Yeah it’s a shame about Zenith, given her largely original condition, but at least we still have Cavalier to represent these ships, albeit heavily modified. Whimbrel on the other hand, is of upmost importance to save, given her historical significance (just look at her large battle honours list). Efforts have been ongoing for years, but always seem to hit a brick wall, when the largely corrupt government in Egypt asks for stupid money for this ship. I can only hope the new Clyde naval heritage centre which is bringing back HMS Ambuscade of Falklands fame might spur things along.
To see a few examples of the Clyde built ships from our heritage would be amazing, to see a Clyde built destroyer saved from WW2, 1 of these was used as the ship in the Noel Coward movie In which we serve, a fairly decent account of a fictional ship the Torrin, it’s a great movie and you get to see a lot of the ships internals and guns. Envoy.
It really really really upsets me that HMS Zenith couldn’t be saved. It was scrapped in 2017. HMS Whimberal is still in existence though I really hope it can be saved!
4:15 what may have been as Important to anti-submarine efforts is the antenna on the top of the mast of HMS Zenith huff-duff High-frequency direction finding. It allowed sub hunters in a convoy to pinpoint range direction of submarines within striking distance. Seek out and destroy or at least keep them below the surface long enough for the convoy to be out of range.
I shouldn't need to say this, but I went out of my way to watch *native British man* Drach's video on the W/Z-class. He pronounced Zenith exactly how I did. I based how I said it on how he did, in fact.
@@MisterSplendy He was deeply impacted by his experience, and it left him with life long mental health issues. These were the days before mental health was taken seriously, so 'pull yourself together' was all he was given.
There was a royal navy ww1 destroyer that survived into the 21st century as a hulk parts of it remain preserved sadly the hull is gone i believe (But some say the hulk remains?) check out HMS Radiant (1916)
I always find it insulting to those who served in UK warships and to the nation overall that we have hardly done anything to respect our Navy maritime history and have seen so many ships scrapped instead of thinking that more needed to be preserved! HMS Belfast, WW2 near Tower Bridge, London which was a Cruiser along with the WW1 Light Cruiser HMS Caroline, moored in Belfast remains just two examples of our heritage being preserved, yet in WW2 alone we had 15 battleships and battlecruisers, 7 aircraft carriers, 66 cruisers, 164 destroyers and 66 submarines. When you take out those sunk it still means there was plenty left at the end of the war, There is only another British ship many of you may never have heard about, the Mikasa which was a Pre Dreadnaught British Battleship built in 1890 yep it was not built for the Royal Navy, but for the Japanese Navy! Unlike the UK we made no efforts to preserve any warship from this period, yet Japan values its history more. It is the only example of any British battleship anywhere in the world. They have it as a Museum ship. Of course, we have HMS Victory which is still listed as serving in the Royal Navy to this day, but for a nation that built its history on the sea, we have been incredibly poor at realising the importance of preserving more of our maritime past.
There’s hundreds of preserved ships in the UK🤷♂️ whilst a battleship would have been nice there was more import things to worry about after the war than preserving a ship 🤷♂️
We're struggling to keep a decent sized active royal navy let alone a preserved one. It would have been nice to have kept a battleship, a carrier or something else but even the US has struggled with the costs of keeping things like use texas in one piece. Taxpayer funds in the UK would be better out towards another active frigate or two..
My late father served on HMS Zenith during WWII, coming to her from HMS Volunteer. He would have been intrigued to know that his old ship. He didn't serve in the Far East so the Malaya landing story doesn't ring true.
Keep some of these ship . They are faster than todays modern ships .Keep her main armament and torpedo's , add a few missiles and hey presto , you have a new killing machine . Like the USS New Jersey they make a statement , don't mess with me . I think they would be cheaper to operate , keep the number crunchers away , they only follow the politicians directions . Excellent episode .
That's a really non-feasible idea. You can't just slap missiles on, the most important part of modern ships is sensors. You also have to consider machinery and hull fatigue. Keep them as museum ships, don't go down the route of thinking you can make an old ship even viable against a new one.
Modernising a ww2 vintage destroyer to fight a modern arleigh Burke would be like setting up a dogfight between a f22 and a F4U Corsair somehow fitted with a sidewinder. It wouldn’t even know what killed it let alone have an opportunity to engage it. Modern ships are very stealthy and can also sink targets over 1000 miles away! The power requirements to operate the sensors needed and the general design requirements to create modern warships are the very reason why a modern destroyer weighs over 4 times that of a ww2 destroyer. In fact a zumwalt class is on par at least In dimensions with most medium sized battleships!
She was probably sunk then cut up because you would have seen her out of the water at some point , with just the hull they probably clean of hazardous materials and just sunk her in deep water.
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Yeah it’s a shame about Zenith, given her largely original condition, but at least we still have Cavalier to represent these ships, albeit heavily modified. Whimbrel on the other hand, is of upmost importance to save, given her historical significance (just look at her large battle honours list). Efforts have been ongoing for years, but always seem to hit a brick wall, when the largely corrupt government in Egypt asks for stupid money for this ship. I can only hope the new Clyde naval heritage centre which is bringing back HMS Ambuscade of Falklands fame might spur things along.
I'd love to see a Clyde built warship on the Clyde at Clydebank or Glasgow as a museum ship, it's something the area really needs.
@@vinnyganzano1930 Well its coming soon.
To see a few examples of the Clyde built ships from our heritage would be amazing, to see a Clyde built destroyer saved from WW2, 1 of these was used as the ship in the Noel Coward movie In which we serve, a fairly decent account of a fictional ship the Torrin, it’s a great movie and you get to see a lot of the ships internals and guns. Envoy.
Hear hear!
They’ve slashed the price back to £250,000, and that includes Zenith.
It really really really upsets me that HMS Zenith couldn’t be saved. It was scrapped in 2017. HMS Whimberal is still in existence though I really hope it can be saved!
Zenith, the quality goes in before the name goes on!
1960’s US television manufacturer advertising motto .
Appreciating your detective work.
MY DAD WAS ON HMS ZAMBESI. ARTIC CONVOYAND ATLANTIC. NORWAY AFTER THE WAR.
sir, i love how you cover some less-known ships. keep up the good fight!
The W class had 4.7 inch, but the z class had 4.5 inch in the same mountings. The CA class were basically a repeatz Z.
The Z-class was sold to other navies, with Israel being one. One of these starred in the movie EXODUS.
4:15 what may have been as Important to anti-submarine efforts is the antenna on the top of the mast of HMS Zenith huff-duff High-frequency direction finding. It allowed sub hunters in a convoy to pinpoint range direction of submarines within striking distance. Seek out and destroy or at least keep them below the surface long enough for the convoy to be out of range.
I shouldn't need to say this, but I went out of my way to watch *native British man* Drach's video on the W/Z-class. He pronounced Zenith exactly how I did. I based how I said it on how he did, in fact.
You pronounced Zenith the way we do in the UK👍
@@vinnyganzano1930 You mean the correct way
Correct, you don’t have to say this.
@@tallthinkev Exactly😁👍
Could we see a video on the Japanese heavy cruiser Haguro sometime soon? A video on the British heavy cruiser Norfolk would also be nice.
Recognice your voice when i klick on a video.:) Thank you Tom for another great channel. Love all your work!
My uncle John Jennings was AA gunner on Zenith and Hotspur.
Very cool! You must have heard some tales!
@@MisterSplendy He was deeply impacted by his experience, and it left him with life long mental health issues. These were the days before mental health was taken seriously, so 'pull yourself together' was all he was given.
Great work!
Very interesting video. Thanks.
It’s ironic that she was sold the year before the Suez Crisis. Great timing.
Built in my hometown Dumbarton.
There was a royal navy ww1 destroyer that survived into the 21st century as a hulk parts of it remain preserved sadly the hull is gone i believe (But some say the hulk remains?) check out HMS Radiant (1916)
I always find it insulting to those who served in UK warships and to the nation overall that we have hardly done anything to respect our Navy maritime history and have seen so many ships scrapped instead of thinking that more needed to be preserved!
HMS Belfast, WW2 near Tower Bridge, London which was a Cruiser along with the WW1 Light Cruiser HMS Caroline, moored in Belfast remains just two examples of our heritage being preserved, yet in WW2 alone we had 15 battleships and battlecruisers, 7 aircraft carriers, 66 cruisers, 164 destroyers and 66 submarines. When you take out those sunk it still means there was plenty left at the end of the war,
There is only another British ship many of you may never have heard about, the Mikasa which was a Pre Dreadnaught British Battleship built in 1890 yep it was not built for the Royal Navy, but for the Japanese Navy!
Unlike the UK we made no efforts to preserve any warship from this period, yet Japan values its history more. It is the only example of any British battleship anywhere in the world. They have it as a Museum ship.
Of course, we have HMS Victory which is still listed as serving in the Royal Navy to this day, but for a nation that built its history on the sea, we have been incredibly poor at realising the importance of preserving more of our maritime past.
Warrior? Mary rose? Bristol(?) Has a concrete barge from ww1
Problem is, they're expensive to maintain, hard to find storage space for.
Also: Alliance, Belfast, Britannia, Caroline, Cavalier, CMB4, Courageous, Gannet, Holland 1, LCT 7074, M33, Ocelot, President, Trincomalee, Unicorn and Wellington.
There’s hundreds of preserved ships in the UK🤷♂️ whilst a battleship would have been nice there was more import things to worry about after the war than preserving a ship 🤷♂️
That list looks like what we started ww2 with. They built a sh1t load of carriers during the war.
Just sayin... 👍
We're struggling to keep a decent sized active royal navy let alone a preserved one. It would have been nice to have kept a battleship, a carrier or something else but even the US has struggled with the costs of keeping things like use texas in one piece. Taxpayer funds in the UK would be better out towards another active frigate or two..
it's a shame that it wasn't sold off as a museum ship
Her building time was typical more due to lack of yards and personal, compared to the US. Which had mass production yards for ships.
Not as long lived, but HMS Matapan is worth considering.
can you cover ijn shinano
During one refit night vision was improved so Egyptian could Pyramid s the darkness
My late father served on HMS Zenith during WWII, coming to her from HMS Volunteer. He would have been intrigued to know that his old ship. He didn't serve in the Far East so the Malaya landing story doesn't ring true.
Keep some of these ship . They are faster than todays modern ships .Keep her main armament and torpedo's , add a few missiles and hey presto , you have a new killing machine . Like the USS New Jersey they make a statement , don't mess with me . I think they would be cheaper to operate , keep the number crunchers away , they only follow the politicians directions . Excellent episode .
That's a really non-feasible idea.
You can't just slap missiles on, the most important part of modern ships is sensors. You also have to consider machinery and hull fatigue.
Keep them as museum ships, don't go down the route of thinking you can make an old ship even viable against a new one.
Modernising a ww2 vintage destroyer to fight a modern arleigh Burke would be like setting up a dogfight between a f22 and a F4U Corsair somehow fitted with a sidewinder.
It wouldn’t even know what killed it let alone have an opportunity to engage it. Modern ships are very stealthy and can also sink targets over 1000 miles away!
The power requirements to operate the sensors needed and the general design requirements to create modern warships are the very reason why a modern destroyer weighs over 4 times that of a ww2 destroyer. In fact a zumwalt class is on par at least In dimensions with most medium sized battleships!
Looks like a fire during scrapping
She was probably sunk then cut up because you would have seen her out of the water at some point , with just the hull they probably clean of hazardous materials and just sunk her in deep water.
It was Anglo Egypt
SORRY CAN'T SPELL,TOO EARLY!
The USA 🇺🇸 made the uk 🇬🇧 pay for all wartime aid and even the spam. This stuff wasn’t free. 🆓 the uk 🇬🇧 was in tremendous debt at the end of the war. Probably the uk should have charged the U.S. airforce for using uk airfields. So America I say owes the uk 🇬🇧 at least 100 billion in service fees in adjusted dollars
The US should pay the UK for absolutely nothing.
Likewise. Maybe in retrospect they could have taken German lessons?