Also forgot to mention koyama has stated several times that his statements are just his opinion, head cannon what ever you wanna call it but non of what he says is cannon
Bro didn't debunk anything imao he just left out the real scans and didn't even prove that it was universal at best only going off of "it was too much for the universe to handle".
@@YourFavoriteBlueHedgehogGoku is Universal at best end of story besides just cuz he universal doesn't mean he'd lose to everyone other characters that scales higher
Proving this kid wrong - "An Infinite Space of light and darkness where the unknown lives. - Daizenshuu 4, Page 18 "The Infinite Universe is managed by different Kaiō, mainly according to direction, with the Great Kaiō overseeing the places managed by the Kaiō, and the Kaiō of the East, West, South, and North managing the Universe. Finally, the Great Kaiō oversees the entire world." - Daizenshuu 4, Page 54 "The Universe is the Space that extends infinitely and embraces all Forms that exist in the World. In the Universe, there are Nebulae containing countless Stars and Galaxies containing countless Nebulae. Each Galaxy has its own God. Earth resides in the Solar System, a Galactic Nebula at the Edge of the Northern Galaxy." - Daizenshuu 7, Page 44 "Illumination of Galaxies and darkness that extends infinitely, Tens of Thousands of Light Years, Billions of Light Years, even light can't reach it. Countless unknown aliens and monsters that defy imagination live beyond the Stars." - Daizenshuu 4, Page 19
Time to debunk this. One, the super dimensional description of the CGI makes sence. The screenwriters are calling them superdimensional, not because of the animation quality which makes no sense but about the dimensions also using vsbattlewiki is just low since they wouldn't even scale Roshi to the moon for awhile so yes it is a terrible argument.
Them saying super-dimensional even if I was to agree wouldn't get past 5d(as in Japanese there are to meanings of super dimensional 1 meaning beyond dimensionality and the other meaning above the already existing dimensions so in dbs case it would be 5d(also don't I know you in real life)😭
Btw it was stated that the afterlife trancendes all concepts of space and time so that’s outer in CSAP and it was stated that db universe has an ignite hier j’y of dimesions higher then last and unbreacbles hiercy to such as inaccessible cardinal so in VSBW their explanation for high outer is an unreachable infinity structure of dimesions Conclusion In VSBW it’s minim high outer and in CSAP it’s minimum outer
Clearly you don’t know what your raging so I’m gonna debunk it with mathematics, Let's delve into the mathematical intricacies of quantifying the power generated from Goku's punches, considering the principles we've explored in classical mechanics, quantum physics, and general relativity. 1. **Hamiltonian Dynamics and Universe Destruction:** The power (\(P\)) generated from Goku's punch, contributing to universe destruction, can be linked to the change in kinetic energy: \[ P = \frac{\Delta KE}{\Delta t}, \] where \(KE\) is the kinetic energy associated with the punch's velocity, and \(\Delta t\) represents the time over which the punch is delivered. This aligns with Hamiltonian dynamics, where the punch's energy is intricately linked to the evolution of the universe's quantum state. 2. **Relativistic Dynamics and Speed Beyond Time Skip:** Incorporating the relativistic dynamic equation (\(F = \frac{d}{dt}(\gamma m v)\)), the power exerted by Goku's punch becomes: \[ P = Fv = \frac{d}{dt}(\gamma m v)v. \] This formulation considers the evolving relativistic mass (\(\gamma m\)) and velocity (\(v\)), illustrating the dynamic interplay that contributes to the punch's power. 3. **String Theory and Dimension-Shattering:** The power associated with Goku's punch, shattering dimensions, involves the vibrational modes of strings (\(N\)) and the string tension (\(\tau\)): \[ P = N\hbar\omega = \frac{\tau}{2\pi\alpha'}\int d\sigma \, (\partial_t X \partial_t X + \partial_x X \partial_x X), \] where \(X\) represents the spatial coordinates of the string. This equation relates the punch's power to the vibrational dynamics intrinsic to the dimension-shattering event. 4. **General Relativity and Survival within a Singularity:** Power considerations within the gravitational field near a singularity (\(P = \frac{dE}{dt}\)) involve the Schwarzschild metric and the energy-momentum tensor: \[ P = -\frac{d(Mc^2)}{dt} = -\frac{d}{dt}\int dV \sqrt{-g} T^{00}. \] Here, \(M\) is the mass of the singularity, \(c\) is the speed of light, \(g\) is the determinant of the metric, and \(T^{00}\) represents the energy density. 5. **Quantum Superposition in Infinite Dimensional Shaking:** Quantifying the power from Goku's punch, shaking an infinite dimension, incorporates the probability density (\( ho\)) associated with the wave function (\(\Psi\)): \[ P = \frac{\hbar}{2m}\Im\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x} ight). \] This expression relates the power generated by the punch to the imaginary part of the derivative of the wave function, reflecting the probabilistic nature of the quantum superposition. 6. **Quantum Tunneling in Battle Dynamics:** The power associated with Goku's punch during battle dynamics, considering quantum tunneling, intertwines with the uncertainty principle: \[ P \Delta t \geq \frac{\hbar}{2}. \] This inequality reflects the inherent uncertainty in the power and time parameters, offering insight into the probabilistic nature of Goku's punches during intense combat. 7. **Quantum Coherence in Galaxy Creation and Absorption:** Calculating the power generated during the creation and absorption of a galaxy involves the coherent state (\(\ket{\phi}\)) and the density matrix (\( ho\)): \[ P = \Tr\left( ho \frac{d\hat{H}}{dt} ight). \] Here, \(\hat{H}\) represents the Hamiltonian operator associated with the galactic transformation, and \(\Tr\) denotes the trace operation. These mathematical formulations, drawing from various realms of physics, provide a nuanced understanding of the power generated by Goku's punches. The equations encapsulate the diverse physical principles that converge in the fantastical realm of Dragon Ball.
Fax + Ignore the "ReBuNkErS". Goku is strong but not the strongest. Also i've seen peopel say he's high outer for having R>F on another verse, which isnt how R>F works...
Ok so this debunks absolutely nothing, since not only did you disregard the cosmology of the universe and where we can quantifiably scale it at, but make a general claim that since the scan verbatim states “too much for the Universe to handle” that it’s referring to a 3-Dimensional Universe and ONLY a universe that fulfills the criteria for being at bare minimum 3-A in power scaling, which is a hasty generalization and a false equivalence on your end, the last scan also contradicts your line of thinking so I’ll take it that you lack the ability to read as well? Like what, that’s a blatant conflicting conditions, redo this LMFAO.
DB universe is infinite and Buuhan's scream was going to destroy that, Ssj God's was going to shatter the universe. There are infinite amount of galaxies, realms with different space time, the afterlife does not have time and much More. These alone are enough to put Goku at Complex multi - hyperversal. Actually Goku scales above this but it would be too long to explain.
Debunked. The Universe has an edge and isn't infinite, the verse doesn't have infinite hierarchies and dimensions, the afterlife is the same size as the Universe making it only 4D max. Lmao hyperversal? More like Low Multiversal
@@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x counter - It does not have an edge, infact the upper part of the living world Is called universe, for more clarification we can say the observable universe since there are part of universe which are unseen and that was the part that bulma mentions. The author's themselves states it and you can't deny it. Koyama's statement, Toriyama's statements etc etc. the afterlife, living world both are infinite infinite hierarchies, dimensions and realms as stated my authors. There's no time in afterlife, there are different space time for different realms, different dimentionalities etc etc. with all these at the bare minimum this macrosm stands at 6D.
@@popl-chan My counter to your counter. Koyama said his words isn't valid, and stated to have not been talking about Dragon Ball cosmology but his own common belief. Which gives me the edge again.
@@popl-chan Infinite Hierarchies? Lmao since when did that got mentioned? The Universe isn't infinite like again. People keep saying Dragon Ball universe is 10× bigger than our Universe. But the funny fact is using that logic proves my point. Cuz our Universe isn't infinite.
Probably didn't even understand anything in the scan lol you probably was just angry that Goku was so powerful and decided to take anything even a fake debunk as fact.
Diazenshu statement : toriyama never tells us about how much the ss state exactly increases your power levels ; in fact,he claims in later saga’s that there’s no way to mathematically measure the increase Conclusion : super saiyan is a increase that cannot be measured mathematically meaning its power increase beyond mathematics itself which means ss is itself alone is outerversal 💀
@@Monarch_Scalez You said it was in a board game, is there a reason that a statement from that board game that I’m assuming is from Akira Toriyama himself, that makes this statement irrelevant?
@DizzleDogg akira toryiama had no hand in its creation, actually the board game is so inconsistent it claims the sun in the dragon ball is larger than the living world 😐
@@Monarch_Scalez Kid look you’re not okay lol here we go: Dbz Frieza 2nd form was stated to able to destroy a universe. Goku at the end of z is thousands of time stronger than Frieza. In DBS goku base is billions of times stronger than z . Now imagine mui he’s easily multiversal to Hyperversal Goku. While in Ui he shook the top void an infinite void with no time. The Dbz universe is no ordinary universe each realm is infinite giving him infinite power. He traveled through the afterlife which infinite. Other feats are Moving faster than a being who can skip time. shattering a dimension made by the time skipper.Fighting and actually injuring the fusion of his alternative self and a immortal deity with his energy blast even though he was near exhaustion and could hardly stand before he did it.Casually smashing through the hardest material in the dragon ball universe with regular punches.Generating so much energy wih his punches that along with beerus’s punches they contributed to the near destruction of universe 7. His punches are so strong that he has to constantly punch a certain way to minimise the destruction caused by them. Rival or surpass Jiren (not full power) that have power that transcend time in speed.
The afterlife in dbz is held by the universe. It is a place that has no space and time is infinite in size and transcends dimensions. That makes the afterlife hyperversal. Ssjgod Goku and Beerus fight was stated to threaten the very fabric of existence and destroy all the macrocosm including the afterlife, a hyperversal place. Ssjgod Goku nullified the punch meant to destroy the macrocosm and absorbed the god power he was using to fight beerus into his base form Goku in base= hyperversal Goku also moved a place with no time as Zeno destroyed trunks timeline and everything inside it including space and time. Goku later on went to look for Zeno and found him in trunks timeline which had no space and time and base Goku moved in it. He did the same thing in the null realm which was described to be devoid of space and time. That means Goku in base has inaccessible speed. Goku in base= hyperversal and inaccessible speed Also, in the battle of gods movie Goku's kanji (the symbol in his back) translated to super dimensional So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions Goku and Beerus fight is super dimensional and god Goku is as well and he absorbed the power into his base form so, Base Goku (ToP) = hyperversal and inaccessible speed and super dimensional. Also in the granola arc, Goku recognized something faster than instant transmission which teleported you through an infinite place in a finite time being the mortal universe and the afterlife and he recognized something faster than infinite speed in super Saiyan
Now its time for rebunk Rebunk 1 : Gogeta's power is so great that it: Breaks reality Transcends universal laws Manipulates time & space This means Gogeta operates on a higher level, beyond the universe's boundaries, making him a Self-Dimensional entity. In short: Gogeta's power > Universal laws Gogeta = Self-Dimensional entity Rebunk 2 : Gogeta's feats: - Manipulate reality - Warp time & space - Exist beyond the universe Implies his existence is beyond conventional dimensions. His dimensions are not just physical, but encompass reality manipulation, making him more than just a simple dimensional scale. In short: Gogeta's powers > Conventional dimensions Gogeta = Reality manipulator Rebunk 3 : Gogeta's feats: - Manipulate reality - Warp time & space - Exist beyond universe Implies Super Dimensional existence. Lack of context or unclear animation doesn't disprove it. In short: Gogeta's powers > Conventional dimensions Gogeta = Super Dimensional Rebunk 4 : Dragon Ball scans: Different dimensions ≠ Higher dimensions But Gogeta's powers: Manipulate reality Warp time & space Showcase a higher level of existence, making him Super Dimensional. In short: Gogeta's powers > Conventional dimensions Gogeta = Super Dimensional And , In the context of VS Battles Wiki (VSBW) and Dragon Ball, "manipulating reality and space-time" is a common trait associated with Super Dimensional entities. Super Dimensional beings are considered to exist beyond the conventional understanding of dimensions, and their abilities reflect this. Manipulating reality and space-time is a hallmark of such entities, as it demonstrates their ability to operate outside the normal boundaries of existence. So, in this context: Manipulate reality & space-time = Super Dimensional Keep in mind that this is specific to the VS Battles Wiki and Dragon Ball frameworks. In other contexts or fictional universes, the terms and definitions might differ. Rebunk 5 : Dragon Ball human realms > 4D: - Goku's Instant Transmission: Teleports across space, potentially bypassing 3D. - Whis's Abilities: Manipulates reality, time, and space, hinting at >4D. - Zeno's Omni-Presence: Exists beyond reality and time, suggesting >4D. - Gogeta's Powers: Warps reality and time-space, hinting at >4D. - Uub's Dimensional Travel: Travels between dimensions, suggesting >4D human realms. These points show human realms in Dragon Ball can exist beyond 4D. So , it's a rebunk of this video ..... 💔
@@Monarch_Scalez majin buu ( more than millions of years ago) was considered as a universal level threat(stated by the kais). and in battle of gods too kaioshin said that if the battle continues then and goku doesnt control his ki then the universe(including all the realms such as hell, otherworld etc. would be destroyed). and if you have watched dragon ball then, you would know that the dbs power jumps are beyond crazy. the goku rn is a billion times stronger than the buu saga goku to say the least
The dbz mortal universe is an infinite space where LIGHT and DARKNESS lives in the daizenshuu scan, that has infinite dualities such as ying and yang. Ying yang have light, darkness on each opposite color. That grants type 3 true general transduality since the mortal universe transcends or goes beyond the limits of a conceptual duality. And dbz ssj forms can't be mathematically scaled or measured anymore in the RPG guidebooks. That makes goku above mathematics and Gogeta > goku. Being above mathematics makes you high outerversal to boundless
Ok unrelated question so u see mortal realms caps at 4d and in the diazenshuu it was stated otherworld as a transcendal realm which would make that realm 5d and it was clearly stated that realm is part of uni 7 cosmology wouldn't that make it 5d. and i have more questions first answer this
@@Monarch_Scalez thankyou for the answer so in the beerus vs Goku fight they almost destroyed entire macrocasm of uni 7 pls don't tell me it was beerus who was doing it cuz to cancel out an attack Goku need to apply same force as beerus and strike him at same angle so wouldn't that make Goku atleast 5d and in anime it was stated Goku absorbed God form in his base form so he can be considered 5d in base so low complex according to vsbw since his power was capable enough to destroy a 5d structure .
@@Monarch_Scalez ok thank u see Goku is my fav character but I'm not a gokutard or anything cuz some people degrade him to galaxy and low multi which i Dont like.
Thank you for reminding me that I lost to him in a debate 3½years ago (that has really rebuked my debunk) and don't just dickride try debunking it yourself(no offence) and I have new videos you might want to see before commenting.
@@Monarch_Scalez umm when I was dickriding that is just pure facts and do not judge someone before you know who he is which is obviously not you (no offence) And bro is really talking in a 3.5 year video I thought you would not even respond.
@@kdxdeadman I do not scale i just see and tell my thought on it I see some people who scale goku to these levels are kinda right not just drip sauce . And they are into always aggressive they mostly show actual proof u can find in the guidebooks or the manga and I do not see a single angry db fan these days but yea the fandom is toxic but at least most of then give actual proof saitama fanbase gave logic from their shit and are aggressive at least both are not like mha fans
Here we go again The battle was literally stated to be superdimensional/beyond dimensions AKA knows as outerversal in scaling You think your opinion is more reliable than the screen writer of db😂 Despite him saying its just his opinion Lets not forget as a screen writer of db He has more knowledge of db than us Making his opinion more reliable than fans And even toriyama himself said that his staffs information are more reliable than himself Making koyama statements even more reliable
😭dumbest shit i have seen in a while, firstly just because its titled a super dimensional battle that dosent scale it anywhere and you trying to use that to scale is a nominal fallacy also Super dimensional in the Japanese raws is super - dimensional which is commonly used to refer to the spectacle of an event or action so it dosent scale anywhere secondly koyama aint the writer of dragonball he made 5 movies of dragonball and non of them are cannon(he wasnt even a major player he was just the screen writer) also if he says he isnt reliable but you still take him as a credible source you are being ignorant from pigheadedness 🤣🤣 also toriyama meant his direct staff(THAT WORKED ON THE DIZZENCHU ARE MORE RELIABLE THAN HIM) koyama did not make the dizzenchu neither is he a direct staff of toriyama and toriyama dosent even work on dbs anymore he just gives toei and shonen jump notes of what he would like to see so its very lickly his opinion has changed on who is credible amoung his staff.
@@Monarch_Scalez yeah that shit is dumb outerversal is beyond all concepts of dimensions super dimesional/transcendental dimension is still a fking dimension🤦♀
@@Monarch_Scalez 🤣 dumbest debunk I have see 1st when the show it self is explaining the battle how that can't be use for scaling 2nd super dimensional is not commonly used just a reminder Goku Vs beerus battle was stated to be hyperdimensional Even a battle where characters was going to wipe out hell heaven The term super dimensional was not used So it's not common 3rd He have worked for cannon dragon 4th as mentioned already everyone one has his own opinion but when it comes to the staff opinion that have worked in the show before his opinion is considered more valid that random people cause he have worked in the show dumbass
@Forger374 😐🤨😭 am gonna assume you are either very young OR you don't speak english. Super-Dimensional in the Japanese language is a word use to define an event that is extraordinary (also bro i never said super dimensional is commonly used in dragon ball i mean in the JAPANESE LANGUAGE its is commonly used to describe extraordinary events so its scales nowhere.) 2. Berry's and gokus fight being called hyperdimensional dosent scale anywhere cause firstly that's a nominal fallacy secondly I don't think you understand the naming conventions used in japan 3.No koyama has never worked for cannon dragon ball, even if he did he would have to WORK DIRECTLY UNDER TORYIAMA for his word to be valid. 😭 nigga he said its just his opinion and that toryiama has NEVER agreed with his views before so if toryiama has never agreed to it then its not cannon and also this argument you keep copying and pasting from reddit is an appeal to authority fallacy 😭 how can you be calling me a dumbass when you have the linguistic skills of a fucking toddler
Bro Goku is outer 💀 Not to forget he shook the whole universe in his God form which is not his strongest form In perspective a solar system in DBZ has countless of stars which could lead that a singel dimension is Infinite in mass and size Each dimension in one universe is Infinite Which leads God Goku to Multiversal at best But if were talking about Tournament of power Goku Then he scales to outerversal because of that fact that he fought Serious Jiren which base jiren is stronger than his own god of Destruction which a normal god of destruction could destroy a universe with ease And if you remember what i said earlier a Universe in DBZ is immeasurable because of his realm containing infinity size and mass Which puts Goku (TOP) to low-High outer While base goku to high multiversal-low hyperversal Because he is already 1 billion times stronger than his first time using God
@@Coldskin1 Oh well, this video clearly debunks an hyperversal goku to complex multi, that wasn't really my opinion about the power scale, the point is that rimuru only scales to high multi, likely low 1-C. Also yeah, ik nv rimuru is a lot stronger, i think it was high hyperversal or something like, but i wasn't talking about that version.
@@Coldskin1 well, if you see the u7, it literally has 3 universes in it, being the mortal universe and the other world, which has heaven and hell in it. They are also separated in spacetime, so ssjg goku is at least low multi, cuz of affecting the entire universe, including the supreme kai planet, which is outside the mortal world and otherworld.
@@Monarch_Scalez Plus, super dimensions only has Jigen (元 ) is point, dimensions and dimensionality. Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensions That is his meaning, so it would be invalid to say without propper context this time, koyama statements are 50/50, sience he said it was his opinión, however he also is part of the staff related to db, meaning that his opinión is reliable when it comes to Knowledge of the franchise plus, toriyama stated that the staff words are as reliable as his
You skipped also the after life scans, that proofs the Trascendance of that structure begin Beyond dimensions, the Trascendance meaning as cho jigen too There are also plenty of statements of the hakaishin's power begin Beyond dimensionality too.
and to add onto this the afterlife is transcedental(meaning on a spiritual level) not transcendent to the living world making the afterlife only universal (4d) making goku only low multi and then we could just say the goku u7 shaking feat falls under composition fallacy making goku low universal
This can be debunked as in the daisenshu it said heaven is a dimensionality trandental country that looks down upon the world ( meaning the living universe) which is not on a spirtual level, just to clear that up, just stopping people spreading mis information
@@neonmike6152 The macrocosim is an infinite 5d structure since Otherworld is a higher plane of existance then the living world making Otherworld 4d and the Supreme Kai’s world transcending Otherworld making it 5d. But since the living universe, Otherworld, and the Supreme Kai’s world are all infinite in size, it puts the DB macrocosim at infinite 5d. Since goku was unintentionally threatening to destroy this when he clashed punches with beerus in his SSG form and later on absorbed SSG into his base, making his base infinite 5d, non-debunkable
Bro Forgot the fact that koyama said that this was his opinion because he literally was getting death threats in his DM. So he said that this was his opinion. But his statements were From directly the DB Guide books which are written by the whole dragon ball team (Koyama also). The guide books are cannon. Still don't belive me? I'm damn sure you forgot that the events of dr. Slump occured in the dragon ball earth. Dr. Slump is above tiering. So db cosmology is above tiering. Yamcha solos fiction🤣
This is cap beyond belief Space and time cannot exist without each other, and if one doesn't exist, than neither does dimensionality With otherworld feats and Toriyama stating that current Ssj Goku is beyond mathematics, Goku is already high outerversal, gogeta would just be beyond that
Firstly this is an old video 2.your wrong, time is a quantity that inherently needs space for it'd existence as time is the progression of matter in a linear sequence But space is just the distance between 2 or more particles and dosent inherently need time to exist And also dimensionality as a whole is dependent on SPACE not TIME what you are referring too are temporal axis...
@@Monarch_Scalez then how about this, if the living universe in dragon ball caps at infinite 3d since it is infinite in size. As otherworld cannot be affected, altered, exited or entered by 3d dimension beings makes it an infinite 4d structure since otherworld is also infinite in size. And the supreme Kai’s world transcending Otherworld and it being a high plane of existance puts it at 5d, but since it it is infinite in size it is Infinite 5d, putting the DB Macrocosim at infinite 5d. The mere clashes between goku and beerus were sending shockwaves throught the macrocosim and was threatening to destroy it and leaving nothing left but an empty void which was stated by Supreme Kai. The same Macrocosim that is Infinite 5d. (Keep in mind that they were doing this unintentionally). And you can’t even use the exuse that it was mainly beerus’s fault since Goku was the one to cancel out the shockwaves after he got a better control over his new found SSG power. He then proceeds to absorb this same SSG power into his base form so his base for post battle of gods is equal to SSG goku during battle of gods. Putting Goku at the bare minimum of infinite 5d and possibly 6d depending on how you scale him but saying he is infinite 5d isn’t possible to debunk without being unreasonably biased.
Ur right dbs cosmology isn't hyperversal. Is is wayyy higher. Lets do this short and clear. First i want to say that toryama himself said data books are canon and in this data book states that after life is dimensionality transcending realm making after life outervesal. And guees what? Base goku after absorbing ssg can destroy all of uni7 making base goku outervesal but this is still low ball if you takes dr slump verse that is also canon to dbs cosmology it makes the verse above tiering system
Cho jigen, cho mean super which is what it is called in dragon ball super, or it is called beyond, jigen means dimention or dimensionality So yeah, just to clear that up
yk its funny when people who dont speak Japanese try to claim things about Japanese, 1. Super dimensional is not an actual term in the Japanese dialect neither is it an actual concept in physics, maths and any other branch of science 2. Chō Jigen does not translate to super dimensional, it translates to either higher, ultra or trans dimensional its only when you translate super dimensional in English to Japanese and then back to English in any translator thats when you get Super dimensional which on its own dosent mean anything,
@@lightinthedark-hw1qd 1. what was been talked about in the scan was super dimensional so even if you were right ulta dimensional couldnt matter her 2. ultra dimensional just means higher dimensional which is at best 4D
Broly was fighting gogeta in the living universe, which is Infinite 4d, due to an author of dragon ball living on earth, and that author trancends the reality of the game world in dragon ball heros, scalling the living universe as low outer which makes it Infinite 5d and their destroying dimentions of that accidently which have been stated to be a super dimention, or trancending it, so your wrong and wouldn't make it a finite 4d construct
Buddy you debunked nothing, you literally just added some random pictures saying something about it which it doesn't say at all and i cant even read some of that stuff cause its so blurry.
@@OriginalCharacterOc Actually, I was meaning to say about Zeno's dimension, Tournament of Power dimension and after-death dimension, in addition to the fact that the Dragon Ball omniverse is four-dimensional when interacting with Zamasu, which is Four-dimensional, that is, the Human Realm being a higher dimension goes beyond 4D, that is, 5D.
Who made this rat scale 💀 And why are you debunking something that is already contradicts itself Who ever made the scale doesn't know how to scale it to hyper 💀 And 1 more thing super dimensions without context are scalable to 5D ( without cosmology)
rimuru is debunked 4D\5D fodder still get clapped from goku this guy didnt debunked anything heaven still could get to 6D and above same with macrocosom and hell and the void goku with KI control shacked all of these worlds he isnt hyperversal to be real becouse db cosmology is 8D\9D but he is like 7D low-complex multiversal or complex
@@78Stranger22"Even accelerator " you know that accelerator neggs rimuru right and really both are debunkable but i would say yea accelerator maby win but rimuru nah z goku victim his WN is non cannon but LN is cannon but its still dosent surpass 5D with debunk ofc goku is 6D+ with high-end universes go read db feats + cosmology + daizenshuu and koyama statemetns who said that rimuru beat goku is dumpas*
You don't debunk anything your just saying all the statements are false without debunk anything. 😂😂😂 Bro rumours fans are just mindless to accept the the humans in OGDB are scale higher then all the gay versa.
what statements 😭 i never said any scan was fake unless i had a reason(which i wouldnt need scans for as there would be no corresponding scans) watch before you leave hate please👌❤
@@Monarch_Scalez and for DB NORMAL COSMOLOGY: her is the debunk. For the temporary world, it is 3D, the ruler's palace, which is a separate dimension from the temporary world, and contains all the layers in the temporary world, which transcending all infinite layers by Tokiyama's statement , each unit of which transcending the other and transcending them in 4D, and the ruler's palace contains four rooms, each one containing the other and being In a dimension completely separated by time and space continuity from the temporary world and the ruler's palace, there are four rooms equal to four dimensions, each transending the other 8D and containing the world of demons or the underworld, which is equal to the temporary world And it has been proven that there are super dimensions in the temporary world in Light Novel, in which Gogeta and Broly fight, and it is called "a battle in the super dimensions" And super dimensions is another meaning of transcending dimensions that makes the human world or the temporary world HIGH HYPERVERSAL ( low ball). and this is only in half of the microcauses. Daizenshow 4 statement : "Heaven transcending dimensions can't be perceived from the human world". Which means it's beyond dimensions in the temporary world that are high hyperversal ( low ball). Super Game Guide Book and Tokiyama's statement : "Afterlife doesn't have the concept of time" and doesn't have time meaning doesn't have space And the topic was talking about why ssj3 wastes time in the temporary world and not in Afterlife because it his no concept of time. Which makes Afterlife outerversal structure by all standards (Not to mention the afterlife having infinite layers all transcending each others + the bubbles of other universes + the black ocean (I forget what it's called) that covers the universe that transcending their existence + the Zeno Realm that lies above all universes and the black ocean that transcending their existence because every realm in DB is called HIGHER realm OR NEW EXISTENCE + INFINITE TIMELINES Each of them contains these structures ) (Wich makes normal DB COSMOLOGY INFINITE TO INACCESSIBLE LAYERS INTO BEYONDLAS) (WITHOUT USING DR.SLUMP COSMOLOGY). ☠♾ . Transcending dimensions = higher dimensions/realms = Extra dimensions/realms. Debunk all canon statement Which Toriyama states is official on the cover of Daizensho 7 if you can little fodder
@@Monarch_Scalez no hate man But your ignorance of the terminology that describes a thing or a place, and that you do not read the statements and sources that have been proven by the author, is that it is the canon of the main story on the cover of Daizensho 7 that all copies of Daisencho and the Super Game guide book and Tokiyama's statements canon to the main story. So either you are ignorant or one of DB downplayer .
With this treasure I fu*king summon i summon @Middletrack the opp stopper I’m going to die first because I can’t handle him. (I realize this video is old)
Goku base >>>>>>>>>scp fundación, Goku ssj 1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction Goku true ui >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>memes (no db)
Goku slams and you cant debunk goku like what and gogeta actually destroy reality and dimesion and he was teleported into a space thay didn't exist stop making these video we know you a goku hater like stop this is what goku haters do. And goku slams like he was about to destroy a universe along with heaven and hell which is infitne in size which the ball universe like big as boundless because the Kai planets like universe size and other planete to and the underworld and other dimensions way bigger to like outer and boundless like it's crazy and goku was about to destroy all of that so goku slams
@@BillCipherandFreddyKreugerFan Anime Girl=🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️, Superficial "cool" characteristics and attitudes, Flatt MID character + cringe, Bill is the true cool character.
ruclips.net/video/gvgcsz1Npi8/видео.htmlsi=qc9FaXSQsYTDEXmA ruclips.net/video/A67_oRXadnw/видео.htmlsi=572I9wglMLSR7brT these are just 2 of the vids i have made debunking outer goku and i have more so when your done ducking me hop in disc discord.gg/bAHxE55mDj
@@Monarch_Scalezyou said living world cap at 4D Meanwhile Living world is full with infinite hyperspaces and superdimensions Hyperspace= 6D wow dude have so much db knowledge
The afterlife in dbz is held by the universe. It is a place that has no space and time is infinite in size and transcends dimensions. That makes the afterlife hyperversal. Ssjgod Goku and Beerus fight was stated to threaten the very fabric of existence and destroy all the macrocosm including the afterlife, a hyperversal place. Ssjgod Goku nullified the punch meant to destroy the macrocosm and absorbed the god power he was using to fight beerus into his base form Goku in base= hyperversal Goku also moved a place with no time as Zeno destroyed trunks timeline and everything inside it including space and time. Goku later on went to look for Zeno and found him in trunks timeline which had no space and time and base Goku moved in it. He did the same thing in the null realm which was described to be devoid of space and time. That means Goku in base has inaccessible speed. Goku in base= hyperversal and inaccessible speed Also, in the battle of gods movie Goku's kanji (the symbol in his back) translated to super dimensional So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions Goku and Beerus fight is super dimensional and god Goku is as well and he absorbed the power into his base form so, Base Goku (ToP) = hyperversal and inaccessible speed and super dimensional. Also in the granola arc, Goku recognized something faster than instant transmission which teleported you through an infinite place in a finite time being the mortal universe and the afterlife and he recognized something faster than infinite speed in super Saiyan
@@mustafabaloch787Lowballed scale The Mortal realm in dragon ball is stated to have an infinite dimensional hierarchy by Akira toriyama ( the creator of dragon ball). An Infinite dimensional hierarchy is basically something with infinite spatial dimensions or an infinite hierarchy where each layer transcends the previous more than an Infinite amount. Destroying it would be High Hyperversal, but transcending it will be Outerversal. Super Sayian God Goku and Beerus fight was stated to threaten the very fabric of existence and destroy all the macrocosm including the mortal realm, a High Hyperversal place. Super Saiyan God Goku nullified the punch meant to destroy the macrocosm and absorbed the God power he was using to fight beerus into his base form and is stated to be equal to the power he had as a Super Saiyan God in Base. Base Goku = High Hyperversal. Goku also moved a place with no time as Zeno destroyed trunks timeline and everything inside it including space and time. Goku later on went to look for Zeno and found him in trunks timeline which had no space and time and base Goku moved inside that void of nothingness. He did the same thing in hell which was described to have no space or time and he was moving in there in Base. That means Goku in Base has Inaccessible Speed. Goku in base= High Hyperversal and Inaccessible Speed. Normal scale Tha afterlife is stated to transcend the mortal realm which is High Hyperversal. This makes the afterlife outerversal and Goku in super Saiyan god was gonna destroy it so he is Outerversal and absorbed the god power into his base so hes outerversal in base Base Goku = Outerversal A character cannot have irrelevant speed unless they are in tier 1-A or above (Outerversal - Boundless). If a character has irrelevant speed, speed is irrelevant no matter who they're facing(as the name implies). They're so fast that they're beyond speed itself. This means if you are Outerversal, you have Irrelevant Speed. Base Goku= Outerversal and Irrelevant speed As more proof that Goku is Outerversal, In the Battle of Gods movie Goku's Kanji (The symbol on his back) was chojigen which translateds to Super Dimensional and in the June 2013 V Jump (also canon) is stated to be a Super Dimensional fight so Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus are Super Dimensional. Super Dimensional scales to Outerversal so hes Outerversal Base Goku= Outerversal and Irrelevant Speed You could even scale him to High Outerversal
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Also forgot to mention koyama has stated several times that his statements are just his opinion, head cannon what ever you wanna call it but non of what he says is cannon
Yeah, Koyama's opinions are just opinions but if backed up credible sources, it does have some validity, don't you think.
@@YoungEmperor1159 yes somewhat but there are a few factrues you would need to take into account
@@Monarch_Scalez Give me your discord and we can debate. I don't have a mic though.
@@YoungEmperor1159 debate on what ?
@@Monarch_Scalez on if Goku can destroy super-dimensions.
I needed this cause middletrack somebody known for overrating goku says he’s outerversal and I’m scaling Archie sonic against him
The term "Super-Dimensional" is just in general means something that is higher or extra dimensional
thanks for clarifying
Wtf do you mean extra dimension. Super dimension means beyond the Concept of Dimensionality itself. Do your research buddy 😂.
@@HazenMaster he did do his research he made a whole vid about it ruclips.net/video/0H9JQf9vLdA/видео.htmlsi=QvnbSoG8-hDp4mtp
@Jk-debates it 5D and above not 4D because it 5D is one plane of infinity and Vsbw even has my back
@@munitykryis1121 what?
Bro didn't debunk anything imao he just left out the real scans and didn't even prove that it was universal at best only going off of "it was too much for the universe to handle".
💀 who is gonna tell nigga this is a old vid
Nigga check my newer videos.
@@Monarch_Scaleznigga ain't no way you trying to act hard on a youtube comment section💀this ain't discord lil bro.
Real he just showed some screenshots he take from google and now he thinks he debunked afterlife what an ret@rd@tion
🤡 you really think an universe is hyperversal 💀
The future of the anime fanbase is grim
@@Coldskin1 due to cosmology it can be people say scp single universe is outerversal why??
Because of cosmology do some research
WE MAKIN GOKUTARDS COPE WITH THIS ONE 🔥
yea but like.. another comment debunked this too
@@YourFavoriteBlueHedgehogGoku is Universal at best end of story besides just cuz he universal doesn't mean he'd lose to everyone other characters that scales higher
@@SaberHooksWs he still scales above universal tho
@@YourFavoriteBlueHedgehog Didn't MUI Goku struggle against moro who's like below Galaxy level
@@SaberHooksWswho told u that Moro is below galaxy 💀🙏 blud if u can't scale don't spit jack shit ☠️
Proving this kid wrong -
"An Infinite Space of light and darkness where the unknown lives.
- Daizenshuu 4, Page 18
"The Infinite Universe is managed by different Kaiō, mainly according to direction, with the Great Kaiō overseeing the places managed by the Kaiō, and the Kaiō of the East, West, South, and North managing the Universe. Finally, the Great Kaiō oversees the entire world."
- Daizenshuu 4, Page 54
"The Universe is the Space that extends infinitely and embraces all Forms that exist in the World. In the Universe, there are Nebulae containing countless Stars and Galaxies containing countless Nebulae. Each Galaxy has its own God. Earth resides in the Solar System, a Galactic Nebula at the Edge of the Northern Galaxy."
- Daizenshuu 7, Page 44
"Illumination of Galaxies and darkness that extends infinitely, Tens of Thousands of Light Years, Billions of Light Years, even light can't reach it. Countless unknown aliens and monsters that defy imagination live beyond the Stars." - Daizenshuu 4, Page 19
Time to debunk this. One, the super dimensional description of the CGI makes sence. The screenwriters are calling them superdimensional, not because of the animation quality which makes no sense but about the dimensions also using vsbattlewiki is just low since they wouldn't even scale Roshi to the moon for awhile so yes it is a terrible argument.
I'm not like the other debaters, I'm willing to have a rational and calm argument
are you debunking his take on debunk Goku or debunking more about Goku cuz I not watch anything about dragon ball
@@YoungEmperor1159 debunked..
Atte: dragón ball fan
Them saying super-dimensional even if I was to agree wouldn't get past 5d(as in Japanese there are to meanings of super dimensional 1 meaning beyond dimensionality and the other meaning above the already existing dimensions so in dbs case it would be 5d(also don't I know you in real life)😭
@@darkwarlocks9823His not debunking goku. It's the truth Goku was never 1-A to begin with
Personally this debunk was kind of bad I would want to have a debate to clear up some misunderstandings about the cosmology
👍👍discord.gg/sxcgGzYHPC if you want to discuss it we can talk here.
@@Monarch_Scalez can’t used discord we can talk here
@@Monarch_Scalezwhen can we debate?
@@DenHoodious i dont debate in comments section 🤷♂
@@Monarch_Scalez oh aight
u didnt debunk nothing.
Why don’t you debunk it then
You are a kid.
Btw it was stated that the afterlife trancendes all concepts of space and time so that’s outer in CSAP and it was stated that db universe has an ignite hier j’y of dimesions higher then last and unbreacbles hiercy to such as inaccessible cardinal so in VSBW their explanation for high outer is an unreachable infinity structure of dimesions
Conclusion
In VSBW it’s minim high outer and in CSAP it’s minimum outer
Clearly you don’t know what your raging so I’m gonna debunk it with mathematics, Let's delve into the mathematical intricacies of quantifying the power generated from Goku's punches, considering the principles we've explored in classical mechanics, quantum physics, and general relativity.
1. **Hamiltonian Dynamics and Universe Destruction:**
The power (\(P\)) generated from Goku's punch, contributing to universe destruction, can be linked to the change in kinetic energy:
\[ P = \frac{\Delta KE}{\Delta t}, \]
where \(KE\) is the kinetic energy associated with the punch's velocity, and \(\Delta t\) represents the time over which the punch is delivered. This aligns with Hamiltonian dynamics, where the punch's energy is intricately linked to the evolution of the universe's quantum state.
2. **Relativistic Dynamics and Speed Beyond Time Skip:**
Incorporating the relativistic dynamic equation (\(F = \frac{d}{dt}(\gamma m v)\)), the power exerted by Goku's punch becomes:
\[ P = Fv = \frac{d}{dt}(\gamma m v)v. \]
This formulation considers the evolving relativistic mass (\(\gamma m\)) and velocity (\(v\)), illustrating the dynamic interplay that contributes to the punch's power.
3. **String Theory and Dimension-Shattering:**
The power associated with Goku's punch, shattering dimensions, involves the vibrational modes of strings (\(N\)) and the string tension (\(\tau\)):
\[ P = N\hbar\omega = \frac{\tau}{2\pi\alpha'}\int d\sigma \, (\partial_t X \partial_t X + \partial_x X \partial_x X), \]
where \(X\) represents the spatial coordinates of the string. This equation relates the punch's power to the vibrational dynamics intrinsic to the dimension-shattering event.
4. **General Relativity and Survival within a Singularity:**
Power considerations within the gravitational field near a singularity (\(P = \frac{dE}{dt}\)) involve the Schwarzschild metric and the energy-momentum tensor:
\[ P = -\frac{d(Mc^2)}{dt} = -\frac{d}{dt}\int dV \sqrt{-g} T^{00}. \]
Here, \(M\) is the mass of the singularity, \(c\) is the speed of light, \(g\) is the determinant of the metric, and \(T^{00}\) represents the energy density.
5. **Quantum Superposition in Infinite Dimensional Shaking:**
Quantifying the power from Goku's punch, shaking an infinite dimension, incorporates the probability density (\(
ho\)) associated with the wave function (\(\Psi\)):
\[ P = \frac{\hbar}{2m}\Im\left(\Psi^*\frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial x}
ight). \]
This expression relates the power generated by the punch to the imaginary part of the derivative of the wave function, reflecting the probabilistic nature of the quantum superposition.
6. **Quantum Tunneling in Battle Dynamics:**
The power associated with Goku's punch during battle dynamics, considering quantum tunneling, intertwines with the uncertainty principle:
\[ P \Delta t \geq \frac{\hbar}{2}. \]
This inequality reflects the inherent uncertainty in the power and time parameters, offering insight into the probabilistic nature of Goku's punches during intense combat.
7. **Quantum Coherence in Galaxy Creation and Absorption:**
Calculating the power generated during the creation and absorption of a galaxy involves the coherent state (\(\ket{\phi}\)) and the density matrix (\(
ho\)):
\[ P = \Tr\left(
ho \frac{d\hat{H}}{dt}
ight). \]
Here, \(\hat{H}\) represents the Hamiltonian operator associated with the galactic transformation, and \(\Tr\) denotes the trace operation.
These mathematical formulations, drawing from various realms of physics, provide a nuanced understanding of the power generated by Goku's punches. The equations encapsulate the diverse physical principles that converge in the fantastical realm of Dragon Ball.
Fax + Ignore the "ReBuNkErS". Goku is strong but not the strongest. Also i've seen peopel say he's high outer for having R>F on another verse, which isnt how R>F works...
A Huge W, I saw Many ppls Calling Goku Extraversal which Sounds Weird btw Fax and W
Ow you from kings scaling server
@@Monarch_Scalez yea
Ok so this debunks absolutely nothing, since not only did you disregard the cosmology of the universe and where we can quantifiably scale it at, but make a general claim that since the scan verbatim states “too much for the Universe to handle” that it’s referring to a 3-Dimensional Universe and ONLY a universe that fulfills the criteria for being at bare minimum 3-A in power scaling, which is a hasty generalization and a false equivalence on your end, the last scan also contradicts your line of thinking so I’ll take it that you lack the ability to read as well? Like what, that’s a blatant conflicting conditions, redo this LMFAO.
DB universe is infinite and Buuhan's scream was going to destroy that, Ssj God's was going to shatter the universe. There are infinite amount of galaxies, realms with different space time, the afterlife does not have time and much More. These alone are enough to put Goku at Complex multi - hyperversal. Actually Goku scales above this but it would be too long to explain.
Debunked.
The Universe has an edge and isn't infinite, the verse doesn't have infinite hierarchies and dimensions, the afterlife is the same size as the Universe making it only 4D max. Lmao hyperversal? More like Low Multiversal
@@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x counter -
It does not have an edge, infact the upper part of the living world Is called universe, for more clarification we can say the observable universe since there are part of universe which are unseen and that was the part that bulma mentions. The author's themselves states it and you can't deny it. Koyama's statement, Toriyama's statements etc etc. the afterlife, living world both are infinite infinite hierarchies, dimensions and realms as stated my authors. There's no time in afterlife, there are different space time for different realms, different dimentionalities etc etc. with all these at the bare minimum this macrosm stands at 6D.
@@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x you debunked nothing, instead you just ignored several statements made by authors.
@@popl-chan My counter to your counter.
Koyama said his words isn't valid, and stated to have not been talking about Dragon Ball cosmology but his own common belief. Which gives me the edge again.
@@popl-chan Infinite Hierarchies? Lmao since when did that got mentioned? The Universe isn't infinite like again.
People keep saying Dragon Ball universe is 10× bigger than our Universe. But the funny fact is using that logic proves my point. Cuz our Universe isn't infinite.
Goku ain’t Hyper, he’s technically Low Multi, and in highball could possibly be High Multi
bro goku is low-complex multiversal at least
@@mohamedexedell7973 yeah, i changed my mind, he is, but he’s still not beating Kirby and Sonic lol
@@HaiderRaps yea
@@HaiderRapsfacts
He's 7 layers into outer
Thank you so much Bro you are a legend
Im tired of these DBZ Fans saying That Goku is Outer or Hyperversal
i suggest you watch some of my newer vids on the topic
Ikr he’s boundless
@@Monarch_Scalez alr
@@gjidgjdfjdfii He's beyond the tiering system
Probably didn't even understand anything in the scan lol you probably was just angry that Goku was so powerful and decided to take anything even a fake debunk as fact.
Middletrack joined the chat*
jk-debates left the chat*
Still waiting for the debunk after 11 months
?what
@@Monarch_Scalez you didn't debunk anything my guy 😭
@@Brokenleg-o8r discord.com/channels/1152884683160420466/1152884683646967840
shatter thorough dimensions what's the source of that Context?
Pfp checks out :)
And some people scales Dbs verse to high outerversal and even BOUNDLESS
It's true
@@gokusoIosBro is blind
@@eddikaep how
@@gokusoIos Because after Debunked still Goku tards saying: GoKu In BaSe Is BoUnDlEsS - 🤓🤡
@@eddikaep never been debunked
Diazenshu statement : toriyama never tells us about how much the ss state exactly increases your power levels ; in fact,he claims in later saga’s that there’s no way to mathematically measure the increase
Conclusion : super saiyan is a increase that cannot be measured mathematically meaning its power increase beyond mathematics itself which means ss is itself alone is outerversal 💀
That was in a boardgames not the daizenshu
@@Monarch_Scalezis there a difference that makes this argument irrelevant?
@@BlockoPepperjackCheese what?
@@Monarch_Scalez You said it was in a board game, is there a reason that a statement from that board game that I’m assuming is from Akira Toriyama himself, that makes this statement irrelevant?
@DizzleDogg akira toryiama had no hand in its creation, actually the board game is so inconsistent it claims the sun in the dragon ball is larger than the living world 😐
bro debunked nothing lmao
prove that
@@Monarch_Scalez Kid look you’re not okay lol here we go: Dbz Frieza 2nd form was stated to able to destroy a universe. Goku at the end of z is thousands of time stronger than Frieza. In DBS goku base is billions of times stronger than z . Now imagine mui he’s easily multiversal to Hyperversal Goku. While in Ui he shook the top void an infinite void with no time. The Dbz universe is no ordinary universe each realm is infinite giving him infinite power. He traveled through the afterlife which infinite. Other feats are Moving faster than a being who can skip time. shattering a dimension made by the time skipper.Fighting and actually injuring the fusion of his alternative self and a immortal deity with his energy blast even though he was near exhaustion and could hardly stand before he did it.Casually smashing through the hardest material in the dragon ball universe with regular punches.Generating so much energy wih his punches that along with beerus’s punches they contributed to the near destruction of universe 7. His punches are so strong that he has to constantly punch a certain way to minimise the destruction caused by them. Rival or surpass Jiren (not full power) that have power that transcend time in speed.
@@killeroak9912 lol, give me your discord, boy
@@killeroak9912he ain’t text u bck
@@kojigoatcause he can't cause he knows he's wrong
The afterlife in dbz is held by the universe. It is a place that has no space and time is infinite in size and transcends dimensions. That makes the afterlife hyperversal.
Ssjgod Goku and Beerus fight was stated to threaten the very fabric of existence and destroy all the macrocosm including the afterlife, a hyperversal place. Ssjgod Goku nullified the punch meant to destroy the macrocosm and absorbed the god power he was using to fight beerus into his base form
Goku in base= hyperversal
Goku also moved a place with no time as Zeno destroyed trunks timeline and everything inside it including space and time. Goku later on went to look for Zeno and found him in trunks timeline which had no space and time and base Goku moved in it. He did the same thing in the null realm which was described to be devoid of space and time. That means Goku in base has inaccessible speed.
Goku in base= hyperversal and inaccessible speed
Also, in the battle of gods movie Goku's kanji (the symbol in his back) translated to super dimensional
So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions
Goku and Beerus fight is super dimensional and god Goku is as well and he absorbed the power into his base form so,
Base Goku (ToP) = hyperversal and inaccessible speed and super dimensional.
Also in the granola arc, Goku recognized something faster than instant transmission which teleported you through an infinite place in a finite time being the mortal universe and the afterlife and he recognized something faster than infinite speed in super Saiyan
Fax my brother 🗣️🗣️
@@gamerzbasspatrol thanks
W
@@gregkareem9824 thanks bro
@@nifemiseton-soares6957let me tell you if you are using what koyama says
let me tell you it doesn't work
and Goku does not go beyond low multiversal
Now its time for rebunk
Rebunk 1 :
Gogeta's power is so great that it:
Breaks reality
Transcends universal laws
Manipulates time & space
This means Gogeta operates on a higher level, beyond the universe's boundaries, making him a Self-Dimensional entity.
In short:
Gogeta's power > Universal laws
Gogeta = Self-Dimensional entity
Rebunk 2 :
Gogeta's feats:
- Manipulate reality
- Warp time & space
- Exist beyond the universe
Implies his existence is beyond conventional dimensions. His dimensions are not just physical, but encompass reality manipulation, making him more than just a simple dimensional scale.
In short:
Gogeta's powers > Conventional dimensions
Gogeta = Reality manipulator
Rebunk 3 :
Gogeta's feats:
- Manipulate reality
- Warp time & space
- Exist beyond universe
Implies Super Dimensional existence. Lack of context or unclear animation doesn't disprove it.
In short:
Gogeta's powers > Conventional dimensions
Gogeta = Super Dimensional
Rebunk 4 :
Dragon Ball scans:
Different dimensions ≠ Higher dimensions
But Gogeta's powers:
Manipulate reality
Warp time & space
Showcase a higher level of existence, making him Super Dimensional.
In short:
Gogeta's powers > Conventional dimensions
Gogeta = Super Dimensional
And ,
In the context of VS Battles Wiki (VSBW) and Dragon Ball, "manipulating reality and space-time" is a common trait associated with Super Dimensional entities.
Super Dimensional beings are considered to exist beyond the conventional understanding of dimensions, and their abilities reflect this. Manipulating reality and space-time is a hallmark of such entities, as it demonstrates their ability to operate outside the normal boundaries of existence.
So, in this context:
Manipulate reality & space-time = Super Dimensional
Keep in mind that this is specific to the VS Battles Wiki and Dragon Ball frameworks. In other contexts or fictional universes, the terms and definitions might differ.
Rebunk 5 :
Dragon Ball human realms > 4D:
- Goku's Instant Transmission: Teleports across space, potentially bypassing 3D.
- Whis's Abilities: Manipulates reality, time, and space, hinting at >4D.
- Zeno's Omni-Presence: Exists beyond reality and time, suggesting >4D.
- Gogeta's Powers: Warps reality and time-space, hinting at >4D.
- Uub's Dimensional Travel: Travels between dimensions, suggesting >4D human realms.
These points show human realms in Dragon Ball can exist beyond 4D.
So , it's a rebunk of this video ..... 💔
@@UltimateZxgaming ... this is a old video
@@Monarch_Scalez 😂😂 you got me with this" This is an old video".. Btw no hate to your channel❤
@@Monarch_Scalez majin buu ( more than millions of years ago) was considered as a universal level threat(stated by the kais). and in battle of gods too kaioshin said that if the battle continues then and goku doesnt control his ki then the universe(including all the realms such as hell, otherworld etc. would be destroyed). and if you have watched dragon ball then, you would know that the dbs power jumps are beyond crazy. the goku rn is a billion times stronger than the buu saga goku to say the least
Ur rite hes not hyper hers outer and mybe above
W
Where do u scale goku right now ? I wanna
Know
Cuz some fanboys say he is High outer !
He's low outer at best
@@chaosblitz1352Have a say he's high
He's boundless or higher he's lowballed at hyperveral
His Low Multiversal with MFTL+ to Infinite depending on you scale the size of the DB universe.
@@brandonontama2415 If you take sources like the Daizenshuu, he scales to low outer or high complex multi
The dbz mortal universe is an infinite space where LIGHT and DARKNESS lives in the daizenshuu scan, that has infinite dualities such as ying and yang. Ying yang have light, darkness on each opposite color. That grants type 3 true general transduality since the mortal universe transcends or goes beyond the limits of a conceptual duality. And dbz ssj forms can't be mathematically scaled or measured anymore in the RPG guidebooks. That makes goku above mathematics and Gogeta > goku. Being above mathematics makes you high outerversal to boundless
Bro but goku doesn't even know coun-
@@rudeffx_1p What
trancending mathematics without context(aka cardinals or axioms) scales absolutely nowhere
No one is boundless in db
prove it@@MarkforgeCaps
Try to debunk Omega shenron shaking the macrocosm that holds an infinite amount of space times
When you can prove that actually happened, then Maybe I will...
@@Monarch_ScalezIn Dragon Ball GT, the narrator of the episode mentioned ‘Boundless Galaxies’.
@@KingRycon so?
Ok unrelated question so u see mortal realms caps at 4d and in the diazenshuu it was stated otherworld as a transcendal realm which would make that realm 5d and it was clearly stated that realm is part of uni 7 cosmology wouldn't that make it 5d. and i have more questions first answer this
It's stated to transcend the dimensionality of the human realm so yes it would be 5d
@@Monarch_Scalez thankyou for the answer so in the beerus vs Goku fight they almost destroyed entire macrocasm of uni 7 pls don't tell me it was beerus who was doing it cuz to cancel out an attack Goku need to apply same force as beerus and strike him at same angle so wouldn't that make Goku atleast 5d and in anime it was stated Goku absorbed God form in his base form so he can be considered 5d in base so low complex according to vsbw since his power was capable enough to destroy a 5d structure .
@@Flick2417 yeah
@@Flick2417 he would be low-complex
@@Monarch_Scalez ok thank u see Goku is my fav character but I'm not a gokutard or anything cuz some people degrade him to galaxy and low multi which i Dont like.
you debunked absolutely nothing
He did cry
@@7w7Just-Epic7w7 Goku is still Outer - High Outer, my point stands, he didn't debunk anything
@@eth.1s Bro opm fans didnt say anything when terra 3 cosmic garou got debunked to galaxy level because he also boundless to infinite layer.
@@eth.1sgoku is planetary
@@7w7Just-Epic7w7 He didn't get debunked? Post that debunk here.
There’s other Goku scales that easily scale him to boundless
Well those are just dragon ball who only watch super you could interpret that goku is at least high multi or the high ball is low complex multi
Bro debunked nothing 😂
@@Game0saur_ 1. Old video 2. We can run the debate
drip sauce alr destroyed you and rebunk goku scales his outerversal now.
Thank you for reminding me that I lost to him in a debate 3½years ago (that has really rebuked my debunk) and don't just dickride try debunking it yourself(no offence) and I have new videos you might want to see before commenting.
@@Monarch_Scalez umm when I was dickriding that is just pure facts and do not judge someone before you know who he is which is obviously not you (no offence)
And bro is really talking in a 3.5 year video I thought you would not even respond.
@@Monarch_Scalez no offence but I just don't see why people hate goku this much
@@power6487cuz his fans scale him just ridiculous levels, like you
@@kdxdeadman I do not scale i just see and tell my thought on it I see some people who scale goku to these levels are kinda right not just drip sauce .
And they are into always aggressive they mostly show actual proof u can find in the guidebooks or the manga and I do not see a single angry db fan these days but yea the fandom is toxic but at least most of then give actual proof saitama fanbase gave logic from their shit and are aggressive at least both are not like mha fans
aint debunk shit brody 💀
proof?
@@Monarch_Scalezyou didn't say anything about the DB universe containing super dimensions in the RNG guides LMAO and this was specifically stated.
Here we go again
The battle was literally stated to be superdimensional/beyond dimensions
AKA knows as outerversal in scaling
You think your opinion is more reliable than the screen writer of db😂
Despite him saying its just his opinion
Lets not forget as a screen writer of db
He has more knowledge of db than us
Making his opinion more reliable than fans
And even toriyama himself said that his staffs information are more reliable than himself
Making koyama statements even more reliable
😭dumbest shit i have seen in a while,
firstly just because its titled a super dimensional battle that dosent scale it anywhere and you trying to use that to scale is a nominal fallacy
also Super dimensional in the Japanese raws is super - dimensional which is commonly used to refer to the spectacle of an event or action so it dosent scale anywhere
secondly koyama aint the writer of dragonball he made 5 movies of dragonball and non of them are cannon(he wasnt even a major player he was just the screen writer)
also if he says he isnt reliable but you still take him as a credible source you are being ignorant from pigheadedness 🤣🤣
also toriyama meant his direct staff(THAT WORKED ON THE DIZZENCHU ARE MORE RELIABLE THAN HIM)
koyama did not make the dizzenchu neither is he a direct staff of toriyama and toriyama dosent even work on dbs anymore he just gives toei and shonen jump notes of what he would like to see
so its very lickly his opinion has changed on who is credible amoung his staff.
@@Monarch_Scalez yeah that shit is dumb
outerversal is beyond all concepts of dimensions
super dimesional/transcendental dimension is still a fking dimension🤦♀
@@Coldskin1 🤦🏾♂️😭 I can't even respond to this cause this comment is so old I don't even remember what I said.
@@Monarch_Scalez 🤣 dumbest debunk I have see
1st when the show it self is explaining the battle how that can't be use for scaling
2nd super dimensional is not commonly used just a reminder Goku Vs beerus battle was stated to be hyperdimensional
Even a battle where characters was going to wipe out hell heaven
The term super dimensional was not used
So it's not common
3rd He have worked for cannon dragon
4th as mentioned already everyone one has his own opinion but when it comes to the staff opinion that have worked in the show before his opinion is considered more valid that random people cause he have worked in the show dumbass
@Forger374 😐🤨😭 am gonna assume you are either very young OR you don't speak english.
Super-Dimensional in the Japanese language is a word use to define an event that is extraordinary (also bro i never said super dimensional is commonly used in dragon ball i mean in the JAPANESE LANGUAGE its is commonly used to describe extraordinary events so its scales nowhere.)
2. Berry's and gokus fight being called hyperdimensional dosent scale anywhere cause firstly that's a nominal fallacy secondly I don't think you understand the naming conventions used in japan
3.No koyama has never worked for cannon dragon ball, even if he did he would have to WORK DIRECTLY UNDER TORYIAMA for his word to be valid.
😭 nigga he said its just his opinion and that toryiama has NEVER agreed with his views before so if toryiama has never agreed to it then its not cannon and also this argument you keep copying and pasting from reddit is an appeal to authority fallacy 😭 how can you be calling me a dumbass when you have the linguistic skills of a fucking toddler
Bro Goku is outer 💀
Not to forget he shook the whole universe in his God form which is not his strongest form
In perspective a solar system in DBZ has countless of stars which could lead that a singel dimension is Infinite in mass and size
Each dimension in one universe is Infinite
Which leads God Goku to Multiversal at best
But if were talking about Tournament of power Goku
Then he scales to outerversal because of that fact that he fought Serious Jiren which base jiren is stronger than his own god of Destruction which a normal god of destruction could destroy a universe with ease
And if you remember what i said earlier a Universe in DBZ is immeasurable because of his realm containing infinity size and mass
Which puts Goku (TOP) to low-High outer
While base goku to high multiversal-low hyperversal
Because he is already 1 billion times stronger than his first time using God
its funny how everything you said gets debunked by my recent video
Anyways, that still scales goku, vegeta, broly and gogeta above rimuru (low complex-complex multiversal)
rimuru un-ironically scales above that
Naming fallacy they only cracked the universe not even an multiversal feat
@@Coldskin1 Oh well, this video clearly debunks an hyperversal goku to complex multi, that wasn't really my opinion about the power scale, the point is that rimuru only scales to high multi, likely low 1-C. Also yeah, ik nv rimuru is a lot stronger, i think it was high hyperversal or something like, but i wasn't talking about that version.
@@Coldskin1 well, if you see the u7, it literally has 3 universes in it, being the mortal universe and the other world, which has heaven and hell in it. They are also separated in spacetime, so ssjg goku is at least low multi, cuz of affecting the entire universe, including the supreme kai planet, which is outside the mortal world and otherworld.
Bro fr skipped the important scans 💀
HOW???!!! yall keep saying that but give no proof on how i skipped over points
@@Monarch_Scalez Plus, super dimensions only has Jigen (元 ) is point, dimensions and dimensionality. Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensions
That is his meaning, so it would be invalid to say without propper context this time, koyama statements are 50/50, sience he said it was his opinión, however he also is part of the staff related to db, meaning that his opinión is reliable when it comes to Knowledge of the franchise plus, toriyama stated that the staff words are as reliable as his
You skipped also the after life scans, that proofs the Trascendance of that structure begin Beyond dimensions, the Trascendance meaning as cho jigen too
There are also plenty of statements of the hakaishin's power begin Beyond dimensionality too.
@@thesnowwoman luckly all your points will be addressed in my next goku vid coming out tmrw
@@Monarch_Scalez debunk or scale ? Because you need to really proof how super dimensions aren't Beyond dimensionality and other statements
and to add onto this the afterlife is transcedental(meaning on a spiritual level) not transcendent to the living world
making the afterlife only universal (4d)
making goku only low multi
and then we could just say the goku u7 shaking feat falls under composition fallacy
making goku low universal
This can be debunked as in the daisenshu it said heaven is a dimensionality trandental country that looks down upon the world ( meaning the living universe) which is not on a spirtual level, just to clear that up, just stopping people spreading mis information
Goku scale to 5D minimum anyone disagrees hop on voice chat
Wrong
Always multiversal
4-7D is multiversal and 11-12 D is Low-High Complex Multiversal
4D is universal+
@@Quarzsx Oh yeah
Summed up this debunk isn't complete correct and goku could still be scaled to low complex multi in the anime
I guess we can agree to disagree have a nice day
db caps at low multiverse,
goky is low low low low uni or galaxy level
god of destruction(like beruus) is uni level
angel/zeno is low multiverse
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@@Bread0Bread appreciate it bro
Tripping lol
Tf is this
Goku is "Low Complex Multiverse"
didnt debunk; just stated opinions and false info
this isnt debunking in a debate this would js be ac
Anyway, this moment is cool and epic in the movie.
am i the only one who had goku at high uni instead of low multi
Nope me too, he's high universal at best
@@neonmike6152 The macrocosim is an infinite 5d structure since Otherworld is a higher plane of existance then the living world making Otherworld 4d and the Supreme Kai’s world transcending Otherworld making it 5d. But since the living universe, Otherworld, and the Supreme Kai’s world are all infinite in size, it puts the DB macrocosim at infinite 5d. Since goku was unintentionally threatening to destroy this when he clashed punches with beerus in his SSG form and later on absorbed SSG into his base, making his base infinite 5d, non-debunkable
Bro Forgot the fact that koyama said that this was his opinion because he literally was getting death threats in his DM. So he said that this was his opinion. But his statements were From directly the DB Guide books which are written by the whole dragon ball team (Koyama also). The guide books are cannon. Still don't belive me? I'm damn sure you forgot that the events of dr. Slump occured in the dragon ball earth. Dr. Slump is above tiering. So db cosmology is above tiering. Yamcha solos fiction🤣
😭fr? ok prove it... this is what yall like to use as an excuse, prove it when he ever said he was getting death threats
Bro his dm got leaked
This is cap beyond belief
Space and time cannot exist without each other, and if one doesn't exist, than neither does dimensionality
With otherworld feats and Toriyama stating that current Ssj Goku is beyond mathematics, Goku is already high outerversal, gogeta would just be beyond that
Firstly this is an old video
2.your wrong, time is a quantity that inherently needs space for it'd existence as time is the progression of matter in a linear sequence
But space is just the distance between 2 or more particles and dosent inherently need time to exist
And also dimensionality as a whole is dependent on SPACE not TIME what you are referring too are temporal axis...
@@Monarch_Scalez then how about this, if the living universe in dragon ball caps at infinite 3d since it is infinite in size. As otherworld cannot be affected, altered, exited or entered by 3d dimension beings makes it an infinite 4d structure since otherworld is also infinite in size. And the supreme Kai’s world transcending Otherworld and it being a high plane of existance puts it at 5d, but since it it is infinite in size it is Infinite 5d, putting the DB Macrocosim at infinite 5d.
The mere clashes between goku and beerus were sending shockwaves throught the macrocosim and was threatening to destroy it and leaving nothing left but an empty void which was stated by Supreme Kai. The same Macrocosim that is Infinite 5d. (Keep in mind that they were doing this unintentionally).
And you can’t even use the exuse that it was mainly beerus’s fault since Goku was the one to cancel out the shockwaves after he got a better control over his new found SSG power. He then proceeds to absorb this same SSG power into his base form so his base for post battle of gods is equal to SSG goku during battle of gods. Putting Goku at the bare minimum of infinite 5d and possibly 6d depending on how you scale him but saying he is infinite 5d isn’t possible to debunk without being unreasonably biased.
@@landonnord1347that's not outerversal though. That's low complex multi with daizenhuu statements so you essentially didn't add anything of value.
@@Nothingtoseriousfr I am talking about the Dr. Slump scale big bro
Ur right dbs cosmology isn't hyperversal. Is is wayyy higher. Lets do this short and clear. First i want to say that toryama himself said data books are canon and in this data book states that after life is dimensionality transcending realm making after life outervesal. And guees what? Base goku after absorbing ssg can destroy all of uni7 making base goku outervesal but this is still low ball if you takes dr slump verse that is also canon to dbs cosmology it makes the verse above tiering system
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Bro debunked absolutely nothing i can debunk this shi in no time
Song?
my ordinary life by the living tombstone
I cannot find this specific version give me a link please @aspectgd
ruclips.net/video/9Zj0JOHJR-s/видео.html@@firebeam24
I don't about other db fans I never thought goku was hyper
Goku manga:high universal
Goku Anime:universal+
But manga is more current and goku did never absorb ssg in manga and manga is more current
Goku 3 layers into outer (low-midball)
Goku high outer (mid ball)
L Scaling
Im a hard Dragon Ball fan, and stating Goku is Hyperversal is some bs.
extreme bs
Nah it’s not it is very possible to get DB to at least Low Hyper through some scans.
@captainrantman3892 yeah man universe caps at 6d
Goku in TUI is High Complex Multiversal and could be Low Hyperversal
@shinehvvshinehvv probably low multiversal complex
Goku will always be a dc atom victim
We can run goku vs comp dc
This debunk is straight ass
Fax
Goku one shots dc and marvel verse they already got debunked the cosmology low complex muti
Cho jigen, cho mean super which is what it is called in dragon ball super, or it is called beyond, jigen means dimention or dimensionality
So yeah, just to clear that up
yk its funny when people who dont speak Japanese try to claim things about Japanese,
1. Super dimensional is not an actual term in the Japanese dialect neither is it an actual concept in physics, maths and any other branch of science
2. Chō Jigen does not translate to super dimensional, it translates to either higher, ultra or trans dimensional its only when you translate super dimensional in English to Japanese and then back to English in any translator thats when you get Super dimensional which on its own dosent mean anything,
@@Monarch_Scalez yh and ultra also means beyond
@@lightinthedark-hw1qd 1. what was been talked about in the scan was super dimensional so even if you were right ulta dimensional couldnt matter her
2. ultra dimensional just means higher dimensional which is at best 4D
Broly was fighting gogeta in the living universe, which is Infinite 4d, due to an author of dragon ball living on earth, and that author trancends the reality of the game world in dragon ball heros, scalling the living universe as low outer which makes it Infinite 5d and their destroying dimentions of that accidently which have been stated to be a super dimention, or trancending it, so your wrong and wouldn't make it a finite 4d construct
Goku thearten to destroy heaven which transcend dimension:
goku and beerus
beerus as in the literal strongest god of destruction who is more powerful than jiren
composition fallacy at its finest 😔
threatening is not a feat lil bro
@@H4CKP4CK it gonna destroy it anyway if they don't stop
State by whis and old kai lil bro
Dbs is outer not hyper
Buddy you debunked nothing, you literally just added some random pictures saying something about it which it doesn't say at all and i cant even read some of that stuff cause its so blurry.
ruclips.net/video/gvgcsz1Npi8/видео.htmlsi=MrTKdXwqNOeF3iEz
This is an old video watch this one instead
Goku fan that doesn’t know how to scale gonna cry yo can you do rimuru LN scale
BRO I CANT READ NOTHING
Still beats rimuru
Firstly irrelevant secondly dream on
@@Monarch_ScalezGoku slams In SSG anime rimuru. Kakumei Goku even tho not cannon would beat both Manga and Light Novel Mid Diff.
@@shinehvvshinehvv 👏 ok?(dont agree but , ok)
@@Monarch_Scalezcope son
@@aizenglazer1 dude you have 2 subs and i dont even know you 😒, instead of trying to be toxic at least try to say something constructive.👌
3D*
The human realm inst infinite
Yes, the human kingdom is infinite.
@@timerift4142 and BEING MENTIONED AS INFINITELY EXPANSIVE AND ALL OTHER REALMS BEING MIRRORED the same size as human kingdom/base universe.
@@OriginalCharacterOc Actually, I was meaning to say about Zeno's dimension, Tournament of Power dimension and after-death dimension, in addition to the fact that the Dragon Ball omniverse is four-dimensional when interacting with Zamasu, which is Four-dimensional, that is, the Human Realm being a higher dimension goes beyond 4D, that is, 5D.
@@OriginalCharacterOc That's literally what I meant bro
Who made this rat scale
💀
And why are you debunking something that is already contradicts itself
Who ever made the scale doesn't know how to scale it to hyper 💀
And 1 more thing super dimensions without context are scalable to 5D ( without cosmology)
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🤡🤡🤡
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People say that him transcends Space-Time ☠️
if u gonna debunk make it readable and not 140p 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Am sorry 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Rimuru slams this lasergun level fodder🤣
fax
rimuru is debunked 4D\5D fodder still get clapped from goku
this guy didnt debunked anything
heaven still could get to 6D and above same with macrocosom and hell and the void
goku with KI control shacked all of these worlds
he isnt hyperversal to be real becouse db cosmology is 8D\9D
but he is like 7D low-complex multiversal or complex
@@mohamedexedell7973 nah LOL
Rimuru slams goku ass
Even accelerator slams Goku
@@78Stranger22"Even accelerator " you know that accelerator neggs rimuru right
and really both are debunkable
but i would say yea accelerator maby win
but rimuru nah z goku victim
his WN is non cannon
but LN is cannon but its still dosent surpass 5D with debunk ofc
goku is 6D+ with high-end universes
go read db feats + cosmology + daizenshuu and koyama statemetns
who said that rimuru beat goku is dumpas*
@@mohamedexedell7973 reference books are not canon, besides, it contradicts the narrative of DBz + you have changed the context of the afterlife
universe 7 is like 5D-6D
infinite size tho
You don't debunk anything your just saying all the statements are false without debunk anything. 😂😂😂
Bro rumours fans are just mindless to accept the the humans in OGDB are scale higher then all the gay versa.
what statements 😭 i never said any scan was fake unless i had a reason(which i wouldnt need scans for as there would be no corresponding scans) watch before you leave hate please👌❤
@@Monarch_Scalez
and for DB NORMAL COSMOLOGY:
her is the debunk.
For the temporary world, it is 3D, the ruler's palace, which is a separate dimension from the temporary world, and contains all the layers in the temporary world, which transcending all infinite layers by Tokiyama's statement , each unit of which transcending the other and transcending them in 4D, and the ruler's palace contains four rooms, each one containing the other and being In a dimension completely separated by time and space continuity from the temporary world and the ruler's palace, there are four rooms equal to four dimensions, each transending the other 8D and containing the world of demons or the underworld, which is equal to the temporary world And it has been proven that there are super dimensions in the temporary world in Light Novel, in which Gogeta and Broly fight, and it is called "a battle in the super dimensions" And super dimensions is another meaning of transcending dimensions that makes the human world or the temporary world HIGH HYPERVERSAL ( low ball).
and this is only in half of the microcauses.
Daizenshow 4 statement :
"Heaven transcending dimensions can't be perceived from the human world".
Which means it's beyond dimensions in the temporary world that are high hyperversal ( low ball).
Super Game Guide Book and Tokiyama's statement :
"Afterlife doesn't have the concept of time"
and doesn't have time meaning doesn't have space And the topic was talking about why ssj3 wastes time in the temporary world and not in Afterlife because it his no concept of time.
Which makes Afterlife outerversal structure by all standards (Not to mention the afterlife having infinite layers all transcending each others + the bubbles of other universes + the black ocean (I forget what it's called) that covers the universe that transcending their existence + the Zeno Realm that lies above all universes and the black ocean that transcending their existence because every realm in DB is called HIGHER realm OR NEW EXISTENCE + INFINITE TIMELINES Each of them contains these structures )
(Wich makes normal DB COSMOLOGY INFINITE TO INACCESSIBLE LAYERS INTO BEYONDLAS)
(WITHOUT USING DR.SLUMP COSMOLOGY). ☠♾
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Transcending dimensions = higher dimensions/realms = Extra dimensions/realms.
Debunk all canon statement Which Toriyama states is official on the cover of Daizensho 7 if you can little fodder
@@Monarch_Scalez
DB HUMANS ( without Dr.slump COSMOLOGY)>>>> Anime + DC + MARVL + WoD.
@@Monarch_Scalez no hate man But your ignorance of the terminology that describes a thing or a place, and that you do not read the statements and sources that have been proven by the author, is that it is the canon of the main story on the cover of Daizensho 7 that all copies of Daisencho and the Super Game guide book and Tokiyama's statements canon to the main story.
So either you are ignorant or one of DB downplayer .
@@Monarch_Scalezbuddy u didn't debunk shit stop the cap
Debunking? Lmfao😂😂😂
@@ARAM_KURD we can run the debate lil bro
@@Monarch_Scalez haha
First of all your PFP says a lot lmao
Get rimuru past multiversal and we we'll talk about her going against base goku
@ARAM_KURD "haha"🤓👆
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Don't duck hop on. Discord
With this treasure I fu*king summon i summon @Middletrack the opp stopper I’m going to die first because I can’t handle him.
(I realize this video is old)
goated debunk
Bruh i can scale Kid Goku to Outer
ok bro
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🫵🫵🫵🫵
Goku base >>>>>>>>>scp fundación, Goku ssj 1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction
Goku true ui >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>memes (no db)
Es joda verdad? 💀🙏
@@Engege491 no, Goku le gana con el ui, incluido memes, comics y ficcion
L scp solos infinite neg dif
@@marvelous971-j6m jajaja, NO GOKU SOLOS + FICTION + MEMES
@@TIRANOT1 scp,wod, ben ten,dc, and marvel solo goku and their verse.
Hey debunk MidLtrack
Goku solo all.
Krilin solos🗿
Female Musashi, Artoria, Sasaki Koijiro, Gilgamesh, King Hassan, Ishtar, Arjuna + Arjuna Alter, Karna, Muramasa;....:Are you sure about that
@@uchophamxuan6515 Anos 0.1% to all fodder you just named: Are you sure about that?
@@Blazkyu all of them: Yes, we can obliberate u anytime we want
@@uchophamxuan6515 Anos Goku solo neg diff
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Goku a lo mucho es multiversal bajo complejo
Naw el es outer
Midku not e even complex 💀
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Goku doesn't lifting 400t
You can watch actual scaling videos, and you will see how absolutely wrong you are lol
Goku is low to high multiversal not outerversal for now
Hes complex multiversal
@@uzookafor8721higher
U didn't debunk nothing the human real doesn't cap at 4d if u think this ur a 🤡
Goku slams and you cant debunk goku like what and gogeta actually destroy reality and dimesion and he was teleported into a space thay didn't exist stop making these video we know you a goku hater like stop this is what goku haters do. And goku slams like he was about to destroy a universe along with heaven and hell which is infitne in size which the ball universe like big as boundless because the Kai planets like universe size and other planete to and the underworld and other dimensions way bigger to like outer and boundless like it's crazy and goku was about to destroy all of that so goku slams
Everything you just said scales nowhere 👍😭
Rimuru trash
Nice debunk ill take it into account next time
He’s a cool character
@@Monarch_Scalez Rimuru trash
@@BillCipherandFreddyKreugerFan Anime Girl=🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️, Superficial "cool" characteristics and attitudes, Flatt MID character + cringe, Bill is the true cool character.
@@TheGreatGroribas agreed
so small
Goku ss 3 is boundless cry about that
Thanks for not providing evidence 👍😃
Almost died to frieza (Debunked to Low Multiversal), Dies all the time (Debunked to Low Uni)
Bro ain't passing over 4d
@@Bread0Breadhe's 5D 💀
@@alexshawmanhigher
nah bozo is scared to debunk
base goku=high outer😂😂😂😂
ruclips.net/video/gvgcsz1Npi8/видео.htmlsi=qc9FaXSQsYTDEXmA
ruclips.net/video/A67_oRXadnw/видео.htmlsi=572I9wglMLSR7brT
these are just 2 of the vids i have made debunking outer goku and i have more so when your done ducking me
hop in disc discord.gg/bAHxE55mDj
lol
@@Monarch_Scalezyou said living world cap at 4D
Meanwhile Living world is full with infinite hyperspaces and superdimensions
Hyperspace= 6D
wow dude have so much db knowledge
@@SWF568 hmm thats cool , back it up with a source?
@@Monarch_Scalezcan’t because he’s in the middle of coping
Read Outerversal scale ofc ur rimuru stan
Caps at low multi
The afterlife in dbz is held by the universe. It is a place that has no space and time is infinite in size and transcends dimensions. That makes the afterlife hyperversal.
Ssjgod Goku and Beerus fight was stated to threaten the very fabric of existence and destroy all the macrocosm including the afterlife, a hyperversal place. Ssjgod Goku nullified the punch meant to destroy the macrocosm and absorbed the god power he was using to fight beerus into his base form
Goku in base= hyperversal
Goku also moved a place with no time as Zeno destroyed trunks timeline and everything inside it including space and time. Goku later on went to look for Zeno and found him in trunks timeline which had no space and time and base Goku moved in it. He did the same thing in the null realm which was described to be devoid of space and time. That means Goku in base has inaccessible speed.
Goku in base= hyperversal and inaccessible speed
Also, in the battle of gods movie Goku's kanji (the symbol in his back) translated to super dimensional
So Super Dimensional = Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensionality = Beyond The Totality Of Higher Dimensions
Goku and Beerus fight is super dimensional and god Goku is as well and he absorbed the power into his base form so,
Base Goku (ToP) = hyperversal and inaccessible speed and super dimensional.
Also in the granola arc, Goku recognized something faster than instant transmission which teleported you through an infinite place in a finite time being the mortal universe and the afterlife and he recognized something faster than infinite speed in super Saiyan
Finally someone who gets it but I think Goku base is outer since he was about to destroy the afterlife with no space and time
Ok thanks bro
@@mustafabaloch787Lowballed scale
The Mortal realm in dragon ball is stated to have an infinite dimensional hierarchy by Akira toriyama ( the creator of dragon ball). An Infinite dimensional hierarchy is basically something with infinite spatial dimensions or an infinite hierarchy where each layer transcends the previous more than an Infinite amount. Destroying it would be High Hyperversal, but transcending it will be Outerversal.
Super Sayian God Goku and Beerus fight was stated to threaten the very fabric of existence and destroy all the macrocosm including the mortal realm, a High Hyperversal place. Super Saiyan God Goku nullified the punch meant to destroy the macrocosm and absorbed the God power he was using to fight beerus into his base form and is stated to be equal to the power he had as a Super Saiyan God in Base.
Base Goku = High Hyperversal.
Goku also moved a place with no time as Zeno destroyed trunks timeline and everything inside it including space and time. Goku later on went to look for Zeno and found him in trunks timeline which had no space and time and base Goku moved inside that void of nothingness. He did the same thing in hell which was described to have no space or time and he was moving in there in Base. That means Goku in Base has Inaccessible Speed.
Goku in base= High Hyperversal and Inaccessible Speed.
Normal scale
Tha afterlife is stated to transcend the mortal realm which is High Hyperversal. This makes the afterlife outerversal and Goku in super Saiyan god was gonna destroy it so he is Outerversal and absorbed the god power into his base so hes outerversal in base
Base Goku = Outerversal
A character cannot have irrelevant speed unless they are in tier 1-A or above (Outerversal - Boundless). If a character has irrelevant speed, speed is irrelevant no matter who they're facing(as the name implies). They're so fast that they're beyond speed itself. This means if you are Outerversal, you have Irrelevant Speed.
Base Goku= Outerversal and Irrelevant speed
As more proof that Goku is Outerversal, In the Battle of Gods movie Goku's Kanji (The symbol on his back) was chojigen which translateds to Super Dimensional and in the June 2013 V Jump (also canon) is stated to be a Super Dimensional fight so Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus are Super Dimensional.
Super Dimensional scales to Outerversal so hes Outerversal
Base Goku= Outerversal and Irrelevant Speed
You could even scale him to High Outerversal
@ayushbudhathoki9391 cap it is beyond Dimensionality