Another thing to consider when sharing tunes, is that not all tunes work for everybody. A proper setup targets the best situation for the drivers ability and style.
I think it all bottles down to preventing under- or oversteer, traction and braking performance. The problem however is that GT7 hasn’t modeled out all the details of that to the point that it is realistic so I think people use the maximised options of the settings to force a certain effect on the handling of the car.
Are people willing to share good setups to others. And not just keep it to there selfs or there other fast mates. Theres gone be a huge gap. I dont have connections. I csn look up tunes but do i ever get the tunes ? Or just a ripoff that doesnt compare with the best. There wil stil be that gap. TT is gone be harder and harder because i would never gone make it anymore to a good result
@@tonyvandijk2008 My go-to has been Praiano's tunes, but, as you mentioned, one can only get so prescriptive as one setup may not work as effectively on certain courses. As I understand it, he's pretty much the "man" and will build you a tune for money. I haven't gone that route yet, because I'm cheap, but using it as a baseline has certainly improved lap times significantly in some cases.
I can see a ‘Tuning School’ being an option, as long as they don’t make it mandatory (like licensing). Those that want to can, while those that want to keep it casual won’t have to.
I better see SUPER GT in the next couple races you do. It’s only right as he gave you a shoutout a couple hours ago in the group 3 races lol. Just very cool to see 2 RUclipsrs you admire get matched up in this rare opportunity of racing together
YES! You put all my thoughts onto this video! I work and have a 1 year old baby. I also just bought a wheel and sim rig but I can barely get on and now I have to find the right tune which takes up an hour and by then, it's too late or I'm too tired to race now.
Race the next day, I've stopped trying to do what I want in games in one session and go with the idea of "what I can get done in this session is what imma do. I'll continue next time."
@@sergioh2015 its the same thing. like Rory said. the tune doesn't save so every time you wanna pick a different car, its back to tuning it test driving it.
I love that idea of a tuning tutorial. They could add another point on the map called Tune School or something and even add extra Cafe Menu Books where you have to tune cars a certain way to be competitive as a way to get players used to it. I think they could also have default tunes that we can apply, kinda like in ACC with aggressive vs safe setups. At the end of the day, it's as you said, lotsa people view GT7 as plug n play & that's what makes it attractive so hopefully they add loads of quality of life updates so this doesn't just turn into another thing to have to figure out.
I don't have the time to experiment and become an expert tuner, so I go to the GT Planet forums. I found a tuner who's tunes suit my driving style/ability. Praiano is my go to guy.
I use his tunes too. He knows how to tune a car without neutering the oversteer. Most tuners try to turn everything into a GT-R on rails, because it's usually faster that way.
He's been a gun from GT5 days for producing good tunes. There was a spreadsheet that he created back in the day that would allow you to plug a few variables in and it would generate a good base tune to start from.
I think the iRacing approach in some series is really good. For example, in the F3, F4, NASCAR Cup or Porsche Cup you have one race per hour. Fixed series at even hours, Open series at odd hours, iRacing even provides advanced setups for specific circuits in the Open series that are more than enough for 99% of the drivers, but anyway, you always have many Fixed options at any time. I don't understand how Gran Turismo, 7 years after the release of GT Sport, only has 3 regular races, the matchmaking works really good, I highly doubt that there are not enough players to offer 5 daily races and provide more variety in every aspect of the game, including Fixed and Open series.
I have never used iRacing, but I would fully support that format. I personally love the “pick up and play” aspect of GT7 where I know I can be competitive in the daily races without needing to put too much effort in apart from learning the car and track combo. I am sure there are many very simple things that you can do set up wise that would make a world of a difference but having hosted open racing leagues on PC2 some years ago, putting time into testing setups is a big commitment and like Rory says only really widens the skill gap. I’m currently loving Daily Race A in the karts at Brands Indy. Single make car, no tuning, everything is equal and it’s down to the skill of the driver to be clean, quick and consistent in order to win.
Easy solution: Include the setup in the replay. i.e. when looking at the world record lap or the winner POV of your previous race, you can see exactly what their setup is. Some racing games already do this.
Gran Turismo has never been like this, and some people simply do not like sharing their setups, so that isn't fair to them. On top of that, one single setup will not always suit a certain driver. Everyone has a different driving style. The best thing to do would be to find an online resource like GT Planet, and try to find a good base setup there. Spend a few minutes to tweak things here and there(meaning you will have to learn the basics of tuning, which isn't all too bad) to suit your driving style.
I come from the real world side of building cars and having to learn the various aspects of engine, suspension and chassis tuning. I personally love having the ability to tune certain features and wish they would implement one more aspect; alignment. With that said, I do see this from both sides of the spectrum and feel where the real issue is how PD implements it. I personally feel they should add another gr3/gr4 type race. They could do two no tune races and one tune race and then the next week, flip it so that it's always rotating allowing people to have the option of what they want to race and how. I agree there should be training or maybe they could have a few preset tunes in a drop down menu so that you can quickly find one that fits your driving style. And this is what tuning is all about, finding something that suits your driving style for a given track. BOP is still needed regardless though they have some cars that don't fit with the current BOP standards and tuning allows those cars to be pushed even harder. So if PD we're to even out the difference in certain cars, tuning would actually work the way it should
Totally agree. No need for tuning as long as everyone has to compete with an even chance. Very few people would enjoy bowling if each person could have their own oil setup.
The Setup stuff in daylies is a cry out for more series than just the ones we know. An endurance Series with 60min+ would bei good with Setup, I think. Get Well!
Your views on this are spot on. The idea of Menu Books to “teach” tuning or setups is great. I don’t know much about tuning. So I would definitely be at a disadvantage. Sure, I could learn but time isn’t always there to go through that process. I want to get in my rig and enjoy racing. I don’t win much but that’s ok for me. I just enjoy it. But…if tuning becomes a larger part of this and last place is all I ever will achieve, then the fun certainly will be taken away. Great video! Cheers!!
For people not familiar with tuning follow this. Gr3: put the initial torque and acceleration down between 5-10. This will make it easier to handle higher powered cars around corners much easier and you should be able to keep TC at zero. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45. Gr4: when bop puts your car sub 400hp, you can run a pretty high initial torque and acceleration while keeping your car stable through turns. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45 as well. Gr4 & Gr3: +2 (rear bias) on the brake controller to help with oversteer. If you find the backend of your car snaps out under heavy breaking, in crease the rear expansion dampening (not compression) This will help shift the weight forward making the backend more stable. This should help most newer people to sport mode and for those that don't have the time to experiment with different settings.
That's simply not Gran Turismo, though, and PD have never taken that approach. Guys should be rewarded for a having setup knowledge as well, because that is a craft in itself. It's like the engineers being rewarded in race for providing the optimal setup to a racing driver. Sometimes it takes hours upon hours of getting everything right. Tuning has always been a factor in Gran Turismo, but it died down quite a lot when GT Sport showed up. Though this is true, there should ALWAYS be race where there is BOP and default setup for guys that just don't have the time to go about tinkering around with the suspension. Gran Turismo has always been prominent on tuning and such, but it has also always been prominent in pick-up-and-playability.
Dailing a car in, is one of the most fun parts of racing. Getting a setup right is soooooo satisfying. I'm just getting into GT and the tuining options and format isn't the best, but you can still drastically change a car with tweaks. I do belive they should have lobbies with tunes vs stock setups to help ease people in.
agree with you 100% rory. I only get an hour or 2 to play most days if im lucky, and last thing i want to do is to keep looking up the setup when i realise im 2 seconds a lap slower because i need to tune.
For people not familiar with tuning follow this. Gr3: put the initial torque and acceleration down between 5-10. This will make it easier to handle higher powered cars around corners much easier and you should be able to keep TC at zero. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45. Gr4: when bop puts your car sub 400hp, you can run a pretty high initial torque and acceleration while keeping your car stable through turns. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45 as well. Gr4 & Gr3: +2 (rear bias) on the brake controller to help with oversteer. If you find the backend of your car snaps out under heavy breaking, in crease the rear expansion dampening (not compression) This will help shift the weight forward making the backend more stable. This should help most newer people to sport mode and for those that don't have the time to experiment with different settings.
I stuck a tune onto a Mazda3 that I got from your discord and was over a second quicker today than I was yesterday, which meant I had 4 competitive races this afternoon. However, I’m lucky that your community have added tunes to discord as I’d never be able to work out what I was doing otherwise! I like the idea of tweaking via a tune but not every race in a week and not every week either - add a daily race d and then rotate across b, c and d ….
You have 100% agree!! We work a lot, not have much Time for tuning…and very fustrating how every time We need write the actually setup, because don’t can save it…i very sad for this week how not have a lot of time for practice for tuning setup! But big big help your screen shot setup!!
For people not familiar with tuning follow this. Gr3: put the initial torque and acceleration down between 5-10. This will make it easier to handle higher powered cars around corners much easier and you should be able to keep TC at zero. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45. Gr4: when bop puts your car sub 400hp, you can run a pretty high initial torque and acceleration while keeping your car stable through turns. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45 as well. Gr4 & Gr3: +2 (rear bias) on the brake controller to help with oversteer. If you find the backend of your car snaps out under heavy breaking, in crease the rear expansion dampening (not compression) This will help shift the weight forward making the backend more stable. This should help most newer people to sport mode and for those that don't have the time to experiment with different settings.
I play with controller, on automatic, I very rarely ever tune. With this approach, almost everything in the game has been completely fine. I have gold on all normal licences and most circuit experiences. I've done 50 sport races and won once. This 2% win rate is somewhat expected given my skill level and setup, so I have fun just trying to improve over my qualifying position. Tuning makes me complete avoid the daily races. I think the option should still be there, but I really feel as if only 1 out of the 3 races should allow it. The idea for preset tuning setup is great, something like that would make me much more keen to give it a go
I can appreciate the rationale of the argument being made here. I feel that people not learning how to tune is primarily a handicap of many of the ultra competitive Sport players who never took the time to try and learn to tune & focused purely on lap time and working around a cars issues. Tuning when implemented properly can elevate a driver & car combo from mediocre at best to something special when the right combo is reached IMO. BoP is ok but it really needs an active day to day update so no One car becomes too dominate to let any of the rest be able to compete.
Greetings from Canada. - I personally enjoy tuning the cars as much as driving them - You have to put in the time to be able to be competitive - I love Forza for the tuning capabilities
I wish racing online was like how games use to be,like the original grid where everyone had the same setup,racing was down to how you race not how well your car has been upgraded and tuned.its the one thing that puts me off racing online in most games as i dont have the time for tuning
I think setup is only a big problem , if you wanna use different cars. For me its easy, because i am using always the same cars in Gr3 and 4. But sometimes i wanna race with other cars, just to try and maybe find a new Meta. And then there you have a problem. Like you said. Finding a setup fpr just one car should be easy and dont take that much time. But you are right. This week i was nearly 2 sek down without the right setup.
I used to race online, trying to get a good driver rating during GT6. Due to drivers, even good drivers with multi accounts, crashing and ghosting, etc, I stopped. I would get tunes from Praiano and other tuners. Spend hours racing and tuning. I was chosen to be a Beta tester for GT6. My friend got me hooked on GT5 and I never looked back. Splitting time between GT and golf. I tried tuning myself but don’t know enough about setups so wouldn’t do well even if I wanted to race online again. I do the weekly challenges and try and make one million per day to buy what I want. I appreciate you and your unselfishness to help the GT community.
Tuning has been on the game since day one. It is part of racing. So I thing tuning should be in the daily races. Not all three, or they could have four daily races. Two tuning races and two non-tuning races. Personally each race should be different, two or three Group races and one or two speciality races. So I'm loving that tuning is a thing for online races. The more the marrier. But I understand your point so a compromise is definitely needed.
Would be cool if they'd make it so you can upload tunes to the showcase like it's a livery and you can download them onto a list to choose from on your car set up page. There can be an up vote system that would bring the most common tunes that work well to the top of the lists
For many cars, a setup fixes the instability, the developers have built into the car, in that sense it’s a godsend. I also think you should be able to adjust them during a pitstop if you want to.
I havent had the time to play GT lately, but I've played from GT2 to GT5, so I can't really comment on 6 and 7. Setup and tuning have always been a part of GT and you were able to save 3 versions per car. It also had short explanations of what did what (learning). For some races they also had BOP in the later versions. That is what took it to the next level in comparison to other racing (simulation) games, IMHO. It is part of real life racing, even within cup races. We sometimes had to write our setups down on paper and even shared our setups via email. It was really nice to find your way in that and try beat the other drivers in the same car, but with tweaked suspension, aero, etc, adjusted to your own driving style. Also there were rooms and races where you couldn't tune and some where you could, so everybody had a choice. So in summary: I hope they keep tuning in the game (with explanations), the ability to save your setups and have races where you enter with the OEM setup the car came with. Love watching your vids, keep up your always good spirit!
Fully support all your points. Particularly the need for special tutorials, as part of licenses, perhaps, and if we have them (tutorials), to make them optional.
Fantastic point Rory, on sharing tunes. It really should be a feature. I don't race online much, so never realised about the hassle of applying a tune for an online race.
Definitely appreciate this conversation topic. Personally, I've been fascinated with setups since GT Sport. Based on my very basic setup (console, wifi, pad), I do more spectating of daily races than participating in them. When I have downtime, I'd search online and on YT for community setups that could work on my favourite cars in the game. But while I'm for introducing setups to daily races, I'm with you in giving players the option to use them or not and still be competitive. I also like the idea of having menu books be used as how-to guides for players new to setups, and using the livery model for easy access to setups. Maybe separating the daily races into BoP and setup-specific, but making sure the competitive delta is balanced between races.
Tuning has always been a big part of the GT series and should be encouraged by being able to share these and to save them, hopefully keeping full damage will become a feature too, hopefully you will get to see more diverse starting grids too, instead of adding more tracks and cars that no one uses start adding rain and lights to existing tracks for night races as was promised pre release and I MAY EVEN RETRY THE GAME AGAIN.
I learned to set up the car thanks to the function of the GT series, which unfortunately is no longer in GT7. And that function was a career that unlocked cars, tracks, etc. a career where you drove 2k credits and immediately "ran" to a GT car to buy an exhaust. this is no longer here and it's a great shame .
Excellent suggestion to have a tuning license. Gran Turismo taught me about tuning from the first game; the franchise is known for being a pioneer in this for games. I believe if you truly love automobiles, you owe it to yourself to learn the intricacies of the engineering, geometry, & physics that is involved. But I completely understand when it comes to being competitive online.
Absolutely Rory, set ups are great if that's your thing, but if it isn't there needs to be a feature to download a particular set up and save it to your car, or, there needs to be a stock race with BOP and no set up. Just add things like weather or tyre changes, re-fuelling etc that add a complexity and strategy to the race that doesn't need an additional tuning element to it. In short have a tuning race and a standard race where only weather an pit stops dictate strategy.
Firstly I would like to say that I love your content. I watch a few times a week and enjoy your races. This video in particular really hits home for me. I have played racing games for years. The allure of these games has always been that I can log on, enter a race and we all have the same equipment and the driver makes the difference. I have absolutely no interest in tuning. I am retired and I still would not waste my time trying to get a good set-up and in my opinion, the majority of the people that log on this game to race, have similar feeling about this. BOP Racing is fun! We can all just log in and go. People are busy, and if Poliphony pushes this tuning through, they are going to lose a great number of people that enjoy playing this game. My solution would be this, give the tuners a specific and separate race that they can go and enjoy themselves in and leave the other weekly races in BOP for the rest of us. On another note, I would like to add you as a Friend on GT7 but I have tried and it says that your Friends Account is full? I’m in Canada and race virtually every day when I have the time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I am definitely in your corner on this one. Take care, Cheers!
I worry about the placebo effect; is the time I found due to the changes I made to my setup, or have I learned to drive around flaws of the tune I chose? Thank god for GTPlanet. Had I not participated in the Car of the Week group on GTP, I may have never learned how to drive a car efficiently without tuning (i.e. bone stock). I would like to see a tutorial, or at least better descriptions of the tuning options within the game. Some are so vague that 1 or 2 laps in practice simply aren't enough to judge if the car is better before or after changes are made. I've been able to develop a reasonable consistency (within tenths or hundredths of a second lap over lap) on some tracks, but that may mean that I'm consistently using the same bad habits lap after lap. Even if I hired a driving coach, I'd still have to trust their judgement over my own experiences which isn't always easy to do. Keep in mind, I've been a Gran Turismo addict since the first one on the original PlayStation, this isn't exactly my 1st rodeo. That said, all of the above also applies to real world driving. Another example of when virtual and reality blur.
It's racing and tuning is part of racing. Tuning was in the game from the beginning so it's unfair to expect people not to use it, it is part of the game. I agree that you should be able to save them to make it easier to reload your tunes. Bop does not make it a level playing field, it just turns races into same make races because there is almost always a Meta car.
I think we should have a daily D which is more 40-45 minutes long with in session qualifying and tuning that is open 3 times a day. Then also take away tuning from the other daily races. I think tuning should only be for GTWS and more competitive races as tuning kind of goes against what gt7 stands for. For the majority of the player base, as you said enjoy the fact that gt7 is accessible and plug in and play and daily A-C should remain as such
I totally agree with the points you mentioned. To share setups would be very nice. I don't have time to find a setup and don't understand what I am doing if I give it a go. I do like it on time trails, because you do not have the presure of the direct comparision. But on daily races it's not that great, in particular because you cannot save the setups as you said. From my point of view a daily race D would be great for all the super pros, who want to race for half and hour or longer in one race. There you can have setup and this stuff.
Agree with pretty much everything you said here Rory. I love experimenting with each aspect of tuning a car and when you get a car working exactly how you want it, theres a great sense of accomplishment. This is probably because it takes a long time to set a car up for your individual preference. Out of the hundreds of cars in my garage, theres around 8 or 10 yhat i would say i have perfected. This obviously limits players who dont have the ability or inclination to put that much time into tuning for races that are only available for a week and thrn they are changed. As well as your suggestions perhaps a middle ground would be for PD to implement something similar to world of outlaws, nascar heat or even ACC where players can choose between preset "understeer", neutral" & "oversteer" setups without the need to adjust each individual aspect in the tuning menu.
Being the archetypal casual player (checking almost all those examples you stated) I totally agree with everything you’re saying. If the right tuning is needed to be competitive at all, then there needs to be an easy way to get a good setup, and make it stick so you don’t have to redo it every time you enter a race.
I’ve been always wishing that racing simulator has a feature of teaching how to do setup.. like an actual learn and test but not only a reading.. good topic you raised Rory
I think the issue with this is, is that it takes away from people wanting to go further in the game because they know that everyone that does the tuning will be tuned up and they won’t wanna race these races and eventually it will just faze people out from wanting to play. So you’re right, it def needs some sort of setup thing where you can just put it on and everyone be equal in that regard and let the driving do the talking. I’ve been messing around with the tuning the past few days on GT Sport, so I found it funny that this video ran across my feed so I’m very interested in seeing what comes about, if anything hopefully. Because I love racing, I just started two weeks ago and I’m super addicted already and luckily for me I have the time to play it hard. I just need a better setup in regards to my wheel and stuff as I can’t afford the good stuff being a single full time dad… I kinda splurged on what I have now and it’s bottom of the barrel in comparison to most. But it’s good for me right now as I learn I guess. I’d like to start using a computer instead of a PS just cuz I’m right into the graphics and the resolution fps and what not… Hopefully one day. And thank you for bringing this up Rory. You really help us out and go above and beyond for your subscribers, especially when you’re live streaming shoutin out everyone while playing in the dark on Mount Panorama ffs! 🤣🤣🤣 You’re a legend my man! 💯🤙🏻
You absolutely nailed it, Rory. I agree with your view and I really hope Polyphony consider adding several quality of life options if they still want us to tune. Overall, it would just be better to have a fixed setups and just bop.
I was seconds behind on other drivers on the NB GP track today and found out there were tuning options. Then I searched for one on YT and found out that the settings being used are more or less ‘extreme’ settings. By this I mean setting suspension and diff settings to min or max on either of the settings. So in essence the tuning in GT7 is not real life tuning but more or less an exaggeration of real life tuning if you ask me. Which in the end is not the purpose of tuning because it only is a falsified way of making the car handle better more or less. The driving style point is another fair point as well.
I totally agree. I have a ps4 pro for GT7 only and it is painful to pay the PS+ and have not so good online rqcing. The only thing keeping me here the more casual racing. The only thing preventing me from going ACC and LFM is the fiddling with setups. If i have to do it here i might as well go to my pc sims and not pay the monthly fee for online racing
I love tunes! I’m not good yet but am understanding more and more the concepts and it is so satisfying. I know it’s intimidating but it doesn’t take that long and it helps you be a better driver by understanding the car more intimately
Fully agree on the tuning part. Full-time job, 2 kids, family things, if I jump into a simcade I want to race and not tinker around with settings too much. That is why I like your community to get the setups, but totally agree that the quality of life features would make it so much better compared to finding in chat "Porsche 50 50 12 23 3.5 3.0 8 5 25 5". For the casuals setups should be what the replays do; an easy way of figuring out what the pro's do and then utterly fail in the execution :). On the time trial part, being time constricted I quite like that they do it like that. Early in the week more focus on learning the track and qualifying and later part of the weeks easier to jump into races. Maybe they should experiment with doing time trial qualifying for race B and ACC like qualifying for race C.
Great comments Rory, and essentially, I agree with everything you said. The only obtuse niggle I have is that, whilst your amount of time to throw at tuning is definitely an issue (and I don't understand running much either)... if one can master this, it may very well be the difference of finishing 5th or getting a podium. I'm torn (like you) between my thoughts. I know one thing though... more laps equals faster lap times no matter what the situation. Love the content mate. Keep on keeping on!!! Cheers, dd
I think I largely agree. I like having the tuning so I can adjust brake bias but can't be bothered to play around with setup in the dailies. If I want to build out a car and get into the setup weeds I just go to the lobbies, or any of the offline ways to play.
Love tuning as for me it's what Gran Turismo is all about, right from GT1 the whole essence of the game has been about tuning cars. Buying your first little cheap box and slowly turning it into a good track car. You say about diff settings and yes they a bit of a black art but they have been there since the first game and surely playing through GT1, 2, 3, ,4, 5 and 6 you must of played around with settings to get the best out of your car ?
When I use someone tune. I always makes adjustment so the car handles the why I like it too. As you mentioned. I do like the plug and play of this game. I mostly play to past my time.
I agree I don't have the time or the want to get into tuning or setups. Prefer the BoP as unbalanced as it is over tuning races. Although in the Bound The Apex section it does go more into tuning settings details that can be a good help to those that want too.
Great video buddy! I totally agree. I do play 1 or 2 hrs every other week and definitively don’t have the time to be competitive at this. Also on the teaching side , I do agree. I am an engineer and still take a lot of my brain and sometime it doesn’t even work for me.
I think they are pushing towards having daily races with the ability host street cars with upgrades and tuning. Which will be crazy. At first I didn't like it but once you kinda start to get the hang of it, it gets interesting. HSG videos helped me a good bit
Totally agree on the comments about the menu books and even include the cafe in that. A really under utilised aspect of GT 7 hope that Poly phony are listening.
I understand your point of view. It depends on the person, I for example enjoy tinkering with settings (although I am in the “limited time” category). Tuning for me is like half the fun in the game…if not more 🙂
In daily races you can't load anything and have to set the tuning every single race .You cant set gear ratios suspension or downforce so doesnt take long
I think setups alongside bop for weight & power align itself with real-world series such as wec, etc. There should be a basic set up for grip I.e high downforce, & too speed i.e low downforce for beginners to start to learn the basics through tuning.
Spot on with your thoughts here mate. Im a dad who enjoys the game a few times a week after the kids are in bed, but i won’t even be powering up my ps this week to be honest.
If they simplified the tuning that might be helpful to some, or just give an option on the race screen for tuning or non tuning. The tuning school sounds like a really good idea. Hope you get better soon Rory.
Thanks Rory, I think this is important. I play only an hour here and there and have to look at You Tube vids to figure out what set up might work. It would be nice to have both options, same race with setups and w/o. That way you can just jump into it if that’s what you want to do.
I think it's being blown out of proportion. BoP races are and will still be the majority of weeks. One week for the tinkerers is really not an issue and the gap in performance will be nowhere near as big in lower tier lobbies as in the top splits. No one is forced to tune, you can still run the stock setup and if you're not that competitive for one week then it's not the end of the world. I do agree with the quality of life stuff, saving presets, sharing etc. Also it would be a good idea for either race B or C to have tuning, but not both in the same week. Or at least make race A not karts lol. As for the players with limited time: for some it may be a deterrent, for others it may actually be the one week where they're more competitive because they don't get to practice their driving that much but they happen to have some good tunes they'd played around with in single player before. The potential for a greater car variety is a big plus as well. Everyone running the same car is pretty boring and let's not kid ourselves, regardless of how well PD execute BoP, there's always gonna be a META car for each track with BoP applied. So while normally most players would just look up what the car of the week is, now they can take their favourite, get a good tune from GT Planet if they don't tune themselves and run with it. Kinda same thing with extra steps and more cool cars that had been under utilised. It's fine. The sky is not falling. It's just a game.
The very first week daily race C at Daytona was the best thing ever happened aside from dynamic weather in this game. I wish there was a time machine back to that time.
For those who don't have time to get in the weeds of car setups, PD can incorporate a "tuning AI" into qualifying sessions. The AI can work something like how the Google algorithm makes recommendations based of search history. After the first 2 or 3 qualifying laps, the AI analyzes how you handle the current setup ~ In "novice" mode - the AI presents a list of individual setup packages that best suit various driving styles. You have one opportunity to accept one of the packages or reject them all. For the remainder of the qualifying session you are on your own to setup your car as you like. In "pro" mode - the AI learns your driving style by analyzing your driving history. And offers suggested tweaks throughout the qualifying session. Again, you can accept our reject the suggestions. In "CHAT" mode - you can query the AI for suggestions to improve specific aspect of your lap. Accept our reject the suggestions as you choose. All the qualifying modes can operate concurrently in the same race.
Agree with what you say Rory, i am one of those with a couple of hours spare a few evenings and its easier to get a time on an even playing field (although i managed to get 2 10ths away from you Monday night in the genesis some how 🤷🏼♂️) So from what i can tell and am seeing as general consensus is the tuning is car specific not track related for the top times, they are using the same set up in the same car wether its Laguna seca or this weeks. Only difference is certain cars are stronger at certain tracks. For me its a pain as i race exclusively in VR, so you have to adapt to the view, seating position width everything. If you are also trying to set up a car yourself at the same time you can really mislead yourself as you can be improving generally and think its the set up. I think tuning works if the BOP is more even so all cars compete over most tracks. Then you can get used to a set up and a car and compete, you then have a SIM racing game as people don't change cars and teams every week!. GT7 is about driving, trying different cars 🤔 I'd say the answer is a daily D only for tuning maybe split it into seasons choose a manufacturer and get used to it for a few weeks and tinker over different tracks 🤔 and just sort the BOP on B and C so ones not a genesis tuning show and the other a mazda free for all 🤣🤣
the original daily race c at daytona on gt7, was the best daily race I did on gt7. it had tuning, and the meta was changing a lot. the week felt like 3 weeks
As a D rated driver that has limited play time I agree that spending time finding a tune eats into my race time & would say if its here to stay only apply it to 1 daily on any given week. However having Monday off this week I settled in for a cpl of hrs on race B. I didn't actually realise that tuning was available and actually won my first race since switching from gt sport. Admittedly I had to park the porsche in favour of the mazda but with just a brake balance adjustment and improvement in quali time to escape the rammers I started on pole & had a great race with the guy in 2nd, swapping position twice on my way to the win. Ignorance is bliss i guess😊
Good point around saving setups - I play in VR so can't look at notes in game. Trying to remember each and every setting to apply in a time pressured environment is a nightmare!!!
Well said man.. I don't know anythig about tuning... That would be a really cool feature of teaching us like you had said in this video. I hope they do that. Specified players..
Your 100% correct.... unfortunately I don't have the time either to tune a set up, therefore I personally elect to not participate in daily races that I can't be competitive in. So I wait until the next week. Bummer !!
IMO the whole idea of tuning is to seperate the drivers. I like the idea and all for it. The issue i have with GT is that racing can get so stale. Use this car for this specific race because its the OP car and the race turns into a Specific Car Cup race. Tuning can actually change the races for the better. For those who complain about not having time is pure non sense. I travel for work as a living and also have kids to tend but i still have the time to figure out a set up and enjoy a few races. I hope PD keep going forward with this. BTW people forget in the title. It says "The real driving simulator". PD should move foward more towards simulator and away from Simcade. Those who say, those with the fastest times on the leaderboard, there should be an option to copy those settings. That should not be allowed, the racing will just go back being stale.
I totally agree with your thoughts. For me setup in this particular game is feeling inappropriately - i cant help myself. Yea, the different story would be a another type of daily / weekly endurance races with pitstops, strategies, for example 1 hour race with possible changing conditions and option to save your setup.I would be a fan of it then, but not like this... in these funny 6 laps races where quali means your PB (which is another nonsense of only GT7).
I like the setups even though many times I dont have time to do it, I think the should be like liveries, You can go to showcase and download a popular one. Than in sport mode you can select your favourite one. As it is at the moment, sometimes I don't bother with it.
I feel like an option to download someone else's setup from the qualifying leaderboard would go a long way to solving the problem. Mix that with the ability to save various different setups will allow people to compare what works and what doesn't.
I won two daily race Bs in a row and I didn’t even know tuning was on. I play once or twice a week. Of the people that choose to make tuning adjustments to their cars for the daily races, only a few are going to be making the changes that will actually give them an edge - especially in lower splits
Currently you do have ability to save tunes in separate sheets (in the garage).... however it would be nice to not have to enter them every race! Agree that sharing the sheets like livery is needed too!
I actually do understand all those settings, but I’ve been a real car guy for 30 years. I love the tuning and am glad it’s in daily races now. It is difficult at times though to get a car dialed in near perfect. Just when you think it perfect, you switch tracks from Sarthe to Autopolis and it’s totally different. You almost have to save different tunes for different tracks. I buy several of the same cars and tune them different.
Figuring out tuning is one of the hardest things to do. It would be nice if they did split it like that to where you can choose to race with the full BOP or BOPtuning. I work so I don’t play it as much but know if I did my pace would naturally be a lot faster. I can see the route they trying to go as far bringin that back from Gtsport I heard about. Or it’ll be cool if they had a recommendation set up for whatever your choice of car just to get a more clearer example of what each individual thing it would make the car do. I love this game, but times like this I wish I knew tunning! It’s not the same as on a different track.
I wouldn't be half as fast as I am if I never learned how to do any tuning. It's mandatory imo. Gear ratios are so important. The number one thing is something you mentioned, it allows less used cars to come up and challenge basically anything - I can routinely pass Ferraris in my unswapped camaro z28.
Another thing to consider when sharing tunes, is that not all tunes work for everybody. A proper setup targets the best situation for the drivers ability and style.
I think it all bottles down to preventing under- or oversteer, traction and braking performance. The problem however is that GT7 hasn’t modeled out all the details of that to the point that it is realistic so I think people use the maximised options of the settings to force a certain effect on the handling of the car.
Are people willing to share good setups to others. And not just keep it to there selfs or there other fast mates.
Theres gone be a huge gap. I dont have connections. I csn look up tunes but do i ever get the tunes ? Or just a ripoff that doesnt compare with the best. There wil stil be that gap. TT is gone be harder and harder because i would never gone make it anymore to a good result
@@tonyvandijk2008 My go-to has been Praiano's tunes, but, as you mentioned, one can only get so prescriptive as one setup may not work as effectively on certain courses. As I understand it, he's pretty much the "man" and will build you a tune for money. I haven't gone that route yet, because I'm cheap, but using it as a baseline has certainly improved lap times significantly in some cases.
I can see a ‘Tuning School’ being an option, as long as they don’t make it mandatory (like licensing). Those that want to can, while those that want to keep it casual won’t have to.
I would love this.
Yes. Need this!
I better see SUPER GT in the next couple races you do. It’s only right as he gave you a shoutout a couple hours ago in the group 3 races lol. Just very cool to see 2 RUclipsrs you admire get matched up in this rare opportunity of racing together
Yeah I watch only Rory and super gt lately. I dont really see many others come up in my feed but I like watching those two go at it in some races. 😂
YES! You put all my thoughts onto this video! I work and have a 1 year old baby. I also just bought a wheel and sim rig but I can barely get on and now I have to find the right tune which takes up an hour and by then, it's too late or I'm too tired to race now.
Race the next day, I've stopped trying to do what I want in games in one session and go with the idea of "what I can get done in this session is what imma do. I'll continue next time."
@@sergioh2015 its the same thing. like Rory said. the tune doesn't save so every time you wanna pick a different car, its back to tuning it test driving it.
I love that idea of a tuning tutorial. They could add another point on the map called Tune School or something and even add extra Cafe Menu Books where you have to tune cars a certain way to be competitive as a way to get players used to it. I think they could also have default tunes that we can apply, kinda like in ACC with aggressive vs safe setups. At the end of the day, it's as you said, lotsa people view GT7 as plug n play & that's what makes it attractive so hopefully they add loads of quality of life updates so this doesn't just turn into another thing to have to figure out.
Great post. Totally agree.😊
Tuning school would fit as a glove in the driving school or in the tuning shop
I don't have the time to experiment and become an expert tuner, so I go to the GT Planet forums. I found a tuner who's tunes suit my driving style/ability. Praiano is my go to guy.
I use his tunes too. He knows how to tune a car without neutering the oversteer. Most tuners try to turn everything into a GT-R on rails, because it's usually faster that way.
What a king. I lurk on forums like that, really should start interacting. Really cool people in those circles.
He's been a gun from GT5 days for producing good tunes. There was a spreadsheet that he created back in the day that would allow you to plug a few variables in and it would generate a good base tune to start from.
I love to tune but don't really have time to experiment in the dailys.
@@zakspeed76 I first found him during those GT5 days. The guy's a magician.
I think the iRacing approach in some series is really good. For example, in the F3, F4, NASCAR Cup or Porsche Cup you have one race per hour. Fixed series at even hours, Open series at odd hours, iRacing even provides advanced setups for specific circuits in the Open series that are more than enough for 99% of the drivers, but anyway, you always have many Fixed options at any time. I don't understand how Gran Turismo, 7 years after the release of GT Sport, only has 3 regular races, the matchmaking works really good, I highly doubt that there are not enough players to offer 5 daily races and provide more variety in every aspect of the game, including Fixed and Open series.
I have never used iRacing, but I would fully support that format. I personally love the “pick up and play” aspect of GT7 where I know I can be competitive in the daily races without needing to put too much effort in apart from learning the car and track combo. I am sure there are many very simple things that you can do set up wise that would make a world of a difference but having hosted open racing leagues on PC2 some years ago, putting time into testing setups is a big commitment and like Rory says only really widens the skill gap. I’m currently loving Daily Race A in the karts at Brands Indy. Single make car, no tuning, everything is equal and it’s down to the skill of the driver to be clean, quick and consistent in order to win.
@@irritatedmushroom2yea daily race a is sick, the other two too in my opinion
Easy solution:
Include the setup in the replay.
i.e. when looking at the world record lap or the winner POV of your previous race, you can see exactly what their setup is. Some racing games already do this.
Gran Turismo has never been like this, and some people simply do not like sharing their setups, so that isn't fair to them. On top of that, one single setup will not always suit a certain driver. Everyone has a different driving style. The best thing to do would be to find an online resource like GT Planet, and try to find a good base setup there. Spend a few minutes to tweak things here and there(meaning you will have to learn the basics of tuning, which isn't all too bad) to suit your driving style.
I come from the real world side of building cars and having to learn the various aspects of engine, suspension and chassis tuning. I personally love having the ability to tune certain features and wish they would implement one more aspect; alignment. With that said, I do see this from both sides of the spectrum and feel where the real issue is how PD implements it. I personally feel they should add another gr3/gr4 type race. They could do two no tune races and one tune race and then the next week, flip it so that it's always rotating allowing people to have the option of what they want to race and how.
I agree there should be training or maybe they could have a few preset tunes in a drop down menu so that you can quickly find one that fits your driving style. And this is what tuning is all about, finding something that suits your driving style for a given track. BOP is still needed regardless though they have some cars that don't fit with the current BOP standards and tuning allows those cars to be pushed even harder. So if PD we're to even out the difference in certain cars, tuning would actually work the way it should
Totally agree. No need for tuning as long as everyone has to compete with an even chance. Very few people would enjoy bowling if each person could have their own oil setup.
i found your channel today and subscribed to it today 👍
The Setup stuff in daylies is a cry out for more series than just the ones we know. An endurance Series with 60min+ would bei good with Setup, I think. Get Well!
Your views on this are spot on. The idea of Menu Books to “teach” tuning or setups is great. I don’t know much about tuning. So I would definitely be at a disadvantage. Sure, I could learn but time isn’t always there to go through that process. I want to get in my rig and enjoy racing. I don’t win much but that’s ok for me. I just enjoy it. But…if tuning becomes a larger part of this and last place is all I ever will achieve, then the fun certainly will be taken away. Great video! Cheers!!
For people not familiar with tuning follow this.
Gr3: put the initial torque and acceleration down between 5-10. This will make it easier to handle higher powered cars around corners much easier and you should be able to keep TC at zero. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45.
Gr4: when bop puts your car sub 400hp, you can run a pretty high initial torque and acceleration while keeping your car stable through turns. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45 as well.
Gr4 & Gr3: +2 (rear bias) on the brake controller to help with oversteer. If you find the backend of your car snaps out under heavy breaking, in crease the rear expansion dampening (not compression) This will help shift the weight forward making the backend more stable.
This should help most newer people to sport mode and for those that don't have the time to experiment with different settings.
They need the feature from F1 games where you can copy the setups from anybody on the board .. that would help
That would be perfect! 👍
That's simply not Gran Turismo, though, and PD have never taken that approach. Guys should be rewarded for a having setup knowledge as well, because that is a craft in itself. It's like the engineers being rewarded in race for providing the optimal setup to a racing driver. Sometimes it takes hours upon hours of getting everything right. Tuning has always been a factor in Gran Turismo, but it died down quite a lot when GT Sport showed up. Though this is true, there should ALWAYS be race where there is BOP and default setup for guys that just don't have the time to go about tinkering around with the suspension. Gran Turismo has always been prominent on tuning and such, but it has also always been prominent in pick-up-and-playability.
Daily race D…..exactly the same race as C, just with set ups permitted.
But set ups need to be able to be saved and more readily accessible.
Dailing a car in, is one of the most fun parts of racing. Getting a setup right is soooooo satisfying. I'm just getting into GT and the tuining options and format isn't the best, but you can still drastically change a car with tweaks. I do belive they should have lobbies with tunes vs stock setups to help ease people in.
agree with you 100% rory. I only get an hour or 2 to play most days if im lucky, and last thing i want to do is to keep looking up the setup when i realise im 2 seconds a lap slower because i need to tune.
For people not familiar with tuning follow this.
Gr3: put the initial torque and acceleration down between 5-10. This will make it easier to handle higher powered cars around corners much easier and you should be able to keep TC at zero. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45.
Gr4: when bop puts your car sub 400hp, you can run a pretty high initial torque and acceleration while keeping your car stable through turns. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45 as well.
Gr4 & Gr3: +2 (rear bias) on the brake controller to help with oversteer. If you find the backend of your car snaps out under heavy breaking, in crease the rear expansion dampening (not compression) This will help shift the weight forward making the backend more stable.
This should help most newer people to sport mode and for those that don't have the time to experiment with different settings.
I agree that you should be able to save your tuning and they should provide more information to help us newbies on how to optimize tuning
I stuck a tune onto a Mazda3 that I got from your discord and was over a second quicker today than I was yesterday, which meant I had 4 competitive races this afternoon. However, I’m lucky that your community have added tunes to discord as I’d never be able to work out what I was doing otherwise! I like the idea of tweaking via a tune but not every race in a week and not every week either - add a daily race d and then rotate across b, c and d ….
You have 100% agree!! We work a lot, not have much Time for tuning…and very fustrating how every time We need write the actually setup, because don’t can save it…i very sad for this week how not have a lot of time for practice for tuning setup! But big big help your screen shot setup!!
For people not familiar with tuning follow this.
Gr3: put the initial torque and acceleration down between 5-10. This will make it easier to handle higher powered cars around corners much easier and you should be able to keep TC at zero. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45.
Gr4: when bop puts your car sub 400hp, you can run a pretty high initial torque and acceleration while keeping your car stable through turns. Breaking sensitivity between 40-45 as well.
Gr4 & Gr3: +2 (rear bias) on the brake controller to help with oversteer. If you find the backend of your car snaps out under heavy breaking, in crease the rear expansion dampening (not compression) This will help shift the weight forward making the backend more stable.
This should help most newer people to sport mode and for those that don't have the time to experiment with different settings.
@@haoa93 Thank U!!
I play with controller, on automatic, I very rarely ever tune. With this approach, almost everything in the game has been completely fine. I have gold on all normal licences and most circuit experiences. I've done 50 sport races and won once. This 2% win rate is somewhat expected given my skill level and setup, so I have fun just trying to improve over my qualifying position.
Tuning makes me complete avoid the daily races. I think the option should still be there, but I really feel as if only 1 out of the 3 races should allow it.
The idea for preset tuning setup is great, something like that would make me much more keen to give it a go
I can appreciate the rationale of the argument being made here. I feel that people not learning how to tune is primarily a handicap of many of the ultra competitive Sport players who never took the time to try and learn to tune & focused purely on lap time and working around a cars issues. Tuning when implemented properly can elevate a driver & car combo from mediocre at best to something special when the right combo is reached IMO. BoP is ok but it really needs an active day to day update so no One car becomes too dominate to let any of the rest be able to compete.
I love setups it gives a better fighting chance for those not so fast as you by beeing smarter, it equals more competition.
Greetings from Canada. - I personally enjoy tuning the cars as much as driving them - You have to put in the time to be able to be competitive - I love Forza for the tuning capabilities
I think there should be a seperate set of Daily Races for Tuned Cars
Menu Book tutorials is a brilliant idea! PD should really do this!
I don’t race online so I look for tunes on RUclips then I put my spin on it. I love tuning
I wish racing online was like how games use to be,like the original grid where everyone had the same setup,racing was down to how you race not how well your car has been upgraded and tuned.its the one thing that puts me off racing online in most games as i dont have the time for tuning
Yeah I agree! We need to be able to save the settings. It lets you take measurements but it never saves. Seem like a really easy fix tbh
I think setup is only a big problem , if you wanna use different cars. For me its easy, because i am using always the same cars in Gr3 and 4. But sometimes i wanna race with other cars, just to try and maybe find a new Meta. And then there you have a problem. Like you said. Finding a setup fpr just one car should be easy and dont take that much time. But you are right. This week i was nearly 2 sek down without the right setup.
I used to race online, trying to get a good driver rating during GT6. Due to drivers, even good drivers with multi accounts, crashing and ghosting, etc, I stopped. I would get tunes from Praiano and other tuners. Spend hours racing and tuning. I was chosen to be a Beta tester for GT6. My friend got me hooked on GT5 and I never looked back. Splitting time between GT and golf.
I tried tuning myself but don’t know enough about setups so wouldn’t do well even if I wanted to race online again. I do the weekly challenges and try and make one million per day to buy what I want.
I appreciate you and your unselfishness to help the GT community.
Tuning has been on the game since day one. It is part of racing. So I thing tuning should be in the daily races. Not all three, or they could have four daily races. Two tuning races and two non-tuning races. Personally each race should be different, two or three Group races and one or two speciality races. So I'm loving that tuning is a thing for online races. The more the marrier. But I understand your point so a compromise is definitely needed.
Would be cool if they'd make it so you can upload tunes to the showcase like it's a livery and you can download them onto a list to choose from on your car set up page. There can be an up vote system that would bring the most common tunes that work well to the top of the lists
For many cars, a setup fixes the instability, the developers have built into the car, in that sense it’s a godsend. I also think you should be able to adjust them during a pitstop if you want to.
I havent had the time to play GT lately, but I've played from GT2 to GT5, so I can't really comment on 6 and 7.
Setup and tuning have always been a part of GT and you were able to save 3 versions per car. It also had short explanations of what did what (learning). For some races they also had BOP in the later versions.
That is what took it to the next level in comparison to other racing (simulation) games, IMHO.
It is part of real life racing, even within cup races.
We sometimes had to write our setups down on paper and even shared our setups via email. It was really nice to find your way in that and try beat the other drivers in the same car, but with tweaked suspension, aero, etc, adjusted to your own driving style.
Also there were rooms and races where you couldn't tune and some where you could, so everybody had a choice.
So in summary: I hope they keep tuning in the game (with explanations), the ability to save your setups and have races where you enter with the OEM setup the car came with.
Love watching your vids, keep up your always good spirit!
Fully support all your points. Particularly the need for special tutorials, as part of licenses, perhaps, and if we have them (tutorials), to make them optional.
I agree. I think a fix action is daily race D,E or the most realistic is one week BOP one week tuning.
Forza does an awesome job with sharing tunes and keeping them applied to your car until you change it.
Fantastic point Rory, on sharing tunes. It really should be a feature. I don't race online much, so never realised about the hassle of applying a tune for an online race.
Definitely appreciate this conversation topic. Personally, I've been fascinated with setups since GT Sport. Based on my very basic setup (console, wifi, pad), I do more spectating of daily races than participating in them. When I have downtime, I'd search online and on YT for community setups that could work on my favourite cars in the game. But while I'm for introducing setups to daily races, I'm with you in giving players the option to use them or not and still be competitive. I also like the idea of having menu books be used as how-to guides for players new to setups, and using the livery model for easy access to setups. Maybe separating the daily races into BoP and setup-specific, but making sure the competitive delta is balanced between races.
Tuning has always been a big part of the GT series and should be encouraged by being able to share these and to save them, hopefully keeping full damage will become a feature too, hopefully you will get to see more diverse starting grids too, instead of adding more tracks and cars that no one uses start adding rain and lights to existing tracks for night races as was promised pre release and I MAY EVEN RETRY THE GAME AGAIN.
I learned to set up the car thanks to the function of the GT series, which unfortunately is no longer in GT7. And that function was a career that unlocked cars, tracks, etc. a career where you drove 2k credits and immediately "ran" to a GT car to buy an exhaust. this is no longer here and it's a great shame .
Excellent suggestion to have a tuning license. Gran Turismo taught me about tuning from the first game; the franchise is known for being a pioneer in this for games. I believe if you truly love automobiles, you owe it to yourself to learn the intricacies of the engineering, geometry, & physics that is involved. But I completely understand when it comes to being competitive online.
Absolutely Rory, set ups are great if that's your thing, but if it isn't there needs to be a feature to download a particular set up and save it to your car, or, there needs to be a stock race with BOP and no set up. Just add things like weather or tyre changes, re-fuelling etc that add a complexity and strategy to the race that doesn't need an additional tuning element to it. In short have a tuning race and a standard race where only weather an pit stops dictate strategy.
Firstly I would like to say that I love your content. I watch a few times a week and enjoy your races. This video in particular really hits home for me. I have played racing games for years. The allure of these games has always been that I can log on, enter a race and we all have the same equipment and the driver makes the difference. I have absolutely no interest in tuning. I am retired and I still would not waste my time trying to get a good set-up and in my opinion, the majority of the people that log on this game to race, have similar feeling about this. BOP Racing is fun! We can all just log in and go. People are busy, and if Poliphony pushes this tuning through, they are going to lose a great number of people that enjoy playing this game. My solution would be this, give the tuners a specific and separate race that they can go and enjoy themselves in and leave the other weekly races in BOP for the rest of us. On another note, I would like to add you as a Friend on GT7 but I have tried and it says that your Friends Account is full? I’m in Canada and race virtually every day when I have the time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I am definitely in your corner on this one. Take care, Cheers!
I worry about the placebo effect; is the time I found due to the changes I made to my setup, or have I learned to drive around flaws of the tune I chose? Thank god for GTPlanet. Had I not participated in the Car of the Week group on GTP, I may have never learned how to drive a car efficiently without tuning (i.e. bone stock).
I would like to see a tutorial, or at least better descriptions of the tuning options within the game. Some are so vague that 1 or 2 laps in practice simply aren't enough to judge if the car is better before or after changes are made. I've been able to develop a reasonable consistency (within tenths or hundredths of a second lap over lap) on some tracks, but that may mean that I'm consistently using the same bad habits lap after lap.
Even if I hired a driving coach, I'd still have to trust their judgement over my own experiences which isn't always easy to do. Keep in mind, I've been a Gran Turismo addict since the first one on the original PlayStation, this isn't exactly my 1st rodeo.
That said, all of the above also applies to real world driving. Another example of when virtual and reality blur.
COTW Beater Or Sleeper 😉
It's racing and tuning is part of racing. Tuning was in the game from the beginning so it's unfair to expect people not to use it, it is part of the game. I agree that you should be able to save them to make it easier to reload your tunes. Bop does not make it a level playing field, it just turns races into same make races because there is almost always a Meta car.
The tuning they're asking for isn't too complicated, at least. As long as they don't ask us to tune the transmission.
@KnockOffNigel I second this!
I think we should have a daily D which is more 40-45 minutes long with in session qualifying and tuning that is open 3 times a day. Then also take away tuning from the other daily races.
I think tuning should only be for GTWS and more competitive races as tuning kind of goes against what gt7 stands for.
For the majority of the player base, as you said enjoy the fact that gt7 is accessible and plug in and play and daily A-C should remain as such
I totally agree with the points you mentioned. To share setups would be very nice. I don't have time to find a setup and don't understand what I am doing if I give it a go. I do like it on time trails, because you do not have the presure of the direct comparision. But on daily races it's not that great, in particular because you cannot save the setups as you said. From my point of view a daily race D would be great for all the super pros, who want to race for half and hour or longer in one race. There you can have setup and this stuff.
Agree with pretty much everything you said here Rory. I love experimenting with each aspect of tuning a car and when you get a car working exactly how you want it, theres a great sense of accomplishment. This is probably because it takes a long time to set a car up for your individual preference. Out of the hundreds of cars in my garage, theres around 8 or 10 yhat i would say i have perfected. This obviously limits players who dont have the ability or inclination to put that much time into tuning for races that are only available for a week and thrn they are changed. As well as your suggestions perhaps a middle ground would be for PD to implement something similar to world of outlaws, nascar heat or even ACC where players can choose between preset "understeer", neutral" & "oversteer" setups without the need to adjust each individual aspect in the tuning menu.
Being the archetypal casual player (checking almost all those examples you stated) I totally agree with everything you’re saying. If the right tuning is needed to be competitive at all, then there needs to be an easy way to get a good setup, and make it stick so you don’t have to redo it every time you enter a race.
I’ve been always wishing that racing simulator has a feature of teaching how to do setup.. like an actual learn and test but not only a reading.. good topic you raised Rory
Great points. Feels like they’re experimenting to see who has an appetite to race with setup changes available.
I think the issue with this is, is that it takes away from people wanting to go further in the game because they know that everyone that does the tuning will be tuned up and they won’t wanna race these races and eventually it will just faze people out from wanting to play. So you’re right, it def needs some sort of setup thing where you can just put it on and everyone be equal in that regard and let the driving do the talking. I’ve been messing around with the tuning the past few days on GT Sport, so I found it funny that this video ran across my feed so I’m very interested in seeing what comes about, if anything hopefully. Because I love racing, I just started two weeks ago and I’m super addicted already and luckily for me I have the time to play it hard. I just need a better setup in regards to my wheel and stuff as I can’t afford the good stuff being a single full time dad… I kinda splurged on what I have now and it’s bottom of the barrel in comparison to most. But it’s good for me right now as I learn I guess. I’d like to start using a computer instead of a PS just cuz I’m right into the graphics and the resolution fps and what not… Hopefully one day. And thank you for bringing this up Rory. You really help us out and go above and beyond for your subscribers, especially when you’re live streaming shoutin out everyone while playing in the dark on Mount Panorama ffs! 🤣🤣🤣 You’re a legend my man! 💯🤙🏻
You absolutely nailed it, Rory. I agree with your view and I really hope Polyphony consider adding several quality of life options if they still want us to tune. Overall, it would just be better to have a fixed setups and just bop.
I was seconds behind on other drivers on the NB GP track today and found out there were tuning options. Then I searched for one on YT and found out that the settings being used are more or less ‘extreme’ settings. By this I mean setting suspension and diff settings to min or max on either of the settings. So in essence the tuning in GT7 is not real life tuning but more or less an exaggeration of real life tuning if you ask me. Which in the end is not the purpose of tuning because it only is a falsified way of making the car handle better more or less. The driving style point is another fair point as well.
I totally agree. I have a ps4 pro for GT7 only and it is painful to pay the PS+ and have not so good online rqcing. The only thing keeping me here the more casual racing. The only thing preventing me from going ACC and LFM is the fiddling with setups. If i have to do it here i might as well go to my pc sims and not pay the monthly fee for online racing
I love tunes! I’m not good yet but am understanding more and more the concepts and it is so satisfying. I know it’s intimidating but it doesn’t take that long and it helps you be a better driver by understanding the car more intimately
At very least there should be some default setups provided by Polyphony, kinda like what ACC and F123 offer
You can save setups though? - I have multiple saved tunes for my cars?. Agree that you should be able to share tunes though.
Apparently only in single player! I didn't realise that in doesn't work online w bop.
Fully agree on the tuning part. Full-time job, 2 kids, family things, if I jump into a simcade I want to race and not tinker around with settings too much. That is why I like your community to get the setups, but totally agree that the quality of life features would make it so much better compared to finding in chat "Porsche 50 50 12 23 3.5 3.0 8 5 25 5". For the casuals setups should be what the replays do; an easy way of figuring out what the pro's do and then utterly fail in the execution :).
On the time trial part, being time constricted I quite like that they do it like that. Early in the week more focus on learning the track and qualifying and later part of the weeks easier to jump into races. Maybe they should experiment with doing time trial qualifying for race B and ACC like qualifying for race C.
Great comments Rory, and essentially, I agree with everything you said. The only obtuse niggle I have is that, whilst your amount of time to throw at tuning is definitely an issue (and I don't understand running much either)... if one can master this, it may very well be the difference of finishing 5th or getting a podium. I'm torn (like you) between my thoughts. I know one thing though... more laps equals faster lap times no matter what the situation. Love the content mate. Keep on keeping on!!!
Cheers, dd
I think I largely agree. I like having the tuning so I can adjust brake bias but can't be bothered to play around with setup in the dailies. If I want to build out a car and get into the setup weeds I just go to the lobbies, or any of the offline ways to play.
great points made! if they put tunes in the showcase to download, it would be so much easier vs looking up tunes online.
I used super gt’s set up for the genesis. It was some of the best races I have had, without that I would not have been as quick.
Love tuning as for me it's what Gran Turismo is all about, right from GT1 the whole essence of the game has been about tuning cars.
Buying your first little cheap box and slowly turning it into a good track car.
You say about diff settings and yes they a bit of a black art but they have been there since the first game and surely playing through GT1, 2, 3, ,4, 5 and 6 you must of played around with settings to get the best out of your car ?
When I use someone tune. I always makes adjustment so the car handles the why I like it too. As you mentioned. I do like the plug and play of this game. I mostly play to past my time.
I agree I don't have the time or the want to get into tuning or setups. Prefer the BoP as unbalanced as it is over tuning races. Although in the Bound The Apex section it does go more into tuning settings details that can be a good help to those that want too.
Great video buddy! I totally agree. I do play 1 or 2 hrs every other week and definitively don’t have the time to be competitive at this. Also on the teaching side , I do agree. I am an engineer and still take a lot of my brain and sometime it doesn’t even work for me.
I think they are pushing towards having daily races with the ability host street cars with upgrades and tuning. Which will be crazy. At first I didn't like it but once you kinda start to get the hang of it, it gets interesting. HSG videos helped me a good bit
Totally agree on the comments about the menu books and even include the cafe in that. A really under utilised aspect of GT 7 hope that Poly phony are listening.
I understand your point of view. It depends on the person, I for example enjoy tinkering with settings (although I am in the “limited time” category). Tuning for me is like half the fun in the game…if not more 🙂
You can save as many setups for different tracks on every car from pp to suspension and even transmission setup
In daily races you can't load anything and have to set the tuning every single race .You cant set gear ratios suspension or downforce so doesnt take long
Under the option menu you can go to “beyond the apex” and go to car settings and it explains what each setting does
I think setups alongside bop for weight & power align itself with real-world series such as wec, etc.
There should be a basic set up for grip I.e high downforce, & too speed i.e low downforce for beginners to start to learn the basics through tuning.
Spot on with your thoughts here mate. Im a dad who enjoys the game a few times a week after the kids are in bed, but i won’t even be powering up my ps this week to be honest.
If they simplified the tuning that might be helpful to some, or just give an option on the race screen for tuning or non tuning. The tuning school sounds like a really good idea. Hope you get better soon Rory.
New camera looks great! Great insight on GT
Thanks Rory, I think this is important. I play only an hour here and there and have to look at You Tube vids to figure out what set up might work. It would be nice to have both options, same race with setups and w/o. That way you can just jump into it if that’s what you want to do.
I just love to enter a race after work without doing all this setup work - not a good idea to allow setups.
I think it's being blown out of proportion. BoP races are and will still be the majority of weeks. One week for the tinkerers is really not an issue and the gap in performance will be nowhere near as big in lower tier lobbies as in the top splits. No one is forced to tune, you can still run the stock setup and if you're not that competitive for one week then it's not the end of the world. I do agree with the quality of life stuff, saving presets, sharing etc. Also it would be a good idea for either race B or C to have tuning, but not both in the same week. Or at least make race A not karts lol. As for the players with limited time: for some it may be a deterrent, for others it may actually be the one week where they're more competitive because they don't get to practice their driving that much but they happen to have some good tunes they'd played around with in single player before. The potential for a greater car variety is a big plus as well. Everyone running the same car is pretty boring and let's not kid ourselves, regardless of how well PD execute BoP, there's always gonna be a META car for each track with BoP applied. So while normally most players would just look up what the car of the week is, now they can take their favourite, get a good tune from GT Planet if they don't tune themselves and run with it. Kinda same thing with extra steps and more cool cars that had been under utilised. It's fine. The sky is not falling. It's just a game.
Totally agree with you about this we need a choice with bop or tuning
The very first week daily race C at Daytona was the best thing ever happened aside from dynamic weather in this game. I wish there was a time machine back to that time.
For those who don't have time to get in the weeds of car setups, PD can incorporate a "tuning AI" into qualifying sessions. The AI can work something like how the Google algorithm makes recommendations based of search history.
After the first 2 or 3 qualifying laps, the AI analyzes how you handle the current setup ~
In "novice" mode - the AI presents a list of individual setup packages that best suit various driving styles. You have one opportunity to accept one of the packages or reject them all. For the remainder of the qualifying session you are on your own to setup your car as you like.
In "pro" mode - the AI learns your driving style by analyzing your driving history. And offers suggested tweaks throughout the qualifying session. Again, you can accept our reject the suggestions.
In "CHAT" mode - you can query the AI for suggestions to improve specific aspect of your lap. Accept our reject the suggestions as you choose.
All the qualifying modes can operate concurrently in the same race.
Agree with what you say Rory, i am one of those with a couple of hours spare a few evenings and its easier to get a time on an even playing field (although i managed to get 2 10ths away from you Monday night in the genesis some how 🤷🏼♂️) So from what i can tell and am seeing as general consensus is the tuning is car specific not track related for the top times, they are using the same set up in the same car wether its Laguna seca or this weeks. Only difference is certain cars are stronger at certain tracks. For me its a pain as i race exclusively in VR, so you have to adapt to the view, seating position width everything. If you are also trying to set up a car yourself at the same time you can really mislead yourself as you can be improving generally and think its the set up. I think tuning works if the BOP is more even so all cars compete over most tracks. Then you can get used to a set up and a car and compete, you then have a SIM racing game as people don't change cars and teams every week!. GT7 is about driving, trying different cars 🤔 I'd say the answer is a daily D only for tuning maybe split it into seasons choose a manufacturer and get used to it for a few weeks and tinker over different tracks 🤔 and just sort the BOP on B and C so ones not a genesis tuning show and the other a mazda free for all 🤣🤣
the original daily race c at daytona on gt7, was the best daily race I did on gt7. it had tuning, and the meta was changing a lot. the week felt like 3 weeks
As a D rated driver that has limited play time I agree that spending time finding a tune eats into my race time & would say if its here to stay only apply it to 1 daily on any given week. However having Monday off this week I settled in for a cpl of hrs on race B. I didn't actually realise that tuning was available and actually won my first race since switching from gt sport. Admittedly I had to park the porsche in favour of the mazda but with just a brake balance adjustment and improvement in quali time to escape the rammers I started on pole & had a great race with the guy in 2nd, swapping position twice on my way to the win. Ignorance is bliss i guess😊
Good point around saving setups - I play in VR so can't look at notes in game. Trying to remember each and every setting to apply in a time pressured environment is a nightmare!!!
Well said man.. I don't know anythig about tuning... That would be a really cool feature of teaching us like you had said in this video. I hope they do that. Specified players..
Your 100% correct.... unfortunately I don't have the time either to tune a set up, therefore I personally elect to not participate in daily races that I can't be competitive in. So I wait until the next week. Bummer !!
IMO the whole idea of tuning is to seperate the drivers. I like the idea and all for it.
The issue i have with GT is that racing can get so stale. Use this car for this specific race because its the OP car and the race turns into a Specific Car Cup race.
Tuning can actually change the races for the better.
For those who complain about not having time is pure non sense. I travel for work as a living and also have kids to tend but i still have the time to figure out a set up and enjoy a few races.
I hope PD keep going forward with this. BTW people forget in the title. It says "The real driving simulator". PD should move foward more towards simulator and away from Simcade.
Those who say, those with the fastest times on the leaderboard, there should be an option to copy those settings. That should not be allowed, the racing will just go back being stale.
I totally agree with your thoughts. For me setup in this particular game is feeling inappropriately - i cant help myself.
Yea, the different story would be a another type of daily / weekly endurance races with pitstops, strategies, for example 1 hour race with possible changing conditions and option to save your setup.I would be a fan of it then, but not like this... in these funny 6 laps races where quali means your PB (which is another nonsense of only GT7).
I like the setups even though many times I dont have time to do it, I think the should be like liveries, You can go to showcase and download a popular one.
Than in sport mode you can select your favourite one. As it is at the moment, sometimes I don't bother with it.
I feel like an option to download someone else's setup from the qualifying leaderboard would go a long way to solving the problem. Mix that with the ability to save various different setups will allow people to compare what works and what doesn't.
I won two daily race Bs in a row and I didn’t even know tuning was on. I play once or twice a week. Of the people that choose to make tuning adjustments to their cars for the daily races, only a few are going to be making the changes that will actually give them an edge - especially in lower splits
Currently you do have ability to save tunes in separate sheets (in the garage).... however it would be nice to not have to enter them every race! Agree that sharing the sheets like livery is needed too!
I actually do understand all those settings, but I’ve been a real car guy for 30 years. I love the tuning and am glad it’s in daily races now. It is difficult at times though to get a car dialed in near perfect. Just when you think it perfect, you switch tracks from Sarthe to Autopolis and it’s totally different. You almost have to save different tunes for different tracks. I buy several of the same cars and tune them different.
Figuring out tuning is one of the hardest things to do. It would be nice if they did split it like that to where you can choose to race with the full BOP or BOPtuning. I work so I don’t play it as much but know if I did my pace would naturally be a lot faster. I can see the route they trying to go as far bringin that back from Gtsport I heard about. Or it’ll be cool if they had a recommendation set up for whatever your choice of car just to get a more clearer example of what each individual thing it would make the car do. I love this game, but times like this I wish I knew tunning! It’s not the same as on a different track.
I wouldn't be half as fast as I am if I never learned how to do any tuning. It's mandatory imo. Gear ratios are so important.
The number one thing is something you mentioned, it allows less used cars to come up and challenge basically anything - I can routinely pass Ferraris in my unswapped camaro z28.