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@@JepperlyKlepperson "for security reasons" Now let me ask this; will these security reasons that you have given up your freedom over, put a complete end to the next fool from committing such an act?
CP is bad. That is the truth. However blaming and banning an entire platform is stupid because by that logic instagram, snapchat ect should all also be banned. Go after individuals not the entire system.
Yisuschrist, even when you have the news in front of you, some of you just can´t understand it right? They are not blaming the platform, they asked for collaboration, CEO said no, now he´s arrested. No other CEO qould be arrested ever, cause they are not morrons and they do collaborate when asked. Companies have their headquarters in countries, and therefor, they must follow the country rules, you don´t like it? move your company to another country. SIMPLE. This guy is not being frame for nothing, he´s an imbecile who though he would be above the EU laws and now he´s paying the price. Serves him right.
Trying to protect free speech is one thing, but there's gotta be some kind of moderation in place. There's a difference between people saying something mildly offensive and people actively committing crimes and then planning to commit them.
Idk how it works in the US but in Canada our equivalent to the constitution has something called the "Reasonable limits clause" that allows the government to limit an individuals rights and freedoms as long as they are within the interests of society. It allows the government do things like prevent people from using their freedom of expression to publicly incite violence and harassment against a protected group (Which for some reason is controversial?) while still giving people the right to challenge the government at any time when they feel that their rights have been unfairly limited. It's a flawed approach, but I think it's much better than any alternatives I can think of (Letting horrible criminals publicly announce their crimes without giving the government the ability to act on it, or not allowing citizens any freedom of expression)
@@furcornmanwiththemasterpla8380 In the US, the government's leeway is a lot smaller. Speech, even hateful speech, is protected unless said speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to incite or produce such action." For instance, as long as you speak in generalities, you could say XYZ group deserves death, as long as your speech doesn't directly lay out the means of doing so to an audience likely to follow said plan. Even then, drug smuggling and abuse are crimes, which means that even in the US coordinating those crimes isn't Free Speech.
@@furcornmanwiththemasterpla8380clear and present danger is the exception to our freedom of speech and to some degree you can be persecuted for hate speech but that is more grey clear and present danger however is very obvious a common example is yelling BOMB! In an airport that is illegal in the US.
This is like getting mad at PGP cause you can’t subpoena the messages. I will always clown on the government for trying to break end-to-end encrypted messaging apps.
The diff is that Telegram isn’t encrypted by default and actually stores a lot of information and that they’re not communicating the info they have to the authorities. Meanwhile, apps like Signal actually communicate the info they have, but they have very little of it.
-he typed on his 12 year old Google account. Mf where do you think the government actually gets its data from? Mighty weird you’re defending the pdf app specifically
@@FloofMother you understand absolutely nothing about this entire situation. i suggest refraining from making asinine comments on topic you don't understand in the future.
Authority asking for data for the sake of "children" is already a honeypot for nefarious purpose considering their terrible history at protecting kids in general.
AND PEOPLE ARE DEFENDING THEM💀💀 They are NOT doing this cuz of "protecting the children", they WANT to view other people's messages to spy on them. How people are so dumb????
Saying that criminals exist on your platform =/= facilitating crime and ergo the government should be allowed to intrude onto private services is an authoritarian excuse used by those who want your private information. This is as dumb as claiming that private highways are facilitating crime because a criminal at some point drove on it. Millions of users basically statistically guarantee bad actors; that is not an excuse to rip apart services WHOSE SOLE GIMMICK IS THAT OF PRIVACY. Telegram is no more responsible for the contents shared between it's users than a highway is for drugs smuggled by cartel through said highway. Anyone claiming that invasions of privacy are only meant for criminals are liars as if they already knew who was a criminal then they wouldn't need to invade your privacy. There will always be another website, another service, another communication protocol that criminals use the nanosecond the government compromises the last one. Never will the government actually cripple a criminal organization by killing the comms of the group. Criminals will resort to informal word of mouth if need be as they've done for centuries before and as demonstrated by Oct 7. The government only ever wants your data to sell to advertisers or to socially engineer the population
If that´s was true why hasn´t more CEO´s being trough this? Oh yeah, cause they do collaborate when asked. Your entire comment is pointless, cause like most commentors you willingly decide to ignore why he´s being arrested, it´s because he refuses to cooperate.
@@billfelps9615 Keep defending a guy that think CP is just "free speech". Def not looking like a fucking weirdo by doing so, LMAO. Fucking internet and their cell dwellers, mate, go step on some grass, get some vitamin D from the sun, meet someone... Just stop whatever internet rabiithole lead you to be like that and try to recover happiness. Return to being a human being, not a walking meme.
Better suggestion, instead of acting like a publisher and censoring people like a tyrant, let them post whatever and when it breaks the law, quarantine the evidence so the prosecutor can use it in court for a conviction. Then we can hold everyone accountable, not just the people breaking the law but the "platforms" and the governments.
Here's an idea, why not instead of going after the CEO, go after the person you think is posting the Captain Picard, drugs, and money laundering. Its not rocket science.
Yeah. If they dont know who specifically is using it for nefarious purposes, that means theyre asking for him to give them a backdoor to just straight up spy on telegram users. It harms everyone. It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.
That´s what they wanted to do, but the CEO didn´t help them, HENCE, now they go after him. Next time maybe check the full news before posting a stupid comment.
Free speech is always gonne be a very contentious issue. Basically if we can say anything then we can there are no reprecussions for being offensive, cruel, hateful. If we cant say anything there are no unique opinions, no independent thinking, no criticism. We clearly need to come to a middle ground where you get all the the pros without the cons but everyone feels a little different on how much freedom vs restriction they feel is right. In other words, no matter how much or how little free speech we have, most people will never be contempt with it. Personally I think we should have few restrictions, let people say awful things and let them deal with the consequences whether legally or socially. Let us have opinions without allowing hatred to be consquence free.
The absolute freedom is a permissivness. And the permissivness is the lack of boundaries. Guess what happens when there is no bounds, neither moral nor physical.
So if I do a droog deal in a pub the pub owner should be taken to court and charged because he can't cough up my details. It's his fault for providing a service that cannot identify and track me. Righty-oh then.
@@anticlickbait GoodbyeDPI does the job. blocks your ISP from seeing incoming and outgoing traffic data, all they know is that there's packets going in and out, not the content of them
There are literally youtubers who make a living out of saying “water is wet” lmao But maybe it’s his edgelord 4chan type fan base which makes him think he is actually brave and contrarian by saying this
Telegram does go after groups that are posting illegal material on their app. They always report them but the thing is, there is always going to be more of them as this is a popular app due to the fact that you do not have to worry about censorship. Many journalists are able to report on things such as war crimes and corruption thanks to it. The creator left Russia and the US because the governments wanted total access.
ngl this single incident kinda surprised me by showing me how little people actually know about stuff like encryption and how their daily technologies work. A backdoor will always be used by the gov to spy on people like normal people not necessarily criminals coz its already exists; there is no need for a warrant. once encryption is broken for 1 person its broken for everyone its can never be "only broken for one person" that's not how algorithms works A backdoor once created can now be used by everyone, hackers, state sponsored attacked (china, Russia, north korea you name them) Its like leaving your front door open you expect thiefs to care about you ?, yeah that's foolish good luck with that.
its mianly bots that spam cheese pizza in public group chats as far as I know, to keep that from happening, just dont get your telegram group hijacked and if you quit telegram then delete the groups you created as well lol.
WTF are you even talking? Why would a bot spam something illegal for no reason unless it was programmed or trained to do so? Why would a bot interact with material that is not publicly available? DO you even understand what a bot is?
Remember when they said that WhatsApp announced that they'll add ads on their app and everyone installed Telegram if it happened? Well I forgot about too and seeing it today, that expectation died IN 2022.
I can understand why telegram wouldn't leak its own information but there's also a good chance that telegram is encrypted and that thewy cant give info. i do hope all criminals in this case are properly taken into custody and given sentencing.
the gov wants the easy way of doing things, that's essentially invading the privacy of everyone coz they do not respect individuals' rights of freedom and privacy. never and i mean never trust your gov to do the thing that's beneficial for you, coz everytime we concede our rights to them never expect to get them back ever again, and slowly you will be part of an authoritarian regime.
Maybe they should also, you know, look into other platforms doing the exact same thing. Maybe the whole of the Internet in general? Where does it stop?
There's a lot I could say here but I won't, since I and other telegram users KNOW why this is the service we use it for what we use it for lmao. I will say I agree that specifically in the case of crimes which put children or young adults in danger (such as CP) the company should be obliged to provide information on the distributors
@@Dylius01and if they were to do something about it, it would be by giving governments backdoors to spy on people... which would ruin the primary reason people use signal
They should just make signal create a department to fix it themselves, and either give them a budget to find them or reward them for finding them or fine them if they don't hit a monthly quota of catches
I think clearly everything they were trying to track down is very bad and there is a world where you feel like he should’ve given up the information they wanted. But I think that he also had a responsibility to his platform and the people who use it. Online privacy is a huge thing for a lot of people, if he betrayed their trust it would be the end of his platform and his reputation. Additionally where does it stop, if he said OK to giving them this information, what else would they have asked for? How far would it have gone?
It definitely doesn't have anything to do with free speech, but it may have to do with the law exempting Internet companies from being responsible for the behavior of their users
Telegram is a platform to have private chats, why would the government want to know their private message? If this logic is applied, Discord, Facebook,... is banned
@@ungreatfulduck750 he is gonna miss the privacy of telegram. One billion active users will GUARANTEE a lot of bad apples. It is the same thing as "Let's arrest the person who invented highways because criminals use highways to escape"
I believe telegram should look into it themselves and then report to the police if they find said crime, result being the bad actors getting locked up without the government forcibly breaking into people's private spaces? (This all only works if the company themselves isn't criminal)
GO to a public place and tell everyone your wacko conspiracy. YOu will get your answer when everyone laughs in your face. Seriously mate, go step on some real grass.
All of the pdfs crying in the comments aren’t slick. If you were actually into privacy, you wouldn’t be on the internet to begin with, but you guys can’t get off the internet because the thing you like is on here, so now you have to cry when your favorite CP purveyor gets shut down because “muh privacy” as if the government is gonna do anything with your data unless you’re actively committing a crime
that should be a crime tf how can a messaging service be allowed not to cooperate with the government especially in a case where cp is allegedly being distributed
Oh because goverment is good and never want to control you. How many terrorist attack stopped by taking shoes on airport? Is about controlling not safety
@@sladewilson8241 bro big government is not asking you to take your shoes off at the airport just to mess with you 😭making em sound like high school bullies what is this yappery
@@sladewilson8241 how is telegram different from any other crime scene? If authorities have a warrant or probable cause then they are allowed to investigate, and if you don't let them in or tamper with the crime scene, that in and of itself is a crime.
Honestly? Free speech means nothing when CRIMINALS USE THAT POWER TO HARM! yes it is their right But thats why you have to cooperate with authorities You gave them their right to speak Now You must deal them their consequences of harming with their words
@@aregulargenericname8794 Uhh not if he was TRYING TO HARM WITH PEOPLE! you say that but i know how this story ends Heck its a common story in the omniverse Someone abuses their power and turns people into their own personal army It works both ways you know?
Bro, "It's against my free speech" has become so watered down it's just some half-hearted buzzword that means nothing. Everyone knows if you say you'll commit a crime on a website and make plans, it's probably a good idea for authorities to step in.
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Forcing info to be given to the authorities
Pros: Stop stuff like this happening
Cons: Bad actors
for security we have to give up our freedoms its sad tbh, im not sure which i'd rather have at the end of the day
I'll never trust humans to not abuse a system.
@@JepperlyKlepperson
"for security reasons"
Now let me ask this;
will these security reasons that you have given up your freedom over, put a complete end to the next fool from committing such an act?
@@JepperlyKlepperson id rather give up some of my freedom so i can keep the rest of it
Stopping major crimes is okay but just straight up censorship is a big no-no.
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CP is bad. That is the truth.
However blaming and banning an entire platform is stupid because by that logic instagram, snapchat ect should all also be banned.
Go after individuals not the entire system.
Yeah people will just move to the next platform. Also how is it the CEOs criminal issue.
No one wants to ban telegram wtf?? Just to implement content moderation
Insta snapchat etc doesn't have 8 layers of encryption
Yisuschrist, even when you have the news in front of you, some of you just can´t understand it right? They are not blaming the platform, they asked for collaboration, CEO said no, now he´s arrested. No other CEO qould be arrested ever, cause they are not morrons and they do collaborate when asked. Companies have their headquarters in countries, and therefor, they must follow the country rules, you don´t like it? move your company to another country. SIMPLE. This guy is not being frame for nothing, he´s an imbecile who though he would be above the EU laws and now he´s paying the price. Serves him right.
but the problem is that they refused to allow the gov access which is bad
Trying to protect free speech is one thing, but there's gotta be some kind of moderation in place. There's a difference between people saying something mildly offensive and people actively committing crimes and then planning to commit them.
Idk how it works in the US but in Canada our equivalent to the constitution has something called the "Reasonable limits clause" that allows the government to limit an individuals rights and freedoms as long as they are within the interests of society.
It allows the government do things like prevent people from using their freedom of expression to publicly incite violence and harassment against a protected group (Which for some reason is controversial?) while still giving people the right to challenge the government at any time when they feel that their rights have been unfairly limited.
It's a flawed approach, but I think it's much better than any alternatives I can think of (Letting horrible criminals publicly announce their crimes without giving the government the ability to act on it, or not allowing citizens any freedom of expression)
@@furcornmanwiththemasterpla8380 In the US, the government's leeway is a lot smaller. Speech, even hateful speech, is protected unless said speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to incite or produce such action." For instance, as long as you speak in generalities, you could say XYZ group deserves death, as long as your speech doesn't directly lay out the means of doing so to an audience likely to follow said plan.
Even then, drug smuggling and abuse are crimes, which means that even in the US coordinating those crimes isn't Free Speech.
Either it’s all ok, or none of it’s ok.
@@paganofthenorth448that is such a bad take. This is not an all or nothing situation 🙄🙄🙄
@@furcornmanwiththemasterpla8380clear and present danger is the exception to our freedom of speech and to some degree you can be persecuted for hate speech but that is more grey clear and present danger however is very obvious a common example is yelling BOMB! In an airport that is illegal in the US.
This is like getting mad at PGP cause you can’t subpoena the messages. I will always clown on the government for trying to break end-to-end encrypted messaging apps.
The diff is that Telegram isn’t encrypted by default and actually stores a lot of information and that they’re not communicating the info they have to the authorities. Meanwhile, apps like Signal actually communicate the info they have, but they have very little of it.
Epstein hands typed this
-he typed on his 12 year old Google account. Mf where do you think the government actually gets its data from? Mighty weird you’re defending the pdf app specifically
@@FloofMother you understand absolutely nothing about this entire situation. i suggest refraining from making asinine comments on topic you don't understand in the future.
@@justsomecommentchannel8602so sigma
Authority asking for data for the sake of "children" is already a honeypot for nefarious purpose considering their terrible history at protecting kids in general.
AND PEOPLE ARE DEFENDING THEM💀💀 They are NOT doing this cuz of "protecting the children", they WANT to view other people's messages to spy on them. How people are so dumb????
Whoever thinks Asmongold was smart, just leave them
I thought my room was messy, then I saw his room.
@@kage9426 +1
Or governments can do their actual funking jobs and investigate those criminals, instead of forcing devs to give full access to all users.
that is the reason they arrested him, cp and allat is just cover-up
@@SomeOne-ph1gw the hypocripsy when they allow fb and insta etc with cp and all things they arrested him for but not zuck
@@NoWastedPotential yep
Imagine trusting the french government
Just look at how loved they are by everyone ❤ 😊 not a single person hates france
i suddenly realised i dont care about any of this
Realest thing ever said in existence
Yeah, like it ain't affecting me irl, so why bother anymore? Curiosity, that's it really.
@@Mazher94it affects me since I use the app D:
@@sirllamaiii9708 well...shit
@@sirllamaiii9708 same
Man, this planet is getting crazy. Can we stop?
Not sure if we can anymore, the world is to fucked up to do anything to slow or stop this
If we stop we die.
STOP THE WORLD, I WANNA GET OFF!
We didn’t start the fire
Can we all like go lay on a beach or something
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Also if a space was made to be private it should probably stay private. But on another end, better safe than sorry...
If theres reasonable suspicion of a crime then that private space is no longer private
The CP being shared on there kinda ruins that.
@@WadeAlma yeah, DEFINITELY because of CP. Be real, they wanna spy on people using telegram, every other service allowed them to do so.
Saying that criminals exist on your platform =/= facilitating crime and ergo the government should be allowed to intrude onto private services is an authoritarian excuse used by those who want your private information.
This is as dumb as claiming that private highways are facilitating crime because a criminal at some point drove on it. Millions of users basically statistically guarantee bad actors; that is not an excuse to rip apart services WHOSE SOLE GIMMICK IS THAT OF PRIVACY.
Telegram is no more responsible for the contents shared between it's users than a highway is for drugs smuggled by cartel through said highway.
Anyone claiming that invasions of privacy are only meant for criminals are liars as if they already knew who was a criminal then they wouldn't need to invade your privacy.
There will always be another website, another service, another communication protocol that criminals use the nanosecond the government compromises the last one. Never will the government actually cripple a criminal organization by killing the comms of the group. Criminals will resort to informal word of mouth if need be as they've done for centuries before and as demonstrated by Oct 7.
The government only ever wants your data to sell to advertisers or to socially engineer the population
If that´s was true why hasn´t more CEO´s being trough this? Oh yeah, cause they do collaborate when asked. Your entire comment is pointless, cause like most commentors you willingly decide to ignore why he´s being arrested, it´s because he refuses to cooperate.
FINALLY, a comment with more that 10 iq
@@ungreatfulduck750 You do realize Apple dealt with this too right
@@billfelps9615 Keep defending a guy that think CP is just "free speech". Def not looking like a fucking weirdo by doing so, LMAO. Fucking internet and their cell dwellers, mate, go step on some grass, get some vitamin D from the sun, meet someone... Just stop whatever internet rabiithole lead you to be like that and try to recover happiness. Return to being a human being, not a walking meme.
@@ungreatfulduck750 Well, by that logic, that means your comment is also pointless.
Better suggestion, instead of acting like a publisher and censoring people like a tyrant, let them post whatever and when it breaks the law, quarantine the evidence so the prosecutor can use it in court for a conviction. Then we can hold everyone accountable, not just the people breaking the law but the "platforms" and the governments.
Here's an idea, why not instead of going after the CEO, go after the person you think is posting the Captain Picard, drugs, and money laundering. Its not rocket science.
Yeah. If they dont know who specifically is using it for nefarious purposes, that means theyre asking for him to give them a backdoor to just straight up spy on telegram users. It harms everyone. It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.
Silly that you think the governments actually care about who's guilty of whatever. It's all a power move.
Dude, literally that's the point. They can't go after Cheese Pizza enthusiast on thelegram because Telegram don't want to give the data to the gov
That´s what they wanted to do, but the CEO didn´t help them, HENCE, now they go after him. Next time maybe check the full news before posting a stupid comment.
They are too lazy to do so and it would take them 10year to catch 1 guy lol, The gov only want to put him in jail and take his money
Isn't that the guy who hates drinking water?
If you think a messaging app is responsible for what its users post on it, logically you should apply the same standard to postmen
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But postmen check for bombs and shit all the time?
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@@seasn5553 i think that you are the one with a single braincell here
Free speech is always gonne be a very contentious issue.
Basically if we can say anything then we can there are no reprecussions for being offensive, cruel, hateful. If we cant say anything there are no unique opinions, no independent thinking, no criticism.
We clearly need to come to a middle ground where you get all the the pros without the cons but everyone feels a little different on how much freedom vs restriction they feel is right.
In other words, no matter how much or how little free speech we have, most people will never be contempt with it.
Personally I think we should have few restrictions, let people say awful things and let them deal with the consequences whether legally or socially. Let us have opinions without allowing hatred to be consquence free.
The absolute freedom is a permissivness. And the permissivness is the lack of boundaries. Guess what happens when there is no bounds, neither moral nor physical.
@@ivanych6231 let me guess? skibodi toilet fornite montage.mp3? Your comment makes no sense so neither should mine
So if I do a droog deal in a pub the pub owner should be taken to court and charged because he can't cough up my details. It's his fault for providing a service that cannot identify and track me. Righty-oh then.
No I dont want them to spy on me
Bro, you use youtube xDDD and being like "I don't want the pesky government to spy on me" xD
@@anticlickbait GoodbyeDPI does the job. blocks your ISP from seeing incoming and outgoing traffic data, all they know is that there's packets going in and out, not the content of them
He says when they already could spy on you with your phone and SSN
There are literally youtubers who make a living out of saying “water is wet” lmao
But maybe it’s his edgelord 4chan type fan base which makes him think he is actually brave and contrarian by saying this
which youtubers
@@ssssnnnnzzzz "Bad movie was bad"-critikal
"Bad woke game was bad"-Asmong
His fans are kids who don’t want to think for themselves.
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@@MammalianCreature Concord moment
Telegram does go after groups that are posting illegal material on their app. They always report them but the thing is, there is always going to be more of them as this is a popular app due to the fact that you do not have to worry about censorship. Many journalists are able to report on things such as war crimes and corruption thanks to it.
The creator left Russia and the US because the governments wanted total access.
ngl this single incident kinda surprised me by showing me how little people actually know about stuff like encryption and how their daily technologies work.
A backdoor will always be used by the gov to spy on people like normal people not necessarily criminals coz its already exists; there is no need for a warrant.
once encryption is broken for 1 person its broken for everyone its can never be "only broken for one person" that's not how algorithms works
A backdoor once created can now be used by everyone, hackers, state sponsored attacked (china, Russia, north korea you name them) Its like leaving your front door open you expect thiefs to care about you ?, yeah that's foolish good luck with that.
Don't forget the FBI spying on gamers now
He was arrested in Europe not in the US btw
@@reptileloverreptile-vt6fd I don't think "gamers" can tell the difference
Ok, and? What are they gonna do? Play pretend?
@@NobodyAsked-xh8cs no their spying on us to extremist stuff
its mianly bots that spam cheese pizza in public group chats as far as I know, to keep that from happening, just dont get your telegram group hijacked and if you quit telegram then delete the groups you created as well lol.
Plus, the authorities will just take the CP and add it to their collection. They've prob got yottabytes of that shit, its useful to plant.
what.
WTF are you even talking? Why would a bot spam something illegal for no reason unless it was programmed or trained to do so? Why would a bot interact with material that is not publicly available? DO you even understand what a bot is?
The political debait is should platforms have to get access to user info when asked.
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"bad thing is bad"
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Remember when they said that WhatsApp announced that they'll add ads on their app and everyone installed Telegram if it happened?
Well I forgot about too and seeing it today, that expectation died IN 2022.
I can understand why telegram wouldn't leak its own information but there's also a good chance that telegram is encrypted and that thewy cant give info. i do hope all criminals in this case are properly taken into custody and given sentencing.
the gov wants the easy way of doing things, that's essentially invading the privacy of everyone coz they do not respect individuals' rights of freedom and privacy.
never and i mean never trust your gov to do the thing that's beneficial for you, coz everytime we concede our rights to them never expect to get them back ever again, and slowly you will be part of an authoritarian regime.
Telegram did used to give info and data to the russian gov in the past so I don't think that's the issue 💀
@@ChilliConKaren They did not cooperate. And Russian government uses Telegram too btw
@@anticlickbait realistically the govement should just get a warrant for it simple as is
It's amazing how little I care about this guys opinion whether I agree with it or not.
Wasn't the guy arrested because he refused to turn over a politicians data to another party?
Telegram is protecting nazis and the islamic state lmao
Nope
That's only speculation. I don't think there is a specific case that got his arrested at least they haven't mentioned specifics
No, not really, but you're close. They just want to spy on people, and telegram refused
Maybe they should also, you know, look into other platforms doing the exact same thing. Maybe the whole of the Internet in general? Where does it stop?
Except the rest of platform do collaborate.
I just wonder how signal gets a pass, but telegram doesn't. Considering signal is way more secure and private and criminals probably use it more
How tf does someone see people trying to stop the distribution of cp and thinks "yeah this is a threat to free speech"
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There's a lot I could say here but I won't, since I and other telegram users KNOW why this is the service we use it for what we use it for lmao. I will say I agree that specifically in the case of crimes which put children or young adults in danger (such as CP) the company should be obliged to provide information on the distributors
If it's truly end to end encrypted it should not be possible for the company to do this
@@Dylius01and if they were to do something about it, it would be by giving governments backdoors to spy on people... which would ruin the primary reason people use signal
@@melchizedek-v4nmaybe he could regulate it what he didn’t at all
"since I and other users KNOW why this is the service we use it for"
white nationalist or chronic gooner
They should just make signal create a department to fix it themselves, and either give them a budget to find them or reward them for finding them or fine them if they don't hit a monthly quota of catches
I think clearly everything they were trying to track down is very bad and there is a world where you feel like he should’ve given up the information they wanted. But I think that he also had a responsibility to his platform and the people who use it. Online privacy is a huge thing for a lot of people, if he betrayed their trust it would be the end of his platform and his reputation. Additionally where does it stop, if he said OK to giving them this information, what else would they have asked for? How far would it have gone?
Everyone will eventually get chadcatted
Even quicker ADHD version: "It is now illegal to have a private conversation on the internet."
asmongold with the black and white basement brain who doesnt process the whole situation
It definitely doesn't have anything to do with free speech, but it may have to do with the law exempting Internet companies from being responsible for the behavior of their users
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Telegram is a platform to have private chats, why would the government want to know their private message?
If this logic is applied, Discord, Facebook,... is banned
Because in discord you can actually report violent content. Also discord can help feds to catch murderers. See the difference?
@@xiv69 "help catch" my ass
If this keeps going I'll just start reading books and go offline completely
Why? YOu gonna miss CP on telegram? WTF is your comment even trying to say?
@@ungreatfulduck750 he is gonna miss the privacy of telegram. One billion active users will GUARANTEE a lot of bad apples. It is the same thing as "Let's arrest the person who invented highways because criminals use highways to escape"
And then are you gonna quit books because there are books that have smut or their political?
FYI, the RFSB wanted durov to hand over personal data of Ukrainians after the Euromaidan/Revolution of Dignity back in 2014.
Blaming the creator of a service because your customers are making a misuse of it is just peak monke brain homamity💩
Can you do Mutahar's "Our Privacy Is In Serious Danger By The Government Right Now..."?
Wow thats crazy.
you should change the format to just flash single words on the screen since humans can read 600 wpm+ if they dont have to move their eyes
i thought only roblox protected predators tbh
I believe telegram should look into it themselves and then report to the police if they find said crime, result being the bad actors getting locked up without the government forcibly breaking into people's private spaces? (This all only works if the company themselves isn't criminal)
Thanks for the recap
spreading obscene material like that is not protected by free speech so I think its fair for gov to ask for it
thankfully the Chad is here to skip the yapping for us!
The GOAT
asmongold's face still creeps me the fuck out
How am I not surprised honestly?
If your sheilding kendrick lamar enemies in any way you should automatically lose all rights to litterally anything
First good take asmoncoomer ever had I'm happy for him
Asmons bedroom should be a crime
chad cat being a chad as always
Chadcat, please do Jaidens Mr Beast video and my life is yours
I only watch asmon for his editors and the latest drama. His views on the other hand are either simple or stupid.
Can you do “Michael says prime numbers for 3 hours” by D!NG please?? Much love ❤️
Can you do CG5's Adressing The Rumors next?
I actually agree with him
bad actors could very well be intelligent officers told to run ops in the platform just to create a reson to create this mess
GO to a public place and tell everyone your wacko conspiracy. YOu will get your answer when everyone laughs in your face. Seriously mate, go step on some real grass.
OKAY ILL DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!
OKAY ILL DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!
Hi chadcat it's me again
All of the pdfs crying in the comments aren’t slick. If you were actually into privacy, you wouldn’t be on the internet to begin with, but you guys can’t get off the internet because the thing you like is on here, so now you have to cry when your favorite CP purveyor gets shut down because “muh privacy” as if the government is gonna do anything with your data unless you’re actively committing a crime
meow
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@@RichieBre :3
Real
Do Howieazy 5 Million Subscriber Video
that should be a crime tf how can a messaging service be allowed not to cooperate with the government especially in a case where cp is allegedly being distributed
Oh because goverment is good and never want to control you. How many terrorist attack stopped by taking shoes on airport? Is about controlling not safety
Is not allowed as much as literally can't due to not having anything
you will cooperate with us. do not resist.
@@sladewilson8241 bro big government is not asking you to take your shoes off at the airport just to mess with you 😭making em sound like high school bullies what is this yappery
@@sladewilson8241 how is telegram different from any other crime scene? If authorities have a warrant or probable cause then they are allowed to investigate, and if you don't let them in or tamper with the crime scene, that in and of itself is a crime.
It is a threat to freedom of speech and your summary was unfairly biased
Meow.
Day 21 of asking you to do mrtlexify’s video “my ex”
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Famous WoW player gives political opinion.
Honestly? Free speech means nothing when CRIMINALS USE THAT POWER TO HARM!
yes it is their right
But thats why you have to cooperate with authorities
You gave them their right to speak
Now You must deal them their consequences of harming with their words
Piss off, free speech is for everyone, even for criminals, your logic is beyond flawed
Would you arrest a postman for delivering mail?
@@aregulargenericname8794 Uhh not if he was TRYING TO HARM WITH PEOPLE!
you say that but i know how this story ends
Heck its a common story in the omniverse
Someone abuses their power and turns people into their own personal army
It works both ways you know?
@@seantaggart7382 telegram just delivers the mail, like a postman, how dense are you?
@@seantaggart7382 Also what trying to ""harm people"" and imagine trying to say he's building a "army"
What the fck?!?!?
chatcad
Rare Asmongold W, i agree that mainly becaude distributing sudh materiak is horrifying that is possible and allowed on such platform
Huh
Bro, "It's against my free speech" has become so watered down it's just some half-hearted buzzword that means nothing. Everyone knows if you say you'll commit a crime on a website and make plans, it's probably a good idea for authorities to step in.
He wasn’t even arrested in America so he has 1st amendment right where he was
😮😮😮😮 crime
Meow
L take
antiyappotron?
End to end encryption is a fundamental human right of privacy
I can't believe Asmongold has an actual GOOD take
SHIT take
19 seconds
Criminalizing end to end encryption is wild. What's next? Signal?
That's not why they actually arrested him is it now.
The worst person you know makes a great point
It's not "free speech" at that point, it's a confession