Bad Horses: They Do Exist (Episode 189) - Herm Gailey: A Lifetime with Horses
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 3 янв 2024
- The popular wisdom that there are no bad horses is generally true. But there are exceptions. Truly bad horses, either born or man-made, do exist. Ignore that fact and you may fail to recognize a truly dangerous horse when you encounter it.
About Herm Gailey:
Herm Gailey has spent a lifetime with horses. He is a nonprofessional rider who starts and trains his own horses to successful careers in multiple disciplines. Away from the show ring Herm retains a deep respect and appreciation for good reliable trail riding horses and believes that all horses benefit from this type of riding.
There is nothing for sale here. If these videos allow one person to avoid fear, frustration, or injury or help one horse get a better deal, then that is payment in full.
Filming and production by Kim Gailey-Fitting
Video Camera Company: Canon
Microphone Company: RODE
Song Credit: "Devil's Son" by Enter the Haggis
(www.enterthehaggis.com) 
Животные
I totally agree with you. I owned a horse that I got at five. She always pinned her ears saddling and rugging and was generally sour. I was not too worried as over time I learnt it was just her and it did not escalate to any worse behaviour and it made me wondered about her past and why she viewed humans negatively. As time went on she became dangerous on the ground where she for no apparent reason on a random day would flip to a state where she became dangerous to herself. Might I add she also was a loner in the herd and I wondered if she had not been socialised from young. In the roundyard one time I stepped in to slow her and she turned to face and went to charge right over me causing me to dive out of the way. Also in roundyard that day she ran faster and faster like she was being chased by a lion even leaving hooves marks up on the rubber. This running for her life occurred like I said out of the blue at a random time on a random day even with consistent handling and routine. Her eyes changed to total fear, her head went up and I knew she had flipped into what I called her episodes. Some of her episodes included running at high speed like she was being chased and launching over fences, on two occasions she hit solid gates once flipping over and hitting ground and another smashing in and falling down. Incredibly sustaining minor injuries though horrific to witness. It got to a point where I could not let her off leadrope at the gate as she would jump like she was jumping out of a barrier at the races the minute i released the clip and run at breakneck speed (She was an X racehorse). I had heard some thoroughbreds were cattle prodded on farms to teach them to lunge out of barriers when the gate opens creating phychological programing and fear to do it at the race track.This led me to leading her down to the herd with her running circles around me while I was flicking the 12 foot rope to keep her out of my zone so she didn't go over me. She passed from colic that she was prone too a few months back at 20. And in her older years had become chilled. I was sad for the fact that I knew her behaviours and fears were man made and that I never would know what had been done to her that was so embedded and deeply in her core. I thought that she would have probably been moved on and on and ended at a kill pen if I had not tried to do everything to work out her root issues and give her a peacefully life after what she must have endured to make her the way she could be.
What a sad story. Yet you allowed her to live in peace and protected her.❤
There are bad horses, and I do believe a lot of the problems are man-made! I had one for several years! I kept trying to give her time and patience! She would throw a fit if you touched her. I got her to the place where I thought we were making progress, picking up her feet, grooming her and so on! Then one day she was in a mood again and I went to pick up a back foot and she literally kicked out to the side striking me near my eye on my head. At that point I was done with her. I surrendered her to a rescue that eventually euthanized her because she just wasn't safe to be around. I hated that for her, but at the same time, I knew it was inevitable!
Got my jaw kicked of by the second type.
She always took advantage if anyone did not pay enough attention.
When she kicked me at trailerloading, she studied where i was and waited for the right moment.
Exactly when i looked down for a split second. And i wasn't even close but about 8 meters from her.
It cost me a lifetime of pain, had to have 7 h surgery and 167 stiches (screws and titanium pieces to reattache the lower jaw.)
The owner was scared of the horse but kept it.
It kicked and fractured the hindlegs of two horses the same week 😢
Ive heard guys say when someone bad mouths a Hancock... Aint you cowboy enough to ride one? Lol Easy horses are cool, but the hard won ones are the most rewarding
Lets identify the 2 types of bad minds. 1 Fear and love sickness 2 Mean. All this problem is coming from an ancestor maybe 200 years ago and people kept thinking they could fix it.. It can't be fixed. If you are lucky enough to identify the horse it is coming from you can stay away from that horse in the pedigree of any other horses you get. Identifying that horse is the problem . People want to keep their bad horses a secret. I was lucky enough to get some truth in my breed magazine of horses of both kinds of problems from completely different nationalities. I have had perfect minded horses that never bucked and I could rope 500 lb calves and drag then to the truck with only a few weeks starting on a very young horse. Bottom line: it's all genetic. The main problem is that the people making the breeding decisions are sitting in an office and never handle the horses.
Absolutely mesmerized with your story-telling. I love hearing about horses, good, bad, everything. Their relationship with humans is deep and vast. Thank you!
I've been riding for about 45 years now and I have been on hundreds of horses, not sure if I have made it to the thousand mark yet or not? Anyway, in that time I have experienced horses who were made bad by trauma. I actually own one right now. His trauma is workable though because it only affects one thing and if you are aware of that one thing and work around it he is fine everywhere else but that one thing will never change. He will live and die here on my ranch though as he will not be a horse I would ever put into the world as I could not guarantee how the next person would deal with/treat him. I have had only one horse in 45 years of the born bad category and it was due to oxygen deprivation during his foaling. He came out not right in the head and he was explosive and outright mean from the get go. Some days you could go in his pen and he would be the sweetest thing and the next day he would try to knock you down and stomp you to death, bite you, kick you, anything he could do to lay down the hate, he would and then five minutes later he would act like nothing happened and be back to being Mr Snuggly again. I hope I never encounter another one like that for the rest of my years.
Oxygen deprivation at. Birth. They are. Different Different
Nice to hear an experienced perspective that isn't an echo of the dogma, "No such thing as a bad horse." The description of the performance bred filly that was a hard horse reminded me of my grandfather's description of a number of mules they'd bred. Very intelligent, some of them quite difficult, but very deliberate about self preservation - observant and calculating about navigating their surrounding. They were excellent at keeping the rider and themselves safe.
I recently explored some of Temple Grandin's work where she notes predictability of mind by observation of hair whorls - the premise being these whorls develop in utero at the same time the brain develops. While her original focus was cattle, she did infer this was adaptable to horses and guided additional study. Double whorls, for example, were an indication of a complex horse, but some noted stars in competition do in fact have double whorls. I can't help but wonder what whorl(s) may have been present in these outlier horses with pathological behavior.
Thats interesting. Ive heard lots of oldtimers talk about whorls and how to tell a good horse by them.
I have an off the track thoroughbred with a double whorl, high on his forehead (the higher they are, the more "difficult" or high-strung the horse is meant to be}. He's not a bad horse at all, but he is reactive. Although he'd been raced for years and was 8 when he got him, so you'd presume he'd been exposed to a lot of sights and sounds, he still had big explosive reactions to plastic bags, spray bottles, tarps, flags etc. But he learned fast. So I'd say, if there's anything in the science of whorls, the double-whorl horse is intelligent, sensitive and reactive
Spittin’ the truth right here!👍
Thank you Mr Gailey, your insights are very enlightening, as well as entertaining, always good info.
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing your experiences & wisdom.
Had a few that were psycho and run into a few doing clinics - the mystery on those was solved once I tripped across PSSM2 variants and started doing pedigree research on those horses. To a one, they were all out of positive or carrier horses line bred back to another positive or carrier. The better bred the horse, the higher likelihood ;) if you would like an info sheet on symptoms and testing, would be pleased to send it to you. Enjoyed the video and wisdom
There's an old saying about bloodlines: when it works it's linebreeding, when it doesn't it's inbreeding.
I've owned horses, worked in different facets of horse industry for many years, different breeds, disciplines and that saying has stayed true.
Some of those linebred horses that were really good at what they were bred to do, were also "quirky". This term is what used to be said for example a roping horse that was great, but you had to lunge him 5 minutes before you got on or it was rodeo time 😂
Noting whorl patterns isn't new, we just have DNA testing available now to sometimes correlate things like pssm2 with being nuts.
Just my opinion with genetic testing available, horses that carry a gene for disease shouldn't be bred. It would wipe out those things like HYPP, herda, pssm, etc., but it won't happen due to losing money.
@@tracyjohnson5023 Amen to that - I got stung with two totally different bloodlines (one cutting, one 100% foundation) that crossed to make positive symptomatic foals. Culled them all but sadly, big bucks won't do the same. We do horses an injustice breeding for money and creating these genetic freakds that can have little quality of life
I'm 64 and have had two horses since I was 8 that were psycho. One I'm not sure about his back ground, the other we raised from birth.
I had one he was bad
I had a horse that would blow up in the stall if a human was in there with him. Long as he was eating his food it was okay but once he was done he’d throw ya around. He caught me by surprise when it first happened. I was terrified lol you’d of thought I was going in with a lion. Otherwise he was fine. I did some research and got into whorl patterns and he lined up with what they say and he had a bunch of whorls all over his body and whorlology says a horse like that will hurt you.
Mom and I raised many horses.
First time seeing you. I see your next video is on Hancock horses, and I have heard they can be tough, so I will watch that one next. YES, I have heard of bad horses. Know a mule man, does a great job with mules. Years ago he was working a horse mare in a round pen, and when he was leading her into the barn, next thing, his wife found him in the shower with his clothes on and he didn’t know how he got there, and she took him to the hospital. The mare had attacked him from behind. I asked him what he did with her, and I won’t say what exactly he said, but rest assured, she would never be given the opportunity to harm anyone else. This, IMO, was the most responsible thing to do than sell her at an auction and have her hurt/kill someone else.
Recently a young woman, who is a good hand around horses and has ridden young horses, after she and the other woman worked the two mares in a round pen before they got on. She was getting on the one that was quiet, and as she stepped on, the mare went to bucking, so she leaned forward to pop her foot out of the stirrup and drop to the ground, the mare kicked her in her femur and broke both bones. Sounds deliberate to me. The woman who had the horse sent her down the road.
I’m just a trail rider and love driving and plowing. I have had a Lippitt Morgan and have a horse mule out of a standardbred mare, he’s 16H. I’ve had him 20 years, since he was 18 months. He is my partner and goes where I ask him.
Great video (as usual). Thanks!
I know what your saying is true. But so rare.
Hi Herm, I had one who would try to hurt you every chance he got, back in the early 80"s I did try to break him for a friend as he really wanted this horse he was a very good looking 2 year-old. but any time he could kick or strike he would. I had several close calls and never did saddle him with out a wire to get the cinches etc. He bucked 14 days in a row so I TURNED HIM BACK WITH A STERN WARNING TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM.
Very informative video, Herm. Thanks for sharing your experience on this. There are some horses that are just not gonna make it in the human's world.
I follow the theory of the whorls when looking at a new horse. I swear it’s the truth. Never buy a horse with a double whorl higher than mid line between the eyes. Schizophrenic he was. Old time horse trader told me that back in the 60’s.
Take a horse from his family is trauma. Think his situation from a teenage brain. this situation started when humans took him from his home and family. He learned that fighting is the answer. He dont trust humans and thats why he dont care about them. He need someone to trust. He sound introvert. Thay dont show how stressad thay are. Really smal signals. I like Ryan Roos trainer of tousend of tousend of horses. He is good with the trama and introvert horses that people think is crazy. Relationships is everything. I think that some humans and animals can be pathological but the story about the young still sounds like trauma.
Hi Mr Gailey, i have a 1/4 horse mare 11years old, tested positive for Hypp. She has moments of brain snaps, while under saddle. Her ground manners are great and she loves to please me.Do you think the brain snaps could be part of the hypp gene she carries??
I hope to God you didn't take the first horse you were talking about to a sale or auction someone could of been killed ,,,that horse needed to be a bucking horse in the rodeo
I bought a greenish 5 y-o palomino horse that was nice to ride and handle (allegedly started by a rather famous horseman), but would inexplicably have panicky meltdowns. Once this happened when he was just standing around tied. Broke a 2×6 rail in half. I bought 2 months with a reputable trainer to restart him, trainer said he was going real good, made a date to come see the horse, day before trainer calls says never mind horse just had collosal meltdown. Don't know what ultimately happened to Kid, but not the horse for me.
What would you consider those Hancock's that stick a knife in your back..they do it on purpose..they think that crap out..are they not bad? Just asking..I understand that you like Hancock's but they are notorious for this behavior
When he mentioned Skipper W, Hancock horses came to mind. The good ones are great, but have enough stinkers in the mix to have this reputation.
The horses we raised when I was younger all had a little Hancock in their background, most were great. One or two were bad enough they went down the road but never had any that wanted to hurt you just because they wanted too. They fit into the group of horses that needed a special person, and I found if you ever got one broke right they may only be a one man horse but that man could trust him with his life. My last horse I just broke had a ton of Hancock on both sides and was a handful but not mean in any since of the word. But not a horse I would recommend for even a intermediate horseman. I ended up selling him as he is more horse that I can handle now that I'm in my 60's.
I'll take a bad horse ! Over these Bad career politicians! Free Trump from the Swamp people!