@@tutteturunen6822 thats why its a shame the presidents cup should be open to all of our best golfers no matter who they golf for. Its supposed to be USA against everyone else instead it's the pga tour against everyone else. So it should be called the pga cup
@@tutteturunen6822 ya I'm aware of that. It's stupid how they make it sound like it's the USA vs international countries. Its needs to be called pga cup if only pga players can participate. The pga needs to grow up regarding liv. They are not going anywhere.
I’ve been saying for years the Internationals will someday be the strongest of the 3 teams. I have no problem when teams dominate even for an extended period of time. As Tiger would say it is what it is. The sad part for the presidents cup team is that they are deep enough to win but they desperately need access to the LIv players. Joaco (second in LIv) Cam 7th Burmester 9th Ancer 12th Ortiz. 13th Oostheisen (6th) is ahead of Leishman (15th); and everyone else for that matter except Joaco. Lahiri at 16th on LIv would also merit strong consideration. If everyone could be considered this international team would be represented by more countries and regions. And frankly be a better and more interesting team to watch. But on the bright side 3 canadiens will get to play at home, which is nice…for Canada. Personally I think these two teams will be closer than peeps think and I’m not ruling out an upset. But for me how competitive it is is not as important as The biggest stars and best players being there for both sides. That’s where they lose me a little. And think a lot of people. Kudos to the PGA but they really need a qualifier system for LIv for the PGA championship. Hopefully that comes soon. Because the best players being in the majors imo is much more important than these team events. Much much much more important.
I don’t follow LIV, but there needs to be a pathway for LIV players to play in majors and for the team events! It’d be great to see some combined events too! I don’t believe the door should be open for PGA Tour players to play on LIV and vise versa though. Pick one tour and stay there!
Tom Kim may have single handedly made this President's cup worth watching. But I am getting some national/geographic golf viewing fatigue: Curtis Cup, Solheim Cup. Ryder Cup, President's Cup, College Amateur golf. The only golf I don't watch is pro golf....what a snore.
Sure they are allowed to play. But they only get 4 chances (majors) to make enough points. On top of that they don’t get to earn points to get into the majors.
Real simple, the PGA needs to remove their heads out of their respective %$$#@, check the egos at the door and make a deal. The ship has sailed on whether LIV is gonna make it, like it or not and the fan experience is at an all-time low. Just simply look at the viewing numbers. As far as LIV players giving money back, what a joke. The top 20 players on the PGA Tour have become super rich because of LIV and by the way, this whole Premier or Elevated event crap, what a joke. We need to have Full representation for the Ryder Cup, President's Cup, etc or why have these events.
Until the International Team can start winning, this event, it will basically be a feel good event for the USA until the Ryder Cup comes around again. The Ryder Cup, since, Europe as a whole was added, now has a built in "animosity". Who can forget Olazabal dancing on the green after Europe won a Muirfield Village or the "War by the Shore". Maybe the President's Cup has some intersting Sunday finals, but face it, it is not the emotional feelings of the Ryder Cup and it is doubtful it never will unless the Internationals start fielding winning teams.
@@DMKFACTOR Too much money, some will go to LIV. Probably not the caliber of Rahm & Hatton, but next level players can't ALL turn down generation changing money. They all are professionals (which means they play for MONEY)
@@DMKFACTOR The US government is 35 trillion in debt -- but they keep on losing money. The Saudi's have an endless supply of money. LIV is expanding each year, Golf is a global game, you can't just go by the US market.
In 20 years, they plan to fix the Presidents cup. Until then, as a golfer, I’ll watch the Ryder cup. Better golf, more interesting golf. More diverse players. Check with me in 2044 and I’ll let you know if the presidents cup is worth watching. Until then, I’ll ignore the bought and paid for golf media. Keep your questioning and discussing which is far different than espousing opinions that others are paid to support. You see, I didn’t even mention the P word. The obvious person and group that farted in the crowded elevator and blamed another, not present group.
Players made themselves ineligible by violating Tour membership rules, and are still on suspension from those Tours by choice, which Presidents Cup is a part of. Good that the teams are appropriate and support the game and its fans globally. Some will imagine a ' Liv Vs PGA ' thing, except Livv hasnt produced any players to make a team, PIF keeps their employees from getting OWGR points, players in Livv ' teams ' behold the least interest & viewing in golf, and the employees in Livv exhibitions play 8 tournaments a maximum.
The PGAT answers to an elite group of corporate sob’s who have their heads up their ass …care only about controlling their own interests . LIV is kicking ass and should be the focus of professional golf going forward. The fanbase and spectators have embraced LIV golf and it needs all the attention the PGAT doesn’t want it to get ! The death of the PGA isn’t far off .
You typed the exact opposite of golf reality. Even Livv CEO, Rumyyan, told the employees that Livv is staying on its own. It's not like any Tour will go near Livv exhibitions losing over $60 millionUS each time and carry that debt for nothing. Rumyyan went to USPGAT to have them not go ahead with suing them after it was awarded in counterclaim, and to invest PIF $$$ into Tour golf away from Livv, which has to be approved by US Govt. first anyway. USPGAT has media and sponsors up to 2030 and investors still waiting in line, while Livv pays a network barely known and had its highest ticket selling exhibitions in Oz lose over $90 million each in that countries currency. PIF needs over double USPGAT revanue to break even, but Livv has reached its limit with nothing on the horizon given the liw viewing and near zero business interest to date.
I think this is a lot of talk about nothing, of course the home team has an advantage what sport is that not true. The only exception to that is the presidents where we all know who is going to win 🏆 so you’re basically saying you wish the presidents cup was bigger because the Americans win all the time. As for the Liv situation both of these team events you are supposed to be representing your country/countries not your tour so why can’t everyone be selected, get the politics out of our sport
I love that the Americans think they own golf as a sport. I think generally the world tours should ban PGA players from tournaments outside the USA, until they learn to play nice.
The US doesn't own the sport but they do have the higher quality players and that's just pure math; more golfers to choose from honed in higher, consistent competition. There's a reason the vast majority of college level golfers around the world come to the USA to play: competition and courses are better in greater numbers.
@@TMar1961 They go to the USA because the money is better. Not because of the competition. That includes sponsorship. Once LIV offers more money there is no reason for non-Americans to play on the PGA tour. If the US Open, wont let world players in unless they play on the American tour, then it really isn't an "Open" Competition any more. Someone should start another US Open that really is Open.
@@TheToledoTrumpton 100% incorrect. NO WHERE in the world does the university system have anywhere close to the same level of competition or courses. Facts not an opinion. When I say 'it's just math' I mean there are so many more players in the USA to choose from and you will get a better crop as a result. As for the Pros, DPWT doesnt have the same skill level as PGA on the whole either. As far as the PGA, LIV and the Majors I totally agree. At least the USGA has come out and plainly said LIV players would be eligible for the Players Championship and Ryder Cup. Remember NONE of the Majors are controlled by the PGA Tour, it's up to each's governing body to make that choice and send out invites.
This argument is so stupid and old now, these guys knew what they were doing when they left they knew the consequences and did it anyway. If people don’t want to watch because liv guys are left out so what. The people who bitch about this kind of stuff are the problem anyways.
Its a Queensland mentality thing just ask NSW. (NRL) Yes I know they are all Australian but year after year against all adversity Queensland beat a highly favoured NSW team. Just as the LIV Ripper team beat the more fancied teams. PGA Tour crippled Australian Golf you just have to see LIV and how it has grown overnight into a huge event in Australia's forth largest City. Imagine how Melbourne crowds would attend in their hundred of thousands.
Liv vs pga for the cup coming soon that’s where the money is ,No brainer
Could see it. Curious the eyeballs the LIV v PGA "Match" will bring in.
Why no Ryan Fox? Again are you kidding?
Pretty sad the 2024 us open champion pretty much isn't allowed to participate in the president cup.
Why? He isnt member of PGA Tour.
@@tutteturunen6822 thats why its a shame the presidents cup should be open to all of our best golfers no matter who they golf for. Its supposed to be USA against everyone else instead it's the pga tour against everyone else. So it should be called the pga cup
@@njorgnjorg6057 international side has to be pga tour member also. Pga Tour organizes it
@@tutteturunen6822 ya I'm aware of that. It's stupid how they make it sound like it's the USA vs international countries. Its needs to be called pga cup if only pga players can participate. The pga needs to grow up regarding liv. They are not going anywhere.
@@njorgnjorg6057 sure they are. LIV isnt making any money. It can come to an end in few years if saudi's says so
Half the International Team is playing for LIV
Maybe more
@@DanielSong39 can you name them? All i can think of is niemann
@@tutteturunen6822 It's OK to admit you're a PGA Tour fan
@@DanielSong39 can you name them? And 100% say they are better in 2024
The international team could have had the entire Torque team play for them, in addition to Cam Smith, Leishman, and the South African's
@@patrickmorris9525 they would have 0 chance to get to that team. Its 2024 my guy. Cam smith cant even break a par
I’ve been saying for years the Internationals will someday be the strongest of the 3 teams.
I have no problem when teams dominate even for an extended period of time. As Tiger would say it is what it is.
The sad part for the presidents cup team is that they are deep enough to win but they desperately need access to the LIv players.
Joaco (second in LIv)
Cam 7th
Burmester 9th
Ancer 12th
Ortiz. 13th
Oostheisen (6th) is ahead of Leishman (15th); and everyone else for that matter except Joaco.
Lahiri at 16th on LIv would also merit strong consideration.
If everyone could be considered this international team would be represented by more countries and regions. And frankly be a better and more interesting team to watch.
But on the bright side 3 canadiens will get to play at home, which is nice…for Canada.
Personally I think these two teams will be closer than peeps think and I’m not ruling out an upset.
But for me how competitive it is is not as important as The biggest stars and best players being there for both sides.
That’s where they lose me a little. And think a lot of people.
Kudos to the PGA but they really need a qualifier system for LIv for the PGA championship. Hopefully that comes soon. Because the best players being in the majors imo is much more important than these team events. Much much much more important.
I don’t follow LIV, but there needs to be a pathway for LIV players to play in majors and for the team events! It’d be great to see some combined events too! I don’t believe the door should be open for PGA Tour players to play on LIV and vise versa though. Pick one tour and stay there!
No way the presidents cup will be bigger than the ryder cup because it's a one way traffic for the usa in the ryder it's different
Nice hat! I worked at Cabot Links in 2019. Awesome spot.
We played it a couple months ago - filmed on our main channel @golficity
Tom Kim may have single handedly made this President's cup worth watching. But I am getting some national/geographic golf viewing fatigue: Curtis Cup, Solheim Cup. Ryder Cup, President's Cup, College Amateur golf. The only golf I don't watch is pro golf....what a snore.
Sure they are allowed to play. But they only get 4 chances (majors) to make enough points. On top of that they don’t get to earn points to get into the majors.
Real simple, the PGA needs to remove their heads out of their respective %$$#@, check the egos at the door and make a deal. The ship has sailed on whether LIV is gonna make it, like it or not and the fan experience is at an all-time low. Just simply look at the viewing numbers. As far as LIV players giving money back, what a joke. The top 20 players on the PGA Tour have become super rich because of LIV and by the way, this whole Premier or Elevated event crap, what a joke. We need to have Full representation for the Ryder Cup, President's Cup, etc or why have these events.
The US gets to play every year with the rotation, i say there should be a new cup between europe and the internationals
Until the International Team can start winning, this event, it will basically be a feel good event for the USA until the Ryder Cup comes around again. The Ryder Cup, since, Europe as a whole was added, now has a built in "animosity". Who can forget Olazabal dancing on the green after Europe won a Muirfield Village or the "War by the Shore". Maybe the President's Cup has some intersting Sunday finals, but face it, it is not the emotional feelings of the Ryder Cup and it is doubtful it never will unless the Internationals start fielding winning teams.
They need to get rid of the presidents cup. It’s a loser from a business standpoint point and generates even lower tv ratings…
It will be interesting to see who from the PGAT moves over to LIV this off season.
What happens if no one does?
@@DMKFACTOR Too much money, some will go to LIV. Probably not the caliber of Rahm & Hatton, but next level players can't ALL turn down generation changing money. They all are professionals (which means they play for MONEY)
@@joelbland5239 The problem is the LIV business model. You can’t keep losing money!
@@DMKFACTOR The US government is 35 trillion in debt -- but they keep on losing money. The Saudi's have an endless supply of money. LIV is expanding each year, Golf is a global game, you can't just go by the US market.
19:50 @@DMKFACTOR
Journalists doing the bidding of the PGAT. The PGAT owns President’s Cup
A lot of diving in here ...
Who cares? I sure don’t.
For me, personally, I’d rather watch Bryson’s RUclips efforts to break 50 in a Scramble than watch any meaningless LIV event.
Nothing to settle, if your not a part of the pga then be gone! Take your money and liv!
Pres Cup has always sucked, but now it’s just an embarrassment with the LIV stuff
They need to add female golfers to try and make it more competitive. 10 in a row for USA what’s the point of even watching anymore.
In 20 years, they plan to fix the Presidents cup. Until then, as a golfer, I’ll watch the Ryder cup. Better golf, more interesting golf. More diverse players. Check with me in 2044 and I’ll let you know if the presidents cup is worth watching. Until then, I’ll ignore the bought and paid for golf media. Keep your questioning and discussing which is far different than espousing opinions that others are paid to support.
You see, I didn’t even mention the P word. The obvious person and group that farted in the crowded elevator and blamed another, not present group.
Players made themselves ineligible by violating Tour membership rules, and are still on suspension from those Tours by choice, which Presidents Cup is a part of. Good that the teams are appropriate and support the game and its fans globally. Some will imagine a ' Liv Vs PGA ' thing, except Livv hasnt produced any players to make a team, PIF keeps their employees from getting OWGR points, players in Livv ' teams ' behold the least interest & viewing in golf, and the employees in Livv exhibitions play 8 tournaments a maximum.
It’s a waste of time
The PGAT answers to an elite group of corporate sob’s who have their heads up their ass …care only about controlling their own interests . LIV is kicking ass and should be the focus of professional golf going forward. The fanbase and spectators have embraced LIV golf and it needs all the attention the PGAT doesn’t want it to get ! The death of the PGA isn’t far off .
You typed the exact opposite of golf reality. Even Livv CEO, Rumyyan, told the employees that Livv is staying on its own. It's not like any Tour will go near Livv exhibitions losing over $60 millionUS each time and carry that debt for nothing. Rumyyan went to USPGAT to have them not go ahead with suing them after it was awarded in counterclaim, and to invest PIF $$$ into Tour golf away from Livv, which has to be approved by US Govt. first anyway. USPGAT has media and sponsors up to 2030 and investors still waiting in line, while Livv pays a network barely known and had its highest ticket selling exhibitions in Oz lose over $90 million each in that countries currency. PIF needs over double USPGAT revanue to break even, but Livv has reached its limit with nothing on the horizon given the liw viewing and near zero business interest to date.
I think this is a lot of talk about nothing, of course the home team has an advantage what sport is that not true. The only exception to that is the presidents where we all know who is going to win 🏆 so you’re basically saying you wish the presidents cup was bigger because the Americans win all the time. As for the Liv situation both of these team events you are supposed to be representing your country/countries not your tour so why can’t everyone be selected, get the politics out of our sport
I love that the Americans think they own golf as a sport. I think generally the world tours should ban PGA players from tournaments outside the USA, until they learn to play nice.
The US doesn't own the sport but they do have the higher quality players and that's just pure math; more golfers to choose from honed in higher, consistent competition. There's a reason the vast majority of college level golfers around the world come to the USA to play: competition and courses are better in greater numbers.
@@TMar1961 They go to the USA because the money is better. Not because of the competition. That includes sponsorship.
Once LIV offers more money there is no reason for non-Americans to play on the PGA tour. If the US Open, wont let world players in unless they play on the American tour, then it really isn't an "Open" Competition any more. Someone should start another US Open that really is Open.
@@TheToledoTrumpton 100% incorrect. NO WHERE in the world does the university system have anywhere close to the same level of competition or courses. Facts not an opinion. When I say 'it's just math' I mean there are so many more players in the USA to choose from and you will get a better crop as a result. As for the Pros, DPWT doesnt have the same skill level as PGA on the whole either.
As far as the PGA, LIV and the Majors I totally agree. At least the USGA has come out and plainly said LIV players would be eligible for the Players Championship and Ryder Cup. Remember NONE of the Majors are controlled by the PGA Tour, it's up to each's governing body to make that choice and send out invites.
@@TheToledoTrumpton So what about the invitation only Masters why should it be a major.
@@williampalmer6712 Why does a major have to be Open?
This argument is so stupid and old now, these guys knew what they were doing when they left they knew the consequences and did it anyway. If people don’t want to watch because liv guys are left out so what. The people who bitch about this kind of stuff are the problem anyways.
president cup is lame
The presidents cup sucks. Stop trying to be edgy and act like it’s going to overtake the Ryder cup.
Whats Presidant Cup .. Trump vs Harris 😅. Dont care, as fun as looking paint drying
The rest of the world is so trash they need to unite to take on ONE country 😂
Cam Smith doesn't seem too concerned about this stuff.
His team and how unified they have become appears to be extremely rewarding.
😎✌️⛳️🏌♀️
Its a Queensland mentality thing just ask NSW. (NRL) Yes I know they are all Australian but year after year against all adversity Queensland beat a highly favoured NSW team. Just as the LIV Ripper team beat the more fancied teams. PGA Tour crippled Australian Golf you just have to see LIV and how it has grown overnight into a huge event in Australia's forth largest City. Imagine how Melbourne crowds would attend in their hundred of thousands.