This deserves more than just a like! So I'm gonna thank you both for everything you do. Both of you are shining lights for all us going through this. kind regards Paul UK
Omg you describe it spot on, Angie!!! You can have akath....and go to work!!! No one knows how desperate we are to not die from it and just try to focus on other things or find a purpose in desperation, while we are in absolutely hell in our bodies!!!! And then someone says, you look fine!!!!! If that is not traumatic, what is?😢. Other people stay home from work or other things, when they have a flu!!! Omg. Peece of cake!!!! Thank you SO much for your work both of you. You help me to keep my self alive for my children ❤🙏
50:34 Went in for talk therapy one day. Two weeks behind locked doors. Haven't been the same in 30 years now. It's barbaric. Totally get it folks. 1991 beginning of the end. 2023 the end of the beginning. I'm with you all. You are so right.
28:50 Indescribable inhumanity. "All there is, is metaphor." And as is happening here, recognition and understanding through the shared experience of such horror, at and in the hands of ignorant authority (the medical/pharma model). Who don't recognise what they inflict on innocent people, who they are then content to discard as worthless and hopeless. "poisoned again. and again. and again." Well, you both showed them, what psychological resilience is. Thank you for your endurance and your survival, and for what you do to put right where there is so much wrong.
I’m doing really well now my detox was three days on phenobarbital I told him I did not want any other drugs that was after 12 years use of benzos anti-depressants antipsychotics and mood stabilizers cold turkey all that shit fuck that I also took Cipro for a month that’s what landed me back on the fucking benzos and the antipsychotics was the Cipro. thanks to both of you. I hope you’re doing well too. Maybe once my court is over for my divorce and my children and I can join y’all and helping others.
@@AngiePeacockMSW I know it’s not recommended but I had to. It’s been over 2 years now since that happened. I’ve been to both the detox and I’ve been to several psychwards they are very familiar with who I am I never had to take any meds at the psychwards. I was able to hold my shit together in them. It was a great escape away from an abusive spouse so it was like vacation. I still had a million XSX but I’ve got high tolerance to fked up shit. and Im still med free.😊🌹 I was on high dose of benzos for over 12 years, and I took every second generation antipsychotic. There was an all antidepressants from the SSRI SSRI, including Wellbutrin. I have been through all kinds of psychiatric medication drugs. I also did ketamine that was a nightmare. I’m not gonna say I didn’t suffer because I did, but I made it through. I’m totally clean I don’t drink I don’t smoke. I don’t drink caffeine and I eat organic Whole Foods. Exposure therapy was the greatest thing that helped me and I was put through a lot of abuse the whole time it’s still going through abuse but I’m still making it.
Thanks for that link to MIA, what about something slower and with more inclusion of diet and and nutrition. I was looking at Alternative To Meds Center in AZ?
Angie and Dan, how and where should I look for a course I need to take to get a degree to help others going through this? I’m 42 days off Klonopin. I’m in the facebook community on some sites and I find myself speaking words of hope and encouragement to others. It is helping me to heal as well. I’m 62 and I’m not ready to retire yet! Helping others going through this is what I want to do with the rest of my life. I feel like it’s my purpose from this point on.
I would say your lived experience is your training ground for right now. Healing is your touchstone to look at every aspect of your life to come out of this better than you went in. Next consider some training in non-violent communication or a mental health counseling program. I feel that some of the skills needed (and mandatory) are how to listen, how to hold non-judgmental and unconditional LOVE and space for people who are suffering. So… you can get that through NVC courses, spirituality courses, mental health programs (as long as you can discern the crappy medical model stuff) and coaching programs. Just seek these things out and see what resonates with you!
@@juliehatton1961 how are you doing now? As I can see, your comment here is two months ago. Are you still struggling with some symptoms? I am 4 months off xanax, and having many horrible symptoms. Please stay connected.
Oh my gosh yes, I’ve been told all the time because I did certain things during my wd I wasn’t that bad. Or because I’m mostly healed I couldn’t have suffered like others suffer. I was like you, I had to constantly go. I had caustrophobia. I couldn’t sit or lie down. I hate the fact that if you don’t fit these set criteria you aren’t severely injured. I hate the comparison of suffering and some people are so hung up on doing that.
Wonderful episode. Thank you both for your time and the work you do. Angie, I also hate when people in the community play the one-up game with suffering. I’ve also seen this in some benzo groups with sentiments towards antidepressant withdrawal. I see folks saying antidepressant withdrawal is a cakewalk in comparison. I make sure to let them know I’m on a benzo for horrendous SSRI withdrawal akathesia 👀
Omg I hate that too. Or "well be glad you didn't take a benzo! You'd be in hell." Ha. My brain and life is destryoed and I'm traumatized beyond functioning by an ssri. Cant get worse. They are all poison
Does the triggers which increases our symptoms severely delay or affect our healing process? My physical and mental symptoms increases intensly after a tension with some family member, or by a thought, or by smelling some thing strong. Please help.
9/10 psychiatrists will prescribe meds when their duty is to say you don’t need meds. You go for an expert opinion. They not only ignore risk when prescribing, they just prescribe it. They call damage risk. And no damage isn’t risk. It’s damage. It’s like saying the risk of punching yourself in the face is headache, dizziness, nausea and blurred vision. By calling it side effects, doesn’t make punching yourself in the face worth it.
@@Slidehhy 942 days off now mild dp Dr feel low energy sym but it is improving now take metapralol succinate 75 mg and ivabradine for fast heart rate still tinitus broken sleep 6 7 hours all physical sym gone now how are you
Beautiful, guys, thank you. Angie, when you found that old video and said that his words were your hope back then, I lit up. One of the main things that’s been getting me through for at least a year has been something you said in one of your posts. You were describing how much hell you went through, how you thought all the success stories were bull crap, and you said you were inconsolable for a long time. Then you said something like “Then all of a sudden, I wasn’t inconsolable.” That simple statement really stuck with me, and it gets me through the day, knowing that someday I will heal too.
You two have helped me greatly,I’ve been off my antidepressants for 10 months and I’m doing better but still have pounding heart, thoughts of doom but they come and go .my evenings are pretty good ,I sleep 5-6 hrs a night,l feel I’m healin, it’s the mornings I suffer with anxiety 😩
After 16j of seroxat.....now medfree since 2019. My ears started to inflame en heavy ringing when completly stopped it begon. Inflamation and puss went away after a year stopped 5 years off today. 24/7 ringing ears still here . When stress increase the ringing is more and louder.
For sure, this is the dark ages It's observation. And don't go to the Mental hospital for help. Together we can figure this out. Together. 2 days 2 pills 💊 💊 seroquil. I started hearing voices to kill myself, end my pain. (I did have ptsd FROM getting shackled in the mental hospital) so figure that in For a month I felt 'cray cray' 2 pills. Scarry.
Wow, heartbreaking, I'm trying to taper off everything too right now, I cry alot.. Gonna keep my Invega Trinza though for now, don't wanna get carted off again, have a schizoaffective diagnosis too.
Terrific to see more and more people transforming their psychiatric hell experiences into good by doing things like coaching and making videos and much more. You two are awesome role models! Thanks for mentioning in the discussion that withdrawal problems are not necessarily related only to benzodiazepines. Most people are on more than one kind of psychotropic drug when they decide to taper, so it can be hard to distinguish which one(s) are causing the withdrawal symptoms and neurological problems. It's complex and it's probably all of them.
@@AngiePeacockMSWthese intrusive thoughts destroyed my life. It all started in puberty. The worst are all about death and associates with what I love the most, my child. I believe it had to do with hormone imbalance. Ever since I’ve lost my father last year, I am thinking very dark.
@@AngiePeacockMSW I didn’t take antibiotics. I just had some strong ones for resistant UTI bacteria two months ago, and ever since, I’m going insane. I was tapering Zoloft to 7mg and stoped because the symptoms from antibiotics. Last time I took benzo 0.10mg was in March and now I had to restart last month 0.5mg a day. I went to inward psychiatric hospital and they put me on Prozac and I left after two days. I stoped the Prozac because I didn’t feel well on it. Today I came back to the hospital with insane symptoms of anxiety and they don’t want to admit me again after waiting 24 hours for a doctor. I jus left and probably they did me a favor because after I took again 10 mg Prozac two days ago, I literally felt like dying. I don’t know but I cannot tolerate SSRI’s again. What should I do Angie? I’m also on 7.5mg Mirtazepine for sleep. I know that it’s hormones to me because my periods are hectic and I’m 47 perimenopausal. I’ve heard that antidepressants with HRT work so that’s why I was going to try them again.
Just a question: what if you are off the benzos for 2 years but every time you try and come off another med the BIND comes roaring back - even within days of a tiny drop. Do I hold longer on the other meds? My CNS is obviously still trying desperately to recover from the benzo damage of 10 years use.
I have a question please, what do i do if i have a lot of symptoms that seem different from everyone's. I keep hearing about anxiety, akathesia, burning, and such, which i do have, but on top of that, i have severe debilitating symptoms that i don't even know how to describe in words and that makes me feel like my case is different and more severe
Exorsize is the best thing you can do for this. It sucks in the short term but in the long run ittl help alot. Noght an day diffrence could potentially cut your healimg process in half.
This deserves more than just a like! So I'm gonna thank you both for everything you do. Both of you are shining lights for all us going through this. kind regards Paul UK
Angie is a gracious host while Dan is a compelling guest. Appreciation to you both.
Thank you for this. Very similar to my story in some ways. Ten years coming off meds here and still a few to go. You both inspire such hope.
Omg you describe it spot on, Angie!!! You can have akath....and go to work!!! No one knows how desperate we are to not die from it and just try to focus on other things or find a purpose in desperation, while we are in absolutely hell in our bodies!!!! And then someone says, you look fine!!!!! If that is not traumatic, what is?😢.
Other people stay home from work or other things, when they have a flu!!! Omg. Peece of cake!!!!
Thank you SO much for your work both of you. You help me to keep my self alive for my children ❤🙏
Dan and Angie are a God sent 😢
50:34 Went in for talk therapy one day. Two weeks behind locked doors. Haven't been the same in 30 years now. It's barbaric. Totally get it folks. 1991 beginning of the end. 2023 the end of the beginning. I'm with you all. You are so right.
It's all about Retraining and Rebuilding the central nervous system 💪💜God work 👍
28:50 Indescribable inhumanity. "All there is, is metaphor." And as is happening here, recognition and understanding through the shared experience of such horror, at and in the hands of ignorant authority (the medical/pharma model). Who don't recognise what they inflict on innocent people, who they are then content to discard as worthless and hopeless. "poisoned again. and again. and again." Well, you both showed them, what psychological resilience is. Thank you for your endurance and your survival, and for what you do to put right where there is so much wrong.
Thank you for the encouraging inspiration ❤
u2 are legit heroes ,...god will repay you
Solid interview, Dan & Angie. 💪
Thanks, David!
I’m doing really well now my detox was three days on phenobarbital I told him I did not want any other drugs that was after 12 years use of benzos anti-depressants antipsychotics and mood stabilizers cold turkey all that shit fuck that I also took Cipro for a month that’s what landed me back on the fucking benzos and the antipsychotics was the Cipro. thanks to both of you. I hope you’re doing well too. Maybe once my court is over for my divorce and my children and I can join y’all and helping others.
I do not recommend cold turkey / rehab. Too risky for many: www.madinamerica.com/2022/11/detox-facilities-psych-wards/
@@AngiePeacockMSW I know it’s not recommended but I had to. It’s been over 2 years now since that happened. I’ve been to both the detox and I’ve been to several psychwards they are very familiar with who I am I never had to take any meds at the psychwards. I was able to hold my shit together in them. It was a great escape away from an abusive spouse so it was like vacation. I still had a million XSX but I’ve got high tolerance to fked up shit. and Im still med free.😊🌹 I was on high dose of benzos for over 12 years, and I took every second generation antipsychotic. There was an all antidepressants from the SSRI SSRI, including Wellbutrin. I have been through all kinds of psychiatric medication drugs. I also did ketamine that was a nightmare. I’m not gonna say I didn’t suffer because I did, but I made it through. I’m totally clean I don’t drink I don’t smoke. I don’t drink caffeine and I eat organic Whole Foods. Exposure therapy was the greatest thing that helped me and I was put through a lot of abuse the whole time it’s still going through abuse but I’m still making it.
Thanks for that link to MIA, what about something slower and with more inclusion of diet and and nutrition. I was looking at Alternative To Meds Center in AZ?
Thanks guys ! It’s hard to find this sort of info in Australia. Most of the professionals seem clueless.
Angie and Dan, how and where should I look for a course I need to take to get a degree to help others going through this? I’m 42 days off Klonopin. I’m in the facebook community on some sites and I find myself speaking words of hope and encouragement to others. It is helping me to heal as well. I’m 62 and I’m not ready to retire yet! Helping others going through this is what I want to do with the rest of my life. I feel like it’s my purpose from this point on.
I would say your lived experience is your training ground for right now. Healing is your touchstone to look at every aspect of your life to come out of this better than you went in. Next consider some training in non-violent communication or a mental health counseling program. I feel that some of the skills needed (and mandatory) are how to listen, how to hold non-judgmental and unconditional LOVE and space for people who are suffering. So… you can get that through NVC courses, spirituality courses, mental health programs (as long as you can discern the crappy medical model stuff) and coaching programs. Just seek these things out and see what resonates with you!
@@AngiePeacockMSW thank you!
@@juliehatton1961 how are you doing now? As I can see, your comment here is two months ago.
Are you still struggling with some symptoms?
I am 4 months off xanax, and having many horrible symptoms.
Please stay connected.
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Oh my gosh yes, I’ve been told all the time because I did certain things during my wd I wasn’t that bad. Or because I’m mostly healed I couldn’t have suffered like others suffer. I was like you, I had to constantly go. I had caustrophobia. I couldn’t sit or lie down. I hate the fact that if you don’t fit these set criteria you aren’t severely injured. I hate the comparison of suffering and some people are so hung up on doing that.
Wonderful episode. Thank you both for your time and the work you do. Angie, I also hate when people in the community play the one-up game with suffering. I’ve also seen this in some benzo groups with sentiments towards antidepressant withdrawal. I see folks saying antidepressant withdrawal is a cakewalk in comparison. I make sure to let them know I’m on a benzo for horrendous SSRI withdrawal akathesia 👀
Omg I hate that too. Or "well be glad you didn't take a benzo! You'd be in hell." Ha. My brain and life is destryoed and I'm traumatized beyond functioning by an ssri. Cant get worse. They are all poison
Thanks
Does the triggers which increases our symptoms severely delay or affect our healing process?
My physical and mental symptoms increases intensly after a tension with some family member, or by a thought, or by smelling some thing strong.
Please help.
9/10 psychiatrists will prescribe meds when their duty is to say you don’t need meds. You go for an expert opinion. They not only ignore risk when prescribing, they just prescribe it. They call damage risk. And no damage isn’t risk. It’s damage. It’s like saying the risk of punching yourself in the face is headache, dizziness, nausea and blurred vision. By calling it side effects, doesn’t make punching yourself in the face worth it.
They are main effects not side effects.
936 days off still not 100 percent quit alcohol caffeine nicotine benzos ssri snri antidepressants
Did you improve
@@SlidehhyYes
@@rameshlumb4003 in what ways ?
@@Slidehhy 942 days off now mild dp Dr feel low energy sym but it is improving now take metapralol succinate 75 mg and ivabradine for fast heart rate still tinitus broken sleep 6 7 hours all physical sym gone now how are you
@@Slidehhyno physical symptoms now 1036days off still feel low energy
Please help me someone
Hold on!! You will heal!!❤
i hear you. I understand your need and your plea. please know, you can do this. you are doing it.
Hold on!! No stupid things.
❤️❤️❤️🫂
Hi Do you have a video of akathisia that can help me out like recovery
Beautiful, guys, thank you. Angie, when you found that old video and said that his words were your hope back then, I lit up. One of the main things that’s been getting me through for at least a year has been something you said in one of your posts. You were describing how much hell you went through, how you thought all the success stories were bull crap, and you said you were inconsolable for a long time. Then you said something like “Then all of a sudden, I wasn’t inconsolable.” That simple statement really stuck with me, and it gets me through the day, knowing that someday I will heal too.
You're doing big work, Angie. Deeply important with such passion AND compassion. Thanks to you and Dan for giving voice and offering insight, hope.
Thank you so much.
You two have helped me greatly,I’ve been off my antidepressants for 10 months and I’m doing better but still have pounding heart, thoughts of doom but they come and go .my evenings are pretty good ,I sleep 5-6 hrs a night,l feel I’m healin, it’s the mornings I suffer with anxiety 😩
😢😢😢 made me cry. Bless u bless u for this video ❤❤❤❤
Did either of you experience tinnitus? It's horrific.
I do a lot
Yeah
After 16j of seroxat.....now medfree since 2019. My ears started to inflame en heavy ringing when completly stopped it begon. Inflamation and puss went away after a year stopped 5 years off today. 24/7 ringing ears still here . When stress increase the ringing is more and louder.
I love how you were moved by his story. I was too.
This is heaven to my ears!! So beautifully said both of you. WOW 🤩 THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS.
For sure, this is the dark ages
It's observation. And don't go to the Mental hospital for help.
Together we can figure this out. Together.
2 days 2 pills 💊 💊 seroquil.
I started hearing voices to kill myself, end my pain. (I did have ptsd FROM getting shackled in the mental hospital) so figure that in
For a month I felt 'cray cray'
2 pills. Scarry.
God work 👍
Wow, heartbreaking, I'm trying to taper off everything too right now, I cry alot.. Gonna keep my Invega Trinza though for now, don't wanna get carted off again, have a schizoaffective diagnosis too.
Wait 9 months? God im 6yrs plus
Thank you... 💙
This helped me a lot thanks.
"If you stay alive, that's what is right."
🕊👍🙏
Terrific to see more and more people transforming their psychiatric hell experiences into good by doing things like coaching and making videos and much more. You two are awesome role models! Thanks for mentioning in the discussion that withdrawal problems are not necessarily related only to benzodiazepines. Most people are on more than one kind of psychotropic drug when they decide to taper, so it can be hard to distinguish which one(s) are causing the withdrawal symptoms and neurological problems. It's complex and it's probably all of them.
I have a question please, i have been obsessing over death like everyday and I don't know why. It is a chemical thing as well?
Yes this is very common to think about death constantly. It’s very disturbing but will go away.
How do we explain the suffering of anxiety before meds. Med withdrawals almost killed me but even before the meds, I’ve suffered with OCD.
HEAL IT IN OTHER WAYS. THere's a TON of videos about how to heal OCD on RUclips.
@@AngiePeacockMSWthese intrusive thoughts destroyed my life. It all started in puberty.
The worst are all about death and associates with what I love the most, my child.
I believe it had to do with hormone imbalance.
Ever since I’ve lost my father last year, I am thinking very dark.
gut health can cause this too. Did you take lots of antibiotics as a child? Have a poor diet?@@anatino
@@AngiePeacockMSW I didn’t take antibiotics. I just had some strong ones for resistant UTI bacteria two months ago, and ever since, I’m going insane. I was tapering Zoloft to 7mg and stoped because the symptoms from antibiotics. Last time I took benzo 0.10mg was in March and now I had to restart last month 0.5mg a day.
I went to inward psychiatric hospital and they put me on Prozac and I left after two days. I stoped the Prozac because I didn’t feel well on it.
Today I came back to the hospital with insane symptoms of anxiety and they don’t want to admit me again after waiting 24 hours for a doctor.
I jus left and probably they did me a favor because after I took again 10 mg Prozac two days ago, I literally felt like dying. I don’t know but I cannot tolerate SSRI’s again.
What should I do Angie? I’m also on 7.5mg Mirtazepine for sleep.
I know that it’s hormones to me because my periods are hectic and I’m 47 perimenopausal.
I’ve heard that antidepressants with HRT work so that’s why I was going to try them again.
Just a question: what if you are off the benzos for 2 years but every time you try and come off another med the BIND comes roaring back - even within days of a tiny drop. Do I hold longer on the other meds? My CNS is obviously still trying desperately to recover from the benzo damage of 10 years use.
Damn! 18 drugs.
Hey I was on Ativan for 30 years got tolerance and went to rehab and got tapered off in 5 days been off of Ativan for 9 months and not good need help
Please attend one of my acute withdrawal support circles. One meets tomorrow: calendly.com/apeacockconsulting
Angie, was this 18 drugs at one time?
yep! 40 total in 13 years.
😢
I have a question please, what do i do if i have a lot of symptoms that seem different from everyone's. I keep hearing about anxiety, akathesia, burning, and such, which i do have, but on top of that, i have severe debilitating symptoms that i don't even know how to describe in words and that makes me feel like my case is different and more severe
You’ll have to try to describe them for me.
@AngiePeacockMSW The only way i know how to describe is that my brain is suffocating from the inside and I'm about to die
Exorsize is the best thing you can do for this. It sucks in the short term but in the long run ittl help alot. Noght an day diffrence could potentially cut your healimg process in half.
How to differentiate withdrawal from depression in the first symptoms or place?
markhorowitz.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/distinguishing-relapse-from-antidepressant-withdrawal-clinical-practice-and-antidepressant-discontinuation-studies.pdf