I have always wondered if James Conrad could throw farther if he actually stopped his forward momentum because hes not one of the longest throwers on the tour.
I would like to see a similar video but of how they are throwing in the world distance competition. Of course I could just watch those videos in .25 playback speed. But this was a supremely good video showing the many different forms but showcasing all of the similarities in what they are doing to get the disc to go 500'+
just for some people who are trying to study form to look out for in this. You need to slow down the video to .25 to notice but the amount players hips rotate past the shoulders the more power they have. It’s like trying to lag your shoulders behind your hips. Creates more tensions to force your shoulders through. This takes an extremely long amount of time and eagles is the most obvious. You don’t throw far from the biggest run up or fastest, it’s trying to make the biggest gap between your hips and your shoulders
Nobody is throwing with there hips. Stop video on release of disc. Disc just coming out of hand there hip are still perpendicular to the throw. The fallow threw leg comes around is because of stayle of throw. Force over leg comes around because you are standing more up right. Leg stays back on hyzer throw because you bend over more can stop forward momentum better.
@@temkef6124 arms a noodle is funny. I have lots of slow motion throwing video on Eagle and he is not throwing hips first. Reach back make tension in body. Then fire your hips all the spring tension is gone. You end up throwing with your arm. I have watched the video of some guys that say throw hips first and they are not. I stopped video on release and there hips are perpendicular to the throw. People think they are throwing hips first because they are standing straight up and throwing. Basically they are throwing anhyzers. it gives the feel that your hips are going first but they are not. Like to see a hip first thrower throw a hyzer. Every video is a anhyzer. Thanks for talking .
This is awesome, nice work! I ran across this video because I've recently injured my right foot and am thinking that the cause of the injury (sprain of the interosseous membrane, aka high ankle sprain, according to the MRI) was probably caused by my throwing from the tee as my right foot pivoted (right handed backhand). I have several problems with my foot (chronic achilles tendonitis, plantar fasciitis, bursitis, and 3rd metatarsal pain), so I may be the only person whose foot has reacted so badly to tee shots. It started two days after playing, and just got more and more swollen and was very painful. I ended up in a walking boot and on crutches, and now at 16 days after the swelling started, it has mostly receded, but I am very tender to the touch behind and above the outside ankle. That plus the usual tender and painful achilles tendon make it so I can't really push off with the right foot. Anybody else have a similar story to share?
Seems like Gurthie, Gibson, McMahon all have the most proper use of mechanics in their form. Effective at stopping their forward momentum with their right foot. They stay on the tee pad and we know they are the biggest distance throwers in that video. Oh and Barela.
It’s interesting to see how much higher Calvin’s reach back is compared to others. At it’s apex, it almost looks like he is going to spike the disc right into the ground.
Yeah, but wouldnt it be pretty normal height if he would just extend the lower arm like most do? He and couple others does this, the reachback is basically same but no extension of elbow.
I noticed how AB has almost an exagerated pull in compared to Paul McBeth (almost like a curl), I also remember Overthrow DG mentioning something similar might have to try implementing that to my own form
That little bit of extra extension is where AB gets his power from, It lags behind then gets whipped around once his hips engage, It's a thing of beauty!
Some seem to stay behind the brace completely while others throw through the brace more. Look at Gibson for example of staying behind the brace. I noticed in the 2023 Distance competition where Tamm threw 700+, that he stayed behind his brace more completely than the other competitors. Is that a big factor in getting the maximum distance possible? If so, what is the key to doing so?
Not sure what you mean by brace. Drew does have a more compact style, but that's related to his body type. What I notice is how much they all come through their release, the speed is so much there that the body follows through all the way.
I've come to the conclusion it's probably just a result of runup speed + step length. If your runup is faster, then however you do it you will preserve some forward momentum and drift forward over the brace at some point. The key is utilizing the energy in the brace before that happens, so timing. Similarily if your last step is short, then you have less time to spend "behind" your brace, while a longer step will net you a longer distance before you arrive at the brace. This is how/why peoples brace leg straightens out all the way or not. Obviously on some touch shots, especially hyzers, you might crouch down more, leading to a bent brace leg aswell. The longer stepped variant requires superb mobility, which is why most people will find more success in shortening their steps.
Everyone is releasing the disc off a braced front foot. There hips come threw after disc is released. No pro is throwing hips first. Pause video on release of disc ( right when disc is released) look where hips are. The back leg follow through depends on throw they are throwing if throwing a hyzer back leg will stay back if there throwing a force over you stand up straighter back leg will come through.
@@michaelr1397 I've also noticed that the foot pivots as the disc comes through for the throwers known for distance: Gibson, Guthrie, McMahon, Heinburg
The way they are able to collapse the shoulders on the follow through is something nobody talks about. Having that hypermobility is incredible for your distance.
There is so much going on it's easy to miss this but you're right. It's almost like a downward punching motion that they are doing to collapse the shoulder. Definitely gonna try this out next time I throw!
Coaches: "You have to stop your momentum, that's what generates power." Eagle McMahon: "2MPH WALK UP, 1MPH X-STEP, 550ft. BOMB SEE YA." Seriously his slo-mo is SO MUCH SLOWER than the rest. How???
I'm noticing that his arm is straight and how shoulders are back so much longer than everyone else. AB is starting to let the elbow break before his weight is all the way on his front foot, but Eagle's shoulders don't start turning until his back heel is up. I'm working on backhand timing and trying to figure this all out.
@@timkvernen4852 Great observation. Yeah I've heard Eagle say (in a recent vid with Drew Gibson, I think) that he thinks about generating power from the ground up. Which we've all heard before, but whenever I really try to weight-shift/slam on my front foot AND THEN throw, the disc goes 150ft. (and it feels so unbelievably wrong). But that's because I've got bad form/mechanics I guess. Thanks for the informative comment!
@@flippeditude1170 In the past I was just working on straightening my leg to brace but realized that I was doing it when my hip was above my foot. For the leg extension to rotate your hips, your hip needs to be behind the foot (otherwise you're just kind of jumping). I've gotten some more distance that way, but still needs some work!
@@timkvernen4852 Yeah I definitely fall over my 'brace', when I try to throw hard. Haven't thought about it in quite the way you put it. Might help me; thanks very much :)
The biggest difference is that the big distance guys put all their momentum into the arm and therefore the disc. Which is why they stop. The less distance throws continue moving forward after throwing cos they haven't managed to put ALL the momentum where it's supposed to go meaning their form is not right
Drew Gibson: almost from a standstill. James Conrad: almost from a different zip code.
Haha
I have always wondered if James Conrad could throw farther if he actually stopped his forward momentum because hes not one of the longest throwers on the tour.
Gibson and McBeth are my favorites to watch. Completely effortless. Conrad turns himself into a giant rubber band.
@@John.Angell Mcbeth's style seems to be the easiest to recreate, he's not a super tall or long guy but still crushes, great body mechanics.
@@michaelr1397 my wife and I have recently been having this same discussion.
Great video!
Thanks for watching!
@@discgolfcrew702 Thank you!
I would like to see a similar video but of how they are throwing in the world distance competition. Of course I could just watch those videos in .25 playback speed. But this was a supremely good video showing the many different forms but showcasing all of the similarities in what they are doing to get the disc to go 500'+
just for some people who are trying to study form to look out for in this. You need to slow down the video to .25 to notice but the amount players hips rotate past the shoulders the more power they have. It’s like trying to lag your shoulders behind your hips. Creates more tensions to force your shoulders through. This takes an extremely long amount of time and eagles is the most obvious. You don’t throw far from the biggest run up or fastest, it’s trying to make the biggest gap between your hips and your shoulders
Nobody is throwing with there hips. Stop video on release of disc. Disc just coming out of hand there hip are still perpendicular to the throw. The fallow threw leg comes around is because of stayle of throw. Force over leg comes around because you are standing more up right. Leg stays back on hyzer throw because you bend over more can stop forward momentum better.
@@michaelr1397 you took that way too literally. and eagles hips are past his shoulders. your arms a noodle and your hips drive through
@@temkef6124 arms a noodle is funny. I have lots of slow motion throwing video on Eagle and he is not throwing hips first. Reach back make tension in body. Then fire your hips all the spring tension is gone. You end up throwing with your arm. I have watched the video of some guys that say throw hips first and they are not. I stopped video on release and there hips are perpendicular to the throw. People think they are throwing hips first because they are standing straight up and throwing. Basically they are throwing anhyzers. it gives the feel that your hips are going first but they are not. Like to see a hip first thrower throw a hyzer. Every video is a anhyzer. Thanks for talking .
This is awesome, nice work! I ran across this video because I've recently injured my right foot and am thinking that the cause of the injury (sprain of the interosseous membrane, aka high ankle sprain, according to the MRI) was probably caused by my throwing from the tee as my right foot pivoted (right handed backhand). I have several problems with my foot (chronic achilles tendonitis, plantar fasciitis, bursitis, and 3rd metatarsal pain), so I may be the only person whose foot has reacted so badly to tee shots. It started two days after playing, and just got more and more swollen and was very painful. I ended up in a walking boot and on crutches, and now at 16 days after the swelling started, it has mostly receded, but I am very tender to the touch behind and above the outside ankle. That plus the usual tender and painful achilles tendon make it so I can't really push off with the right foot. Anybody else have a similar story to share?
Great video. Thanks. subd.
Thanks!
Seems like Gurthie, Gibson, McMahon all have the most proper use of mechanics in their form. Effective at stopping their forward momentum with their right foot. They stay on the tee pad and we know they are the biggest distance throwers in that video. Oh and Barela.
It’s interesting to see how much higher Calvin’s reach back is compared to others. At it’s apex, it almost looks like he is going to spike the disc right into the ground.
I kept thinking the same thing. The disc is almost level with his head lol
Yeah, but wouldnt it be pretty normal height if he would just extend the lower arm like most do? He and couple others does this, the reachback is basically same but no extension of elbow.
Anthony Barela’s form 👌
Biggest take away, plant your heel down before starting your swing.
I noticed how AB has almost an exagerated pull in compared to Paul McBeth (almost like a curl), I also remember Overthrow DG mentioning something similar might have to try implementing that to my own form
That little bit of extra extension is where AB gets his power from, It lags behind then gets whipped around once his hips engage, It's a thing of beauty!
@@discgolfcrew702 So true, that extra wrist extension he gets at the peak of his reach back is pretty cool.
Some seem to stay behind the brace completely while others throw through the brace more. Look at Gibson for example of staying behind the brace. I noticed in the 2023 Distance competition where Tamm threw 700+, that he stayed behind his brace more completely than the other competitors. Is that a big factor in getting the maximum distance possible? If so, what is the key to doing so?
Not sure what you mean by brace. Drew does have a more compact style, but that's related to his body type. What I notice is how much they all come through their release, the speed is so much there that the body follows through all the way.
I've come to the conclusion it's probably just a result of runup speed + step length.
If your runup is faster, then however you do it you will preserve some forward momentum and drift forward over the brace at some point. The key is utilizing the energy in the brace before that happens, so timing.
Similarily if your last step is short, then you have less time to spend "behind" your brace, while a longer step will net you a longer distance before you arrive at the brace.
This is how/why peoples brace leg straightens out all the way or not. Obviously on some touch shots, especially hyzers, you might crouch down more, leading to a bent brace leg aswell.
The longer stepped variant requires superb mobility, which is why most people will find more success in shortening their steps.
Everyone is releasing the disc off a braced front foot. There hips come threw after disc is released. No pro is throwing hips first. Pause video on release of disc ( right when disc is released) look where hips are. The back leg follow through depends on throw they are throwing if throwing a hyzer back leg will stay back if there throwing a force over you stand up straighter back leg will come through.
@@michaelr1397 I've also noticed that the foot pivots as the disc comes through for the throwers known for distance: Gibson, Guthrie, McMahon, Heinburg
@@konroh2 ya I think foot does also on a hard throw. My foot did not release one time and I tweeted my ankle.
The way they are able to collapse the shoulders on the follow through is something nobody talks about. Having that hypermobility is incredible for your distance.
There is so much going on it's easy to miss this but you're right. It's almost like a downward punching motion that they are doing to collapse the shoulder. Definitely gonna try this out next time I throw!
Coaches: "You have to stop your momentum, that's what generates power."
Eagle McMahon: "2MPH WALK UP, 1MPH X-STEP, 550ft. BOMB SEE YA."
Seriously his slo-mo is SO MUCH SLOWER than the rest. How???
I'm noticing that his arm is straight and how shoulders are back so much longer than everyone else. AB is starting to let the elbow break before his weight is all the way on his front foot, but Eagle's shoulders don't start turning until his back heel is up. I'm working on backhand timing and trying to figure this all out.
@@timkvernen4852 Great observation. Yeah I've heard Eagle say (in a recent vid with Drew Gibson, I think) that he thinks about generating power from the ground up. Which we've all heard before, but whenever I really try to weight-shift/slam on my front foot AND THEN throw, the disc goes 150ft. (and it feels so unbelievably wrong). But that's because I've got bad form/mechanics I guess. Thanks for the informative comment!
@@flippeditude1170 In the past I was just working on straightening my leg to brace but realized that I was doing it when my hip was above my foot. For the leg extension to rotate your hips, your hip needs to be behind the foot (otherwise you're just kind of jumping). I've gotten some more distance that way, but still needs some work!
@@timkvernen4852 Yeah I definitely fall over my 'brace', when I try to throw hard. Haven't thought about it in quite the way you put it. Might help me; thanks very much :)
The biggest difference is that the big distance guys put all their momentum into the arm and therefore the disc. Which is why they stop. The less distance throws continue moving forward after throwing cos they haven't managed to put ALL the momentum where it's supposed to go meaning their form is not right
and energy leak.
nothing more annoying than having to step up to a teepad like that in the run up - make them longer or fix the ground around it.
I agree its annoying, seems like an easy fix 🤷♂️
shit in one hand and wish in the other.
Presnells form is 🤮