I cant remember which nhl, but i know a young demko used to have crazy high poise and always skyrocketed because of it. Think its really important on goalies
I make my own rosters as well, and I've always been challenged by what to do when you have struggling players who were still star players in recent years. Huberdeau, Dubois for example. I've always toyed with keeping skill the same, bumping offensive awareness down (and vise-versa). But perhaps all I needed to do was tank the poise by like 40 points. Very interesting experiment, and extremely helpful, thank you sir.
Ya I was thinking the same thing, will probably have to do a bit more testing but messing with the poise and maybe still slightly offensive awareness might be the way to go! No problem at all!
Simulating is cool and good for stats, but it would have been interesting if you played like 2 or 3 games with each and commented on differences and feel
Seems like poise can have something to do with team play... the low amount of assists is odd. But Yeah I dont think poise matters much, if at all, in BaP wich is what I usually play
Very interesting, I always thought poise played a pretty big role, but it was just a guess. Any chance on an update 10 for the roster coming out? If so, what day/week should we expect it?
Ya it seems like overall its actually a pretty significant stat when it comes to putting up points! I am currently working on it, I'd say it'll be out mid June ish. Its gonna be the final update of 24 so want to leave everything in the best state as possible!
It's interesting to see that huge drop in performance with having no poise. I think you dropped in some stats because, statistically, your performance that season didn't quite match your given franchise potential. And because of off season natural growth, your stats came back up. I'm also curious on what your performance would be like if you gave yourself 60 poise.
@@VasyRosterUpdates I''ve done this 3 season test and the results were actually quite funny. Now I wanted to do this because I thought I would push more overall attribute growth because of statistical growth judging from this video. Also, I've watched your other video testing prospect growth unsigned, ahl, and nhl. and what was surprising to me is that I simulated 3 seasons with the max poise player and the scratched 36 poise player ended up getting more natural growth and had a higher overall not playing a single game. I'm like bro what am I doing this was a silly experiment LOL. In Be a pro we don't really get that much of a description on this specific attribute. "Poise is a player's ability to remain calm under high pressure situations". in this video you've shown us that with No poise it severely affects your statistical performance in those simulations. With that said I think its more of long term attribute that could help later in a players career. Because it is one of those attributes that will continue to improve as your player gets older in age while the other attributes tend to regress. Yes I think poise will still help at any given point in a players career, it'll just be more useful later. correct me if I'm wrong but a players natural growth development stops at age 26? or 28? and after that its all about maintaining and statistical growth thats why some players overall improve and some dont depending on their potential. I've seen Henrique jump from 83 overall to 87 overall and then regress because of statistical growth and age. Now, I think, but I could also be so wrong on this because sims and development seem to be random in this game. But in theory, if you get a 30 year old player and give him 99 poise and a good veterans coach, It should delay his regression and give him the best possible statistical growth and push his overall the most. I've used phill kessel in one of my franchise modes and he jumped from 80 overall to 85 overall but then dropped back down to 79.
I always thought high poise was good for playoff stats, cause ive had 4th liner with high poise like bickell for example back in nhl 15 hed always put up good numbers in the post season
I think there was a slight flaw in your experiment. I think having No Poise sit for 3 seasons degraded his stats, for a better comparison you should have done 3 seasons with one, created a fresh file, and sim’d the same 3 seasons with the other, that way the team isn’t changing/team experience isn’t to do with an increase or decrease in Performance.
That is true I see what your saying, I think doing the first season over and over would hopefully avoid that. My main thing of the same file was just wanting to keep coaching/line chemistry the same
@@VasyRosterUpdates one way to work around this in the future is to create two save files at the start of Year 1, sim through the 3 seasons, and then reload the original save - swap the players, and repeat the sim. Should keep all your variables intact.
The wya he simmed it is the most controlled. Being the same save file for all 6 sims you get - same line, except All or No poise - same coach - same team and schedules. I'm sure he turned injuries off and assistant coach lines too. The team results were consistent as well, with both line up racking 100+ each season.
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Basically short version is that there appears to be a pretty significant connection between points scored and a players poise! The 36 poise player put up about half the about of points that the 99 poise player put up
@@VasyRosterUpdates okay thats actually really good to know. so at least we know poise actually really matters when building a strong team in franchise mode
Always appreciate the feedback! It's weird I just got a new mic a few months ago, and I'm a bit back when doing voice overs, I'll take a look at it in the future!
It's one of those things that I don't think anyone really knows for sure. Some people think it's a playoff stat , people think it's how a player well a player reacts after taking a hit. It's hard to say I'd love an absolute answer from the dev team about it!
Could've just used Hampus Lindholm for your No Poise example 🤣
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@@marcussorensen5549 because the man has no poise!
I cant remember which nhl, but i know a young demko used to have crazy high poise and always skyrocketed because of it. Think its really important on goalies
I vaguely remember something about that too. Definitely want to re do this test but with goalies down the road!
@@VasyRosterUpdatesyes please do
I make my own rosters as well, and I've always been challenged by what to do when you have struggling players who were still star players in recent years. Huberdeau, Dubois for example. I've always toyed with keeping skill the same, bumping offensive awareness down (and vise-versa). But perhaps all I needed to do was tank the poise by like 40 points. Very interesting experiment, and extremely helpful, thank you sir.
Ya I was thinking the same thing, will probably have to do a bit more testing but messing with the poise and maybe still slightly offensive awareness might be the way to go!
No problem at all!
The word “poise” lost all meaning in my mind halfway through 😂 great vid!
Haha thanks man!
I always thought poised meant how well they would perform while under pressure
That's what my understanding of it was for the longest time to! Maybe it still has some relation
Very interesting. 🤔 This could change the way people edit rosters in the future.
100%, I was always under the impression it didn't really do anything... Definitely be looking at it closer in the future
Simulating is cool and good for stats, but it would have been interesting if you played like 2 or 3 games with each and commented on differences and feel
Yeah how the sim engine handles it isnt as interesting to me
Ya thats fair, I could look at that for the future! unfortunately, I'm definitely not the best person to go to when it comes to actual gameplay haha
Seems like poise can have something to do with team play... the low amount of assists is odd. But Yeah I dont think poise matters much, if at all, in BaP wich is what I usually play
Ya agreed! I think it totally just influences the sim when it comes to game play like in BAP I don't believe there would be any impact
Obviously a very limited sample size. But does some real damage to the "poise is for playoffs" adage!
Ya very true, thats what everyone has said for years and years now!
Can you do this but with goalies?
I have it scheduled for next Sunday!
I'm sure you explained but I am too unpatient to rewind.... is every test a new franchise mode file with different coaches?
For this test the coaches remained completely the same for all 6 sims, I just turned off the auto save and kept reloading the same file!
Very interesting, I always thought poise played a pretty big role, but it was just a guess.
Any chance on an update 10 for the roster coming out? If so, what day/week should we expect it?
Ya it seems like overall its actually a pretty significant stat when it comes to putting up points!
I am currently working on it, I'd say it'll be out mid June ish. Its gonna be the final update of 24 so want to leave everything in the best state as possible!
@@VasyRosterUpdates thanks for putting in the work 🙏🏻 looking forward to it!
@McKnightBlade no problem at all, I love putting them out!
It's interesting to see that huge drop in performance with having no poise. I think you dropped in some stats because, statistically, your performance that season didn't quite match your given franchise potential. And because of off season natural growth, your stats came back up. I'm also curious on what your performance would be like if you gave yourself 60 poise.
when I get home I'm going to test medium top 6 potential with everything 70 but with 99 poise and compare it to having no poise. lol
Definitely let me know the results haha, been doing alittle bit more experimenting offline with poise but always good to get more info!
@@VasyRosterUpdates I''ve done this 3 season test and the results were actually quite funny. Now I wanted to do this because I thought I would push more overall attribute growth because of statistical growth judging from this video. Also, I've watched your other video testing prospect growth unsigned, ahl, and nhl.
and what was surprising to me is that I simulated 3 seasons with the max poise player and the scratched 36 poise player ended up getting more natural growth and had a higher overall not playing a single game. I'm like bro what am I doing this was a silly experiment LOL.
In Be a pro we don't really get that much of a description on this specific attribute. "Poise is a player's ability to remain calm under high pressure situations". in this video you've shown us that with No poise it severely affects your statistical performance in those simulations.
With that said I think its more of long term attribute that could help later in a players career. Because it is one of those attributes that will continue to improve as your player gets older in age while the other attributes tend to regress. Yes I think poise will still help at any given point in a players career, it'll just be more useful later. correct me if I'm wrong but a players natural growth development stops at age 26? or 28? and after that its all about maintaining and statistical growth thats why some players overall improve and some dont depending on their potential. I've seen Henrique jump from 83 overall to 87 overall and then regress because of statistical growth and age.
Now, I think, but I could also be so wrong on this because sims and development seem to be random in this game. But in theory, if you get a 30 year old player and give him 99 poise and a good veterans coach, It should delay his regression and give him the best possible statistical growth and push his overall the most. I've used phill kessel in one of my franchise modes and he jumped from 80 overall to 85 overall but then dropped back down to 79.
I always thought high poise was good for playoff stats, cause ive had 4th liner with high poise like bickell for example back in nhl 15 hed always put up good numbers in the post season
Ya that's what I always thought to! Who knows it might as well it is a small sample size
I think there was a slight flaw in your experiment. I think having No Poise sit for 3 seasons degraded his stats, for a better comparison you should have done 3 seasons with one, created a fresh file, and sim’d the same 3 seasons with the other, that way the team isn’t changing/team experience isn’t to do with an increase or decrease in Performance.
That is true I see what your saying, I think doing the first season over and over would hopefully avoid that. My main thing of the same file was just wanting to keep coaching/line chemistry the same
@@VasyRosterUpdates one way to work around this in the future is to create two save files at the start of Year 1, sim through the 3 seasons, and then reload the original save - swap the players, and repeat the sim. Should keep all your variables intact.
Should actually play with them and note what is different, like have them both in a practice
And also this is like a super inaccurate test cause of all the weird injury stuff and should have simmed them on seperate sims
The wya he simmed it is the most controlled.
Being the same save file for all 6 sims you get
- same line, except All or No poise
- same coach
- same team and schedules.
I'm sure he turned injuries off and assistant coach lines too.
The team results were consistent as well, with both line up racking 100+ each season.
Where do you get all your music from? You should make a playlist!
I'm kinda in a weird spot with music right now, I got everything from my editing app up until the last month or so, but I've recently started having copyright issues with them.
Working on a new alternative, I can definitely look at a playlist in the future!
whats the TL;DR? theres so much information my pea brain cant comprehend
Basically short version is that there appears to be a pretty significant connection between points scored and a players poise!
The 36 poise player put up about half the about of points that the 99 poise player put up
@@VasyRosterUpdates okay thats actually really good to know. so at least we know poise actually really matters when building a strong team in franchise mode
So poise only matters in franchise mode?
I believe so. I don't think imo it would effect anything outside of the sim
Not that I don't appreciate the video, but could you maybe move your mic a few inches away from your face so it cleans up the sound.
Always appreciate the feedback! It's weird I just got a new mic a few months ago, and I'm a bit back when doing voice overs, I'll take a look at it in the future!
What is poise
It's one of those things that I don't think anyone really knows for sure. Some people think it's a playoff stat , people think it's how a player well a player reacts after taking a hit.
It's hard to say I'd love an absolute answer from the dev team about it!
It almost seems like it's a consistency attribute.
Ya I tend to agree, definitely was not expecting that haha