I recently did a 9200km roadtrip with a Cupra Born (i.e. an id3), large parts of which was in Spain (just before the major heat wave though), and I also experienced extremely limited charging speeds after just 5-10min while you could hear the car running its AC on full trying to keep the battery cool. Besides the potential software update that I guess could mitigate the issue somewhat, I'm still mind-blown why almost no chargers have roofs like any gas-station would; not only would it help keep batteries at optimal temperatures, the chargers themselves obviously have to cool down as well in the blistering sun (pulling power, even if not necessarily limiting charging speed, it's inefficient). And this is besides the fact that in most places, there is the thing called rain as well...
I was in that queue and I was impressed by how everyone started organizing it. Everyone was really nice and in a good mood. When a new car arrived someone told them how it worked and they drove to the back of the line without complaining.
@@per6541 after a week driving in Europe I am very annoyed by queues to almost all charging stations. I just think it’s impressive that the drivers didn’t take that out on each other or tried to cut in the line.
@@johanandersson4776 I think its only a question of time before we see conflicts at EV charger stations, the frustration will at some point take over. its human nature.
there is no way that compressor is pulling 10kW. that would give it 40kW+ of cooling power. there is no way that system can do that. a compressor that can actually do that will not even fit under the hood. (source: i work in commercial HVAC and work on big compressors)
@@jarnotyni3207 not a compressor that small no. a compressor that can do that would weigh something like 50kg at the least with space age materials. and dont forget it gets fed with 400VDC, not AC, the inverter that is also bolted to the compressor needs to be able to push 10kW into 3 phase AC to drive the compressor itself. its 99% likely that its the same compressor used in all other VAG cars wich is about 5kW peak and 2.5kW sustained.
Maybe it has 2 separate a/c units? One for the cabin and one for the battery? But that wouldnt make sense that it would pull 10 kW in total for the battery alone.
I think the test should always carried out with the cabin kept to a comfortable temperature whilst charging - in winter or summer. People will often want to stay in the car when charging. If that means a battery overheats, then so be it. That’s real life.
Great video as always!! I wonder if there is value in posting 2 separate 1000km times.... a normal driver, and then the Bjorn Ninja time. Most people are not going to do all these inconvenient things like turning off HVAC, so it would be a more fair comparison across brands and models.
A/C Compressor Power Consumption probably overreports x2 (200%). When it showed 10kW, real consumption was probably 5 kW (nominal A/C compressor output is 5 kW). But all your other observations about thermal throttling are valid.
I drove my enyaq to Germany last week, then there was also a queuing at ionity spekrød and varberg. but then I found a 150kw charger that was 500 meters away from circle k, and there was no queue
Unfortunately I can't start charging on the Circle K charger. I have Norwegian Circle K app but it only works in Norway. And the Swedish Circle K app is not available in my Norwegian app store. *facepalm*
@@bjornnyland oh, interesting. I wanted to charge at Circle I Sweden when I last rented an EV there but my UK phone (yes I am a Swede...) wouldn't let me download any app that would let me start charging at Circle K *facepalm*
@@bjornnyland It was not a circle k charger, it was a charger from the operator liikennvirta Oy. It seemed that no one showed about the charger, but it was to us a volkswagen dealer.
Hey Bjorn, lovely reviews. I work at a Volkswagen / Skoda dealer and had a delivery of this exact Enyaq. The customer said he had a colleague that didn’t manage to pull over 60/70 kwh even with an almost empty battery. Do you have any idea what this might be and also, can the battery be pre heated?
So I guess it won't do 500km at motorway speed then :) I ordered one just as they opened up for sales to replace my I3s so it will be interesting to see when it comes, the range was one of the things that made me go for the Enyaq over the BMW iX1/iX3 and MB EQC. The ID5 and Q4 was not really an option.
Hi, really good test. I actually would take the normal Enyaq not the Coupé. You can take more box like stuff with you. One more thing. Are you taking the wheel size into the account? That might give you more km with smaller once even when comparing with tesla.
The battery modules used in the MEB platform are quite big and only cooled from the bottom - not the best setup, especially compared to Tesla’s interleaved cooling lines.
What you need to do is check your Air Temperature / Ambient, which might be 30 *oC or so, but that is about 4-6 feet above the ground level. Measure 'Ground Temperature' as we get in the UK weather readings. So the Ground / Track Temp might be like in France at the F1, 50*oC. The battery is about 1 foot above the very hot ground sitting charging and the car is in the sun not in the shade. Only the car shading the ground. So measure the Air Temp between the Ground and the cars bottom.
Don't expect any software update to fix anything. I've been waiting for 1.5 years for my Enyaq to be able to schedule charges overnight (you can schedule them but they just don't start, just like ID3 and ID4) and no solution has come up yet...
Looks like sth is messed up with units on AC compressor. 1/10 of indicated power is more realistic (500W during regular run and 1kW during fast charging). If that would pull 5kW during drive that would affect consumption heavily ( and cause asphalt under a car to melt ;) )
@@bjornnyland yea, but tesla was able too cool battery down quite quickly while Skoda struggled. Guess you have all data so can compare range challenge vs 1000km challenge. If compressor was running at ~5kW during drive it had to impact efficiency heavily
Beginning of the week I also tried Ionity with model 3, because it was cheaper. Also tritium chargers. Some not working. It took me 9 min from park to start of the charging session. Quite annoying 😩
Hey Bjørn, Can you explain how electricity prices are in Norway? Generally I hear Norway is super expensive to live in, and I heard in a previous video of yours that you apparently generate 90%+ of your power from hydro generation.. Does that mean you have cheap electricity? And in that case, do the prices translate over to public chargers, Ionity, Superchargers etc etc? Like, compared to your trips to Sweden or other countries you've visited?? It's more a question regarding the state of prices in Norway, rather than an EV / charging question.. I'm generally interested in cost of living around the world :) Cheers from Dänemark
THX for that superb video. As Norway is about 6-7 years ahead of Germany when it comes to electrification and still there are Ladestaus. What do you think is going on here in Germany when we reach a level of electrification as you did ? Especially as Germany is a traffic crossing land for all countries surrounding us.
So in a country as hot as Israel (40C in the summer) , I will have to seat without air condition just because the charging will be bad ?.... this is a bad 2022 design ... So happy I own a Tesla...
Nice video.... can you recommend the enyaq rs?? I'm wanna buy one but I don't know if the planification system is good.. the car is correct about the % of battery before arrived to the charging station?... thanks..
@@bjornnyland you have seen an obd-dongle report such values. Think about it, the compressor would need to be twice the size of my home heat pump unit. And the Skoda one would be larger than the one in our office, running four inside units. Try finding the part specs.
Regarding AC high consumption: it could be a misinterpretation of the data read from the car by the scanner application (are the readings really in Watts?). It would be advisable to ask the manufacturer Skoda for an explanation.
With deliveries of the Ariya starting in Europe, how long do you think it will be till you get your hands on it to do comprehensive testing? I’m excited to get mine in the US and saw you already had some pretty good things to say about it.
I’m glad that my i3s doesn’t suffer from coldgate or heatgate. Last week it was 40 degrees here in the UK 🇬🇧 and I still charged at 49kwh with a battery temp of 36 degrees. In the winter when it’s 0 degrees I’m still charging at 46kwh when the ioniq 5 next to me is coldgating at 25kwh it’s so funny 🤣
I was thinking of getting the Enyaq Coupe RS as a follow up to my Enyaq IV80. This Video and als the ID.5 one shows me that VW Group again messed up with the Battery Management. They will probably promise to fix this with a Software Update which will take 2 years to arrive. I now decided for a more unpractical car (E-Tron GT) as i saw a lot of Road Trips in Texas and Florida Heat with those Cars and still pulling 250kw+.
Seems like there is something wrong with this battery. It is getting way too hot for the ambient temperature and the relatively conservative charging speeds VW uses, and it is requiring too much energy to cool it down. Even if the power consumption that the app is listing for AC compressor is incorrect (probably is), the temperature split between the inlet and the battery itself is too high. Seems like the cooling efficiency is poor. Also, I disagree with your assessment that Tesla uses air-to-liquid cooling for the battery. It uses the AC system exclusively. I’ve tested that on my own Model 3. It wouldn’t make sense to use exterior air to cool the battery, especially during the summer or warmer climates because the temperature split isn’t high enough.
In Germany I never used any supercharger yet with my Model 3. It's just crazy expensive compared to ionity, EnBW and co. However I will travel this saturday too and I expect queues at Ionity. At least most of the times I can just bit the bullet and simply charge at the supercharger or other HPCs 10km away or directly next to them, even if it's a lot more expensive. I think I also would have tried supercharging with the Enyaq at the last stop in the video, parking may be hard but somehow it will work, it always does. Ionity really is not a great network nowadays. They don't build new locations (or at least only sooo few that ou can count them on one hand in whole europe) and "expanding" for Ionity mean putting 6 chargers instead of 4 lol. What a crap network.
IONITY in Europe is around 0,80/KWh on the 350KW units... The superchargers are only 0,45/KWh of you have a Tesla. I'm back from a trip to France and with the Tesla network I have 0 stress about available chargers, waiting time etc. There's just so many stalls at each location, I've been at busy ones but there was always room. Beat that with FastNed or IONITY having 2 or 4 units at a gas station... I'm happily using both!
@@sneeuwberg I right now pay 30ct/kWh at Ionity in Germany, Superchargers are 56 to 58ct/kWh here. There simply is no reason to use them except when it's overcrowded on other chargers. 45ct/kWh supercharging, man what a dream of 2021 :D
@@kruemelfelix Is that 0,30/KWh at Ionity with or without a monthly plan? The Tesla chargers vary a bit in price, but my bill from yesterday is 28 kWh @ € 0,43/kWh = € 12,04 - that is only a few cents above what the regular 11KW AC places cost me. Belgium was a bit more expensive indeed, but still cheaper for me than Ionity without a plan. Alternatively you can also check Fastned. Happy motoring!
10 kW to the AC compressor!! With a COP of at least 2 that means 20 kW of heat having to be cooled away. That means a really terrible battery efficency with a charging loss of 15-20%. It can't be right.
Man, the cooling sistem in this car is the best example of how not to use it. I have a 24000 BTU non-inverter unit at home and it eats up significantly lower energy. To pull so much from the battery.... to cool the battery is pointless.
Charging points are becoming a nuisance. There seem to be a shortage of them on your route. I never saw so many EVs together. It is like another planet
Have you tried to drive with full regeneration or complete whitout? I've noticed my Kia E-niro use less battery with full regeneration. You could see it when you drive it on a little downhill road in s spead of 110 and you charge the battery more then you use.
For long highway stretches that shouldn't have impact, in these 1000km tests of Bjorn that shouldn't make any difference... The most potent thing here seems the 'rapidgate' issue
Then you should signal for them to get out of the way (blink your lights). Overtaking on the right is illegal in Denmark, so I guess it also is in Norway.
Because Norwegians don't know lane discipline. And Norwegians don't like being flashed at from behind. To avoid road rage, it's best to just overtake the Norwegians on the right lane (even though it's illegal - but remember that hogging the left lane is also illegal).
@@bjornnyland really? 🤔 Id say overtaking on the right is pretty dangerous because people might forget checking in the right mirror for traffic from behind once they stop hugging the left lane and switch to the right lane again. If people feel that I hog the left lane, then I'd much rather have them blink at me than overtake on the right. But usually they don't need to blink at me, since I know how they feel when they follow me at like 4 meters distance (morons) even when I'm going at the speed limit or above when I'm overtaking. In that situation I do my best to get out of the way of those maniacs as fast as possible.
@@bentmatt I would literally have to flash 90 percent of all road users in that case. They join the motorway and immediately move to either the middle lane or the left lane. Therefore I’m often two lanes over from them when I pass them on the right, so the risk of them colliding with me is very small I reckon. It really is a very strange driving culture in that sense. It’s like the lanes are reversed, so all the overtaking is done on the right and all the slower cars are in the middle or left…
Except in Norway they charge you an arm and a leg for gasoline or diesel so I wonder if only the rich buy ice cars in those places now and all the average people have to put up with the charging station silliness.
@@bjornnyland I was in Norway/Sweden 3 days ago and saw the same queue at major shopping malls, and that was only tesla superchargers. Really enjoyed just parking my ICE car and walk into the shopping center.
@@Cornelius87 just wait a few more years when everybody is driving in Ev's then demand for fuel will drop and hence also the price in the end it will be Cheaper to buy fuel than charging.
We did travl from Denmark to austria on friday, 1100 km, and at one charging stop in the south of germany the car only took 38kw, the outside temp was 30 degrees. Soo think it was the same problem we had....
135 kW is for the RWD versions. The AWD versions (ID5 and this one) has a different battery that goes to 175 kW but has a less flat charging curve vs the 135 kW.
@@javierpg6289 well yeah but ota was promised H2 of 2022. Having owned a model 3 where they break stuff with updates I'm kind of over OTA updates. All I want is a percentage displayed on the dash
@@enyaq_gorm Back in march 2021 VAG announced: "Volkswagen Promises One Major Over-The-Air Update Every Quarter For ID". It is just a complete failure. As you say, I have lowered my hopes so much that I just hope for the same % in the dashboard and perhaps a bit of android auto stability. I have already assumed this car software experience won't improve significantly over time.
I also think there's absolutely no way that the value given from the app is a real consumption of a car ac compressor . Totally nonsense . You can do a very easy test measuring total kWh from the battery at a certain time and then check again after one hour with the car standing still . Maybe a decimal indication is missing . My Kona 64 does display the ac consumption and rarely is higher than 1kwh .
@@990Hyper That doesn't make sense, I think you mean power (kw) and that is what your car is displaying (not the amount of energy consumed over a specific time span - kwh)
@@sallerc the display shows the consumption at that given time. If you run it over an hour , you get that your battery has really lost , that's 1kwh ( or less ). To consume 5 or 10 times more it's simply not possible for any car. Also because your range should be substantially devastated if you really have 10.000 wh of ac compressor sucked from the battery in addition to the motor itself !!
Looks like a clumsy car, can’t push the brake, need to turn off hvac before charging, it has active cooling but it overheats like crazy. German engineering at it’s best 😂
9200 watts for ac compressor? Is this even accurate that is INSANE. And the Battery is still stuck at 51 degrees which is nearing thermal runaway limit what a pile. I wonder if maybe different battery cells have anything to do with it? Because id4 should be the same like you say and 24 degrees.. it’s not even a hot day…
@@SirHackaL0t. thermal runaway isn’t fud lmao it’s physics. depends on the battery chemistry. 61 c ? Spending much time there will likely significantly reduce the life of the pack. Still that’s only a 8 degree delta. The Koreans I’ve noticed also push it a bit harder and take it up to 57 Celsius on the ev6 but we have yet to see how long these packs will last. But generally lithium ions don’t safely run much hotter than that.
Already problems with the number of free chargers? I can't thinsk the shit it wull get to when most of cars are electric. Useless shi. I'll stick to my 2.0 diesel.
I recently did a 9200km roadtrip with a Cupra Born (i.e. an id3), large parts of which was in Spain (just before the major heat wave though), and I also experienced extremely limited charging speeds after just 5-10min while you could hear the car running its AC on full trying to keep the battery cool.
Besides the potential software update that I guess could mitigate the issue somewhat, I'm still mind-blown why almost no chargers have roofs like any gas-station would; not only would it help keep batteries at optimal temperatures, the chargers themselves obviously have to cool down as well in the blistering sun (pulling power, even if not necessarily limiting charging speed, it's inefficient). And this is besides the fact that in most places, there is the thing called rain as well...
I was in that queue and I was impressed by how everyone started organizing it. Everyone was really nice and in a good mood. When a new car arrived someone told them how it worked and they drove to the back of the line without complaining.
Well everybody kind of have to fit in to get som power, can assure you most is really annoyed about it.
@@per6541 after a week driving in Europe I am very annoyed by queues to almost all charging stations. I just think it’s impressive that the drivers didn’t take that out on each other or tried to cut in the line.
@@johanandersson4776 I think its only a question of time before we see conflicts at EV charger stations, the frustration will at some point take over. its human nature.
@@per6541 so in the US we will get shootouts at chargers? Charger rage?
@@AndyBrandt well some US citizens go to school to shoot kids, so would not put it past you to shoot People at charger stations.
there is no way that compressor is pulling 10kW. that would give it 40kW+ of cooling power. there is no way that system can do that. a compressor that can actually do that will not even fit under the hood. (source: i work in commercial HVAC and work on big compressors)
So 400V AC compressor cannot take 25A?
Id.4 has 5.5kW VX81 A/C Compressor
@@jarnotyni3207 not a compressor that small no. a compressor that can do that would weigh something like 50kg at the least with space age materials. and dont forget it gets fed with 400VDC, not AC, the inverter that is also bolted to the compressor needs to be able to push 10kW into 3 phase AC to drive the compressor itself. its 99% likely that its the same compressor used in all other VAG cars wich is about 5kW peak and 2.5kW sustained.
Maybe it has 2 separate a/c units? One for the cabin and one for the battery? But that wouldnt make sense that it would pull 10 kW in total for the battery alone.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld Probably a Software related issue as usual for VW. Maybe they are also overloading those AC Compressors and destroy them.
I think the test should always carried out with the cabin kept to a comfortable temperature whilst charging - in winter or summer. People will often want to stay in the car when charging.
If that means a battery overheats, then so be it. That’s real life.
Great video as always!! I wonder if there is value in posting 2 separate 1000km times.... a normal driver, and then the Bjorn Ninja time. Most people are not going to do all these inconvenient things like turning off HVAC, so it would be a more fair comparison across brands and models.
A/C Compressor Power Consumption probably overreports x2 (200%). When it showed 10kW, real consumption was probably 5 kW (nominal A/C compressor output is 5 kW). But all your other observations about thermal throttling are valid.
I drove my enyaq to Germany last week, then there was also a queuing at ionity spekrød and varberg. but then I found a 150kw charger that was 500 meters away from circle k, and there was no queue
Unfortunately I can't start charging on the Circle K charger. I have Norwegian Circle K app but it only works in Norway. And the Swedish Circle K app is not available in my Norwegian app store. *facepalm*
@@bjornnyland that would kind of explain why there was no queue there...
@@bjornnyland Can't you start the charger with an RFID? I think you did in the fat beaver run (the one where you hit a moose on the return)
@@bjornnyland oh, interesting. I wanted to charge at Circle I Sweden when I last rented an EV there but my UK phone (yes I am a Swede...) wouldn't let me download any app that would let me start charging at Circle K *facepalm*
@@bjornnyland It was not a circle k charger, it was a charger from the operator liikennvirta Oy. It seemed that no one showed about the charger, but it was to us a volkswagen dealer.
Hey Bjorn, lovely reviews. I work at a Volkswagen / Skoda dealer and had a delivery of this exact Enyaq. The customer said he had a colleague that didn’t manage to pull over 60/70 kwh even with an almost empty battery. Do you have any idea what this might be and also, can the battery be pre heated?
So I guess it won't do 500km at motorway speed then :)
I ordered one just as they opened up for sales to replace my I3s so it will be interesting to see when it comes, the range was one of the things that made me go for the Enyaq over the BMW iX1/iX3 and MB EQC. The ID5 and Q4 was not really an option.
Hi, really good test. I actually would take the normal Enyaq not the Coupé. You can take more box like stuff with you. One more thing. Are you taking the wheel size into the account? That might give you more km with smaller once even when comparing with tesla.
The battery modules used in the MEB platform are quite big and only cooled from the bottom - not the best setup, especially compared to Tesla’s interleaved cooling lines.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Is that inside information or public available stuff? BR, Per (Bornholm)
What you need to do is check your Air Temperature / Ambient, which might be 30 *oC or so, but that is about 4-6 feet above the ground level. Measure 'Ground Temperature' as we get in the UK weather readings. So the Ground / Track Temp might be like in France at the F1, 50*oC. The battery is about 1 foot above the very hot ground sitting charging and the car is in the sun not in the shade. Only the car shading the ground. So measure the Air Temp between the Ground and the cars bottom.
Kudos for excellent Škoda pronunciation from CZ !
video 6.00 I think is the same as that we have at work. Battery 300 kwh and you can charge it with 250 kw , it takes 90 m to fill it up.
6:00
It’s so GREEN I love it
Don't expect any software update to fix anything. I've been waiting for 1.5 years for my Enyaq to be able to schedule charges overnight (you can schedule them but they just don't start, just like ID3 and ID4) and no solution has come up yet...
Looks like sth is messed up with units on AC compressor. 1/10 of indicated power is more realistic (500W during regular run and 1kW during fast charging). If that would pull 5kW during drive that would affect consumption heavily ( and cause asphalt under a car to melt ;) )
1 kW is way too low. I have seen Tesla pull 5-6 kW during Track Mode.
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@@bjornnyland yea, but tesla was able too cool battery down quite quickly while Skoda struggled. Guess you have all data so can compare range challenge vs 1000km challenge. If compressor was running at ~5kW during drive it had to impact efficiency heavily
Please confirm if what you ate (minute 23:10) is really called "Double Sausage Penetration". Thank you.
I think we need to test this car in the Spanish Summer over +40ºC
Say whaaaat! Theres a part 2!!! (Thanks for doing proper honest reviews, like really!!!)
Nice video Annie!
Beginning of the week I also tried Ionity with model 3, because it was cheaper. Also tritium chargers. Some not working. It took me 9 min from park to start of the charging session. Quite annoying 😩
Welcome Annie
Hey Bjørn,
Can you explain how electricity prices are in Norway? Generally I hear Norway is super expensive to live in, and I heard in a previous video of yours that you apparently generate 90%+ of your power from hydro generation.. Does that mean you have cheap electricity? And in that case, do the prices translate over to public chargers, Ionity, Superchargers etc etc? Like, compared to your trips to Sweden or other countries you've visited??
It's more a question regarding the state of prices in Norway, rather than an EV / charging question.. I'm generally interested in cost of living around the world :)
Cheers from Dänemark
THX for that superb video. As Norway is about 6-7 years ahead of Germany when it comes to electrification and still there are Ladestaus. What do you think is going on here in Germany when we reach a level of electrification as you did ? Especially as Germany is a traffic crossing land for all countries surrounding us.
So in a country as hot as Israel (40C in the summer) , I will have to seat without air condition just because the charging will be bad ?.... this is a bad 2022 design ... So happy I own a Tesla...
Nice video.... can you recommend the enyaq rs?? I'm wanna buy one but I don't know if the planification system is good.. the car is correct about the % of battery before arrived to the charging station?... thanks..
Yes
I bet there is an one zero two much. My first floor heat pump in my house is 2,5kw.
Nope. I have seen Tesla pull 5-6 kW for cooling down the battery during Track Mode.
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@@bjornnyland you have seen an obd-dongle report such values. Think about it, the compressor would need to be twice the size of my home heat pump unit. And the Skoda one would be larger than the one in our office, running four inside units. Try finding the part specs.
Did you not watch my video? Watch it. Tesla pulls 6 kW for cooling.
Makes me wonder if the battery coolant isn't run through a radiator "passively" and only through the AC system, very inefficient.
Good stuff as per usual bjorn, like that reminder to always bring calories 😎👍
Regarding AC high consumption: it could be a misinterpretation of the data read from the car by the scanner application (are the readings really in Watts?). It would be advisable to ask the manufacturer Skoda for an explanation.
10kw is way too much power for HVAC. Can you confirm that OBD data is decoded correctly? Try using other app and compare the results.
The perfect car would be Skoda Enyaq Coupé RS looks whit the Tesla software and cooling tech...
@@davids.6671 That would be also nice, but Tesla really needs to fix the model 3 front bumper! I hate the duck nose! 🤣
@@rogerstarkey5390 I like it, but the one thing that bothers me is that it was not originally built as an electric car. :/
With deliveries of the Ariya starting in Europe, how long do you think it will be till you get your hands on it to do comprehensive testing? I’m excited to get mine in the US and saw you already had some pretty good things to say about it.
Björn waiting for your 1000 Challenge on the Mercedes EQXX 😁👌
The back of the Enyaq Coupe and the front of the Kia EV6. Baaaaam
Wow so many new EV. Good good
I’m glad that my i3s doesn’t suffer from coldgate or heatgate. Last week it was 40 degrees here in the UK 🇬🇧 and I still charged at 49kwh with a battery temp of 36 degrees. In the winter when it’s 0 degrees I’m still charging at 46kwh when the ioniq 5 next to me is coldgating at 25kwh it’s so funny 🤣
BMW i3 actually has a designflaw that makes it overheat as well.
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@Bjørn Nyland Which Android app are you using to display the values?
Car Scanner
Thanks
@@bjornnyland which one?
I was thinking of getting the Enyaq Coupe RS as a follow up to my Enyaq IV80. This Video and als the ID.5 one shows me that VW Group again messed up with the Battery Management. They will probably promise to fix this with a Software Update which will take 2 years to arrive. I now decided for a more unpractical car (E-Tron GT) as i saw a lot of Road Trips in Texas and Florida Heat with those Cars and still pulling 250kw+.
Good shit Bojon, love your content.
Annie are you okay?
She cooking, well over 123°F
the future is bright, everyone standing in line every 50km to top up the battery
Seems like there is something wrong with this battery. It is getting way too hot for the ambient temperature and the relatively conservative charging speeds VW uses, and it is requiring too much energy to cool it down. Even if the power consumption that the app is listing for AC compressor is incorrect (probably is), the temperature split between the inlet and the battery itself is too high. Seems like the cooling efficiency is poor.
Also, I disagree with your assessment that Tesla uses air-to-liquid cooling for the battery. It uses the AC system exclusively. I’ve tested that on my own Model 3. It wouldn’t make sense to use exterior air to cool the battery, especially during the summer or warmer climates because the temperature split isn’t high enough.
Same applies for ID5. Nothing wrong with this battery.
Is this only for Skoda or for Audi and VW MEB cars as well?
If Porsche is also having these issues I’d imagine it’s pretty much all of them at this point.
What is the app you are using to read the information from the car?
Car Scanner
@@bjornnyland Thanks
What APP are you using on your phone? I would like to get that to monitor my Polestar 2. Thanks in advance.
Car Scanner
In Germany I never used any supercharger yet with my Model 3. It's just crazy expensive compared to ionity, EnBW and co.
However I will travel this saturday too and I expect queues at Ionity. At least most of the times I can just bit the bullet and simply charge at the supercharger or other HPCs 10km away or directly next to them, even if it's a lot more expensive.
I think I also would have tried supercharging with the Enyaq at the last stop in the video, parking may be hard but somehow it will work, it always does.
Ionity really is not a great network nowadays. They don't build new locations (or at least only sooo few that ou can count them on one hand in whole europe) and "expanding" for Ionity mean putting 6 chargers instead of 4 lol. What a crap network.
IONITY in Europe is around 0,80/KWh on the 350KW units... The superchargers are only 0,45/KWh of you have a Tesla. I'm back from a trip to France and with the Tesla network I have 0 stress about available chargers, waiting time etc. There's just so many stalls at each location, I've been at busy ones but there was always room. Beat that with FastNed or IONITY having 2 or 4 units at a gas station... I'm happily using both!
@@sneeuwberg I right now pay 30ct/kWh at Ionity in Germany, Superchargers are 56 to 58ct/kWh here.
There simply is no reason to use them except when it's overcrowded on other chargers. 45ct/kWh supercharging, man what a dream of 2021 :D
@@kruemelfelix Is that 0,30/KWh at Ionity with or without a monthly plan? The Tesla chargers vary a bit in price, but my bill from yesterday is 28 kWh @ € 0,43/kWh = € 12,04 - that is only a few cents above what the regular 11KW AC places cost me. Belgium was a bit more expensive indeed, but still cheaper for me than Ionity without a plan. Alternatively you can also check Fastned. Happy motoring!
Useless for Australia, its frequently 40 degrees in summer
On the upside, we don't have many rapid charging stations, so you'd mainly trickle charge it and avoid overheating that way. 😉
@@ad_fletch true mate, only one DC charger in my town and it's 30 minutes away. Heaps of 7Kw stations popping up at shopping centres which is great
10 kW to the AC compressor!! With a COP of at least 2 that means 20 kW of heat having to be cooled away. That means a really terrible battery efficency with a charging loss of 15-20%. It can't be right.
ladestau. 10 years after SuperCharger network launch. How sad.
Man, the cooling sistem in this car is the best example of how not to use it. I have a 24000 BTU non-inverter unit at home and it eats up significantly lower energy. To pull so much from the battery.... to cool the battery is pointless.
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@@bjornnyland special combo from an early nintendo beat 'em up "Double sausage!" :D :D
Charging points are becoming a nuisance. There seem to be a shortage of them on your route. I never saw so many EVs together. It is like another planet
Did you not watch the video? I mentioned and showed that Tesla has plenty of open stalls.
@@bjornnyland I don't understand why people lined up for 20 minutes then or used 50kW chargers. I didn't get it
Because they don't know that 50 m away Tesla opened up the supercharger.
Have you tried to drive with full regeneration or complete whitout?
I've noticed my Kia E-niro use less battery with full regeneration.
You could see it when you drive it on a little downhill road in s spead of 110 and you charge the battery more then you use.
For long highway stretches that shouldn't have impact, in these 1000km tests of Bjorn that shouldn't make any difference... The most potent thing here seems the 'rapidgate' issue
No difference.
Nice vid! Why not interview Tritium-People?
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10 kW just for Cooling?
"Brain Cooler"... :-D :-D
Why do Norwegians hog the middle or left lane? When I drive in Norway, I generally overtake more on the right than on the left… very strange
Then you should signal for them to get out of the way (blink your lights). Overtaking on the right is illegal in Denmark, so I guess it also is in Norway.
Because Norwegians don't know lane discipline. And Norwegians don't like being flashed at from behind. To avoid road rage, it's best to just overtake the Norwegians on the right lane (even though it's illegal - but remember that hogging the left lane is also illegal).
@@bjornnyland really? 🤔 Id say overtaking on the right is pretty dangerous because people might forget checking in the right mirror for traffic from behind once they stop hugging the left lane and switch to the right lane again. If people feel that I hog the left lane, then I'd much rather have them blink at me than overtake on the right. But usually they don't need to blink at me, since I know how they feel when they follow me at like 4 meters distance (morons) even when I'm going at the speed limit or above when I'm overtaking. In that situation I do my best to get out of the way of those maniacs as fast as possible.
Quite low risk to overtake Norwegians on the right lane since they are camping on the left lane all day anyway...
@@bentmatt I would literally have to flash 90 percent of all road users in that case.
They join the motorway and immediately move to either the middle lane or the left lane. Therefore I’m often two lanes over from them when I pass them on the right, so the risk of them colliding with me is very small I reckon.
It really is a very strange driving culture in that sense. It’s like the lanes are reversed, so all the overtaking is done on the right and all the slower cars are in the middle or left…
Seeing those queue at the charger stations makes me even happier with my ICE car 😂
Did you not watch the video? The queue can easily be avoided. Just use Tesla supercharger.
Except in Norway they charge you an arm and a leg for gasoline or diesel so I wonder if only the rich buy ice cars in those places now and all the average people have to put up with the charging station silliness.
Remember the queues at petrol stations in the UK a few months ago? Unlikely to be the last time....
@@bjornnyland I was in Norway/Sweden 3 days ago and saw the same queue at major shopping malls, and that was only tesla superchargers. Really enjoyed just parking my ICE car and walk into the shopping center.
@@Cornelius87 just wait a few more years when everybody is driving in Ev's then demand for fuel will drop and hence also the price in the end it will be Cheaper to buy fuel than charging.
Ionity chose to use tritium chargers and thus they're also at fault
its the same for the RWD cars with the new 2.4 ID Software update and up (3.0..).. They royale fucked the BMS up..
You can open all the windows from the key
Even my 2010 had this feature, nice for the hotter days.
We did travl from Denmark to austria on friday, 1100 km, and at one charging stop in the south of germany the car only took 38kw, the outside temp was 30 degrees. Soo think it was the same problem we had....
Yeah reduced charging likely to avoid high battery temp :(
Wait...... According to škoda the cars have a max charge rate of 135 kW. How did you get these higher rates?
135 kW is for the RWD versions. The AWD versions (ID5 and this one) has a different battery that goes to 175 kW but has a less flat charging curve vs the 135 kW.
@@bjornnyland aaaaah OK. I'm still stuck on 100 awaiting the 3.0 update
@@enyaq_gorm and the quarterly software updates they announced with improvements, right? :)
@@javierpg6289 well yeah but ota was promised H2 of 2022. Having owned a model 3 where they break stuff with updates I'm kind of over OTA updates. All I want is a percentage displayed on the dash
@@enyaq_gorm Back in march 2021 VAG announced: "Volkswagen Promises One Major Over-The-Air Update Every Quarter For ID". It is just a complete failure. As you say, I have lowered my hopes so much that I just hope for the same % in the dashboard and perhaps a bit of android auto stability. I have already assumed this car software experience won't improve significantly over time.
Battery kaput?
Or cooling problem
Sum ting wong here
Works as designed. Same "issue" with ID5 and I suppose other MEB cars as well. But this might not be a problem since the other cars don't hit 175 kW.
Not impressed with the MEB platform to be honest..
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I also think there's absolutely no way that the value given from the app is a real consumption of a car ac compressor . Totally nonsense . You can do a very easy test measuring total kWh from the battery at a certain time and then check again after one hour with the car standing still . Maybe a decimal indication is missing . My Kona 64 does display the ac consumption and rarely is higher than 1kwh .
Do you mean 1kw? Or if you do mean 1kwh, during how long time span?
1kwh , 1000 watt per hour
@@990Hyper That doesn't make sense, I think you mean power (kw) and that is what your car is displaying (not the amount of energy consumed over a specific time span - kwh)
@@sallerc the display shows the consumption at that given time. If you run it over an hour , you get that your battery has really lost , that's 1kwh ( or less ). To consume 5 or 10 times more it's simply not possible for any car. Also because your range should be substantially devastated if you really have 10.000 wh of ac compressor sucked from the battery in addition to the motor itself !!
Do we call you Annie now? Does the car know something we don't?
6:35 only fans mode lol🤣
Why Tesla?
That's why.
#ladestau
RIP Enyaq
And this car calls itself RS (Rennsport). Quite the joke.
RS has been around for decades on lots of different makes of cars. Usually means rallye sport.
@@rjbiker66 even worse.
Looks like a clumsy car, can’t push the brake, need to turn off hvac before charging, it has active cooling but it overheats like crazy. German engineering at it’s best 😂
Live in NY i see few battery cars here and there, but in this video is just crazy with changing and all battery cars ,disaster.
So you can't realistically rapid charge while using the car's climate control? Automatic pass for me. Dog mode for pets/groceries spoiled me.
This car needs an octovalve
Probably not a great california car.
9200 watts for ac compressor? Is this even accurate that is INSANE. And the Battery is still stuck at 51 degrees which is nearing thermal runaway limit what a pile. I wonder if maybe different battery cells have anything to do with it? Because id4 should be the same like you say and 24 degrees.. it’s not even a hot day…
I don’t think it’s anywhere near thermal runaway, that’s just FUD.
Tesla routinely go up to 61C without any issues.
@@SirHackaL0t. thermal runaway isn’t fud lmao it’s physics. depends on the battery chemistry. 61 c ? Spending much time there will likely significantly reduce the life of the pack. Still that’s only a 8 degree delta. The Koreans I’ve noticed also push it a bit harder and take it up to 57 Celsius on the ev6 but we have yet to see how long these packs will last. But generally lithium ions don’t safely run much hotter than that.
@@Jushwa Yes, but the FUD is thinking it would happen at 40C.
@@SirHackaL0t. when did I say 40 degree
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If the Skoda is so bad on DC charging i will never buy it.
Such a shonky setup with the battery cooling. Wow, nice job VAG.
6:35 Only fans mode? Interesting 🤔
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So you cannot cool inside of the car while charging without rapid gate. Shit design.
Already problems with the number of free chargers? I can't thinsk the shit it wull get to when most of cars are electric. Useless shi. I'll stick to my 2.0 diesel.
First!
Gas Car is Better..👻
Explain why
@@Mues_Lee pump & go… no charging…😄
@@bernandoturner4840 but you can’t easily fill your tank at home :(
@@Jushwa Gas Stations are everywhere I go…. Not a long wait..😁
@@Jushwa I bet your Electric bill is Triple…🫢