OMG The moment you said Illumi wants an AI of his own and that he went to team up with Kalluto, the idea that Illumi will use Kalluto as a host for an AI is a horrifying thought and with the theory of Kalluto being so jealous of Alluka because she has Killua's attention (and the family's) that he would go along with Illumi only for him to become exactly like Alluka in an attempt to be useful and 'loved' by his brother and family makes it all the more tragic.
I thought the exact same thing and expected succwar to mention it too. If this is the case, I trust Togashi to make this a tragic end for Illumi and Kalluto because the possibility of Illumi having that level of power will be the worst form of evil in HxH. Thematically, only a good-hearted person should acquire that kinda power.
AND he took the contract with hisoka so the clown cant kill kalluto if it ever comes to that? which is why he teams with kalluto instead of any of the phantom troupe, he wants to protect them so they can host ai, and it needs to be kalluto to host ai in order for him to have full control like killua... if the phantom troupe succeeds, his plan is easy and even if hisoka succeeds, illumi kills him and his goal is intact.
fr i'm going insane with this, it makes so much sense, it fixes all the weird things about the situation. succwar should shoit u out, u figured it out.
Here's a crazy thought - Kurapika hired the Zoldyck family to kill the Spiders, with an indefinite time limit. That's why Kalluto joined in the first place, to spy on the troupe so other family members could go in for the kill. I think that this is an Illumi + Kalluto job and that Kurapika simply gave no time limit on the job itself. I mean Kurapika is a mafia boss, and now even a zodiac member, so it seems reasonable that he would have the funds. And he has close enough personal ties to the Zoldyck family to see them in action and know how they measure up to the Phantom Troupe. I don't think the Zoldycks are keeping Kurapika in on their actions, but I do think he knows that they're working with him. It's not like he's opposed to having spies inside the troupe, since he's done it before.
hisoka and illumi will take each other out in the freak off of the century on tier 1 of the black whale honestly though i’m really excited to see what illumi and kalluto are planning, this arc is full of subplots which are slowly converging upon eachother and it just gets better and better!!
I was looking for a comment like this so I wouldn’t have to say it myself. Whilst I mostly agree with this, the digging into it does make sense and I can see the potential double meaning behind it.
I'm pretty sure Illumi holding the flower has a much simpler explanation. The flower represents Uvogin, whose spot he took in the Troupe. Kalluto isn't holding a flower because Hisoka isn't dead (anymore), and Pakunoda's, Shalnark's, and Kortopi's flowers aren't held because none of their spots were filled.
I still can't believe that your channel is new in quality videos on another level, distinguished by creative ideas, and very different from most hxh content creators.
Illumi's ability is perfect to replace the loss of shalnark and kortopi for chrollo, with illumi's ability chrollo could control houndreds of people at once and storm hisoka with numbers and the sun and moon seals once more, leaving chrollo with one extra space for another ability. Even if hisoka already knows how to counter that strategy at the very least that limits the options of moves that hisoka could make in a fight and makes him more predictable and easy to attack for chrollo. I just wanna see more illumi greatness i wanna see him fight with an equal to him, a zodicar or a spider.
Illumi is really the goat manipulator of the series he has 3 types of manipulation techs soliciting(what he did to killua) coercive (corpse control) and pseudo coercive (needle people)
glad i voted for this video, well thought out as always. I will say, i doubt Illumi will need to manipulate kalluto verbally or with nen, I suspect if he says jump kalluto will jump. I also do wonder if illumi is working with Hisoka, he probably does plan to use kalloto for recon and the let hisoka do most of the murder, but Hisoka definitly plans on killing Illumi, and I'm not certain if Illumi plans on returning the favor. Illumi has always been confident that he is a match for Hisoka, and Hisoka definitly thinks Illumi is worth fighting but I have to wonder if Illumi has any real chance of taking on Hisoka even after he has been in several fights. Illumis confidence is definitly more valuable than some peoples, since his whole thing is never take a fight you aren't certain you can win, but we will see if he can live up to that. Again, I'm not even certain that Illumi thinks he is going to fight Hisoka by the end of this.
@@SuccWarCentral well if you do i will be there. I've alwase thought of kalluto as Killua if he never went through a rebellious phase but if you think that's wrong I would hardly mind seeing my favorite zoldych get more independent.
I feel like another chapter with Kalluto would really clear all this up. That's what we need right now to see where Illumi's trying to take their relation and dynamic. Definitely makes sense though that he would try and use Kalluto as the next host of AI. Like we just need just a little more of their interactions to clear up what's going to happen here. @@evino7491
I love schemes as much as the next guy, but I honestly think ppl are overlooking the fact that Illumi probably just wants to protect his little sibling from that freaky clown. We see the complicated relationship Illumi has with Alluka/Nanika, but we can’t just assume that he feels the same way abt Kalluto. For all we know, Illumi “loves” Kalluto as much as he “loves” Killua, and we already saw how he reacted when Hisoka threatened Killua. I know it’s kinda boring, but it makes the most sense to me, especially since Hisoka definitely wants to fight Illumi at some point, too. With that being said, the theory that he wants to find another Ai on the Dark Continent is a very compelling one. He’s full on competing w Killua atp, and the tactical monkeys paw little sibling is exactly what he needs to keep up.
@SuccWarCentral We need to put into consideration the disruptive effect of Morena on plans made pre-boarding the ship. We are seeing Hei-ily increasingly becoming a problem even rascals like the spiders consider a source of global chaos. And we see week after week why priorities outside the succession war have to shift to Morena...AND IT WILL. In fact, Morena is more of a bigger threat than Tserri whose victims will only be guards and princes. Morena is free for all. Also, the fact that Morena's hideout was specially constructed for her means she's part of a bigger plan possibly by Nasubi. This means the Zodiacs will need to get involved at some point to investigate the foul play in the planning of the journey. I strongly believe Morena will be the centre of all the chaos below Tier 1. Any agenda against the spiders was just a RED HERRING. Wang was instructed to inform the other spiders about Morena. Let's see how Illumi reacts to the new.
0:13 Of course Franklin called Kalluto a "she", Franklin doesn't know him and he looks and dresses like a girl. It would be weird if Franklin called him a "he"
Yup, I knew something is terrible off with Illumi the moment he said yes they are there. But there it's a problem in your theory. Nearly impossible for Kaluto to keep track of other spiders without being detected by Chrollo now. Besides that, some of the spiders are in groups like for example, Feitan Phinks and Nobunaga were a while ago. Hard to believe they didn't realized yet. And even if they couldn't, someone else could for sure. Since they encountered tons of nen users by now and they were working along with other 2 mafia families that can get cautions enough on their move.
Illumi to me seems to be an assassin so I always assumed he was hired to assassinate someone and everything he doing is to achieve that goal. I don’t think hisoka is the target. Troupe members does make sense but I’d think his motivation is that someone hired him to.
It always struck me how lax the recruitment process into the phantom troupe is. First Hisoka, then Kalluto, now Illumi. It almost feels like Chrollo will just recruit anyone who applies
I still feel like Illumi is 100% capping. In one of the covers the phantom troupe was drawn as chibi's, with flowers representing the dead troupe members. He is holding one of flowers and his mouth is hidden.
good theory, but illumi is holding the flower because he replaced the dead spider spot (uvo, they are both #11), a better evidence for your theory is that he's the only spider drawn without a mouth
I like to add that illumi is fiercely loyal and protective of his family (especially his younger siblings killua) so maybe either kalluto or hisoka talked with him about what happened and he realized that killing the spiders is easier because killing hisoka will be personal since they have a relationship and becoming a member of the phantom troupe has no actual benefits
Yo, solid video. I almost made a very similar video to this when I was debating trying to start a channel for these new chapters. But this totally blows that out of the water
fun fact . . . most if not all (except those who died already) of the hunter who graduated from the same batch as GON are in the ship. and all of them are on higher tier floor of the ship. it is probably either they are a licensed hunter which gave them VIP ticket or they are hired by a prince because they are a licensed hunter.
YALL PLEASE STICK WITH ME I LIKE this theory, but I think there’s MORE evidence to back up the “hisoka IS illumi” theory. I would argue Illumis’ purpose STILL isn’t over with killua and alluka, but is still ACTIVELY looking for them OFF the black whale. I think the biggest foreshadow moment for this theory is the cover art for both volumes with the phantom troupe you used in the video 12 and 36. For example, it’s SUGGESTED that hisokas NEW bungee gum could alter appearances at a higher level than before. This is where it gets GOOOD. Note, In the first cover (12) Uvo is in the middle, hisoka is wearing GREEN JUMPSUIT. In the second cover (36) illumi(hisoka) is in the middle holding Uvos flower while also wearing the SAME jumpsuit?! Hisoka was responsible for all of the FLOWERS planted and he’s posing as illumi to PLANT the rest. Also illumi is the only one who doesn’t have LIPS in the cover, but the SECOND page of that cover has a drawing of lips most likely a flamboyant clown would posses, HISOKA!! There’s still a lot more evidence that’s still not confirmed but this theory is my favorite
Come to think of it, in greed island Hisoka knew kalluto was hiding even tho he was using zetsu. Hisoka knew not out of instinct but because he was the one hiring kalluto. Kalluto spying on the troupe during meteor city arc was a hint that he really is a spy. How did the troupe about kalluto’s ability at the first place? Because they didnt. Illumi told hisoka about him and then hisoka hired him to join the troupe and made it looks like the troupe found him themself. Kalluto is a zoldick, he doesnt do a work for free. Why would he join the troupe for free?
He makes everyone think he’s stupid but in reality he’s right up there with Chrollo and Hisoka. He’s just waiting for this to finish to either do something or gather something once this is all over so him and his little brother Kaluto can return to the zoldycks these guys always have a plan. Possibly when it’s done Togashi will lead us back to Killua or something
I don’t think any of the troupe trust the Zoldycks and that’s why Machi is on the same tier as them to keep tabs on them. Machi can track people with her strings and I’m sure they know Kalluto can spy on them. I’m pretty sure he’s counting on them to betray them somehow BUT I think Illumi isn’t lying when he says he’s there to kill Hisoka.
@@mattb.7079 In Chapter 77, after Uvogin fought the Shadow beasts and Kurapika kidnapped him, Machi threw a needle into Uvogin just before he got pulled away in order to track Uvo’s location. She even notes that her thread will follow Uvogin to the ends of the Earth, which means it likely has really good range.
this one is very confusing, i would say he took the job to get into the black whale 1, but he is probably wealthier than hisoka, so that makes no sense, the troupe basically stowed away but he had a ticket... its really mysterious why he took the contract, if he wants to get to the dc, maybe he just doesnt turn down contracts? cant do sonmmething of his own volitiob if a contract isnt at play? to keep kalluto alive so they can host ai?
@ Because it's not a contract. He clearly states its him and hisokas relationship agreement. There's nothing else to it. Hisoka wanted to fight him and kalluto anyway and it just makes sense that he illumi would join.
also the volume cover shows him holding uvogin's flower, which to me represents that he's going to become a sort of "nexus" of the events of the story, same way uvogin was, he's gonna stir shit up
Sylva already told illumi not to miss with the troupe. I dont think illumi wants that beef. Also is it possible that neon is alive and kurapika returned her ability to her and asked her to show him his fortune.
compelling evidence but ultimately Story boards change until their eventual release. We have seen Hints of Togashi having had potential different ideas for Storylines before all over the place and perhaps discarded story lines. I could see your scenario happening but perhaps we get it with a spin or not at all. Another mention of Hisoka being down playing Fair would also feed into your Argument. But that begs to question why Hisoka lets himself be most likely be tracked by bono and he refuses to take action.. Does he want to let the spiders clash with everybody else first ?
i think there is 50% chance that we will get dark continent ark. If it happens, the characters that will be there will be Leorio and Kilua. I don't think Kurapika or Gon will end up at DC
Isn't Chrollo always stupid ? He invited all his friends to evil just so they can avenge Sarasa and became the exact people they are hunting for revenge. Because of his decision to form the Spider, he attracted Hisoka. He didn't listen to the advice and suspicion of his good friend Nobunaga about Hisoka betraying them in York New City. He didn't ask Paku to check if Hisoka is lying. He could have return Shalnark's phone right after he finished Hisoka but instead he said to Shalnark that he'll return it at the Black Whale ship. 😂😂😂
OMG The moment you said Illumi wants an AI of his own and that he went to team up with Kalluto, the idea that Illumi will use Kalluto as a host for an AI is a horrifying thought and with the theory of Kalluto being so jealous of Alluka because she has Killua's attention (and the family's) that he would go along with Illumi only for him to become exactly like Alluka in an attempt to be useful and 'loved' by his brother and family makes it all the more tragic.
I thought the exact same thing and expected succwar to mention it too. If this is the case, I trust Togashi to make this a tragic end for Illumi and Kalluto because the possibility of Illumi having that level of power will be the worst form of evil in HxH. Thematically, only a good-hearted person should acquire that kinda power.
that's actually a great idea you might be onto something there
you cooked here, yunmy😊
AND he took the contract with hisoka so the clown cant kill kalluto if it ever comes to that? which is why he teams with kalluto instead of any of the phantom troupe, he wants to protect them so they can host ai, and it needs to be kalluto to host ai in order for him to have full control like killua... if the phantom troupe succeeds, his plan is easy and even if hisoka succeeds, illumi kills him and his goal is intact.
fr i'm going insane with this, it makes so much sense, it fixes all the weird things about the situation. succwar should shoit u out, u figured it out.
This must the gayest week for shonen, we got the lesbian hxh chapter, the straw hats sailing on a rainbow AND an Illumi video
Shonen be shonening
love wins
can't say the same for my hero...
*peak lesbian HxH chapter
they didnt even show the kiss bruh
as one of three illumi defenders i lept out of my chair when i saw this in my notifs
I LOVE HIM TOO
There's also another simple explanation, he was sent by Papa Zoldyck to babysit Kalluto.
Considering how he only cares about killuas growth I doubt this is true
Here's a crazy thought - Kurapika hired the Zoldyck family to kill the Spiders, with an indefinite time limit. That's why Kalluto joined in the first place, to spy on the troupe so other family members could go in for the kill. I think that this is an Illumi + Kalluto job and that Kurapika simply gave no time limit on the job itself. I mean Kurapika is a mafia boss, and now even a zodiac member, so it seems reasonable that he would have the funds. And he has close enough personal ties to the Zoldyck family to see them in action and know how they measure up to the Phantom Troupe. I don't think the Zoldycks are keeping Kurapika in on their actions, but I do think he knows that they're working with him. It's not like he's opposed to having spies inside the troupe, since he's done it before.
hisoka and illumi will take each other out in the freak off of the century on tier 1 of the black whale
honestly though i’m really excited to see what illumi and kalluto are planning, this arc is full of subplots which are slowly converging upon eachother and it just gets better and better!!
I appreciate how this moves the thumbnails question from "Is Illumi stupid?" to "Is CHROLLO stupid?"
illimumi is holding uvogins flower in that volume cover bc he replaced him
I was looking for a comment like this so I wouldn’t have to say it myself. Whilst I mostly agree with this, the digging into it does make sense and I can see the potential double meaning behind it.
Look at Machi eyes towards Illumi very sussy. I believe in Machi hunch
Chrollo’s philosophy with illumi: Keep your friends close, enemies closer.
And Machi’s secret mission is to keep track of Illumi.
I'm pretty sure Illumi holding the flower has a much simpler explanation.
The flower represents Uvogin, whose spot he took in the Troupe.
Kalluto isn't holding a flower because Hisoka isn't dead (anymore), and Pakunoda's, Shalnark's, and Kortopi's flowers aren't held because none of their spots were filled.
I wanna see nobunaga duel that horse zodiac
I still can't believe that your channel is new in quality videos on another level, distinguished by creative ideas, and very different from most hxh content creators.
Illumi's ability is perfect to replace the loss of shalnark and kortopi for chrollo, with illumi's ability chrollo could control houndreds of people at once and storm hisoka with numbers and the sun and moon seals once more, leaving chrollo with one extra space for another ability.
Even if hisoka already knows how to counter that strategy at the very least that limits the options of moves that hisoka could make in a fight and makes him more predictable and easy to attack for chrollo.
I just wanna see more illumi greatness i wanna see him fight with an equal to him, a zodicar or a spider.
Illumi is really the goat manipulator of the series he has 3 types of manipulation techs soliciting(what he did to killua) coercive (corpse control) and pseudo coercive (needle people)
I simply think that Illumi is holding Uvo’s flower because he replaced his number in the cover art
your videos are very good, love the narration and the sense of humor
tbh, i think he ws hired to kill a mafia family
glad i voted for this video, well thought out as always. I will say, i doubt Illumi will need to manipulate kalluto verbally or with nen, I suspect if he says jump kalluto will jump. I also do wonder if illumi is working with Hisoka, he probably does plan to use kalloto for recon and the let hisoka do most of the murder, but Hisoka definitly plans on killing Illumi, and I'm not certain if Illumi plans on returning the favor. Illumi has always been confident that he is a match for Hisoka, and Hisoka definitly thinks Illumi is worth fighting but I have to wonder if Illumi has any real chance of taking on Hisoka even after he has been in several fights. Illumis confidence is definitly more valuable than some peoples, since his whole thing is never take a fight you aren't certain you can win, but we will see if he can live up to that. Again, I'm not even certain that Illumi thinks he is going to fight Hisoka by the end of this.
I believe Illumi THINKS Kalluto will jump at his words; but I have my doubts. Maybe I'll do a Kalluto video sometime to explain...
@@SuccWarCentral well if you do i will be there. I've alwase thought of kalluto as Killua if he never went through a rebellious phase but if you think that's wrong I would hardly mind seeing my favorite zoldych get more independent.
I feel like another chapter with Kalluto would really clear all this up. That's what we need right now to see where Illumi's trying to take their relation and dynamic. Definitely makes sense though that he would try and use Kalluto as the next host of AI. Like we just need just a little more of their interactions to clear up what's going to happen here.
@@evino7491
I love schemes as much as the next guy, but I honestly think ppl are overlooking the fact that Illumi probably just wants to protect his little sibling from that freaky clown. We see the complicated relationship Illumi has with Alluka/Nanika, but we can’t just assume that he feels the same way abt Kalluto. For all we know, Illumi “loves” Kalluto as much as he “loves” Killua, and we already saw how he reacted when Hisoka threatened Killua. I know it’s kinda boring, but it makes the most sense to me, especially since Hisoka definitely wants to fight Illumi at some point, too.
With that being said, the theory that he wants to find another Ai on the Dark Continent is a very compelling one. He’s full on competing w Killua atp, and the tactical monkeys paw little sibling is exactly what he needs to keep up.
Maybe Kalluto ends up betraying Illumi as he considers the spiders more of a family than the Zoldyck psychos
Exactly my thoughts - but those belong in another video.
@SuccWarCentral We need to put into consideration the disruptive effect of Morena on plans made pre-boarding the ship.
We are seeing Hei-ily increasingly becoming a problem even rascals like the spiders consider a source of global chaos. And we see week after week why priorities outside the succession war have to shift to Morena...AND IT WILL. In fact, Morena is more of a bigger threat than Tserri whose victims will only be guards and princes. Morena is free for all.
Also, the fact that Morena's hideout was specially constructed for her means she's part of a bigger plan possibly by Nasubi. This means the Zodiacs will need to get involved at some point to investigate the foul play in the planning of the journey.
I strongly believe Morena will be the centre of all the chaos below Tier 1. Any agenda against the spiders was just a RED HERRING. Wang was instructed to inform the other spiders about Morena. Let's see how Illumi reacts to the new.
0:42 😂😂😂 You know Hisoka be at all the freaky parties in the HxH world. That Bungee Gum and Texture Suprise have a whole new level of application 😮
Don't think it hasn't occurred to me!
He a FAN 😂
0:13 Of course Franklin called Kalluto a "she", Franklin doesn't know him and he looks and dresses like a girl. It would be weird if Franklin called him a "he"
the image captions sent me lol
My manipulative toxic goat Illumi mentioned⁉️
Brooo illumi never lies 😤
Yup, I knew something is terrible off with Illumi the moment he said yes they are there. But there it's a problem in your theory. Nearly impossible for Kaluto to keep track of other spiders without being detected by Chrollo now.
Besides that, some of the spiders are in groups like for example, Feitan Phinks and Nobunaga were a while ago. Hard to believe they didn't realized yet. And even if they couldn't, someone else could for sure. Since they encountered tons of nen users by now and they were working along with other 2 mafia families that can get cautions enough on their move.
Using cover art as proof is not a stretch at all. Togashi knows what hes doing.
Loved that comparison at the end. If your theory is true then the orange man will be an even better comparison
Illumi to me seems to be an assassin so I always assumed he was hired to assassinate someone and everything he doing is to achieve that goal. I don’t think hisoka is the target. Troupe members does make sense but I’d think his motivation is that someone hired him to.
Illumi prob teamed up with kalluto to keep him safe from all the trouble going on.
ingenious video. Great content!
It always struck me how lax the recruitment process into the phantom troupe is. First Hisoka, then Kalluto, now Illumi. It almost feels like Chrollo will just recruit anyone who applies
I still feel like Illumi is 100% capping. In one of the covers the phantom troupe was drawn as chibi's, with flowers representing the dead troupe members. He is holding one of flowers and his mouth is hidden.
I sent that before watching the video, how'd you read my mind 5:22
Hisoka and Illumi are homies nothing new and I thought about that since Illumi joined the phantom troupe.
good theory, but illumi is holding the flower because he replaced the dead spider spot (uvo, they are both #11), a better evidence for your theory is that he's the only spider drawn without a mouth
I like to add that illumi is fiercely loyal and protective of his family (especially his younger siblings killua) so maybe either kalluto or hisoka talked with him about what happened and he realized that killing the spiders is easier because killing hisoka will be personal since they have a relationship and becoming a member of the phantom troupe has no actual benefits
Yo, solid video. I almost made a very similar video to this when I was debating trying to start a channel for these new chapters. But this totally blows that out of the water
Nah that Clussy line killed me 😂😂😂
Whata nice shot
😮 7:44
Thank you for the illumi video, one of the only characters that didn’t really feel right on the black whale
fun fact . . . most if not all (except those who died already) of the hunter who graduated from the same batch as GON are in the ship.
and all of them are on higher tier floor of the ship.
it is probably either they are a licensed hunter which gave them VIP ticket
or they are hired by a prince because they are a licensed hunter.
YALL PLEASE STICK WITH ME
I LIKE this theory, but I think there’s MORE evidence to back up the “hisoka IS illumi” theory. I would argue Illumis’ purpose STILL isn’t over with killua and alluka, but is still ACTIVELY looking for them OFF the black whale. I think the biggest foreshadow moment for this theory is the cover art for both volumes with the phantom troupe you used in the video 12 and 36. For example, it’s SUGGESTED that hisokas NEW bungee gum could alter appearances at a higher level than before. This is where it gets GOOOD. Note, In the first cover (12) Uvo is in the middle, hisoka is wearing GREEN JUMPSUIT. In the second cover (36) illumi(hisoka) is in the middle holding Uvos flower while also wearing the SAME jumpsuit?! Hisoka was responsible for all of the FLOWERS planted and he’s posing as illumi to PLANT the rest. Also illumi is the only one who doesn’t have LIPS in the cover, but the SECOND page of that cover has a drawing of lips most likely a flamboyant clown would posses, HISOKA!! There’s still a lot more evidence that’s still not confirmed but this theory is my favorite
Only way Chrollo doesn't seem mentally deficient is if he expect Kalluto to betray Illumi for the spooder 😆
With the cover art theories, there r multiple ways u can take it. Some ppl saying illumi is already dead, or will die in the near future
Illumi is on boat because Hisoka is there...
Afterall they are engaged.
duhh this is so silly. 🤦♀️
7:15 and if he/she doesn't he/she will cooperate anyway...
Come to think of it, in greed island Hisoka knew kalluto was hiding even tho he was using zetsu. Hisoka knew not out of instinct but because he was the one hiring kalluto. Kalluto spying on the troupe during meteor city arc was a hint that he really is a spy. How did the troupe about kalluto’s ability at the first place? Because they didnt. Illumi told hisoka about him and then hisoka hired him to join the troupe and made it looks like the troupe found him themself. Kalluto is a zoldick, he doesnt do a work for free. Why would he join the troupe for free?
My daily dose of HxH yapping
He makes everyone think he’s stupid but in reality he’s right up there with Chrollo and Hisoka. He’s just waiting for this to finish to either do something or gather something once this is all over so him and his little brother Kaluto can return to the zoldycks these guys always have a plan. Possibly when it’s done Togashi will lead us back to Killua or something
the one issue I’ve always had with the troupe is how sloppy their vetting seems to be for acquiring new members
I don’t think any of the troupe trust the Zoldycks and that’s why Machi is on the same tier as them to keep tabs on them. Machi can track people with her strings and I’m sure they know Kalluto can spy on them.
I’m pretty sure he’s counting on them to betray them somehow BUT I think Illumi isn’t lying when he says he’s there to kill Hisoka.
Since when can Machi do that?
@@mattb.7079 In Chapter 77, after Uvogin fought the Shadow beasts and Kurapika kidnapped him, Machi threw a needle into Uvogin just before he got pulled away in order to track Uvo’s location. She even notes that her thread will follow Uvogin to the ends of the Earth, which means it likely has really good range.
@ remember when Kurapika captured and drove off? The troupe was able to follow them because Machi put a needle on him.
@@t3qnix110 thanks, i forgor
Hisoka just wouldn't ask for help imo. He wants to kill the spiders on his own and I think the simplist answer is Illumi didn't lie.
this one is very confusing, i would say he took the job to get into the black whale 1, but he is probably wealthier than hisoka, so that makes no sense, the troupe basically stowed away but he had a ticket... its really mysterious why he took the contract, if he wants to get to the dc, maybe he just doesnt turn down contracts? cant do sonmmething of his own volitiob if a contract isnt at play? to keep kalluto alive so they can host ai?
@ Because it's not a contract. He clearly states its him and hisokas relationship agreement. There's nothing else to it. Hisoka wanted to fight him and kalluto anyway and it just makes sense that he illumi would join.
thx bro love ur vids
Also hisoka might go after illumi family and I think he still cares about them (nanika situation apart)
also the volume cover shows him holding uvogin's flower, which to me represents that he's going to become a sort of "nexus" of the events of the story, same way uvogin was, he's gonna stir shit up
9:43 LMAO
Sylva already told illumi not to miss with the troupe. I dont think illumi wants that beef. Also is it possible that neon is alive and kurapika returned her ability to her and asked her to show him his fortune.
I believe what Sylva specifically said was, "avoid them." The Zoldyck kids do not be listening to dear old dad...
100% agree and have said the same thing since he was announced as a member. To me it just doesn’t make any logical sense for him to be hunting Hisoka.
compelling evidence but ultimately Story boards change until their eventual release. We have seen Hints of Togashi having had potential different ideas for Storylines before all over the place and perhaps discarded story lines. I could see your scenario happening but perhaps we get it with a spin or not at all.
Another mention of Hisoka being down playing Fair would also feed into your Argument. But that begs to question why Hisoka lets himself be most likely be tracked by bono and he refuses to take action.. Does he want to let the spiders clash with everybody else first ?
whoa, hey.. easy
i think there is 50% chance that we will get dark continent ark. If it happens, the characters that will be there will be Leorio and Kilua. I don't think Kurapika or Gon will end up at DC
9:34 😂
Illumi is stronger than Hisoka
Hi CJ
This is a thought out and plausible theory. I’m still going to yell at you though.
Isn't Chrollo always stupid ? He invited all his friends to evil just so they can avenge Sarasa and became the exact people they are hunting for revenge.
Because of his decision to form the Spider, he attracted Hisoka.
He didn't listen to the advice and suspicion of his good friend Nobunaga about Hisoka betraying them in York New City.
He didn't ask Paku to check if Hisoka is lying.
He could have return Shalnark's phone right after he finished Hisoka but instead he said to Shalnark that he'll return it at the Black Whale ship.
😂😂😂
Nice theory
Explain Hisoka 10 left comment then? People never can.
Easy; Hisoka plans on killing Illumi anyway, even though they're working together. That comment doesn't contradict anything I said.
I've spot Luffy
The flower is pink? He might kill Machi lol 😭😭
Wonder if him kiIIing Machi would start beef with him and Hisoka.. since Hisoka is fond of Machi.
I will cry if this happens
Is this a different way of saying that he erects when a strong person rejects him? @@XXX_2900
what does he even do
Kalluto sucks
EXCUSE YOU THAT'S A WHOLE CHILD
@@SuccWarCentral You're right, sorry
Good edit
Chrollo is the most stupid character by far, lets be honest, he NEVER made a clever move... or even display being strong