😂hey guys, I am from Brooklyn, New York City! , And I had 4 older Italian brothers and they had gotten tickets for Kiss playing "Madison square Garden" for the first time and my father said I couldn't go because I was the only girl and the youngest. So no, no, no, all night. Okay! My mom$dad go to sleep and I get ready for the show and we make up my bed like I am sleeping in it and then we head out to Madison Square Garden. We had 3rd row center seats!!! Unbelievable!!!! And I caught the firehouse hat that he drew into the audience!!! Un, un, un, believable;!! It's still hanging up in my parents house in Park Slope Brooklyn, New York City!!!! I wish I would have caught him!!!!!! For real!!!!
Spot on..."Before the $$$". When less was more, when black & silver was, before colorful curtains and super hero cartoons. The band before "the brand". If considering Kisstory in chapters, "Alive" closed the first and most important one that matters.
I appreciate and love the rawness of Hotter Than Hell. There's just something about their first two albums and Alive that are missing from the rest of their work. The only other albums that I still enjoy listening to occasionally are Destroyer (a fan favorite) Music from The Elder (which is loathed by most) and Lick It Up.
This doc's 1st minute conquers the heart of the early die-hard K fan, as it tries to revive the atmosphere that sparked the band. You can almost imagine Stanley driving one of the cabs there... Intelligent start!
No doubt, between '73-76 Kiss were a tribe, all-for-one etc and it showed, in that period they genuinely freaked people out and had street cred. I agree by late '76- '77 once the big money really started rolling in is when things started to change.
Rock And Roll Over came out in late 1976. Things started to change before that. Ace was too busy to be fully involved on Destroyer, early 1976. Peter was complaining and threatening to quit the band while recording Hotter Than Hell, late middle 1974. It's unfortunate because if Ace and Peter had been fully involved just imagine KISS being even better
Speaking of the record quality of Hotter Than Hell, the guitar tone on the intro of LET ME GO ROCK IN ROLL is Awesome! I wish the whole album had that kind of quality.
1:02:03. Billy Gibbons is alive and well last I knew. Dusty Hill died in 2021. His bass tech / band roadie, complete with ZZ beard jumped right in and they’re still touring.
By the time of Dressed to Kill, KISS was getting offers from Atlantic and some others, Big Tree. Apparently, there was a meeting with the band, Bill and Joyce and Kerner and Wise, the producers of the first two albums, discussing these offers. The meeting breaks up and Joyce goes to bed with Neil Bogart and tells him everything. Next day, Wise and Kerner are fired, and Neil produces Dressed to Kill. The KISS ALIVE formula worked for a few other bands that were not really breaking. Frampton and Cheap Trick made live albums that weren't really live, Thank you, Mr. Kramer. Took songs from albums that weren't selling, put out 'live' versions and turned them into superstars. Gene and Paul put out a book called 'Nothing To Lose, The Making of KISS'. It's an in there own words book, answers so many questions, like what I've written above. Answers the question of what happened to the costume Gene wore during the Hotter Than Hell photo shoot. Never saw it again. It's a great book. Gotta read it. Anyway great podcast guys. Sorry for the book I've written here. LOL
KISS' s chemistry changed during the recording of Destroyer. Deception and harder drugs creeped in. Bob Ezrin. I think KISS as a 'band' ended after Alive. You get a chance see or hear any '73, '74, '75 concerts, you can hear and feel their intensity as they played. Wasn't scripted.
Disagree. KISS is still a band today. Yes the brand happened in 1976 pushed by Neil and Bill. Paul and Gene got more involved when Neil screwed them over on merchandise sales. But that didn't happen until 1980. $100M in merch sales and the band got less than $3M of that. Some are mad at Paul and Gene but them having to take over their finances saved the band. Bogart was some piece of work
@@davidlawler8295 David, my introduction to KISS was exactly the same! My mother bought me the 45 of ROCK AND ROLL ALL NIGHT at Kmart. It had the Blue Casablanca label! That I remember. The flip side may have been Cold Gin, I'm not sure, but that is a creepy coincidence. Great video btw👍.
Man, It was so awesome listening to you guys, we're definitely of like minds, I'm 54 and rarely hear anything about Kiss or mid/late 70s era music that I haven't already heard before, but I learned a few things here, and I really appreciate that! Looking forward to your next! Thank You Guys🤘
I like that your Mom bought a KISS single. KISS was my first concert. I only got to go if my Mom went. So my little brother and I got to see KISS with my mother. This was at a huge arena in St. Louis called the Checkerdome. There was pot smoke in the air and hundreds of frisbees lofting around. These guys to my mother's right kept handing her joints (she was petite and pretty and people often thought she was my babysitter ). I told her to tell them that she didn't smoke. Next thing I know she is holding a little red bong they'd passed her. I took the bong and got up and gave it back to them informing them that the lady was my mother. They were mortified and super apologetic. They apologized over and over and were really nice guys, just very rough looking 70s types. It was a great show. Here is the set list: I Stole Your Love King of the Night Time World Ladies Room Firehouse Love Gun Let Me Go, Rock 'n' Roll Makin' Love Christine Sixteen Shock Me Guitar Solo I Want You Calling Dr. Love Shout It Out Loud Bass Solo God of Thunder Drum Solo Rock and Roll All Nite The encore included Detroit Rock City and Black Diamond. This may have been the tour associated with KISS Alive II. They were playing stuff from Love Gun but I don't think it had been released just yet.
My parents were Church going Conservatives of sorts; believed Kings in Satanic Service was the true moniker message, never supporting Rock interest ...until my mom caved, a little
Totally agree with the cooper killer there is 3 reissues Friday records 30$ and mofi 4 55$ and the one you were talking about with the demos 4 70$????? I'm good I got a og wb green label with calender bought it 4 15$ ten years ago can't can't beat it!!!
I was OBSESSED with KISS when I was 4,5 and 6, I was 7 and they had the reunion, but hindsight tells me KISS, Hotter than Hell, and Dressed to Kill are the only songs to listen to
@purplepimple2610 Are you pointing out that this is the first time that you got to hear Paul actually speak instead of just singing? Very cool to think about. I was born in 90. So I've always loved hearing from folks who lived it in real time. Thankyou for sharing.
Just to clarify when you mentioned when Rush recorded a record in a mountain studio, yes they did, they recorded Snakes and Arrows at Allaire Studios in New York's Catskill Mountains.
The more I listen the more I feel like These are the friends I always needed growing up lol.. I had the bohemian upbringing with KISS where they looked so vivacious like the New York Dolls and loud as Mahavishnu Orchestra with a mask of pro wrestling kayfabe. I never could pay much attention to the truth of the numbers. When the truth of personnel on Destroyer, I was never turned back on to KISS…. Going to listen to Wicked Lester now.
KISS leaving Bill Aucoin was the right move, based on his drug use and behavior at the time. Drugs / behavior is what got Peter and Ace out if the band too. If you’re the only sober guys surrounded by druggies it is really difficult to go on.
About tracking down the leather mix of Mötley Crue's Too Fast For Love, I think they released a maxi single with some of the songs. I think I have it with a different mix of Live Wire among my vinyls. I have not played it (or any of my other vinyls) for 30 years though. If anyone is actually interested I could try to find it and see what the record number is.
I bought that destroyer reissue with the original art work, just for collecting purpose, i never even opened it, ive had 2 original vinyl copies and the cassette for over 40 years, besides just listening to it on youtube anytime, lol
@@davidlawler8295 Ace wrote Strange Ways and Getaway but Peter sang them. Peter is my favorite singer in KISS. He got a verse in Kissin Time, Black Diamond, Mainline, Strange Ways, Getaway, Baby Driver, Hooligan....and hmmm, Beth. Did I miss any? Oh yea, the chorus of Nothin To Lose and Hard Luck Woman. I couldn't image what songs like Getaway or Parasite would have sounded like if Ace sang them. LOL
I saw KISS in March of 1975. Life changing. They were white hot and hungry. I saw them again in '77 and the magic was gone, replaced by a gigantic stage show that just swallowed them up.
Doesn't it feel like there was this burst of incredible creativity, and then a slow (like, say 40 years) fizzling out, running on those fumes, and running them into the ground?
Hotter than Hell… such a unique sound. I always saw that album as a live album where they played in the sex dungeon photographed. I assumed Japan wanted KISS and they paid for a trip. My mind went nuts as a 6 year old trying to understand Hotter than Hell. I would NEVER touch Hotter than Hell for remastering beyond the 1997 remasters … Coming Home is SUPPOOSED to sound like shit. I’ll probably be commenting again while listening lol thanks guys this feels cathartic.
Thank you for your response about Neil Bogart when he produced kisses third album. I believe Neil Bogart did a fantastic job working with kiss there third studio album!! I just found out two years ago that my late father met Neil Bogart in my hometown of Santa Cruz back in 1978!!
It actually wasn't. The Hotter Than Hell shoot was in Los Angeles, and Frehley had been in a serious car accident that damaged his face. Some trick photography duplicated the side of his face that wasn't injured as he was told not to put makeup on that side, and as you can see from the informal nature of the picture, the photo was not altered in any way, and it was taken in New York City.
@davidlawler8295 possibly but Paul has his tattoo and he got that June 1 1974. Also, there is a discrepancy with that photo shoot as yes he had half his makeup for some pics, but there are numerous shots from the same shoot (the back of the album craziness) where Ace is in full make up. Perhaps it was a different day
AWESOME review. Sooo much fun. BUT, the roar of the amps coming on line is beyond any band on Earth. THE loudest instrument playing band on Earth. ONLY machine music is louder. Research it. There is a reason today that there is a “safety zone” between the front row and stage. It has nothing to do with pyro or over pressure. It’s the fact that just like in 1975 the amps , PA and every thing else in the audio circuit is plugged directly into whatever service is provided the arena. Sammy Hagar talks about 50,000 watts of power. The stage audio is more than 50,000 watts. You don’t hear that. That’s more than Zep or any band has in total. Forget album sales. Look at total $$$. This is the definition of success. When you attract the Beetles and Pink Floyd producer and then anialate everything in its path. You are the ALPHA. The BEAST. Company iPad here.
Aucoin lost it real bad on Coke ..they had no choice but to ditch Him. Bands make precious little from streaming.Ticket sales,Merch & Meet & Greets are their main income now.
@@davidlawler8295 that's gotta be the most ill informed statement ever.Plenty of Rich kats do drugs.Bill was infamous for His Coke,Lewds & upper & downer appetite & party's..Rich or not chemicals in huge quantities will destroy You.
That doesn't contradict anything I said. Bill Aucoin was fired because KISS was losing money, It had nothing to do with drugs. They had a 50/50 split with him based on the fact that he carried them financially for three years.
@@davidlawler8295 Kiss had several reasons to believe they were low in popularity and losing money because of Bill, so Paul and Gene put his head on the chopping block and didn't renew his contract in 1982. Bill tried building an empire out of a roster of other successful acts but most them failed, and this strained his relationship with Kiss, his big earner who paid the bills funded these other start ups. Management offices on each Coast were closed down, employees were axed, and Bill found himself working from his apartment while Kiss moved on without him by attempting to reinvent itself as a heavy metal band with Creatures Of The Night.
That's the revisionist story. The truth is that Epic considered the record unlistenable, and that the deal was on the proviso that they have first refusal. So, there wasn't a "deal" in place. The band received no advance to my knowledge.
After dressed to kill, the band, had to sign their new ASCAP songwriting contract, and Paul Stanley has been noted as saying he wasn’t sure at the time to sign the contract Stanley Eisen or as Paul Stanley. He signed it as Paul, Stanley, and then drove from NYC to Chattanooga Tennessee to the first show of the new Alive record.
You left out that Bob Ezrin produced Alice Cooper from the beginning! I think “Dressed to Kill” is their best recording sound-wise of an album, and “Rock and Roll Over” is their best overall album musically. I stopped listening to them sometime in the fall of ‘78. That embarrassing Kiss TV movie then the solo albums did it for me. When toddlers and families are showing up to the shows, it was hard to justify them in the world of hard rock. By ‘79 Kiss had some serious competition and they blew it with those horrible ‘Dynasty’ era costumes and being in high school listening to Kiss during that era was embarrassing…
MOST people cannot begin to settle that KISS ripped the --- out of the music industry. NO BAND that I know of has played in front of more people. If there is, let us know who it was. ALL shows today that involve special effect come from KISS. It simply did not exist before. Comparing any band to kiss is like comparing the Saturn V rocket to some other vehicle. It’s from another time. There is no other band with the amps that power on with enough energy that people’s hair literally stands on end in the first 10 rows. There is a safety zone at a KISS concert. No other band in the World REQUIRES one. A C note out of those weapons is loud and strong enough that steel girders flex. City engineers still have to inspect these areas before to make sure it’s safe. Polished ? No. Beyond realty? Ears ringing 2 days later? Loud enough to drown out OZZY and AC/DC at the same time? Yes all day long.
@@waltchase3297 My first Kiss album was HTH. My first show was after Alive during the early part of the Destroyer tour. There are plenty of bands who have played to more people than Kiss -- if you consider total performances, attendance, total crowd count. The Who, The Stones, Fleetwood Mac, Oasis -- heck Oasis played to one of the largest ever crowds in music history, a whopping 500K+ music fans at Knebworth! Don't get me wrong -- I love Kiss more than any other rock band period and have seen them on every tour since Destroyer - including the "convention tour" right before the reunion. Just met them for the 40th time in Nashville Oct 2023 - it was my wife's first (and last) Kiss show lol. There were plenty of other bands who directly influenced their look -- Alice Cooper had a theatrical stage show long before Kiss had their show. Even Jimi Hendrix set his guitar on fire! Maybe not the crazy stage show Kiss built but it took a few years - their biggest "early stage set" was Destroyer. Then Love Gun. Then Dynasty and so on. Also, Neil Bogart signed George Clinton to Casablanca in 1970 but didn't release P-Funk's first album until 1974 (Clinton goes all the way back to a doo-wop band The Parliaments in the 50's). Bogart gave them $275K in 1970s money (a fortune then) to build their P-Funk Earth Tour mothership stage set for the 1976 tour. Paul Stanley said what P-Funk did during the Bicentennial year helped them plot out their next stage set -- which ultimately became the Love Gun / Alive II look.
You missed a very big band that essentially stuck together and generally never pissed off their core fans: AC/DC..... Ezrin started the demise of Kiss and finished it off with the Elder.
That's an opinion. He saved them with "Destroyer", but yes "The Elder", though many of us love the album now, was a low-point for Kiss and Ezrin, considering the states Bob and Ace were in, new drummer Eric still overwhelmed, Bill Aucoin hitting a low,etc....
It is an opinion, but it was the beginning trend of Gene and Paul getting the green light from a producer to replace members instead of fixing directions other members had issues with. Eddie Kramer didn't seem to have a problem getting the goods from Ace without blowing a whistle in his face and singling him out. Destroyer elevated success, but started the demise. @@joeanthony7759
@@Ewok009 No they didn't, if they did they weren't common and didn't become part of mainstream media until the early eighties. I know I was there and listened to a lot of music. On the radio, or records, eight track, and cassettes. Rarely on tv unless it was hee haw or solid gold I think it was called
Full of misinformation. Billy gibbons didn't die and Peter criss sang on recorded songs earlier than Love Gun. A lot if misinformation makes me stop listening
😂hey guys, I am from Brooklyn, New York City! , And I had 4 older Italian brothers and they had gotten tickets for Kiss playing "Madison square Garden" for the first time and my father said I couldn't go because I was the only girl and the youngest. So no, no, no, all night. Okay! My mom$dad go to sleep and I get ready for the show and we make up my bed like I am sleeping in it and then we head out to Madison Square Garden. We had 3rd row center seats!!! Unbelievable!!!! And I caught the firehouse hat that he drew into the audience!!! Un, un, un, believable;!! It's still hanging up in my parents house in Park Slope Brooklyn, New York City!!!! I wish I would have caught him!!!!!! For real!!!!
The hat would probably sell for quite a bit now.
Spot on..."Before the $$$". When less was more, when black & silver was, before colorful curtains and super hero cartoons. The band before "the brand". If considering Kisstory in chapters, "Alive" closed the first and most important one that matters.
I appreciate and love the rawness of Hotter Than Hell. There's just something about their first two albums and Alive that are missing from the rest of their work. The only other albums that I still enjoy listening to occasionally are Destroyer (a fan favorite) Music from The Elder (which is loathed by most) and Lick It Up.
This doc's 1st minute conquers the heart of the early die-hard K fan, as it tries to revive the atmosphere that sparked the band. You can almost imagine Stanley driving one of the cabs there... Intelligent start!
No doubt, between '73-76 Kiss were a tribe, all-for-one etc and it showed, in that period they genuinely freaked people out and had street cred. I agree by late '76- '77 once the big money really started rolling in is when things started to change.
Rock And Roll Over came out in late 1976. Things started to change before that. Ace was too busy to be fully involved on Destroyer, early 1976. Peter was complaining and threatening to quit the band while recording Hotter Than Hell, late middle 1974. It's unfortunate because if Ace and Peter had been fully involved just imagine KISS being even better
And things changed FAST 🎉
Wow..incredible& smart,...sooooo ciil, great pix
Speaking of the record quality of Hotter Than Hell, the guitar tone on the intro of LET ME GO ROCK IN ROLL is Awesome! I wish the whole album had that kind of quality.
1:02:03. Billy Gibbons is alive and well last I knew. Dusty Hill died in 2021. His bass tech / band roadie, complete with ZZ beard jumped right in and they’re still touring.
By the time of Dressed to Kill, KISS was getting offers from Atlantic and some others, Big Tree. Apparently, there was a meeting with the band, Bill and Joyce and Kerner and Wise, the producers of the first two albums, discussing these offers. The meeting breaks up and Joyce goes to bed with Neil Bogart and tells him everything. Next day, Wise and Kerner are fired, and Neil produces Dressed to Kill.
The KISS ALIVE formula worked for a few other bands that were not really breaking. Frampton and Cheap Trick made live albums that weren't really live, Thank you, Mr. Kramer. Took songs from albums that weren't selling, put out 'live' versions and turned them into superstars.
Gene and Paul put out a book called 'Nothing To Lose, The Making of KISS'. It's an in there own words book, answers so many questions, like what I've written above. Answers the question of what happened to the costume Gene wore during the Hotter Than Hell photo shoot. Never saw it again. It's a great book. Gotta read it. Anyway great podcast guys. Sorry for the book I've written here. LOL
Im reading Nothing to Lose right now. Great read so far
Great additional information. Thank you!
@@slimeperviewIt really is a 'Must Have".
Don't be sorry. Always up for more info on early, early KISS
Hotter than Hell costumes were the best.👍🔥🎸
I go between these costumes because of their DIY-look, and the next set, the ALIVE!/Destroyer costumes.
The Hotter Than Hell.look was the heaviest...and the best
The scariest and skinniest Gene! Even scarier than Creatures.
Love gun
Great fun, to listen to you guys! Thx for sharing! 🙏 (Don, 57, Berlin, FRG 🤟)
KISS' s chemistry changed during the recording of Destroyer. Deception and harder drugs creeped in. Bob Ezrin. I think KISS as a 'band' ended after Alive. You get a chance see or hear any '73, '74, '75 concerts, you can hear and feel their intensity as they played. Wasn't scripted.
You might be right, considering this is what we enjoyed the most.
Disagree. KISS is still a band today. Yes the brand happened in 1976 pushed by Neil and Bill. Paul and Gene got more involved when Neil screwed them over on merchandise sales. But that didn't happen until 1980. $100M in merch sales and the band got less than $3M of that. Some are mad at Paul and Gene but them having to take over their finances saved the band. Bogart was some piece of work
@@brianstrutter1501Kiss wasn’t much of a “band” after 76 or so.
Good video thanks from a long time KISS fan.
Love it that first pic is magic!
2 thumbs up. Way up. Great discussion. Hopefully we can look forward to more future 70's era KISS content!!
Thank you. That's nice to hear!
@@davidlawler8295
David, my introduction to KISS was exactly the same! My mother bought me the 45 of ROCK AND ROLL ALL NIGHT at Kmart. It had the Blue Casablanca label! That I remember. The flip side may have been Cold Gin, I'm not sure, but that is a creepy coincidence. Great video btw👍.
Man, It was so awesome listening to you guys, we're definitely of like minds, I'm 54 and rarely hear anything about Kiss or mid/late 70s era music that I haven't already heard before, but I learned a few things here, and I really appreciate that! Looking forward to your next! Thank You Guys🤘
I like that your Mom bought a KISS single. KISS was my first concert. I only got to go if my Mom went. So my little brother and I got to see KISS with my mother. This was at a huge arena in St. Louis called the Checkerdome. There was pot smoke in the air and hundreds of frisbees lofting around. These guys to my mother's right kept handing her joints (she was petite and pretty and people often thought she was my babysitter ). I told her to tell them that she didn't smoke. Next thing I know she is holding a little red bong they'd passed her. I took the bong and got up and gave it back to them informing them that the lady was my mother. They were mortified and super apologetic. They apologized over and over and were really nice guys, just very rough looking 70s types. It was a great show. Here is the set list:
I Stole Your Love
King of the Night Time World
Ladies Room
Firehouse
Love Gun
Let Me Go, Rock 'n' Roll
Makin' Love
Christine Sixteen
Shock Me
Guitar Solo
I Want You
Calling Dr. Love
Shout It Out Loud
Bass Solo
God of Thunder
Drum Solo
Rock and Roll All Nite
The encore included Detroit Rock City and Black Diamond. This may have been the tour associated with KISS Alive II. They were playing stuff from Love Gun but I don't think it had been released just yet.
That's a great story. Nice remembrance.
My parents were Church going Conservatives of sorts; believed Kings in Satanic Service was the true moniker message, never supporting Rock interest ...until my mom caved, a little
Like minded folk. I just found you guys and love this episode. I agree with mostly everything you say. Keep it up
49:30 actually if you read Geddy’s new book he talks about doing coke during Neil’s solos.
Dressed To Kill also has “She” and “Rock Bottom” on it. Those 2 songs alone make it a great album. Throw in RnRAN and it’s a no brainer.
That's why it's in my top five.
@@davidlawler8295Right on.
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THE most honest music podcast PERIOD! Keep the faith and keep fighting the good fight my friend!
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Dressed to kill was my favorite album cover. So simple but cool as shit. i want a throw blanket with that album cover on it.
Totally agree with the cooper killer there is 3 reissues Friday records 30$ and mofi 4 55$ and the one you were talking about with the demos 4 70$????? I'm good I got a og wb green label with calender bought it 4 15$ ten years ago can't can't beat it!!!
Reissues are, most of the time, a scam to get your money.
I was OBSESSED with KISS when I was 4,5 and 6, I was 7 and they had the reunion, but hindsight tells me KISS, Hotter than Hell, and Dressed to Kill are the only songs to listen to
I got ALIVE 1 on 8 track for Easter one year. It was incredible. Heard Paul speaking!
Oh man, I never had KISS records on 8-track. My mother had one of those stereos that was a combination turntable, cassette, and 8-track!
@purplepimple2610 Are you pointing out that this is the first time that you got to hear Paul actually speak instead of just singing? Very cool to think about. I was born in 90. So I've always loved hearing from folks who lived it in real time. Thankyou for sharing.
@@shadcovert1160 yes. I didn't know if it was Paul or Gene. The New York accent was weird too.
Cool Chat. Agree with alot of things and found out some new stuff. cheers
Thank you so much!
Just to clarify when you mentioned when Rush recorded a record in a mountain studio, yes they did, they recorded Snakes and Arrows at Allaire Studios in New York's Catskill Mountains.
The more I listen the more I feel like These are the friends I always needed growing up lol.. I had the bohemian upbringing with KISS where they looked so vivacious like the New York Dolls and loud as Mahavishnu Orchestra with a mask of pro wrestling kayfabe. I never could pay much attention to the truth of the numbers. When the truth of personnel on Destroyer, I was never turned back on to KISS….
Going to listen to Wicked Lester now.
I just wanted to say I really enjoyed this Podcast on my ride home to New Jersey from Cape Cod last weekend.
Thank you!
You're very welcome.
KISS leaving Bill Aucoin was the right move, based on his drug use and behavior at the time. Drugs / behavior is what got Peter and Ace out if the band too. If you’re the only sober guys surrounded by druggies it is really difficult to go on.
The beginnings of Shock Rock . Like you mentioned Alice Cooper and future Marilyn Manson.
Say what you will about HTH, album I liked it's raw sound and 2nd only to DTK.
About tracking down the leather mix of Mötley Crue's Too Fast For Love, I think they released a maxi single with some of the songs. I think I have it with a different mix of Live Wire among my vinyls. I have not played it (or any of my other vinyls) for 30 years though. If anyone is actually interested I could try to find it and see what the record number is.
I bought that destroyer reissue with the original art work, just for collecting purpose, i never even opened it, ive had 2 original vinyl copies and the cassette for over 40 years, besides just listening to it on youtube anytime, lol
Love the interview.
Please note: Peter Criss didn't start singing on Love Gun. He sings Black Diamond.
...and Mainline, Stange Ways and Getaway. And one of my favorite KISS songs Baby Driver.
Slip of the tongue. I probably meant Ace Frehley.
Ha Ha It's all good :) @@davidlawler8295
@@davidlawler8295 Ace wrote Strange Ways and Getaway but Peter sang them. Peter is my favorite singer in KISS. He got a verse in Kissin Time, Black Diamond, Mainline, Strange Ways, Getaway, Baby Driver, Hooligan....and hmmm, Beth. Did I miss any? Oh yea, the chorus of Nothin To Lose and Hard Luck Woman. I couldn't image what songs like Getaway or Parasite would have sounded like if Ace sang them. LOL
I saw KISS in March of 1975. Life changing. They were white hot and hungry. I saw them again in '77 and the magic was gone, replaced by a gigantic stage show that just swallowed them up.
Doesn't it feel like there was this burst of incredible creativity, and then a slow (like, say 40 years) fizzling out, running on those fumes, and running them into the ground?
Hotter than Hell… such a unique sound. I always saw that album as a live album where they played in the sex dungeon photographed. I assumed Japan wanted KISS and they paid for a trip. My mind went nuts as a 6 year old trying to understand Hotter than Hell. I would NEVER touch Hotter than Hell for remastering beyond the 1997 remasters … Coming Home is SUPPOOSED to sound like shit. I’ll probably be commenting again while listening lol thanks guys this feels cathartic.
All bands are cooler before the $$ because its about the music then
Neil Diamond's Hot August Night was THE live album that doesn't get credit for being the FIRST HUGE live LP. It was in every house you walked in.
Good catch!
Did Neil Bogart produced kisses, third album dressed to kill?
Yes, he did.
Thank you for your response about Neil Bogart when he produced kisses third album. I believe Neil Bogart did a fantastic job working with kiss there third studio album!! I just found out two years ago that my late father met Neil Bogart in my hometown of Santa Cruz back in 1978!!
P.S. Santa Cruz is located on the central coast of California.
That opening pic was taken from the hotter that he'll photo shoto August 18, 1974
It actually wasn't. The Hotter Than Hell shoot was in Los Angeles, and Frehley had been in a serious car accident that damaged his face. Some trick photography duplicated the side of his face that wasn't injured as he was told not to put makeup on that side, and as you can see from the informal nature of the picture, the photo was not altered in any way, and it was taken in New York City.
@davidlawler8295 possibly but Paul has his tattoo and he got that June 1 1974. Also, there is a discrepancy with that photo shoot as yes he had half his makeup for some pics, but there are numerous shots from the same shoot (the back of the album craziness) where Ace is in full make up. Perhaps it was a different day
AWESOME review. Sooo much fun. BUT, the roar of the amps coming on line is beyond any band on Earth. THE loudest instrument playing band on Earth. ONLY machine music is louder. Research it. There is a reason today that there is a “safety zone” between the front row and stage. It has nothing to do with pyro or over pressure. It’s the fact that just like in 1975 the amps , PA and every thing else in the audio circuit is plugged directly into whatever service is provided the arena. Sammy Hagar talks about 50,000 watts of power. The stage audio is more than 50,000 watts. You don’t hear that. That’s more than Zep or any band has in total. Forget album sales. Look at total $$$. This is the definition of success. When you attract the Beetles and Pink Floyd producer and then anialate everything in its path. You are the ALPHA. The BEAST. Company iPad here.
Sound is measured in decibels, not watts
Aucoin lost it real bad on Coke ..they had no choice but to ditch Him.
Bands make precious little from streaming.Ticket sales,Merch & Meet & Greets are their main income now.
I don't think it was the coke. When you're flush with money, you don't care about coke.
@@davidlawler8295 that's gotta be the most ill informed statement ever.Plenty of Rich kats do drugs.Bill was infamous for His Coke,Lewds & upper & downer appetite & party's..Rich or not chemicals in huge quantities will destroy You.
That doesn't contradict anything I said. Bill Aucoin was fired because KISS was losing money, It had nothing to do with drugs. They had a 50/50 split with him based on the fact that he carried them financially for three years.
@@davidlawler8295 Kiss had several reasons to believe they were low in popularity and losing money because of Bill, so Paul and Gene put his head on the chopping block and didn't renew his contract in 1982.
Bill tried building an empire out of a roster of other successful acts but most them failed, and this strained his relationship with Kiss, his big earner who paid the bills funded these other start ups. Management offices on each Coast were closed down, employees were axed, and Bill found himself working from his apartment while Kiss moved on without him by attempting to reinvent itself as a heavy metal band with Creatures Of The Night.
We got rich and famous and no longer were all for one and one for all- peter Criss
KISS’ story is that Paul & Gene walked away from Wicked Lester and their deal deliberately
That's the revisionist story. The truth is that Epic considered the record unlistenable, and that the deal was on the proviso that they have first refusal. So, there wasn't a "deal" in place. The band received no advance to my knowledge.
RUSH being from Canada had grants from the government. Being a Canadian artist carries benefits that are non existent in the US.
Their first manager had a huge coke problem at the end too
Sonic boom.& monster were Aweful and KISS was done.
Done after Peter n Ace left both times
I remember. 🎉
After dressed to kill, the band, had to sign their new ASCAP songwriting contract, and Paul Stanley has been noted as saying he wasn’t sure at the time to sign the contract Stanley Eisen or as Paul Stanley. He signed it as Paul, Stanley, and then drove from NYC to Chattanooga Tennessee to the first show of the new Alive record.
Correct me if Im wrong but didn't Neil Bogart control their publishing (via Cafe Americana) for the first three records?
You left out that Bob Ezrin produced Alice Cooper from the beginning! I think “Dressed to Kill” is their best recording sound-wise of an album, and “Rock and Roll Over” is their best overall album musically. I stopped listening to them sometime in the fall of ‘78. That embarrassing Kiss TV movie then the solo albums did it for me. When toddlers and families are showing up to the shows, it was hard to justify them in the world of hard rock. By ‘79 Kiss had some serious competition and they blew it with those horrible ‘Dynasty’ era costumes and being in high school listening to Kiss during that era was embarrassing…
Enjoying yall but wish yall stick with the topic
Thanks. We do tend to go off on tangents...
The real Kiss
09:35 - Why is he holding his guitar backward?
Most likely he was swinging it back and forth as he was playing, or it was a pose for a photograph.
@@davidlawler8295 My guess was for product placement.
Not true Rush all did coke!!!! Up until the mid-80s so you're mistaken. Ready Geddy Lees book, please!!!!
Rush recorded AFTK in Wales not England.
Take that up with Froelich. He's the Rush guy. I'm the KISS guy.
Billie gibbons didnt die Dusty did. And kisses best charting record was Beth
These clowns are obviously not KISS fans ! 🔥🔥🔥🔥Delete
MOST people cannot begin to settle that KISS ripped the --- out of the music industry. NO BAND that I know of has played in front of more people. If there is, let us know who it was. ALL shows today that involve special effect come from KISS. It simply did not exist before. Comparing any band to kiss is like comparing the Saturn V rocket to some other vehicle. It’s from another time. There is no other band with the amps that power on with enough energy that people’s hair literally stands on end in the first 10 rows. There is a safety zone at a KISS concert. No other band in the World REQUIRES one. A C note out of those weapons is loud and strong enough that steel girders flex. City engineers still have to inspect these areas before to make sure it’s safe. Polished ? No. Beyond realty? Ears ringing 2 days later? Loud enough to drown out OZZY and AC/DC at the same time? Yes all day long.
@@waltchase3297 My first Kiss album was HTH. My first show was after Alive during the early part of the Destroyer tour. There are plenty of bands who have played to more people than Kiss -- if you consider total performances, attendance, total crowd count. The Who, The Stones, Fleetwood Mac, Oasis -- heck Oasis played to one of the largest ever crowds in music history, a whopping 500K+ music fans at Knebworth! Don't get me wrong -- I love Kiss more than any other rock band period and have seen them on every tour since Destroyer - including the "convention tour" right before the reunion. Just met them for the 40th time in Nashville Oct 2023 - it was my wife's first (and last) Kiss show lol. There were plenty of other bands who directly influenced their look -- Alice Cooper had a theatrical stage show long before Kiss had their show. Even Jimi Hendrix set his guitar on fire! Maybe not the crazy stage show Kiss built but it took a few years - their biggest "early stage set" was Destroyer. Then Love Gun. Then Dynasty and so on. Also, Neil Bogart signed George Clinton to Casablanca in 1970 but didn't release P-Funk's first album until 1974 (Clinton goes all the way back to a doo-wop band The Parliaments in the 50's). Bogart gave them $275K in 1970s money (a fortune then) to build their P-Funk Earth Tour mothership stage set for the 1976 tour. Paul Stanley said what P-Funk did during the Bicentennial year helped them plot out their next stage set -- which ultimately became the Love Gun / Alive II look.
Omg. Lol
Billy Gibbons is not dead ! Ffs
Yeah, one of them is. Dusty, I think. This is an off-the-cuff conversation. The point is they're not playing anymore. People like to argue, I guess.
@@davidlawler8295 Wrong again..they have a new Bass player & are still out there playing & touring & sounding great.
Not actually the point. We were discussing bands that did not alienate their fans.@@andrewbroughton65
You missed a very big band that essentially stuck together and generally never pissed off their core fans: AC/DC.....
Ezrin started the demise of Kiss and finished it off with the Elder.
I remember AC/DC in the next episode. Don't worry.
That's an opinion. He saved them with "Destroyer", but yes "The Elder", though many of us love the album now, was a low-point for Kiss and Ezrin, considering the states Bob and Ace were in, new drummer Eric still overwhelmed, Bill Aucoin hitting a low,etc....
It is an opinion, but it was the beginning trend of Gene and Paul getting the green light from a producer to replace members instead of fixing directions other members had issues with. Eddie Kramer didn't seem to have a problem getting the goods from Ace without blowing a whistle in his face and singling him out. Destroyer elevated success, but started the demise. @@joeanthony7759
LoL, videos didn't even exist until the early eighties
Promotional music pieces did exist. As early as the Beatles' "Strawberry Fields Forever," Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody," etc.
Lol, videos "existed" all throughout the 70's
@@Ewok009 No they didn't, if they did they weren't common and didn't become part of mainstream media until the early eighties. I know I was there and listened to a lot of music. On the radio, or records, eight track, and cassettes. Rarely on tv unless it was hee haw or solid gold I think it was called
Full of misinformation. Billy gibbons didn't die and Peter criss sang on recorded songs earlier than Love Gun. A lot if misinformation makes me stop listening
Doesn't change the thesis. It's pointless to continue to point out some inconsistencies unless it is to discredit the whole show.
Self titled/1st album is my favorite.
le studio,was in st-sauveur.in laurentiens region qc,rush book that place almost for every 80's albums