandising in general.
My idea for a Revan movie would actually not have him as a protagonist but an important focal point for the plot.
Instead the story would follow one of the jedi who joined him and the close friend of that jedi, another jedi, who didn't join Revan.
I know the popular urban legend states that KK interferes with the SW writers - but it's established (as said here in the video) that she's a good business manager - someone with years and years of managing Hollywood style-entertainment businesses. She's obviously a capable & intelligent person - I don't think Lucas would have tolerated her if she wasn't. So it's one or the other - bc a "good manager" in any business knows when to back off & let their employees do what they're being paid to do. So all of y'all swallowing this conspiracy theory that she's meddling all the time simply can't be true. I think it's more likely what else was said here - she does not understand what's she's managing - meaning she's hiring ppl of different quality & backgrounds & letting them write & run amok without actually meddling - so in reality she's not meddling enough, or even worse, she doesn't understand when to meddle & intercede when needed, like a good manager would. With all the "firing" of movie writers she's done, she failed to understand that meddling was necessary for the Sequels. Instead she just kept saying, "We're really excited for such and such." She's not excited - she has no idea if she should be excited, but she's selling the company line. That's what's really probably happening.
good call on Old Republic movie. totally agree.
To my mind, the quality of Disney Star Wars has been very consistent.
Speaking of live-action, everything so far has been absolutely terrible. The best of the bunch may be Solo, which I'd give 2/10 at most.
Other stuff like Andor, Force Awakens or Rogue One is downright abysmal.
Hey Thor, how much do you think we'd have to raise to buy the franchise? At this point a good group collection might work.
We have a ke in feige (Dave filoni) but he doesn't have as much power as he should to tell this interwoven story
He's an Executive Creative Director. It seems like he just can't handle the power either.
Different writers and directors, usually inept. No quality assurance. Miserable leadership. All compliments of Ms. Kathleen, "don't ask me... I'm just a girl" Kennedy.🤷🏽♀️
Heres a question ; Is it more likely we get Capt. Rex OR Kix in Ahsoka.
It's currently 50 years after the clone wars which in the timeline is when they find medic clone CT-6116; Kix
Press said Tem is in Ashoka. Prob playing rex.
Hey Thor,
If in the future if someone had a question specifically for your wife on a pop culture subject she's the "Expert" on how would she be addressed? Would it be "Hey Mrs. Thor.." or something else like "Hey Siv" since that's Thor's wife, if I remember my mythology correctly?
I hope you got a laugh out of this question.
‘Let Fate decide?’ My, Thor… Decide, Fate, already has.
Hey Thor
I'm keen to see your comics collection and also can you rank all the dark horse comics and the current marvel star wars comics. Which ones you love and which ones you think should go in the garbage. Also for new comers which ones would you recommend as let's be honest comics can be a little scary. Personally I love the dark horse stuff empire/rebellion is amazing and dark times is also cool. Current what I have read, Kanan and the original Vader are magic. Keep up the good work 🤟🤟
Thor I'd love to hear your thoughts on turning the Thrawn Ascendancy novels into a movie trilogy. It would have a popular character, Thrawn, but would be unique since it would involve factions and races that aren't the same old players and wouldn't involve jedi who some people think are overused. Thoughts?
@6:40 - that is sort of a problem with TFA - it finishes mid scene. It forces certain elements to occur. The other Star Wars movies actually finish at the end of a scene with an expectation set up but none that requires a very specific opening.
But again, TFA was sold on a Luke Teaser that turned out to be basically irrelevant for the film. It’s why the film is even worse in hindsight (even if some will claim “it’s the best of sequels”).
The reason that the quality is different for the different Star Wars project seems to be if Kathleen is in charge or not. For Andor I don't think she was involved at all, Gilroy had the script ready and didn't change anything. When it comes to Mandowerse Iger put Kathleen away to work with "Children of Blood and Bones " to give Jon Favrou peace ans quiet to creat his mandowers. Then Chapek took her back in time for BoBF. So BoBF and all other project's she's been involved in.
Was not expecting NHL Hall of Famer Pavel Datsyuk to comment lol!
Hey, Thor. I have been wondering. What if the prequels had been made in 1987, 1990 and 1993 as originally planned?
Personally, I think Johnny Depp would be cast as Anakin because at the time he was the right age and had that "Rebel Without a Cause" vibe. I also think that both sides of the clone wars would use clones because of the limited computer technology. Lastly, while I think Naboo, Coruscant, Tatooine, Geonosis and Mustafar would be *relatively* the same with a few tweaks, I think the rest of the planets we saw would be considerably different.
But what do you think?
Not THOR here … but … interesting idea about casting Johnny Depp as a tortured soul; Anakin on his troubled idealistic yet narcissistic moral decline and fall to Vader … but … Depp would have been 24 years old in 1987. How do you see that working for the first prequel which showed Anakin as a BOY first identified by Qui-Gon? And a 27 year old padawan Depp in 1990 is less of a stretch … I guess? , but still …
No doubt Depp would have been a much more interesting actor to watch show this inner and outer turmoil … as well as his corruption by a sly manipulative sophist.
Elaborate …
(and for bonus point fun !!! … tell me who would have played Qui-Gon in these earlier prequels? Any ideas? Qui-Gon is … that most important rebel Jedi who served such an important role in the overall story … he’s independent minded enough to identify the chosen one who would save the galaxy from the corruption within both the Jedi and the Republic? Or was he? Is that the narrative about him and the republic and the Jedi we wanna believe? Anyway … actor for Qui-Gon opposite Johnny Depp?
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@@B_Estes_Undegöetz Well they didn't have Hayden as Anakin in TPM. I also think that had they started the prequels back then George would have gone with his original grand plan where the OT would end up renumbered afterwards - each trilogy would be preceded by a prologue episode, with TPM being the prologue to a trilogy focused on the Clone Wars consisting of AotC, a midquel that did similar things to what TCW did in showing the Republic becoming the Empire in all but name, and RotS, and then a new prologue movie to the OT that focused on the rise of the Alliance to Restore the Republic from a small group of politicians into the actual fighting force that it was in ANH, possibly still led by Padmé, who was raising Luke and Leia with the help of figures like Bail and Mon Mothma until Vader was commanded to seek out the leader of the rebellion by Sidious and kill her, not knowing it was Padmé until it was too late, and never knowing that he had fathered twins with her as she had disappeared along with Obi-Wan and Yoda after he was scarred on Mustafar.
The problem is that Kathleen Kennedy has turned Star Wars into this sandbox playground for any director she's friends with. Instead of finding a few styles that really work well and letting them continue to develop and provide quality content...
She continously brings in new directors like an industrial assembly line.
That's why SW content is wildly inconsistent.
Mara Jade was a character the George disliked deepely, and I'm glad she never made it to the canon now that Disney owns it. It's like the ultimate spit-in-the-face, girl boss or cliché thing "she was bad but fell in love" COME ON!....I see Luke more like having to choose between the Jedi and the Republic in some situation and that's when it went southways for him
If the quality wasn’t so consistently bad I don’t think people would be complaining as hard