Who are the Pro-Russian Separatists of Ukraine? (Donetsk and Luhansk)
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Russia has not been alone in its attack on Ukraine, two 'people's republics' in the east of Ukraine in the Donbas region. The Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) and the Lugansk/Luhansk People's Republic (LNR) were established in 2014 following the Euromaidan Protests and the Russian annexation of Crimea as pro-Russian separatist states.
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If these regions of Ukraine want to be part of Russia, why are we USA not supporting them, that right to self determination we talk about for Taiwan. Apparently my govt is full of B.S...
If Taiwan is not careful it will be destroyed by the west in the same manner that they are destroying Ukraine. This war did NOT start in 2022. Its a civil war that started when the US staged a coup and brought in far right fascists.
Or when NATO supported Kosovo because they wanted independence from Serbia.... THIS IS LITERALLY THE SAME SITUATION BUT ONLY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO JOIN RUSSIA NATO SEES THEM AS AN ENEMY
This was apart of russias strategy in 2014 too create chaos in Ukraine because Putin didnt get what he wanted. He thought it would be easy as he did i Crimea but not all ppl was for what happend so he sent his FSB guys like Igor Grikin and so on and they created havok. All weapons came from russia because Ukraine didnt have tanks and so on there in storage. There is a very good set of videos from Vice called Russian roulette on YT and there you can see almost all for yourself.
Thanks for the disclaimer. If only people understood the differentiation between explaining a perspective and justifying that point of view, RUclips would be less toxic a place.
The world would, I think.
Sadly most people simply aren't that smart. Hence the toxic levels.
99% of People can tend to be absolute backwards emotoinal monkies and cannot absorb information that their badly modulated emotions get in the way of.
Tell that to anyone i talk to in real life. You start explaining things and they call you a nazi sympathizer and putin defender russian propagandist when all you are is explaining the situation
@@russianteam they will call you putin bot
One more important point you missed: coal miners and their organisation played a very significant role in Ukraine gaining independance. They marched to Kyiv a couple of times for strikes, and independance of Ukraine from the USSR was among things they belived in and demanded.
Yeah he's missed a lot, and if you're too effective at calling it out, as in many likes, he will delete your post. This guy gives you a grade school surface level totally biased view. And anybody that is getting history of the region from a source that doesn't use Kiev, is revised western propaganda. I didn't even know what city he was talking about because I read real history books, and actual articles and official documents. So imagine how disappointing i was watching this animated fantasy reproduction of classic western propaganda.
The largest loss of civilian life in a single missile strike was perpetrated against Donetsk 2 days ago. It was a Ukrainian missile.
I'd argue civilians have 'asked for war' by democratically choosing to be a wannbe EU vassal state instead of Russian or Neutral, then crapping on regions that almost unanimously wanted to be Russian, with a few Neutrals and almost no pro EU membership people.. I'd argue civilians that supported the attempt to kick the Russian Navy out of Crimea 'asked for war'.. I'd argue Zelensky calling for direct NATO military involvement is 'asking for MEGA-WAR'..
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Putin Would have settled for Crimea and the 2 separatist regions plus guarantees of military neutrality and weapons purchases from both sides. He has Transnistia (sic) as well so it would have been enough to secure the Black Sea weak point of Russia. This would have given Russia about 1/3 of Ukraine's huge untapped gas fields and quite a few other resources..
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Now Putin is using a vulgar display of power to properly secure Russia's weakest and most threatened points (The Black Sea and entrance between mountains and sea to the vast Russian plain). He probably wants a diagonal line from Maldova to just East of Kiev, leaving Kiev to Ukraine, battered to bits... A permanent, manned, HARD MILITARY BORDER with a guaranteed Neutral or pro Russian buffer state known as New Ukraine, 1/3 smaller with 1/2 to 2/3rd fewer natural resources with a border 10 or 20 miles from Kiev.
@@PrivateSi I'd say most Ukrainians were hoodwinked but the azov types asked for it
@@tubthump .. You can blame brainwashing and corruption if you like but millions of Ukrainians protested and voted to cross many red lines that Putin had warned would lead to military action. There is no mass surrender movement to end the war, there is a mass recruitment movement to prolong the war..
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The West's masses have no idea how little the rest of the world needs the West. All technology has been transferred to the East bar the odd component that the West is still currently slightly ahead on... These are dwindling, especially in Europe. Russia may well rise with China while The West disintegrates... Russia could also revolt too... We'll see.. The Liberal Globalist experiment is ending in global tyranny...
Donbass - the name is only remotely related to river Don, which does not flow via Ukraine at all. There is another river, Severskry Donets (sort of Nothen Donets) which is the tributary of the Don. Name Donetsk is after that river, so is the region, Donbass (Donets bassein, which loosely mean coal reservoir).
Exactly.
Bingo!
100%
Donbass literally means "Donets coal basin", simple as
summery: it ok to pro western but not ok to pro Russia.
Can you distinguish between facts and propaganda? I haven´t heard anything like that in the video?
Something to note: малоросів or Malorussians translated "Little Russians" refers to "People of Little Russia" not "Russians who are Little". It is considered by most an archaic and even demeaning term which is mainly used by people justifying one thing or another by implying Ukraine is a small part of Russia, which in turn would be Greater Russia. I would compare it to other terms used in the 1800s and even up to the 1960s, but you can imagine why I won't.
Edit: There are some replies saying the term is offensive, and some saying it's not. My own policy in such situations is not to use it.
It's actually just that the territory that is now Ukraine used to be Kievan Rus, considered the origin of the Russian people, thus it's more like "Original [smaller] Russia" and "Greater [bigger] Russia", cf. Greater Serbia, Greater Poland, etc., - while not quite that, it's a somewhat similar idea.
@@Stychinsky it is quite that. Name "Russia" comes from greek, thus the terms Smaller Russia and Greater Russia, analogical to how it was used in Greece: Greater Greece meaning the colonies of Smaller Greece.
I always assumed that, much like how Belarusian are not just Russians with big bellies.
Ukraine literally means the periphery or fronteir lands, as in the periphery of Russia. Ukraine has either been part of Rus civilization or under the yoke of a foreign people for its entire history. It makes about as much sense for Ukraine to be separate from Russia and for Texas to be Separate from the U.S. None of that justifies Russia's war of aggression but lets not pretend Ukraine is something it isnt. It could only stand on its own by being a western puppet state and that is a legitimate existential threat to Russia's existence.
@@Alejandro-te2nt not just Russia. Ukrainian territory was in the middle of islamic, catholic and orthodox civilisations. It is "The Edge". People living in these conditions through the centuries developed unique identity, culture and had a distinctly different language from the neighbouring peoples. And considering that Rus civilisation was born in Ukraine, it is not Texas, it is the original colonies being taken over by French-speaking mix of Europeans and Natives (remember that Moscow dominance started in the times of Golden Horde).
Why not cover the leadership of those “republics”. Who they are and where they come from. The degree of Russia’s control becomes a lot more apparent if you do that.
exactly, the started with russian gru/fsb agents Borodai in Donetsk, Strelkov in Sloviansk. fake separatism started artificialyy by men from russia.
First of all that would require doing actual research and not copying Wikipedia pages. Second of all why would you want to learn about any figures involved from an obviously biased and poorly resourced source.
@@Ted-Stryker everything is already researched. All information is public.
@@Ted-Stryker Putin's Puppets agree... now go back into your master's closet. Bandits and Mafia. Federation Starship "Interference "?
Yup
The Welsh build Donetsk with the help of the Russians weird bit of history
holy shit I just looked it up and you're right some cool info that ill definitely use as small talk at house party's
Really?
@@manbearpig7521 yes its real just like you are Man-Bear-Pig
Hey Hilbert. I grew up in Donetsk myself, and I am happy to see that you've done a pretty good summarization of things. There are a few gaps/curios which come to mind from my memory and own knowledge, so I'm going to list them here.
1. The Russian Imperial census has a flaw which you almost pointed out when you have talked about Russian as lingua franca. It basically conflates language and ethnicity, therefore it's not a reliable source, but it's the best we have. This applies to both people identifying themselves as Ukrainians or Russians in that census, so the lines between the two at the time are quite blurry. The different interpretation of this flaw is used by both the Ukrainian nationalists and people supporting the notion of Russians and Ukrainians being "one people" as a talking point.
2. DPR is particular is based on the concept of Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Soviet Republic - a bolshevik worker's proto state, one of the minor factions existing during the Russian Civil Wars. Chairman Artyom is a bit of a cult figure in local history (though, of course, things are changing now).
3. Before DPR came to be a separatist republic, some leaders of DPR were acting in the open in Ukraine as some kind of fringe organization (using the same flag, coat of arms etc). I don't think anyone took them seriously, as silly organizations with nebulous goals and unclear functionality are a reality staple for Ukrainian society in the 90s-early 2000s.
4. While Yanukovich was initially supported by the local population of Donbas, they quickly became disillusioned after his presidency started, since in order to avoid upsetting parts of a country that looked to him unfavorably he instead cannibalized his support base to raise money and influence, and later elevate his son to the oligarch status.
Also, a sidenote - before his presidency Yanukovich was not, in fact, considered to be an oligarch himself, you can even see it in his bio - he was serving the interests of oligarchs being a career politician and a governor of Donetsk Oblast, in particular many tied him to Rinat Akhmetov (who is a top dog when you are talking about oligarchs and Ukraine and is a de-facto most powerful figure in Donbas Clan). He was a wealthy man, but he wasn't oligarch-tier rich.
5. The story of Donetsk becoming an administrative center of DPR deserves a bit more detail IMO. Initially, the protesters did not have enough influence or weapons to establish complete control, in the early stages of insurrection it was a bit of a tug-of-war between local police and insurrectionists. The decisive event was the escape of Igor Girkin and his armored column from Slovyansk (which was the town where DPR had been declared to come into existence) which have given DPR supporters enough of an edge to act boldly.
In addition, during the 2014 Maidan protests, many pro-Ukrainian people from Donetsk actually went to Kyiv to support the anti-Yanukovich protests there (in particular, ultras of Football Club Shakhtar, owned by same Rinat Akhmetov, stand out to me the most), leaving the pro-Ukrainian movement in Donetsk to be helpless against thugs with police largely behaving indifferently. This has basically sealed the fate of Donetsk down the line, creating an atmosphere where only one point of view was socially acceptable.
6. Again with the influence of Rinat Akhmetov - after DPR was established and security checkpoints were set up, DPR authorities had prohibited all goods to come from Ukrainian territory, even humanitarian aid, which is not surprising given their ties to Russia and militant attitude toward Ukraine. However, an exception was made with Rinat Akhmetov's foundation humanitarian cargo and his assets in Donetsk were untouched (not seized like many other assets belonging to other oligarchs). This suggests he had some kind of deal with DPR, or at least, had enough influence in the region even after DPR came into power. This, however, ended in March 2017 for undisclosed reasons.
7. DPR and LPR have done a lot of actions that do not paint them in "freedom fighter" colors. In particular, the desire for control over comms and information stands out. Out of three cell service operators, only one was permitted to function (Vodafone), some suggest because their assets were previously owned by Russian MTS. And even then, cell tower techs attempting to repair the towers were given a hostile welcome, sometimes being shot. Ukrainian TV channel broadcasts are straight-up banned. ISPs attempt to block popular Ukrainian media sites.
The other major factor for the local population is the manner in which DPR and LPR control their security checkpoints near the frontline - the rules are perceived to be as arbitrary. There are strange changes in allowed or banned goods (even for personal use), which in particular concerns foodstuffs and meds. During the COVID pandemic, the checkpoints on the separatist side were closed to almost everyone and have never been opened since. It's an open secret that people had to travel to/from Ukraine through Russia which would make it a 30-hour car ride.
8. Both DPR and LPR over the course of their existence had a number of suspicious incidents involving deaths of their field commanders and officials. Leader of DPR Alexander Zakharchenko was assassinated, and leader of LPR Igor Plotnitsky was impeached as a result of coup d'etat.
9. It should be mentioned that DPR (I suspect LPR too) is not a pro-Yanukovich organization (or rather it has departed from that position over the course of its existence). The vestiges of Yanukovich's Party of Regions (now reformed into Opposition Bloc) are not accepted as "True Donbas Citizens" unless they renounce Ukraine altogether (like Oleg Tsaryov did). This extends even to loud Russian supporters in Ukraine like MP Ilya Kyva, who had recently fled Ukraine but at the same time, one of DPR field commanders Igor Bezler had requested arrest and trial of Kyva given the fact that he was formerly a policeman involved in anti-separatist action back in 2014. DPR has also burned bridges with almost the entire local oligarchy class who are suspected to fund their pre-war activities to further their own political goals and have switched to Russian benefactors since.
10. While the violence toward Ukrainian speakers in pre-war times is a stereotype, in urban areas of Donbas Ukrainian speakers would be met with some hostility. It wouldn't escalate to violence, but nevertheless, I wouldn't say the stereotype is entirely incorrect. For example, a common sight in Central Ukraine of a dialogue where one party says things in Russian and other - in Ukrainian and they understand each other and keep talking like that to the end, would simply be unthinkable in Donetsk for the most part.
Sure as hell may not just be a stereotype in the present day though.
@Анастасия Борисова ...how is this relevant to this specific topic though?
@thecazigan28 that's understandable, many post-2014 on-site sources have a strong Russian bias because of obvious personal security risk for the ones providing pro-Ukrainian viewpoint on camera. And the pre-2014 it wasn't a hotspot of activity, which in turn explains lack of sources in English.
@@Evilprimarch are there any reliable sources that could confirm anything from your comment though? I'm from South America, and you'd be both surprised and disgusted at how many hispanic people supports Russia and its actions, taking for granted their version of the chains of events since 2014.
@@arnaldotablante1302 I would struggle to find any decent sources in English. My comment is basically a complication of both personal experience and social media chatter.
If someone really would like to dig up skeletons in the closet, the Russian social network VK would be a great place to start. It is somewhat lax on moderation, so if you can scale posts on specific pages back at 2014 (or before, if you want), you might get a glimpse of what it was. It's structured a bit differently from facebook though, so getting used to interface will take some time.
As for wider historical context, I think Karapanov Brothers YT channel "імені Т.Г. Шевченка" is easily digestible, but again, it is in Ukrainian, watching it with machine translation would probably be a struggle still.
Honestly, I am not surprised at South American reaction, I even can understand it to some extent given the history of the destructive involvement of US. It understandably nudges people to support anything that is aimed against USA, regardless of how monstrous and unethical it is.
Most of those comms were state propaganda as well,everybody knows very well the ukranian corrupt government,not to mention that there is no report of repairers getting shot.
Man,keep that propaganda low
Wow! I am old enough to remember Donbas separatists from the early 90s. In my country everyone thinks that these guys were invented by Putin in 2014 though. Whenever i say this movememt dates back to early 90s they say i must be Russian to say that. I am so surprised that a westener presented the true story about the region. Fun fact, a friend od mine from Donbas told me she had been convinced they are russians living in Russia till she went to school and had geography classes, she was so surprised.
Surely I'm too young but I remember something similar from our school history lessons. Naturally such movements were often inspired and supported by Russian agents.
Well, until 91 they were citizens of the USSR living in the USSR. So her parents probably passed that impression on to her even after Ukraine became independent. What year did your friend start school?
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 well past the end of USSR, mid 2000s i guess. As for me, my parents worked in USSR, i was brought up with soviet toys and children books etc., when starting school i was quite surprised we use latin alphabet.
@@easterneurope451 Where did you grow up? I had assumed you were Ukrainian but Ukrainian is written with the Cyrillic alphabet.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Poland then we moved to Czechoslovakia (todays Slovakia, this is crazy, when i was born Poland had 3 neighboring countries, now 7!). I recall a Polish public TV broadcast (mid 90s) about people living in Donbas, they were burning their Ukrainian passports and public institutions personnel refusing to speak Ukrainian, these guys were shouting they considered themselves to be Russian and that they wanted to separate from Ukraine. Fastforward 30 years and the same tv says Donbas separatists did not exist before 2014. The guy on TV pronounces Kharkov and Chechnya wrong (my Polish is not perfect but i would still pronounce these words correctly, the guy is 30 and apparently he doesnt know what Chechnya or Kharkov is), confuses dates etc. It feels so weird to watch it, you typically expect journalists to know more or less what they are taking about. Even these days when every national tv broadcasts mainly propaganda because of the war i STILL find it shameful when TV people do not know basic facts. This is why i find this video so nice, the author did more research than our public TV.
Thanks for making this channel! You make complicated situations a little less complicated.
you can check the chanel "сфилином" the video calls " What you don't know about the war in Ukraine" it shows another side of the medal
2:42 Just one mistake, the Holodomor happen in 1932 to 1933 not 1922. No problem though because your Ukraine series is still awesome.
@@Ted-Stryker what?
It's not a mistake, there were few Holodomors. In 1922, 1933, 1939, 1944
@@Sigma_Freud I did a google, and there is nothing mentioned of a Holodomor in 1922. There was a big famine from 1921-1923, but it's nowhere referred to as a "Holodomor". Maybe it isn't recognized as such yet. Would love to read more into it.
@@noone-pl2gj He regularly gets stuff wrong, not just on the Ukrainian subject but on everything else, Its always funny watching the comment section correcting each mistake, that being said the videos are still informative even if they aren't always 100% accurate. This is why people shouldn't get their info from just one source, but from many and then make up their own mind.
@@just.donutssss I don't know was it called holodomor, but many peopel refer to this as one
Who are the Pro-Russian Separatists of Ukraine? (Donetsk and Luhansk)
The answer is ridiculously simple - they are Russians.
No, the commander of Vostok is a literal SBU defector, so were the leaders of the LNR and DNR and most of the other brigades like 404 Ghost, Mosgovoy and Givi.
I don't know how the situation with Crimea, LNR and DNR but the rest of Ukraine is now unified more than ever, thanks to the Russian invasion.
Bruh, the Ukrainian defences were so weak outside the borders the Russians just punched in they could have advanced more but over extended their supply networks which made easy for the Ukrainian soldiers to wreak havoc on russian supply networks, russian have improved thier networks and are now destroying aircraft maintenance engineering facilities in Ukraine instead of taking a down the aircraft itself because a aircraft always needs maintenance and repair after one flight and Russia wants take advantage of this to gain air control in Ukraine, speaking from a military perspective
@@glocksmith226 I don’t think he said anything about their defenses, he’s talking about the unity of the Ukrainian people. I’d actually read the comment you’re responding to before just saying whatever you apparently feel the need to say
@@drewstanley7606 oh yeah from that perspective they are definitely united on that, there are many russian speaking Ukrainiansbut even though they have this Russian heritage with them they still want to support Ukraine, russians are having a lot of riestance inside Ukraine and outside Ukraine, but they are using the tactics how they did in Syria to counter riestance and its working but Russians still have a lot to go through to achieve a victory, but Ukrainians can keep up a stiff resistance but I am worried about them since now Russians are hiring soldiers from chenchya and Syria both of these places have a lot of experience countering riestance, so Ukrainians also have to change their tactics liked how Russians did.
@@glocksmith226 *Ukrainian defenses wereso weak*
> *Russia has yet to achirve air superiority*
@@drewstanley7606 sorry big man
They should've just given this region to Russia in the 90s, as the people wanted.
That was excellent! I came here because the BBC, CNN, DW et al just don’t provide this sort of detail. Bravo!
The BBC have covered most of this.
@@jonhelmer8591 no they most certainly have not.
Best explanation I've seen so far, and I live in Ukraine.
I'm glad you're making these videos young man.
Thank you! I'm from that east part of Ukraine. You're pretty accurate and objective.
all the countries that recognize the Donetsk PR and Luhansk PR independence
1.The Republic of Belarus
2.Central African Republic
3.Kyrgyzstan
4.Nicaragua
5.Sudan
6.Syria
7.Venezuela
and we can't forget the big bad
8. Russia
And all of them somehow not democratic and under russia control
Interesting how every single one of these countries is also ruled by dictators 🤔
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Hah..So the american method?
Officialy almost nobody recognizes Taiwan either, so... you know what to do
syria and Venezuela both suffer from USA aggression, how about Serbia does they recognize donbase ?
I know that they support Russia interesting why ? (cough Yugoslavia)
Why all them connected with USA it makes no sense USA always doing good stuff always invade only dictatorship countrys and alwas without civilians casualtys oh and also these have good times after USA millitary operations and they alwas legal and it's lie that they asasinate socialistic politics in south America even if they democratically elected isn't it ?
It is a shame that you have to make a disclaimer when your information is so clearly meant to instruct, not to influence anyone to take sides. It is also a shame that the news media in America today seems incapable of providing straightforward material like this, rather than just trying to convince us that their side is right, and the other side is evil.
Russia is the bad guy here. I know you won't engage in the conversation from now on and act exclusionary. And take a gander at Hilbert's profile pic. He sure is part of the evil American propaganda machine.
@@russki_dabb872 Fascinating you know so much about me from my comment. Especially since I didn't say anything which could reasonably be read to reveal my opinion about current events. You must be a wizard. Or delusional. Or maybe just a guy with a huge chip on his shoulder.
I feel like you're projecting a little
@@chaosXP3RT How am I projecting?
@@bjs301 Because you are pretending to be descriptive when are you clearly trying to convince people by implying "History with Hilbert is a smart guy. Why does everyone keep on siding with the West? My facts are just convenient enough to be Russian propaganda." In simpler terms, you are basically misusing the material to push for Russian propaganda which is very common strategy for pseudo-intellectuals to do. Additionally, pretending to be descriptive.
I'm a russian-speaking guy from Kharkiv(ua), and I'm very thankful for collecting money for our refugees. Many of my friends left their house at least half of them now don't have a place where to live (the house has been destroyed/occupied). I was in Kharkiv and I saw by my eyes how missiles are falling on civilians' buildings.
@Geba no they aren't, cmon man they are just houses
@Geba go back to watching fox
@Geba it is down playing an american coup attempt in jan 6
@Geba it was a coup attempt started by a salty president who lost an election and executed by bumbling racists :)
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This is exactly what I was looking for thank you
Thank you very much . Very nice to have a basic intro. Many things are new to me.
I think it would be more accurate to speak about german factories in occupied Poland than about polish factories working for axis.
It's good to see a non-polarised assessment of the situation. Thanks, Hilbert!
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it is interesting if you find a '"non polarised assesment" of Germany and Sudets, then Austria, then Chechs then Poland. FOR FRACK SAKE you deal with rhe attempted revivival of the 4th reich...I talk to you from the futur, 1 year of your illadvised post, after the mad Vladolf Putler nearly distroyed Ukraine, after he infiltrated with green en Crimeea and Donbass. Still interested in "unbiased", bothsides approach ?? geez
Novorossija do not have nothing with soviet time tradition. It belongs to Potemkin time tradition and describes territory that Russian Empire got from Osman Empire during reign of Kathrine the Great ( exclude Moldavia) .
Surprisingly good summary (saying it as a Russian-speaking, Donetsk-born person), thank you.
A few more important points to establish context:
1) Events in the East in 2014 started after the Russian takeover of Crimea. In separatist eyes, Donbass, Kharkiv, Odessa, Crimea are all parts of so-called "Russian world", so events happening there are important to understand context.
2) Violence in the Donbass was incited by Russia and started by Russian assets (Strelkov team that came to Sloviansk from Crimea). If not for the Russia involvement - there would be no DPR/LPR today, it would've ended like Kharkiv.
No it didn't the event started in December 2013 and early 2014 Crimea referendum happened in late 2014 after the maiden coup that killed alot of civilians
"Referendum" lol. It's so easy to identify Russian bots nowadays.
And the violence in donbass started with the coup the region didn't recognise zelensky as president and broke away the president ordered a military assault on the region after absorbing nazis into the military ranks. They had no mercy using war birds and tanks to attack civilians in eastern Ukraine all of this is documented on video why are you lying?? And donbass has Russian speaking Ukrainians they are born in Ukraine most likely all Ukraine is tartar the largest ethnic group in Russia. Ukrainian soldiers that was captured has been visiting the families they were shelling begging for forgiveness they all claim to be following orders why were they given orders to shell civilians? And yes soldiers left Ukraine more than 50000 deserters so you know that means command has a problem. I don't know why he keeps making these propaganda videos that's just wrong and clearly fanning the hate flame towards Russia by distorting history.
Buddy, I was born and lived in Donetsk up until 2013, so please stop with bullshit. It's obvious you've never been to Ukraine and know of it only from TV. Otherwise you would've known that Zelensky became President in 2019, which is tad later than 2013.
@@marshalljulie3676 You're literally just parroting Russian propaganda word for word. If I were you, I'd seriously reconsider my news sources if I had noticed that my talking points perfectly match the propaganda of a warmongering paranoid child killing dictator hell-bent on reliving the glory days of the USSR, but with less ideology and more corruption.
In 1922, Ukraine joined the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics without Kharkov, without Kherson, without Odessa and Donetsk, without Lugansk, and, of course, without Crimea.
excellent work, thank you for the informative video
Thanks. An impartial explanation of the situation in Eastern Ukraine and the Donbass in particular.
You can check the chanel "сфилином" the video calls " What you don't know about the war in Ukraine" it shows another side of the medal, this video shows more about Donbass tragedy
I heard people in Donbass started out with peaceful protest until they were met with Ukraine's security and then they became a militia fighting for independence
Then you heard wrong my friend. They were always Russian funded terror group who were promised power in exchange for rebelling against their own people.
@@exilestudios9546 Thats wrong, you can find a lot of videos where people were protesting and got shot.
@@glebb..3416 Yeah those videos are of the pro EU protestors getting shot and killed on the order of Ukraines pro Putin president, a president who later fled the country and currently lives in russia. The pro Russian side likes to doctor that footage to make it seem like they are the victims of some kind of oppression but they are the aggressors.
@@exilestudios9546 That pro EU protesters were shot is true too. Yet there is an other side of people from Donbass protesting and being shot, like I said you can find plenty of footage too. Its not black and white.
Well, you can check channel "cфилином" the video calls "What you don't know about the war in Ukraine". Its in English and shows another side of the medal. This video shows more about Donbass tragedy
Hey- do you have a source list? Want to share but I'd like to share sources as well :) appreciate your work!
Definitely -- citation needed
They have no source; only pro-ukranian propaganda.
Maybe Google can help you, try "Barbarossa-2 plan. French Ministry of the Interior, General Yvan Blot "
The video was semi-decent before around 11 minutes when he said that DLNR use Stalin's constitution and started to describe the regular tax as extortion and concentrated camps for political dissidents, with not a single word about government sanctioned directed Right Sector suppression of peaceful protesters in Eastern Ukraine a moment earlier, suppression of misaligned politics, free speech and harassment of non Ukrainian ethnicities in Ukraine in general. The sources are likely the western mainstream media.
One time these history RUclipsrs would always leave sources in the description but they stopped for some reason
Region was well of during times of Soviet Union because coal and steel were state sponsored. Their price was artificially low but whole industry was funded by government in return. Same situation was going on for some time in Ukraine too. Central government was burning Western credits to keep industry and region afloat while oligarchs were making billions on selling steel to West. Anyway, a lot of that pro Russia sentiment is misguided, because in reality it was a nostalgia for good old Soviet Union times, when both coal miners and steel makers were making as twice more than average worker in other manufacturing jobs. Local oligarchical elits couldn't solve region's economical issues, because that would cut in to their profits and instead decided to keep themselves in power by promoting regional separatism and pro-Russian rhetorics, while becoming Forbs' list billionaires. It is kinda of ironic to see how their manufacturing facilities are being destroyed by Russia on behalf of which they actually actively worked. Tool is very often suffering half of the abuse when it is being used by abuser against victim.
Truth to be told the region was already not doing so well in 70s and 80s already for several reasons. First of all USSR was not doing so good in general. Second by that time Natural gas from Siberia became cheaper option in comparison to the coal as fuel and coal itself became more expensive to mine because upper layers of it has been exhausted and it needed to be mined from deeper layers which would drive it's cost up.
Usage of coal for heating would be heavily subsidized and usage of coal for steel production would be also heavily subsidized, at the same time role and importance of steel production in the economy was dropping. That region had it's coming long way before fall of Soviet Union and criminals turn oligarchs taken over it, which later were using it's majority Russian speaking and Russia sympathetic feelings in its struggles for power with central government in Kyiv. In reality that was not USSR specific issue, England had similar economical problems with its own coal mines and US steel manufacturing were in decline or getting there. On the other hand regions' steel manufacturing was heavily dependent on cheap gas from Russia and Russia was probably buying half of its metallurgical products. Gas pipes for example before they started to make in Russia. At some point Russia has started to use gas prices as economical weapon against Ukraine and central government could not longer subsides cost of natural gas to support them, so caring favor for Russia in exchange for dropping gas prices for them and lowering import tariffs for metallurgical products in exchange sounded like a very good idea at some point of time.
Yes, I really appreciate these Ukraine videos. Thank you
I don’t know why but I’ve been fascinated with these republics since 2014 and this helped shed more light on them.
Puppets of Russia and half are too stupid to realize it.
@@TheSteveRobinson Just like half of Europe is US and NATO puppets? lol
@@TheSteveRobinson ok neonazi
@@Pakicetus_ Da, Kremlin stooge.
@@marcuseliasson5095 Wonder why Sweden (traditionally neutral) and Finland want to join? Russia is a far greater threat to them than NATO.
Thank You Hilbert for covering the situation in the Donbass in what I think seems an impartial manner. As you said it is a complex issue and the tendency of many to over-simplify and/or dismiss out of hand the nuances of any situation can only hinder reaching a meaningful resolution, cheers.
Hello. I, as a resident of Donbass, can tell you in detail about the situation that has been going on for the past 8 years.
@@liseycuthbert2711 Was there anything in this clip that you would disagree with? Or think could have been portrayed/presented in a more accurate way (well, considering the length of the clip)? Cheers for the offer.
That's actually not bad at all.
One thing I have to note. The term "Novorossiya" is not actually from Soviet period, it is from XVIII century. When these lands became a part of Russian Empire as a result of wars with Ottomans (Turks).
Thank you very much for the insights.
So when spec ops "volunteer" from amerika it's ok when anyone else does it it's bad. Big ups the DPR
Holodomor was during the winter of 1932-1933, you probably did a typo there by saying 1922.
The video should've been a single sentence: people who captured Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk administration buildings were Russian citizens. It was admitted by their leader and other sources.
Yeah... it's called dual citizenship. Pretty freakin common dude. Lot of Russian ethnic and Russian passport holders
no. they didn't have dual citizenship, not Girkin nor Borodai. fsb/gru agents
you're ukrainian so ur definitely biased
Excellent video on a sensitive subject . Thank you
I lived in Luhansk in 2014. I clearly remember, that most of the population learned that they decided to be independant after somebody voted for independance. It was too fast for most people to react. Moreover, most people did not even take it seriously and just lived their own life.
It is stated that 96,2 % voted 'for", 3,8% voted against and 75% came to vote. Whereas 35% attendance had always been usual for presedential elections and even less for any other type of elections. People who grew in USSR did not believe that elections could do anything, so nobody even bothered ever voting. Personally I know only 2 people (highly toxic and very idiotic) among all people I know who really attended that referendum.
Yeah 75% of Luhansk attended, and 97% of them were Ukrainian. and out of the remaining 25% (which by itself isnt the majority) dyou reallt believe all of them were russian? lets be realistic, if im being genrous then only 80% are Ukrainian, If Im being realistic tho its more like 90%+. So whats your point? the elections shouldnt because no one took it serious? How are you the one to judge that lmao. Your just a good little brainwashed kremlin cannon fodder slave.
RUclips tried censuring a documentary by French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel (her official media accounts were also all sealed), but the film still exists on the internet and I encourage everyone to take a look at her "Donbass" film - it is a harrowing tale of what it was really like living in the Donbass for the past eight years
Erm...Are sure that you being honest that the documentary is not like a very trippy, grainy, off-putting Serbian like flashy images with a deep Slavic man's voice acting like it was so harrowing that even Satan is in disgust?
@@russki_dabb872 you now it is true, troll. And the original film with French subtitles shows clearly that it is Donbas as people say about their life in Donbass.
Well, you can check chanel "cфилином" the video calls "What you don't know about the war in Ukraine". Its in English and shows another side of the medal. This video shows more about Donbass tragedy
That's why russian army had to help them by leveling the cities and causing the worst refugees crisis in Europe since WW2. Sort of like in Southpark they were saving animals from starvation by flamethrower-ing them.
@@bakhtiyoga108 Are there many instances in other parts of the world where countries did not need secession as it is not necessary but they suffering something similar?
I think this geopolitical tug of war started way back in 2004 or before..
Maybe next time go into depth on the leading characters: Yanukovic/Poroshenko, Timoshenko/Yuchenko…got a funny feeling they are all oligarchy albeit rivals🤨
And as always, well balanced piece of history👌
Cheers🇳🇱
yeah but you know how propaganda works pro Russian oligarch = bad but pro EU oligarch = good
@@DelijeSerbia Accurate asf 🤣🤣
@@DelijeSerbia well thats up to "us" viewers to decide what is what in the end. Some of us dont like to get fooled you know.
I believe Hilbert is levelheaded enough to do it. For example Cnn could never do it because of political backblast and lets face it: they are a tool for whoever is in power. (And pays them enough "contribution")
Cheers🇳🇱
The vid is missing to highlight the fact, that the Separatists are after all Ukrainians - not Russians, holding Ukrainian passport and having Ukrainians rights. Given this fact, it must be clear, that since 2014, this war has not been a war between Ukrainians and Russians, but has always been a bloody civilian war, where Kiev-lead-Ukrainians have invaded the region for killing their Ukrainian peers, who are just defending their own region, culture, independence and language on and for their OWN ground. The fact, that the Ukrainians in Donbass - the so-called "Separatists" is the only party in this conflict, that is fighting on and for their own territory, is seldom mentioned in Western media. When the obvious fact would finally sink in, that Kiev has been perma-attacking its own citizens for 10+ years now, the Western narrative would get a different twist, that would lead to more realistic discussions, which again could lead to more realistic peace talks.
The sweet-spot towards peace is to finally bring the very own interests of the Donbass-Ukrainians (not Russians) to center stage for primary media coverage. Understanding the Donbass UKRAINIANS is key. Reality - however - shows, that the Donbass people are not covered in Western media. This vid helps to change this. History and the more intelligent folks among us say thank you for this!
That's not how you say Kyiv in any language I'm pretty sure.
Thanks, this was highly informative. I now understand a bit more about the sad situation in Ukraine.
Please make video about topics you not just read some sources, but also understand. Forget the word "separatism" in case of Donbass. Almost all "separatists" and their leaders were from russia. Hows that separatists. Look at the photos of protesters in Kharkiv, threre's faces from russia like a.k. "Motorola". Some russian groups acting separatists. There were no separatists movement in Donbass like in Scotland or Catalonia. It just popped out of nowhere with some guys from russia linked to FSB, and you spread this BS.
Very nicely presented. No mention of the MInsk agreement? Was it insignificant?
In December 2021, Chief of General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov said that "Kyiv is not fulfilling the Minsk Agreements. The Ukrainian armed forces are touting that they have started to employ US-supplied Javelin anti-tank missile systems in Donbas and are also using Turkish reconnaissance/strike drones. As a result, the already tense situation in the east of that country is further deteriorating."[110]
Angela Merkel said in 2022 that the minsk agreement had been "an attempt to give Ukraine time" and that Ukraine used it to strengthen its armed forces.
Many countries in Europe have ethnic or regional populations that want more political autonomy. It takes prolonged political campaigning, positive public opinion, good will, and most of all, decades to bring about constitutional changes. I understand people wanting to bring about positive changes for the good of their families and futures, but war achieves the exact opposite of this. It sets back dialogue, creates decades of grievances and entrenches oppositions.
Anyone interested should have a look at the raw footage documentary "Roses Have Thorns." It shows what went on during Euromaiden and knowing this explains a lot about the conflict today.
I found this to be true when I first did my own investigations into why Russia would do this. I looked into the conflict in August 2014 between the rebels and the Ukrainian forces and back then it was a bloody conflict that was the prelude to what is transpiring now in Ukraine. Look further into the matter of the two regions, the Ukrainians will never give up this region and so a long protracted war is seen to be the future.
you can check the chanel "сфилином" the video calls " What you don't know about the war in Ukraine" it shows another side of the medal, this video shows more about Donbass tragedy
I am from Ukraine, I was watching this war for years now. Living in USA for 22 years.
I thought of dozens of scenarios, and what I realized is that you cannot make an agreement with Russia. Russia will always try to take everything. It's not interested in Donbass and Lugansk only, if Ukraine will give that up, then Russia will try to take Nikolaev, Kherson, and Odessa. Kherson is under their control currently, and most of the South regions, but Nikolaev is where the line is drawn.
I hope Ukraine retains ALL of its' territories. Crimea is too pro-Russian imo to be Ukrainian at this point, and Russia can have it, even though it took it by force.
But Lugansk and Donbass has been 50/50 on Ukraine/Russia all these years.
The problem is always corruption, and Russia has more corruption of Ukraine.
Hence why Ukraine doesn't need Russia in their territories. It needs to deal with its' own regions, and regions need to force for anti-corruption.
Not splitting off and joining corrupt Russia.
I am of Russian descent, and I am against Russia at this point. I used to think it will be peaceful in Ukraine one day, and I thought one day Russia and Ukraine will be friends. Well...I don't think so now.
The hatred between the 2 will continue for next 100+ years, and rightfully so.
I wish Ukraine the best, but I can't say the same for Russia. They deserve economic retribution for their passiveness and/or support of this war in Ukraine.
They are guilty for inciting war in Lugansk and Donbass, by providing arms to separatists in those regions, pitting them against Ukrainians.
8 years of that + huge war now.
Russia is guilty, and it needs to pay the price, one way or another.
Too many Ukrainians died for Russian imperialist ideas.
My love is with Ukraine.
Russia lost me.
Love to Ukraine! 🔰
@fjejdhdnwhjfifjeheyd I'm not a serb, but I'd rephrase the last part - nobody likes to be plundered by oligarchs, but rather deal with them yourselves, without any interference from those across the ocean
@@righteousone8454The huge majority of people in the Dombas are pro-russian. If Ukraine retakes it, it will not respect the will of the people living here. But in Ukraine no one asks anyone for their opinion
Thank you thank you thank you for such great information
Thanks for the heads up
Very helpful video! I think a lot about this conflict, since I myself was born and live in Russia, and in schools here they propagate the correctness of Russia, of course. My grandfather is from Ukraine and supports Ukraine and I decided to find out more. Thank you for your content. If someone who has lost the peaceful sky above reads my comment, I send you my support🙏🏻
As an American I'd like to say thank you for being a person of Goodwill. I realize the issue of Ukraine is complex but I still support the community because I would rather live under a liberal Democratic Republic myself even though I think it's kind of ridiculous that my country is teaching people about democracy. I don't think there's anything heroic or romantic about war I think it's a mixture of boredom terror and waste.
First mistake of Kiev is removing Yanukovich... Second mistake was removing Russian language from Kiev's consitution and asking all schools and official buildings to only speak Ukrainian.. how can you force people whose generations are Russians to speak Ukrainian??? so, they decided to separate from Kiev... its simple common sense
@@TsarOfRuss russian was imposed throughout the muskcovy empire, it was a reflex to get rid of one tool of subjugation. It was imposed to llearn even in eastern europe vassal states. So I disagree. In Romania we did get rid of russian that siphoned all our ressources. Ukraine wanted a better life too, as all our ex soviet states, now in EU, but as an abusive ex-husband russians wanted their lost empire back. Need more lessons Igor ?
Novorussiya was supposed to include all of eastern & southern ukraine, but after a clear lack of support from the local population the kremlin had to abandon that idea.
It's a very cool video ! Could you post the sources you used?
Another excellent explainer, thank you
Do who is the Right Sector next? Very interesting and then who is the Governor of Odessa.
Hilbert could you possibly do a vid on the azov battalion, their involvement in the 2014 annexation, and their integration into the Ukrainian national army?
He already did a video of them recently
ruclips.net/video/cuBeABAprlo/видео.html
He knows about Azov he doesn't need a video. Hes one of those...
He did
ruclips.net/video/cuBeABAprlo/видео.html
It was mostly Right Sector actually. That's the largest of the national socialist groups in Ukraine. Right Sector has been funded and armed by the US since at least 2014 when the Obama administration was over there sparking revolution.
@@zulubeatz1 he made it already all your comments are a pro Russian bull
Why is the speaker pronouncing Kyiv Que? Honest question here. I thought Russians called it Key-ev and Ukrainian spelling changed it to Keev (pron not sp).
1. The Orange Revolution took place not only in western Ukraine, but also in the central-northern part with the center in Kyiv
2. The Orange Revolution did not require the creation of autonomy for the south-eastern regions of Ukraine
3. In Kharkiv in 2014, administrative buildings were seized by Russian agents and low-intelligence hooligans hired for money (). After their arrest, they were released by the then pro-Russian Kharkiv mayor. Later, the same hooligans seized administrative buildings in Donetsk and Luhansk under Russian command, including FSB agent Girkin-Strelkov.
you really glossed over the coup there didn't you? Yanukovych wasn't voted out that came after a coup. since Yanukovych was voted in by the people who would become the separatists down playing this event the keystone of the entire conflict shows you to be bias invalidating all of this work you put in. this subject should be a much larger part of the video why the maiden protest happened, who the protests were, what did they do , what happened to the political party of Yanukovych the party of regions(doesn't exist anymore).
The Luhansk People's Republic has now conquered all of Luhansk Oblast.
Congratulations to Lugansk for being liberated by Russian troops and LPR forces from the Euromaidan fascists! 🇨🇺❤📘🟦🟥
@@spaghettimon3851 It was coming, the Ukrainian forces retreated from the Luhansk Oblast now LPR has liberated all of its territory.
@@spaghettimon3851 Doentsk is next.
March 28th would you please do a video on who the actual leaders of each of these regions are because nobody is talking about them and their names are not even mentioned anywhere and this is important to find out who these two leaders are of these independent regions excellent report
Great video hilbert just one small thing could you not refer to nazi factories as polish factories as this implies that we were on the side of the axis which many polish people hate
@Chef movkta >a Russian talking about r-pe
Hey, and thanks for the video,
I like how you spread the information about Ukraine, and I thought if you will need any help with visuals and animation, I could help you for free,
As a person who is working professionally in video animation industry I believe that making better quality content will gain more viewers and attention to this topic, and that’s good for all of us here in Ukraine. So don’t hesitate to ask
My family is from Kharkiv and me and my friends all speak Russian. However, we don't consider ourselves Russian and we don't want to be with Russia, neither does the majority of Kharkiv or even other cities such as Kherson. Language doesn't necessarily create one nation, e.g: UK and US. Most Putin supporters claim that Ukraine suppressed the Russian language, which is completely false, since well, I'm still here lol. The only thing Ukraine did was make Ukrainian the official language of the government (which makes sense that in a country called Ukraine, government officials speak Ukrainian), Russian was and still is widely spoken across Ukraine without repression from Ukrainian authorities.
Ми Переможемо 🇺🇦
Well made, unbiased and very informative
While there are some things here that are debateable, one point that warrants correction though: the name "Novorossiya" doesnt have its origins in the Soviet Era, but rather, it goes back to Imperial Russia (circa Catherine the Great's reign)
Ukraine has shelled it for years, you missed that part!
EU have stirred this war up then
russia has been inciting and supporting this war for nine years. Europe, on the other hand, gives the resources to end it
@@JacobDrozh Imagine that in your country in which the entire political system, constitution, history (in which independence was obtained by blood and sweat for centuries) revolves around the word "freedom", which recently barely separated from the empire that exploited it for centuries, suddenly a man with a criminal past and stolen capital appears, gets into the president's chair due to brainwashing of the older generation to whom he promised everything as in the Soviet Union. As a result, he comes, capturing all the media, bending the constitution to himself, calling a famine (a national tragedy/genocide of Ukrainians by the Soviet authorities) a banal famine to curry favor with the country, which he does not owe anything to and which has recently kept your people in chains, but at the same time the economy is dying, infrastructure is falling apart and becoming similar to garbage in the fields, corruption is flourishing as never before, and the country itself lives at the expense of loans. Knowing all this you are sitting in January 2013 watching on TV the same "President" announcing that there will be no agreement with the European Union (in fact he wants to put the country into another union with those who have always wanted to destroy it and miss the only chance for the country to exist, as if he is the one who has the right to determine what will happen to the country) and at the same time you have two options: 1)Tolerate 2)Confront, knowing the backgrounder what will you choose?
This is all a rough picture of how most of the Maidan participants got there, and it was these people who overthrew Yanukovich's cabinet, not abstract Europe, it was the Ukrainians who had the most reason to do so
I came looking for this video because i knew it had to be a complicated explanation -- thanks. Still, i was hoping to find some indication of just how popular breakaway is in those regions, and i still dont feel like i know.
*Thanks for sharing informative video. Liked&Subcribed!!*
Funniest thing is that Kiev is older than Moscow and pretty much Russia itself.
yeah ...russia was created trough colonisation of eastern territories trough Russins(modern Ukrainians) for the most part
england is as well older than america...i know it is incredible
@Leo the Anglo-Eastasian They have been with Lithuanian-Poland commonwealth longer than modern Russia's relationship with Ukraine. It is its own country (Ukraine).
@Leo the Anglo-Eastasian its called and spelled kiev in english. its ukrainian name does matter, but does not supercede the english one (when speaking english of course).
@@L0dG that occupation in what is today west ukraine created all of the diferences the bolsheviks did use to create the ukrainian nation
@Press Z Google were Rus river is, zaluposos
While Donbas does have a right to autonomy, as agreed in Minsk agreements, let them vote but not for independence, but for autonomous regional governments that can decide more on taxes, economic development, use of the Rouble, etc.
To my knowledge ,the DPR and LPR were not at first supported directly by Russia ,only after the successful offensives of Ukraine in June/July 2014 ,Russia started pouring in troops in late August to stop the front from collapsing (If you watch videos of military operations and soldiers of DPR and LPR ,you can see the equipment get much more advanced and even see tanks and heavy artillery after this which they did not have before)
Everyone has WRIGHT TO EXIST.... LUGANSK REPUBLIC ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Dude, after all the topics, if we didn't think you were isis, Taliban, or AL Shabab or any of the other various terrorist organizations/evil doers you've covered, You know right from wrong. Definitely don't need that disclaimer. You bring people (often uninformed on the subjects[not me though. Lol) and present the topic factually and comprehensively in the shortest amount of time possible. You're doing the world a service man. Keep then coming.
Glory to the heroes! 🇺🇦
I remember you were a well known supporter of the Kāfir regime of Assad, but no the glory is to the heroes? Devils will always sell each other for a meagre price.
@Swid swid I'm 20% Ukranian and if my distant relatives there survived the horror that was the 20th century, I can't help but support them.
1:05 It was named after Donets river, not Don which is eastern. Hence this region is called Donets[+k] oblast
Речь о Донбассе, а не о Донецке.
@@user-vx5ny7cs8u Ну да, Донбасс от "Донецкий бассейн". Соответственно и область Донецкая.
Автор говорит, что название произошло от другой реки, Дон, что неверно.
@@literallynull Вы видели это видео?
ruclips.net/video/cq223PiDMyY/видео.html&lc=Ugw_oIrOXeYRuA5et854AaABAg.9ZvB-6HZ-6h9ZvEYVAE4sS&ab_channel=PowerIsInTheTruth
where is KEW located?
That was pretty much accurate, thank you. The couple things i would add/correct is that there was a huge amount of russification of the donbass region since ru empire times, euromaidan wasn't just a western Ukraine revolution, but mostly all Ukraine supported it(in Kharkiv, one of the biggest Lenin's monuments was dropped by it's citizens and the biggest square in Europe was full of citizens which supported it), and protests against euromaidan in eastern regions wouldn't be possible without russia's generous "help".
how did russins become ukrainians?
and why is that different to russins becoming russians
@@curocurovic6675 ukrainians never became anyone, we always were descendants of Rus'. And russians are the descendants of the Golden Horde.
@@MuscovitesNightmare ah yes ..a indententy made from people responsible for holodomor
i'm certain they want only the best for you
@@MuscovitesNightmare That is completely false, euromaidan ( the main protests ) were paid by the west, and this is not a speculation, it is proven that they were paid, a few millions of euros went into them, some of them did not even know how to speak russian/ukrainian ! Not only this but Euromaidan protests were not peaceful at all. As you said, they destroyed main statues, including Lenin which literally gave land to Ukrainians as a donation for friendship... Protests against Euromaidan were held in every corner of the country. Seeing in what direction Kiew went, the Crimeans ( majority are Russians at 70%, it always was Russian ) basically said "if that is your direction then we will make our own" so they acted fast, made a referendum and 95.5% voted to join Russian Federation. The Donbass area did not want that, they wanted more automony in the country as the most industrialized region but Ukrainian president Poroshenko ordered to attack the civilians together with Neonazis, especially the Azov Batallion that started off in Mariupol. The result was 15.000+ civilians died in the secret war in east ukraine. Why secret war? Because western ( or global ) media was not informing the public about it at all.
@@neonlight1214 well, looks like RT was banned worldwide for the reason. You are brainwashed by 100%, unfortunately.
Крым русский, и это надо признавать, а кстати домбас тоже.
Russian Volunteers * Holding AK-74 to the Face* " Sergej you want to volunteer for the Donetzk Armed Forces or?"
Chad DPR enjoyer: “Yes because Azov held my father in prison and murdered him.”
Какой нафик АК 74??????
@@daniilsavitskiy7502 Sorry AK-74M.... Which is still the Main Service Rifle of The 4th Reich or Nazis in Moscow
Provide clear unbiased evidence for your claim.
@@ericliu5491 Its a Joke since they were Russian Servicemen, that were sent there
can you make video about Budapest Memorandum
And about the Minsk agreements
what does Eoldermen mean?
it's almost the same with kosovo people migrate during the communist times and after democracy returns they want independence and they declare it but people are stupid and call donetsk and luhansk fake states while you recognize and protect kosovo Explain this
Exactly, fucking double standards of the west
? The intervention in Former Yugoslavia was not primarily to enforce separatism but to stop potential genocide and mass killings of not just Kosovars but also Croats and Bosniaks.The Ukrainian army at most shelled the luhansk and donetsk separatist,not close to the butchery in ex Yugoslavia
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 kosovo decelred independence later iam not talking about the bompings what i'm saying is that people acknowledge a fraud independent state and they hate on donetsk and luhansk even tho it's the same situation and who knows maybe the ukrainians did massacres in donbas we can't know for certain
Just FYI. Ukrainians never refer to themselves as Malorossy (Little Russians) in your version. Ukraine was referred as Malorossia by Russian Empire and it was just bad usage of Greek term for Ukraine, more of literal translation of it, which in reality was bad analogy for how Greek refered to Greece itself as Little Greece vs Grater Greece in reference to it's colonies including for example Ukrainian city of Odessa. Right now term is being actively used by Russian propaganda insinuating Donbas, Lugansk or anything else they can occupy or annex is not Ukraine but sometimes separate or belongings to Russia, which gave it brand new meaning.
Speaking of names. Donbas has a small city called New York. Based on that US can claim Donbas it long lost territory and demand it's return to it's rightfull owner USA.
You missed the key event. Armed uprisings didn't happen in the Eastern oblasts until after the "Odessa Trade Union Massacre". May 2, 2014.
Things I loved it, why the region is called Donbas, how and when separatist came up.
Clear and simple information, thanks.
If you want to dive into atmosphere of how life was and still is in those “republics” then you can read book by Stanislav Aseyev ( Ukrainian journalist from Donetsk) “In Isolation”. Stanislav lived in Donetsk until 2017 when he got kidnapped, arrested and spent 2 years in Isolation Prison (Modern concentration camp where people are tortured and killed). The best words which describe the situation there - lawless, depressive, ruled by thugs and criminals.
One man's "thugs" is another man's hero. In war there are atrocities committed by both sides. There is no clean war.
@@danielallan8061 interesting, can your statement be applied to prisoners of war, prisoners of concentration camps or gulag survivors who wrote their memories about experience living in inhuman conditions?
bullcrap. almost everything. greets from LPR
God bless Lugansk People's Republic! 🇨🇺❤📘🟦🟥⚙⭐🌾
I think you should've also mentiond Igor Girkin-Strelkov
Excellent.. thanks..
Reminds me of Ulster if it was in an alternate timeline where it had become part of the ROI. Very oversimplified of course, but it is a question people have about unification. It's possible to unify within the GFA if a majority vote for it, but because of the plantations there will always be a chunk of the population who are unhappy with the nation they are a part of. Is it ever possible in situations like that to leave everyone satisfied?
That's why we need to stay out of this war too complex what would uk have done if the Soviet union had gave weaponry to the IRA?
You didn’t mention who started the armed resistance in Donbas in 2014. It all started by Igor Girkin (Russian FSB officer) capturing a police station with a group of armed Russian soldiers (without insignia obviously). Then you didn’t mention the Russian regular force’s counteroffensive when most of the Donbas was liberated by Ukrainian army. Russia was launching artillery strikes from its border, a lot of armored vehicles entered into Ukraine with Russian soldiers inside. Only then, with Russian direct involvement the “DPR” and “LPR” became what they became
From the perspective of a Ukrainian both NATO and Russia have used Ukraine as a geopolitical staging ground for the past decade. This doesn't forgive Russia and obviously Ukraine needs NATO membership in my own opinion but why does Ukraine need Russia or NATO? Why is Ukraine a pawn for either side and now people are dying because politics on both sides?
It seems Russia forced Ukraine into NATO but what is the future of this conflict? How will this end or progress? Russia isn't losing like media wants you to think. Their military is occupied in roughly around a tenth of all land and they're only now staging, even around most major city now.
Humanity must bring Russia to justice for its crimes in Ukraine. Слава Україні!
@@ruskyalmond1977 *"but why does Ukraine need Russia or NATO? Why is Ukraine a pawn"*
Because the difference between geopolitics and sociodynamics in early/mid school years is shockingly small.
Either you are capable to stand your ground against the bully, or you will get bullied. Considering how big some bullies are, you're gonna need friends. Either a nation is a pawn, unimportant, or powerful enough to resist other forces trying to make it a pawn. It's shit, but it's just how the world currently (and for the last few thousands of years) has worked.
*"It seems Russia forced Ukraine into NATO"*
Putin has always been NATO's best recruiter.
*"but what is the future of this conflict? How will this end or progress?"*
While I wish for my European brothers and sisters to resist Putin's war and pull of a win, I'm doubtful it'll happen.
*"Russia isn't losing like media wants you to think."*
I fear they will win, Ukraine will become a new Afghanistan/Vietnam, and a new Cold War between Russia and the West will start.
*"Humanity must bring Russia to justice for its crimes in Ukraine. Слава Україні! "*
Easier said than done. Remember what I said about buillies?
This one has nukes. You can't "bring Putin to justice." What is needed is a good old assassination. Everything else will result in a war that makes this current one look like a kindergarden's field trip.
But my heart (and part of my wallet) beats for Ukraine, I wish those slavic badasses the best, whatever shape that will take.
Slava Ukraine!
@@ruskyalmond1977 Ukraine is a 'pawn' largly because of two factors. 1 - Her economy post soviet collapse was/is so weak from corruption that it needs outside assistence to stay afloat. 2 - Lack of a clear ideological unity of the population that would over-ride the desire for basic prosperity and force the leadership to do buisness with only one side. Together this made It a ready vassel state of the first power to offer it money. It's the same state that most post-colonial African was in and saw them openly asking East/West to bid for thier allegence durring the cold war. Putin and the EU had been peacfully fighting over Ukrain by throwing money at it for a decade prior to Yanukovich.
If Yanakovich had he been a skilled politician would have played Russia and EU against each other, getting gifts and benifits from both to help Ukrainian economy modernize and even be in advantageous position of trade between them, like a young maiden with rich male suitors. But his incompetence lead him to pick one side over the other, that was bad for Ukraine and got him thrown out by his own people, and it's likely that he would have had massive unrest if he had choosen to pick the other suitor and dump Russia instead of the EU.
This is why Zalenskky's anti-corruption campaign was so well recived, if Ukrain cleans house and ends corruption then it will no longer be dependent on outside patronage, giving it independence and leverage regardless of whom it allignes with or if it dose not alligne at all. Beinga economicaly dependent nation in the EU like Greece, might be better then being dependent in Russia's sphere such as Belarus, but to be self-sufficient like the Poland or the Baltics is even better.
@@kennethferland5579 as an ukrainian citizen, i can mention that the corruption problems and overall level of life has largely improved since 2014.The only major problem was the war at the east but now its way worse...
@@cy-one A little note for you. Discussion of Ukraine to join NATO dates back to 1991. In no way, shape or form did Russia threatened Ukraine at that time.
You forget that Ukraine is a poor country. Worse than Russia in that regard. To the point, where Ukraine stole gas from Russia pipelines. Ukraine did not tried to negotiate, did not asked to take gas in debt and pay for it later. Ukraine stole worth of 4.6bil$ of gas and denied allegations. Later admitted that indeed they stole gas, but refused to pay for it. Untill it was forced upon them after long court investigations.
And even then Russia just made new pipelines around Ukraine. Not enforcing sanctions on them. Neither did NATO for such blunt violation of contracts on international level.
So no suprise Ukraine wants to join rich European Union. But what benefits does europe get from taking care of poor Ukraine? Future investments? It will take a lot of time and finances to get afloat this country. You better off just buying cheap gas and farming products from Russia. Except for territorial advantage. Ukraine joins European Union. Europe helps Ukraine to put gas and oil productions. In return Ukraine supplies them with gas and oil as cheap or cheaper than Russia and Ukraine will join NATO.
NATO was originally created to be counter to USSR. USSR asked to join NATO and was denied. Russia under Putin asked to join NATO and was denied. And furthermore, despite Russia not showing agression (unlike NATO in middle east, destroying Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lybia) - USA placed their anti-ballistic missile systems in Poland. Directly threatening Russia's capabilty of defending it self with ballistic rockets. And now imagine having same systems in Ukraine?
You talking about bullies. But it is not Ukraine who is being bullied. When you trying to put a muzzle on a country - expect it to try and bite you. You may say it is for "defense", but defense from who? You cant point a gun at person, saying it's for "defense" and expect him to be fine with that.
And i'm not saying who is good and who is bad. Everyone acts in best of their respectful countries. You may say Russia started mass shooting on euromaidan, that Russia occuped and annexed Crimea, that Russia enslaved Donbass and Luhansk with soldiers. You may even be right. But you should also consider that USA may coup euromaidan, that Ukraine is making a genocide of russians on their territory, that there is a rise of neo-nazism. And this may be right as well.
But the more and more i hear the chanting of "Слава Україні! Героям Слава!" - the more it echoes back with "Hail Hitler!" Sieg Hail!"
Norman Brigade volunteers video please
Much appreciated :)
I would actually be interested in a video about the Crimean War
In short, Russian has big military port there for few hundred years probably. Current Ukraine government dont like Russia anymore and they wanted the port for themselves. Russia didnt like that, they need the port, so they just moved more units in and now it is Russian once more. Before all this, there was never issue, because Ukraine was Russia ally and before that it was all part of Soviet Union, so there was no issue either.
@@eth_saver я думаю просто дело в том что Крым был русским сотни лет и там 80% населения русские