Thank you Mathieu, that means a lot, especially coming from you, as your videos were among the videos that inspired me to give the old cameras my Dad left me a new lease on life, and to give making videos for youtube another go.
Hey man, just to mention with the rule of thumb of plus 1 stop of dev or exposure per decade, that the reason for the rule is to counter the base fog over time. typically its done in exposure, however the rule should only be applied to b&w and colour films, whereas when using slide film you should almost never use that rule because typically the highlights in slide film blow out extremely quickly. Changing dev times also has an effect on the colours. For a little more on "The Rule" id suggest reading the emulsive article on it and sorry if I come across too patronizing. It was a great video and I found the radiator experiment really interesting
Not patronising at all? I appreciate the feedback, I’m here to grow like all of us. I always used to push my E6 1/2 to a stop just to clean them up and match the FP100C, (wow that makes me feel old.) Clip tests were like £5 back then too so I’d often C/T my rolls. There’s a lot of different info about pushing expired E6 films. So it’s not so much of a stretch, to go to +2 the shadows and mids were good in the Fuji but the highlights were gone, pushing the E100’over cooked it, I could go back and get it right, but then I’d never get the video made.
Great video. I've just been given some Tri-X and FP4 that expired in the 1970s. I'm allowing 4 stops when I shoot it. No idea what it's going to turn out like. But it will be fun, and no it wont be on anything important
Pushing film past 3 stops is a law of diminishing returns, but black & white film should be ok. It’s really a fogging of the film with age that you see, who knows you might be pleasantly surprised.
Great video Oli - I love low light level photography where of course, with no circuit noise, film is king. Maybe there is a still life you could do and use older film to get a really interesting arty look?!
To be honnest, awesome results with some of the films. As you said, the FP4 came out really nice, I love the images you took with it. I am more concern about the provia though. With some colour retoruching I really like the results, obviously it can't be compared to the original colours we can expect from Provia, but in an artistic way, I love it. Kepp bringing nice content. Thank you the tips.
I shoot only expired film, storage unkown, so results unknown. If I shoot models, I warn them they might have to come back. Most of them love to see the wanky results.....
I have about 100 feet of Ilford FP-4 (35 mm) that's still in the bulk loader and has been frozen for the past 40 years at least. I still have my enlarger and some chemicals ... but I don't have the time these days, ... since I went digital about 10 years ago. In my opinion, I believe that FILM is faster ... I can calculate exposures much faster than I can with my digi Canon that has all the bells and whistles, granted ... but these have to be set ... and by that time, you're likely to miss any good grab shot. The digitals have their merits but (most definitely) so does film. I have a roll or two of CPS 120 and Ektachrome (E6?) for my old Mamiya Twin Lens reflex. That, too has been kept frozen probably since the 70's when I was shooting weddings. I've often thought they were too quick to throw out film ... AND, like those who now embrace vinyl records, ... I think it's only a matter of time for the resurgence in film.
I would venture to say that what ever your most familiar is best, the problem with out of date film is that, the goal posts have moved. id shoot that BW though, oh and send the enlargers to me, id love to make some videos on printing, :)
A very useful video. I had some Kodak Ektar 100 film in a cardboard box, with the boxes wrapped in tin foil since, expired 2015 (in a wardrobe); maybe +2/3 stop exposure compensation or +1 stop. I guess at the end of the day it is just trial and error. Also how do you do half stop on a film camera; my exposure compensation dial just clicks on one third stop.
I work stops out in my head usually as part of my exposure process. Some cameras give you the option of half stops like the Hasselblad. I the number of stops you give old film is just a rule of thumb anyhow.
temperature of instant film is a critical factor to color rendition, but pressing on it (inside a jacket etc) can cause marks finger prints etc. so sometimes the old boys would shake it. I still look up to may of these brilliant photographers, so i still do it. After all a professional photographer is someone who is paid because they produce images that sell or can sell things. People who obsess over technical details, tend to produce boring images that don't.
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Awesome channel! keep bringing use awesome videos like this one !
Thank you Mathieu, that means a lot, especially coming from you, as your videos were among the videos that inspired me to give the old cameras my Dad left me a new lease on life, and to give making videos for youtube another go.
Damn jolly ol' England has some fantastic photoshoot locations.
Not to mention models.
Do it all the time, love it because you never know what will happen.
I’m not a photographer, but I love this channel. Please keep making these great videos!
I really like the way you put it all together. Nice work oli keep up good videos
Hey man, just to mention with the rule of thumb of plus 1 stop of dev or exposure per decade, that the reason for the rule is to counter the base fog over time. typically its done in exposure, however the rule should only be applied to b&w and colour films, whereas when using slide film you should almost never use that rule because typically the highlights in slide film blow out extremely quickly. Changing dev times also has an effect on the colours. For a little more on "The Rule" id suggest reading the emulsive article on it and sorry if I come across too patronizing. It was a great video and I found the radiator experiment really interesting
Not patronising at all? I appreciate the feedback, I’m here to grow like all of us.
I always used to push my E6 1/2 to a stop just to clean them up and match the FP100C, (wow that makes me feel old.) Clip tests were like £5 back then too so I’d often C/T my rolls.
There’s a lot of different info about pushing expired E6 films.
So it’s not so much of a stretch, to go to +2 the shadows and mids were good in the Fuji but the highlights were gone, pushing the E100’over cooked it, I could go back and get it right, but then I’d never get the video made.
For the asking price of expired film these days, I think there's no point unless you specifically want the look of expired film.
The price has soared, even to the point it’s not worth using film at all.
Great video. I've just been given some Tri-X and FP4 that expired in the 1970s. I'm allowing 4 stops when I shoot it. No idea what it's going to turn out like. But it will be fun, and no it wont be on anything important
Pushing film past 3 stops is a law of diminishing returns, but black & white film should be ok. It’s really a fogging of the film with age that you see, who knows you might be pleasantly surprised.
Great video Oli - I love low light level photography where of course, with no circuit noise, film is king. Maybe there is a still life you could do and use older film to get a really interesting arty look?!
Still have about 10 rolls of that E6, would need to buy some E6 developer
Film shoot lottery, but worth the risk!
To be honnest, awesome results with some of the films. As you said, the FP4 came out really nice, I love the images you took with it. I am more concern about the provia though. With some colour retoruching I really like the results, obviously it can't be compared to the original colours we can expect from Provia, but in an artistic way, I love it. Kepp bringing nice content. Thank you the tips.
Thank you, still have about ten rolls of it, maybe a green filter will help.
Fascinating. I've got a load of Portra 400 NC and Ilford XP2 in my freezer. Time to defrost methinks.
I shoot only expired film, storage unkown, so results unknown.
If I shoot models, I warn them they might have to come back. Most of them love to see the wanky results.....
Have you ever had roll, just not come out?
I have, but it almost was like the seller used it a test roll before hand as it was blank blank but used - if that makes sense
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I use a lot of expired film and I've never had a roll that came out completely without a recognizable image.
I have about 100 feet of Ilford FP-4 (35 mm) that's still in the bulk loader and has been frozen for the past 40 years at least. I still have my enlarger and some chemicals ... but I don't have the time these days, ... since I went digital about 10 years ago. In my opinion, I believe that FILM is faster ... I can calculate exposures much faster than I can with my digi Canon that has all the bells and whistles, granted ... but these have to be set ... and by that time, you're likely to miss any good grab shot. The digitals have their merits but (most definitely) so does film. I have a roll or two of CPS 120 and Ektachrome (E6?) for my old Mamiya Twin Lens reflex. That, too has been kept frozen probably since the 70's when I was shooting weddings. I've often thought they were too quick to throw out film ... AND, like those who now embrace vinyl records, ... I think it's only a matter of time for the resurgence in film.
I would venture to say that what ever your most familiar is best, the problem with out of date film is that, the goal posts have moved. id shoot that BW though, oh and send the enlargers to me, id love to make some videos on printing, :)
I'll send a PM over the next few days.
A very useful video. I had some Kodak Ektar 100 film in a cardboard box, with the boxes wrapped in tin foil since, expired 2015 (in a wardrobe); maybe +2/3 stop exposure compensation or +1 stop. I guess at the end of the day it is just trial and error. Also how do you do half stop on a film camera; my exposure compensation dial just clicks on one third stop.
I work stops out in my head usually as part of my exposure process. Some cameras give you the option of half stops like the Hasselblad. I the number of stops you give old film is just a rule of thumb anyhow.
What was the 35mm camera you used?
Pentax Spotmatic with 50mm super Takuma lens
olitography thanks :-)
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temperature of instant film is a critical factor to color rendition, but pressing on it (inside a jacket etc) can cause marks finger prints etc. so sometimes the old boys would shake it. I still look up to may of these brilliant photographers, so i still do it. After all a professional photographer is someone who is paid because they produce images that sell or can sell things. People who obsess over technical details, tend to produce boring images that don't.