Dome with slider megareview video
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Topre is 10/10.
Alps: 1:32
Acer: 2:14
NMB: 2:58
Tulip: 4:15
Sejin Electron: 4:49
Matsushita: 5:19
Fujitsu: 5:46
Fujitsu Peerless: 6:14
Key Tronic: 7:04
Mitsumi hybrid: 7:33
BTC: 8:44
Monterey: 9:20
Focus: 9:50
misc rubber domes: 10:10 
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You should open a keyboard museum someday!
Sir, I went to a local Thrift Store here in Kansas City, Missouri,USA and picked up the following Keyboards: IBM Personal AT Keyboard, Fijitsu FKB-4700-101 (2-Keyboards), and a BTC #743013804 60% Keyboard. I'm on the BTC and like it. One of the 4700's needs a "F3" Cap. You have one to spare. The IBM needs a good cleaning, but otherwise appears to be in excellent condition. It is very heavy! Enjoy your video's. Edwin, USN [1961~1993] Retired.
I am rather fond of the neat informative and satisfying style of your videos.
+Mr. Nobody Why, thank you very much :) .
Poor mans Topre!
Love it :D
Leeroy Jenkins I had Packard BTC 5130C and it’s doesn’t sound as impressive as my Sega Netlink Scropius Keyboard but BTC feel more premium than Scropius.
Now I want more vintage keyboard only if goodwill would sell one like that and not modern crap.
@@alpzepta Try to look for a TK Ergo Force. Like Topre but way more tactile
@@redstacks4955 this has to be an early Das Keyboard?
"Clara" is the mountain overlooking the Alps plant (from the west - there are mountains all around!) in Millstreet, Ireland.
Just got the PB 5130 for three bucks at Goodwill, perfect condition, very lightly used, don't even need to take it apart and clean it. I'm really digging it.
I found my first dome with slider board for $1.99 at the thrift store yesterday. It's a "Micron" branded NMB RT101+ board. And when I was doing research online, it said boards with that model number were mechanical with Space Invader switches. But this one has NMB Dome With Slider switches. I really like the feel actually. I feel like after a good cleaning, it'll be a great board.
RT-101+ means it's a 101-key keyboard with a bigass enter, technically it doesn't say anything about the switches. The FCC ID is a much clearer indicator of that. Still, NMB dome with slider is not half bad :) .
So many alps compatible keycaps...
+Sheldetin The stabs on those aren't always compatible with normal Alps-mount boards, though.
i have the alps compatible keycaps of the AppleDesign Keyboard (the manufacturated on czech ones)
do they cost anything at all?
I used to love my old Packard Bell keyboard. Easily the nicest thing about actually owning one of their machines. I used mine from when I was a kid until it eventually gave out on me after 15 years of unkind treatment at my hands.
Monterrey dome with slider is actually really nice for a rubber dome, but mostly because of the alps mount keycaps. The KB-M102 has very nice double shot alps keycaps on Monterrey dome with sliders.
2:49 love to hear the KB-101, even b4 the new intro.
I recently took out of my basement my first keyboard ever that was in storage for more than 20 years, the Packard Bell 5131C. I have several mechanical keyboards now, but this PB keeb is much better than any cheap membrane keyboard you can find now. I'm currently planning on lubing the sliders and making a mod to add a usb c connector so I can detach the cable and plug it in my setup everytime I want.
Ah, nice to see positive words about those old Packard Bell keyboards! I do rather like them.
I lubed the sliders on my BTC, added some foam and steel weights in the case and no joke, it is one of my favorite keyboards now. no more sliding around my desk with rattly keys and it's sooo smooth and snappy.
what do you mean by snappy? is tactility strong or almost linear alike?
I was hoping that you would have done some reviews on the keyboard made by digital equipment corporation for the VAX and Alpha computers. Great job on the ones you reviewed.
I got a Monterey K208 and the keys don't rattle one bit. Maybe the Super Gate keycaps are a bit looser fit. And yeah, I think the Monterey domes with sliders feel quite amazing. I prefer them over my Mitsumis.
I just got an SIIG funtouch with Monterey dome with sliders. Until rewatching this video I didn't recall that they are Alps mount. The funtouch has hiiiidddeeeouuuus keycaps, yellow, red and purple. There could be some frankenboarding in the future.
Wow , you have lots of parts :P
+Andrew Joy I stopped saving many after I had several hundred of them :p . Dome with slider keyboards are very common, and I have no qualms about killing off duplicates in this case :p .
Perfect review!
TVM
+Isaak Buzker Thanks, glad you enjoyed it :) .
So the ALPS board mentioned, I actually managed to grab a copy of it. I have the feeling the mushy/stiff feeling is due to the backplate being bend. On my board some off the keys, especially in the center are very smooth and quite nice, but when you move to either side of the board the keys get stiff and a bit mushy.
I have one of the Amiga ones I think, I can't get the key caps off but I think it's one of those because bottoming out doesn't feel like mush. It's from an Amiga 1500, I have the entire computer actually. Nice keycaps as well, dye sub pbt
The Mitsumi is what I still use. Not a Commodore one, their own KPQ's which are pretty much the same. I'm struggling to find a new/recent keyboard that feels the same, or to find clean enough (french AZERTY) KPQ's out there. Pretty sure there are plenty sold as "old keyboard" which I'll never find, or that there are plenty in a trash bin somewhere... and I can't find any :(
Interestingly, I have 2, which I've kinda mixed as they were getting old & dirty. I've gotten sticky keys, maybe what you refer as spongy (they make kind of a rusty noise), it was two or three keys that didn't feel the same anymore. I really couldn't find out why, but it wasn't related to the rubber springs that's for sure, it was something deep inside that I couldn't fix. I could sometimes get them unsticky by messing with the hole, but they always got back to their weird state.
I know that keyboard was also branded as Unisys, but that I can't find any either. What still active key technology or keyboard would you say feels the closest to a Mitsumi?
That QuietKey is rather loud. I have a Hyundai RT101+ and it's the most silent keyboard I have ever owned. Served me well with wife sleeping less than a meter from my computer for a while...
I found a mitsumi hybrid keyboard for free and it is actually pretty nice as you said. It was extremely dirty but it cleaned up pretty well and I converted the cable from a 5 pin to PS/2 (without any active conversion). I don't actually use it as i find it too big (I use a 60%), but is was a good find none the less.
Sometimes Mitsumi hybrids can feel kinda crappy but when in good condition they're pretty nice, yeah :) . Good luck finding one in 60% format though xD .
Hey! Very late reply but you actually changed the cable without conversion and it still works? I have a 5 pin keyboard from a typewriter and I have no idea how to set it up.
There is just something special hidden in one of these old classic keyboards
I use a Compaq keyboard with the NMB switches everyday. I can only confirm, that they are great, but again, my fave switch is the cherry ML in my g84-4100.
Cherry ml are little fuckers
That Keytronic plug looks awfully like a compact SCSI plug (although apparently with different pins). A SCSI keyboard would be really... interesting.
I have a BTC dome w/slider keyboard and if I'm being honest I have to say that at first I didn't even think it was rubber domes, I thought it was some kind of tactile mechanical switch. Then I took it apart and dome strips fell out everywhere. Oh well :D
the fujitsu peerless ones also get dirty and scratchy with age, and the keys like to stick or get hard to push down. I gave an FKB4700 to a friend that was used by a municipal building in a city not too far away. from what I gather he greased them up and they seem to be holding their own now as a seldom-used AT/XT keyboard.
+Sudos Yeah, from what I heard, on NIB boards the stabilisers aren't even that bad. I tried greasing one of my Peerless boards, but that actually made it worse - probably the wrong lubricant.
wwwhooooo! BTC !
So are you doing a review on the two Mitsumi Hybrid keyboards? I would like to see how you rank the linear ones compared to the ones you have. Same for the tactile ones.
Im confused lol. I just discovered my dads old Mac (Umax) Keyboard from 1994/5 that he bought new back then and barely used it. I took a cap of and surprise its Matsushita (I think) dome with slider and Im actually enjoying the feel of it. Build quality of the keyboard is nice and solid and writing on it feels tight and kinda quality like. What is wrong with me ?
There is a rumoured keyboard that has been very popular amongst StarCraft players in Korea, the Qsenn DT-35. Worth the investigation I'd say!
It’s true. Professional players actually used dt35. It came with Samsung computers.
Do the Monterey Dome with sliders come on any other keyboards than the Moneterey K208. Picked up a board from a recycler that looks like those or at least a clone of them for cheap recently.
My parents chucked a Quietkey years ago, along with an old Intellimouse. Bit unfortunate. They prefer their PC to look modern (black) and I think the old board was a bit too wide for them as well.
it's nuts that this video is five years old now
I'd love to know what your tab at the recyclers looks like XD
I recently found an AST-branded keyboard, model RT101. I got excited when I saw NMB and Hi-Tek on the back, thinking it was space invaders, but it looked instead to be NMB dome with slider. However, the switches feel very nice and it's a keyboard I wouldn't mind using at all. What's interesting is that it has a 5-pin DIN plug and a PC/AT switch on the back. Do you know anything about this keyboard?
Yeah, sounds like a fairly standard NMB board actually. NMR made dome keyboards under the RT101 brand name all the time. They're not bad though, aren't they?
Not at all! Out of the rubber domes I've tried it's certainly one of the best. Thanks for the info.
I've just gotten something pretty similar, a Hyundai RT101+. It's really tough and heavy for a plastic keyboard, switches feel nice, and keyboard has a few nice ideas like a stabilization element under BAE that the wire stabs have contact with (and not with the keycap), and a coil spring under spacebar for additional return force.
Is Packard Bell 5131c the same as 5130? I found a few on ebay but not sure if they are the same. I believe the 5131c has a rubber dome mat, meaning all of the rubber domes are in one big rubber mat as opposed to the 3 by 3 strips like you showed. Thanks in advance for the info.
Just bought from ebay a Tulip ATK 02.01.01. Those had either Grey or Brown SMK switches, but I don't know what mine has. I've read that the brown ones are somehow similar to blue alps. Is that true? What about the grey ones?
Interesting, I also have a Packard Bell keyboard laying around and it was one of the nicest rubber dome keyboards I have used, just popped off some keycaps and they aren't sliders over domes, EXCEPT for the spacebar. Have you ever heard of that? It seemed pretty odd to me. The model no. is SK-2300H
+Smoke Wheat Everyday The Packard Bell I showed in this video is a rebranded BTC keyboard. The SK-2300 was made by Silitek.
nota gonna ruin 420 likes. Here is my informal like, good sir!
Do you know about the Samsung SEM-DT45 rubber dome keyboard. I have two of them ?
Bought a Packard Bell keyboard like new for cheap a while back just so I can replace my cherry keycaps and throw the PB keyboard away, but it was just too good so I just left it as it is. Oh well, the search for another donor board continues.
These keyboards are just surprisingly good. I have had many, and I still like them a lot.
How does that BTC rubber dome stack up to mechanical switches? I have that olivetti keyboard you showed at the end and I like it, but I'm debating whether I should go with that linear modded Dell you made a video about or a BTC for fun. I've tried a handful of mechanical boards (AEK, AEK2, Model M/F, Focus 2001, zenith zkb-2, at101w unmodded) You gave the BTC a 9/10 so I'm sure you like it. I know this is a strange question but I'm just curious to find out what the best rubber domes are offering.
+theryaner I'm typing on hte BTC right now as a matter of fact! It's very nice. See, when someone mentions "tactile" switches, I envision rubber domes more than mechanical switches. Mechanical I tend to envision as linear or clicky. Of course, rubber domes are hard to compare to mechanical switches because they feel so different, much more rounded if that makes sense. I really like the BTC, I genuinely think that as far as rubber dome with membrane keyboards go, this is in a class of its own. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to try both as these BTCs as well as AT101Ws are very common and very cheap - just make sure the BTC is dome with slider, not just rubber dome, and that the AT101W is in at least okay condition (although the linear modded version isn't as prone to dirt interference as the stock switch is). The linear mod on the Bigfoot is reversible btw, so if you don't like it you can just reverse it.
+Chyrosran22 Thanks for the response! I did a little research and I have my eye on a BTC 5140 and a BTC 5100c but I'm not sure if the 5100c has the exact same switch design as the one you're talking about. Do you know anything about the 5100c?
+theryaner I don't know for sure whether the 5100C has dome with slider switches, no.
Cooler master masterset ms121 are a modern type dome with slider. I think you should check it out too
the tactile plunger looks like it came from a BOX switch
@@yanguYT mmmmm could be that CM MS121 using a Cherry MY version of Kailh Box switch 🤔
ATM i have an Olivetti ANK27-102N and a Compaq NMB dome with slider keyboard, i've got both them from school. I've even saw some other boards (Staff K5S (probably vintage SMK linear), NTC/Olidata KB6252 (white Alps clones) that i recovered, and BTC boards (not sure what are they exactly, i hope to get them and see what are they))
I'm hoping you could do a review of these
I got my hands on BTC 5140 (dome with slider over PCB).
Unfortunately, the keyfeel is far away from being perfect. It is slightly mushy and spongy. IDK if it is due to it's age or wear but the result is I'll keep the keyboard as a piece of collection and haven't any plans to use it.
P.S. My Digital RT102 (NBM dome with slider) feels better than BTC, which is... Not the way it should be?
P.P.S. Olivetti can beat both BTC and Digital with no real efforts.
It’s a tear down actually
true, his reviews were quite rushed during the time
sometimes I like cherry rs 6000, some of em feels like a linear somehow :D
What exact model is the nmb quietkey?
Hey tom, have you ever tried a mechanical feel keyboard? they are basically modern domes with sliders.
Don't think so. Sounds a bit crap, though xD . Either it's mechanical, or it's not :p .
i know the name is very misleading and a bit of a scam but they do feel nice to type on and very cheap, I got mine for £19 on amazon.
Im typing on one right now.
I basically got it to keep me waiting the main event which is my topre realforce which arrives in January and when that arrives, i could donate my "mechanical feel" keyboard to you for a review.
Alec Wilson Yeah sure, I'd happily review it :) .
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the Commodore 64's keyboard.
I just got my hands on a stripped-out one that I'll be converting to a USB keyboard just for fun. (Don't worry--I'm not ruining a classic computer here; the machine itself died long ago and had been removed, leaving only the board--which I got for the very friendly price of nothing!) Typing on the thing is honestly quite terrible, but the spherical double shot caps are just irresistible. I'll probably use it for gaming as it has fairly firm linear switches, not to mention that retro look gets all the hipster points.
Wiki photo of the model for the curious / younger folks: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Commodore-64-Computer.png
The C64 uses Mitsumi hydrids afaik, so my thoughts on the Mitsumi board here should be close to what I'd say about it :) .
Chyrosran22 Thanks! They seem pretty similar in terms of that foot (over a PCB in this case), although the one I've got uses coil springs that go around the slider, under the cap. I was surprised by how firm they are.
The sliders / mounts aren't present in this image, but this is what the spring looks like: 2.bp.blogspot.com/-E1r8mON2d-Q/VYaDpS0ZkiI/AAAAAAAAE_I/zdMxjUfqsv0/s1600/Commodore%2B16%2Bkeyboard%2Bassembly.jpg
...and this is what the bottom of that plastic matrix thing looks like with the feet that interact with the PCB: www.bjtechserv.com/Magazine/C64/C64_rubber.jpg
...and here's one last picture that lets you see the slider bits as well as the springs under some keys: i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g330/rjheard/DSCN0406_zps99d6f400.jpg
Linear Mitsumis, I talk about them in the review too :p .
Chyrosran22 Thanks! I must have mentally checked-out at that moment. :)
do you know where i can find this sliders do buy?
how did you get the caps off the Amiga board? I tried and couldnt
Just a wire puller, £1 shipped from China :) .
Chyrosran22
i used one as well but i pulled extremely hard and got nowhere, and I'm pretty much 100% sure it's those switches because what you showed them to be inside seems to be what I can feel.
OK Urk, well if all you want to do is identify them unscrew the case and look at them from the backside xD .
Chyrosran22
good idea, guess I'll do that when I'm home next.
its weird when he doesnt end with a typing test
How would you directly compare the NMB's to the BTC?
+Andrew Dias They're kind of the same feeling, but the BTC is noticeably better.
I still have a focus dome with slider, not a bad board, but reliability isn't great - it has 4 dead keys and the spacebar is all janky.
Hahaha, yeah, unfortunately Focus boards pretty much all suffered from reliability issues xD .
I'm actually thinking if you could use different keycaps on your Monterrey dome with slider switch, including those KB-101 keycaps.
I got a Monterey switch keyboard,defective,never used for the equivalent of U$8,the model sticker got removed,but it was manufactured in Brazil so it won't make a difference,i fixed it,typing on it right now,i can say that the keyfell is not that good,it is a lot scratchy,mushy,not much tactile,i think it depends on the model not the "switch" to determine the quality,the dome inside it is as small as a shitty HP one,the sliders are colored in various shades of pink,at least it came with mildly yellowed doubleshot ALPS keycaps.
i am getting brand new ibm for 250 usd is it a fair price ibmmodel m by lexmark
No, way too expensive.
can you help me in getting one.
Has anyone ever tape modded one of these?
you should do a joke video on 'best rubber dome keyboards and switches" and laugh at how many people take it seriously.
rank some generic dell #1
Wouldn't be a joke really, as he said some rubber dome boards are actually quite decent.
Alps or Cherry
basically alps, cherry is a piece of shit