Send, the forgien Palestine students home! They are breaking the law and if they continue to protest on the streets! Make your arguments to your embassy!
I don't know where they got their degrees from, it is certainly illegal to spend even 1 night in a non zoned public place in Canada. Divesting from Israel is not their call. This is Canada. The protesters are organized and funded. Why do they call what they are doing " fighting a genocide". They know the organizers are wanting the end of the Jewish civilization. Why have other global tragedies received zero attention from protestors? Lots of good questions out there. No answers.
This has gotten way out of hand. The facts are that this is an encampment illegally occupying lands, wantonly destroying property, indiscriminately harassing people and thinking that they can FORCE a message backed by hate and bigotry to be accepted by all. No. I stand for Peace and if palestine has the right to defend itself so does Israel!
@thegreatnormad3424. it’s supposed to be a free country but that does not excuse accountability and responsibility for your actions - the rule of law still presides in Canada
@@bycrescentmoon8001 Yet they are misrepresented and demonized, portrayed as anti-semites and terrorist sympathizers, told they are ignorant and threatened with police violence. For simply saying they refuse to be a party to war crimes.
4353 4israel is a terrorist apartheid state filled with pedophiles that ran away from the US to escape conviction. THIS IS NOT HATE SPEECH YOU ! THIS IS FACTS ! GOOGLE IT !! criminals flee to israel cause it has a Non Extradition Treaty!! and im gonna post in 1000x from 25 different accounts (on 25 different cell phones) ALL DAY EVERY DAY hahahahahaha hey RUclips you are never gonn stop me and you will never silence us ! ;) :) i see you around ;) reg ergerg er
They are concerned about the right to protest, the complicity of our institutions in genocide and apartheid, and the right to shape our own institutions according to the values of universal human rights.
@@h.b.7104 So genocide is ok when it's Gaza doing it? But not the other way around....got it. They have already MORE than protested but chanting ☠️ to all Jews is not the type of protests anyone should be supporting. Also....this is a SCHOOL...a very expensive one at that. You want to protest...go do it somewhere that doesn't interfere with people's right to the uninterrupted education they paid for.
@@Method9you could consider divesting from the school by withdrawing as a student? The school has already stated it will not cancel any partnerships in relationship to Israel that it currently has. Now you could put your money where your mouth is and literally stop funding the school by not enrolling next year. Possibly you may be in incredible debt though, but wouldn't that also be a more meaningful gesture of your commitment to this cause of yours if you were to forgo that investment? Or I guess you could also continue to act petulant.
Do the same, what was done to the truckers in Ottawa - horses, rubber bullets, closed bank accounts. What makes this protest different?! Oh, let me guess - they all “woke”, so you can’t touch them, like you would normal citizens?!
This protest is different because it has not tried to shut down a city, has not tried to block international trade routes vital to Canada's economy, and has not tried to depose a democratically elected government.
The protestors should camp on the teachers yard. They would call cops in seconds like when Pelsi took a few seconds to call cops on illegals camping on her front yard.
@@Method9truly insane is to continue trying to coerce people into following your narrative. Canada will always stand with Israel and against islamist extremists such as Palestinians and Hamas.
What's extreme about opposing genocide and calling for peace? You are basically the only goon calling me that. And it seems to be the only point you're capable of making.
There's nothing extremist about opposing genocide, calling for divestment from war crimes and advocating for peace. My position on the 2 state solution is the same position that Canada has held for many decades. Try making a point instead of an ad hominem, ZenCorvus. I believe in you.
When Jewish schools are bring shot up and Jewish hate crime attacks are skyrocketing in Canada encampment that have been found to have yahztee imagery hanging have to be dismantled because like it or not Pro Palestinian movement has failed drive out the neo yahztee and yahztee elements from their movement
What a joke. To meet any demands whatsoever is insane. You are teaching lawbreakers how to get away with civil disobedience. Welcome to a world were people call activist an acceptable career path
Befuddling that the comments negative to the Students and Faculty supporting Gaza would likely have been the same commenters positive to the 2021 Truckers occupying Parliament.
If you had to think about it, do you think you could make sense out of it? Like, if it was on an exam, and you were asked to write an essay defending the view? Try it!
@@Benson_Bear I would start an essay with short briefings of the 1917 Balfour Declaration, the 1949 United Nations Resolution 194 (III), and the 1956 and 1967 Mid East wars. I would put in the essay how in each of these events the Palestinians lost their territory and freedom until October 7, 2023 when they finally struck back. I would end my essay on Israelis being an apartheid state guilty of the worst crimes since the defeat of Nazi Germany. This draft could run 10 paragraphs and 2000 words which passes for 1st and 2nd year students.
@@ralphkilloran8065 Sounds like you didn't read the question! In your defense, I didn't actually write it out (because I thought it was clear what I was getting at -- try to put yourself in their shoes, instead you just tightened the laces on your own). So the exam question would go something like this: "Provide the best argument you can for the view that the 'Truckers' had a right to carry out their protest, while the 'Students' did not have the right to carry out theirs". I figured that if you tried your best to defend something you find befuddling, you might find it less befuddling. I am presuming here that when you refer to positive and negative comments, you are talking mainly about comments regarding whether the protests should be allowed, and not comments about whether the protesters are actually right. Because the latter of these seems less befuddling -- you I believe were trying to suggest that the a group's right to protest should not be determined by whether or not they agree with you on the substantive issue at hand. I might be wrong about that. But it seems those who agreed with the Truckers are more likely to think they should be allowed to protest, and those who agree with the Students are more likely to think that THEY should be allowed to protest. It would be best if everyone agreed on the right to protest one way or the other. But the two groups here will try to find things that differ between the nature of the protests and not the position on the issue they are protesting about. Such as: the students did not actually block the ROADS and make a lot of noise with HORNS.
@@Benson_Bear The public learned out after the Trucker's protests against the Jab that the government was not being honest about their vaccinations. Canadians and Americans are mostly only now becoming aware of Israelis harsh treatment to non Jewish citizens and what was before believed the truth was in fact all lies.
You are certainly allowed (and encouraged) to express your opinions in an articulate manner. Criticize the administration for their investments and inaction on the matter. These are all part of living in a democracy.I However, why do you believe you have the right to break the law when your "demands" are not met? You do not own the University of Toronto's land. Occupying it is the same as squatting in a home you decide to appropriate as your own. This behaviour is no different than kidnapping or hijacking. You have taken something that does not belong to you as a hostage until you get what you want. How is this any different than a terrorist organization or a human (in this case land) trafficking operation? The encampment is both trespassing and vandalism. This is not how rational educated people behave. You are no different than any other entitled party involved on any side of this conflict. You may not be using weapons, but your rhetoric is dangerous and undertoned with violence. If you were peaceful you would not be yelling. Also, why is this the first genocide that has outraged you? Many other atrocities have taken place in other parts of the world in recent times, but this level of mobilization was absent. The only difference is that this conflict has a financial component. Clearly whoever is brainwashing you has monetary gains in their future. If this was about innocent lives there would be peaceful protests prior to October 7, 2023. At the end of the day, tuition money goes towards faculty and staff salaries as well as some operating costs. But if you do not approve of the university's spending practices, transfer elsewhere. Also why are you protesting at King's College Circle and not on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. The federal government has committed to exponentially more funding of Israel than any of UofT's investments.
Hats down to the academics. Do not be complicit in crimes against humanity. All trolls in here remember - justice always prevails. Use of force to change someone's opinion did not work in 1930 and will not work now.
the crime here is one nation wants the other wiped off the map. one nation antagonizes another with crude methods (human shields) and then cries victim, the other just wants to defend itself. and yet, that is strangely being ignored in this setting.
@@bycrescentmoon8001 You have it completely reversed. One nation cries victim as it occupies and ethnically cleanses another, shocked that they actually resist. Look at how Israel is a pariah. The world is not stupid. It has woken up to the true face of the Zionist entity.
Israel and their supporters are the real Nazis/ terrorists. We need to get the out of U of T leadership. U of T currently supporting Israeli genocide of innocent women and children. Disgusting, cowardly traitors to humanity and Canada
You get a grip, U of T is supporting genocide in Gaza. Get real . Many of the protesters are Jewish. You should be like them instead of supporting genocide
@@h.b.7104 well just look at what is happening in UK now. They can not even get rid all those radicals in UK. UK police becomes the laughing stock of UK for being weakling.
Good 👍🏿 for the staff! The students are only doing what they taught them! Now imagine how bad it would look if the students found out what they were taught doesn't work! Refund!
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The world has problems. Which is one of the key reasons why we need Universities! The situation with Palestine and Israel has been getting worse and worse for decades now. The problem will not go away by pretending it does not exist. Unfortunately, there are also many other problems that need to be addressed. The inconvenience of occasionally being reminded of these problem by tents and protestors is a small price to pay. ideally, the University community (and not the administrators) should find ways to keep the dialog going while allowing concerns to be expressed as the University continues to fulfill its mission.
and what mission would that be? there are diplomats and embassies for that. the inconvenience you so casually mention has been harassing students, damaging property and preventing graduations. I agree, I wish for peaceful resolution but it’s clear that they are not interested in that.
I appreciate the nuance of your conversation and I agree that the university as an academic institution for higher learning SHOULD be a place for dialogue. But the students' reason for the encampments is about the actions of the university as a corporate entity with billions of dollars to invest, that is not something that can be resolved in a seminar, lecture, or classroom.
People can protest but encampments is another matter. The protestors don’t represent all students. If you meet all the students demands you will be setting a dangerous precedent.
I strongly encourage the faculty and others to educate themselves on the conflict and on Islamic theology that Hamas and groups like it, who run different parts of "Palestine", hold dear. An excellent read that quotes theological and contemporary historical sources is Spencer's "The History of Jihad". One must have an encyclopedic ignorance of sources and history to support the chants of the so-called protesters. I did my undergrad at UofT.
You might try to educate yourself on the history of the establishment of Israel by reading Israeli historians. Ilan Pappé and Avi Shlaim would be a good start. Happy reading.
Anyone who is angry that the students and faculty that are exercising their protected rights as Canadians should go live in Israel. There you can report people for being critical of the government.
lol Whereas in Gaza under terrorists, you're tortured and killed for being critical of the gov't. Across the Muslim world, the rights we take for granted are almost unknown. Israel, due to being surrounded for decades by hostile forces, has to curb their inclination to have a freer democracy and you pick on that? If they didn't have tight security, they'd all be dead and overrun by the Islamists, which is goal in the Hamas charter. Read the book by the son of one of the Hamas leaders and hear their brutality and realize these people have picked that side to support.
or you can go live in Hamas occupied Gaza/Palestine and actually do some good there besides ranting and raving. If they really cared they could go give blood, give aid, give comfort..... As if screaming and chanting ever helped anyone.
This is not about muzzling free opinion or debate. It is about an encampment that does not permit “Zionists” or others who affirm Israel’s right to exist from entering. Disband the encampment and continue your protest but don’t argue you have a right to seize the University’s grounds.
No state has a "right to exist" if it practices apartheid. (See Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International reports declaring Israel an apartheid state). South Africa as an apartheid state was not acceptable. Same applies to Israel.
Israel needs a non-apartheid government. A post colonial culture. And yes, I know just how impossible that sounds right now. But crazier things have happened.
@@h.b.7104 God do you guys learn any "real" history?????? It wasn't, isn't and can't be an Apartheid. You either have been brain washed or you haven't taken the time to learn ALL of the history. Have more pride in yourself. Learn intelligible arguments.
@@ContentforUncles if we sidestepping into another topic, sure they are not murdering people but they are overstaying and subject to trespassing law of Ontario. Sure they can protests but outside of the premises of the school per the guidelines of UFT, the owner of the school premises.
This is an attempt to display a protest as a labor dispute, where 1 party decides to use legal action entailing financial pressure as leverage. This is not the case here. In no way can students use property of the University as leverage to reach their demands. That's not protest or expression, that's extortion. The students and staff are in full liberty to cut their own financial ties with the University, as an expression of divestment.
I do hope that those that are supporting the militants in the encampment realise there are consequences to their actions. I support the Palestinians, however, there are more effective ways/places that will help them than just occupying a place. Unfortunately a deep dive into an investment portfolio is very unlikely to help due to how entangled the world is right now. That said, why aren't the protesters promoting businesses that are supporting the Palestinians? THAT would be much more effective. Negative options rarely work vs. positive re-enforcement. I do hope that the university does expel the militant leaders and reconsider the tenure of the professors that support this. This is not a negociation. This is a hostage situation.
"I have concluded that the decision to issue the Proclamation of the Emergencies Act does not bear the hallmarks of reasonableness-justification, transparency and intelligibility, and was not justified,"
Freedom to speak out about insane wokesters employed in our schools is part of the freedom you mention. The woke mind virus has infected much of the staff at UofT.
So much hate and nazi thoughts in the comments' section here. Long live the Palestinian resistance! And anyone who fights for the rights and freedoms to exist as a human!
@@bycrescentmoon8001 you don't "support a country" by supporting its genocidal tendencies. You support a country by making it morally, economically, and politically better not worse. Also, people want to go back to live in their home countries, but because of Canadian, US, and other foreign interference that always ignite wars in other countries, they cannot go back. So it's not that people are living here because it's better, but because those countries igniting the wars don't have active wars on their own soil.
That was wrong. But it's not happening anymore, and the protests by "the truckers" were about deposing a democratically elected government and blocking international trade routes. Next time learn how to protest peacefully and democratically.
Why can’t a school that educates student on history and impact on the world; teachers need to teach the truth of Israel…. Remember both Palestine and the new Israel are being occupied…. Will the true hebrews please stand up?!?!!!?
From the Anishinaabi: "Five of the six universities on the MCFN Treaty Lands have pro-Palestinian encampments on them. Not one consulted the MCFN about encampments being set up on our Treaty Lands. Not one consulted the MCFN about the manner in which encampment occupiers and pro-Palestinian protesters behave on our Treaty Lands. No consultation took place about excluding Jewish and Zionist students and faculty from any part of our Treaty Lands or limiting their use and enjoyment of our Treaty Lands. Exclusion, bigotry, harassment, antisemitism, lawlessness, and hate are being permitted on and throughout our Treaty Lands. All of which is contrary to The Seven Sacred Teachings, the Rule of Law in Canada, and disregard the duty to consult and the essence of land acknowledgements." All Canadians are shamed when CP24 provides a platform to these faculty monsters.
This is from TWO Anishinaabi who have declared themselves Zionists. Few first nations people support Zionism. They represent only themselves and have no tribal authority.
@@jeffspicolli593 Jeffy, you can easily find this column in the National Post. It was written by tWO people who call themselves Anishinaabe Zionists. It is not an official statement of the Mississauga of the New Credit First Nation.
@@Method9 For being derelict in their duties. The student are paying for an education and these clowns are not providing that. Also there is no genocide you clown.
Maybe you should use the two brain cells you have and try to comprehend why Jewish faculty stand against war crimes and say that Israel does not represent their values. It's quite a profound and courageous thing they are doing and they deserve not to be smeared for their moral clarity about what Israel is doing.
we as Canadians have the freedom to decide for ourselves, and that is something worthy to defend, in the face of other nations trying to tell us, shame us or force us what to do.
So you believe we ARE all going to be ruled by Islamofascists and better jump on board now? How long do you give Canada before it is taken over like Iran?
It is not brave to scream and rant and camp in a tent. It would be braver to give blood, to give Aid, to join the Red Cross or the Red Crescent, to do a humanitarian mission, or become a volunteer with Doctors Without Borders....Now that would be Brave.
Since when do students make demands of an educational institution? Engage in discourse, dialogue, debate, disagreement. All intelligent means of communication. Demands are made by those lacking in intellectual capacity because they have no choice. You have a choice and you are choosing this. What lesson are you teaching your students? Throw a tantrum like a toddler without the knowledge of how to use language? I would be curious how you, the faculty, will respond when your students use these same tactics to protest their marks on essays and exams.
Hamas is responsible for what's happening in Gaza. If they had not attacked Israel, this would not have happened. If they release the hostages and surrender, then there would be no more bombings. Obviously, you choose to ignore the atrocities committed against the Israelis.
@larrykim8435 I don't know why people focus just with happened on October 7th the conflict has a much longer history. Educate yourself go read and watch documentaries
@@larrykim8435 Israeli apartheid and associated violence has existed long before Oct. 7. Read the reports of Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International on Israeli apartheid. If you care, that is.
Where are the tents for the >1 million innocent Muslim civilians, mostly women and children, who have died (so far...) as a result of the ongoing civil wars in Yeman and Syria? What is your definition of "genocide"? The population of Gaza has gone up ~5x over the last 70 years, there hasn't been any Jews living in Gaza for ~20 years (while many Muslim can and do live and work in Israel), and what about the border with Egypt that Gaza shares, is Egypt also committing genocide? During a war civilians die, but the ratio of civilian to combatant in this one is on the low end of an urban conflict and ~40,000 trucks with aid (over 3000 calories per person per day - more than I eat in Canada!) have gone in, as well as weeks notice of military operations so can move out of harms way. Why do so many (usually fathers) decide to stay instead of move a few km north of the city? But, would any of this be going on if Hamas and others kept firing rockets and attacking Israel, because of their hatred of the Jews as per Islamic sources? Israel allows Muslims to live and work within their borders, and hold high ranking positions, can Jews do that in Islamic countries, in Gaza?
@@bycrescentmoon8001 You would not recognize the best and most progressive leader of Canada in 60 years. Finally he is attempting to pass stuff waiting from when Harper just sold or shut down everything. Many can't identify with true freedom that does not infringe on others' rights.
Send, the forgien Palestine students home! They are breaking the law and if they continue to protest on the streets! Make your arguments to your embassy!
I don't know where they got their degrees from, it is certainly illegal to spend even 1 night in a non zoned public place in Canada. Divesting from Israel is not their call. This is Canada. The protesters are organized and funded. Why do they call what they are doing " fighting a genocide". They know the organizers are wanting the end of the Jewish civilization. Why have other global tragedies received zero attention from protestors? Lots of good questions out there. No answers.
The Palestinians don't have a home, maybe send back the Israelites first
Especially if they are injuring staff and students.
This has gotten way out of hand. The facts are that this is an encampment illegally occupying lands, wantonly destroying property, indiscriminately harassing people and thinking that they can FORCE a message backed by hate and bigotry to be accepted by all. No. I stand for Peace and if palestine has the right to defend itself so does Israel!
@Method9 the vast majority??? proof…
This country is becoming the laughing stock of the world
Yeah because it's turning into trump land jr.
Because you want it ethnic democracy. Minorities have all the rights to protest and shouldn't be intimidated.
Is it woke to be against genocide?
@xToxicNinjax. again with the hatespeech. not helping…
@thegreatnormad3424. it’s supposed to be a free country but that does not excuse accountability and responsibility for your actions - the rule of law still presides in Canada
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize,”
what are you talking about? criticism is all I am hearing from this group.
@@bycrescentmoon8001 Yet they are misrepresented and demonized, portrayed as anti-semites and terrorist sympathizers, told they are ignorant and threatened with police violence. For simply saying they refuse to be a party to war crimes.
Oh yeah setting up encampments on university property and policing who can enter a space without any authorisation is “criticism”.!
If Israel and Palestine are still around in 100 years they will still be fighting.....just saying.
4353 4israel is a terrorist apartheid state filled with pedophiles that ran away from the US to escape conviction. THIS IS NOT HATE SPEECH YOU ! THIS IS FACTS ! GOOGLE IT !! criminals flee to israel cause it has a Non Extradition Treaty!! and im gonna post in 1000x from 25 different accounts (on 25 different cell phones) ALL DAY EVERY DAY hahahahahaha hey RUclips you are never gonn stop me and you will never silence us ! ;) :) i see you around ;) reg ergerg er
YOU FIRED! Go get a job teaching in Gaza!
There are no universities left in Gaza.
Iran is hiring.
give them 24 hours
Israel destroyed all the universities, you monstrous twit
This is canada. We have freedoms. If you want to suppress speech against Israel you can move there
Fire Them! They are more concerned about politics and grand standing than teaching the courses they are PAID to TEACH.
Fire them?! Commemorate them with a statue.
They aren't paid to be pro-genocide.
They are concerned about the right to protest, the complicity of our institutions in genocide and apartheid, and the right to shape our own institutions according to the values of universal human rights.
@@h.b.7104 So genocide is ok when it's Gaza doing it? But not the other way around....got it.
They have already MORE than protested but chanting ☠️ to all Jews is not the type of protests anyone should be supporting. Also....this is a SCHOOL...a very expensive one at that. You want to protest...go do it somewhere that doesn't interfere with people's right to the uninterrupted education they paid for.
@@Method9 Apparently they are 🙄
The pro Genocide War Criminal accomplices have joined the converstation ... GFY deviant POS
Woke staff
Sleepy incel
You say that like it's a bad thing.
It is.
Stay asleep then, hide your head in the sand and be complicit.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 It isn't. Cry more.
Oh great....
More activists in Toronto....
Just what we need...
Sorry you hate freedom, please move to China
What we need is Divestment.
Hey if you did like it move to Russia
@@Method9you could consider divesting from the school by withdrawing as a student? The school has already stated it will not cancel any partnerships in relationship to Israel that it currently has. Now you could put your money where your mouth is and literally stop funding the school by not enrolling next year. Possibly you may be in incredible debt though, but wouldn't that also be a more meaningful gesture of your commitment to this cause of yours if you were to forgo that investment? Or I guess you could also continue to act petulant.
Fire them all and hire anti-woke teachers.
Do the same, what was done to the truckers in Ottawa - horses, rubber bullets, closed bank accounts.
What makes this protest different?! Oh, let me guess - they all “woke”, so you can’t touch them, like you would normal citizens?!
This protest is different because it has not tried to shut down a city, has not tried to block international trade routes vital to Canada's economy, and has not tried to depose a democratically elected government.
They didn't even represent truckers. And they aren't trying to stage a coup.
Turn off the Rebel News, Alice.
Protesting the mass murder of civilians is the same as protesting in Ottawa over a US travel restriction - the mentally challenged facists
@@JohnMcCarthy100 👏👏👏👏👏🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉
Imagine paying to become stupid
So 🤔 UNIONS , paid with canadian union dues , are using funds to defend mostly foreign students ....
Not everybody has the genetics for it like you.
@xToxicNinjax. insulting everyone doesn’t make you right. it makes you stupid. haters going to hate. is that your genetics?
Look at the faculty.
Mad that not every Canadian looks just like you?
The protestors should camp on the teachers yard. They would call cops in seconds like when Pelsi took a few seconds to call cops on illegals camping on her front yard.
Pelosi I meant.
Don't forget what U of T did to Jordan Peterson
Deservedly so. that guy is damaged and possibly off his meds ...
Peterson's philosophy is veiled bigotry founded on religious fundamentalism. Good riddance.
Good riddance to him and his anti LGBTQ2S+ "philosophy"
Didn't they fire that commie for being an incel?
Nobody cares.
Only if these so called educators knew... #FreeGazaFromHamas Don't stand behind those cult terrorists!!! smh
Hey fool, Gaza is Hamas. Palestine is Hamas and Hamas is Gaza and Palestine.
Dismiss these wokester faculty they are truly insane.
You think people should be fired because you don't like their views? Maybe you should consider living in Moscow.
Truly insane is continuing to invest in and partner with war criminals.
Is it insane to be against genocide? To be against the murder of children?
@@Method9truly insane is to continue trying to coerce people into following your narrative. Canada will always stand with Israel and against islamist extremists such as Palestinians and Hamas.
@@h.b.7104 How about geting fired for not doing their jobs? Also clearly they are not qualified since they are all brain dead.
Trudeau's extremists 😂
Trudeau is spouting Israeli talking points towards the ICC about "false equivalency"
Method is triggered for being labeled an extremist.
Use one of your other accounts.
What's extreme about opposing genocide and calling for peace? You are basically the only goon calling me that. And it seems to be the only point you're capable of making.
There's nothing extremist about opposing genocide, calling for divestment from war crimes and advocating for peace.
My position on the 2 state solution is the same position that Canada has held for many decades.
Try making a point instead of an ad hominem, ZenCorvus. I believe in you.
@@Method9 You need to open a dictionary and look up the word genocide since you clearly are just as brain dead as all these "professors"
Please, can anyone explain to me why they are more worried about tents allegedly trespassing on a lawn than the genocide convention?
what genocide convention?
Free the hostages
❤ Israel
❤ Israel
When Jewish schools are bring shot up and Jewish hate crime attacks are skyrocketing in Canada encampment that have been found to have yahztee imagery hanging have to be dismantled because like it or not Pro Palestinian movement has failed drive out the neo yahztee and yahztee elements from their movement
Where were these people the day after 7 October last year to say anything let alone condemn Hamas brutal attack?
Cheering for it. That's where.
What a joke. To meet any demands whatsoever is insane. You are teaching lawbreakers how to get away with civil disobedience. Welcome to a world were people call activist an acceptable career path
The last people who committed a genocide ended up harangued, at the Hague and then hanged.
Hi here is a watermelon.🍉
Befuddling that the comments negative to the Students and Faculty supporting Gaza would likely have been the same commenters positive to the 2021 Truckers occupying Parliament.
If you had to think about it, do you think you could make sense out of it? Like, if it was on an exam, and you were asked to write an essay defending the view? Try it!
@@Benson_Bear I would start an essay with short briefings of the 1917 Balfour Declaration, the 1949 United Nations Resolution 194 (III), and the 1956 and 1967 Mid East wars. I would put in the essay how in each of these events the Palestinians lost their territory and freedom until October 7, 2023 when they finally struck back. I would end my essay on Israelis being an apartheid state guilty of the worst crimes since the defeat of Nazi Germany. This draft could run 10 paragraphs and 2000 words which passes for 1st and 2nd year students.
@@ralphkilloran8065 Sounds like you didn't read the question! In your defense, I didn't actually write it out (because I thought it was clear what I was getting at -- try to put yourself in their shoes, instead you just tightened the laces on your own).
So the exam question would go something like this: "Provide the best argument you can for the view that the 'Truckers' had a right to carry out their protest, while the 'Students' did not have the right to carry out theirs". I figured that if you tried your best to defend something you find befuddling, you might find it less befuddling. I am presuming here that when you refer to positive and negative comments, you are talking mainly about comments regarding whether the protests should be allowed, and not comments about whether the protesters are actually right.
Because the latter of these seems less befuddling -- you I believe were trying to suggest that the a group's right to protest should not be determined by whether or not they agree with you on the substantive issue at hand.
I might be wrong about that. But it seems those who agreed with the Truckers are more likely to think they should be allowed to protest, and those who agree with the Students are more likely to think that THEY should be allowed to protest. It would be best if everyone agreed on the right to protest one way or the other. But the two groups here will try to find things that differ between the nature of the protests and not the position on the issue they are protesting about. Such as: the students did not actually block the ROADS and make a lot of noise with HORNS.
@@Benson_Bear The public learned out after the Trucker's protests against the Jab that the government was not being honest about their vaccinations. Canadians and Americans are mostly only now becoming aware of Israelis harsh treatment to non Jewish citizens and what was before believed the truth was in fact all lies.
@ralphkilloran8065 yes- I find that perplexing too! Clearly principles are not at work here.
Do Students in Canada realise their heavily subsidised tuition payment barely keeps the lights on in a Canadian University campus?
That is one part of a multifaceted issue.
Defund the universities
You are certainly allowed (and encouraged) to express your opinions in an articulate manner. Criticize the administration for their investments and inaction on the matter. These are all part of living in a democracy.I
However, why do you believe you have the right to break the law when your "demands" are not met? You do not own the University of Toronto's land. Occupying it is the same as squatting in a home you decide to appropriate as your own. This behaviour is no different than kidnapping or hijacking. You have taken something that does not belong to you as a hostage until you get what you want. How is this any different than a terrorist organization or a human (in this case land) trafficking operation?
The encampment is both trespassing and vandalism. This is not how rational educated people behave. You are no different than any other entitled party involved on any side of this conflict. You may not be using weapons, but your rhetoric is dangerous and undertoned with violence. If you were peaceful you would not be yelling. Also, why is this the first genocide that has outraged you? Many other atrocities have taken place in other parts of the world in recent times, but this level of mobilization was absent. The only difference is that this conflict has a financial component. Clearly whoever is brainwashing you has monetary gains in their future. If this was about innocent lives there would be peaceful protests prior to October 7, 2023.
At the end of the day, tuition money goes towards faculty and staff salaries as well as some operating costs. But if you do not approve of the university's spending practices, transfer elsewhere.
Also why are you protesting at King's College Circle and not on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. The federal government has committed to exponentially more funding of Israel than any of UofT's investments.
Clown show as usual
Expelled all pro Hamas faculty worker's
So many Marxist in one spot!
Is it Marxist to be against genocide?
@@staviwavi222 It's Marxist to pretend there is a genocide when there isn't..
@@staviwavi222 no they are pro-Hamas. BDS Palestinian students have been working on these for 20 yrs to infiltrate universities and colleges.
@staviwavi222 that ideology is responsible for more deaths in history than any other. So how are they against genocide?
Looks like all our future leaders will be drama queens.
What a pathetic defense.
@Method9 truth hurts.
Lets go faculty !!
As a professor(not from UT), I DON'T support you! Shame on you!
As a professor, can you please clarify your objections to divestment from war crimes and an unfolding genocide?
F.
The “faculty” are the problem. Their weakness is why these kids - and their professional enablers - get away with this kind of terrorism.
Critical thinking is not a criteria anymore, it’s sad.
So now these students are terrorists? You're nuts.
@@bycrescentmoon8001 what is it about white people and their love of genocide?
You are disgusting! How about the West's weakness when it comes to taking a stand against genocide?
Your comment is incorrect.
Hats down to the academics. Do not be complicit in crimes against humanity. All trolls in here remember - justice always prevails. Use of force to change someone's opinion did not work in 1930 and will not work now.
the crime here is one nation wants the other wiped off the map. one nation antagonizes another with crude methods (human shields) and then cries victim, the other just wants to defend itself. and yet, that is strangely being ignored in this setting.
@@bycrescentmoon8001 You have it completely reversed. One nation cries victim as it occupies and ethnically cleanses another, shocked that they actually resist. Look at how Israel is a pariah. The world is not stupid. It has woken up to the true face of the Zionist entity.
@@bycrescentmoon8001lies. The human shield is propaganda to justify a genocide
Those are the staff that need to be fired. They are the ones teaching the students to be terrorists
Israel and their supporters are the real Nazis/ terrorists.
We need to get the out of U of T leadership.
U of T currently supporting Israeli genocide of innocent women and children.
Disgusting, cowardly traitors to humanity and Canada
Talk about pearl-clutching hyperbole. Get a grip.
@@h.b.7104 you can do all the childish insults you like but these woke morons are teaching future generations to be woke morons
You get a grip, U of T is supporting genocide in Gaza.
Get real .
Many of the protesters are Jewish.
You should be like them instead of supporting genocide
@@h.b.7104 well just look at what is happening in UK now. They can not even get rid all those radicals in UK. UK police becomes the laughing stock of UK for being weakling.
Go staff, alumni and students!!
Good 👍🏿 for the staff! The students are only doing what they taught them! Now imagine how bad it would look if the students found out what they were taught doesn't work! Refund!
Never have I been prouder than now to have been a UofT Alumnus. All the power to you faculty and students!
The law is law stop the trouble or go home and fight your fight it’s not ours
And yet we remain tangled in it financially...
we want our country back we are going to have to take it
I'm with the Indigenous people on this one ...
Indigenous or less commonly indigenous : of or relating to the earliest known inhabitants of a place and especially of a place that was colonized by a now-dominant group.
@@bycrescentmoon8001 Proud of your own genocide are you? interesting flex ...
"Students"
activists.....raised by TikTok and brainwashed by their deluded profs. What a waste of potential talent.
The world has problems. Which is one of the key reasons why we need Universities!
The situation with Palestine and Israel has been getting worse and worse for decades now. The problem will not go away by pretending it does not exist. Unfortunately, there are also many other problems that need to be addressed. The inconvenience of occasionally being reminded of these problem by tents and protestors is a small price to pay. ideally, the University community (and not the administrators) should find ways to keep the dialog going while allowing concerns to be expressed as the University continues to fulfill its mission.
and what mission would that be? there are diplomats and embassies for that. the inconvenience you so casually mention has been harassing students, damaging property and preventing graduations. I agree, I wish for peaceful resolution but it’s clear that they are not interested in that.
I appreciate the nuance of your conversation and I agree that the university as an academic institution for higher learning SHOULD be a place for dialogue. But the students' reason for the encampments is about the actions of the university as a corporate entity with billions of dollars to invest, that is not something that can be resolved in a seminar, lecture, or classroom.
Inconvenience! At the price of Jewish students and faculty members being harassed or blocked from entering their own offices or classrooms?
@@keiichicom7891 Can you provide evidence of a single person (Jewish or otherwise) being blocked by protestors from entering any building at U of T?
People can protest but encampments is another matter. The protestors don’t represent all students. If you meet all the students demands you will be setting a dangerous precedent.
I strongly encourage the faculty and others to educate themselves on the conflict and on Islamic theology that Hamas and groups like it, who run different parts of "Palestine", hold dear. An excellent read that quotes theological and contemporary historical sources is Spencer's "The History of Jihad". One must have an encyclopedic ignorance of sources and history to support the chants of the so-called protesters. I did my undergrad at UofT.
You might try to educate yourself on the history of the establishment of Israel by reading Israeli historians. Ilan Pappé and Avi Shlaim would be a good start. Happy reading.
And you might try to educate yourself on who created and funded Hamas. Then tell me it’s not by design
Anyone who is angry that the students and faculty that are exercising their protected rights as Canadians should go live in Israel. There you can report people for being critical of the government.
lol Whereas in Gaza under terrorists, you're tortured and killed for being critical of the gov't. Across the Muslim world, the rights we take for granted are almost unknown. Israel, due to being surrounded for decades by hostile forces, has to curb their inclination to have a freer democracy and you pick on that? If they didn't have tight security, they'd all be dead and overrun by the Islamists, which is goal in the Hamas charter. Read the book by the son of one of the Hamas leaders and hear their brutality and realize these people have picked that side to support.
or you can go live in Hamas occupied Gaza/Palestine and actually do some good there besides ranting and raving. If they really cared they could go give blood, give aid, give comfort..... As if screaming and chanting ever helped anyone.
@bycrescentmoon8001 Israel has become as democratic as Ukraine. Any dissent or questioning of war will have consequences!
Close the University.
Great initiative, great job students, keep the pressure on. UOfT should divest from such states who punishes innocent lives in GaZa
This is not about muzzling free opinion or debate. It is about an encampment that does not permit “Zionists” or others who affirm Israel’s right to exist from entering. Disband the encampment and continue your protest but don’t argue you have a right to seize the University’s grounds.
No state has a "right to exist" if it practices apartheid. (See Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International reports declaring Israel an apartheid state). South Africa as an apartheid state was not acceptable. Same applies to Israel.
Israel needs a non-apartheid government. A post colonial culture. And yes, I know just how impossible that sounds right now. But crazier things have happened.
Right to exist?
@@h.b.7104
God do you guys learn any "real" history?????? It wasn't, isn't and can't be an Apartheid. You either have been brain washed or you haven't taken the time to learn ALL of the history. Have more pride in yourself. Learn intelligible arguments.
How ironic that a movement against occupation is itself becoming an occupier.
exactly and the irony is lost among them. lol
except these ones aren't murdering people
@@ContentforUncles topic itself is movement against occupation, so where does "Murdering" got to do w/ the thread itself?
@@ContentforUncles if we sidestepping into another topic, sure they are not murdering people but they are overstaying and subject to trespassing law of Ontario. Sure they can protests but outside of the premises of the school per the guidelines of UFT, the owner of the school premises.
The irony is most definitely not lost on them. I would argue that it is lost on most Canadians screaming for their deportation.
hundreds of people support this encampment, tens of thousands are against. Stop with the virtue signalling. Shut this down.
I think you are imagining that legions are supporting a genocide.
First faculty member speaking cites a letter signed by 4000 alumni in support of the students.
Shutting it down is easy: Negotiate with the students' perfectly reasonable demands.
You support the use of violence against peaceful protesters?
@Method9 400,000 plus signatures asking for the resignation of a certain member in parliament didn’t make it happen… use that as a history lesson
How about some discussion and debate? We don’t care about your “demands” as if your demands make y’all a moral authority.
This is an attempt to display a protest as a labor dispute, where 1 party decides to use legal action entailing financial pressure as leverage.
This is not the case here. In no way can students use property of the University as leverage to reach their demands. That's not protest or expression, that's extortion.
The students and staff are in full liberty to cut their own financial ties with the University, as an expression of divestment.
I do hope that those that are supporting the militants in the encampment realise there are consequences to their actions. I support the Palestinians, however, there are more effective ways/places that will help them than just occupying a place. Unfortunately a deep dive into an investment portfolio is very unlikely to help due to how entangled the world is right now. That said, why aren't the protesters promoting businesses that are supporting the Palestinians? THAT would be much more effective. Negative options rarely work vs. positive re-enforcement.
I do hope that the university does expel the militant leaders and reconsider the tenure of the professors that support this. This is not a negociation. This is a hostage situation.
Faculty members of UFT became the the new faces and spokespersons of Hamas.
Of Palestinians children mainly
The hypocrisy is baffling.
Freedom of speech is foundation for democracy and should be for all. Just not those we agree with.
"I have concluded that the decision to issue the Proclamation of the Emergencies Act does not bear the hallmarks of reasonableness-justification, transparency and intelligibility, and was not justified,"
Not with ones who spit on you
Freedom to speak out about insanity and the woke mind virus is part of that foundation.
@@rickvervoort9536 What does that have to do with these people trespassing?
Freedom to speak out about insane wokesters employed in our schools is part of the freedom you mention.
The woke mind virus has infected much of the staff at UofT.
These people don’t even know what they are fighting for anymore. Just get back to work and class. This is ridiculous ‼️
These professors are weirdos
Weirdos tend to be smarter than plebeians like you.
@@h.b.7104 Not these ones lol.
They look like it, talk like it and teach like it
One side flies jets and has a billion bombs. The other can barely pitch a tent properly 😂
and they call it a war
And that’s supposed to be funny?
You all works for hamas
when this ends its not going to be pretty
Oh I agree, once we start giving military aid to Gaza...
Have you considered, maybe, negotiating with the students?
These faculty members are insane.
Opposing genocide is a core Canadian value.
I agree. @@Method9
don’t hear the so called palestinians asking to be freed from hamas, do you? and Egypt’s borders are still closed…
So much hate and nazi thoughts in the comments' section here.
Long live the Palestinian resistance! And anyone who fights for the rights and freedoms to exist as a human!
Support the country you are in first. or live in the country you support.
@@bycrescentmoon8001 you don't "support a country" by supporting its genocidal tendencies. You support a country by making it morally, economically, and politically better not worse. Also, people want to go back to live in their home countries, but because of Canadian, US, and other foreign interference that always ignite wars in other countries, they cannot go back. So it's not that people are living here because it's better, but because those countries igniting the wars don't have active wars on their own soil.
@@saraa4425 well they can stop bringing their hateful backwards ideology here and breaking laws then.
Why aren’t they worried about the homeless on our streets and tent encampments instead of acting like children
challenged the whole interpretation of private property… here comes the word salad…🤪
What about the hostages or the attack on Oct. 7th…not a mention?!?
Do you even keep up ...
They're busy holding the university hostage
What about 1948?
What about them? Do you want to start comparing the numbers?
@@Method9 also, a chunk of those deaths were cause by Israel’s Apache helicopters
Law and Order
But not when it comes to the ICC and ICJ?
lol your students arent in danger.
But we as un vaccinated people we didn't have a right, our rights were NOT HEARD ,we lost our jobs just because we refused to get vaccinated
What does this have to do with vaccines? Was that the only thing you've ever protested in your life? And you tried a coup?
That was wrong. But it's not happening anymore, and the protests by "the truckers" were about deposing a democratically elected government and blocking international trade routes. Next time learn how to protest peacefully and democratically.
@@Method9No one tried a coup, be serious now.
@@nono86753 I'm entirely serious about that. The FKJT convoy had no purpose other than to remove the PM.
@@Method9 I disagree. Had Trudeau never forced those mandates, the truckers protest would have never happened.
If those professors refuse to wave the corporate flag, then they shouldn’t be part of the corporation…simple.
They all got Psyop'd by the Iranians.
Tic Tok mind virus.
Support for faculty and thanks for standing up for justice and against harassment of students.
Why can’t a school that educates student on history and impact on the world; teachers need to teach the truth of Israel…. Remember both Palestine and the new Israel are being occupied…. Will the true hebrews please stand up?!?!!!?
From the Anishinaabi: "Five of the six universities on the MCFN Treaty Lands have pro-Palestinian encampments on them. Not one consulted the MCFN about encampments being set up on our Treaty Lands. Not one consulted the MCFN about the manner in which encampment occupiers and pro-Palestinian protesters behave on our Treaty Lands. No consultation took place about excluding Jewish and Zionist students and faculty from any part of our Treaty Lands or limiting their use and enjoyment of our Treaty Lands. Exclusion, bigotry, harassment, antisemitism, lawlessness, and hate are being permitted on and throughout our Treaty Lands. All of which is contrary to The Seven Sacred Teachings, the Rule of Law in Canada, and disregard the duty to consult and the essence of land acknowledgements." All Canadians are shamed when CP24 provides a platform to these faculty monsters.
well said. 💯👍
This is from TWO Anishinaabi who have declared themselves Zionists. Few first nations people support Zionism. They represent only themselves and have no tribal authority.
@@h.b.7104 Again more nonsense from the expert on EVERYTHING.
@@jeffspicolli593 Jeffy, you can easily find this column in the National Post. It was written by tWO people who call themselves Anishinaabe Zionists. It is not an official statement of the Mississauga of the New Credit First Nation.
@@jeffspicolli593 Facts hurt don't they? When you spew lies, expect to be challenged.
All should be fired.
For opposing genocide? Unlikely.
@@Method9 For being derelict in their duties. The student are paying for an education and these clowns are not providing that. Also there is no genocide you clown.
@@Method9 How about for not being qualified since they are clearly showing us how brain dead they are?
@@Method9 You need a dictionary.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 You need a conscience and a clue.
Thank You Student Body and the support of the staff. GOD BLESS YOU
God Bless Israel to be free forever from terrorists.
May Allah bless these Israelis forever and ever.
@@janeclayton151 how will that happen when you keep creating them.
Great quote! Respect & support.
How is the Jewish Faculty Network in support of Hamas? Incredible!
The woker mind virus causes people to do very strange and opposite things.
In support of the Palestinians, not the zios
Maybe you should use the two brain cells you have and try to comprehend why Jewish faculty stand against war crimes and say that Israel does not represent their values. It's quite a profound and courageous thing they are doing and they deserve not to be smeared for their moral clarity about what Israel is doing.
@tritoneproduction7556 The answer is above your IQ.
They are there to steer the discussion towards an anticolonial angle and redirect the hatred towards white people.
Thank you University of Toronto faculty!!!!! This is a historical time. We, as Canadians have the duty to be on the right side of history!
we as Canadians have the freedom to decide for ourselves, and that is something worthy to defend, in the face of other nations trying to tell us, shame us or force us what to do.
Canadians were murdered on Oct. 7
How can we possibly decide for ourselves without disclosure?
So you believe we ARE all going to be ruled by Islamofascists and better jump on board now? How long do you give Canada before it is taken over like Iran?
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
free gaza from hamas!
What river and what sea
@@lisaboyle72 the ones that boarder Palestine.
From the river to the sea, faculty stupidity is infinity
@@bycrescentmoon8001free Gaza from Israel
Thank you Faculty
U of t hired them and now have to deal with it.
Oh, but they're probably diverse and committed to social justice. And think supporting a terrorist regime somewhere falls under that umbrella.
@@kathym.248 Pro-peace, anti-genocide protests are diametrically opposite to your mischaracterization.
Your tax dollars at work
Our tax dollars are making the "humanitarian crisis" worse.
Dear God,,,
It's spreading ..
We're doomed.. .
If you want no part of this, can you please clarify your objections to divestment from this mess?
Now we know where this all started….
I think some people are just deserving to live in a ‘1948’ society
@@grimreapergaming9404 I think you mean 1984. Orwell, right? Big brother is watching you.
@@182kramer lol
What about the CITIZENS?
They hanged an efigy of Netenyahu here in Montreal.
He is a war criminal.
Freeeeeeeeeeeeee Palestine 🇵🇸✌️💪
✊️👏
these profs are demonstrating utmost bravery. proud of them. love and solidarity from the uOttawa encampment
It is not brave to scream and rant and camp in a tent. It would be braver to give blood, to give Aid, to join the Red Cross or the Red Crescent, to do a humanitarian mission, or become a volunteer with Doctors Without Borders....Now that would be Brave.
We stand with Israel 🇮🇱 Canada 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Since when do students make demands of an educational institution?
Engage in discourse, dialogue, debate, disagreement. All intelligent means of communication.
Demands are made by those lacking in intellectual capacity because they have no choice. You have a choice and you are choosing this. What lesson are you teaching your students? Throw a tantrum like a toddler without the knowledge of how to use language?
I would be curious how you, the faculty, will respond when your students use these same tactics to protest their marks on essays and exams.
What is a Petigeon ? Asking for a friend, ...
How long is a quarter of an hour?
Just asking for a friend eh!😎🤣😇🤠👨🔧🤟
To her last question. YES
These children have demands..so?..my dog has demands
If your dog told you to stop investing in a nation committing war crimes, your dog would still be right.
@Method9 don't be inane..if your neighbor started shooting up your house..are you just gonna crawl around or go kick ass but good?
@@darkenrahl5213 And if your neighbour bulldozed your house to make room for his own, would you throw a rock back?
Do you know what happens to the kids in the West Bank that do that?
good one
They can speak out in gaza
don't know why
Quantity of hate comments here is shocking, inhumane as if you are not watching what's going on in Palestine.
Right wing trolls are vile, uneducated cretins.
Hamas is responsible for what's happening in Gaza. If they had not attacked Israel, this would not have happened. If they release the hostages and surrender, then there would be no more bombings. Obviously, you choose to ignore the atrocities committed against the Israelis.
@larrykim8435 I don't know why people focus just with happened on October 7th the conflict has a much longer history. Educate yourself go read and watch documentaries
@@larrykim8435 Israeli apartheid and associated violence has existed long before Oct. 7. Read the reports of Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International on Israeli apartheid. If you care, that is.
Where are the tents for the >1 million innocent Muslim civilians, mostly women and children, who have died (so far...) as a result of the ongoing civil wars in Yeman and Syria? What is your definition of "genocide"? The population of Gaza has gone up ~5x over the last 70 years, there hasn't been any Jews living in Gaza for ~20 years (while many Muslim can and do live and work in Israel), and what about the border with Egypt that Gaza shares, is Egypt also committing genocide? During a war civilians die, but the ratio of civilian to combatant in this one is on the low end of an urban conflict and ~40,000 trucks with aid (over 3000 calories per person per day - more than I eat in Canada!) have gone in, as well as weeks notice of military operations so can move out of harms way. Why do so many (usually fathers) decide to stay instead of move a few km north of the city?
But, would any of this be going on if Hamas and others kept firing rockets and attacking Israel, because of their hatred of the Jews as per Islamic sources? Israel allows Muslims to live and work within their borders, and hold high ranking positions, can Jews do that in Islamic countries, in Gaza?
Adults like these wanting to hang out with kids on campus is weird …. Stay away from our kids
Huh? These are professors and students at a university. They are not "hanging out with kids". Everyone is an adult.
Trudeau does a lot of that too. cringey stuff.
@@h.b.7104 Could have fooled me.
Sub-adults at best.
Everyone on campus is an adult
@@bycrescentmoon8001
You would not recognize the best and most progressive leader of Canada in 60 years. Finally he is attempting to pass stuff waiting from when Harper just sold or shut down everything.
Many can't identify with true freedom that does not infringe on others' rights.
Librarians!
Laws mean nothing now.
Fired them now
Why?
Great justification, Shirley. Really convincing.
5000 gazan' s are getting Visa's to come here now. The Jewish elementary school is this the beginning
I pity the Jewish students and the Jewish people here in Canada who are receiving such anti-semitic vitriol. JT is an enabler.
Do they have a suspect in the school shooting that so conveniently happened in the middle of the night?
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