It took me a while to get my Keeley dialed in, but it does a mean Jerry! I'd still love to get my paws on one of those original Beigel Mutrons. Thanks for sharing this demo and your licks are groovy as hell!
I like the way that both pedals (ans especially the Beigel) softens the attack of the notes, in addition to the filter. It seems there is an slow-volume or auto-volume too. I don't there is one but it sounds like this. And it makes it more synth-like :-) Terribly 70s, wow. Thanx for the demo.
Great demo. I have a Neutrino. My only issue (apparently common to many envelope filters) is the response on the high E. A note played on this string doesn't trigger the effect. I found putting a compressor upstream helped. Any other ideas?
+FeralPyg I got the neutrino and it is a very fickle pedal. I have never had a pedal so temperamental....a given setting only targets certain portions of the fretboard and favors certain pup selections, and that's kind of frustrating. When it's in the sweet spot, it is super sweet, but it's a narrow sweet spot. I'd like to know if the Tru-tron is equally tricky to dial in.
I diagree. While I haven't heard the WMD, I think the Neutrino captures the sound much better than the Tru-Tron 3X. Just my opinion. They both sound great, but the Neutrino sends shivers up my spine. Waiting for Sweetwater to restock. I really like Beigels' Octave divider though....
I have owned both pedals being displayed... as well as funkzillah,boss aw3 dod etc. As strange as it may seem ,my favorite is the mxr m82 bass envelope filter, I found that out by mistke.Its never overly shrill or any unwanted volume chages. I haven't heard anyone else who does that. I strongly suggest the next time you pass a 🎸 store plug one in.Any info on if mxr\or anyone who writes/says it works for bass and electric guitars that would be incredibly kind And appreciated.cheers
I've heard people complain that the MXR Bass Envelope Filter doesn't produce enough volume at the output; what has been your experience of/solution for this?
Great demo. The Tru-Tron wins hands down! I prefer my Tru-tron over my original Mu-tron. If you want that Jerry sound, gget it from the man who created it. Mike Beigel and Mu-Fx knocked it out of the park with this one!
I have the neutrino and I think it has a pretty narrow sweet spot (it's very sweet in that spot though). To get the best sounds, I have to be on a certain pickup and in a certain portion of the fretboard. To get sweet sounds on different pickups and different areas of the fingerboard, I have to change the settings. IS THE TRU-TRON EQUALLY DIFFICULT TO DIAL IN? Or does it give you those mellow vowels on any setting?
+guitartonetalk +Matt Nagel. Hello gentlemen. I can't give an answer to this question because I've not owned the Tru-tron for years, probably since this free video was posted. My experience with the Boss, original Mu-tron, this pair of pedals is that they're all highly dependent on pick attack, pickup (single coil, which position), probably gauge of string and the weather! I ran a compressor and posted a video of the results before a Mu-tron III to address the issue raised here. The Neutrino is not perfect, but I like it for its size and the Jerry Garcia ballpark it gets me in. The Tru-tron is what Bobby and Trey used last summer. Not a bad endorsement there, by any means. I liked the Neutrino for its more neutral vocal quality as apposed to the Tru-tron's cut, but the cut is probably very good in live situations. To each his own. It's a great time for gear heads. Thanks for watching, etc.
Hey there, so I'm on the market for a mutron III clone to get that "Jerry" tone. Seeing that you have had quite a few of these clones....in your own opinion which one nails it the best for that low pass jam band tone?
The Keeley or original Mu-tron III. Beigel's, as demonstrated above, gets close, but there's a thinness and quackiness to it that I didn't take to. But that's just me. For others, it's the bees-knees. Either way you go, whichever you don't take to can be flipped for near-to-exactly what you paid. Thanks for watching!
I dig. I find it interesting that keeley faired better then the original maker. However, the clip definitely sounded as though the keeley was warmer and a little less aggressive. Thanks for the info!
Priestfilms what's your opinion of the q-tron vs the Keeley? I too want that Jerry tone. But my board is rather full as is. ....was going to go for the q-tron, then I saw the Keeley and now I'm leaning more towards that, purely for space concerns. What pedal would you rather go with, the q-tron or the Keeley? Thanks - Abe
Never played the q-tron. Have heard others play it live. It's pretty huge if I recall. The Keeley is fine for me. I've read many comments about its warmth, so if that's appealing, I'd try the Neutrino.
+Priestfilms Dude...I love the licks your playing here...I could listen to it for hours...I put a bass line to it and we jammed in the studio with it...And I bought the Tru tron just to give it to my guitarist
Agree with your statement that the Mu is slightly quacky compared to the Keeley in this example. I prefer the Keeley big time. Its a subtle difference, but to me its very clear, especially on the overdriven parts. The Keeley never seems to get 'hard' sounding. Sold.
I'm going to sell my neutrino and get a boss aw-3 or maybe qtron. The neutrino is too finicky. The aw-3 is reliably vowely without any fuss. Maybe it's not boutique, but it's predictable. (Any buyers on neutrino?)
I set my Neutrino exactly the same and used my Tele and LP and I could barely get the envelope to open. I maxed the gain and all it did was add some distortion. Back it goes. I'll try a q-tron+ I guess.
joshie4330 couldn’t agree more. I had a QTron+ and it was awesome. Tried the Neutrino and couldn’t get a good suns out of it because it took so much gain to open.
It's kind of odd that the LP wouldn't open the filter, does it have P90s in it? I ask because humbuckers generally have no problem with getting the filter to open. With the tele a straight up clean boost in front of the Envelope Filter should get you there
It took me a while to get my Keeley dialed in, but it does a mean Jerry! I'd still love to get my paws on one of those original Beigel Mutrons. Thanks for sharing this demo and your licks are groovy as hell!
This effect always makes me think of the song "What I Am" by Edie Brickell & New Bohemians.
Forever linked...
Great comparison. Thanks for doing this video!
I like the way that both pedals (ans especially the Beigel) softens the attack of the notes, in addition to the filter. It seems there is an slow-volume or auto-volume too. I don't there is one but it sounds like this. And it makes it more synth-like :-) Terribly 70s, wow. Thanx for the demo.
great playing!
Oh wow! This is so Jerry!!!
Great demo. I have a Neutrino. My only issue (apparently common to many envelope filters) is the response on the high E. A note played on this string doesn't trigger the effect. I found putting a compressor upstream helped. Any other ideas?
+FeralPyg I got the neutrino and it is a very fickle pedal. I have never had a pedal so temperamental....a given setting only targets certain portions of the fretboard and favors certain pup selections, and that's kind of frustrating. When it's in the sweet spot, it is super sweet, but it's a narrow sweet spot. I'd like to know if the Tru-tron is equally tricky to dial in.
+Matt Nagel Not sure. I sold it some time ago.
I diagree. While I haven't heard the WMD, I think the Neutrino captures the sound much better than the Tru-Tron 3X. Just my opinion. They both sound great, but the Neutrino sends shivers up my spine. Waiting for Sweetwater to restock. I really like Beigels' Octave divider though....
Sounds great in this demo... What is the H9 set to do in this case?
Reverb only, I think. Nothing too fancy. :)
I have owned both pedals being displayed... as well as funkzillah,boss aw3 dod etc. As strange as it may seem ,my favorite is the mxr m82 bass envelope filter, I found that out by mistke.Its never overly shrill or any unwanted volume chages. I haven't heard anyone else who does that. I strongly suggest the next time you pass a 🎸 store plug one in.Any info on if mxr\or anyone who writes/says it works for bass and electric guitars that would be incredibly kind And appreciated.cheers
I've heard people complain that the MXR Bass Envelope Filter doesn't produce enough volume at the output; what has been your experience of/solution for this?
Priestfilms what amp/guitar are you using in this video. Such amazing tone.... Please let me know?
+Joshua Kaufman I'm sorry, Joshua. I can't remember. It may have been a Matchless Chieftain. Definitely a Strat, though.
Sold me on the Tru-Tron 3x!!
Cool...
H9 on with these also?
Si!
What are the chords you are playing in the back?
Oliver Ray |: E (third in root) / Bmin 7 / E / A :|
open.spotify.com/track/7IxWcB6pMorju4iCfgLEBi?si=nIADObARSLiYHce0IJcSaw
Any tab for that lick?
Great demo. The Tru-Tron wins hands down! I prefer my Tru-tron over my original Mu-tron. If you want that Jerry sound, gget it from the man who created it. Mike Beigel and Mu-Fx knocked it out of the park with this one!
+Darren Grimsby Yes! Trey and Bobby used one on their boards last summer. Pretty awesome endorsement there as well!
Both pedals sound great though I prefer the Tru-Tron overall. My only complaint is pedal makers using blue LED indicator lights.
I have the neutrino and I think it has a pretty narrow sweet spot (it's very sweet in that spot though). To get the best sounds, I have to be on a certain pickup and in a certain portion of the fretboard. To get sweet sounds on different pickups and different areas of the fingerboard, I have to change the settings. IS THE TRU-TRON EQUALLY DIFFICULT TO DIAL IN? Or does it give you those mellow vowels on any setting?
+Matt Nagel I would like to know the answer to this as well!
+guitartonetalk +Matt Nagel. Hello gentlemen. I can't give an answer to this question because I've not owned the Tru-tron for years, probably since this free video was posted. My experience with the Boss, original Mu-tron, this pair of pedals is that they're all highly dependent on pick attack, pickup (single coil, which position), probably gauge of string and the weather! I ran a compressor and posted a video of the results before a Mu-tron III to address the issue raised here. The Neutrino is not perfect, but I like it for its size and the Jerry Garcia ballpark it gets me in. The Tru-tron is what Bobby and Trey used last summer. Not a bad endorsement there, by any means. I liked the Neutrino for its more neutral vocal quality as apposed to the Tru-tron's cut, but the cut is probably very good in live situations. To each his own. It's a great time for gear heads. Thanks for watching, etc.
Hey there,
so I'm on the market for a mutron III clone to get that "Jerry" tone. Seeing that you have had quite a few of these clones....in your own opinion which one nails it the best for that low pass jam band tone?
The Keeley or original Mu-tron III. Beigel's, as demonstrated above, gets close, but there's a thinness and quackiness to it that I didn't take to. But that's just me. For others, it's the bees-knees. Either way you go, whichever you don't take to can be flipped for near-to-exactly what you paid. Thanks for watching!
I dig. I find it interesting that keeley faired better then the original maker. However, the clip definitely sounded as though the keeley was warmer and a little less aggressive. Thanks for the info!
Priestfilms what's your opinion of the q-tron vs the Keeley? I too want that Jerry tone. But my board is rather full as is. ....was going to go for the q-tron, then I saw the Keeley and now I'm leaning more towards that, purely for space concerns. What pedal would you rather go with, the q-tron or the Keeley? Thanks - Abe
Never played the q-tron. Have heard others play it live. It's pretty huge if I recall. The Keeley is fine for me. I've read many comments about its warmth, so if that's appealing, I'd try the Neutrino.
+Priestfilms Dude...I love the licks your playing here...I could listen to it for hours...I put a bass line to it and we jammed in the studio with it...And I bought the Tru tron just to give it to my guitarist
Any latency issues with either of these pedals?
Isn't latency introduced via digital? I believe neither of these are. But if so, I've never noticed any latency.
Agree with your statement that the Mu is slightly quacky compared to the Keeley in this example. I prefer the Keeley big time. Its a subtle difference, but to me its very clear, especially on the overdriven parts. The Keeley never seems to get 'hard' sounding. Sold.
cool
do you use reverb ? or delay?, it's sound like spring reverb but repeat like delay .
+Boy Phakinai It was some setting on an Eventide H9, which is sold by now. It's a great pedal for experimenting with what you describe.
I'm going to sell my neutrino and get a boss aw-3 or maybe qtron. The neutrino is too finicky. The aw-3 is reliably vowely without any fuss. Maybe it's not boutique, but it's predictable. (Any buyers on neutrino?)
+Matt Nagel Reverb_dot_com is a great place to flip pedals, just in case you haven't heard of it.
how much?
Sold it a while ago, sorry. But here is some useful info: I got the Q-Tron plus and I love it. It is way more flexible.
I set my Neutrino exactly the same and used my Tele and LP and I could barely get the envelope to open. I maxed the gain and all it did was add some distortion. Back it goes. I'll try a q-tron+ I guess.
joshie4330 couldn’t agree more. I had a QTron+ and it was awesome. Tried the Neutrino and couldn’t get a good suns out of it because it took so much gain to open.
That's a pretty common problem with envelope filters. Most people use them with guitars equipped with an OBEL to help the tone.
It's kind of odd that the LP wouldn't open the filter, does it have P90s in it? I ask because humbuckers generally have no problem with getting the filter to open. With the tele a straight up clean boost in front of the Envelope Filter should get you there
Neither sounds like my Mut III, so far as I can hear here ... I prefer the mellower Neutrino, FWIW ...