@@jasonfrost6448 what are you talking about head coach for the browns in 2018 was Gregg Williams head coach in 2017 was Hue Jackson plus Kizer was the 52nd pick the coaches should’ve known not to start a 2nd rounder right away
Yeah, that's literally jumping too soon. Had he stayed another year I think he would have been in much better shape. Also, he probably wouldn't have been drafted by the Browns.
That should have been the answer inside the video. This video is just "RUclips clickbait in a nutshell". Asking "what went wrong" and then just starting to talk 10 minutes about his stats and teams. That's got nothing to do with journalism ... Should be "the system did not fit", "he was immature" or "the coaches didn't trust him", etc. But not: he went from team to team ....
He should've definitely stayed and played at ND one more year. I don't say that about every player, but personally, I agree with Coach Kelly that Kizer needed it.
@@jasonfrost6448 I would argue better to be picked late in a good situation than be picked early in a bad. I mean Steve young terrible with the bucs. He sits for three years in SF and he’s now in the hall of fame
@@Ayo601 Sure... but that's like saying "Every second and third string QB could be great... if only they got to Start!". Why are they not starting? Why are they not getting playing time? Carry the logic out. You'll get there eventually.
@@JustAnAccountLmao810 yes...yes it is. If there is a situation where a teams win-loss record can be squarely placed on one player it was the 0-16 Browns with Deshone Kizer. Literally got the GM that drafted him fired and had players calling him out publicly for not knowing the play book.
From a Notre Dame fan I can tell you exactly what happened 1. Deshone wasn't ready coming out of college 2. Whenever he won the starting job, he'd stop trying, he'd work his ass off to get it, but once he got it he was worse I'm also a Cleveland fan so trust me, I watched #2 happen twice At least we didn't waste a first rounder is what I've said since the day he was drafted
@@rodgamwo i recently saw a clip from a podcast Kizer was on and he said that he also didn't really try to run at all once he got to the NFL which is a big reason that got him there and i see where he's coming from, but i stand by what i'm saying here still
Dashone Kizer would probably still be in the NFL if he would've been picked up by a different team. He was a talented QB and as an ND fan I enjoyed tuning in to watch him, even that terrible 4 win year. He would've been a solid back up under the wing of a good team and could eventually move to start. I wouldn't be surprised if he opts to play in one the start up leagues coming in the next few years like the Freedom Football League or the XFL
Okay so I’m not an expert, but it feels like it’s a combination of 2 things. 1. He wasn’t ready to be a franchise QB. He needed time to develop and wasn’t given that. It seems like Kizer was a Project QB, like Jordan Love is, who seem to have talent but needed to time to develop. 2. The Browns and Hue Jackson outright did a terrible job at developing him. Idk if they were thinking that they were already terrible so let’s try to develop him by starting him right away or they believed in his potential so much that they could win now with him, but they threw him out there too early and he got slaughtered. I think what also didn’t help his confidence was the constant benching and then putting him back out there. Hue Jackson just wasn’t no Andy Reid to say the least.
DePodesta and Sashi never wanted him. He was selected to shut Hue up. Now Hue had his 'Tall, Big Armed' QB. If Hue failed now, it's on Hue. See, Hue came to the Browns known as a QB Whisperer. Yet every time he was asked to put his name next to an NFL Franchise QB... he passed. While Sashi and DePo weren't sold on Wentz, neither was Hue. The next Draft Hue passed on calling for HIS QB as well. He wanted a Safety over Watson (Malik, and he didn't get the S either, since he didn't take the QB Sashi took another position). He passed on the dude that went to the Bears, not that this was a bad thing. This was the guy that was supposed to come in, and select our FQB. The REST of the Draft was Sashi, but Hue held the QB Keys. And every time they came to him... instead of flexing his great QB Picking Ability... he passed. Then he'd blame the FO for his QB situation. Finally he called for a QB, and the QB he called for was Kizer. Tall, Big Arm. Couldn't hit the barn. He could throw it over the mountain, only because he couldn't hit the mountain. Hue was brought to Cleveland for ONE THING, and I guess his theory was as long as he didn't actually pick a QB he couldn't be blamed for the QB, which was the ONE THING he was brought in for.
@@theclimbto1 No sure where you got this but none of this was correct. There was an ESPN article about it where they interviewed many of the staff and that was not the story that came out. Browns didn't have a starter going into the 2016 season and Hue wanted them to trade for a veteran (specifically Tyrod Taylor from Buffalo) as he has a strict policy about NOT starting rookies at QB (as we saw in 2015 when he brought in RG3 and 2017 When he brought in Taylor and his one year with the raiders when he brought in Carson Palmer). Sashi went against that and instead drafted Kizer in the second round with no vet, FORCING Hue to start him since the only other players on the team were a late round draft pick from the year before (Cody Kessler) and a practice squad QB (Kevin Hogan). Hue eventually had a temper tantrum mid season about having a starting QB who wasn't ready playing, demanding they bring in a veteran which is when the ill fated botched trade for AJ McCarron fell through and Sashi then got fired for being terrible at his job and Hue was given a one year reprieve from ownership since he had to deal with a rookie GM that basically sabotaged the team. The 2017 season was then the plan as Hue wanted it originally when they get their vet (Taylor) and drafted a rookie (Mayfield) with the rookie sitting his first year and learning behind the vet.
@@jasonfrost6448 Hue throws EVERYONE under the bus. There is no back Hue doesn't stab. Sashi SAVED Cleveland by not over-paying for an unproven A J McCarron, like Hue wanted. We know Hue likes Big, Tall, Big-Armed QBs. We know Analytics HATES Kizer, because he was highly inaccurate and it showed in the College Stats. So we know Depo's Analytics didn't pick Kizer. So if the Math says Kizer is NOT the pick, then why did the Browns take Kizer in the 2nd? To appease Hue. They already took an Analytics QB in Cody Kessler the Season before. The FO was good with trying to groom Kessler (not saying that's the right move, either). And yes, Hue banged the drum for A J... because he had to blame some one so it wouldn't be his fault. Nothing can ever be Hue's fault. It's not hard to put the pieces together. The Browns burnt a 2nd Round Pick to appease the HC. Then the GM absolutely sabotaged the Trade Deadline Deal for A J McCarron, helping the Team by not caving to Hue's stupidity. Hue was not a victim, was not a savior, was not a martyr. Sashi on the other hand did what he was brought in to do, created value, stock piled picks. Hell, he got a 4th Round Pick for a Punter. Sashi is gone because Depot didn't have the pull at the time to keep him, and Hue is a Snake Charmer. It's one thing he's actually good at. You can see we brought back Berry, who is a Depo Guy. You can see Hue is long gone. People forget, ABOVE Sashi was Depo... it's his Plan, his Scheme. Sashi did what Depot brought him in to do. Hue on the other hand KNEW it was a Rebuild, took the job... then cried that it was a rebuild, and blamed everyone else for his own failings.
I'd love to see some film analysis, similar to what I have seen on Johnny Manziel, which show that, while successful in college, he never had the skills necessary to play in the NFL.
So true. This isn't to say that the ineptness of my Browns doesn't contribute, but the reason most NFL QBs don't make it is... they were never going to make it, they just didn't translate well enough into the NFL. Johnny Manziel literally had the same arm of A J McCarron, and yet I heard so many talk about the 'rocket' Johnny had. The difference is, A J would actually set his feet and follow through... so I have no clue what Manziel Disciples were watching when talking about his 'cannon'. Take the addictions away, and Johnny still would have had a limited NFL Skill Set to work with. But instead of figuring out why it didn't translate to the NFL, people take the easy route of just putting all the blame on the Drafting Team. If Johnny was good, he'd be somewhere else in the NFL. Kizer, to his credit, has stuck around. How's he done at those places? But there is someone out there convinced that Kizer just hasn't got to the right team, and if he ever does he'll be Dan Marino. No way it could be on Kizer.
@@theclimbto1 lol the issue with both QBs is. the didnt know how read defenses. johnny would 9/10 times would either run regardless if a WR is "open" or would only throw to mike evans for the 50/50 stuff but the 1/10 would be him just throwing to completely open WR or just rush around until one became open. not hard to design a defense to fight that. 2nd Johnny was doomed from day 1 regardless of the team he went to. he would party instead of film study or prepare for the next game. johnny couldnt even make it the CFL that has the talent of a FBS college teams. so not much better then high school. Deshone- was similar in this way. one he had a poor excuse of a head coach. but was also known to not put his focus into film study and preparing for next game. minus the partying like johnny. he was also a QB who couldnt read a defense. he would often times over throw, under throw WRs. he held onto the ball too long. meaning he didnt trust his WRs abilities. which imo Browns in 2017 had talent at WRs and TEs. not the best. but not bad that he couldnt trust them. which also hurt their career imo. neither these QBs imo shouldve been NFL QBs or shouldve been back ups. but between Johnny and Deshone. i think Deshone had more of a football IQ then Johnny. as a browns fan. i didnt want either of these guys. i wanted derek carr back in 2013/2014. again imo. but again i also blame the coaching staff for not fitting the offense around their skill type or playing ability. like the chiefs and ravens did mahomes and jackson. or the bills to josh rosen. seeing it now with baker mayfield and kevin im not even gonna bother trying to spell his last name lol. safanskie? has done. he built the new offense around baker ability to move outside of the pocket to make throws. plus adding more protection with 2 TE sets and good running game.
@@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420 and Derek carr wouldn’t have a star like he is you would’ve been talking about him the same way you are kizer and manziel if he landed on the browns
@@ricopelari4804 Carr would succeed with any team. think the raiders have a system in place to groom such great QBs lmao. raiders are holding him back and gruden is neglecting to use Car arm talent. only reason they selected Johnny Football was to sell seats in the stands and jerseys. thats it. he was the tebow of the browns. Maziel shouldnt have even been a 5th round pick. was a 7thrd talent who was overhyped. cause people failed to see he flaws. flaws im sure if you have time youll see me call out before the draft udirng the combine highlights and college before the draft on some videos.
Love those old adidas unis at 2:15. Kizer rode on his solid season before realizing that one more year with Big Game Brian Kelly and the way he fks with QB's heads. He was smart or enter the NfL draft and make some money for himself at least, or at least stay in the league and keep trying.
Last I heard of Deshone was when the CFL's Toronto Argos had a meeting with him last year. I guess it came down to money. I guess Kizer didn't realize that the wide open CFL game was a perfect fit for him
I’ve had this discussion a million times as a big ND fan... he changed after the Clemson Game. It became about him and not the team anymore. He lost ND a lot of games trying to play hero ball a lot and he wasn’t a leader... he had all the talent in the world but when his ego got too big he collapsed.
He was not a star at Notre Dame, ANYONE could see that he had poor accuracy and had the inability to throw the ball consistently. If you are an inaccurate passer in college you are going to be an inaccurate passer at the NFL level where the problem of being inaccurate will be magnified.
@@eligotdajuice Agreed, but I think they get better in information processing, decision making, learning the system. However, isn't accuracy something that you have it or you don't.
I'm an ND fan in Toledo and the Browns were the last team I wanted to draft Kizer. I feel like if he was put in a better situation at the start, like the position Mahomes was in, he could have been a great nfl qb
I'm a Dallas Cowboys and also a Notre Dame fan, so the 2014 Cowboys season was best I've got to witness, followed by the Irish's best for me, which was the 2015 season... Also whenever the Cowboys drafted Jaylon Smith, easily best draft moment of my life.
As a Browns fan, he was downright putrid his one season on Cleveland. Stats may say he was ok, but his situational awareness was horrible and he was incredibly inaccurate. If we had McCown or even RG3 again we probably win 2 games that year.
I love your content, but sometimes you are very hard to understand and I find myself backing up to understand what you are saying. Keep at it and I will keep watching. I just thought it might help you keep growing.
I don't understand how people thought this dude was going to be a successful NFL QB?? How many just like him have we seen come in and fail? The latest being Dwayne Haskins.... I can name several. Pat White, Geno Smith, Nick Marshall, J.T. Barrett, Cardale Jones. The NFL is obviously on a whole other level.
This story is just another example of a player entering the draft way too soon. I understand these kids want to get that pay cheque. But this sort of shit happens way too often with both college football and basketball. Hopefully he got his degree and the second part of his career will do him better.
"...but it is unlikely he'll ever play in the NFL." Update - the Bears are going to give him a tryout during bye week. He should fit right in with the other QB's in Bear history.
He got to the level,where he should have tried to transfer to a reciever or somewhere he did not have the talent to play NFL Quaterback,nothing really went wrong
I didn’t know he only came out after two years, that was a BIG mistake. Other positions yeah if you’re that dude you can come out of school after two years, but QBs need at LEAST three years because it’s more mental than physical. You gotta be self-aware enough to not listen to hype and understand you have stuff to clean up.
He should be a backup some where,He didnt a fair chance.3 teams 3 different offences.No time to develop in any of them.Tall guy with a great release but needs a lot of work
@@1sttvbn no kidding. The defense improved almost immediately after they got rid of him. His defenses at Louisville and Bowling Green have also been historically bad. Not sure how he keeps getting work.
I’m a notre dame football and packers fan. Don’t really follow notre dame football anymore but Deshone played very well for them unfortunately he went to the browns. He would have probably been a lot better if he got drafted by any other franchise. His first year with the browns absolutely killed his career
I felt bad for kizer, the only game were the '17 browns played great and looked like they were about to win was against the packers before Brett hudley lead a comeback and sent the game in overtime. I watched it live and when the browns won the coin toss they eagerly said we want the ball and it looked like they were about to win before kizer threw the ball up for grabs and it was of course intercepted
Just running the ball all the time as a high school/college quarterback isn't really what you are supposed to do. Now they don't really figure out you can't throw until you get into the NFL and you throw a lot of interceptions.
lmao it’s pretty obvious you’re biased. no hate but saying he “would’ve been better” had he focused solely on football isn’t fair to say. neither is “a lot of the elite quarterback prospects focus on football” that’s not fair to say either. most elite quarterback recruits play multiple sports because they ARE great athletes. also no one really thought he would be a starting quarterback in the league. dude just didn’t have it. overall though, great vid!
@@mistacole1335 Beg to differ. He was always nearby, they just play a shell game with him..practice/IR/other categories....but I'm sure Mark was paying him something
DeShone "Red Zone Turnover" Kizer. He and Hue Jackson were the biggest reasons for 0-16. Kizer's repeated bumbling, miscues and turnovers in the red-zone cost the '17 Browns any chance to win games. He had a 9.5% turnover rate in the red-zone when the league average for QBs was 1.3%. Even by woeful Pet Cemetery Browns' QB standards, Kizer was awful! However, he had no business being on the field. He was a developmental project whom Hue Jackson thrust into the starting role because Hue was convinced he could "coach-up" Kizer's glaring deficiencies on the fly.
He just never was that good. He benefitted from the weak schedules that notre dame gets to play. Then he started for the browns, which is not necessarily a qb’s paradise
The fact that he got traded to GB and whenever given a shot played god awful should tell u everything. And that was with legitimate receivers like Adams and Cobb. Week 17 of 2018 he fills in for Rodgers against a terrible Lions team and got completely shutout. Couldn't even get in FG range.
He should be a backup somewhere his not all that bad and remember what their coach said about the owner losing game's he was on those teams and it ruined his career he's supposed to be on the action lawsuits if he has a brain.
it was actually 44-28, and it was a really good game heading into the 4th. Then Ohio St took control and won by 16. "Thrilling" was still an overstatement.
Every Black Quarterback to play at Notre Dame career was ruined. Remember, Tony Rice? Back then, the Cleveland Browns quarterbacks and running backs didn't get a fair shot. Trent Richardson... if he was any other team, he would be playing or a back up at best.
What do you mean 'What happened'? He barely completed 60% in College and averaged 9.5 INTs a Season. He was tall with a strong arm and a bit of mobility. That was it. The only reason he was Drafted by the Browns was to appease Hue Jackson who wanted an 'AFCN QB' which is to say "Tall, Big Arm". He never should have been Drafted so highly. So when you say 'What went wrong'... nothing, he did EXACTLY as he should have done in the NFL. When you say 'What happened'... a marginal player with some Athletic Ability got Over-Drafted by a Bad Organization because their Head Coach was an idiot. Analytically, you don't Draft Kizer. Hue was going against DePodesta and the Analytics Crew, it was an appeasement pick since Sashi Brown didn't let Hue throw away a 2nd Rounder on A. J. McCarron. It makes sense that you liked the guy, he is from ND and did well enough in College. I'm an Alabama Fan, we had A J McCarron. I love that dude. He's done pretty much what I expected in the NFL... spot duty pretty well, but just not good enough out the gate to Win the Starting Spot. A J is a QB that takes time to develop, because his NFL Skills are the bare minimum required, he's not going to rise off those skills. He has to add the Mastery of the Offense TO his Skill to be able to do more, you don't do that Day 1. He might never get there. It is who he is. A QB with enough Talent to get a chance, but needs more than Talent to have a legit shot. Kizer has Physical Talent, but he's just not a very good QB (in the NFL sense of the word). You can be that in College, and be awesome.
Who's your favorite Notre Dame QB of all time?
Can you do the rise of Patrick mahomes
joe montana, ric meier
brady Quinn, deshone kizer
Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen
Tony rice
just realized matt lafleur saw deshone on his roster and sent him packing when he took over the packers.... oof
He sucked so much in the NFL
@@dragonboy141 wasn’t his fault the browns were terrible at developing him
@@yayhay1 Same staff had Baker Mayfield the next year who broke the rookie touchdown record before they were fired. Kizer was just bad.
@@jasonfrost6448 what are you talking about head coach for the browns in 2018 was Gregg Williams head coach in 2017 was Hue Jackson plus Kizer was the 52nd pick the coaches should’ve known not to start a 2nd rounder right away
@@jasonfrost6448 kizer was great in college just not nfl
He wasnt mature enough physically and mentally to leave ND and even worse he was in no way ready to be the starting QB of a disastrous dumpster fire
Very very true!
Yeah, that's literally jumping too soon. Had he stayed another year I think he would have been in much better shape. Also, he probably wouldn't have been drafted by the Browns.
@@pittland44 He had only started 1 year and Brian Kelly even said publically he might not be ready yet
That should have been the answer inside the video. This video is just "RUclips clickbait in a nutshell". Asking "what went wrong" and then just starting to talk 10 minutes about his stats and teams. That's got nothing to do with journalism ... Should be "the system did not fit", "he was immature" or "the coaches didn't trust him", etc. But not: he went from team to team ....
@@seanmcnamara8522 If you dont like the video bro theres other channels to watch
He should've definitely stayed and played at ND one more year. I don't say that about every player, but personally, I agree with Coach Kelly that Kizer needed it.
I agree
Had he stayed another year he would have fell HARD. Way too much better QB talent in the 2017 draft which would have killed his stock.
@@jasonfrost6448
I would argue better to be picked late in a good situation than be picked early in a bad. I mean Steve young terrible with the bucs. He sits for three years in SF and he’s now in the hall of fame
@@jasonfrost6448 Well honestly That’s better than playing for the Browns. And he has as many wins as a starter as you and me.
Answer he was on the 2017 browns
Hahah true
And?
He went to Green Bay, a QB Haven.
How's he done in his CAREER?
@@theclimbto1 hard for any qb to develop with no playing time.
@@Ayo601 Sure... but that's like saying "Every second and third string QB could be great... if only they got to Start!".
Why are they not starting? Why are they not getting playing time? Carry the logic out. You'll get there eventually.
@@theclimbto1 He joined the 2018 GB packers. Not a good situation either.
Like you, Kizer was one of my favorite QBs of all time. I have his jersey too. Definitely one of my all time favorites Scott!
Awesome! and yea, he was just fun to watch!
Never know hes a titan its our year
0-15 as a starter
To put that in perspective, the next guy in line is
Brody croyle 0-10 as a starter
Is that really his fault tho
@@JustAnAccountLmao810 yes...yes it is. If there is a situation where a teams win-loss record can be squarely placed on one player it was the 0-16 Browns with Deshone Kizer. Literally got the GM that drafted him fired and had players calling him out publicly for not knowing the play book.
@@jasonfrost6448 he wasn’t the best qb but to say he’s the sole reason they was 0-15 is crazy … one of the worst rosters
If Brady was on that team, would they have 0 wins?
From a Notre Dame fan I can tell you exactly what happened
1. Deshone wasn't ready coming out of college
2. Whenever he won the starting job, he'd stop trying, he'd work his ass off to get it, but once he got it he was worse
I'm also a Cleveland fan so trust me, I watched #2 happen twice
At least we didn't waste a first rounder is what I've said since the day he was drafted
U can see from his tape he got to where he’s at from straight talent. Talent don’t work in the qb spot in nfl tho
@@rodgamwo i recently saw a clip from a podcast Kizer was on and he said that he also didn't really try to run at all once he got to the NFL which is a big reason that got him there and i see where he's coming from, but i stand by what i'm saying here still
For every NFL success story, there’s a story of heartbreak and devastation
Dashone Kizer would probably still be in the NFL if he would've been picked up by a different team. He was a talented QB and as an ND fan I enjoyed tuning in to watch him, even that terrible 4 win year. He would've been a solid back up under the wing of a good team and could eventually move to start. I wouldn't be surprised if he opts to play in one the start up leagues coming in the next few years like the Freedom Football League or the XFL
Okay so I’m not an expert, but it feels like it’s a combination of 2 things. 1. He wasn’t ready to be a franchise QB. He needed time to develop and wasn’t given that. It seems like Kizer was a Project QB, like Jordan Love is, who seem to have talent but needed to time to develop. 2. The Browns and Hue Jackson outright did a terrible job at developing him. Idk if they were thinking that they were already terrible so let’s try to develop him by starting him right away or they believed in his potential so much that they could win now with him, but they threw him out there too early and he got slaughtered. I think what also didn’t help his confidence was the constant benching and then putting him back out there. Hue Jackson just wasn’t no Andy Reid to say the least.
Agreed man!
DePodesta and Sashi never wanted him.
He was selected to shut Hue up. Now Hue had his 'Tall, Big Armed' QB. If Hue failed now, it's on Hue.
See, Hue came to the Browns known as a QB Whisperer. Yet every time he was asked to put his name next to an NFL Franchise QB... he passed. While Sashi and DePo weren't sold on Wentz, neither was Hue. The next Draft Hue passed on calling for HIS QB as well. He wanted a Safety over Watson (Malik, and he didn't get the S either, since he didn't take the QB Sashi took another position). He passed on the dude that went to the Bears, not that this was a bad thing.
This was the guy that was supposed to come in, and select our FQB. The REST of the Draft was Sashi, but Hue held the QB Keys. And every time they came to him... instead of flexing his great QB Picking Ability... he passed. Then he'd blame the FO for his QB situation.
Finally he called for a QB, and the QB he called for was Kizer. Tall, Big Arm. Couldn't hit the barn. He could throw it over the mountain, only because he couldn't hit the mountain.
Hue was brought to Cleveland for ONE THING, and I guess his theory was as long as he didn't actually pick a QB he couldn't be blamed for the QB, which was the ONE THING he was brought in for.
@@theclimbto1 No sure where you got this but none of this was correct. There was an ESPN article about it where they interviewed many of the staff and that was not the story that came out. Browns didn't have a starter going into the 2016 season and Hue wanted them to trade for a veteran (specifically Tyrod Taylor from Buffalo) as he has a strict policy about NOT starting rookies at QB (as we saw in 2015 when he brought in RG3 and 2017 When he brought in Taylor and his one year with the raiders when he brought in Carson Palmer). Sashi went against that and instead drafted Kizer in the second round with no vet, FORCING Hue to start him since the only other players on the team were a late round draft pick from the year before (Cody Kessler) and a practice squad QB (Kevin Hogan).
Hue eventually had a temper tantrum mid season about having a starting QB who wasn't ready playing, demanding they bring in a veteran which is when the ill fated botched trade for AJ McCarron fell through and Sashi then got fired for being terrible at his job and Hue was given a one year reprieve from ownership since he had to deal with a rookie GM that basically sabotaged the team. The 2017 season was then the plan as Hue wanted it originally when they get their vet (Taylor) and drafted a rookie (Mayfield) with the rookie sitting his first year and learning behind the vet.
@@jasonfrost6448 Hue throws EVERYONE under the bus. There is no back Hue doesn't stab.
Sashi SAVED Cleveland by not over-paying for an unproven A J McCarron, like Hue wanted.
We know Hue likes Big, Tall, Big-Armed QBs.
We know Analytics HATES Kizer, because he was highly inaccurate and it showed in the College Stats. So we know Depo's Analytics didn't pick Kizer.
So if the Math says Kizer is NOT the pick, then why did the Browns take Kizer in the 2nd? To appease Hue.
They already took an Analytics QB in Cody Kessler the Season before. The FO was good with trying to groom Kessler (not saying that's the right move, either).
And yes, Hue banged the drum for A J... because he had to blame some one so it wouldn't be his fault. Nothing can ever be Hue's fault.
It's not hard to put the pieces together. The Browns burnt a 2nd Round Pick to appease the HC. Then the GM absolutely sabotaged the Trade Deadline Deal for A J McCarron, helping the Team by not caving to Hue's stupidity.
Hue was not a victim, was not a savior, was not a martyr.
Sashi on the other hand did what he was brought in to do, created value, stock piled picks. Hell, he got a 4th Round Pick for a Punter.
Sashi is gone because Depot didn't have the pull at the time to keep him, and Hue is a Snake Charmer. It's one thing he's actually good at.
You can see we brought back Berry, who is a Depo Guy. You can see Hue is long gone. People forget, ABOVE Sashi was Depo... it's his Plan, his Scheme. Sashi did what Depot brought him in to do.
Hue on the other hand KNEW it was a Rebuild, took the job... then cried that it was a rebuild, and blamed everyone else for his own failings.
I went to high school with him! Lol he a cool dude glad he from my city Toledo Ohio wish he woulda did better
I'd love to see some film analysis, similar to what I have seen on Johnny Manziel, which show that, while successful in college, he never had the skills necessary to play in the NFL.
Maybe someday! I don't have an eye for the game haha
So true.
This isn't to say that the ineptness of my Browns doesn't contribute, but the reason most NFL QBs don't make it is... they were never going to make it, they just didn't translate well enough into the NFL.
Johnny Manziel literally had the same arm of A J McCarron, and yet I heard so many talk about the 'rocket' Johnny had. The difference is, A J would actually set his feet and follow through... so I have no clue what Manziel Disciples were watching when talking about his 'cannon'.
Take the addictions away, and Johnny still would have had a limited NFL Skill Set to work with.
But instead of figuring out why it didn't translate to the NFL, people take the easy route of just putting all the blame on the Drafting Team. If Johnny was good, he'd be somewhere else in the NFL. Kizer, to his credit, has stuck around. How's he done at those places?
But there is someone out there convinced that Kizer just hasn't got to the right team, and if he ever does he'll be Dan Marino. No way it could be on Kizer.
@@theclimbto1 lol the issue with both QBs is. the didnt know how read defenses.
johnny would 9/10 times would either run regardless if a WR is "open" or would only throw to mike evans for the 50/50 stuff but the 1/10 would be him just throwing to completely open WR or just rush around until one became open. not hard to design a defense to fight that. 2nd Johnny was doomed from day 1 regardless of the team he went to. he would party instead of film study or prepare for the next game. johnny couldnt even make it the CFL that has the talent of a FBS college teams. so not much better then high school.
Deshone- was similar in this way. one he had a poor excuse of a head coach. but was also known to not put his focus into film study and preparing for next game. minus the partying like johnny. he was also a QB who couldnt read a defense. he would often times over throw, under throw WRs. he held onto the ball too long. meaning he didnt trust his WRs abilities. which imo Browns in 2017 had talent at WRs and TEs. not the best. but not bad that he couldnt trust them. which also hurt their career imo. neither these QBs imo shouldve been NFL QBs or shouldve been back ups. but between Johnny and Deshone. i think Deshone had more of a football IQ then Johnny. as a browns fan. i didnt want either of these guys. i wanted derek carr back in 2013/2014. again imo. but again i also blame the coaching staff for not fitting the offense around their skill type or playing ability. like the chiefs and ravens did mahomes and jackson. or the bills to josh rosen. seeing it now with baker mayfield and kevin im not even gonna bother trying to spell his last name lol. safanskie? has done. he built the new offense around baker ability to move outside of the pocket to make throws. plus adding more protection with 2 TE sets and good running game.
@@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420 and Derek carr wouldn’t have a star like he is you would’ve been talking about him the same way you are kizer and manziel if he landed on the browns
@@ricopelari4804 Carr would succeed with any team. think the raiders have a system in place to groom such great QBs lmao. raiders are holding him back and gruden is neglecting to use Car arm talent. only reason they selected Johnny Football was to sell seats in the stands and jerseys. thats it. he was the tebow of the browns. Maziel shouldnt have even been a 5th round pick. was a 7thrd talent who was overhyped. cause people failed to see he flaws. flaws im sure if you have time youll see me call out before the draft udirng the combine highlights and college before the draft on some videos.
Isn't Kizer still technically in the NFL? He's been on at least a NFL practice squad since 2017.
It’s sad because although his numbers were awful on the Browns, he showed amazing glimpses with his arm and legs. Hoping he will turn it around.
Doesn’t seem like it, he got cut by the raiders before the season started
Well... Bears just brought him in for a tryout, in that dysfunctional offense... he may just yet get a start.
If he can't beat out Trubisky, he needs to quit.
There offense is better that the 2017 browns offense
Who’s here because he joined da bears
Easy there Bill Swarski. You don't want to have another heart attack.
Im here because he joined the Titans
Had no idea
Love those old adidas unis at 2:15. Kizer rode on his solid season before realizing that one more year with Big Game Brian Kelly and the way he fks with QB's heads. He was smart or enter the NfL draft and make some money for himself at least, or at least stay in the league and keep trying.
Last I heard of Deshone was when the CFL's Toronto Argos had a meeting with him last year. I guess it came down to money. I guess Kizer didn't realize that the wide open CFL game was a perfect fit for him
Hey he had a good college career & a chance in the NFL !! Not bad at all
I have the same amount of career wins as Deshone Kizer.
I’ve had this discussion a million times as a big ND fan... he changed after the Clemson Game. It became about him and not the team anymore. He lost ND a lot of games trying to play hero ball a lot and he wasn’t a leader... he had all the talent in the world but when his ego got too big he collapsed.
A lot of the best QBs you see in the NFL now played multiple sports in high school
Usually baseball.
He was not a star at Notre Dame, ANYONE could see that he had poor accuracy and had the inability to throw the ball consistently. If you are an inaccurate passer in college you are going to be an inaccurate passer at the NFL level where the problem of being inaccurate will be magnified.
Players do get better tho
@@eligotdajuice Agreed, but I think they get better in information processing, decision making, learning the system. However, isn't accuracy something that you have it or you don't.
That Virginia game was crazy that pretty much made me get into college football
If you didn’t know, ND practically started clemsons dynasty. That’s why the Clemson and ND games are so big.
I'm an ND fan in Toledo and the Browns were the last team I wanted to draft Kizer. I feel like if he was put in a better situation at the start, like the position Mahomes was in, he could have been a great nfl qb
You can blame Hue for that.
DePodesta and Sashi are Analytic Guys... Hue wanted a 'Tall, Strong Armed' QB. It was an appeasement pick for the HC.
I'm a Dallas Cowboys and also a Notre Dame fan, so the 2014 Cowboys season was best I've got to witness, followed by the Irish's best for me, which was the 2015 season... Also whenever the Cowboys drafted Jaylon Smith, easily best draft moment of my life.
ayyy!
Do you also like duke, the lakers and the yankees?
As a Browns fan, he was downright putrid his one season on Cleveland. Stats may say he was ok, but his situational awareness was horrible and he was incredibly inaccurate. If we had McCown or even RG3 again we probably win 2 games that year.
Stats dont even say he was okay.
I love your content, but sometimes you are very hard to understand and I find myself backing up to understand what you are saying.
Keep at it and I will keep watching. I just thought it might help you keep growing.
I don't understand how people thought this dude was going to be a successful NFL QB?? How many just like him have we seen come in and fail? The latest being Dwayne Haskins.... I can name several. Pat White, Geno Smith, Nick Marshall, J.T. Barrett, Cardale Jones. The NFL is obviously on a whole other level.
He on the Titans and I think he could be in a good position atm considering Tannehill could be a good mentor and he could build something
Unfortunately not 😔
Really bums me out because I’m from Toledo and so badly wanted to see him succeed
This story is just another example of a player entering the draft way too soon. I understand these kids want to get that pay cheque. But this sort of shit happens way too often with both college football and basketball. Hopefully he got his degree and the second part of his career will do him better.
Why don’t you talk about Stanford 2015 season and Christian McCaffreys Heisman run!
Fun fact Dragon Kizer& Shea Patterson of Michigan played on the same Jr. High team as running backs in Toledo.
I live where he went to high school and he’s a legend
"...but it is unlikely he'll ever play in the NFL." Update - the Bears are going to give him a tryout during bye week. He should fit right in with the other QB's in Bear history.
Honestly he's better than Mitch and Nick
watching this after the browns just made the playoffs
He was told to stay in school
Like a lot of dudes, he came [to the NFL] too soon.
it wouldnt matter if he stayed at ND longer, i dont think he has what it takes
No such thing as going to the NFL too early tbh.
He got to the level,where he should have tried to transfer to a reciever or somewhere he did not have the talent to play NFL Quaterback,nothing really went wrong
I actually agree with you on that one!
Yea im really beginning to like this channel!!!
7:47 ;)
I still subbed to you because you make great vids!
Welcome to Tennessee 💙
I didn’t know he only came out after two years, that was a BIG mistake. Other positions yeah if you’re that dude you can come out of school after two years, but QBs need at LEAST three years because it’s more mental than physical. You gotta be self-aware enough to not listen to hype and understand you have stuff to clean up.
Lol "where they proclaimed Texas is back"
No idea why people had him ranked ahead of Watson.
Can you do a video on QB Zach Mettenberger
He should be a backup some where,He didnt a fair chance.3 teams 3 different offences.No time to develop in any of them.Tall guy with a great release but needs a lot of work
He had 2 more years at ND And should have stayed
That 2015 ND team had some outstanding talent on offense, but VanGorder's defense couldn't keep Stanford from going 50 yards in 30 seconds.
I wanted to strangle VanGorder
@@1sttvbn no kidding. The defense improved almost immediately after they got rid of him. His defenses at Louisville and Bowling Green have also been historically bad. Not sure how he keeps getting work.
I’m a notre dame football and packers fan. Don’t really follow notre dame football anymore but Deshone played very well for them unfortunately he went to the browns. He would have probably been a lot better if he got drafted by any other franchise. His first year with the browns absolutely killed his career
Browns threw him to the wolves.. they didn't have a line to protect him or weapons around him to ease the pressure..
What Went Wrong ? BROWNS 2017.
I felt bad for kizer, the only game were the '17 browns played great and looked like they were about to win was against the packers before Brett hudley lead a comeback and sent the game in overtime. I watched it live and when the browns won the coin toss they eagerly said we want the ball and it looked like they were about to win before kizer threw the ball up for grabs and it was of course intercepted
Just running the ball all the time as a high school/college quarterback isn't really what you are supposed to do. Now they don't really figure out you can't throw until you get into the NFL and you throw a lot of interceptions.
A lot of those games in the 0-16 season were close games. Browns weren't as bad as people think.
He came out too early and got drafted by the Browns. He should’ve stayed in school another year.
Most underrated Notre Dame quarterback is Kevin McDougal
What happened is he declared too early and got drafted to a crap team and wasn’t ready. i still think he should have stayed but all hail Ian Book!
@Storytimekellan3 that’s an awful idea
Thrown in to early. Was too young to enter in the 1st place. And never got the time to sit and learn that he needed
He might have been the worst NFL QB I’ve ever seen. It’s between him and Christian Ponder.
Hey pal ever heard of ryan lindley
Fun fact: Kizer beat Burrow in the state championship
How is a 10-3 UD football team one of your favorite teams of all time? No jab at you that just has me honestly very curious
DeShone is the son of someone my dad works with
lmao it’s pretty obvious you’re biased. no hate but saying he “would’ve been better” had he focused solely on football isn’t fair to say. neither is “a lot of the elite quarterback prospects focus on football” that’s not fair to say either. most elite quarterback recruits play multiple sports because they ARE great athletes. also no one really thought he would be a starting quarterback in the league. dude just didn’t have it. overall though, great vid!
many HS kids focus on one sport, there are 2 sports i think that can help athletes, swimming and track
Welcome to the Titans!
We got the xfl as a bounce back league
Future backup QB of the LA chargers
Hue Jackson happened to him
Killed his potential and probably his confidence
yup!
Somehow he or Mariota becomes starting QB for Raiders and become the next Jim Plunnkett and win a Super Bowl eh magical seasons can happen
haha
He hasn't been with the raiders since may
@@mistacole1335 Wrong
@@kendallevans4079 Well now like 2 days ago he was signed to the practice squad lol. But between may and like 2 days ago he wasn't with the raiders.
@@mistacole1335 Beg to differ. He was always nearby, they just play a shell game with him..practice/IR/other categories....but I'm sure Mark was paying him something
DeShone "Red Zone Turnover" Kizer. He and Hue Jackson were the biggest reasons for 0-16. Kizer's repeated bumbling, miscues and turnovers in the red-zone cost the '17 Browns any chance to win games. He had a 9.5% turnover rate in the red-zone when the league average for QBs was 1.3%. Even by woeful Pet Cemetery Browns' QB standards, Kizer was awful! However, he had no business being on the field. He was a developmental project whom Hue Jackson thrust into the starting role because Hue was convinced he could "coach-up" Kizer's glaring deficiencies on the fly.
We know now Management was paying Jackson to tank
“The future of the Cleveland browns”....let me stop you right there.
Hue Jackson, need I say more
I wish i could give you a million likes
Even in the packers offense he couldn’t do well... just think of that
Too many ads for such a short video!
He just never was that good. He benefitted from the weak schedules that notre dame gets to play. Then he started for the browns, which is not necessarily a qb’s paradise
Yeah if notre dame played the best teams in college like they used to it probably would have been different
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He definitely would’ve been better prepared for the nfl
@@chrisrolen3345 yeah
Man you had me hoping you would just start referring to him as Kizer alone!
The fact that he got traded to GB and whenever given a shot played god awful should tell u everything. And that was with legitimate receivers like Adams and Cobb. Week 17 of 2018 he fills in for Rodgers against a terrible Lions team and got completely shutout. Couldn't even get in FG range.
I felt Kizer wasn't ready, he should've stayed at Notre dame for another season, I'm a huge Irish fan but I wasn't impressed with Kizer
Do one of these videos on Ron Powlus.
Wait. You named Nathan peterman (I know he's the GOAT) and josh dobbs before deshaun watson???
You need to EQ your audio. Every video is at a different level.
Imagine you're seeing a big fan but can't pronounce his name properly
Looks like he might be come to Chicago. I hope we pick him up.
Chicago cant get any worse?
Kizer my cousin
How’s he doing nowadays?
He was the QB for the Cleveland Browns. That will do any QB in!
Not to mention how horrible Kizer was. Dude can' t throw with any accuracy shit was embarrassing
He should be a backup somewhere his not all that bad and remember what their coach said about the owner losing game's he was on those teams and it ruined his career he's supposed to be on the action lawsuits if he has a brain.
I was wondering who the Qb was for that year with the Browns now Ik smh
How can losing 48-28 be considered "thrilling"?
it was actually 44-28, and it was a really good game heading into the 4th. Then Ohio St took control and won by 16. "Thrilling" was still an overstatement.
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Playing other sports in high school did not hurt him.
It’s pretty simple the browns drafted him and didn’t help with development so he’s burnt out and failed
“no match for the irish offense” ....... “after 5 interceptions”
Every Black Quarterback to play at Notre Dame career was ruined. Remember, Tony Rice? Back then, the Cleveland Browns quarterbacks and running backs didn't get a fair shot. Trent Richardson... if he was any other team, he would be playing or a back up at best.
He got a tryout with the Lions today.
wow
all these "college football" youtubers sound the same they all talk in the same tone like they are reading from a script lmao
They are
Favorite college football qb of all time wtf you smoking bro 😆
What do you mean 'What happened'?
He barely completed 60% in College and averaged 9.5 INTs a Season.
He was tall with a strong arm and a bit of mobility. That was it.
The only reason he was Drafted by the Browns was to appease Hue Jackson who wanted an 'AFCN QB' which is to say "Tall, Big Arm". He never should have been Drafted so highly.
So when you say 'What went wrong'... nothing, he did EXACTLY as he should have done in the NFL.
When you say 'What happened'... a marginal player with some Athletic Ability got Over-Drafted by a Bad Organization because their Head Coach was an idiot.
Analytically, you don't Draft Kizer. Hue was going against DePodesta and the Analytics Crew, it was an appeasement pick since Sashi Brown didn't let Hue throw away a 2nd Rounder on A. J. McCarron.
It makes sense that you liked the guy, he is from ND and did well enough in College. I'm an Alabama Fan, we had A J McCarron. I love that dude. He's done pretty much what I expected in the NFL... spot duty pretty well, but just not good enough out the gate to Win the Starting Spot. A J is a QB that takes time to develop, because his NFL Skills are the bare minimum required, he's not going to rise off those skills. He has to add the Mastery of the Offense TO his Skill to be able to do more, you don't do that Day 1. He might never get there. It is who he is. A QB with enough Talent to get a chance, but needs more than Talent to have a legit shot.
Kizer has Physical Talent, but he's just not a very good QB (in the NFL sense of the word). You can be that in College, and be awesome.
He was never all that great. Yet another system QB who failed in the NFL.