India blasts highlight growing Jehovah's Witness terror problem
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Blasts at a Jehovah's Witness event in Kerala, India have left three dead and 50 injured, sending shockwaves through the country and further highlighting the growing trend of acts of terror by former members of the group.
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A young couple gassed themselves to death in Johannesburg a couple of months ago. They had left the JWs and were being shunned by their entires families. We knew them and watched the young man grow up in our congregation. The young ladies father committed suicide during the lockdown cos he couldn’t face the fact that his daughter had left. This young lovely couple were only discovered a couple of months later. This is a very dangerous religion but very respected in South Africa. What kind of family does not check up on their family even if they are ‘shunning’ them. I have seen more suicides in my time in the JWs than anywhere else. Thanks goodness we left 7 years ago, all thanks to you Lloyd. Husband and I would still be in if it was not for your work. Thank you Lloyd ❤
Suicide is not a solution either.
The JW religion can cause a lot of mental illness. Not a solution but the desperation that caused them to feel they had no other option. 😢
@Trixie, I was shocked when I read your comment. What a tragedy! Just when you think it can't get any worst. JWs see the shunning as a loving provision from Jehovah. People are dying but they are so blinded by the teachings of the Watchtower that they can't see the great harm done by this practice. I'm so glad I woke up.
I am so sorry that happened! How I wish the Governing Body could be prosecuted for defiling Scripture and making doctrines that have the power to depress people and cause suicides. I pray for Legal Justice. This is indeed, a death cult. Cruel.
Dangerous cult
Yes, terror is never a solution.
My heart goes out to the witnesses affected. The leadership and teachings I will always condemn, but never the individual witnesses.
Absolutely. At the end of the day they are our fellow human beings. I am not even rude to them when they come to my door. I am always pleasant and polite, but make it clear I am not interested. I would certainly never threaten, scare, or hurt them as I have heard some people do.
@lorip4087 Agreed.
I may have something against the Watchtower's teachings, beliefs, and practices, but I have NOTHING against the JW members themselves. They deserve so much better than this. 😔💔
Condemn? You're quite the militant in your usage of such strong coarse language. I disagree with some of the teachings but wouldn't use such words as condemn.
Terrorism isn’t the answer.
Terrorism created by their teachings.
@@jackijax505 you are part of the problem. It’s crazy how people find ways to justify violence.
@@trishayamada807 no justification at all. It’s amazing how people don’t get to the root cause of anything. They only see the surface. Like an iceburg. You only see what’s above ground & not the massive part that’s below.
Stop gaslighting comments.
@@jackijax505what a disgusting comment
@@trishayamada807Violence is never the answer but you should be more understanding.
It hurts my heart to think of what these members must be going through. I may be against the Watchtower's teachings, beliefs, and some of their practices, but I have NOTHING against the members themselves. They deserve much better than this, and they CERTAINLY don't deserve to get hurt like this, physically or mentally.
My condolences go out to those affected, and my condolences go out to those who lost their loved ones to this devastating incident. I wish nothing but the best in their recovery. They did not deserve to suffer like this.
...And you're right. Terrorism is NEVER, EVER the answer, regardless if you like certain religions. All they're actually doing is reinforce their beliefs about former members and those who are critical of the religion. It's heartbreaking. 😢😔💔
It’s not easy being a Jehovah witness believe me a spiritual war we have we can’t see our enemie
What do yuo mean mentally we’re. Not mad at all
I was so shocked by this. Not only do innocent people suffer terribly (what could that little girl have possibly done to deserve this) but it feeds right into the jw persecution complex and strengthens their faith.
The difference is that Jehovahs witnesses would never commit such an act against anyone. That's why it's called religious persecution according to what Jesus said. Religions of the world are involved with political movements, racial movements, and LBGQT+ movements. They promote killing for your country over God's Word. They hate one another to the point of actually killing each other in masse.Such as the wars we see going on in Isreal and Gaza. The war in Ukraine was promoted by the Russian Orthodox Church. Other conflicts around the world are based on hatred based on where you were born. Mass killings in the U.S. Again, it is promoted by a lawless society. Religions are not held accountable for their violence and killing. Yet, Jehovah's Witnesses are held accountable because they disfellowshipped people who do serious scriptural sin and continue to do it. You're not disfellowshipped if you did it once m, twice, or even 3 times. It's your attitude that shows you don't care and are going to keep doing it anyway. That's why the 1st century Christians were not even allowed to say a greeting to such ones. So, under your rules, Jesus and the Apostles were cult leaders for condemning such wrong practices. People wonder why the world is literally collapsing all around them. Why, because the bibke trained conscience doesn't exist in this world. Thus, people have become wicked.
That shows you they are willing Victims. ZERO sympathy for them.
@@markwestland8610 ,
"The difference is that Jehovah's Witnesses would never commit such an act against anyone. That's why it's called religious persecution according to what Jesus said."
So, no Jehovah's Witness could ever engage in such a violent action towards anyone and never has at any time in the denomination's history? And you know this how? And your peer reviewed evidence for this is what, and where can it be found exactly? I think that's potentially dangerous and naïve to suggest that just because JWs condemn the idea of engaging in violent actions towards others, therefore that means any devout JW who actively practices the faith could never do such a thing. You should never suggest that a whole group of people could never engage in brutal behavior like what Dominick Martin did. You don't know every Jehovah's Witness on earth, you don't know what thoughts go through their head and you don't know what they're all capable of doing.
JWs are not exempt from engaging in violent behavior any more than people from any other background are. Yes, Jesus claimed his followers would be persecuted for their beliefs in the Bible, and your point is what? Obviously, some people didn't like Jesus' followers claims, but that didn't mean others had the right mistreat them.
"Religions of the world are involved with political movements, racial movements, and LBGQT+ movements."
Yes, and non-JW religious groups that get involved with political and social movements have a right to have opinions about social and political issues even if you don't agree with them engaging in such issues or even if you disagree with their opinions about said issues. And your point is what? I, personally, can agree with and support the actions of religious groups that help to promote racial equality and the civil rights of the LGBTQ+ community as I largely agree with and support such social issues myself. I'm Black myself, and I'm sympathetic to the plight of the LGBTQIA+ community, and I'd be willing to work with religious people who support creating solutions to issues that are negatively affecting these two communities.
"They promote killing for your country over God's Word."
Many of these non-JW religious groups, the Christian ones anyway, probably don't see any discrepancy between defending one's own country in war and their belief in God and their adherence to the Bible's teachings. They might believe in the just war theory. They might see their religious beliefs as having no connection to the war is being fought. They may not view it as an issue of religious concern at all. They might be able to separate their faith from their reasons for participating in warfare.
What makes the Watchtower Society's interpretation of warfare in the Bible any "more valid" than that of any of the varied interpretations of the world's many non-JW Christian denominations? Many non-JW Christian individuals and denominations likely don't share and probably do not agree with your denomination's interpretation of the Bible and its authors' views on warfare -- and they might even interpret your denomination's views on such issues as being wrong, mistaken, misguided or even heretical.
Also, the Biblical authors seem to have no problem voicing support for the supernatural war of Armageddon, an event where Yahweh and his angelic army destroy all of the people whom God considers to be his enemies. In the Old Testament, there are many stories where the Israelites are encouraged to annihilate entire non-Israelite populations that live in or near Israel in acts of cultural and religious cleansing -- often at the command of God -- and yet, somehow, these ideas are considered as being "completely acceptable" to you and by other people like you.
Please, let's not pretend that the Bible is "a completely antiwar book", or that the Bible is a "completely anti-violence book" here either...because in some cases, it's not.
"They hate one another to the point of actually killing each other en masse. Such as the wars we see going on in Israel and Gaza. The war in Ukraine was promoted by the Russian Orthodox Church. Other conflicts around the world are based on hatred based on where you were born. Mass killings in the U.S. Again, it is promoted by a lawless society. Religions are not held accountable for their violence and killing."
Yes, some people do hate to the point of killing one another, and? Who's to say that a JW could never do the same thing? While religion may be a source of conflict in issues like the Russian-Ukranian war or the Israeli-Palestinian war, it's not the only factor. People also kill each other for reasons that are not religion related, so what's your point? The Russian Orthodox Church, in Russia at least, might support the takeover of the Ukraine, and I would probably disagree with their reasons for doing so.
I don't know of there is any religious motivation behind that support or how prolific such religious based support is, though I would definitely not support their religiously informed opinion -- but nonetheless, the Russian Orthodox Church is still entitled to at least have and to express an opinion about the war between Russia and the Ukraine...even if it's an opinion that you might not agree with, but again, what's your point? I don't know if all world conflicts are a matter of hate. Conflicts are universal. Conflict affects everyone, whether you're directly involved or not. What planet do you live on where conflict is non-existent? Name credible historical sources that point to a time when conflict never existed.
Yes, mass killings by shooting are a problem (in the USA at least), but it's probably not because of "lawlessness", it's probably more due to the lack of proper regulation surrounding gun ownership. I think that secular laws are what should govern and monitor behavior in society, not the Bible, Jehovah's Witness literature nor any other religious writings. Yes, mass killings are a thing, as unfortunate as that is, but can you cite peer reviewed sources that the crimes are directly related to the perpetrators of these crimes not being JWs? Who's to say that a devout JW who is unhinged could never go on a mass murder spree? Who says that could never happen?
Again, can you cite peer reviewed, social, historical and medicinal studies that prove that violence and hate, even if it is engaged in by non-JW religious people, is directly related to most of the world not being Jehovah's Witnesses? While I'd agree that religions should be held accountable for encouraging violence and killing when and if they do so, if it's outside the realm of self-defense anyway (but I wouldn't include religious people fighting in a war in defense of their country if the war isn't related to religious differences). Sometimes religious extremists, they unfortunately get away with unnecessary violence and killing, but that's called life -- and sometimes we don't get justice, like it or not.
"Yet, Jehovah's Witnesses are held accountable because they disfellowshipped people who do serious scriptural sin and continue to do it. You're not disfellowshipped if you did it once, twice, or even 3 times. It's your attitude that shows you don't care and are going to keep doing it anyway."
So, the JWs disfellowship members from their denomination for repeatedly engaging in "serious sins that go against scripture"... yes, and your point is what? It doesn't matter how many times you commit a "sin"; you'll still be disfellowshipped repeatedly. But as long as a person's so-called "sin" isn't actually causing any measurable harm to anyone else, why is it any of your business or concern what they do, and why should the so-called "sinner" care about what the JWs think about their so-called "sin"?
"That's why the 1st century Christians were not even allowed to say a greeting to such ones. So, under your rules, Jesus and the Apostles were cult leaders for condemning such wrong practices. People wonder why the world is literally collapsing all around them. Why, because the Bible-trained conscience doesn't exist in this world. Thus, people have become wicked."
And why should anyone care about what the 1st century Christians thought or did, and what good reasons did they have for not greeting excommunicated persons or people who chose to leave the Christian faith, and what good reason is there for such a practice, if it was engaged in at all, to continue on in the present day? What good reason does anyone have for caring about why Jesus, or the Apostles condemned such practices, and why should anyone care about why Jesus and the Apostles thought such practices to be "wrong"? And Jesus and the Apostles were cult leaders, at least in the sense that they were part of a small apocalyptic sect of Judaism...and people should care about this why exactly?
Why is the world "collapsing" in some ways? We have some very corrupt human beings in the world with some very selfish and unjust motivation...that is true, but then, there are also flawed people doing whatever they can to help improve life on Earth for everyone regardless of their religious or other background, but again, what's your point? Is it because most of humanity doesn't have a "Bible-trained conscience"? Well, Christianity is the world's largest religion, so I don't think that a lack of respect for the Bible has anything to do with it.
Once again, I ask you, can you cite any peer reviewed studies that the world is collapsing because most of humanity aren't Jehovah's Witnesses? As for people "becoming wicked", people have always been wicked, and there have always been wicked people. Also, isn't wickedness really a subjective idea? Can you point to peer reviewed historical studies that show a time when there weren't any wicked people living on planet Earth?
@KittyBooBoo That comment made 0 sense. " Willing victims". Where'd you possibly come up with that? What a foolish, uncompassionate comment. You should be embarrassed to make a statement like that. If you ever are walking down the street and someone mugs you because they don't like the way you walk. I guess you could say you were a " willing victim". That's how ignorant your comment was.
@@markwestland8610 ,
While KittyBooBoo's comment is quite insensitive, I don't think that the Witnesses' unquestioning allegiance to the Governing Body's authority, demands or their theological teachings is a good thing. I'd agree with her on that much.
I think you are brilliant person...Lloyd. You have a compassionate heart and know how to teach people and speak to people on how t approach this dangerous religious cult. Keep up the good work.
💯🥰
Totally agree!!
“Nothing enduring can be built on violence.”
(Ghandi)
Man Lloyd's channel is so professional and well thought out that I look forward to watching it 😂... Hollywood couldn't do it any better!... Oh and shout out to Tiboa if he's gracious 🤷🏿♂️
Thankyou Lloyd
Shocking news from India.
So good to hear from you again Lloyd.
I have been doing a very thorough research on JW since my bro joined them and things are turning out of grip,I hope I will liberate him.I'm in Kenya...this channel has been so good since I discovered it last week.
I fear this will keep happening because this organization hurts so many people.
Who are you hearing this from? Maybe report them as they could be terrorists? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is so sad 😢
My deepest condolences, this breaks my heart, those poor r&f are already being victimized by the cult leaders 😢😢
They are willing Victims. ZERO sympathy for them.
@@Peekaboo-Kitty ,
Even a willing victim is still a victim nonetheless.
What is r&f?
Freedom of choice
@@christinesotelo7655 it means rank and file .
All of us exjws have been to these conventions, and have been in the same place as current jws. What a scary and horrible thought to experience such an attack!
Reasonable parents would forbid their children to go through witnessing tactics at all. Even the Governing Body is screeching “New Light”: time to stop door to door preaching and mows the time for judgement and don’t keep Time anymore. Even they know they’ve gone too far and along with pedophilia protection, they’d better start getting LOTS of New Light and protecting parents’ children since the parents don’t seem to do it. They won’t even call the Police or take legal action, or protect their child from the No Blood Doctrine or believe a child who says they’ve been inappropriately touched or worse.
Exactly.
We were all in that same situation when we didn't know better.
Some of Us also still have family members duped by this Cult.
None of Us would have wanted to suffer for our indoctrination nor would we want our family and friends to die for such frivalous reasons neither.
It is the Narcissistic Cult Leaders and their teachings and manipulations that need prosecuting and exposure, not Killing In The Name Of Religion.
We are All human beings, and we all deserve to be treated humanely and with Accurate Truth And Justice.
Too much Religious Intolerance and Lack Of Empathy and Human Connection lately, is causing the Global Population inexcusable Pain, Suffering and Death.
This Has Got To Stop.
Justice does not come from acting Hurtful or Extreme.
It comes from Compassion, Insight, Sympathy, Tolerance and Common Sense Reasoning.💔
TKS3782
I don't know about this your using bit model on people your using sympothy to have everyone to agree with you
My deepest condolences to the affected community. There's no justification for such an act. And I fear that, given the historic negligence of Watchtower towards their congregations and especially the care of the "young ones", these cases may increase. Watchtower will claim persecution, but will take mo action to address their own issues that could prevent future events.
@Anna, for years, the JWs have been told to expect persecution in the "last days" especially persecution from Government authorities. If some are put in jail or even put to death for their beliefs, it is like having a badge of honor and they wear it proudly. For JWs, it’s ok if you suffer now, because your reward will be to make it to Paradise. In the meantime, how many more people have to die until then?
@@Dina52328 ,
I think I can understand your concerns. The fact Witnesses place more value on their belief in eternal life than enjoying their lives in the here and now on Earth, that is problematic. They don't know for sure that they're going to live forever, that's their belief, not what they "know". The Society does encourage Witnesses to martyr themselves for their faith, and that is a problem too.
Id heard about this tragedy, was waiting for your comments....thank you Lloyd, compassionate and informative as usual. ❤
Thank you, and the best to Deanna and Tibor....and to your little ones also. Events like these makes you hug your loved ones a little closer....all the best to you❤
The organization will use this to teach their people how dangerous apostates are. Unfortunately. Also their persecution complex will grow.
@gramking3222,
Probably so, as sad as it may be. The Society will always find a way to demonize apostates and to instill more unnecessary distrust and fear in their followers of us apostates. We're not all like this Domique Martin creep.
Very sad situations! Hurting people is not the way to handle things... Better off being like Loyd.....Use speech
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Hi! Please email jwwatchorg@gmail.com and someone will hopefully reply!
What a shame 🥺
Oh Lloyd. I miss your frequent, hour-long videos so much. I look for something from you everyday. When you do share, it's only for a few minutes. Looks like your gig is really up. Drats!
Hi Shelly! Thanks for the lovely words. I hope to get back to making the occasional longer videos at some point but I'm enjoying a bit of a hiatus! 🙂
@@LloydEvans ,
I would certainly like to see some long-form videos from you again, Lloyd, so I hope what you say will become an eventual reality. But, until then, you take as long a break as you want and need to.
@@LloydEvans OK, thank you, Lloyd!!
Thank you Lloyd! 🤘
Thank you for this ❤🥰🇨🇦
Thanks so much! This means a lot!
Hi Lloyd Evans, I am from Kerala, India. I have relatives that are Witnesses. This incident took place near my home. Last time I heard about 7 people were killed.
Fight bad ideas, not human beings who hold them.
@xarzu,
Truer words have never been spoken.
Thanks
Sadly, as a society, we don't prioritize mental health needs, and I fear that the Society's practice of shunning can have a negative impact on ex-Witnesses who are already dealing with preexisting mental health problems, so I expect that more disasters like this one will occur. Make no mistake, even disgruntled current Witnesses are capable of committing such horrors, too. I don't know if Domique Martin was mentally ill or not, we would need more information about this case and is life to make any judgment concerning that issue, but I do feel that ex-JWs who are suffering from undiagnosed and untreated mental disorders that have very violent tendencies can pose a potential threat to the JW community, but they can also pose a possible threat to non-JWs and other ex-JWs too...let's not forget that either.
And to be fair, most people with mental disorders are NOT violent people and do not pose a threat towards others. I just want this Dominique (Dominick?) Martin fellow to pay for his crimes, and I hope he never gets out of prison. He should be ready to forfeit his life by spending the rest of his days in prison. His victims don't get to enjoy theirs, so he should never be allowed to enjoy his again. He's such a bastard. What exactly did he think he was going accomplish by doing this? The only thing you did was kill three innocent people, including a child, injured 50 other innocent people and terrorized an entire community. Congratulations, idiot!
And I would add; By choosing to commit this crime, He took away all opportunities for those individuals to wake up from Watchtower Org's Indoctrination and Manipulative Ways and Leave That Cult.
That includes the future actions of that poor innocent and trusting child.
Committing heinous acts of violence is neither gaining justice for past wrongs nor exposing the current state of that Cult.
It was an ineffective and callous means of seeking retribution against Watchtower Org. It neither exposed their wrongs nor gave credence to any sufferings of Ex-JWs.
It only served to play into Watchtower Org's Cult Based Fantasies and Propaganda of a Persecution Complex and the False Narrative of Ex JWs being somehow Deranged, Evil or Criminally Intended.
Most Ex JWs are none of that. In fact, We are Quite Empathic and Caring and Law Abiding.
That's what needs to be displayed.
Not Highlighting the Cruel and Heartless Acts of a Few.
@@sparklecanada0112 ,
I agree. Dominick's actions just play into the JW community's already established fears of apostates, but even more than that he's ruined the lives of countless people through his actions. He even ruined his own life through his actions, but I don't feel too sorry for him about that. The ruination of his own life is no one else's fault but his. This is one reason why peaceful activism from the ex-JW community is so important. We don't need any more unhinged apostates going around committing atrocities like this bombing. We need to let others know that there are ways to navigate the pain that comes from leaving the JW community that do not need to involve a resort to unnecessary and unjustifiable violence.
man I hate JWs but this is so sad. at least the parents will have a good support system I guess :(
Those well fed and well dressed, talking heads that make up the GB will surely send funds and aid to all the victims and the families. Unless, of course, that convention had “a deficit“
Jws practices extreme isolation and shunning between families and friends , this causes extreme reactions that can only be resolved through intervention by professionals, 😢however they wont allow it, unless they deem it necessary, unfortunately its too late by then!
@maryloumata4904,
I feel there's truth to this statement, but the Governing Body doesn't even really prioritize the mental health of their own followers...let alone the mental health of apostates. The stigma attached to seeking professional mental health services by the Watch Tower Society, although seeking out such services is allowed and has at times been encouraged by the Society ( but with a degree of caution), combined with the fact that many don't have access to these services and not making sure that people have access to said quality resources -- it can potentially lead to mentally unwell people acting out in inappropriate ways... it can even lead to such persons engaging in acts of premeditated violence as a response to their trauma, to engage in an aggressive form of vengeance.
I was shunned and I don’t resort to this. Shunning doesn’t lead people to these actions. There are no excuses for violence. We must be the change we wish to see in the world.
4 of my JW friends ended their lives due to SHUNNING,my best friend an Elder & Pioneer who stepped down because of mental exhaustion hanged himself as did the other three JW brothers.. your statement is shallow & naive as many JWs are in a fragile psychological state . Some have fragmented families and have suffered mental & emotional abuse . Some are genetically predisposed to mental illnesses. Some have Bi-Polar
disorder & some have Schizophrenia & many others have clinical depression. This CULT is savaging the emotional bonds of family life & fragile minds are on a knife edge of tipping over into an ABYSS
@@alecfowler157 ,
I think I can understand where you're coming from, but I can understand jdsthird's perspective, too. I don't think that mental health problems and Jehovah's Witness theology are a good mix, but most JWs that deal with mental health issues, whether those issues are influenced by the strict demands of their religious culture or not, probably aren't going to go out and commit a murder spree.
@jdsthird,
I can most certainly agree with your comment.
I have been disfellowshipped for 27 years and NOT ONCE have I blamed individuals for what they teach but what the GB is telling them to go out and teach and NOT ONCE after all I have been through wanted harm on any of them. I think of it by saying “Don’t shoot the messenger”. I hope, but probably won’t happen, they can find a way to lean on each other.
Religious mental health is real.
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This cult buts the danger of his followers into danger over there policy's ex members faceing break Downs takeing the laws into there' own hands peace and love is the answer
India Kerala now totally 8 were died
Peace be upon them all. ✌🏾🙏🏾
Trauma doesn't justify killing innocent people. But I think mental health problem aren't properly taking care of in many countries including mine. This would certainly prevent people for turning into mass killers.
Praise Jehovah Lloyd come back
How are you LE?
I'm good thank you for asking! 🙂
What a compassionate but informative post
Never heard of the Partition 1 million dead at the lowest computation
Dont be blindfolded, know whose evil or not, the victims or the bomber,
Violence is never the solution.
This is truly sad. I feel that the saddest aspect of this situation is that people are so brainwashed into thinking that a sneaky and manipulative method of using perceived kindness to commit cultural genocide against any group who isn't on the Jehovah's witness narrow path to a spuriously alleged state of redemption and self-accredited holy endeavors is doing God's work and not destroying hundreds of thousands of years worth of refining the indigenous population's traditional ways into a perfectly adaptable system that the machinations of man could never match for simplicity and accessibility and grounding a social and ethnic group into a viable people to last in perpetuity and will continue in their evil mission to prove their faith! My soul cries in anguish for the whole world.
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@@jaflenbond7854 ,
"ATHEISM, EVOLUTIONISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM VS. JESUS CHRIST
All Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions NOT only know and are fully aware that they deliberately rejected Jesus Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and without any value at all in their own lives and existence.
BUT also know and are fully aware that they are opposed, against, and will never ever accept that all persons on earth who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are clearly the Followers and believers of Jesus Christ on earth who are worthy and deserving of the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE without sufferings, pains griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, traitors, slanderers, perverts, deceivers, and murderers."
Well, the kingdom of God and the resurrection of the deceased are things I have no reason to believe so they don't have any value to my life or existence. I don't accept that any worshippers of your creator will live on earth forever because I have no reason to believe that concept is true. Again, this evangelistic message of yours is so boring that it would make the baby Jesus cry.
@Judah-vf5et,
That's an interesting thought how the Witnesses' evangelism efforts sort of erodes the culture of native peoples, but that's also a Christian problem and a religious proselytization issue in general.
@@b.w.7588 FREE WILL and FREEDOM of ATHEISTS and FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS
VS.
the FREE WILL and FREEDOM of the CREATOR and JESUS CHRIST
All Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world
are
free to fill the world with their teachings and claims that -
1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence
The CREATOR
is
free to honor and reward all followers of Jesus Christ and believers of his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
with
ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE without sufferings, pains griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, traitors, slanderers, perverts, deceivers, and murderers.
JESUS CHRIST
is
free to RESURRECT back to life all worshippers of the Creator who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, his disciples and followers, and many others so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
@@jaflenbond7854 .
FREE WILL and FREEDOM of ATHEISTS and FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS
VS. the FREE WILL and FREEDOM of the CREATOR and JESUS CHRIST. All Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world are free to fill the world with their teachings and claims that -
1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence."
Yes, people do have the ability to make their own decisions, and yes freedom (within boundaries) is important, and that includes the right to fill the world with whatever teachings and claims they want, but that doesn't mean that all claims and teachings are valid or should be accepted at face value -- including yours. This retelling of your theological claims isn't very interesting. A bad remake of a cruddy original. I call box office failure.
May the victims who lost their lives in this tragedy rest in peace. Hopefully the survivors will be offered counseling services by their communities to help them deal with this disaster. I hope that Dominick Martin spends the rest of his days behind bars and has to undergo extensive mental health treatment as part of his incarceration. I don't know if he was mentally ill or not, but he definitely wasn't in a healthy state of mind when he did what he did. Did you notice the casual way he spoke about what he did? The man must have just been waiting for the opportunity to do something like this for most of his life. Why else would he react so casually about it?
I might disagree with the Watchtower Society's policies, but I would never hurt an individual Witness, not even the ones who are really shitty human beings. Sadly, the Society will exploit this tragedy and use it to further dehumanize us apostates, but that's no surprise. They exploit any tragedy involving the Jehovah's Witness community. They have no sense of shame.
they will be in the new world!
TERRIBLE STORY, But i can understand, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THEM
I often wonder, when I hear about mass shootings or bombings, what has caused this individual to be so disconnected, so isolated from other human beings that to carry out such an angry act is all they have left to be heard ?
Lloyd in a sea of extremists both JW and EX alike is moderate. I don't agree with all he has to say but at least he is palatable not leaving an acrid acrimonious aftertaste like some X-JWs.
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Condemnation is in order here.
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This is as a result of him being shunned. The Borg cuts you off from your family. The Bible did not say for family members to stop communicating with your family if you don’t want to be a witness anymore.
Hello Lloyd 😀 I am glad you are having a vacation ? 😅👍
Rest 👍 one Monty off minimum
Take care a thank you 🙏
I don't know why, but I dont believe him, I think he's a shill... forced to confess at a threat against his family.
Not a excuse, but push pepole to the limit and bad things will happen.
@exploatores,
I think I can understand what you mean. People do have their limits and you can only push someone so far before they break, but still, that doesn't give anyone the right to murder people that they disagree with, even people who have seriously wronged them. Dominick's actions are not in any way justifiable. We may never learn what all the motivating factors were for why Dominick Martin chose to carry out this atrocity. What we need to do is try to ensure that tragedies like this do not continue to happen at a concerning rate and to speak out against the perpetrator when they do. We must demand that such persons be brought to justice for their crimes as well.
Look I might hate the organization and don’t care what they do in the future because that ruined my life but these innocent people in these recent shootings and attacks are really concerning me. I hope the org has a policy in place to mitigate attacks
Violence is horrible and there is never an excuse. The sick JW should have taken responsibility for his mental problems and sought professional help. I believe more formers should sue. In fact, without being disfellowshipped, a standing member can sue and legally be protected from being ousted. Members within should do this just as you can sue a Corporation or an Apt Complex without retaliation or eviction. There is no purpose to not going through the legal system. People get impatient and don’t want to do legal battle. Well, practice patience and fight legally! The Governing Body employs attorneys just for themselves because of the messes they’ve made. Imagine if enough people inside and no longer inside the WT brought litigation against these men. There are low-cost or free legal services for low income people. There is no excuse not to go legal. I don’t know about other Countries. I DO know that it is an honorable way to fight for your Rights and Freedom. And to make your own “New Light”.
It's useless.
Narcissism is the cause. It isn't just religious people who get narcissitic injuries. I am not a JW but keeping this type isn't going to prevent this. 5 mass shootings around our family... one I warned her he woukd and admirably she refused to carry a gun. But she died despite the warning. That was all she could have done besides sell her business. I warned her while her daughter was right there, terrified but I had to tell her. He was such a narcissist he hated races and women and anyone who wasn't him. He had failed to meet his undeserved self esteem and that narcissistic injury has a complex etyology but that is what causes it. The reason people who get kicked out are often perps is that they resist rules and collect grievances. Religious justification isn't the cause but a go to for justifying to themselves why they are the way they are. Nonreligious types often choose a political cause to meet the same function. They need anherp narrative to justify their inflated esteem and dehumanize the "other" which was at once on a pedestal and now is flipped into being something opposite (splitting, they call it). I am not a professional in this but I understood enough to predict a shooing. And the I told my niece to step around the blood for her so when it happened... she did. I know someone who had a student slip in the blood of a shooting I narrowly missed. They are vommon because narcissim is becoming common. Not all narcissists go that way because one expert says about 6% of the population are like this and almost half are men (not a sex-linked trait). Watch for the Karens and put some distance between you and them. That might mean quitting your job to stay safe. Cops couldn't help my cousin until the bullets flew and it was too late. A lady cop stopped him but he is now also lost. Narcissism is deadly. It also causes other social ills... including terrorism, though that has other components as well.
@tuvoca825,
Interesting comment. I can't say one way or the other if narcissism is a factor or not. The idea of someone using religion to justify their narcissistic behavior is interesting, and I suppose some people do that. To turn against a way of life you once thought idea and to them turn against it by replacing it with another ideology, that thought of yours does seem true, but then those people have a need to look for something else, so they're behavior isn't too surprising in that regard. Most narcissists are not violent people, but are they insecure? I would say most likely.
You do realise that saying “that said” negates what you have just said! “The actions against JW’s are deplorable! That said, they need to learn some lessons” 🤷♂️
Edit: “…that said, lessons do need to be learned here”, sounds great now!
I know what I said and it obviously wasn't "they need to learn some lessons". If putting words in other's mouths is your thing, I recommend doing it when you can't be proven wrong by just hitting a play button.
@@LloydEvansYikes Lloyd. I thought it was a lovely and reasonable recommendation with no harm intended. I understand your jitters though. We’re all here because we want to be. No need to bash us.
@@jdsthird It's not "lovely and reasonable" if it distorts what I'm saying on a sensitive nuance-laden issue, and it's not "bashing" to point this out.
@@LloydEvans Point well taken.
Lloyed, this is so terrible. This should be on our news in the U.S.
Lloyd, why did you have to show the face of this terrorist's murderer, completely unnecessary. Could have just heard his audio or blurred his face. These people do this for attention and fame and you gave him that.
@D0J0Master,
I don't think it matters much; any imbecile who foolishly wants to repeat his actions doesn't need to see what Dominick Martin looks like in order to be inspired into wanting to copy his heinous crime.
These former Jehovah's Witnesses either disassociated themselves from the organization or were disfellowshipped for gross sin. They made a conscientious choice to either leave Jehovah's organization or commit gross sin that got them disfellowshipped. That's NOT the fault of the organization or religion. The Bible commands Jehovah's Witnesses to not associate or fellowship with disfellowshipped members and apostates.--1Corinthians 5:11; 2John 10, 11.
So now "gross sin" is questioning the ever changing teachings from the Watchtower.
That's what got my son-in-law disfellowshiped and shunned from his family. How gross! What gross sin he must have done something terrible!! Yeah...he had moments of clarity and asked a few questions and became the devil himself.!
None of the teachings from Watchtower can be found in scripture.
The org is a cult in collapse.
The gross sin here is Watchtower and their false god.
That has nothing to do with any "sin" and yes this is the sad consequences of the Watchtower's actions, to bully, discriminate and damage young children's brains and create damaged adults.
The Watchtower ideology was created by an apostate of the Bible's Students.
Watchtower is quickly becoming known as the worst of the cults with their own brand of home grown terrorism.
@@mattmurdock2868 Your son-in-law must've done something other than simply questioning the Watchtower.
@franswevers5039 I'm NOT a JW, but I share their beliefs and know they have the true faith. It bothers me when people tell lies and half-truths about Jehovah's Witnesses.
Shunning is an act of torture by isolating a person from their loved ones. I wonder if it’s playing a role in this.😢
Thank you Lloyd for addressing this the way you always do. Stating that there is a problem and a pattern, but not condoning the violence because it is never the way or the answer. I'm so sorry to all who had losses and hope for recovery.
Great statement on this Lloyd. This is not the way to address the anger and hurt from this cult.
Poor people. Too much darkness in the world.
They should stop there shunning
JW can't be bereaved. How do you forget that ? They are all going to live forever that's what they keep saying.
Speak the truth. They love drumming the truth to the world ,no one that listens will die. Death means nothing to them.
“Millions now living WILL never die“. Oh, wait correction, new light. “Millions now living MAY never die“. Straight from the leadership.
It sounds like your JW experience has made you forget your humanity. The death of three human beings including a 12 year-old means a great deal.
The Watchtower is like Islam.
@RedDwarff,
While I can understand what you're saying, JWs are NOT exempt from grief when it comes to losing loved ones to death, but yes, the Witnesses' overvaluing of their Paradise Earth doctrine over valuing their time in this life is indeed a problem.
@@b.w.7588 Apparently that’s what the comment is in reference to. Former JW’s know that, from seeing it, or experiencing it firsthand. I remember people literally saying “well, they’re better off dead, because this system is under Satanic rule anyway“. I would be like I don’t know about all that. I prefer to be alive. But that’s just me.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are headed for hell and I don’t even know it
@BradUphill-ls2mw,
How many times have I heard that line? Though I'm no longer a JW, you wouldn't believe how many Christians have told me that I'm going to Hell. You know what I say to them: "If that is true, then I'll see you there, bucko..." To me, JW culture in all its unceasing rigidity can be Hell in itself, and it is one that the Witnesses have sort of helped to create for themselves by themselves, and I suppose I can feel sorry for them, but it's also kind of their own fault too.
Of course, that has nothing to do with Dominic's murderous exploits. I still sympathize with the Witness community over this bombing incident. Even if the Witnesses' shunning policies was an influence upon Domonic Martin, those three innocent people didn't deserve to die. Those 50 survivors who were injured in the bomb blast still didn't deserve to get hurt.
Jesus Christ is the creator of all things in this world and the world we cannot see.
If you do not believe that, Jesus has created every living thing, then you do not believe in Jesus
@@BradUphill-ls2mw,
"Jesus Christ is the creator of all things in this world and the world we cannot see."
I get that you believe that, but what reason does anyone else have for believing in that idea?
"If you do not believe that Jesus has created every living thing, then you do not believe in Jesus".
No, you're right, I don't believe that Jesus created every living thing. No, I don't believe in Christians' theological claims about Jesus as I am an atheist, but I do believe that he was a historical person -- although, I do not believe that the Biblical authors' stories about him are all historically accurate.
I never used to believe either until I broke my back and I had a bunch of time on my hands sitting around because now it was just sitting around for me, so I was interested to find out if Hell was real and after 3 year’s I came to the conclusion it was.
And I didn’t use the Bible to come up with that conclusion.
There are some ancient books apparently used for conjuring demons so I got myself one
Your a good communicator..
I enjoy talking with ya