THE BIG PINNED COMMENT!! 1) Use the code TREE for 40% off World Anvil with the link worldanvil.com/?c=mltt 2) An extra point that I didn't mention in the video (because it feels like I might be wrong) is the idea of "Carlo's book." Geppetto's son is named Carlo, likely after the author of the original story, Carlo Collodi. In the film, Geppetto gives his son Carlo a book of children's stories...a book he later gives to Pinocchio. Pinocchio refers to this book as "Carlo's book" to which Volpe (who isn't really listening or being serious tbf) responds: "Carlo's book! Yes, a classical, canonical book!" Just as Carlo Collodi's story of Pinocchio is a classical, canonical story. THE POINT IS there are some issues with this interpretation however it does suggest the story this Pinocchio has been given to learn from and take to school includes Carlo Collodi's original story of pinocchio...which was written as an educational tale for children...in which case, we see Geppetto try and teach Pinocchio all the moralistic lessons of the original pinocchio story, only for this movie Pinocchio to chuck it aside and embark on his own adventure...it's a very, very long-winded point that has issues, but it's still interesting to mention. 3) Something minor I forgot to mention but found cool is that Sebastian's speech about how father's "says things they only think they mean in the moment." It is a speech that comes out of Pinocchio saying "His nose didn't grow. Father called me a burden and his nose didn't grow." This whole idea of people saying things they truthfully mean, only to later realise they didn't mean it at all is a simple but surprisingly mature take on the classic metaphor of the nose growing. We see it later enhanced when Pinocchio is arguing with Candlewick and exclaims, "I love war! I love it!" His nose does not grow. Only later on in the dogfish, he repeats the exact same phrase and, this time, his nose does grow. I know it's quite minor, it's just really interesting for the film to take the often very black-and-white idea of lying vs telling the truth, and instead point out "sometimes what feels truthful in one moment is a lie in the next." 4) I talked about some of this recently in a patreon piece. I've been getting into a habit of releasing audio recordings on Patreon...with the idea to eventually build it up into a proper podcast. So if that sounds interesting to you, consider joining my patreon page. You get full access to everything for as little as $1 a month. patreon.com/mylittlethoughttree
This is a great video! I liked how you brought up the point of children being their own individual just like their parents. People often forget how smart children are and they speak down to them. Just like with "children's movies" that fall on shallow storytelling because "kids won't understand." On the other hand, there are so many movies and shows that treat kids like they should be, like human beings with minds of their own.
Damn you, managing to make me cry all over again... Seriously, this movie was so good. It has a few flaws but otherwise it's very close to a masterpiece. The ending hit me like a pile of bricks, and "you try your best, and that's the best anyone can do" is such a powerful line, especially as it changes its meaning throughout the story... The scene between Pinocchio and Candlewick in the dormitory, where they argue and bond, talk about fear and fathers, is probably the highlight for me. I don't even have the words... Great video, I could never have said it better. And, are you kidding: "As much as children may bring you terrible, terrible joy, they might also bring you a wonderful, wonderful burden." Fuck, what a line!! Incredible.
**spoilers** The ending before the epilogue actually got me in tears and I can't remember the last time I cried during a movie. Not when he died, 'cause I could kind of tell that it wasn't going to just end like that. But more so afterwards due to the sheer kindness of the scene itself. Just set off some deep sentimentality in me I didn't know existed, absolute surreal experience.
And Sebastian does serve as a mentor and conscience. Just…he doesn’t do it for Pinocchio. He gives Pinocchio a push, but the two barely spend any time together. Sebastian spends his time with the person he actually needs to teach to change, Gepetto.
Fantastic analysis! Also, the issue with the length and pacing is something that bothers me with many Pinocchio adaptations. The trouble for me is because this story isn’t meant to be a movie. The adventures of Pinocchio were a series that appeared on a children’s magazine, in a way a precursor to the comic strip. They were episodes that built up on each other, the story doesn’t have a central plot that’s easily summarized and retold. It’s no surprise to me that the adaptation that most of us in Italy regard as the very best is the 1972 miniseries by Luigi Comencini, where the plot os spread out over six episodes.
Watching the repercussions of a 3yo learning how to interact on the playground after the lockdowns can be so hard sometimes 😅 As a parent, you know you can only teach them so much before they have to see the consequences (both positive and negative) for themselves, but it can be so much easier said than done.
Thankyou Again For an insightful video. I Always find European Storytelling and film making so very interesting and Del Toro certainly is able to bring out that style in the film, there are of course many paralells to Pans Labyrinth in the film.
I loved your review of Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio. I only watched it about two weeks ago and was mesmerized by what Del Toro and the other filmmakers accomplished here. I have done puppet animation in film classes including building them and let me say it is incredibly hard thing to get right. The detail of acting alone was fantastic. But the emotional impact was powerful and from reviews and reactions I have read focused on the release of emotions the film's effect has. Perhaps as humans we store our traumas and emotions deep down and films that are made well that touches on loss and grief help us have a dialogue with our emotions. The concept of allowing children and ourselves freedom to grow without a militant control (that also means our emotions), helps us to process life with its many difficult twists and turns. Forgiveness, love and acceptance for those that walk with us in life includes allowing people to make mistakes and be fallible.
"What makes human life precious and meaningful is how brief it is." Is that true, though? A religious person would say that a deity is eternal; does this make the deity meaningless? Would a person's life become less meaningful if they somehow managed to live many ages? I can't imagine thinking that the length of a life has any bearing on how I would value it, especially to imply that a shorter life would be more meaningful than a long one.
I honestly think it’s the opposite. As much as secular culture tries to sell the “death/eventual nonexistence = meaning” philosophy, it really doesn’t make any sense. What’s the point of anything if it ends and has no lasting impact? Then we don’t even have nice memories to look back on, just an empty void with no one to look back anywhere. People fear the concept of eternity because they assume it is tedious and just the same reality stretched out ad nauseam. And it would be without God. But since God’s nature is generosity and creativity, then there’s no reason to fear infinity or assume it will eventually grow dull; if God were dull and simple enough to predict, he would not be God. So eternity with God is inevitably always novel because he is infinitely complex both in himself and in his actions. And because as God, his nature swallows reality itself, then everything done with him is truly meaningful because he is the source of meaning; as God, sheerly by definition of the position, he must be larger than even the void of meaninglessness. Most of my thoughts are inspired by my feelings after recently finishing The Good Place, but I think they apply here too.
I don't know, if think there's many sides to it. I think death adds meaning because it's a big part of what we're trying to understand in the first place: "how the hell can we walk around choosing to care and fall in love with all sorts of things we KNOW we are going to lose. How does that work? Do we still love out of a desperate attempt to forget the truth? Maybe partly. Do we love regardless? It's kind of a wonder. Death is a strange mystery we're forever seeking to understand, and it adds an urgency to all things. Really though, I don't think we leave no lasting impact once we're gone. We try to pass things down, leave something behind: that's the true meaning. To in some way live on even when we're not actually living, now that's a wonder! To mean something more than just what our own life contains but to spread out into many other people and things. That's what it makes me reflect on. Ofcourse the fleeting nature adds so much meaning because there's so much to make sense of in it. Although I also agree, I don't think it is the ONLY meaning exactly, nor do I think eternity is meaningless... but we'll never know for sure. All I do know is that as much as death has caused me suffering, and others I know, something else comes out of the experience...at least in a more general sense
This adaptation was thrilling and wondrous but also often painful. I was scared for Pinnochio b/c he was too innocent to know the dangers he was running into -- which shows how great this film is with its characterization. Also -- and SPOILERS, go no further unless you're OK with that -- I was sad that Pinocchio did not become flesh and blood. When everyone died of old age, that left him unable to form a family of his own.
Well, if it had boosted views, I would've left it at that 😅 I get why it winds people up but I also very much financially depend on this channel. The fact this has only gotten 1.3k views is gonna make this month's bills difficult. Not that I'm complaining or anything, and I avoid making a big thing put of it or pushing my patreon too often... but trying to experiment a litte to salvage a failing video: seems like a mostly harmless way to try and help things
@@mylittlethoughttree Honestly, it's very sad. And the thumbnail-changing thing takes a real stretch to be considered a problem. Thanks for the videos, BTW. Thank fuck this one was recommended to me. I have to spend more time in creators' backlogs. 😊
Well there are unlisted episodes you can find via the playlist, if you haven't caught up with them. Otherwise, not yet sure. Think ep12 or 11 or something will be the next one and it's basically a case of finding a free moment to spare on them. It'll definitely continue though
I love how Sebastian J. Cricket says "Sometimes fathers say only what they think they mean in the moment" Instead of the stupid clishé of "Sometimes people say things they don't mean" The thing is that we know they mean it and that's what hurts, but that doesn't mean that they'll always believe that. I think Sebastian's quote is a lot more realistic since people often say things in the heat of the moment and truely mean it when they say it, it's only after that they realise that they believe something else when their judgement isn't clouded by emotion.
THE BIG PINNED COMMENT!!
1) Use the code TREE for 40% off World Anvil with the link worldanvil.com/?c=mltt
2) An extra point that I didn't mention in the video (because it feels like I might be wrong) is the idea of "Carlo's book." Geppetto's son is named Carlo, likely after the author of the original story, Carlo Collodi. In the film, Geppetto gives his son Carlo a book of children's stories...a book he later gives to Pinocchio. Pinocchio refers to this book as "Carlo's book" to which Volpe (who isn't really listening or being serious tbf) responds: "Carlo's book! Yes, a classical, canonical book!" Just as Carlo Collodi's story of Pinocchio is a classical, canonical story. THE POINT IS there are some issues with this interpretation however it does suggest the story this Pinocchio has been given to learn from and take to school includes Carlo Collodi's original story of pinocchio...which was written as an educational tale for children...in which case, we see Geppetto try and teach Pinocchio all the moralistic lessons of the original pinocchio story, only for this movie Pinocchio to chuck it aside and embark on his own adventure...it's a very, very long-winded point that has issues, but it's still interesting to mention.
3) Something minor I forgot to mention but found cool is that Sebastian's speech about how father's "says things they only think they mean in the moment." It is a speech that comes out of Pinocchio saying "His nose didn't grow. Father called me a burden and his nose didn't grow." This whole idea of people saying things they truthfully mean, only to later realise they didn't mean it at all is a simple but surprisingly mature take on the classic metaphor of the nose growing. We see it later enhanced when Pinocchio is arguing with Candlewick and exclaims, "I love war! I love it!" His nose does not grow. Only later on in the dogfish, he repeats the exact same phrase and, this time, his nose does grow. I know it's quite minor, it's just really interesting for the film to take the often very black-and-white idea of lying vs telling the truth, and instead point out "sometimes what feels truthful in one moment is a lie in the next."
4) I talked about some of this recently in a patreon piece. I've been getting into a habit of releasing audio recordings on Patreon...with the idea to eventually build it up into a proper podcast. So if that sounds interesting to you, consider joining my patreon page. You get full access to everything for as little as $1 a month.
patreon.com/mylittlethoughttree
Wow, point 3!! I didn't even pick up on that. That's such a good point. God, the writing in this movie is so good...
This is a great video! I liked how you brought up the point of children being their own individual just like their parents. People often forget how smart children are and they speak down to them. Just like with "children's movies" that fall on shallow storytelling because "kids won't understand." On the other hand, there are so many movies and shows that treat kids like they should be, like human beings with minds of their own.
Damn you, managing to make me cry all over again...
Seriously, this movie was so good. It has a few flaws but otherwise it's very close to a masterpiece. The ending hit me like a pile of bricks, and "you try your best, and that's the best anyone can do" is such a powerful line, especially as it changes its meaning throughout the story... The scene between Pinocchio and Candlewick in the dormitory, where they argue and bond, talk about fear and fathers, is probably the highlight for me. I don't even have the words...
Great video, I could never have said it better. And, are you kidding: "As much as children may bring you terrible, terrible joy, they might also bring you a wonderful, wonderful burden." Fuck, what a line!! Incredible.
**spoilers**
The ending before the epilogue actually got me in tears and I can't remember the last time I cried during a movie. Not when he died, 'cause I could kind of tell that it wasn't going to just end like that. But more so afterwards due to the sheer kindness of the scene itself. Just set off some deep sentimentality in me I didn't know existed, absolute surreal experience.
And Sebastian does serve as a mentor and conscience. Just…he doesn’t do it for Pinocchio. He gives Pinocchio a push, but the two barely spend any time together. Sebastian spends his time with the person he actually needs to teach to change, Gepetto.
Fantastic analysis! Also, the issue with the length and pacing is something that bothers me with many Pinocchio adaptations. The trouble for me is because this story isn’t meant to be a movie. The adventures of Pinocchio were a series that appeared on a children’s magazine, in a way a precursor to the comic strip. They were episodes that built up on each other, the story doesn’t have a central plot that’s easily summarized and retold. It’s no surprise to me that the adaptation that most of us in Italy regard as the very best is the 1972 miniseries by Luigi Comencini, where the plot os spread out over six episodes.
Watching the repercussions of a 3yo learning how to interact on the playground after the lockdowns can be so hard sometimes 😅 As a parent, you know you can only teach them so much before they have to see the consequences (both positive and negative) for themselves, but it can be so much easier said than done.
Thankyou Again For an insightful video. I Always find European Storytelling and film making so very interesting and Del Toro certainly is able to bring out that style in the film, there are of course many paralells to Pans Labyrinth in the film.
I loved your review of Guillermo Del Toro's Pinocchio. I only watched it about two weeks ago and was mesmerized by what Del Toro and the other filmmakers accomplished here. I have done puppet animation in film classes including building them and let me say it is incredibly hard thing to get right. The detail of acting alone was fantastic. But the emotional impact was powerful and from reviews and reactions I have read focused on the release of emotions the film's effect has. Perhaps as humans we store our traumas and emotions deep down and films that are made well that touches on loss and grief help us have a dialogue with our emotions. The concept of allowing children and ourselves freedom to grow without a militant control (that also means our emotions), helps us to process life with its many difficult twists and turns. Forgiveness, love and acceptance for those that walk with us in life includes allowing people to make mistakes and be fallible.
I really love this video. Thank you so much. This will give me more inspiration for my Pinocchio adaptation that I'm currently working on.
"What makes human life precious and meaningful is how brief it is." Is that true, though? A religious person would say that a deity is eternal; does this make the deity meaningless? Would a person's life become less meaningful if they somehow managed to live many ages? I can't imagine thinking that the length of a life has any bearing on how I would value it, especially to imply that a shorter life would be more meaningful than a long one.
I honestly think it’s the opposite. As much as secular culture tries to sell the “death/eventual nonexistence = meaning” philosophy, it really doesn’t make any sense. What’s the point of anything if it ends and has no lasting impact? Then we don’t even have nice memories to look back on, just an empty void with no one to look back anywhere. People fear the concept of eternity because they assume it is tedious and just the same reality stretched out ad nauseam. And it would be without God. But since God’s nature is generosity and creativity, then there’s no reason to fear infinity or assume it will eventually grow dull; if God were dull and simple enough to predict, he would not be God. So eternity with God is inevitably always novel because he is infinitely complex both in himself and in his actions. And because as God, his nature swallows reality itself, then everything done with him is truly meaningful because he is the source of meaning; as God, sheerly by definition of the position, he must be larger than even the void of meaninglessness.
Most of my thoughts are inspired by my feelings after recently finishing The Good Place, but I think they apply here too.
I don't know, if think there's many sides to it. I think death adds meaning because it's a big part of what we're trying to understand in the first place: "how the hell can we walk around choosing to care and fall in love with all sorts of things we KNOW we are going to lose. How does that work? Do we still love out of a desperate attempt to forget the truth? Maybe partly. Do we love regardless? It's kind of a wonder. Death is a strange mystery we're forever seeking to understand, and it adds an urgency to all things.
Really though, I don't think we leave no lasting impact once we're gone. We try to pass things down, leave something behind: that's the true meaning. To in some way live on even when we're not actually living, now that's a wonder! To mean something more than just what our own life contains but to spread out into many other people and things.
That's what it makes me reflect on. Ofcourse the fleeting nature adds so much meaning because there's so much to make sense of in it. Although I also agree, I don't think it is the ONLY meaning exactly, nor do I think eternity is meaningless... but we'll never know for sure. All I do know is that as much as death has caused me suffering, and others I know, something else comes out of the experience...at least in a more general sense
You made me watch the movie sooner than I've planned so I can watch your analysis 😅
Another great video as always!
Loved your analysis of this beautiful film!
Thanks for the amazing analysis! 😊
Thank you so much for this video! I really enjoyed listening to your thoughts about the film and it's themes.
This adaptation was thrilling and wondrous but also often painful. I was scared for Pinnochio b/c he was too innocent to know the dangers he was running into -- which shows how great this film is with its characterization. Also -- and SPOILERS, go no further unless you're OK with that -- I was sad that Pinocchio did not become flesh and blood. When everyone died of old age, that left him unable to form a family of his own.
How many times will you change the title and thumbnail to boost views?
At least one more time apparently
Well, if it had boosted views, I would've left it at that 😅 I get why it winds people up but I also very much financially depend on this channel. The fact this has only gotten 1.3k views is gonna make this month's bills difficult. Not that I'm complaining or anything, and I avoid making a big thing put of it or pushing my patreon too often... but trying to experiment a litte to salvage a failing video: seems like a mostly harmless way to try and help things
@@mylittlethoughttree Honestly, it's very sad. And the thumbnail-changing thing takes a real stretch to be considered a problem.
Thanks for the videos, BTW. Thank fuck this one was recommended to me. I have to spend more time in creators' backlogs. 😊
Thanks for your analysis and content bro, I really love your videos
Hey don’t know if this is random but when are you continuing the Building the Bond of Attachment series
Well there are unlisted episodes you can find via the playlist, if you haven't caught up with them. Otherwise, not yet sure. Think ep12 or 11 or something will be the next one and it's basically a case of finding a free moment to spare on them. It'll definitely continue though
Not sure why the algorithm didn't scoop this one up. Really great video.
I love how Sebastian J. Cricket says
"Sometimes fathers say only what they think they mean in the moment"
Instead of the stupid clishé of
"Sometimes people say things they don't mean"
The thing is that we know they mean it and that's what hurts, but that doesn't mean that they'll always believe that. I think Sebastian's quote is a lot more realistic since people often say things in the heat of the moment and truely mean it when they say it, it's only after that they realise that they believe something else when their judgement isn't clouded by emotion.
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This movie is so well made. My heart ached from start to finish 😭😭 So glad that things turned out so well. So good.
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Goddamn. I can't tell you how much re-editing and re-watching I went through thinking I'd finally removed all of them 😅
amazing video!
Always a delight to see another vid from you 🎥 🪵
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