Tom, don't need to scan QR code. Just insert charging gun to your car first, then open BP Pulse apps, click Find a Station. Once you find it in your location, click CCS2, then click Begin Charge. That's it.
Hi Tom, it seems most people just don't realise there's a whole bunch more cars that use the Chademo connector. I keep hearing people say it's just the Nissan Leaf, not so. All Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV's since 2014 use it and ( I think) the new ASX PHEV also. Thanks for your stuff, cheers.
Thanks for clarification. Yes true that Outlanders can use ChaDeMo although with such a small traction battery I don’t see many owners at DC chargers 🤔
@@LudicrousFeed True, in fact when I had one, I used DC charging only a half dozen times. Now, , I'd be concerned I was blocking an EV that really needed it.
@Ludicrous Feed BP has plans but are constrained by grid connections. They mentioned they are prioritising charging stations first and upgrade them later. This guy was at the launch and spoke to BP ruclips.net/video/rhZXayabQG4/видео.html
So BP is installing a network of 75KW chargers, not 150. I can't see why any public, for-profit charger would be under 150KW. Let's hope they do fast charging on their highway network. After watching your Sydney-Melbourne video, a 12.5 hour drive is frightening. I currently do it in 9. Once you get beyond about 10 it almost requires an overnight stop at my age (and I used to do Sydney to Adelaide in a day when I was your age). 75KW is not feasible in a country as spread out as AUS. Nor is a range below 500-600km (real world 400-500 @ 105-110kph, ie most of the non-metropolitan road network, esp with the aircon on).
I follow a channel “not a car guy”. He is based in Melbourne and had a chat with BP pulse roll out manger. The chargers at set to 75kw for now as it causing less stress on local grid infrastructure, until they can see if can handle it under load. Plan is increase it up to 150kw or more. Go give it a watch.
A congested Tesla v2 supercharger will only give a 65 kW charge rate when sharing, so there are situations today where 75 kW would be an improvement but agree more generally that 150 kW is desirable for a Tesla owner.
Yes, we definitely need more chargers. Never only one in any location. Charging stations on A roads and motorways should have at least two 350 kW pul-through stalls - just look at the number of trailers and caravans on the road, especially on weekends.
@@LudicrousFeed Agreed. I can't say that I would use them all the time (and I know my perspective as a motorcyclist is different), but . When I was going to go for a ride with a mate mid last year , the available charging made the difference between using my Livewire (which I ride at every opportunity) and taking the Ducati or ICE Harley.
Awesome video. I really enjoyed using the BP Pulse Stations. I was lucky enough to get the free stations when I did my big road trip to Tassie and back. Subaru also use Chademo as well. Not sure why.
@@LudicrousFeed 100% agree. I was lucky enough to meet the Subaru guys with one of only 3 cars in the country and he was telling me they are running with chademo for some unknown reason. Lol. Loving your content Tom.
Now if the 2nd connector is available for charging simultaneously then it really is insane to have a Chademo plug on there. With all due respect to the pioneering Nissan Leaf, it’s time to get in line and use CCS2.
There's around 4 or 5 of these new chargers in Brisbane built. The first public hydrogen fuel cell filler is also fully built in Brisbane as well, at a BP station.
One Tritium charger which can serve 2 cars but one has to be chademo. Accordingto NRMA Chademo is less than 1% of their charge cycles. What a waste. It's not only the Leaf but also iMiev and Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV plus converted EV (Chademo kits are much cheaper than CCS ones). The charge port location on the Atto is really silly. When Tesla SUC become available you will find that you have to park sideways for the cable to reach, blocking 2 or even 3 SuC bays. Those plastic caps dangling in the wind don't help either. Tesla has shown 10 years ago how easy charging and charge ports can be, not sure why no one else can do it.
There's one just north of Goulburn - wasn't yet turned on a few weeks back - seemed to be chademo and the other a useful one. What a stupid idea to put brand new Chademo ones! All that infrastructure and it's only ONE useful charging cable. WTF are they thinking?
Worried how long it will take before it's broken and left for months on end while the usual excuse of 'waiting on parts' comes from the manufacturer. BP should diversify and use Delta/Alpitronics/Kempower hardware. Think this unit can charge two at once from memory so a Leaf/Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV could charge while a CCS car is charging as well.
Question. Why is it that BYD and some other brands still use those horrible rubber caps over their CCS2 ports. Whilst other brands, not even the expensive one just have an integrated water resistant charge door?
@@LudicrousFeed It just takes away from the premium feel the Atto3 has from the get go. I've never driven one, but when I sat in it, I was astounded by the premium feel for the money, especially after I just test drove the GV60.
Only one charger. These days there needs to be a minimum of 4 to 8 chargers installed in a group. Adoption of electric vehicles is growing faster than the charging infrastructure. Let BP know that more chargers are needed. Installing only one charger seems like it is just compliance mentality.
Bit of a shame to see new hardware being deployed that can charge two cars at a time but one of them has to be Chademo. I think they make up less than 1% of EV's on the road in Aus, and with the rate of BYD and Tesla deliveries they will be less than 0.1% within a year or two I would imagine. Have 50% of your charging capacity for 0.1% of vehicles seems like a waste of money and resources imo when those few drivers could just get adapters. Heck it would make more sense from a cost perspective to just give out free adapters to the few people that still use Chademo. Also these really need to be 250kw single, or 125kw with both sides charging to be practical.
@@LudicrousFeed I've been there couple times, fuel is not always the cheapest, but for sure I will be there more oftern in the future. Ordered a white Atto 3, will be delivered in April/May.
@@samchen0079 Indeed it's rarely cheap for petrol. Just checked my last supercharging bill though - 69 cents per kwh. Faster, but Pulse is cheaper (for now).
Let's hope the BP network in Australia doesn't fall into such disgusting dis- repair as in the UK. I've always said, why would you trust the companies with EV infrastructure who are spending huge on lobbying to slow EV adoption? Giving poor performance and experience just helps that lobby.
I hope for your sake they are more reliable than the ones in the UK. ETA is there only one there? Pathetic. I dont even visit locations with a single charger too high odds are its in use or wont be working , with no backup. It may be a pilot but they need a better start than this to make it atrractive for more peopel to go there than take a chance the single unit wont be occupied.
@@LudicrousFeed They are bad on so many levels including for the operator. They will have poor utilisation because of blocking and because some (many?) will not bother visiting, any technical issues rule out the whole charge site not just one charger. They feed anti EV FUD, eg "look theres just one EV pump where you have to wait for an hour even if theres no one already charging, and look just over there are a dozen petrol pumps where it takes me five minutes to refuel and i dont ahve to Q because theyve put enough pumps in" (a very reasonable point based on the evidence). You'd almost think a fossil fuel corporation was trying to make a bad case for EV chargers "well we installed one and hardly anyone uses it". Far better to put 4 chargers in on 1/4 the sites or at worst an absolute minimum of 2 per site. Making each one a sole unit is a half-assed approach that does no one any favours.
Installing Tritinone is insanity. The brand is universally known for poor quality. Even in here a comment from someone in the UK saying the same thing. This end of year period was a disaster for non Tesla drivers with at least half of the Tritinone chargers having failed, Coffs and port Macquarie with only one working charger and Tesla sites with massive lineups. Sydney now inner west has Everleigh chargers both dead for over 3 months, one of the Evie chargers dead at Marickville metro and the 50kw at Zetland down for over 6 months. Evie sites and NRMA sites all with dead Tritinone chargers.
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Thanks Going to Melbourne (Chelttenham) in a couple of weeks Always hard to find a charger on the side of town Thanks
Hopefully we’ll see more!
Props to your camera operator/wife for doing a great job of following you around and under cables. 👍🏼😊
Joy is the best ❤️
Tom, don't need to scan QR code. Just insert charging gun to your car first, then open BP Pulse apps, click Find a Station. Once you find it in your location, click CCS2, then click Begin Charge. That's it.
Thanks John. I find either way tedious to be honest - would be easier just to tap with a credit card!
@Ludicrous Feed Tom, that would be great if credit card can do the job without using apps. I haven't tried yet, will try it. Thank you for the video 😍
Thanks John but most systems don’t allow straight credit card tap yet unfortunately. I was merely dreaming of a better future 😃
Hi Tom, it seems most people just don't realise there's a whole bunch more cars that use the Chademo connector. I keep hearing people say it's just the Nissan Leaf, not so. All Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV's since 2014 use it and ( I think) the new ASX PHEV also. Thanks for your stuff, cheers.
Thanks for clarification. Yes true that Outlanders can use ChaDeMo although with such a small traction battery I don’t see many owners at DC chargers 🤔
@@LudicrousFeed True, in fact when I had one, I used DC charging only a half dozen times. Now, , I'd be concerned I was blocking an EV that really needed it.
@@evtorque That’s very considerate of you 🙏
It's only 75kW currently installed not 150kW yet
If both in use Chademo gets 25kW and CCS2 will get 50kW currently
Ideally DC chargers need to be 150kW - this will cover many top charging speeds in modern EVs
@Ludicrous Feed BP has plans but are constrained by grid connections.
They mentioned they are prioritising charging stations first and upgrade them later.
This guy was at the launch and spoke to BP
ruclips.net/video/rhZXayabQG4/видео.html
Kind of pricey for 75 kW though. Chargefox isn't more than 0.40/kWh for 75 kW rate. Price would make more sense if they could actually do 150 kW now.
There is also one on the Bruce highway, just near Caboolture. Used it a couple of weeks ago. No complaints.
Excellent!
Hi Tom, welcome to Melbourne! Great to see more EV chargers coming to servos. 55c/kWh seems a bit steep, though.
Thanks Michael! Agreed, the more chargers in town the better
That's cheap. Most are 50kw 40c above that 60c plus.
So BP is installing a network of 75KW chargers, not 150. I can't see why any public, for-profit charger would be under 150KW. Let's hope they do fast charging on their highway network.
After watching your Sydney-Melbourne video, a 12.5 hour drive is frightening. I currently do it in 9. Once you get beyond about 10 it almost requires an overnight stop at my age (and I used to do Sydney to Adelaide in a day when I was your age).
75KW is not feasible in a country as spread out as AUS. Nor is a range below 500-600km (real world 400-500 @ 105-110kph, ie most of the non-metropolitan road network, esp with the aircon on).
I’m hoping those dreams of yours come true one day where long EV road trips are super easy across our country 👍
I follow a channel “not a car guy”. He is based in Melbourne and had a chat with BP pulse roll out manger. The chargers at set to 75kw for now as it causing less stress on local grid infrastructure, until they can see if can handle it under load. Plan is increase it up to 150kw or more. Go give it a watch.
A congested Tesla v2 supercharger will only give a 65 kW charge rate when sharing, so there are situations today where 75 kW would be an improvement but agree more generally that 150 kW is desirable for a Tesla owner.
Yes, we definitely need more chargers. Never only one in any location. Charging stations on A roads and motorways should have at least two 350 kW pul-through stalls - just look at the number of trailers and caravans on the road, especially on weekends.
Agreed. I’d be happy with 150kW which covers the top charging speed of most modern EVs
100%, Alan. Pull through stalls are essential.
We have 2 EV chargers at local BP it is good to see the infrastructure getting bigger
Coomera QLD
Awesome! Great to see Qld getting new chargers 👍
Thanks for the review , I downloaded the app had a quick look at the locations.
None in WA yet.
Hopefully soon Arron!
@@LudicrousFeed Agreed. I can't say that I would use them all the time (and I know my perspective as a motorcyclist is different), but .
When I was going to go for a ride with a mate mid last year , the available charging made the difference between using my Livewire (which I ride at every opportunity) and taking the Ducati or ICE Harley.
Hey Tom, just wondering what charger comes with the atto 3? Specifically the voltage etc.
Back of the charger shows 230V 10A 50Hz
@@LudicrousFeed you’re the best! Can’t wait for more videos with the atto and other EVs
When you review a liquid cooled V3 Tesla charger please explain why that cable is not heavier.
Curious isn’t it? 🤔
Awesome video. I really enjoyed using the BP Pulse Stations. I was lucky enough to get the free stations when I did my big road trip to Tassie and back.
Subaru also use Chademo as well. Not sure why.
CCS2 really should be the universal standard
@@LudicrousFeed 100% agree. I was lucky enough to meet the Subaru guys with one of only 3 cars in the country and he was telling me they are running with chademo for some unknown reason. Lol.
Loving your content Tom.
Now if the 2nd connector is available for charging simultaneously then it really is insane to have a Chademo plug on there. With all due respect to the pioneering Nissan Leaf, it’s time to get in line and use CCS2.
Or at least develop an economical adaptor 🤷
@@LudicrousFeed
yes, come to think of it, it is probably cheaper subsidizing an adaptor.
Ah man that's just down the road from me. Would've swung by to say hi if I'd known. Is it the first one in the country?
One of the first I believe. Some in NSW and QLD
I'm just here for the Savic representation
Thank you Savic for sending me that T-Shirt! ❤️🏍️
There's around 4 or 5 of these new chargers in Brisbane built.
The first public hydrogen fuel cell filler is also fully built in Brisbane as well, at a BP station.
Hopefully more will roll out quickly across the country
One Tritium charger which can serve 2 cars but one has to be chademo. Accordingto NRMA Chademo is less than 1% of their charge cycles. What a waste. It's not only the Leaf but also iMiev and Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV plus converted EV (Chademo kits are much cheaper than CCS ones). The charge port location on the Atto is really silly. When Tesla SUC become available you will find that you have to park sideways for the cable to reach, blocking 2 or even 3 SuC bays. Those plastic caps dangling in the wind don't help either. Tesla has shown 10 years ago how easy charging and charge ports can be, not sure why no one else can do it.
Would be great if car makers could standardise the charge port location to circumvent this issue 🤷
There's one just north of Goulburn - wasn't yet turned on a few weeks back - seemed to be chademo and the other a useful one. What a stupid idea to put brand new Chademo ones! All that infrastructure and it's only ONE useful charging cable. WTF are they thinking?
Yes Marulan! Both sides of the highway soon. The number of CCS2 plugs available should be in proportion to the number of cars that can accept them
Indeed. Also if you do want to use the 2nd port in a pinch, CHaDeMO to CCS adapters are really pricey....
@@ad_fletch pricey enough that you could instead pay for a tow truck if that happens to be the only option.
I managed 75 kW back in Nov with my EV6
Wow nice Gary!
Worried how long it will take before it's broken and left for months on end while the usual excuse of 'waiting on parts' comes from the manufacturer. BP should diversify and use Delta/Alpitronics/Kempower hardware. Think this unit can charge two at once from memory so a Leaf/Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV could charge while a CCS car is charging as well.
Agreed, we need to use various hardware to dilute supposed supply chain issues
The new Outlander PHEV takes Chademo.
👍
Question. Why is it that BYD and some other brands still use those horrible rubber caps over their CCS2 ports. Whilst other brands, not even the expensive one just have an integrated water resistant charge door?
A very good question
@@LudicrousFeed It just takes away from the premium feel the Atto3 has from the get go. I've never driven one, but when I sat in it, I was astounded by the premium feel for the money, especially after I just test drove the GV60.
Yeah, can't work that out, even my 2014 Outlander has spring loaded flaps, easy open & easy close !!
Cost.
Tritium chargers that work. I wouldn't have believed it if you didn't record it!
That’s why I do these! 😝
Only a few cars have used it (I drive past and check most days) 😉
Only one charger. These days there needs to be a minimum of 4 to 8 chargers installed in a group.
Adoption of electric vehicles is growing faster than the charging infrastructure.
Let BP know that more chargers are needed. Installing only one charger seems like it is just compliance mentality.
I believe they’re trialling one for now to ensure it’s stable on the local supply … hopefully they multiply in years to come
Plug 2 gets the higher charge say 50 kW plug one gets 24.5 kW they spit the charge if both are used at the same time. Shared out put limited to 75 kW.
Yup
Bit of a shame to see new hardware being deployed that can charge two cars at a time but one of them has to be Chademo. I think they make up less than 1% of EV's on the road in Aus, and with the rate of BYD and Tesla deliveries they will be less than 0.1% within a year or two I would imagine. Have 50% of your charging capacity for 0.1% of vehicles seems like a waste of money and resources imo when those few drivers could just get adapters. Heck it would make more sense from a cost perspective to just give out free adapters to the few people that still use Chademo.
Also these really need to be 250kw single, or 125kw with both sides charging to be practical.
Agree with your sentiments. I think 150kW has to be the absolute minimum for chargers such as these
I actually drive pass this corner every day.:)
How convenient for you! Have you had a look yet?
@@LudicrousFeed I've been there couple times, fuel is not always the cheapest, but for sure I will be there more oftern in the future. Ordered a white Atto 3, will be delivered in April/May.
@@samchen0079 Indeed it's rarely cheap for petrol. Just checked my last supercharging bill though - 69 cents per kwh. Faster, but Pulse is cheaper (for now).
Plugshare list these chargers as 75KW
Yup
Those silly rubber boots on the ATO-3 look to be a pain. They need to be spring loaded doors.
They do get tiring after a while!
Let's hope the BP network in Australia doesn't fall into such disgusting dis- repair as in the UK. I've always said, why would you trust the companies with EV infrastructure who are spending huge on lobbying to slow EV adoption? Giving poor performance and experience just helps that lobby.
That charger is better than nothing but way slow at 75kw-
Hopefully ramped up to 150kW in time
I hope for your sake they are more reliable than the ones in the UK. ETA is there only one there? Pathetic. I dont even visit locations with a single charger too high odds are its in use or wont be working , with no backup. It may be a pilot but they need a better start than this to make it atrractive for more peopel to go there than take a chance the single unit wont be occupied.
Agreed. Single stall locations make me super anxious
@@LudicrousFeed They are bad on so many levels including for the operator.
They will have poor utilisation because of blocking and because some (many?) will not bother visiting, any technical issues rule out the whole charge site not just one charger.
They feed anti EV FUD, eg "look theres just one EV pump where you have to wait for an hour even if theres no one already charging, and look just over there are a dozen petrol pumps where it takes me five minutes to refuel and i dont ahve to Q because theyve put enough pumps in" (a very reasonable point based on the evidence).
You'd almost think a fossil fuel corporation was trying to make a bad case for EV chargers "well we installed one and hardly anyone uses it".
Far better to put 4 chargers in on 1/4 the sites or at worst an absolute minimum of 2 per site. Making each one a sole unit is a half-assed approach that does no one any favours.
That's common for Tritinone. Chances are 1 or none will be working. I do not understand why anyone uses their chargers.
Tritinone chargers. Will be dead within 6 months
Would be great A/B testing if BP elected to use another brand of charger for their second and subsequent stalls
Installing Tritinone is insanity. The brand is universally known for poor quality. Even in here a comment from someone in the UK saying the same thing.
This end of year period was a disaster for non Tesla drivers with at least half of the Tritinone chargers having failed, Coffs and port Macquarie with only one working charger and Tesla sites with massive lineups. Sydney now inner west has Everleigh chargers both dead for over 3 months, one of the Evie chargers dead at Marickville metro and the 50kw at Zetland down for over 6 months.
Evie sites and NRMA sites all with dead Tritinone chargers.