This hole case is cooked,you cannot have a person murdered in a house with 6 ppl and you dont bring all on stand? 😢That should ring alarms to all normal ppl..the investigation and trial can never exclude all those that were in the house as withnesses or accused.
u a 💯 what is happening now, they want to proof that all five accused ppl are knowing each other. Meanwhile they feed those who were in the house, with what to say in court, to implicate the accused. U will remember that, this court "judge" is not interested in what was said in the previous court "judge Maumela" proceedings. That's gives the witness an upper hand to totally give a new evidence; without being referred to the previous evidence.
Mnisi raises an issue judge explains what the witness did while the judge was not there, how. does the judge know what filters Steinn used that ended up not giving him chronological order ... can the witnesses answer for themselves please.
Cut & Paste evidence, Gouse is lying… this thing has been cooked. A spreadsheet cannot cause such a discrepancy that Mnisi identified, especially if you use filters/sort order.
it's because they had a meeting, before each court sessions ÷ 1. Judge Mokgoatheng, 2. Prosecutor Baloyi, 3. Brigadier Gininda, 4. Chicco Twala, 5. Itjitji Khumalo & sister, and 6. Both Chicco & Itjitji Lawyers. To ensure that the case goes their way. That's why Judge is always saying "in case this case goes somewhere e.g SCA "Supreme Court of Appeal " or CC "Constitutional Court" how can he make such remarks during the trial.
The so called judge grandfather Ratha just insulted Adv Mnisi in public by sharing a joke to Gouws by saying it is hard to fly a spacecraft to mars . Just google the sentence you'll see what he meant 😭😭😭 I am puzzled it is in great shame to watch such 😢
It means. Present day rockets are barely adequate to achieve the task . Despite their enormous complexity and expense.Only about 5% of the weight of a rocket on the launch pad reaches Earth orbit) So in my opinion that was an insult
Makawusu cant present towers evidence never😂😂😂😂 he is not from vodacom or mtn or cell c never .The accused will walk out of the constitutional court with millions 🤞🤞🤞
It’s very troubling because they were not there when he did the analysis but they seem to know more than him on what he allegedly did. Do they think we can’t see what they are doing
Ave nine problem no Judge Ratha xa umjongile impawu zakhe ubona inxila or awazi ukuba iinkabi zakho ungazi protecta njani, becouse xa esithi tarven ube khalima u Mshololo i behavior yakhe e court, jkwezinye izinto nibokhe nisebenzise i common sense guy's, nibadadala or nani yanibhuda ingqeqesho?
Don't stress I have realized that people can just judge you not knowing the reason of judging you.Just like hating what the judge has said without knowing why he said what he said.
He doesn't have respect for the defence..I remember when Mshololo last year was disrespected by the witness and the judge did nothing to show he's in charge
Anyone who protects this judge is mad...we are not protecting these criminals but if they get convicted on the wrong case then the real killers of Senzo walks away. The real killers attended the class that states how to get away with murder. A judge enters in the game to get clarity not to wrongly convict people. Protect Ratha on your own peril
The thing the public wants justice fo thee accused! They favoring the defense! Of which of we only want justice fo the Meyiwa family! Not inkabi that confessed! All the accused were part of the hit of Senzo Nzori Robert Meyiwa
The phones call record is now a waist of time. Gininda is already proved that the accused were lying when they said they don't know each other. He Also proved that some accused were lying about their whereabouts in 2014.
He cant fix nothing baloyi is ay thee end of his road. There is no bridge to x now. He hope for a river to swim tru.aai aai baloyi why u get yourself at this mess at the hight of your career. Now its down the heel 😢
Hope after this case you learnt your lesson. Dont intertain lies. I pray you bounce back dont stay down. Chicco is a crook he must pay for his deeds and also return from sin
Same here why is even wasting our tax money he’s already find the guilty before proven innocent that how he is handling this trial “guilty until proven innocent’ intentionally frustrate the defence by interfering and disturb their line of questioning sies uyanyanyisa
When the judge said, 'it's hard to fly a spaceship to Mars,' he was implying that the current task was very easy and that Mnisi was making a fuss over nothing. I agree with the judge totally
@@voiceofjustice-pm Why are you commenting on a thread of a dull person? Secondly, you lack substance, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Pull yourself towards yourself. Finally, your comment says more about you than it does about anyone else.
@Voice... Why are you commenting on a thread of a dull person? Secondly, you clearly lack substance, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Get a life. Finally, your comment reflects more about you than it does about anyone else.
@voice... Why are you commenting on a thread of a dull person? Secondly, you don't have a substative argument, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Pull yourself towards yourself. Finally, your comment reflects more on you than it does on anyone else
This judge didn’t want to work ,maybe he was having hangover , one time he told Mshololo to not address the court like she’s in the tarven and confirmed to Mshololo that he is saying that because he goes to tarven for a drink 🥃
I just asked my self is ratha having family,wife ,grand children and what ,because unless he claimed the work experience there is no dignity at all,the man at his age is and embarancement to the family, I pity his grandchildren you know this children are talking at school and morking others ke sono ka family ya hae,senzo is like a son to them but this rubbish haebo,for baloi me I don't see a man at all their so naked
He needs glasses to see distant objects but can read without them. Most people who wear glasses need them mainly for reading and can cope with seeing distant objects without needing glasses.
I notes that. Rata cant get around the lies anymore you just see the white of his eyeballs the way he try to crook. Rata is not ashamed anymore knowing the world is whatching him . There is cameras everywhere we see rata clearly for what he stand for. Corruption spel all over his bosy language
Baloyi knew exactly what he was doing when he gave them all the documents in a disc without labelling them as the respective exhibits . I see you Adv. Baloyi but R v Hepworth 1928 says the court is not a chess game But the state/judge is playing chess with the defense. Baloyi could’ve given the defense the raw data plus the summary like what he gave to the judge.
@@marieklaaste9699 why did it take the whole of the defence team 8 months to indicate that they could not retrieve the information off the disc. That is utter laziness and a lack of commitment by the defence.
According to my opinion, the defence should try by all means to put all relevant facts and merits in record; preparing for appeal case were there will be a vote decision on the appeal case. Because here this five men are going to be convicted as charged and sentenced to effective lifes plus years direct prison term 💔😭😭😭😭 i believe that they are innocent.
the judge was 100% correct, the Mnisi guy is one one of the slow ones in the class or the clever ones who didnt do their home works turning the tables to make it like the prefect or class monitor didnt give the home work to other students correctly, so that they buy time, we know all this guys...
You don't know what are talking about wena this Judge is fooled by Baloyi s lies and that Lt col Gouws its a disgrace to the NPA and Saps all witnesses in this case are liars
Exactly! That is why the judge said, 'it hard to land a spaceship on Mars'. Meaning, Mnisi was making an issue out of nothing! It flew over some of the council's heads.
@@Adjudicator246 yes thats why even Mngomezulu end up saying "not all of us my Lord", meaning that all the deffence counsil was on the same page with others except Mnisi
Mnisi clearly does not grasp the use a filter on a table with multiple columns or a spreadsheet. This is fundamental knowledge taught to grade 6 scholars. He mistakenly believes he's making a significant point with his 'copy-and-paste' comment.
To add state want to prove that accused no5 indeed has a cellphone in the cell, don't forget that he is already in custody of other criminal and guilty of that,
Judge,Ratha,is using general observation of what the witness is saying on this evidence of cut n paste, actually it's a trick situation here,there is a possibility of editing using coral version 12,of using section 205 original information, the only problem is that Ratha,claims himself intelligent,while technology advances each n every day. Adv Mnisi is 100 percent on his observation
Did the judge just say "Forget about Stein!!" 2:05:54 Haibo! Wasn’t but Baloyi said Gouws is "building" on Stein's works which means we need Stein's work to understand Gouws'.
@@rita_TM Rams could have delivered his intended message without mentioning Steyn in response to the judge's prompt. The judge had already noticed that Rams was not following the presentation. All Rams had to do was to confirm. Basically, Rams was trying to hide behind Steyn so as to not look foolish.
The judge has already made a ruling we just need a new judge
Gracious Lord what did Senzo do to derseve this nonsense yhooooo
This hole case is cooked,you cannot have a person murdered in a house with 6 ppl and you dont bring all on stand? 😢That should ring alarms to all normal ppl..the investigation and trial can never exclude all those that were in the house as withnesses or accused.
u a 💯 what is happening now, they want to proof that all five accused ppl are knowing each other. Meanwhile they feed those who were in the house, with what to say in court, to implicate the accused. U will remember that, this court "judge" is not interested in what was said in the previous court "judge Maumela" proceedings. That's gives the witness an upper hand to totally give a new evidence; without being referred to the previous evidence.
No ways! Thee accused confessed this case is not cooked at all, justice fo the Meyiwa family shall prevail
Judge is an embarrassment and disgrace in SA justice system
Jp is in a moles hole to scared to come òut
It all end up in tears for their families
Mnisi raises an issue judge explains what the witness did while the judge was not there, how. does the judge know what filters Steinn used that ended up not giving him chronological order ... can the witnesses answer for themselves please.
Kgaaa this letagwa is always in a rush to soweto tavern siiiiis🚮jp o tshwana fela le ene coz he takes no action thats disguisting🤮
Cut & Paste evidence, Gouse is lying… this thing has been cooked. A spreadsheet cannot cause such a discrepancy that Mnisi identified, especially if you use filters/sort order.
Gouws didn't say anything , Judge took over completely. Judgge knew what Gouws wanted to say even before Gouws could say it.
it's because they had a meeting, before each court sessions ÷
1. Judge Mokgoatheng,
2. Prosecutor Baloyi,
3. Brigadier Gininda,
4. Chicco Twala,
5. Itjitji Khumalo & sister, and
6. Both Chicco & Itjitji Lawyers.
To ensure that the case goes their way. That's why Judge is always saying "in case this case goes somewhere e.g SCA "Supreme Court of Appeal " or CC "Constitutional Court" how can he make such remarks during the trial.
The so called judge grandfather Ratha just insulted Adv Mnisi in public by sharing a joke to Gouws by saying it is hard to fly a spacecraft to mars . Just google the sentence you'll see what he meant 😭😭😭 I am puzzled it is in great shame to watch such 😢
Googled it, couldn't find anything. What does it mean
He must continue we willl see him at the ConCourt yena
It means. Present day rockets are barely adequate to achieve the task . Despite their enormous complexity and expense.Only about 5% of the weight of a rocket on the launch pad reaches Earth orbit) So in my opinion that was an insult
@@bongilakey1019ngesintu ithini sisi wam...i love to stay awake
@@bongilakey1019You are wrong. The judge was saying Mnisi was making a fuss out of nothing! There was no insult in that
Makawusu cant present towers evidence never😂😂😂😂 he is not from vodacom or mtn or cell c never .The accused will walk out of the constitutional court with millions 🤞🤞🤞
What's wrong with the sound please sabc?
Gouws an expert whose forever assisted and corrected by both ratha and baloi 😳😳😳
It’s very troubling because they were not there when he did the analysis but they seem to know more than him on what he allegedly did. Do they think we can’t see what they are doing
Rise SA Rise this is not a fair trial
Ave nine problem no Judge Ratha xa umjongile impawu zakhe ubona inxila or awazi ukuba iinkabi zakho ungazi protecta njani, becouse xa esithi tarven ube khalima u Mshololo i behavior yakhe e court, jkwezinye izinto nibokhe nisebenzise i common sense guy's, nibadadala or nani yanibhuda ingqeqesho?
Don't stress I have realized that people can just judge you not knowing the reason of judging you.Just like hating what the judge has said without knowing why he said what he said.
Hayi umqunwakho wena sdengendini plus nalo judge wakho ubhatelweyo ubana makagwebe innocent people sphukuphuku somtu vula ingqondo zakho mqunduwebhentse ucimba ungubani wena satana
He doesn't have respect for the defence..I remember when Mshololo last year was disrespected by the witness and the judge did nothing to show he's in charge
Anyone who protects this judge is mad...we are not protecting these criminals but if they get convicted on the wrong case then the real killers of Senzo walks away. The real killers attended the class that states how to get away with murder. A judge enters in the game to get clarity not to wrongly convict people. Protect Ratha on your own peril
The thing the public wants justice fo thee accused! They favoring the defense! Of which of we only want justice fo the Meyiwa family! Not inkabi that confessed! All the accused were part of the hit of Senzo Nzori Robert Meyiwa
The phones call record is now a waist of time. Gininda is already proved that the accused were lying when they said they don't know each other. He Also proved that some accused were lying about their whereabouts in 2014.
It's dangerous to know someone this days it might happen u n that person commit crime
Gininda prove nonsense here. Proof of saying Lungisani " number Ntuli" s. That hog wash shame on your Gininda
Don't protect Inkabis wena😅
We South African are not stupid trust me on that we read the room and we have concluded
Ok let's say they know each other and they were around joburg on 2014,what does that tell us?
Giving time to state to fix
Baloyi was so scared for 205. Now we can see his nerves went tru the roof.
He cant fix nothing baloyi is ay thee end of his road. There is no bridge to x now. He hope for a river to swim tru.aai aai baloyi why u get yourself at this mess at the hight of your career. Now its down the heel 😢
Hope after this case you learnt your lesson. Dont intertain lies. I pray you bounce back dont stay down. Chicco is a crook he must pay for his deeds and also return from sin
I suspect Mshololo and Mnisi to be deliberately delaying the case
I hate this judge
I hate you too 👁👁👁
Same here why is even wasting our tax money he’s already find the guilty before proven innocent that how he is handling this trial “guilty until proven innocent’ intentionally frustrate the defence by interfering and disturb their line of questioning sies uyanyanyisa
Where's JP or someone are we the only ppl who share the feeling ayisuka
How do you feel about accused no5 the really hitman
Yooo accused 5 is a hard core. Does that make him senzo's killer?
When the judge said, 'it's hard to fly a spaceship to Mars,' he was implying that the current task was very easy and that Mnisi was making a fuss over nothing. I agree with the judge totally
Your level of dullness is on another level. Really, you are so dull
@@voiceofjustice-pm Why are you commenting on a thread of a dull person? Secondly, you lack substance, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Pull yourself towards yourself. Finally, your comment says more about you than it does about anyone else.
@Voice... Why are you commenting on a thread of a dull person? Secondly, you clearly lack substance, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Get a life. Finally, your comment reflects more about you than it does about anyone else.
@voice... Why are you commenting on a thread of a dull person? Secondly, you don't have a substative argument, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Pull yourself towards yourself. Finally, your comment reflects more on you than it does on anyone else
This judge didn’t want to work ,maybe he was having hangover , one time he told Mshololo to not address the court like she’s in the tarven and confirmed to Mshololo that he is saying that because he goes to tarven for a drink 🥃
He was being sarcastic in a way saying indirectly adv Mshololo's behavior is like that of tarven goers
True,Ratha is always using indirect speech when assassinating someone's character
I just asked my self is ratha having family,wife ,grand children and what ,because unless he claimed the work experience there is no dignity at all,the man at his age is and embarancement to the family, I pity his grandchildren you know this children are talking at school and morking others ke sono ka family ya hae,senzo is like a son to them but this rubbish haebo,for baloi me I don't see a man at all their so naked
Eh the judge is acting behind the papers 😢
The so called judge is removing the spectacle to read on the paper and put them back to look around the court, what could be the problem?
He is a long sightedness, so he need a more convex glasses to read close
He needs glasses to see distant objects but can read without them. Most people who wear glasses need them mainly for reading and can cope with seeing distant objects without needing glasses.
I concur with that. I read with my naked eye but use glasses to look further afield
Can we just pass cellphone stage pls cause whether they have known each other for 50 doesn't mean they kill senzo
they killed him
@@richmanmugadza6646longwe killed Senzo wena sduphunga
If you say so still cellphone story must just pass go be le progress
Why they were lying why they didn't admit to know each. why saying they were not in Jorbug
@@richmanmugadza6646xoka longwe 😂😂😂
why does the judge want to adjourn for the whole day?
He’s irritated
This is a disgrace...🙆
Still Baloyi and Ratha sit on this case ?we go nowhere with them where thos 7 people who were in the house?
I think it will be very easy to solve these case if boloyi brings all people who were in the house when incident happened thats all
Those people witnessed the killing, how would that help in solving the case? NKABI no.5 is linked to Kelly
Ratha covering his face making signs
I notes that. Rata cant get around the lies anymore you just see the white of his eyeballs the way he try to crook. Rata is not ashamed anymore knowing the world is whatching him . There is cameras everywhere we see rata clearly for what he stand for. Corruption spel all over his bosy language
Yaz ikhona lento esingayiboni ubaloyi afuna ukuyenza benomaloti wakhona ngibona indlela asheshisa ngayo ubaloyi
Kawusu is not an expect and he cant piing fones 😂😂😂 . Bona the accused will walk out of the constitutional court coz ratha has already sentenced them.
Baloyi knew exactly what he was doing when he gave them all the documents in a disc without labelling them as the respective exhibits . I see you Adv. Baloyi but R v Hepworth 1928 says the court is not a chess game But the state/judge is playing chess with the defense. Baloyi could’ve given the defense the raw data plus the summary like what he gave to the judge.
He did give them the raw data and the manipulated data. There is no issue here, as will be demonstrated tomorrow.
Didn’t the Judge block Mshololo yesterday from asking questions on an affidavit made by someone else , now he can
yesterday it was not in the state favour, that's why Judge did not allowed it. Today it is in the state benefit he will allow it.
What is the relevance of these testimonies that they called or sent each other sms when the actual messages or call records are not available🤷♂️🤷♂️
Is useless let the records tell us what was discussed am happy because miss kell khumalo is coming.
Remember they said they don't know each other when case begin
dont matter they not senzos killers longwe is. Chicco start the nonsense wanted to send kelly out of the country for what
Prob with these ppl they trust this weak defance team@@gladysmkhize4085
The evidence is placing the accused in Volso on the day of the incident that the relevance of these testimonies,
If the defence didn't read and open all the memory stick and disc how are they going to defend?
You nailed it. It is exactly the same gripe I have with defence. They do not do their homework or research.
@@Adjudicator246that disc was empty this one is the cooked one . Fist one nothing on
Ask chicco wat happen and jp
Npa gery nell all skelms
@@marieklaaste9699 why did it take the whole of the defence team 8 months to indicate that they could not retrieve the information off the disc. That is utter laziness and a lack of commitment by the defence.
1:58:18 judge leading the witness
4:32:17 is the judge signaling the witnes behind that paper?????😮
He started last week with these hand gestures
O yess we all saw that
4:25:34 judge trying to justify the witnesses evidence so why do we need the witness
Bunch of clueless advocates 🤦♂️
Mme Moshololo o lost
According to my opinion, the defence should try by all means to put all relevant facts and merits in record; preparing for appeal case were there will be a vote decision on the appeal case. Because here this five men are going to be convicted as charged and sentenced to effective lifes plus years direct prison term 💔😭😭😭😭 i believe that they are innocent.
the judge was 100% correct, the Mnisi guy is one one of the slow ones in the class or the clever ones who didnt do their home works turning the tables to make it like the prefect or class monitor didnt give the home work to other students correctly, so that they buy time, we know all this guys...
You don't know what are talking about wena this Judge is fooled by Baloyi s lies and that Lt col Gouws its a disgrace to the NPA and Saps all witnesses in this case are liars
Exactly! That is why the judge said, 'it hard to land a spaceship on Mars'. Meaning, Mnisi was making an issue out of nothing! It flew over some of the council's heads.
@@Adjudicator246baloyi nerves was out of space. He land on is back with a parachute
Baloyi take your bribe and gv back 2 chicco to get peace of mind
@@Adjudicator246 yes thats why even Mngomezulu end up saying "not all of us my Lord", meaning that all the deffence counsil was on the same page with others except Mnisi
why are we using common sense with data. numbers speak for themselves you don't need common sense to decide what goes where.
Mnisi go learn how excel works....use this opportunity
Mnisi clearly does not grasp the use a filter on a table with multiple columns or a spreadsheet. This is fundamental knowledge taught to grade 6 scholars. He mistakenly believes he's making a significant point with his 'copy-and-paste' comment.
Too much drama in this case
They wasting time they can't tell what was communicated mos
Yerrr this Gouws,u busy nge 2 shedis download
Just saw judge fingers and mr vaseline head in soweto tarven, i think they're dating
The defence team izidomu waisting time nothing useless
Even today kusanomlungu ongakwazi ukubiza amagama ayikho lento
4:34:53 The Judge insulted the Defense "Is difficult to fly a spacecraft to mars"
WHATS THE RELEVANCE OF 2018 COMMUNICATION WHEN THE CRIME HAPPEND IN 2014
Because beside the forced confessions the state wanna rebuke the testimony of Sibiya when his lawyer said he said in that period he was not in Jo-burg
They don't have evidence of the day of the shooting, so they are trying to fabricate circumstantial evidence
To add state want to prove that accused no5 indeed has a cellphone in the cell, don't forget that he is already in custody of other criminal and guilty of that,
@@DorisMhlongo-l9t😂but those are cookies there is no such thing😮
It proves bayazana kakhulu not by chance!!!! ...acquaintances!!!!
Am scared to comment.
Why I’m having a feeling that Senzo killer is among those accused
It's because your feelings expired way back
Engabe baqala nini ukwazana and engabe yini le ababekhuluma ngayo igazi lomuntu liyakhuluma inyembezi zomuntu ngeke ziwela phansi
Ngeke sikubuke lokho sizogxeka u Ratha
4:27:41 judge must not lead the witness
Judge,Ratha,is using general observation of what the witness is saying on this evidence of cut n paste, actually it's a trick situation here,there is a possibility of editing using coral version 12,of using section 205 original information, the only problem is that Ratha,claims himself intelligent,while technology advances each n every day. Adv Mnisi is 100 percent on his observation
Not really, Mnisi does not understand how a filter works. He is making a fuss out of nothing. He will find that our tomorrow.
@@Adjudicator246wait and see so far no evidence 5 is the killer. Baloyi stil struggling now for 10 yrs to find the killer right under his nose
If gninsa can just go spaza shop case solved he and his incompetence glfrd magolo
@@marieklaaste9699 that is another matter altogether.
Poor quality sound
Abuse of power to mr witness, prosecutor, judge , mr Ratha hes getting more money of doing threes job
Umlomo and Gouws are lost😂😂
South Africa
Did the judge just say "Forget about Stein!!" 2:05:54
Haibo! Wasn’t but Baloyi said Gouws is "building" on Stein's works which means we need Stein's work to understand Gouws'.
The judge is saying that Steyn is not relevant in what they were discussing at THAT moment. Nothing more than that.
@@Adjudicator246 wasn't it relevent though? but if you believe so its ok
@@rita_TM Rams could have delivered his intended message without mentioning Steyn in response to the judge's prompt. The judge had already noticed that Rams was not following the presentation. All Rams had to do was to confirm. Basically, Rams was trying to hide behind Steyn so as to not look foolish.
THE CHEFS ARE COOKING
This defance is becoming weak tjerr😅
Mlomo kaBaloyi bafethu😂😂😂
Ungathi bamshaye nge fist or ungathi ufuna uku shaya ifleit😂😂😂😂
yangena inkumbi yaphuma nokhozo X 1 million
Ratha no one laughed!
Nazo😅
This judge maar...?
😢😢
Incompetent Judge
😂