This is a movie describing someone who does not know himself and is looking outside for the definition of him. As interesting as it would have been to me when I was younger, I could tell by my personal experiences that this would not be for me. As was confused, questioning, distracted, and told I didn’t know who I was to a point where I almost believed it; deep down, I knew who I was. My question was, why was there that disconnect between me and someone like Andre? I would see strong points in them that they did not see in themselves. Over the years I would see most of these people become lost in discovery only to find themselves by denying those discovering moments. But those moments would change them, and mostly not for the best. A Catholic sees a demon in the middle of Christmas Mass who comforts him. This says it all. If you take the spectrum of sane to insanity and now separate it by less intelligent, normal, and genius, someone in the normal range might find it difficult if the genius is sane. Insanity genius has a flamboyant, colorful, wonderful way of expressing insanity. Now, take a sane individual who is tricked or is purposely trying to deceive you. Andre mentions comfort can be dangerous tranquility. This is a similar argument to what they said years ago. You can’t stop progress. Underneath that drive was the notion nothing established is good, and that we have to keep improving, destroying old, and building new to go forward. You must keep an open mind to new ideas. All paths to deception. The talk of the Demon in the church offering him comfort clearly shows the state of Andre’s mind, and we are to overlook or understand it. In high school and college, they insist that you read all these classics. All these classics are dystopian, depressing, suicidal, or some other awful conflict we must discuss in class and come to some kind of a census on. No, we don’t. We need to read good, wholesome stories about how people made a good life and became successful despite the shortcomings in their lives. We don’t need to know the person was brought to ruin and just barely survived, but he did survive. How does someone turn their life around and succeed? You get a fuller picture of the deception being taught in schools with these so-called classics when you look up who the author is. Now, some do have a practical purpose, like The Lottery making a statement about WWII, but most were the delusions of people who had personality disorders. This is what has been taught in literary avenues from 40 years ago till now. This character did not know who he was and brought in absurd examples of trying to find himself. Thus, he learned that social customs were bad because he could not adapt to real life. There is a reason why this movie is not known by the general public. It’s awful and introduces deception as a viable path to enlightenment.
You seem quite intelligent. So it is surprising to me that you think the film is suggesting 'deception as a viable path to enlightenment.' I think the film is more straightforward than what you are suggesting. Andre's stories are not deceptions, but descriptions of a man trying to wake up. It takes a certain kind of courage to dissolve the boundaries between oneself and the world. Few of us do it for any length of time during our short lives on planet earth, because, as is pointed out in the film, we settle into our 'roles' in life, falling into habitual ways of thinking, acting, loving, etc., thinking all of that is 'real life', and anything else must be a form of insanity. Andre is NOT saying that 'nothing established is good'. He's saying that most human beings do not SEE what is in front of them, that they are deadened and blinded by the way the world is structured, a world that shouts 'safety!', 'comfort!', 'progress!' The film puts the question to the world we've built: where is meaning to be found inside an asylum built by the inmates and managed by the inmates? I'll stop there. I'm sure there is a robust discussion that could be had about what is in this film. And I respect that you took the time to express your thoughts about it. Cheers.
Interesting that for me Andre was under the influence of hallucinogenics. I'm not particularly smart or anything, but... just as in the creation of many human rituals I've learnt to feel faith for the first time by the use of natural hallucinogenics. It was like for the first time in my atheist life I could feel each cell of my structure feeling itself and its surrounding, living and ressonating to living cells of living beings at my garden, then my street and then the world. Suddenly I realized the unalive was acually quite alive too and I mean nothing and all at the same time. That feeling saved me from the brutality of not seeing myself and understanding my existence to myself, what my ego is. At that time I had a different trip in which an ancient humanoid was surprised I wanted to go home and after I explained she said "everywhere is home to me", and it annoied me the fact I couldn't feel safe and belonging in whatever place. She made me all sorts of questions that could leave me to chock. For you, and for most, this might be an escape of reality through deception, but the fact is I was never so alive and present as I became after that.
We are conditioned to carry stories of who we are. These stories we buy into create wars both inwardly and externally. The pleasant stories we are proud of and maybe even boastful about.. the stories deemed dark/bad we are conditioned to suppress and deny that is if they do not conform to the image we have invested in- the persona of me.. All of these stories however interesting, tragic, or delusional are but passing clouds for the one not intent on arriving anywhere but here. In short, we believe too much and question too little
A friend of mine always said, "It's the simple pleasures, that's the key".
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Thank you very much for uploading this, amazing conversation to listen to!
God, how I love this film.
Never seen this before. Refreshing 🙏
My best friend Warren loved this film
Inconceivable!
This is a movie describing someone who does not know himself and is looking outside for the definition of him. As interesting as it would have been to me when I was younger, I could tell by my personal experiences that this would not be for me. As was confused, questioning, distracted, and told I didn’t know who I was to a point where I almost believed it; deep down, I knew who I was. My question was, why was there that disconnect between me and someone like Andre? I would see strong points in them that they did not see in themselves. Over the years I would see most of these people become lost in discovery only to find themselves by denying those discovering moments. But those moments would change them, and mostly not for the best.
A Catholic sees a demon in the middle of Christmas Mass who comforts him. This says it all.
If you take the spectrum of sane to insanity and now separate it by less intelligent, normal, and genius, someone in the normal range might find it difficult if the genius is sane. Insanity genius has a flamboyant, colorful, wonderful way of expressing insanity. Now, take a sane individual who is tricked or is purposely trying to deceive you. Andre mentions comfort can be dangerous tranquility. This is a similar argument to what they said years ago. You can’t stop progress. Underneath that drive was the notion nothing established is good, and that we have to keep improving, destroying old, and building new to go forward. You must keep an open mind to new ideas. All paths to deception.
The talk of the Demon in the church offering him comfort clearly shows the state of Andre’s mind, and we are to overlook or understand it. In high school and college, they insist that you read all these classics. All these classics are dystopian, depressing, suicidal, or some other awful conflict we must discuss in class and come to some kind of a census on. No, we don’t. We need to read good, wholesome stories about how people made a good life and became successful despite the shortcomings in their lives. We don’t need to know the person was brought to ruin and just barely survived, but he did survive. How does someone turn their life around and succeed?
You get a fuller picture of the deception being taught in schools with these so-called classics when you look up who the author is. Now, some do have a practical purpose, like The Lottery making a statement about WWII, but most were the delusions of people who had personality disorders. This is what has been taught in literary avenues from 40 years ago till now.
This character did not know who he was and brought in absurd examples of trying to find himself. Thus, he learned that social customs were bad because he could not adapt to real life. There is a reason why this movie is not known by the general public. It’s awful and introduces deception as a viable path to enlightenment.
You seem quite intelligent. So it is surprising to me that you think the film is suggesting 'deception as a viable path to enlightenment.' I think the film is more straightforward than what you are suggesting. Andre's stories are not deceptions, but descriptions of a man trying to wake up. It takes a certain kind of courage to dissolve the boundaries between oneself and the world. Few of us do it for any length of time during our short lives on planet earth, because, as is pointed out in the film, we settle into our 'roles' in life, falling into habitual ways of thinking, acting, loving, etc., thinking all of that is 'real life', and anything else must be a form of insanity. Andre is NOT saying that 'nothing established is good'. He's saying that most human beings do not SEE what is in front of them, that they are deadened and blinded by the way the world is structured, a world that shouts 'safety!', 'comfort!', 'progress!' The film puts the question to the world we've built: where is meaning to be found inside an asylum built by the inmates and managed by the inmates? I'll stop there. I'm sure there is a robust discussion that could be had about what is in this film. And I respect that you took the time to express your thoughts about it. Cheers.
Interesting that for me Andre was under the influence of hallucinogenics. I'm not particularly smart or anything, but... just as in the creation of many human rituals I've learnt to feel faith for the first time by the use of natural hallucinogenics. It was like for the first time in my atheist life I could feel each cell of my structure feeling itself and its surrounding, living and ressonating to living cells of living beings at my garden, then my street and then the world. Suddenly I realized the unalive was acually quite alive too and I mean nothing and all at the same time. That feeling saved me from the brutality of not seeing myself and understanding my existence to myself, what my ego is. At that time I had a different trip in which an ancient humanoid was surprised I wanted to go home and after I explained she said "everywhere is home to me", and it annoied me the fact I couldn't feel safe and belonging in whatever place. She made me all sorts of questions that could leave me to chock. For you, and for most, this might be an escape of reality through deception, but the fact is I was never so alive and present as I became after that.
Who are you "Nobody Really"? With these kind of uploads, including Vernon Howard, and the latest vax ones , you sure are somebody
We are conditioned to carry stories of who we are. These stories we buy into create wars both inwardly and externally. The pleasant stories we are proud of and maybe even boastful about.. the stories deemed dark/bad we are conditioned to suppress and deny that is if they do not conform to the image we have invested in- the persona of me.. All of these stories however interesting, tragic, or delusional are but passing clouds for the one not intent on arriving anywhere but here. In short, we believe too much and question too little
Nice fim. already 2 seconds in and ..whatever
That waiter stole the show, not hard to do.