Outdoor Wood Burner. Is it WORTH IT? (4 Years later)
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- We've been using our Outdoor Wood Burner for 4 years now and in today's video we decide if it was worth the investment or not. If you are considering an outdoor woodburner, watch this video! We discuss the pros and cons of our Central Boiler and outdoor wood burners in general.
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hi have you ever considered collaring or girdling tree. So it drys standing up without worrying about it rotting. Most people also believe it is faster.
HomeSteadHow where are you guys? We live outside of Philadelphia and have definitely considered moving much further out and living life much more simply
@@ml7049 "living life much more simply" did you watch the video or not? :-)
Just wondering why your not stoking the heater with 4 foot logs instead of all those small pieces? Most folks in my area use full logs.
HomeSteadHow I know people who have the outside wood burner there are ways to get free wood.
Go to your municipal for wood
Call all farmers
Ask landscapers
The larger units or more efficient because you can use half the trunk to burn for almost the whole entire day and you don’t have to cut
Living with that many women I would probably want to spend large amounts of time cutting and gathering wood too.
Just kidding, enjoy your big happy family. Cheers.
my favorite comment "this... this is why I drink" :)
I thought the same thing but iam glad you said it!:)
That is why a lot of men worked a shit load of overtime, one to pay for everything, two don't want to go home
I'm a single woman who has an outdoor furnace!
Are you a Mormon who is allowed to have many wives? If so then you are the KING AND I STAR IN YOUR COUNTY (YUL BRYNNER)! Many cheers and advance Merry Christmanss and a Happy New Year! JUST JOKING! LOL!
You got my thumbs up just for the Argo move and the camera grab and go
That was my thought. Nice moves!
I came here to say that too! That was the smoothest shit I've ever seen.
😂😂😂 whipping it in the Argo 🤙😎
As a kid I split 5-10 cords a year for my parents house, and then would go lift weights after swinging that maul in the afternoon. Best shape I was ever in. As soon as I left at 18, my parents put in a propane furnace. Go figure.
Their free labor left home..
At least you know they missed you!
That's it
Nice , it's great excercise
i use to do that but for the last 25 years i have had a wood splitter, i can go for 8 hours non stop and get all my wood split and the only thing why i would want to stop is i get sick of slitting wood
"You gotta cut the wood, you gotta STACK the wood"
This guy: points at unstacked pile of firewood 😂
point taken :) Ive been stacking wood lately like a madman though. At one time we had so much wood in the shed there wasn't room for more. I planned to feed the first pile into the wood burner- but it rained, snowed and froze. I procrastinated!
Firewood heats you twice, once when you cut & split it. Twice when you burn it. Lol
You got wood gumbo, wood and rice...
@@Homesteadhow my neighbor stacks his wood. but he stacks it on pallets probably 5-5.5’ high. then just moves them as needed with his tractor.
@@8.21productions9 I like this idea!
Great video! I installed a Central Boiler stove 18 years ago when my twin girls were just a tad younger than yours. They are off to college and I handle the all the wood prep myself now. But something for you to look forward to....IF and WHEN you allow your girls to be courted by young gentleman, those guys will haul and stack ALOT of wood to try and impress the girls/or their dad!! The fall wood season is a great test of the young bucks interest/commitment. It always embarrassed my girls, but that was my rule. If you want to date my daughter you had to spend a weekend or three on the wood pile with me! Kinda wish I had more daughters now that they are out of the house..... CHEERS!
Hey Greg, I love your way of thinking. I am way behind you, our triplets will be 13 and I am still in denial of them dating lol. Kerry and I met and started dating at 14, almost 26 years ago. I will tell Kerry this awesome idea! Love it
Teaching teenagers to be men. I salute you sir! You have years invested in your daughters, why would you throw that away and allow them to date, potentially marry some worthless schlepp? If these fellas are really interested in your daughters they won’t mind a little labor for the blessing of dating them. Working hand in hand with older men I was able to “catch” a lot of wisdom from them I might not have otherwise obtained.
I agree. I’m on my 13th winter with my Central boiler. And have no regrets. As a firefighter I will add the benefit of keeping the fire out of your house as one more pro. Thanks
That is true- no fire in the house PLUS the mess of having a fire is all outside as well.
@@Homesteadhow People that have never had an indoor wood stove underestimate the disaster that it will make the inside of your house. Burning wood is a filthy mess, best to keep it outside. Great video, thanks!
Based Bear to be fair if your patient and take your time bringing wood inside along with cleaning your stove area after every use you really don’t notice any mess. I don’t use nearly as much wood as you do though, awesome set up and nice vid! Was fun to watch
@Jake Sangria It's not that big of a deal. We did 5 and lived in a little rambler.
@Jake Sangria used to do 16. 4 weekends. Dropping skidding blocking splitting and stacked. Did it all growing up, probably just got used to it. Switched to coal 2 years ago when my mom got diagnosed with cancer.
5 females so a lot of hot water lmao
Lot of hot air too.
Fun to see.... I heated with a wood stove years ago when I was young... I still miss it, I remember opening the windows in the bitter cold because it was too hot in the family room! ;-) This was in Maryland where neighbors had heatpumps, we called them cold pumps!... of course, I'd do it on purpose when people were over just to show off.... nothing comes close to the comfort of sitting near a really hot heavy steel black box... if you are slightly tired, you know, from handling all that wood.... you'll be out like a light in a few minutes! ;-) thanks for posting.....
Ring your trees, they will die and dry while standing, you will be able to burn them.as soon as you cut them
JayUppercase why cut the poor trees
As long as you're selective. You're gonna want some solid wood too. Oak and beech and hold the heat and make the fire last.
@@KamranHaider Because you can't burn snow.
michmvp You are right, man 👍🙏
Cutting down dead standing trees is much more dangerous. Called widow makers for a reason.
You situation is five females, and we all know there love of heat. I have 8 rental units in one building and I tell you those that have females in them use significantly more utilities, water, gas and electricity.
I hear ya, sometimes its hard with 5 of them here. WOW 8 rentals!? Someday we will branch out
Outdoor wood boiler for family of 5 = keeps only dude in house sane by allowing time to decompress!
Lol right
Gave a thumbs up for that drift. Nice one.
thanks for that. I sometimes dread winter BUT drifting the argo on the snow/ice like a figure skater never gets old. Im pretty graceful with that thing if I do say so myself :)
@@Homesteadhow not that it's any of my business what do those argo rigs start at and about how fast does it go
@@prestonberg9604 cost I'm not sure. But what you saw speed wise, is what you get.
I built my house, 8" thick walls, staggered 2x4 construction, 6" bats of insulation on both sides. All windows on the south side so passive solar. I just burnt wood in northwester Wisconsin. I used only 3 to 3 1/2 cords of wood per winter. Maybe that's your problem, your house is obsolete. Now you can take a 2x4 construction house and add new walls in the inside, adding another 4" of insulation. My brother used to sell Central boilers, he suggested using green wood. I used a 50 gal. water heater core to preheat my water before going into the hot water heater. It sat near my woodstove.
I can tell by the way he hooked the Argo up to the trailer, that this guy likes to work but has fun on the job.
I would love to have a place like this with storybook cottages all around, along with a miniature train to haul the wood
The way he slings those cons I thought the exact opposite.
The way he slings those cons I thought the exact opposite.
Here are a few things to onsider:
1) attach to a greenhouse grow fruits and vegetables throughout the year even citrus trees
2) convert 1 wall to function as a oven
3) use the ash as fertilizer
4) create an automated feeder that drops the wood onto a sliding portion of the roof
I'm thinking about building a small one to keep a greenhouse warm. I gotta see if digging the greenhouse in the ground is enough on its own first lol
My parents have one and they love it. They have heated floors, so the stove heats the water and the floors
Owning one of those is like being a small dairy farmer. You have to tend to it morning and evening 🤷🏻♂️
I'm getting to old to be working that hard.
You seem to have a lot of un-insulated copper pipes around, are these for local air heating?
I was wondering the same thing.
I’ve had my central boiler (250,000 BTU) for 26 years and I do not split any of my wood, I cut it all 36” long up to 6”-12” diameter and I only load it every other day, when it’s below zero I might load once a day if we’re using allot of domestic hot water (showers/laundry). I mix hard/soft wood. I also mix in green wood to reduce how much seasoned wood I use. I keep our two story 5 bedroom house about 75 deg for my wife and 4 daughters. Shop stays at 65, more comfortable for working. In 26 years I have not spent a dollar on heat or hot water other than the original cost of buying the furnace. I also sell fire wood and install out door boilers. My best advice is to not buy a new one. All of the new ones are garbage, Intentionally. The new ones recirculate the exhaust gases which has no benefit because there is nothing flammable left to burn, if there was it would have already ignited in the fire box. The recirculated gases plug up the system and cause lots of problems. I have installed several pre emission stoves and 100% of those customers are happy and their investment paid off. I have also installed several newer models with emissions and 100% of those customers without exception are disappointed. These newer units with recirculated gases (Gasification) are a waist of money and only have problems. They are substantially less efficient. I had a customer who bought a brand hew gasifier outdoor boiler for $22,000 because the dealer told them it would be substantially more efficient and that she could cut her current usage from 10 cord down to 5-6 cord per year but the exact opposite was true, now she uses over 15 cord and has had nothing but problems which is not covered under warranty because they told her she had to burn kiln dried wood no bigger than 4” in diameter. Completely defeats the purpose of having an outside boiler in my opinion. There are many pre-owned (used) pre emission boilers on the market if you spend a little time looking. However, I will say this, if you have to buy wood then you might as well just buy gas and not deal with it. These boilers make the most sense for homeowners who have land or at least excess to wood. If you have to purchase wood then it may not make sense. Also, if you’re not a man/women capable of hard work in exchange for financial freedom then you probably wont be happy. This is just my two cents from someone who has had a central boiler for well over 20 years and have installed several. Also, I should mention this, if you talk to a dealer they will most likely lie to you and tell you that you can not install a pre owed, pre-emission stove. That is not True, I have installed many in VT/NH/ME and have had zero issues.
I don't see a cost per hour when you do the work yourself. When you outsource the wood you are at about 150+ a cord. You're only overhead is the fuel used to get the wood. Another issue with propane is a constant potential for an explosion or a deadly leak. The savings alone pays for it. I know a guy that is completely off grid with solar power and a wood burner that heats everything including their swimming pool. It is where I plan to be in the future.
Agreed! Lots of hidden costs with propane too
Wait until you're older, it becomes a real pain in the neck to cut all that wood. After 29 years of doing it, and my dad dying over the summer, my mom finally decided that it was time to go to propane. Though they were thinking of doing it anyways though my dad was a hold out even though he couldn't do it anymore in his 80's, thus they had to buy 3/4ths of their wood for the last couple of years. Kind of negates any cost savings, and it's hard for individuals in their 80's and 70's to continually fill the thing/they had to request way smaller split wood. Also anytime you leave for a gathering out of town or just a day or two you've got to ask someone to fill it for you.
Lastly, my entire adolescent falls/winters were wholly consumed with cutting, splitting with a maul, maintaining chainsaws, and transporting wood. I'm a bit bitter about it if you can't tell!
Though the heat is amazing, won't find a hotter house then one that has a furnace.
@@melikesleepy I cannot do it anymore because I have carpal tunnel and back problems, I'm 33 and it's a struggle but I know I'll be out there doing it if my plans ever happen and I get the opportunity. But age is already catching up to me unfortunately. What I used to do I cannot anymore.
Some of the hardest cutting trees are the oaks that were standing dead but are now on the ground. Petrified shit throws sparks from the chain.
Cutting your oak shouldn’t be a problem ....
Use a “Tungsten Carbide” chain !! You’ll find that’s much more suitable that the one you have and there’ll be no sparks.
Find out who sells these in your area beforehand, and make sure they have the sharpening equipment for Tungsten Chain Saw blades.
Best...
Good information!
Having an outdoor burner would be a bit too much for me, but I do love my wood stove in the den. Cutting, splitting and moving/stacking (multiple times before it gets into the stove) is enough for me. It does keep me somewhat active outside during the cold months when I'd otherwise be watching TV or whatever.
Build a underground home and heat it with a box of wood matches.
I like You’re concept. I see that u have no insulation on your pipes or if u do now but if u do it will save money/wood I have done it on my pipes and it Really works.
i agree
I have a lot of experience heating with wood and I can confidently tell you that you will cut your wood usage by at least 30% if you can properly dry your firewood. Another thing it’s important to know is there is approximately the same amount of available BTUs per pound of dry wood regardless of what the species is. For anyone interested, there is plenty of supporting data available on the internet to confirm this information.
Overly seasoned wood burns too fast and too hot. Get more mileage out of it when it doesn't burn up so fast. A slower burn is better.
the same amount of available BTUs per pound of dry wood regardless of what the species is......bull
Wood heating is not bad if you have access to cheap wood. In Europe it’s very common to use wood for heating, except it’s almost always an indoor wood burner located in a basement of the building, usually with a place to store your wood too. Only downside is the work associated with it, though still there are things which can help you a bit with it.
Different woods have different densities. This density is directly proportional to the thermal heat you get out. I live in Finland and the 3 primary burning woods are Birch, Scots Pine and Spruce. It's well documented by University and government tests that the Higher the density of the wood the more heat you get out.
@@BigBirdy100 depends on the stove. I have a 2000kg soapstone stove. You want to burn hot and fast with that then shut the damper. Heat is then slowly released over 24hrs.
Hitch up a kiln drier to it, we do this in Scotland and it takes about 5 days to dry about 20 tonne so you would only need 2 times in the kiln and wood comes out at 15% and burns great
I've never heard of this- but plan to research more.. thanks for the insightful tip!
Look at Russian wood stoves and fireplaces build a designe into your home some up that way live in negative 30
Look at all those high stumps. Cut those flush with the ground there is a round or two left there.
Good eye, but I did that on purpose. I'm an aspiring chainsaw carver. Those are my practice stumps
@@Homesteadhow Plus it's nice to have a table to set your beer on while lumberjacking. Good synopsys at the end-you really need to properly assess your individual living situation to decide if a wood burner of any kind is worth it.
Hell NO. I'll let you split that twisty knarly crap.
@@w8stral he has a boiler , he can throw them in whole. Or hydraulics to split it. But those look like straight trees may take two wacks to bust it open instead of one. Your right there may as well get it.
But I see his answer.
@@natevanlandingham1945 Hydraulics yup, otherwise you get a whole workout splitting the butt end of a stump. IF you want figured wood on the other hand it is a GREAT place to cut wood from. Splitting? Massive chore. I have done enough of them in my days... I just skip it anymore and no, they do not "fall apart" with a couple wacks of a maul/axe. We are talking wedges generally speaking and then pounding with maul/axe.
Just remember burning wood heats you 3 times, felling , splitting and carrying, finally burning!
We too have a Central Boiler unit. The 5036. This is it’s 10th year. We have loved the unit. We still tell everyone that it was our “best investment”. Our heating demand is not as diverse as the one in this video so our wood consumption is much less. I’m now 75 and still look forward to my wood gathering and heating season. Bottom line. We love it still.
I grew up in a house with an outdoor wood furnace. My parents heated with it for 29 years. However, as my parents got older and eventually my father died, it's just too much work the older you get. Not to mention as a kid and all the way up until I moved out of the house I spent every damn weekend/or after school in the fall and winter cutting, splitting with a maul, and transporting wood. It's an amazingly hot heat source but there are several cons. Another con is that if you go away for the holidays or are just out of town for a day or two, you've got to ask a neighbor to fill it for you. So all in all, after 29 years, my mom got propane and kept the wood furnace hooked up as a back up heat source. The best of both worlds I guess.
That's understandable and true. We have propane still so we can use either. Weve left for 10 days in winter and we just put the propane on like 50f and kept the house from freezing and the water in the pipes stayed warm
"Lucky for us we live on twenty acres."
True we are very lucky to have 20 acres.. the flip side of this is that for about 2 years anyone could have had this property and 20 acres for 1/3rd the cost of an average home in our state. It was foreclosed and sitting on the market and literally 100s of people came through to look at it and passed on it because the home was in terrible shape and needed so much work. So luck is true but a bigger part of why we have this 20 acres is a ton of hard work, its 5 years later and we are still working on it. It took over a year to make it even livable.
We used to get charged for under usage from our propane supplier because of burning wood lol, hard to beat wood when it’s -20 out and the house is 75
Very true=in fact that is my situation now! The heat is cranked-- not quite -20 but getting close
A backhoe with a thumb in the digging end makes handling wood much easier.
It sure would, but that's one of the cons of having this setup: the cost/maintenance/etc of other equipment used to process wood before it's burned. Yes, I'd love to have some of that equipment, though.
your main house roof looks like heat is escaping ….maybe you need more insulation?
we also have an indoor wood stove on the opposite roof. We burn that for ambience and heat before we fire up the outdoor. Maybe that is what you saw. We have an attic and its very well insulated.
I like this guy. His entire perspective,,,, brilliant.
-Nathan
Thanks from "this guy" I appreciate your kind comment. Thanks for watching
If you could make yourself some "cordwood trailers" like a wood rack on wheels, you could haul them out and stack them full then park until wood dries then move next to the furnace
The pine burns fast might explain using 10 cords. But its lighter, easier splitting, and plentiful..
Very true...id burn only hardwood if I had it...instead I have almost all pine
no it will burn 10 cords even if it is nice oak wood, those stoves like it green and it still takes 10 cords of oak
I disagree, I burn all hard wood in my 6048 and my neighbor with his 6048 burns pine an soft wood (he gets it dropped off for free) I go through at least a 1/3rd less wood.
Tony D those stoves use a third more burning green. No fire likes green.
These last 2 comments are spot on about hardwood. Wet wood uses a third more wood. However, by not achieving thermal oxidation you never get the advantage of the latent heat of this process. Put a masonry heater in your home and you will be able to save time and money.
Good video I've had a wood burner and part of me misses the fun of cutting wood, and the other part of me doesn't miss all of the headaches! Thanks man and good luck
Nice video man. I am glad to hear your perspective on this. I admit though, 10 cord a year for heat is nothing, especially for the square footage and water your heating. Up here (Northern Ontario) people would use 2-3 times that much, but hardwood is much more available and probably less expensive. I can buy a transport load of hardwood logs for around 2000 dollars and get around 40 cord. Al those other variables are similar, chainsaw, splitter, etc. Having the wood on your own property makes that cost much less, just costs the time! And wood heat is a trade off for time.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your perspective.
10 cords is not alot for 2 houses and a garage plus heating water. Most 3 or 4 bedroom houses burn 5 to 7 alone so bot bad at all
Most people: What I have is the greatest thing you could have. it's the best by far, and I am the best.
This guy: Here is what I have, I like it but here is the list of cons..
In conclusion, I like real dudes, and this is the kind of guy who should be your friend. Thumbs up to the video, and props to his sense of reality! Much respect! The world needs more of these guys!
Could pick up used Seek Thermal Compact or Flir for your phone to do energy and electrical audit, to make sure you are not loosing that energy, after you are done with it put it back on the market so you don't lose out.
Personally I would go for other more automated heating method. Like Solar collectors, heat-pump, wood-chip boiler (By doing so also not wasting quality timber) , bio-gas digestor + generator, distributed data center for heating (just like a Dutch company did), Passive solar, Solar PV. Every property is different, there is no single best option.
Outdoor heater effect indoor air quality far less than a stove would, fire hazard is much lower.
Excellent post among a slew of moronic ones. Well done.
@@ArthursHD I bet you don't even own a house or have any kids.
Hard work
Nice job
Great family time
God bless Us all
Thank you for sharing
Having the whole family out there teaches good work ethic.
Very true, good quality time in nature too
Ya, but when kids grow up and move out, you better. Have. A. Helper, because you know. Most knives - wivesdont help. The. Husband,..facts are real,.
Many hands make the work easy. Except, when it's hard.
I can't even get my kid's outside....
@@richardthetroll6758 That is sad. They must be too old for obedience training. So, try incentive training. Turn off the electronics, too.
I’ve used my outdoor furnace (it’s a shaver) for 13 years heating about 5000 sq ft. Love it! I live in East Tennessee with relatively mild winters and the biggest problem I have is some times it produces too much heat. I only use it when lows are in the 30s or the highs don’t leave the 40s. When it’s warmer then that the heat pump on the house is efficient to keep the house comfortable. I keep my water jacket at 120 degrees F. In your video you said you kept yours at 180. Wow that’s high. Lowering the water jacket temperature reduces (drastically) the amount of wood you have to burn and allows your furnace to work more efficiently. I can’t imagine an environment outside of the arctic circle where a 150 degree temp would work just fine.
How many chords of wood does it take to heat your house for a year? I know you don’t use it in the summer time but I’m just curious about log consumption
Great video, I’ve purchased one cord of wood in the last 12 years, there is always free wood for the pick up all year. Then you can have a choice of wood at the local landfill, my landfill has it piled up in an area free for the taking, can’t go wrong with free heat. Plus cutting and splitting wood keeps me built like a lumberjack, which comes in handy when my six dogs want to wrestle for my dinner plate.
my neighbor heats his home by harvesting wood nobody wants... there is an endless amount of free wood. We live adjacent to a forest, but we heat with natural gas... the combined heat and hot water is making me consider this more seriously now. combine that with heating outbuildings and it starts to make even more sense.
The Self Sufficiency aspect is invaluable. That alone is worth all of the effort. The biggest "con" from my perspective is the additional tools, tool maintenance, and fuel that it would cost to process it all. Good video, it was easy to understand what you were saying and you went over the costs very well. thanks.
Agreed- everything we do on our homestead is to become more self sufficient! Thanks
Using wood keeps you warm twice , once when you cut and split it and once when you burn it
plus when you stack it and curse it :)
You left out the third warming. Constant explosive temper. Btw it's included with all heat sources. Idk if people have shame about number 3 they all do it. Winter makes some of us a danger to ourselfs. I'm pro global warming I believe it will reduce mental illnesses that out weigh the benifit to humanity greatly. Also pro pole shift equates move closer!!!
much better than freezing or taking a second job to pay someone else for a consumable.
i have an idea to peletize weeds for heating. i think everyone hates weeds. should be plenty of source free for the taking.
So, you haven't done wood. It is at least 4 times. Once when you cut it. Twice when you move it. Third time when you stack it. Fourth time when you move it to be burned and Fifth time when you burn it.
Ah yeah I've done wood all my life. No I'm not done hoarding this winters supply I've got almost 50 chords stashed. I'm in southern Tennessee. I know the winter of the century is nearing. It's not only going to be a hard and long winter. I wouldn't be surprised to hear about the population dropping like flys. Cause the average hard winter in Tennessee average lows 20 above fareinheight. Not lows of minus 55degrees Fahrenheit with highs barely 0 for 60 days in a row.
My plumber built his home with a pizza oven centrally located in the home, it keeps his home warm, Smith River Northern Calif, a milder climate on the ocean.
That sounds wonderful! We love pizza here
You will soon change that "yes" to a very easy "no"! We've been using our OWB for going on 8 yrs. now and here's my thoughts: There's a poll on one of the OWB forums asking "how long did your boiler last" and generally, most brands tend to fail around the 7 to 10 year mark. By "fail" this typically means that they start to leak in one spot or another, regardless of the cleaning, maintenance, and water treatment that you do. This means that the cost of your boiler unit itself works out to $1,000/yr. A few other costs that haven't been mentioned - electricity usage. First, air blowing past 160-180 degree water in your furnace heat exchanger for the house/shop/etc. is 'warm' - not hot like a natural gas/propane furnace. This means that your furnace blower motor will stay on an INCREBIBLY longer than heating with gas. Depending on your forced air blower motor power draw, this can mean a large electrical expense. A similar size motor is also on the OWB draft fan - and lets not forget about the 1 or 2 water pumps that are continuously running as well. As mentioned in the video, the largest component to heating with an OWB is the time investment. They eat far more wood than an indoor stove which means you're blowing through 20-30 face cords a winter if you live in a cold climate. If you're harvesting and processing your own wood, this is weeks of time investment every year. If you purchase a tandem load, you're still spending nearly a week to cut/split/stack ... and lets not forget about the 1-2 yrs. required to dry the wood. Now you have to devote time to feed the boiler twice a day, clean out the ash doors/trays every other day, and clean out the fire box every 3-4 weeks. Let me be clear, this feeding and cleaning consumes over 50 hrs. for our 5 month heating season. Now lets move on to the smell .... there's no smell inside your house BUT that poor person that has to load the firebox is going to immediately smell like a wood fire. Let's hope you're not working in an office with a suit on every day! Your property will also have an intense 'wood fire' smell while the boiler draft is on. The "Pros" are certainly valid - the fuel source is inexpensive, heat is nearly endless, you can be mostly self reliant,.. but the cons that we've experienced over 8 years of ownership, unfortunately, far outweigh the pro's. So NO, an Outdoor Wood Boiler is NOT worth it, for us.
Very good experienced info. Thank you for taking the time to explain
Thanks for your opinion, invaluable!
Just a thought, couldn't you take care of this concern with electricity costs and the air blower by using natural water steam in the system with a valve release system timer to prevent pressure blow out, and then have the steam guided to releases in each room in order to force draw the heat into the rooms and areas as needed? Wouldn't this then also cut down immensely on amount of wood needed to burn too? I saw this idea on a diy wood stove/cement creative concepts channel here on youtube that uses steam to cause the heat to increase this way and I'm just applying it to this, but I think it could work. It's possible that the steam would even cut down on having to clean the system where the heat is being pushed through to the rooms and areas too. No electricity, just wood generated fire, water, and a steam release valve system on a timer to prevent blow out/blow up.
@@Itsallsotiresome that would be a different type of boiler. The one in the video, and the one I owned, were not pressurized. They are open to atmosphere and do not produce steam. Additionally, the water does not actually reach boiling temperatures in these style of boilers... With the max temp being 180 F. Now, if you were to purchase a pressurized boiler i think you'd have major issues with the steam condensing before it reached most of your home if you were to use it in the same manner as our boilers. For example, our boilers are placed away from the home by tens of feet. The pipes then run underground and get plumbed into the home. Most of us also continue that heat loop for hundreds of feet to additional buildings/shop/barn/greenhouse. The likelihood of the steam condensing into water and 'clogging the lines' since there wouldnt be a water pump in your example would be a large concern.
@@djbmw1 Oh yes, of course it's a different type of boiler, and you are correct of course that with that exact kind of set up it wouldn't work that way because of what you speak of, and of course what I am speaking of would require a lot of modifications to the system in very detailed ways, but I thought it would contextually come across that what I mean is by making the necessary modifications to an OWB to accommodate that change it could work and then offload the cost of having the electrical costs concerns and amount of wood being needed to burn all the time. In comparative terms, it's not like a vehicle bolt on that boosts horsepower, but instead like work being done throughout the internal engine to boost horsepower. Not something plug and play, but a complete overhaul of the system. Thinking about what you said, you are likely correct that with that amount of steam travelling from the OWB throughout the system that distance it would condense into water to some extent again, but perhaps strategic uses of wood burning, or perhaps alcohol burning stoves at certain points in the system, it could reduce or get rid of it altogether. I'm just theorycrafting basically to try and reduce costs to the OWB system with modifications made to it.
Realistically speaking, with what I'm speaking of it'd probably work best by just having the pressurized stoves/boilers throughout the home with the heat only having to go a short distance comparatively using the steam to force it by the pressure release valves I mentioned before, but I thought maybe with modifications made to the OWB system it could work at reducing the cost extensively. The modifications would probably be costly at first, but would pay for itself over time by cutting the cost of electricity altogether and severely lowering the amount of wood being burned.
We've had our Central Boiler for over 16 years. We use dry wood, wet wood, split wood, whatever is handy. If it'll fit through the door I'll burn it, 20" around and 4' long it goes in and burns all night.
BTW as a tip to make topping off your water tank a bit easier install a hose between the drain on your water heater and a valve on your return line of your heat exchanger. Then all you gotta do is open both valves and time the flow. The side benefit for us is it's soft water.
BTW I've never drained my boiler, just test the water and add rust inhibitor as needed. In the off season cover the chimney, clean it out and keep the firebox as dry as possible.
Rodney glad to hear another CB user with long term usage! NICE tip on topping it off. That is a great one. The last time I topped it off it was a big chore had I done it your way- I would have saved a bunch of time.
I top mine off in a similar way. My geothermal dealer that also sells Central Boiler and he said don't fill from the bottom of the hot water tank because your putting sediment into your boiler.
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I can see that being an issue but my water is filtered coming into the house so I don't have the rust that is present in my outdoor hydrants.
1 old boy told me a long time ago cut the wood sell the wood buy propane and beer
We bought a place in the NC mountains last summer that has a very unique set up for hot water and heating the house - an indoor water stove. The unit is quite large - about 5’ tall x 7’ long x 4’ deep. Three large solar panels on the roof with a circulating pump serve as the primary source to heat the water. If we have a period of cloudy days where the solar panels can’t keep the water adequately heated, the stove has a built-in home heating oil furnace to heat the water. In the unlikely event both the solar panels and furnace go belly up, no worries - the stove also has a firebox for burning wood. It was made by Blue Ridge Water Stoves and installed when the house was built in 1991. Has kept the house toasty warm throughout the winter with plenty of hot water for showers. Love it!
I've had a 5648 classic for fifteen years and love it. Now that I'm older its a lot harder. I have ran out of wood and just keep the furnace pump going and my propane fired furnace keeps the boiler water from freezing. That's not very efficient but I had some health problems and couldn't cut wood for a time. One hint I found is to split the wood where you cut it, load it on a pallet I have built sides on, and haul it to the furnace and dump it there. Or if you have multiple pallets, leave it on the pallet and fill your spares.This saves from unloading and stacking. But you need a tractor with pallet forks.
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THREE DOLLARS A DAY FOR NATRAL GAS!! IS IT WORTH IT!!!
That’s a guy that could carry his family through an apocalypse
I was thinking the same thing but then once the gas runs out for the chainsaw you’re out of luck! Nobody is hand-sawing ten cords a year! My chainsaws are electric so I guess I could use solar to charge them until the batteries go bad...
Very true- but I do have anough cut and dead branch piles to get us through winter. Then we'd be doing nothing but wood prep everyday and in that event we'd use only our small inside wood stove. Thanks for watching!
My brother, being an EXPERT machinist, told me you can MAKE YOUR OWN human pedal-powered band-saw or wire-blade log saws that use older heavy duty stationary exercise bikes to turn a gear/pulley system that then turns a band saw or wire saw fast enough to cut many cords of wood per month. Just make sure you and you're family is well fed and watered as they take turns on the exercise bike for 15 minutes to 30 minutes to an hour at a time depending upon a person's fitness level! These work even in FULL GRID DOWN situations since they are fully manual operation via pedal power! Feed and water your troops well and you're good to go!
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The KEY ISSUE is properly matching the gearing ratio to fit an individual rider's strength/stamina to the desired most-efficient cutting speed for the type and hardness of log being cut.
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I have a Central Boiler also. I have found out over the years that if you put a piece of green wood in for every 3 or 4 seasoned pieces the burn time lasts longer between fill ups
Green wood for burn slower and depending on the type it could burn hotter once the box is hot
Love to say he'd be out doing something more productive if he wasn't working on the wood for the house but would really just be watching TV. Me too Buddy. Me too. Lol.
I let your adds play through to the end because I know the value of adds to a homsteader on RUclips such as myself. Got some vacation time so I get to check out those channels i have been subbed to for quite some time, yours is one. I love your content and videography. I have been looking into one of these wood burners for my homestead and this info your providing is great. Thank you.
I really appreciate that comment! The video and editing work is a hobby for me- I love doing it- but it is a lot of work and it means a lot when someone appreciates it. Not to toot my own horn- but if you haven't seen our Green House Video-- consider checking it out. I think that was our best work /video/editing by far.. We also spent a ton of time on our latest video, A Day in the Life of a Homesteader. Thanks for your kind support!
20 acres sounds like enough but how many years do you honestly think the tree on your property will last you before your buying wood from an outside resource?
A lifetime almost
He can harvest half to full cord per acre per year forever
When I was a kid we just went to the neighbors and cut up his dead trees for free js
I grew up on 2 acres in the woods of NJ and youd be surprised how much wood and trees there even on 2 acres
Plus, you can plant more trees right?
You poor bastard ! Hope you have time for a beer !
Yes the girls like it warm....Cheer's mate !
Everyone that owns one of these things use and insane amounts of wood. You are in what I think of sweet spot age wise, as you get older so will cutting and moving all this would. I have a inside would stove and back in the day I loved cutting and splitting wood, those days are gone. I had a serous back injury and the wood moving days have certainly grown old. Good luck and enjoy your endless cutting and moving all that wood, just kidding, I used to love it.
That's true- its a lot of work- but probably not alot compared to earlier generations. My primary job outside homestead is sitting at a computer. But very valid point as I get older or injured I may have to revert back to propane. Thanks for watching!
@@Homesteadhow For all you are heating 12 cords is very good, I know friends heating just their home using about the same amount of wood. I truly used to love the process of harvesting cord wood and truly miss it. Something are about more than dollar and cents. I had great time working my land and working with my friends. I always feel better knowing I am heating my home with a local source and not fuel from the Middle East. Take care
I have had mine running for 2 months this winter so far and have barely used 1/2 a cord. Maybe how I have mine set up is just more efficient? And as far as age being a factor.. My dad still uses his, and he's almost 70 lol
@@ppipowerclass I totally agree. My issue was caused by an accident, I broke four vertebrae in my lower back, that has changed everything. Before the accident I was very fit and thought I would have no issues doing this into my late 70s I have not given up and continue to work out and plan on making a come back. Take.care
Get with a tree service. If you’re nice to them and they like you then they will drop off a crane truck full of hardwood upper logs and thick branches right next to your sheds. If you really like the logs slip ‘em a handful of tens to divvy up - I guarantee they’ll keep you in mind when good hardwood comes around.
And wear saw chaps. I learned the hard way. 🍖
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good call. We are really considering this. The person who sold me the OWB had full hardwood logs dropped off and burned those all season.
Localcrew has the Best piece of advice you can get! Get a load of nice Ash or oak. Ash here in Western NY, where I live, is all dying from the ash boarer beetle. So the land owners are cutting it down and selling off to the Amish cabinet makers, and the rest to wood stoves. Better than letting it stand dead.
localcrew my buddy has this set up and he just uses Craig’s list to get wood. He has it set for people looking to have downed trees removed from their property. He has to have about 30 cords of wood at his house and hasn’t paid a dime for it. Granted we live in a pretty populated area so there is no end to people looking for tree removal.
I know of two companies here in RI all they do w as th the tress they take down is throw out the wood they are not in to spitting fire wood and always looking for a place to drop the wood
Google chip drop. It’s a service that connects tree companies with people looking for wood products, from logs to chips. You can select what you will accept and leave directions on where to dump.
I went nuclear a few years back. Best decision I ever made. Cons: I have 6 nipples and a horn.
I have a neighbor who had one installed about 4 years ago also. He has grown to HATE the thing. 10 cords is nothing for him to burn Oct thru April. He has gone thru 20 cords when the winter is especially bad. On the good side, he has become quite the sawyer, winch operator and log splitter. His wife on the other hand gives him constant grief over the possible one accident in cutting wood and it is then Game Over.
Sounds like your neighbor needs to remind his wife about the one possible grease fire in the kitchen!
My ocd is killing me that you don’t stack and cover your firewood.
He's waiting for you to come over and Cover it
Just how many times are you handling a particular stick before it's burned, just to satisfy OCD? Mine goes from the woods to a pile by the boiler (under roof). I cut for seasoned wood too, and stack it, but I don't care how pretty the stack is. I hear of some guys who will re-stack their wood mid year to rotate it for better drying. I have a nice trailer that I haul, and it dawned on me- Why am I unloading this? I unhook the trailer next to the boiler. Just saved two steps. I do throw a tarp over the trailer though. I hate wet wood.
Shoot i want to setup a elevator to drop it in the top of my grain bin and never touch till i burn it.
Stop being a girl
Good for you Dad. Your girls are learning a lot of good things about life. It looks like a lot of work but it is worth it as long as you're young and you can do it. God bless you
Thank you for that! God Bless You Too.
Great video. I can see that it will take some time to recover the cost. But I do like the family togetherness and the health. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching!
Just watching the video Made me tired. would take too much of my Time. Life too short to work that hard. Cut around 25 cords of wood in the last 5 years Gave it up Switch over to coal My philosophy work smarter not harder Good luck to you must Have nothing else to do
I hear that
This here.. $6k worth of solar panels would give you 120kbtu worth of energy per day, all year round. You could grid tie and use a heat pump and have 0 work other than cleaning the panels maybe 2x a year. Oh and free electric all summer.
You need to work on your efficiencies. Pulling wood out of the woods one piece at a time has to be the least efficient way known to man. You should be pulling that Argo right along side of that fell tree, quarter it into 8’ or 12’ sections( as big as you can manage) and be hauling an entire tree out at one time. You will see you will get it out of the woods way faster (at least half cord at a time with that Argo). Then put into a stack no need to buck it and split it till you need it for that season which will eliminate the split then stack sequence. The main goal is efficiencies...the fewer steps you have the less amount of wood you are handling in any given year. Every step you have is another 10 cord you are handling. Haul it out in long lengths and make a stack off the ground till you need it. Roll some out preferably as close to the boiler door as possible, buck and split then right into the fire box. This will also give you some much needed organization and clean up around your wood shed as well.
Came here to say the same thing. Backup your trailer right to the splitter which should be a couple steps from your woodshed, which should be a couple steps from your boiler. Pull, split, stack, repeat.
I’m 3 seasons in on my Portage & Main boiler , I heat 3 buildings + domestic hot water and one hot tub .... I love it .
20 cords a year for sure but, I burn junk hardwood and I dont split anything under 16 inch .
I gotta admit the exercise is great for me 👍
Good for you. Is the hot tub heat exchanged similar to an indoor water heater, heat exchanger?
You have a lot of cool toys. I'm jealous man lol. I burned wood for a few years in my last house. You don't realize how much time you waste until you don't have to do it anymore. Wood heat is the best heat but it requires much more work. It's a trade off
very true..
We have a Wilkening whole house wood burning fireplace in a two story house. Wilkening is out of Walker, MN. I agree, you're heating a lot of areas and its worthwile, but where you might improve is having a tractor and grapple to bring the logs close to the stove and cut/split them there and stack. Stacking might be a bummer, but it helps being organized. Only cut them as long as you can fit into the stove. I put Ironwood into the fireplace over night, it burns very slow, and still is full of embers in the morning.
Great comment I would love a tractor with a grapple. Plus I imagine it would be nice to grapple a long log- and then easily cut it (off the ground) and feed it into the stove. We haven't been able to process enough wood to have 10 cords drying out while we use this seasons plus we have mostly just pine here. We've considered getting some hardwood full trunks/rounds delivered to help us catchup. If we do that I plan to drop them as close to the stove as possible-- But a grapple would also be great for that purpose. Ill have to keep an eye out at the upcoming farm auctions.
@@HomesteadhowCheckout "Outdoors with the Morgans" vlog....they are really on the game with regards to firewood etc. Good luck.
Pine is all i burn in mine that is what works best but you have to have it dry just because you had that tree off the ground they still hold a lot of moisture
"Chop your own wood and it will warm you twice " said Henry Ford .
Quite a few years ago my family owned business was heated by a central boiler . 6000 sq ft for about 7-8 months of the year . Auto repair shop so the large doors were opened and closed a lot. The worst year we had as far as heating goes ( we have cold damp winters on the east coast of Canada) we went through 88 cord of wood and I cut, blocked and stacked every one of those cords. It was a full time job literally for 1 person just to keep the heat on ( I was in the best shape of my life) But an average year would use roughly 40-45 cord.and that trend continues to this day, however I have retired from the business to go on to other ventures . Oddly enough I really do miss the effort put into heating that place.
You sir are an animal th cut all of that! Well done.
Wow!! I just saw your channel for the first time and the video I saw was on your carnivore diet, this is the second video I’ve seen and WOW!! You must feel so much better these days! I’m starting the carnivore diet soon bc I’m tired of feeling the way I do!
10 cords a year with only 20 acres. youre going to cut down you land pretty quick. 10-20 years worth of wood
No, i did a follow-up ecplaining why - ruclips.net/video/-EeEr82kRRs/видео.html
@@Homesteadhow People dont understand how fast actually trees grow! I watched the video and its the same on my homestead. 7-8 aaplings around larger mature trees
@Randy Van Horn They say log truck loads are 10-14 cords? What do you think?
@Randy Van Horn Hey Randy! Thanks for the reply I was just wondering!
in case anyone wants to see what we thought of our outdoor wood stove after owning it for a few weeks- we did a video for that 4 years ago- ruclips.net/video/p1agcjE6XHQ/видео.html
For me my outdoor boiler has saved me thousands, we got our hot water, and heat 3500 sq ft with it for my family of 7, my 4 sons and my daughter actually enjoy "helping dad". I live in northern Lower peninsula Michigan and do tree removal for a living so win win for me. Boiler is homemade by me with a large propane tank being my firebox and I burn between 8 to 10 cord a season.
@@groundpounder24365 I lived in Genessee County, Thedford Township, Michigan, address Mt. Morris from May 1979 to Oct 1986. We had a Heatalator type wood stove which helped a lot with the oil savings
@@royreynolds108 I know right where mount Morris is. I go mudding at "the mounds" off road park
You might want to place an additional layer of insulation on the outside of your water water. That way you prevent heat loss, water stays hotter longer. I would think it would have an effect on how much wood you burn in the long run.
the snow does not even melt for days on the stove
One must calc in the future back surgery $$$ that will be required for most. Although 5 females and a electric water heater means a 3 to $400 bill a month easy.
Get a tractor dude! Skidder! Ya it dents and wrecks the tractor cab, it's called character! I loved my 4020 john Deere. Poor bent and twisted thing. Its kinda resting in pieces but it worked awesome!
My dad loved wood burning stoves. He had a pot belly wood burning stove in our cellar.
There is nothing like a great wood stove and cozy fire
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Without a doubt.
I think you missed a "PRO" the ash mess stays outside. I know of 2 others that use those outside burners they use about 3+ times more wood than inside burning. I use between 1 and 2 128 sqf true cords here in North Carolina, using indoor cast iron boxwood vogelzang. About $500 for stove, 6' of stove pipe with two 90 degree angles, through the roof kit, 6' of double wall insulated stainless steel pipe. Today about $1k at least, for this barebones setup. Pays for itself the first year when you process the wood yourself, buying firewood would not be very cost effective. burning wood saves me about $1K every year, and the house is much warmer than 68 in fact most mornings the temp is in the mid 60's from hours of cold stove. As long as the doors are open all rooms warm up nicely "thermal siphon" is the process that occurs during heating using any unit that is well placed. That is why furnaces are located under the building and forced air will assist the thermal siphon process.
After year 4 I considered myself a master wood burner, rounds burn the slowest never split anything smaller than a coffee can. This year I am trying something new, I got a large load of wood chips to augment the firewood. The chips will smother the fire if too many at once are put in. When the right amount is used it slows the fire down while burning away sort of slowly... Best of all "PRO" with my indoor cast iron stove is I can "cook" on it.
I always say "if I wasn't doing this. I'd be doing something else. " in other words you're always doing something, it's your choice what.
Work is not a con it is healthy.
Everything is I think you said you're outside log burner cost around $6,000 that's pretty cheap considering my friend in the UK ok on his land and bought one for his workshop and house and it was £30,000
Nice to see someone addressing the power problem with a outdoor wood boiler! that has always been my worry. In short term grid down no big deal but we lost power 3 years ago for 16 days in early January in central Illinois. Thanks for the awesome videos!
And thanks for your nice comment! The solar trailer is doing really well. I worried in winter the sun wouldn't keep up.. but after some heavy use on our dog kennel its still at 13.9 volts this am!
@@Homesteadhow that's awesome! We are running a blazeking wood stove in our smaller 800 square ft cabin right now. Have thought about a boiler for the house and garages but just still on the fence.
Had one for 21 years get your wood before winter
Going on 18 for me and this is the first time having 12cord up before winter.. and its nice!!
I’ve been heating our house with a duel fuel central boiler for at least 10 years now. I used to have 20’ logs delivered and I did all the work. Thanks to my wife suggesting we have it delivered cut and split for a couple more bucks. I now have free time and my back has never felt better and I only burn hardwood and try not to burn black walnut. 🔥
Why don't you burn black walnut? Honest question, not being a smarty pants.
v3124 I don’t burn black walnut because of the acid. It’s bad for your firebox even with ashtrol. I also don’t burn pine. It burns too fast and doesn’t leave many embers. It turns to ash so if you don’t add more wood in time you end up having to restart your fire. That’s my experience at least.
Interesting! I'd never heard that about walnut.
That snow covered wood brings back memories
The whole time I'm watching this I'm thinking about moving to Florida. Sorry, Thanks for the content!
Hold the chainsaw so the bar is facing backwards so if you trip and fall than you won’t fall on the chain.
To help with heating your long ranch style house, I want to share with you what I did. Above or near the stove, I put 2-- 14"x14" returns.from each independant return, I ran an 8" insulated duct flex pipe to each back bedroom on either end of my house. Anywhere in that 8" insulated duct pipe, I placed 2 separate 600cfm vent fans, not the cheap low cfm duct booster types. But an inline duct exhaust type.. I ran a 14-2 wire from a electric thermostat for each bedroom on either side of the house to the fan and tapped into a 15amp line along the way. I set each one to around 70 degrees and when each bedroom drops below 70 the fan kicks on. They aren't very loud and I kept the fans closer to the stove room anyway. Not even thinking about it but after the fans sucked the hot air over to the other end of the house, the stove room returns ended up pulling the heat down the hallways, through the kitchen and livingroom, dining room back to the stove room where returns were. Voila, my whole house in the 70's and the stove room is no longer in the high 80's. I dont have that much land and live on the north shore of long island on 1.5 acres. I do my own log splitting with a 33 ton and give local tree removal guys a nice big area to drop loads of oak, locust and maple mostly for free. In a 2700 square foot house total, I run about 5 cords a winter. Haven't got the hot water deal going yet but you gave me the inspiration.
As a teen (50+ years ago) I split wood for a neighbor who heated a 3 story 5 bedroom house from a pot belly stove on bottom floor with less than 1 cord of wood a year.
NOT a hope in hell up here in Canada !
And he was cold all winter
I've always learned to stock pile during the warm months so we domt have to do it when its 20°
Yup, we started to, but do not have enough to last the winter. Seem to do that every year, but next year hopefully we will get our butts in gear and get more cut and stacked for next winter
I would rather do it during the cooler months of the year.
@@iffykidmn8170 Absolutely. Cutting and splitting wood in the summer, at least in Central Illinois, sucks. I'm very inefficient when it's hot and humid out. Plus, in the winter it feels good to burn the small limbs and stuff that won't split. I usually try to stay one winter ahead. Five pallets on each side of the shed. Take from one side while I fill the other.
It is rarely too cold to cut or stack wood but often too hot. It is vigorous exercise and you will be sweating no matter the temp. I don't touch it in the warm months.
YHVH Bless You and Your Family Always
Thank you and God Bless you
Loved the honesty "i'd probably just be watching TV", same here!
right- or i'd be watching RUclips! Thanks for watching
Great video! I've had a Central Boiler classic (5036) since 2006. We burn it year round as it heats our hot water as well. I definitely agree with everything you said. They are definitely not for everyone. I sell about 300 cords of wood a year so for me it was a no brainier. I sell the nice stuff and burn the rest myself. Not having a heating bill is nice if you're willing to put in a little effort. We too burn about 10-11 cords a year heating an old farmhouse keeping the 5 ladies in the house warm and keeping the showers hot! I'd buy another in a heartbeat
Is it possible to also get electricity from one if these?
You know you're ahead of the pack when you're watching this and the masses are watching the Kardashians.
Keeping up with the Homesteaders!
What are Kardashians?
One solution to your wood storage and considering your easy access to standing trees is to girdle them in place to kill them, and then leave them standing there for a year or more. Saves a ton room.
You mean girdle? Curdle is what happens to milk when it turns into cottage cheese.
Crowley Large Curd. With Pineapple.
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Correct, my brain obviously was curdled while typing
The carnivore diet really did wonders on you man. Good job! You are unrecognizable.