I have ironman races booked, July and October so it's probably about time to do one. The standard calculations I don't think work once you get to my age (61), I mean, 159, I could probably get above that walking. I know I can get into the 180s running, and the 170s on the bike. Swimming I have no idea.
I once had my max HR test / VO2 Max and Lactate Threshold done in a lab for bike and run. Essentially warm up and then increase pace (running) power (cycling) every 3 minutes until you can't go anymore or vomit ;) . I have continued to use that method for myself and the athletes I coach. I will try these shorter versions and see how they workout. People tend to push themselves harder in a race than in "test" mode so I like to check the max HRs on those short races or when doing track intervals as well.
Interesting to compare the calculators with real values. For me: 220-age=167 207-(0.7 x age)=170 211-(0.64 x age)=177 Real world, looking back at Garmin data: Cycling; max efforts in spin classes (high load & high cadence; intervals) = 164 Run; max efforts on track (recent pyramid set) = 161; from recent sprint duathlon = 164 The calculators are a good guide but don't take into account resting HR. A good warm up and a properly fitted/wetted HRM strap with a new battery is key; did a threshold repeats run recently and my reported HR shot up to 177. Once properly sweaty it settled down to more reasonable (140-160) levels for each repeat. The battery was also clearly on the way out as it died on a ride soon afterwards.
Many times in this series I've seen Heather push back on some of the challenges and she's not bothered to come up with some bogus fake excuses like "I'm recovering from a hard race" or "I've been sick", she's like: "Nope, too cold", "Nope, this is painful and i don't want to do this" or "Nope don't want to get my hair wet" lol. Good on ya, keep your boundaries, she seems like someone who knows how to preserve herself functioning well under the pressures of work, athletic and professional life.
Garmin has an option to automatically adjust max heart rate (and hence zones) based on data. I found this when I upgraded to an Epix Gen 2. Once enabled, I received notifications of increases on particularly hard runs. The last one was during a parkrun 'sandwich' - by sandwich, I mean running to parkrun, about 5k in my case, running parkrun and running back. Double decker and panini options are available for running the 'filling' twice, or a longer run back and forth. Having run to the event, you are warmed up and giving the beans for parkrun certainly pushes the level. The alert, at 192bpm had me looking at the data afterwards and I saw that after the first hill, most of the run was in the high 180s. That was a 22:38 time, so not super fast and some way off a PB. Aged 53, I am not sure whether to be proud or worried!
@@iaan81 There is a slight possibility, however there are few things to check: did the person use HR strap or just watch (on a sweaty hand maybe) that have couple seconds delay to notice spikes or can show wrong reading depending also on wrist shape and the veins (my girlfriend´s watch sometimes stay in zones 1/2 while she is already in zone 4, myself - when working out sometimes it jumps to 190 and I am somewhere around 120-130). Max HR can vary even day by day depending on rest, hydration, etc. When doing extremely hard physical activity, you can easily reach max HR, it DOES NOT mean that if he did sprints with 192 top he can go somewhere higher (he might - 2-3 beats and then collapse). Anyway, you should be training nowhere near your max HR, young or old, if untrained athlete without proper medical checks done prior your exercises. The clinical test for "ordinary people" ends when reaching 90% of estimated max HR (based on the classic formula 220-age and YES, MOST people WILL fit into this) - I mean stress test on bike. That is the objective, safe way to push for a normal person, i.e. your zone 4 or somewhere around your lactate treshold. An undiscussed YET VERY VERY IMPORTANT topic is your BLOOD PRESSURE while performing tough physical activities. It gets crazy high and it can get you (collapse, stroke, heart attack) before you even reach max HR (staying on lactate treshold HR bpm is enough for most untrained people to risk it all). The bad thing is that you can not really strengthen your blood vessels that much to handle it (yes, genetics). Therefore I recommend everyone to get stress tests and echocardiogram at sports clinic or at cardio MD before pushing really hard in any type of sport or before pursuing any amateur sports career and repeat it every 2-3 years. Mind you, the "longevity" type of workouts are mostly in zone 2. Cheers!
@@rogerstarz I look at this as follows. I can easily spend 30 minutes in Zone 5 predicted by the formula and recover in 3 minutes almost to my walking heart rate.. This means that my zone 5 limits are set incorrectly and my max heart rate is higher than what the formula says.
Awesome info. I did wonder about fitness variation affecting max hr. I am 70 yo male and love power hiking through the hills in Adelaide. Been doing it for years for my cardio and over all health since my cvd. I often wondered what was the safe range for me considering my cvd history. I pretty much got it in order having also adopted a Whole Food Plant base diet. Wished i done that many years ago so as not having ended up with cvd in the first place. I do use a watch that monitirs my basic cardio data and i keep an eye on it. I find myself being able to push myself beyound the 151 bpm max based on the 220. Between 150 and 165 on average in varying intensity. There had been a few times when my hr went up too much showing 199bpm. Strangely i felt no difference other than heavier breathing strain. Slowed down but found hr dropping fairly slowly. It is good to know that another more,acurate calcularion is offered here for me to follow. Based on that i can use 166bpm as my max. Generally, i do listen to my body. It provides me with the best information. Bearing in mind, warmer days will also affect your hr.
The thing nobody talks about is blood pressure. You can handle extra high HR itself, but the key thing is what is your BP with particular HR. If you are anywhere above 220mmhg of upper, the risks are increasing extremely ALSO if you are trained athlete. You can get the ergometry with BP done at cardiologist or sports doctor to see how are you doing. Most amateurs have BP way too high at lactate treshold already, so anything above should be a no go. Also, if you plan to push in your trainings, get echo cardiogram done to see if your heart is 100% ok.
In Garmin I trust.......... It seems to be trying to track Max Heart Rate OK. Sometimes if not worn properly it measures low during some runs but I've not seen it measure stupid high so I imagine it's got a fairly good guess at Max BPM.
Will you be finding out your max heart rate after watching this video? 😳
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I have ironman races booked, July and October so it's probably about time to do one. The standard calculations I don't think work once you get to my age (61), I mean, 159, I could probably get above that walking. I know I can get into the 180s running, and the 170s on the bike. Swimming I have no idea.
No way, I don't think setting arbitrary percentages of one's max heart rate is the best way to get the right training zones anyway
i test this regularly and hate it. currently only 178 (running - 50 in a few months)
I once had my max HR test / VO2 Max and Lactate Threshold done in a lab for bike and run. Essentially warm up and then increase pace (running) power (cycling) every 3 minutes until you can't go anymore or vomit ;) . I have continued to use that method for myself and the athletes I coach. I will try these shorter versions and see how they workout. People tend to push themselves harder in a race than in "test" mode so I like to check the max HRs on those short races or when doing track intervals as well.
Love the way the streetlight comes on at the announcement of "a bit of bad news" at 01:50 🤣
Interesting to compare the calculators with real values.
For me:
220-age=167
207-(0.7 x age)=170
211-(0.64 x age)=177
Real world, looking back at Garmin data:
Cycling; max efforts in spin classes (high load & high cadence; intervals) = 164
Run; max efforts on track (recent pyramid set) = 161; from recent sprint duathlon = 164
The calculators are a good guide but don't take into account resting HR.
A good warm up and a properly fitted/wetted HRM strap with a new battery is key; did a threshold repeats run recently and my reported HR shot up to 177. Once properly sweaty it settled down to more reasonable (140-160) levels for each repeat. The battery was also clearly on the way out as it died on a ride soon afterwards.
Resting HR has no relevance for Max HR. For some it may be useful for setting zones. But generally the bigger that operating range, the better.
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I like using aerobic threshold from a lab test (2mmol lactate or where fats/carbs cross, whichever is lower) as my top of zone 2
Many times in this series I've seen Heather push back on some of the challenges and she's not bothered to come up with some bogus fake excuses like "I'm recovering from a hard race" or "I've been sick", she's like: "Nope, too cold", "Nope, this is painful and i don't want to do this" or "Nope don't want to get my hair wet" lol. Good on ya, keep your boundaries, she seems like someone who knows how to preserve herself functioning well under the pressures of work, athletic and professional life.
She did the "Ironman without food" that count for a long time: ruclips.net/video/tpCxlyW6nZ0/видео.html
After a warm up, I went for a new PB on a 2km row (And got it) to get my max Heart rate recently.
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Garmin has an option to automatically adjust max heart rate (and hence zones) based on data. I found this when I upgraded to an Epix Gen 2. Once enabled, I received notifications of increases on particularly hard runs.
The last one was during a parkrun 'sandwich' - by sandwich, I mean running to parkrun, about 5k in my case, running parkrun and running back. Double decker and panini options are available for running the 'filling' twice, or a longer run back and forth. Having run to the event, you are warmed up and giving the beans for parkrun certainly pushes the level. The alert, at 192bpm had me looking at the data afterwards and I saw that after the first hill, most of the run was in the high 180s. That was a 22:38 time, so not super fast and some way off a PB. Aged 53, I am not sure whether to be proud or worried!
For sure such HR is not ok for your age
Not sure what to think about my Apple Watch. The hardest run I’ve had so far was 169 and I’m 42. It’s strange that I never reach top HR even if I try.
@@rogerstarzwhy not? If the guy was able to sustain it then his or her max heart rate is even higher.
@@iaan81 There is a slight possibility, however there are few things to check: did the person use HR strap or just watch (on a sweaty hand maybe) that have couple seconds delay to notice spikes or can show wrong reading depending also on wrist shape and the veins (my girlfriend´s watch sometimes stay in zones 1/2 while she is already in zone 4, myself - when working out sometimes it jumps to 190 and I am somewhere around 120-130). Max HR can vary even day by day depending on rest, hydration, etc. When doing extremely hard physical activity, you can easily reach max HR, it DOES NOT mean that if he did sprints with 192 top he can go somewhere higher (he might - 2-3 beats and then collapse). Anyway, you should be training nowhere near your max HR, young or old, if untrained athlete without proper medical checks done prior your exercises. The clinical test for "ordinary people" ends when reaching 90% of estimated max HR (based on the classic formula 220-age and YES, MOST people WILL fit into this) - I mean stress test on bike. That is the objective, safe way to push for a normal person, i.e. your zone 4 or somewhere around your lactate treshold. An undiscussed YET VERY VERY IMPORTANT topic is your BLOOD PRESSURE while performing tough physical activities. It gets crazy high and it can get you (collapse, stroke, heart attack) before you even reach max HR (staying on lactate treshold HR bpm is enough for most untrained people to risk it all). The bad thing is that you can not really strengthen your blood vessels that much to handle it (yes, genetics). Therefore I recommend everyone to get stress tests and echocardiogram at sports clinic or at cardio MD before pushing really hard in any type of sport or before pursuing any amateur sports career and repeat it every 2-3 years. Mind you, the "longevity" type of workouts are mostly in zone 2. Cheers!
@@rogerstarz I look at this as follows. I can easily spend 30 minutes in Zone 5 predicted by the formula and recover in 3 minutes almost to my walking heart rate.. This means that my zone 5 limits are set incorrectly and my max heart rate is higher than what the formula says.
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Awesome info. I did wonder about fitness variation affecting max hr.
I am 70 yo male and love power hiking through the hills in Adelaide. Been doing it for years for my cardio and over all health since my cvd.
I often wondered what was the safe range for me considering my cvd history. I pretty much got it in order having also adopted a Whole Food Plant base diet. Wished i done that many years ago so as not having ended up with cvd in the first place. I do use a watch that monitirs my basic cardio data and i keep an eye on it.
I find myself being able to push myself beyound the 151 bpm max based on the 220.
Between 150 and 165 on average in varying intensity. There had been a few times when my hr went up too much showing 199bpm. Strangely i felt no difference other than heavier breathing strain. Slowed down but found hr dropping fairly slowly. It is good to know that another more,acurate calcularion is offered here for me to follow. Based on that i can use 166bpm as my max. Generally, i do listen to my body. It provides me with the best information. Bearing in mind, warmer days will also affect your hr.
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The thing nobody talks about is blood pressure. You can handle extra high HR itself, but the key thing is what is your BP with particular HR. If you are anywhere above 220mmhg of upper, the risks are increasing extremely ALSO if you are trained athlete. You can get the ergometry with BP done at cardiologist or sports doctor to see how are you doing. Most amateurs have BP way too high at lactate treshold already, so anything above should be a no go. Also, if you plan to push in your trainings, get echo cardiogram done to see if your heart is 100% ok.
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In Garmin I trust.......... It seems to be trying to track Max Heart Rate OK. Sometimes if not worn properly it measures low during some runs but I've not seen it measure stupid high so I imagine it's got a fairly good guess at Max BPM.
My friend always say that Polar is the better than Garmin.
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