I always wanted to try out Skillshare, so I used the link after watching the video love your content trying to hold back my urge to buy zf, I need to photograph more before I invest into equipment again
Thank you for the excellent video. I also own the TTArtisan and Neewer adapter and can confirm your results. However, I would like to add a very important point: with the Neewer adapter, the focal length for in-body stabilization is set to 50mm and cannot be overwritten in the camera. This makes the use of lenses with a focal length other than 50mm problematic; it is best to switch off the IBIS in those cases.
Thanks for the input - I couldn’t figure it out, just thought the focal length was set inconsistently. Good to know it’s stuck on 50mm forever, hope it’s fixed in a firmware update by Neewer
There is a video from a user of the Zf and manual lenses here in Germany. Manu Gee: „Update: Neewer ETZ Adapter on Nikon ZF with IBIS“. He found out after consulting with Neewer that you can overwrite the line with the focal length specification in the txt file of the Neewer software by hand. To do this, you have to connect the Aparter to the Mac/PC with the enclosed cable, as with a firmware update. Now you can see 2 files: the file with the firmware and a test file. The text file contains the data for IBIS and the other lens data: maximum and minimum aperture for the EXIF data.
@@Ralf-en5tp Sorry for my ignorance, but how does focal length affect IBIS? Could you also manually set it with the NonCPU setting, or would it not work when using a chipped adapter?
@I2ecreate the adapter seems to override the non CPU lens focal length, at least in the EXIF data. Presumably lenses longer than 50mm won’t have the right IBIS compensation across 3 different axis
Wow thanks so much - I felt pretty dumb spending all this time and money testing adapters so glad the video is useful for others. We really need an FTZiii!
Not sure if someone pointed it out but in with the neewer adapter, you can manually change the focal length and aperture settings when you change the setting on the txt file in the lens. I’ve tested it with my different focal length lenses and you can clearly tell a huge difference with ibis once the proper focal length is set. Hope this helps!
Hi Jack, this is fantastic! Frankly, I had no idea about the possibilities with the adapters. I just assumed quite a bit of the FTZ and figured that any anomalies were due to the focal length or defects of the lens or the focus system itself. I also am impressed with your Japanese. I got a linguistics degree and after graduate school, I got a stipend to teach in Osaka, which never happened (long story), but it's my life long dream to travel to Japan and that dream is not too far away. I hope your trip is/was amazing!! Great video as always. Thanks so much.
Ohhh we are in Osaka now - hope you make it here one day. Hope all this adapter testing is useful, I didn’t realise quite how complicated it would be haha
One quick note. FTZ II does give focus confirmation, but the manual lens has to be chipped. Using Nikon AF D lenses as manual focus (since they don’t have motor built in) you get the green square. I haven’t tried other brands yet, but those do work. The thing is, the lens should somehow communicate with the camera the distance it’s focused on.
Ohh AFD lenses! Haven’t tried many of those, which one is your favourite? I have slowly but surely been collecting AIS glass, there are too many to count. Thanks for the tip!
@rgarciamainou I am testing out the 28mm f2 AIS - a very interesting lens! Haven’t added the AF-D to the comparison but picked up a 28mm f1.8 G to test out
@@rgarciamainouI’m using the ttartisan 6bit m to z adapter, with a dummy m to f and I get focus confirmation with my ais lenses. Works with focus trapping too.
Thanks for another informative video. Leaves me wondering why Nikon has not fixed this issue initially with their Z mount cameras as at launch they seemed to really lean in on their older lens catalog to try and sell people on the Z mount. I tend to bring out my D5 when I want to shoot my vintage glass collection. Not as much fun as my smaller Z mount bodies but it does work with the MF lenses in a more natural way. Keep up the great work and I am looking forward to the next video.
I am hunting down a F mount DSLR right now in Japan - don’t have any old ones in my collection so trying to get a mint used copy from the archives. Video about it coming soon!
@@BokehTherapy I had a Nikon Df for a bit. Has the D4 sensor which was really nice. Auto focus was slow but was a nice camera to mount MF lenses to. Good luck finding something.. always fun looking exploring the used cameras with a mission.
Thank you for doing this. I’ve been agonising over the adapter problem and it’s been keeping me from buying vintage lenses. So glad I already have the e-z from neewer so I’m half way there already.
Aah, Map Camera in Shinjuku, I was there only last week. I came away with a Zeiss Otus 1.4/55mm, in Nikon F-mount, no less. Love the experience shopping in that store.
@BokehTherapy thank you! I will be getting a brand new Nikon D850 as a second / main camera to my blue Zf. I have always wanted this D850, but got "drawn / seduced" by the aesthetics of the Zf. Now, that I have the Zf and those Voigtlander SLii-S lenses, I can finally fulfil my dream of getting the D850, and Zeiss Otus lenses to go with it. Presently, I am 1 Otus lens in, only 3 left to go. I return to Japan next year, and will most definitely visit Fujiya Camera.
I tested the Neewer combo with a M42 Adapter. Works pretty well. The only downside could be the default focal length the Neewer Adapter transmits to the camera. In the EXIF data my M42 lenses are all marked as 50mm. The EXIF itself does not bother me, but i think the IBIS could be disturbed. I am not sure if this is really a problem, but usually you set up the camera for manual lenses with the focal lenght and max aparture. And as far as i understand it, this setting influences the IBIS. It still works though, bur i have the feeling it would work better with the right focal length information.
Haha my first time in Japan was this march and I was surprised how often I got mistaken as Japanese. I only knew arigatou gozaimasu, and it was enough to get me around 😂 I visited most of the camera shops you did too, picked up a Canon L3 at box camera , along with a few LTM lenses I now adopt on my ZF! Love your videos ❤
Canon L3! I am trawling for a mint Nikon DF, will be chronicling that rather treacherous journey on the channel shortly haha. Thanks so much for watching and commenting
Hi Jack, I have all the same adapters you use and found all the same features and issues😅. But thanks for mentioning the dark corners with the TT Artisan M-Z corner. I just made a first test walk with the Leica R 35mm f/2 and found the heavy vignette and also that the focus is not aligned properly. Infiniti is around 3-5m on the lens scale. Think these are all the same issues to the same reason of slightly off flange distance.
Hello! Yes adapting lenses is an imperfect solution, hope the first party adapters become more of a thing. They can charge a premium if they want, beats having to test all of these adapters ourselves
I would like to add that Fringer EF-NZ II is the best for Canon EF lenses. Very active firmware update and also compatible with most of Canon Lenses, some Sigma and Tamron in AF-S and AF-C. Recommended!🎉❤
I second the Fringer EF-NZ II. I can confirm it gives you both green box when focusing and eye AF confirmation with manual lenses. All you need to do is adapt manual glass to EF then onto the fringer works very very well.
@@BokehTherapy Fringer is pretty much the best consistently across platforms if you're not familiar....I have three of them...all stellar, plan on buying two or three more.
Hi Jack, thanks for the great video! This whole manual focus thing with the Zf can be quite confusing! I am looking to get a Thypoch Simera lens for my Zf but I want the manual focus confirmation (green box) to work. Since the Simera doesn’t have any electronic contacts it’s not going to be the case. Would the Neewer ETZ Pro adapter with a Sony E mount Simera do the trick? Since the Neewer adapter has contacts?
Yes that would do the trick! The Neewer is so thin that the E mount simera’s focus distance scales should still line up properly. Sad that we can’t just get the z mount version but it’s a solid workaround. There are more E mount than Z mount shooters so a bit easier to sell the lens if you want to
@ okay wonderful! So in using the Neewer ETZ any manual E mount lens will work with ALL manual focus tools? Even TT artisan and other third party options? As far as I know the only lenses that work on the native Z mount with all manual focus tools is Voigtlander? It is quite bad that we have to use an adapter, because there are so many great lens options.
I haven’t tested all the manual lenses out there but it seems to work with every vintage lens I have tested. If the manual lens is chipped itself (e.g. the Voigtlander E mount lenses) I am not sure all the information is passed through? But then just get the Z mount Voigtlander chipped lenses
@ okay, sorry for bombing you with questions, this situation is very vague on the internet with a lot of mixed information going round. Yes, I also thought of going with Voigtlander, but they do not have a 28mm, hence the Simera. I suppose if the old vintage Nikon glass without any connections work with the adapter, any lens would…
Not a problem at all. I had all of the same questions you have! I guess the camera is using the same mechanism for focus peaking right? No reason why it can’t be a firmware update. Simera in E mount adapted via the E to Z adapter is the way I am thinking too. But I am also an M shooter… decisions decisions
if youre looking for vintage lens ang film camera 2ndbase in akihabara is the best option also fujiya camera at nakano there is also that open recently in yokohama station only forgot the store name but it was also a vintage camera shop
Out of curiosity: I may be wrong but the Zf has focus peaking and it can also confirm focus as the “old” DSLRs -when you are looking on the viewfinder and a green dot shows up-. Yet, I’d stick to the FTZ ii, as it is part of the same ecosystem.
Yes it has those features, but you need to be using a chipped lens or a chipped adapter. FTZii only allows this for AF-D chipped manual lenses apparently but it’s all a compatibility mess unfortunately
Awesome work on your video as always my friend! 😊 Unfortunately you only confirmed the adapter mess we currently have, if we want to adapt certain lenses and simulationsly want specific features 😅 Let’s see if nikon will release anything for the Zf / retro line up next year. I personally still hoping for an AF retro design lens with aperture ring 😇 Do you know the Voigtländer M to Z adapter? I think it is the best regarding correct zone focusing, because of the possibility of close focusing, but i don’t think it has any electronic contacts.
@IntrovertAmateur only way is to back to F mount and get a DF! Haha I haven’t tested the Voigtlander adapter, heard it’s great quality but unchipped. I guess if they chipped their adapters it would stop us buying their native Z mount lenses? Let’s see how Nikon follows up the ZF, surely they are a fan of money and there’s lots to be made in this segment
@Cleverconveyence I guess the Z6III launch cost a lot of capital, and perhaps the ZF success caught them off guard. I am impatiently waiting for a rangefinder ZS myself haha
I just got the Voigt M to Z and it is very nice build quality - not chipped though :(. The close focus feature on it is nice - makes my m-lenses sort of like a macro. I also have the TTartisan 6bit adapter and it's nice having the focus confirmation and it seems to read all leica 6 bit coded lenses and has gotten all of them correctly in EXIF. My only gripe on the TTartisan is it won't full mount a couple of my Voigt lenses but does full mount the my leica and zeiss. The voigt adapter fully mounts all of them with the locking click when mounted. I've reached out to TTartisan and might be looking at swapping for another copy.
Ah sorry got lost in the edit. TTartisan and Neewer are the best, except the TTartisan vignettes with F mount lenses in my experience. Neewer doesn’t have the best build quality but functionality wise all it’s missing is accurate focal length EXIF data.
@@BokehTherapy does the ttartisan 6bit mtoz vignette with leica m lenses ? im very interested with the zf because the af confirmation is so much better than sl2s imo.
@@dankmemenoobmaster TTArtisan doesn't vignette with M lenses on the Zf in my experience but it messes with zone focus alignment on some wider angle lenses? Still worth it in my opinion
Have you tried the Neewer adapter with a M mount adapter ? I use the ttartisan 6bit with a M to LTM adapter , but with my wider (35mm) lens, I unfortunately get some vingetting wide open.
Yes I have, M to E mount is pretty thin adapter so I didn’t see much vignetting. Stacking adapters is always tricky, I worry about the mounts getting stuck
@@BokehTherapy So I did a bit of digging and found a thread where someone using a ttartisan e to m adapter on Sony cameras actually took a dremel to it to create ‘corners’ inside. That modification is a bit much for me. I did try disassembling the ttartisan m to z adapter I had and took out one of the ‘satin’ finish parts on the inner tube out. It’s only held in place by three tiny screws so very easy to do and reverse. It doesn’t seem structural, but only there to reduce light bouncing around. One big positives is that the hard vignetting is completely gone from my LTM and F mount lenses!! Now it does expose some inner electronics, but it’s not like it’s weatherproof anyways. But I’m left wondering if the tube was even needed to prevent light bouncing around? Perhaps a good idea for you to test out this small modification for another video? :)
nice manual adapters comparison for nikon Z, I wanted to ask if you get reliable or precise infinity focus in your TTartisan M to Z mount adapter using leica lenses and third party lenses, also in 0.7 or close focus and also in zone focus or range focus style. many affordable adapters can`t have precise focus written on the lens scale to set the focus. thank you
It depends entirely on the lens unfortunately - I can zone focus fine with the Leica 35mm f1.4 FLE V1, 50mm f1.4 ASPH, 50mm f1.2 voigtlander. Wider lenses have more trouble - the thypoch 28mm simera doesn’t line up for zone focus. That’s one of the problems with adapting unfortunately
I've used adapted glasses for years, and with my ZF, I don't. To me, the added lenght and weight aren't compatible with the ZF. So I stick to 4 lenses : 28mm SE, 35mm Pergear, 40mm SE, or TTArtisan 75mm.
Thank you for all of this effort and research into this! At the end of the day, which one of these sets of adaptors do you think you will end up using? It is great to see you still looking into AI-s. There are so many great ones, but as you touch on here, there is a lot to consider if you are going to purchase one. I can say first hand, taking the lenses apart is harder than I anticipated. They are sealed up quite tightly, ha ha.
Ohh you’ve taken them apart? I am not game for that, I have gone to Richard Haw’s website and got scared off by the lens operations haha! I will use the Neewer + Shoten adapter combo for F mount, and TTartisan for M mount lenses. Best of both worlds!
@BokehTherapy I have done some simple disassembly, but they have stuff to lock the threads which makes it pretty difficult to take them apart, even if you have the proper wrenches and things. I would rather pay more to ensure there is no fungus, but looking at online photos is not always the best, ha ha.
Shoten is great but it is not chipped! This video is all focused on the chipped adapters, but I use a Shoten F to E mount to connect the Neewer E to Z for the vintage look.
I think there's just not enough money to be made from adapters, more from newer Z lenses? Nikon is competing for market share so there's hope if we make enough demands as the community
@@nickthaskater And that isn't significant to any business....the very few people that want what they want without any understanding of what the people at Nikon want, which is to survive and prosper in a very competitive market where they're not the king and mistakes can cost them dearly....who cares about the ten people that "oh I'd buy the camera if you had an adaptor" which is a lie anyway....do you have a Fuji XT5? Because Fuji has the adaptors....do you have any of the other cameras that have the adaptors that let you use third party lenses? Is your work any good or are you just a guy with so much free time that you make random comments on RUclips without even realizing that everyone at Nikon can think of what you think of...and much more, and processes that input in a prioritized consideration of what grows our business? Nothing wrong with letting you choose a different camera, just as you're free to start your own camera manufacturing company and spend the millions on capital investments, lawyers for the contracts, rental agreements, employee payroll, employee benefits, business insurance, shipping fees, production plants, company vehicles, engineering staff, consultants, advertising, etc......maybe do all that and see if you care about one guy that wants you to make a camera his way?
Might be a comprehension problem, and not a video production problem. Pretty sure it's obvious which is the real issue, as there's no likes on your comment, and I didn't have any issue, and typically it's a less educated and simple mind that can't process that reality happens on many simultaneous layers....so it was actually a creatively intelligent effort to intermingle sponsorship agenda into the walk around Japan searching for lenses in a country that gasp....speaks Japanese and anyone that would visit as a non-Japanese person would easily benefit from some basic linguistic assistance.
I am not a scientist like yourself so please forgive me if maybe I display some ignorance here. Regarding fungus, here is my simplified understanding of how it works and how you can stop it from happening or from reappearing after being removed. Fungus spores are everywhere, they cannot be avoided, they are in every breath we take. Fungus is like a plant, it needs three things to survive, water, food but unlike a normal plant, darkness instead of light. So if you deprive it of any one of these three things it simply cannot grow. Food, I'm not so sure where from but the microscopic dust inside a lens or even it has been suggested lens coatings. Water, from humidity, above 45 to 50% and darkness from keeping it in a case or a camera bag. I live in SE Asia and I do use a humidity cabinet to house all my cameras. If you live, say in Arizona, you would never have to worry due to the low humidity. So, according to this theory, despite where I live, if I just left my lenses out in a light filled area or used them on a regular basis, I should not have to worry. But, despite what I have said above, I'm still not willing to test this out in the real world.😮 Fungus does not randomly occur as if by magic and it is not inevitable.
Arizona here...and yes lenses get fungus in Arizona...don't confuse outside weather with inside conditions....a lens can grow fungus in another state, be shipped to your house, and that fungus can spread easily to every lens in your house or every lens in a camera shop, hence camera shops refusing to do ANY work on ANY lens that has fungus....the spores can get into anything they are so tiny and mobile, and then they grow and can ruin the lens or at least the resale value as no one wants a lens with fungus. With that said....yes, fungus can be treated in most cases, but life normally has many other higher priorities than constantly checking the condition of lenses so it's often not seen until too late. Avoid anything that looks like it has fungus, unless you're expert at dealign with it offsite away from your other lenses.
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love your content
trying to hold back my urge to buy zf, I need to photograph more before I invest into equipment again
Hello thanks so much! 1 month is enough to see how you like the platform. Zf is great, but any camera will do if it gets you out there shooting
Thank you for the excellent video. I also own the TTArtisan and Neewer adapter and can confirm your results. However, I would like to add a very important point: with the Neewer adapter, the focal length for in-body stabilization is set to 50mm and cannot be overwritten in the camera. This makes the use of lenses with a focal length other than 50mm problematic; it is best to switch off the IBIS in those cases.
Thanks for the input - I couldn’t figure it out, just thought the focal length was set inconsistently. Good to know it’s stuck on 50mm forever, hope it’s fixed in a firmware update by Neewer
There is a video from a user of the Zf and manual lenses here in Germany. Manu Gee: „Update: Neewer ETZ Adapter on Nikon ZF with IBIS“. He found out after consulting with Neewer that you can overwrite the line with the focal length specification in the txt file of the Neewer software by hand. To do this, you have to connect the Aparter to the Mac/PC with the enclosed cable, as with a firmware update. Now you can see 2 files: the file with the firmware and a test file. The text file contains the data for IBIS and the other lens data: maximum and minimum aperture for the EXIF data.
@@Ralf-en5tp thanks for the tip - sounds like a decent workaround if you mainly use one lens. Will rewatch the Manu Gee video!
@@Ralf-en5tp Sorry for my ignorance, but how does focal length affect IBIS?
Could you also manually set it with the NonCPU setting, or would it not work when using a chipped adapter?
@I2ecreate the adapter seems to override the non CPU lens focal length, at least in the EXIF data. Presumably lenses longer than 50mm won’t have the right IBIS compensation across 3 different axis
Excellent and thorough comparison of these adapters, I haven't seen anything that even comes close. 👏🏻
Wow thanks so much - I felt pretty dumb spending all this time and money testing adapters so glad the video is useful for others. We really need an FTZiii!
Not sure if someone pointed it out but in with the neewer adapter, you can manually change the focal length and aperture settings when you change the setting on the txt file in the lens. I’ve tested it with my different focal length lenses and you can clearly tell a huge difference with ibis once the proper focal length is set. Hope this helps!
Thanks Jacob!!
Hi Jack, this is fantastic! Frankly, I had no idea about the possibilities with the adapters. I just assumed quite a bit of the FTZ and figured that any anomalies were due to the focal length or defects of the lens or the focus system itself. I also am impressed with your Japanese. I got a linguistics degree and after graduate school, I got a stipend to teach in Osaka, which never happened (long story), but it's my life long dream to travel to Japan and that dream is not too far away. I hope your trip is/was amazing!! Great video as always. Thanks so much.
Ohhh we are in Osaka now - hope you make it here one day. Hope all this adapter testing is useful, I didn’t realise quite how complicated it would be haha
@@BokehTherapy Yes, I cannot wait to go...enjoy your time! You did an amazing job with the adapter video 😀
One quick note. FTZ II does give focus confirmation, but the manual lens has to be chipped. Using Nikon AF D lenses as manual focus (since they don’t have motor built in) you get the green square. I haven’t tried other brands yet, but those do work.
The thing is, the lens should somehow communicate with the camera the distance it’s focused on.
Ohh AFD lenses! Haven’t tried many of those, which one is your favourite? I have slowly but surely been collecting AIS glass, there are too many to count. Thanks for the tip!
@@BokehTherapyThe 28 AFD is by far my favorite. But the 24 is good too, if you don’t mind the distortion.
@@BokehTherapyMy AIS lenses don’t show the green square though.
@rgarciamainou I am testing out the 28mm f2 AIS - a very interesting lens! Haven’t added the AF-D to the comparison but picked up a 28mm f1.8 G to test out
@@rgarciamainouI’m using the ttartisan 6bit m to z adapter, with a dummy m to f and I get focus confirmation with my ais lenses. Works with focus trapping too.
Thanks for another informative video. Leaves me wondering why Nikon has not fixed this issue initially with their Z mount cameras as at launch they seemed to really lean in on their older lens catalog to try and sell people on the Z mount.
I tend to bring out my D5 when I want to shoot my vintage glass collection. Not as much fun as my smaller Z mount bodies but it does work with the MF lenses in a more natural way.
Keep up the great work and I am looking forward to the next video.
I am hunting down a F mount DSLR right now in Japan - don’t have any old ones in my collection so trying to get a mint used copy from the archives. Video about it coming soon!
@@BokehTherapy I had a Nikon Df for a bit. Has the D4 sensor which was really nice. Auto focus was slow but was a nice camera to mount MF lenses to. Good luck finding something.. always fun looking exploring the used cameras with a mission.
Good to know - the used market here in Tokyo is insane haha
Thank you for doing this. I’ve been agonising over the adapter problem and it’s been keeping me from buying vintage lenses. So glad I already have the e-z from neewer so I’m half way there already.
Adapters are all too expensive and there’s almost no information out there. Glad this video was useful!
Aah, Map Camera in Shinjuku, I was there only last week. I came away with a Zeiss Otus 1.4/55mm, in Nikon F-mount, no less.
Love the experience shopping in that store.
Yes Map camera is amazing! Fujiya camera in Nakano broadway is also fantastic. Congrats on the Zeiss Otus!
@BokehTherapy thank you!
I will be getting a brand new Nikon D850 as a second / main camera to my blue Zf.
I have always wanted this D850, but got "drawn / seduced" by the aesthetics of the Zf. Now, that I have the Zf and those Voigtlander SLii-S lenses, I can finally fulfil my dream of getting the D850, and Zeiss Otus lenses to go with it. Presently, I am 1 Otus lens in, only 3 left to go.
I return to Japan next year, and will most definitely visit Fujiya Camera.
The D850 is wonderful to hold, I took a little too long trying one out haha…
I tested the Neewer combo with a M42 Adapter. Works pretty well. The only downside could be the default focal length the Neewer Adapter transmits to the camera. In the EXIF data my M42 lenses are all marked as 50mm. The EXIF itself does not bother me, but i think the IBIS could be disturbed. I am not sure if this is really a problem, but usually you set up the camera for manual lenses with the focal lenght and max aparture. And as far as i understand it, this setting influences the IBIS. It still works though, bur i have the feeling it would work better with the right focal length information.
Yes I have that problem too - can’t change it out of 50mm on the Neewer. Glad to hear your M42 lenses are finding a new home, happy shooting!
Haha my first time in Japan was this march and I was surprised how often I got mistaken as Japanese.
I only knew arigatou gozaimasu, and it was enough to get me around 😂
I visited most of the camera shops you did too, picked up a Canon L3 at box camera , along with a few LTM lenses I now adopt on my ZF!
Love your videos ❤
Canon L3! I am trawling for a mint Nikon DF, will be chronicling that rather treacherous journey on the channel shortly haha. Thanks so much for watching and commenting
Hi Jack,
I have all the same adapters you use and found all the same features and issues😅.
But thanks for mentioning the dark corners with the TT Artisan M-Z corner. I just made a first test walk with the Leica R 35mm f/2 and found the heavy vignette and also that the focus is not aligned properly. Infiniti is around 3-5m on the lens scale. Think these are all the same issues to the same reason of slightly off flange distance.
Hello! Yes adapting lenses is an imperfect solution, hope the first party adapters become more of a thing. They can charge a premium if they want, beats having to test all of these adapters ourselves
I would like to add that Fringer EF-NZ II is the best for Canon EF lenses. Very active firmware update and also compatible with most of Canon Lenses, some Sigma and Tamron in AF-S and AF-C. Recommended!🎉❤
Oh fringer! Too many adapters to keep track of haha. Thanks for the tip!
I second the Fringer EF-NZ II. I can confirm it gives you both green box when focusing and eye AF confirmation with manual lenses. All you need to do is adapt manual glass to EF then onto the fringer works very very well.
Is it better than the Megadap EFTZ21? It's got a Fn Button and customizable ring that the Fringer hasn't. The price is the same.
@@BokehTherapy Fringer is pretty much the best consistently across platforms if you're not familiar....I have three of them...all stellar, plan on buying two or three more.
Hi Jack, thanks for the great video! This whole manual focus thing with the Zf can be quite confusing! I am looking to get a Thypoch Simera lens for my Zf but I want the manual focus confirmation (green box) to work. Since the Simera doesn’t have any electronic contacts it’s not going to be the case. Would the Neewer ETZ Pro adapter with a Sony E mount Simera do the trick? Since the Neewer adapter has contacts?
Yes that would do the trick! The Neewer is so thin that the E mount simera’s focus distance scales should still line up properly. Sad that we can’t just get the z mount version but it’s a solid workaround. There are more E mount than Z mount shooters so a bit easier to sell the lens if you want to
@ okay wonderful! So in using the Neewer ETZ any manual E mount lens will work with ALL manual focus tools? Even TT artisan and other third party options? As far as I know the only lenses that work on the native Z mount with all manual focus tools is Voigtlander?
It is quite bad that we have to use an adapter, because there are so many great lens options.
I haven’t tested all the manual lenses out there but it seems to work with every vintage lens I have tested. If the manual lens is chipped itself (e.g. the Voigtlander E mount lenses) I am not sure all the information is passed through? But then just get the Z mount Voigtlander chipped lenses
@ okay, sorry for bombing you with questions, this situation is very vague on the internet with a lot of mixed information going round.
Yes, I also thought of going with Voigtlander, but they do not have a 28mm, hence the Simera.
I suppose if the old vintage Nikon glass without any connections work with the adapter, any lens would…
Not a problem at all. I had all of the same questions you have! I guess the camera is using the same mechanism for focus peaking right? No reason why it can’t be a firmware update. Simera in E mount adapted via the E to Z adapter is the way I am thinking too. But I am also an M shooter… decisions decisions
if youre looking for vintage lens ang film camera 2ndbase in akihabara is the best option also fujiya camera at nakano there is also that open recently in yokohama station only forgot the store name but it was also a vintage camera shop
Fujiya camera was awesome - thanks for the other tips!!
Out of curiosity: I may be wrong but the Zf has focus peaking and it can also confirm focus as the “old” DSLRs -when you are looking on the viewfinder and a green dot shows up-. Yet, I’d stick to the FTZ ii, as it is part of the same ecosystem.
Yes it has those features, but you need to be using a chipped lens or a chipped adapter. FTZii only allows this for AF-D chipped manual lenses apparently but it’s all a compatibility mess unfortunately
Awesome work on your video as always my friend! 😊
Unfortunately you only confirmed the adapter mess we currently have, if we want to adapt certain lenses and simulationsly want specific features 😅
Let’s see if nikon will release anything for the Zf / retro line up next year. I personally still hoping for an AF retro design lens with aperture ring 😇
Do you know the Voigtländer M to Z adapter? I think it is the best regarding correct zone focusing, because of the possibility of close focusing, but i don’t think it has any electronic contacts.
I'm honestly expecting Nikon to let us starve. I mean they released the ZF in 2023 of Summer and how many SE lenses did we see this year? None.
@IntrovertAmateur only way is to back to F mount and get a DF! Haha I haven’t tested the Voigtlander adapter, heard it’s great quality but unchipped. I guess if they chipped their adapters it would stop us buying their native Z mount lenses? Let’s see how Nikon follows up the ZF, surely they are a fan of money and there’s lots to be made in this segment
@Cleverconveyence I guess the Z6III launch cost a lot of capital, and perhaps the ZF success caught them off guard. I am impatiently waiting for a rangefinder ZS myself haha
I just got the Voigt M to Z and it is very nice build quality - not chipped though :(. The close focus feature on it is nice - makes my m-lenses sort of like a macro. I also have the TTartisan 6bit adapter and it's nice having the focus confirmation and it seems to read all leica 6 bit coded lenses and has gotten all of them correctly in EXIF. My only gripe on the TTartisan is it won't full mount a couple of my Voigt lenses but does full mount the my leica and zeiss. The voigt adapter fully mounts all of them with the locking click when mounted. I've reached out to TTartisan and might be looking at swapping for another copy.
@MikeJones-zk4ce good to know - hopefully TTartisan can give you another unit. They’ve been pretty responsive in the past
Wait you didn't show us the complete table. Which adapter best covers the functions that you mentioned?
Ah sorry got lost in the edit. TTartisan and Neewer are the best, except the TTartisan vignettes with F mount lenses in my experience. Neewer doesn’t have the best build quality but functionality wise all it’s missing is accurate focal length EXIF data.
@@BokehTherapy does the ttartisan 6bit mtoz vignette with leica m lenses ? im very interested with the zf because the af confirmation is so much better than sl2s imo.
@@dankmemenoobmaster TTArtisan doesn't vignette with M lenses on the Zf in my experience but it messes with zone focus alignment on some wider angle lenses? Still worth it in my opinion
Have you tried the Neewer adapter with a M mount adapter ?
I use the ttartisan 6bit with a M to LTM adapter , but with my wider (35mm) lens, I unfortunately get some vingetting wide open.
Yes I have, M to E mount is pretty thin adapter so I didn’t see much vignetting. Stacking adapters is always tricky, I worry about the mounts getting stuck
@@BokehTherapy So I did a bit of digging and found a thread where someone using a ttartisan e to m adapter on Sony cameras actually took a dremel to it to create ‘corners’ inside. That modification is a bit much for me.
I did try disassembling the ttartisan m to z adapter I had and took out one of the ‘satin’ finish parts on the inner tube out. It’s only held in place by three tiny screws so very easy to do and reverse. It doesn’t seem structural, but only there to reduce light bouncing around. One big positives is that the hard vignetting is completely gone from my LTM and F mount lenses!!
Now it does expose some inner electronics, but it’s not like it’s weatherproof anyways. But I’m left wondering if the tube was even needed to prevent light bouncing around?
Perhaps a good idea for you to test out this small modification for another video? :)
nice manual adapters comparison for nikon Z, I wanted to ask if you get reliable or precise infinity focus in your TTartisan M to Z mount adapter using leica lenses and third party lenses, also in 0.7 or close focus and also in zone focus or range focus style. many affordable adapters can`t have precise focus written on the lens scale to set the focus. thank you
It depends entirely on the lens unfortunately - I can zone focus fine with the Leica 35mm f1.4 FLE V1, 50mm f1.4 ASPH, 50mm f1.2 voigtlander. Wider lenses have more trouble - the thypoch 28mm simera doesn’t line up for zone focus. That’s one of the problems with adapting unfortunately
I've used adapted glasses for years, and with my ZF, I don't. To me, the added lenght and weight aren't compatible with the ZF. So I stick to 4 lenses : 28mm SE, 35mm Pergear, 40mm SE, or TTArtisan 75mm.
Sounds like a great kit - I don't mind heavier lenses on the Zf myself but lots of options for everyone
Thank you for all of this effort and research into this! At the end of the day, which one of these sets of adaptors do you think you will end up using?
It is great to see you still looking into AI-s. There are so many great ones, but as you touch on here, there is a lot to consider if you are going to purchase one. I can say first hand, taking the lenses apart is harder than I anticipated. They are sealed up quite tightly, ha ha.
Ohh you’ve taken them apart? I am not game for that, I have gone to Richard Haw’s website and got scared off by the lens operations haha! I will use the Neewer + Shoten adapter combo for F mount, and TTartisan for M mount lenses. Best of both worlds!
@BokehTherapy I have done some simple disassembly, but they have stuff to lock the threads which makes it pretty difficult to take them apart, even if you have the proper wrenches and things. I would rather pay more to ensure there is no fungus, but looking at online photos is not always the best, ha ha.
Haha yup pics are easy to fake and fungus grows right back. Need to trust the sellers
Watched the video but not sure I saw your conclusion. Was your conclusion that the TTArtisan the best adapter for F to Z?
Neewer is better than TTartisan for vignetting when it comes to F to E then E to Z. Thanks for watching!
Perfect video topic. Will watch later. I hope there are real optionscas the ftz really kills the aesthetic. Thank god for voigt lenses native
Haha yes life would be easier if I just got all voigtlander lenses. F mount has so many options though
I’m surprised with the price difference that the Neewer performs better than the Megadap. I’m slowly leaning towards getting a Z6iii 😭
Megadap is better for autofocus! Haha the Z6III is nice, your Sony kit is probably more capable though (assuming you haven't sold it already!)
@ yea, but you know the typical GAS behavior lol
For sure. You use it a bit for work too right? It all blends together on the need vs want scale lol
Another excellent video, thanks 🎉🎉
Thanks so much!
And what about the Shoten?
Shoten is great but it is not chipped! This video is all focused on the chipped adapters, but I use a Shoten F to E mount to connect the Neewer E to Z for the vintage look.
Even brand new straight from the box Z lenses will have dust in it if you shine light through one end and look through the other.
Haha yup dust is everywhere. Not a dealbreaker for sure
Nikon may not. But surely we can hope for a 3rd party f to z adapter that does tick all the boxes?
Maybe if there is enough demand!
It kills me that this has to be so convoluted. Nikon could surely create an "ultimate" adapter, but Nikon does Nikon things...
I think there's just not enough money to be made from adapters, more from newer Z lenses? Nikon is competing for market share so there's hope if we make enough demands as the community
@@BokehTherapy funny thing is the lack of a good adapter is exactly what's keeping me from committing to a new Z body.
Hope Nikon hears the feedback!
@@nickthaskater And that isn't significant to any business....the very few people that want what they want without any understanding of what the people at Nikon want, which is to survive and prosper in a very competitive market where they're not the king and mistakes can cost them dearly....who cares about the ten people that "oh I'd buy the camera if you had an adaptor" which is a lie anyway....do you have a Fuji XT5? Because Fuji has the adaptors....do you have any of the other cameras that have the adaptors that let you use third party lenses? Is your work any good or are you just a guy with so much free time that you make random comments on RUclips without even realizing that everyone at Nikon can think of what you think of...and much more, and processes that input in a prioritized consideration of what grows our business? Nothing wrong with letting you choose a different camera, just as you're free to start your own camera manufacturing company and spend the millions on capital investments, lawyers for the contracts, rental agreements, employee payroll, employee benefits, business insurance, shipping fees, production plants, company vehicles, engineering staff, consultants, advertising, etc......maybe do all that and see if you care about one guy that wants you to make a camera his way?
@locophoto6881 you have a lot of time on your hands. Go out and shoot.
I didn't understand if this is a video about photographic equipment, or a Japanese lesson. An unsuccessful mix.
Not every video is a winner - trying something different. Thanks for watching anyway
Might be a comprehension problem, and not a video production problem. Pretty sure it's obvious which is the real issue, as there's no likes on your comment, and I didn't have any issue, and typically it's a less educated and simple mind that can't process that reality happens on many simultaneous layers....so it was actually a creatively intelligent effort to intermingle sponsorship agenda into the walk around Japan searching for lenses in a country that gasp....speaks Japanese and anyone that would visit as a non-Japanese person would easily benefit from some basic linguistic assistance.
I am not a scientist like yourself so please forgive me if maybe I display some ignorance here.
Regarding fungus, here is my simplified understanding of how it works and how you can stop it from happening or from reappearing after being removed.
Fungus spores are everywhere, they cannot be avoided, they are in every breath we take.
Fungus is like a plant, it needs three things to survive, water, food but unlike a normal plant, darkness instead of light.
So if you deprive it of any one of these three things it simply cannot grow.
Food, I'm not so sure where from but the microscopic dust inside a lens or even it has been suggested lens coatings. Water, from humidity, above 45 to 50% and darkness from keeping it in a case or a camera bag.
I live in SE Asia and I do use a humidity cabinet to house all my cameras. If you live, say in Arizona, you would never have to worry due to the low humidity.
So, according to this theory, despite where I live, if I just left my lenses out in a light filled area or used them on a regular basis, I should not have to worry. But, despite what I have said above, I'm still not willing to test this out in the real world.😮
Fungus does not randomly occur as if by magic and it is not inevitable.
Hi Gary, all very sensible and practical things to try! I don't have a dry cabinet, maybe I should invest in one? Thanks for the feedback!
Arizona here...and yes lenses get fungus in Arizona...don't confuse outside weather with inside conditions....a lens can grow fungus in another state, be shipped to your house, and that fungus can spread easily to every lens in your house or every lens in a camera shop, hence camera shops refusing to do ANY work on ANY lens that has fungus....the spores can get into anything they are so tiny and mobile, and then they grow and can ruin the lens or at least the resale value as no one wants a lens with fungus. With that said....yes, fungus can be treated in most cases, but life normally has many other higher priorities than constantly checking the condition of lenses so it's often not seen until too late. Avoid anything that looks like it has fungus, unless you're expert at dealign with it offsite away from your other lenses.