I am very happy with this test! Finally, a test where you can not only hear that it is a winter tire and an all-season tire, but also know exactly which brand and model both are!
Great review! However, as shown on the Tyrereviews channel. This is not for all All seasons the case, the Crossclimate2 just stands out considerably compared to other all seasons. Also, the Pirelli is not necessarily the best winter (real snow) tire compared to for example Michelin pilot alpin 5.
We call them All Weather tires in North America, much better in the snow than what we label All season in NA, a good pure winter tire will be better on ice though
Good review. Can see this is a new channel and am sure it'll grow really well. Another tip for these kind of tests - ability to travel up and break coming down slopes/hills. This is where the difference can be for getting home successfully.
Thanks for your feedback :) We did actually test up and downhill ability, though were unable to get the results into these videos - you can see some footage of the test though dotted throughout the snowy tests :)
Dig a bit deeper on the information give in the video, at almost 13% heavier, the BMW 530d M Sport (1725Kg) with the CrossClimate2 is only averagely performing 11% behind the 13% lighter BMW 320i (1529Kg) fitted with dedicated winter tires. I wonder how little difference it would be if the same model vehicles are used for the test!🤔
Interesting point and great research! To be honest, as one of the staff drivers that day for the b roll, I can tell you levels of confidence on the winter is far greater than just the numbers suggest - I'm not sure that they outcome would have been all that different...
I most definitely chose the PIRELLI scorpion weatheractive all season tires for my 2017 VOLVO XC60 and WOW! I’m AMAZED at how well they perform! Yeewozzers!!
It’s not a fair test if you use different cars to assess the different tyres. You need to test two different tyres on the SAME car. This channel is nothing compared to TyreReviews.
Its a fair comment, but ultimately this test was felt better than none - we only have so much money for tyres and cars - sometimes these sort of compromises have to happen to get the message over - as it stands we are comfortable that the findings of the video would not be substantially different had we done the whole lot on either the 5 or the 3 series exclusively.
Been on etyres to look at purchasing the crossclimate 2 tyres. They are not the cheapest, in fact they are just as expensive as the other well known tyre places. I found the same tyres at couple of places cheaper. Etyres was £205 for tyre only in size 255/35/r19 and camskill is £176. Big difference if buying all four tyres.
@@tyreseeker This was the key piece I was looking for. Everyone goes on about how RWD is useless in snow, but I'm pretty sure it's about the tyres more than anything else. Of course, if you pitch RWD vs FWD on same tyres, FWD is more likely to win (given most FWD are heavier at the front too) but I certainly feel a lot more comfortable driving my BMW with CC2s when it's cold and wet.
So glad to see a direct comparison between CrossClimate2 and a set of dedicated winter tire (though I would love to see it compared with X-Ice Snow). Even though safety is priceless; however, at average of 11% differences while the CrossClimate2 was actually on the heavier BMW series 5 vs the dedicated winter tires on the lighter BMW series 3 in the snow performance result. Considering all the other three seasons that the CrossClimate2 will outperform the dedicated winter tire without the need of swapping out, storage or purchased a separate set of tires for only three/four months per year, the CrossClimate2 surely is an excellent value.
Hey George, yep completely agree. AS segment of tyres was pioneered by Mich and they do a really impressive job at it... the UK market don't have the same legal mandate as continental Europe to replace tyres each year for winters, so AS met the UK need perfectly - great wet and cold weather performance with very little trade off on warm weather ability... its a great sector for most drivers... Mich are at the front, but these days Bridgestone and Conti are right up there with them.
Good video but it isn't a like for like test as one is a 3 series and one a 5 series. Were they even the same size tyre?. A narrower tyre probably has an advantage on snow as it can dig its treads in harder with more ground pressure.
Fair comment, but fundamentally the review is sound - the Winter is of course bettering snow, just as the All Season is a better all rounder. No surprises there :) Just needed to graphically show this - another nice view of that in action is the drag race between the winter, the AS and the studded crew car we were using... Also no massive surprises, but fun to watch none-the-less :)
Over the years I prefer all seasons in the winter as it doesn’t snow much in my area and have found older generation winter tires tires to be overly soft, pushy and unsafe on colder dry roads which is 95% of the time for me. My question is does this close spread in the snow indicate these new generation winter tires are also better in the dry, closer to an all season?
Good review overall. The only thing I do not like is the fact you’re using two completely different models with different weight and possibly tire size.
Fair question - it is fully winter rated, but if you are asking, is this the best tyre for the artic circle - then No! Studded tyres are far better if you are spending all year on snow and ice - check our drag race video that shows this VERY clearly - but if you are driving in mainland Europe and want to get to the slopes to go skiing or be safer in long snowy winters - then this is a fine tyre.
Thanks. As a general question, how does one tell a mild winter tire from a Nordic winter tire? I've noticed that marketing and product descriptions almost never clearly distinguish one from the other. It's usually only from product reviews that I can tell the difference. For example, reviews of the Continental Winter Contact vs Continental Viking Contact, or Nokian Snowproof vs Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 will say that one is a mild winter tire and the other is a Nordic winter tire. But the manufacturers themselves don't clearly distinguish them. If I were just shopping for tires at the store and reading the manufacturers' own descriptions, I would have no idea which tire is which. So is there a way to tell whether a tire is a mild winter tire or an extreme winter tire without reading 3rd party reviews? For reference, I live in mid-Michigan, where the local roads are not always plowed. I've been using Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 tires, which allow me to brake on unplowed hardpacked snow without activating ABS.
Very interesting! I would be curious at what temperature you did this test? Is the Michelin CrossClimate 2 rubber stays soft even at very low temperature? (-30C)
Thanks! :) Yep at the facility we were at we had a great big hump back bridge for up and down hill (think there are some shots in the vids of this) and we also had a massive alpine climb route, that didn't make it into the file that gave us a really good impression of climb ability and stability on decents.
Michelin Crossclimate 2 are more expensive than winter tires of different brands! But just realize how good they are if you compare it not to the BEST winter tire !!! 👍
not really sure why it has to be e percentage system for stopping while the ENTIRE world uses distance cause if the car stopped in 100 feet its 11feet which is a car lenght, but if its 10 feet its inches... which doesnt matter, spend all that money going to Sweeden and did all those test and let the accounting deparment write the review...
Hey C0de7 - fair enough! We use this measure as it is generally used in objective tests by professional test agencies. If we'd have let the accountancy department on it, we wouldn't have been allowed to go to Sweden at all LOL
Fair enough! Nokians are top tyres in the snow, but are not readily available for the U.K. market as yet. The U.K. market is our focus at the moment but if we do a mid range winter test next year, there is every chance they will feature 👍🏻
The Hakka R3 treads wear really fast and 80% of their passenger tires were made in Russia (up until a couple months ago) instead of Finland or the USA. I wonder where they're making their pax tires now. Crossclimate 2's or X-Ice Snow are the best quality IMO. I live in a big city so I'll be buying the Crossclimes in December and the 60K warranty. Michelin reputation, and all-weather capability are the clinchers for me.
I am very happy with this test! Finally, a test where you can not only hear that it is a winter tire and an all-season tire, but also know exactly which brand and model both are!
Thanks Zoltan!
I have those tires.. crossclimate2 for all the year...and cinturato2 for winter! I'm glad to see that you've check my choice !
Great review! However, as shown on the Tyrereviews channel. This is not for all All seasons the case, the Crossclimate2 just stands out considerably compared to other all seasons. Also, the Pirelli is not necessarily the best winter (real snow) tire compared to for example Michelin pilot alpin 5.
Thanks Nick - appreciate you taking the time to feedback to our vids :)
We call them All Weather tires in North America, much better in the snow than what we label All season in NA, a good pure winter tire will be better on ice though
Good review. Can see this is a new channel and am sure it'll grow really well.
Another tip for these kind of tests - ability to travel up and break coming down slopes/hills. This is where the difference can be for getting home successfully.
Thanks for your feedback :)
We did actually test up and downhill ability, though were unable to get the results into these videos - you can see some footage of the test though dotted throughout the snowy tests :)
Here, before this channel blows up. Amazing videos.
@mAniAc Thanks so much for your comment! Hopefully much more in the pipeline!
Dig a bit deeper on the information give in the video, at almost 13% heavier, the BMW 530d M Sport (1725Kg) with the CrossClimate2 is only averagely performing 11% behind the 13% lighter BMW 320i (1529Kg) fitted with dedicated winter tires. I wonder how little difference it would be if the same model vehicles are used for the test!🤔
Interesting point and great research! To be honest, as one of the staff drivers that day for the b roll, I can tell you levels of confidence on the winter is far greater than just the numbers suggest - I'm not sure that they outcome would have been all that different...
Great TEST, Thank You, could You please tell me what exactly soundtrack you using for this video , if you can. Thanks
I most definitely chose the PIRELLI scorpion weatheractive all season tires for my 2017 VOLVO XC60 and WOW! I’m AMAZED at how well they perform! Yeewozzers!!
It’s not a fair test if you use different cars to assess the different tyres.
You need to test two different tyres on the SAME car.
This channel is nothing compared to TyreReviews.
Its a fair comment, but ultimately this test was felt better than none - we only have so much money for tyres and cars - sometimes these sort of compromises have to happen to get the message over - as it stands we are comfortable that the findings of the video would not be substantially different had we done the whole lot on either the 5 or the 3 series exclusively.
Been on etyres to look at purchasing the crossclimate 2 tyres. They are not the cheapest, in fact they are just as expensive as the other well known tyre places. I found the same tyres at couple of places cheaper. Etyres was £205 for tyre only in size 255/35/r19 and camskill is £176. Big difference if buying all four tyres.
Were these RWD or AWD?
I would love to see a comparison of RWD vs. AWD with all seasons.
All rear wheel drive. We wanted that red vs 4wd review too, but ran out of time this year. Fingers crossed for next year!
@@tyreseeker brilliant
@@tyreseeker This was the key piece I was looking for. Everyone goes on about how RWD is useless in snow, but I'm pretty sure it's about the tyres more than anything else. Of course, if you pitch RWD vs FWD on same tyres, FWD is more likely to win (given most FWD are heavier at the front too) but I certainly feel a lot more comfortable driving my BMW with CC2s when it's cold and wet.
Would be great to see how the All Season compares to the top Summer Tyre in the summer as well - but interesting video 👍
Noted - its a good call - we'll try to get that done next year when we do the 2023 reviews :)
So glad to see a direct comparison between CrossClimate2 and a set of dedicated winter tire (though I would love to see it compared with X-Ice Snow). Even though safety is priceless; however, at average of 11% differences while the CrossClimate2 was actually on the heavier BMW series 5 vs the dedicated winter tires on the lighter BMW series 3 in the snow performance result. Considering all the other three seasons that the CrossClimate2 will outperform the dedicated winter tire without the need of swapping out, storage or purchased a separate set of tires for only three/four months per year, the CrossClimate2 surely is an excellent value.
Hey George, yep completely agree. AS segment of tyres was pioneered by Mich and they do a really impressive job at it... the UK market don't have the same legal mandate as continental Europe to replace tyres each year for winters, so AS met the UK need perfectly - great wet and cold weather performance with very little trade off on warm weather ability... its a great sector for most drivers... Mich are at the front, but these days Bridgestone and Conti are right up there with them.
Nice one, thanks for this and continue the work. SOmething tells me in few years you will have 100k subs
Good video but it isn't a like for like test as one is a 3 series and one a 5 series. Were they even the same size tyre?. A narrower tyre probably has an advantage on snow as it can dig its treads in harder with more ground pressure.
Fair comment, but fundamentally the review is sound - the Winter is of course bettering snow, just as the All Season is a better all rounder. No surprises there :)
Just needed to graphically show this - another nice view of that in action is the drag race between the winter, the AS and the studded crew car we were using... Also no massive surprises, but fun to watch none-the-less :)
is that not different with pirelli sotozero 3 with cinturato2? I can't find sotozero3 comparisons..
Over the years I prefer all seasons in the winter as it doesn’t snow much in my area and have found older generation winter tires tires to be overly soft, pushy and unsafe on colder dry roads which is 95% of the time for me. My question is does this close spread in the snow indicate these new generation winter tires are also better in the dry, closer to an all season?
Good review overall. The only thing I do not like is the fact you’re using two completely different models with different weight and possibly tire size.
Is this Pirelli Cinturato Winter 2 a mild central European winter tire, or is it a Nordic / northern European winter tire?
Fair question - it is fully winter rated, but if you are asking, is this the best tyre for the artic circle - then No! Studded tyres are far better if you are spending all year on snow and ice - check our drag race video that shows this VERY clearly - but if you are driving in mainland Europe and want to get to the slopes to go skiing or be safer in long snowy winters - then this is a fine tyre.
Thanks. As a general question, how does one tell a mild winter tire from a Nordic winter tire? I've noticed that marketing and product descriptions almost never clearly distinguish one from the other. It's usually only from product reviews that I can tell the difference.
For example, reviews of the Continental Winter Contact vs Continental Viking Contact, or Nokian Snowproof vs Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 will say that one is a mild winter tire and the other is a Nordic winter tire. But the manufacturers themselves don't clearly distinguish them. If I were just shopping for tires at the store and reading the manufacturers' own descriptions, I would have no idea which tire is which.
So is there a way to tell whether a tire is a mild winter tire or an extreme winter tire without reading 3rd party reviews?
For reference, I live in mid-Michigan, where the local roads are not always plowed. I've been using Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 tires, which allow me to brake on unplowed hardpacked snow without activating ABS.
Very interesting! I would be curious at what temperature you did this test?
Is the Michelin CrossClimate 2 rubber stays soft even at very low temperature? (-30C)
We had unusually warm conditions this year, but it was still minus eight degrees when we did the test!
And yes, the rubber stays pliable much lower temps - they are at the best from +7 down to seriously cold -20 or so.
All-weather tires are the best for 4 season regions with snow. Otherwise get a Michelin premium, long lasting all-season.
Thank you for the video. How are these on ice? Have you tried them on uphill and downhill.
Thanks! :)
Yep at the facility we were at we had a great big hump back bridge for up and down hill (think there are some shots in the vids of this) and we also had a massive alpine climb route, that didn't make it into the file that gave us a really good impression of climb ability and stability on decents.
Michelin Crossclimate 2 are more expensive than winter tires of different brands! But just realize how good they are if you compare it not to the BEST winter tire !!! 👍
All season from a Pirelli man?
Most cars, today, are front-wheel drive. Why do people insist on testing tires on rear-wheel drives?
not really sure why it has to be e percentage system for stopping while the ENTIRE world uses distance cause if the car stopped in 100 feet its 11feet which is a car lenght, but if its 10 feet its inches... which doesnt matter, spend all that money going to Sweeden and did all those test and let the accounting deparment write the review...
Hey C0de7 - fair enough! We use this measure as it is generally used in objective tests by professional test agencies. If we'd have let the accountancy department on it, we wouldn't have been allowed to go to Sweden at all LOL
This test has no sense, they use different cars with different tyre sizes, different engines, it is usless!
If you don't want to talk Nokien Tyres I don't want to watch
Fair enough! Nokians are top tyres in the snow, but are not readily available for the U.K. market as yet. The U.K. market is our focus at the moment but if we do a mid range winter test next year, there is every chance they will feature 👍🏻
The Hakka R3 treads wear really fast and 80% of their passenger tires were made in Russia (up until a couple months ago) instead of Finland or the USA. I wonder where they're making their pax tires now. Crossclimate 2's or X-Ice Snow are the best quality IMO. I live in a big city so I'll be buying the Crossclimes in December and the 60K warranty. Michelin reputation, and all-weather capability are the clinchers for me.