Saucony did exactly what they wanted to do with the Speed 3, tamed it for the masses. And effectively turned into a speedy daily trainer. With enough stability for nearly everyone to be able to get along with. All my higher end has been replaced with Takumi Sen8/Puma Deviate Elite V1, and long runs with the Invincible V2. If I wasn't a HUGE AlphaFly V1/Tempo Next% fan, I would have already picked up a pair of Pro 3's. But I can only have so many shoes before I "hear" about it at home. ;) Another informative update review Andy!
Totally agree with all you say here: exactly the way I experienced the different versions! Absolutely love the 3, but not as a replacement for the 1 or 2. For that I got a heavily discounted Takumi Sen 8 😊
I am training for a Half Marathon in early March. My current shoe rotation is the Speed 3 for Recovery and Daily runs, the Nike Streakfly for tempo/speed sessions, and the Endorphin Pro 3 for long runs. I plan on running the Half Marathon in the Pro 3.
Hi Andy, I loved my speed 2s but with the less than 300 miles the outsole is pretty beat up, and being mid way into a marathon training block and wanting a speedier goal marathon pace shoe for the 16-20 mile long runs have just bought the speed 3s and I love them. They fit very nicely in the rotation with NB more V4s, Saucony pro 3 put aside for the marathon race only! and takumi sen 8s. I have the Brighton 1/2 coming up so will use the speed 3s wanting run in and around goal marathon pace, I have nothing but praise for these shoes and would gladly run any race distance up to marathon in them
I’m not surprised how you’ve been using it … a truly good contender for trips away when we only wanna pack one shoe OR those who only want one shoe for all their running !
one thing many overlook is the laces in these SPeed 3's in my triumph 20 and hokas laces have very little give to allow strech when feet get warm, these speeds 3 have more give in the laces and prevent top of foot pain and tendon issues or at least help prevent
Hey Andy, I have both the Novoblast 3s and Speed 3s, I find the Speed 3 more responsive than the Novoblast 3, they get me more on my toes and turning over more quickly. I bought them to use in a half marathon I am training for, so going on your review seems like a good choice. Not sure whether it is just in my head, but I seem to cruise at 10-20 seconds quicker than the Novoblast. Love the videos BTW, especially the long run vids with Matt the Welsh runner 🙂
Saucony have sacrificed the edge of the Speed 3 (from V1/2) to ensure it is wider for the masses & the Pro 3 is clearly their race shoe... which they've done an absolute job on! This does open up the market... Streak fly vs Takumi 8/9 vs Magic Speed vs Hyperion Max... Deviate Nitro... that'd be a great test!
I’m loving the Speed 3 as a daily and long run shoe. Onto my 3rd pair having done 500miles in each of the previous two. I use the inov8 boomerang insoles with them and they feel great. I’ve been running threshold pace intervals in it too and while it’s not quite as quick as my speed 1s, my right foot with a collapsed arch doesn’t hurt when I run in the 3
I might try adding the layer of powerrun foam below the insole. I have two, one from a pair of Triumph 19 and the other from the Peregrine 10). Thanks for the heads up!
I think you nailed it with the description. I did choose the speed 3 for a 28k trail race and it was perfect. Grip and stability no problems except on soft sand. I would never have considered the speed 2 for that. However Andy you have triggered a desire to pull out the speed 2 for a run. I've actually replaced the speed 2 with adidas takumi Sen 8 and Prime X Strung for shorter and longer efforts respectively. Personally I think saucony should keep making the speed 2 because I think a lot people will still buy it. They are missing a trick for sure as Speed 2 and 3 could be a good combination.
Currently waiting on delivery of Speed 3 and Triumph 20 to help with the last 12 weeks of marathon training. Currently in the Triumph 18 and i'm struggling with speed as they are very heavy and mushy.
I love the Speed 3 but I just wish it could handle the trails. I realize it's a road shoe but I feel I could go for much longer distances compared to my pink Edge shoes. I'm trying out the Xodus Ultras (only 20 miles on them)... I like them so far but the Speed 3s work for me the best overall.
Thank you for the review Andy, I do not quite have the same experience with the outsole. I have the idea the rubber is not wear resistant and have seen pretty much from the beginning the outsole disappear.
I just started using the Craft pro endur distance and find it better than any of the saucony shoes I have,which is a lot..the #1 criteria for me is how the midsole feels on my forefoot..non of the saucony shoes are very comfortable and I always regret putting them on quite soon after I start running..the most comfortable shoe I own at the moment is altra Rivera 2..not great for running hard but my feet always smile when I wear..I find them perfect for daily activities and especially for treadmill jogging..
I like that they have removed the top end speed and I only hope they keep it this way for the fourth iteration. Have been using this for all my daily training and easy miles, much prefer this to any of the other sluggish foamballs daily trainers on the market now. You’ve got me interested in the Hyperion max for the 1-2 combo with speed3, I may just pick it up since we both love the speed3 and I hope it is safe to say I will like the HMAX as much as you do.
After buying these and just simply walking in them I noticed a small issue with the left shoe; where the heel ends and the arch of the foot begins, I could feel a pressure point. I took out the insole and bent it backwards a bit at that specific point and it seems quite a bit better. Just letting anyone know if they find themselves (literally) in my shoes
I have the Speed 2 and 3 and I prefer V2. I do find V3 SUPERB for speed runs. Max effort and the shoe is not happy. Slow runs I am not happy.. Unstable and mushy. I am beginning to take the name off the shoes more seriously. Speed for speed.. Pro for the Pro.. Elite not for me... For long runs I now use the Triumph 20 which is excellent and Novablast 3 which is unstable but with Currex insoles perfect. Did 21k in Novablast 3 (Currex insoles) was fresh the next day.
I have been disappointed with the speed 3 as I wanted it to do the role of the speed 2, You are spot on. I should have known after watching Kieran Alger's last year with is Danube run (where the 3 was easier on him then the 2) .. so for my tempo/faster work I am using a mixture of an old pair of Mizuno rebellions I had in the garage from early last year (hard ride but can pick up speed well) , and my Puma Nitro elites (light and quick) . The speed 3's are still a great do it all shoe if you are on a budget , but wont be replacing them with the same shoe when I hit 200 miles. I feel I can get the same performance from other shoes at a better purchase price. And better shoes to focus on my faster work. I too have been using the shift for my long Z2 runs , was not sure the first 50 miles , but I am currently 170 miles in and they are like and old friend.
Yeah you kind of felt with speed 1 and 2 you’d want to replace them asap but the 3 feels a bit different for sure, definitely so many other solid options for the same type of shoe!
Loved my endorphin 2, love love my pro 3.. today m’y endorphin 3 some of the outsole came lose and started dragging on the ground half way through long run. Have email company for a replacement
I have 2 and 3 in my rotation. 3 is my easy day shoe and the 2 I use for all my speed work. My 3’s have done just over 100 miles and the logo has delaminated really badly on my right shoe. That’s the only disappointment with them.
Great review! Bit of a weird question. Is the Speed 3 good for daily walking? Is the Nylon plate stiff and uncomfortable at walking pace. This shoe seems very flexible and nice. Any help will be appreciated😄
@@TheFODRunner I’m getting the Speed 3 for a good discount haha. Between the Pegasus 39 and the Speed 3, which will u choose for daily lifestyle, walking and sometimes running?
Hey! Thanks for the great review. Considering we all have different paces depending on our running journey, could you please tell me the best pace range (in min/mile-km) this shoe should be used at (whether you call that pace easy run or threshold for me 😁) and when it gets uncomfortable? I'm struggling to find answers with metrics... 🙏
Of course, I find this shoe really good at “moderate pace” which is half way between easy pace and marathon pace… right the way up to 10k pace intervals… so for me that’s 6:40 per mile up to around 5:20 per mile
@@TheFODRunner thank you! So if I understand correctly, if i never run much faster than 7' per mile (whether on a 10k or half marathon) this is not the right shoe?
I’d say pace isn’t applicable, I’d say it’s the effort you put in. Universally I think most people find this shoe good for moderate paces right up to that 10k effort but any faster and there’s better lighter and faster shoes out there. So I’d say it’s more relative to effort rather than specific paces
@@TheFODRunner I have the Speed 2 with 130miles on it only and just got the Speed 3 so will use both in my rotation. Would continuing to use the Speed 2 for speed intervals workouts and the Speed 3 for moderate to 10k pace short and long runs be a good combo? I also have the Triumph 20 to use on easy short and long runs. For races would you choose the Speed 2 for 5k race and the Speed 3 for 10k up to marathon races? or Speed 2 for all races?
Thanks for the review. I'm really on the fence on this shoe. At the moment I am doing a lot of daily runs in either a Nike Pegasus or Hoka Clifton, both in the wider version (my foot splays). I was drawn to this shoe, partly because it has a wider toe box, also because they make it in a wider version, but I;'m not quite sure what purpose it serves anymore. I use a New Balance Rebel and a Saucony Kinvara for fartleks, and up tempo workouts. I was thinking this shoe might beat both of those for longevity and that it could also double as a race day shoe. I'm just not fast enough for those ridiculous race shoes, and this one is a little bit more affordable. If nothing else I was thinking of it as an entryway into the plated shoe market. Could you run a full marathon at a decent pace in this shoe? Or should I consider something like the Brooks Hyperion instead? Is it basically just the same as the NB Rebel or something like the Hoka Mach 5? (Both of which are cheaper) I'm wondering if maybe I should just find a durable, up tempo shoe that can remain comfortable for a full marathon, until maybe I'm ready for a proper race day shoe.
It’s softer like the rebel… the rebel is probably a bit softer but it’s close to that 👍 and it’ll definitely do a marathon without fail, it’s geared up for longer distances for sure, just goes a bit mushy I find! But overall it’s super comfy! Sounds like your current rotation is perfect… but this would definitely double as a race shoe
@@TheFODRunner Thanks for the prompt response. Do you think, given my rotation, the ES3 is the best option? Should I consider something like the Asics Magic Speed, or the Brooks Hyperion instead? I just get the sense a lot of brands, Saucony especially, are moving away from discerning purpose shoes, tailored to specific needs, and towards trying to serve as big a market as possible. The only specific need to which a lot of brands still cater is the super race shoe, probably because they are expensive and people will but them up. The rest of the shoe lineups just all seem to blend. The new Kinvara looks like the NB Rebel. And the Kinvara Pro seems to have nothing to do with that line. I wonder if it is the new in between option for Saucony plated shoes, what the old Speeds used to be.
You’re right, they’re designed to appeal to a wider audience these days… It would be between the hyperion tempo/hyperion max and the speed if it was me, and then it comes down to whether you prefer a firmer midsole or softer midsole… as the brooks will be firmer and the saucony will be softer 👍
I’d say about half of them… I’m doing a lot more asphalt miles in them now they’re past 100 miles as I’m doing more easy runs in them and they tend to be on the roads
@@TheFODRunner Thanks! Do you think I could squeeze 600-700 miles on the raod/asphalt? To be honest I am torn about whether to buy this or Glycerin 20? I do 5k x3-x4 a week. Slow paste.
I’ll be honest… no 😬 I reckon this is a 400 mile shoe… at a push 500… I’ve seen lots of people have theirs for just over 300 and they show some bigger signs of wear and tear so I think 600/700 would be pushing it
Saucony did exactly what they wanted to do with the Speed 3, tamed it for the masses. And effectively turned into a speedy daily trainer. With enough stability for nearly everyone to be able to get along with. All my higher end has been replaced with Takumi Sen8/Puma Deviate Elite V1, and long runs with the Invincible V2. If I wasn't a HUGE AlphaFly V1/Tempo Next% fan, I would have already picked up a pair of Pro 3's. But I can only have so many shoes before I "hear" about it at home. ;)
Another informative update review Andy!
Yeah so many have been nerfed to cater for a wider audience, the “edgy” shoes are slowly disappearing
Totally agree with all you say here: exactly the way I experienced the different versions! Absolutely love the 3, but not as a replacement for the 1 or 2. For that I got a heavily discounted Takumi Sen 8 😊
I am training for a Half Marathon in early March. My current shoe rotation is the Speed 3 for Recovery and Daily runs, the Nike Streakfly for tempo/speed sessions, and the Endorphin Pro 3 for long runs. I plan on running the Half Marathon in the Pro 3.
Hi Andy, I loved my speed 2s but with the less than 300 miles the outsole is pretty beat up, and being mid way into a marathon training block and wanting a speedier goal marathon pace shoe for the 16-20 mile long runs have just bought the speed 3s and I love them. They fit very nicely in the rotation with NB more V4s, Saucony pro 3 put aside for the marathon race only! and takumi sen 8s. I have the Brighton 1/2 coming up so will use the speed 3s wanting run in and around goal marathon pace, I have nothing but praise for these shoes and would gladly run any race distance up to marathon in them
I’m not surprised how you’ve been using it … a truly good contender for trips away when we only wanna pack one shoe OR those who only want one shoe for all their running !
Exactly! If I was to go away for a week, I’d take these!
one thing many overlook is the laces in these SPeed 3's in my triumph 20 and hokas laces have very little give to allow strech when feet get warm, these speeds 3 have more give in the laces and prevent top of foot pain and tendon issues or at least help prevent
Hey Andy, I have both the Novoblast 3s and Speed 3s, I find the Speed 3 more responsive than the Novoblast 3, they get me more on my toes and turning over more quickly. I bought them to use in a half marathon I am training for, so going on your review seems like a good choice. Not sure whether it is just in my head, but I seem to cruise at 10-20 seconds quicker than the Novoblast.
Love the videos BTW, especially the long run vids with Matt the Welsh runner 🙂
Yeah I find the same, they do make you more efficient don’t they! Thanks Simon 👍
Saucony have sacrificed the edge of the Speed 3 (from V1/2) to ensure it is wider for the masses & the Pro 3 is clearly their race shoe... which they've done an absolute job on!
This does open up the market... Streak fly vs Takumi 8/9 vs Magic Speed vs Hyperion Max... Deviate Nitro... that'd be a great test!
I’m loving the Speed 3 as a daily and long run shoe. Onto my 3rd pair having done 500miles in each of the previous two.
I use the inov8 boomerang insoles with them and they feel great. I’ve been running threshold pace intervals in it too and while it’s not quite as quick as my speed 1s, my right foot with a collapsed arch doesn’t hurt when I run in the 3
That’s good to hear they’re working for you so well buddy!
I might try adding the layer of powerrun foam below the insole. I have two, one from a pair of Triumph 19 and the other from the Peregrine 10). Thanks for the heads up!
I think you nailed it with the description. I did choose the speed 3 for a 28k trail race and it was perfect. Grip and stability no problems except on soft sand. I would never have considered the speed 2 for that.
However Andy you have triggered a desire to pull out the speed 2 for a run.
I've actually replaced the speed 2 with adidas takumi Sen 8 and Prime X Strung for shorter and longer efforts respectively.
Personally I think saucony should keep making the speed 2 because I think a lot people will still buy it. They are missing a trick for sure as Speed 2 and 3 could be a good combination.
Yeah they do feel like 2 different shoes don’t they. I kind of miss the speed 1 and 2!
I use them for easy longs too.
over 400km in mine and holding up fine.
Currently waiting on delivery of Speed 3 and Triumph 20 to help with the last 12 weeks of marathon training. Currently in the Triumph 18 and i'm struggling with speed as they are very heavy and mushy.
They are a heavy shoe, the speed 3 will feel featherweight compared to those
I love the Speed 3 but I just wish it could handle the trails. I realize it's a road shoe but I feel I could go for much longer distances compared to my pink Edge shoes. I'm trying out the Xodus Ultras (only 20 miles on them)... I like them so far but the Speed 3s work for me the best overall.
Thank you for the review Andy, I do not quite have the same experience with the outsole. I have the idea the rubber is not wear resistant and have seen pretty much from the beginning the outsole disappear.
Oh wow really? That’s not good! Maybe I’m just lucky?!
@@TheFODRunner its more my running style. This far it has only been continental outsole that can deal with it!
@@TheFODRunner Same for me after 150km I see a lot of wear and I am afraid that I won’t be able to do more than 300km on them 😢
I just started using the Craft pro endur distance and find it better than any of the saucony shoes I have,which is a lot..the #1 criteria for me is how the midsole feels on my forefoot..non of the saucony shoes are very comfortable and I always regret putting them on quite soon after I start running..the most comfortable shoe I own at the moment is altra Rivera 2..not great for running hard but my feet always smile when I wear..I find them perfect for daily activities and especially for treadmill jogging..
Oh that’s very interesting to hear, I’ve not heard much about the craft shoes to be honest so good to hear some positive feedback on them 👍
I like that they have removed the top end speed and I only hope they keep it this way for the fourth iteration. Have been using this for all my daily training and easy miles, much prefer this to any of the other sluggish foamballs daily trainers on the market now. You’ve got me interested in the Hyperion max for the 1-2 combo with speed3, I may just pick it up since we both love the speed3 and I hope it is safe to say I will like the HMAX as much as you do.
They are certainly an appealing easy day option! If you’re curious about the foam in the max, definitely try the tempos first as they’re on discount 👍
After buying these and just simply walking in them I noticed a small issue with the left shoe; where the heel ends and the arch of the foot begins, I could feel a pressure point. I took out the insole and bent it backwards a bit at that specific point and it seems quite a bit better. Just letting anyone know if they find themselves (literally) in my shoes
I have the Speed 2 and 3 and I prefer V2. I do find V3 SUPERB for speed runs. Max effort and the shoe is not happy. Slow runs I am not happy.. Unstable and mushy. I am beginning to take the name off the shoes more seriously. Speed for speed.. Pro for the Pro.. Elite not for me... For long runs I now use the Triumph 20 which is excellent and Novablast 3 which is unstable but with Currex insoles perfect. Did 21k in Novablast 3 (Currex insoles) was fresh the next day.
Really enjoyed mine, don’t use it for anything faster than 6.30min/mile. Done about 400+ miles in mine. On all sorts of terrain
Great mileage in them 👍
A good honest review 👌 👏 👍
Thanks mark
Nice report! Which shoes do you use for those faster efforts? I am also using speed3 for max marathon efforts (3:55-4.10/km)
At the moment I’ve got the ASICS magic speed 2 and the Nike Streakfly for those top end efforts!
I have been disappointed with the speed 3 as I wanted it to do the role of the speed 2, You are spot on. I should have known after watching Kieran Alger's last year with is Danube run (where the 3 was easier on him then the 2) .. so for my tempo/faster work I am using a mixture of an old pair of Mizuno rebellions I had in the garage from early last year (hard ride but can pick up speed well) , and my Puma Nitro elites (light and quick) . The speed 3's are still a great do it all shoe if you are on a budget , but wont be replacing them with the same shoe when I hit 200 miles. I feel I can get the same performance from other shoes at a better purchase price. And better shoes to focus on my faster work. I too have been using the shift for my long Z2 runs , was not sure the first 50 miles , but I am currently 170 miles in and they are like and old friend.
Yeah you kind of felt with speed 1 and 2 you’d want to replace them asap but the 3 feels a bit different for sure, definitely so many other solid options for the same type of shoe!
Still rocking my Speed 2 on about 700k still in great condition
Wow great mileage!
Loved my endorphin 2, love love my pro 3.. today m’y endorphin 3 some of the outsole came lose and started dragging on the ground half way through long run. Have email company for a replacement
Ah no! That’s not good! I had the same in my speed v1 after 250 miles
I have 2 and 3 in my rotation. 3 is my easy day shoe and the 2 I use for all my speed work. My 3’s have done just over 100 miles and the logo has delaminated really badly on my right shoe. That’s the only disappointment with them.
Great review! Bit of a weird question. Is the Speed 3 good for daily walking? Is the Nylon plate stiff and uncomfortable at walking pace. This shoe seems very flexible and nice. Any help will be appreciated😄
No the nylon plate isn’t stiff! I’d probably chose the shift 3 instead of the speed 3 though for walking!
@@TheFODRunner I’m getting the Speed 3 for a good discount haha. Between the Pegasus 39 and the Speed 3, which will u choose for daily lifestyle, walking and sometimes running?
Hey! Thanks for the great review. Considering we all have different paces depending on our running journey, could you please tell me the best pace range (in min/mile-km) this shoe should be used at (whether you call that pace easy run or threshold for me 😁) and when it gets uncomfortable? I'm struggling to find answers with metrics... 🙏
Of course, I find this shoe really good at “moderate pace” which is half way between easy pace and marathon pace… right the way up to 10k pace intervals… so for me that’s 6:40 per mile up to around 5:20 per mile
@@TheFODRunner thank you! So if I understand correctly, if i never run much faster than 7' per mile (whether on a 10k or half marathon) this is not the right shoe?
I’d say pace isn’t applicable, I’d say it’s the effort you put in. Universally I think most people find this shoe good for moderate paces right up to that 10k effort but any faster and there’s better lighter and faster shoes out there. So I’d say it’s more relative to effort rather than specific paces
@@TheFODRunner I have the Speed 2 with 130miles on it only and just got the Speed 3 so will use both in my rotation.
Would continuing to use the Speed 2 for speed intervals workouts and the Speed 3 for moderate to 10k pace short and long runs be a good combo?
I also have the Triumph 20 to use on easy short and long runs.
For races would you choose the Speed 2 for 5k race and the Speed 3 for 10k up to marathon races? or Speed 2 for all races?
@@finproductions good combo yes…. But I’d use the speed 2 for all races!
Thanks for the review. I'm really on the fence on this shoe. At the moment I am doing a lot of daily runs in either a Nike Pegasus or Hoka Clifton, both in the wider version (my foot splays). I was drawn to this shoe, partly because it has a wider toe box, also because they make it in a wider version, but I;'m not quite sure what purpose it serves anymore.
I use a New Balance Rebel and a Saucony Kinvara for fartleks, and up tempo workouts. I was thinking this shoe might beat both of those for longevity and that it could also double as a race day shoe. I'm just not fast enough for those ridiculous race shoes, and this one is a little bit more affordable. If nothing else I was thinking of it as an entryway into the plated shoe market.
Could you run a full marathon at a decent pace in this shoe? Or should I consider something like the Brooks Hyperion instead? Is it basically just the same as the NB Rebel or something like the Hoka Mach 5? (Both of which are cheaper) I'm wondering if maybe I should just find a durable, up tempo shoe that can remain comfortable for a full marathon, until maybe I'm ready for a proper race day shoe.
It’s softer like the rebel… the rebel is probably a bit softer but it’s close to that 👍 and it’ll definitely do a marathon without fail, it’s geared up for longer distances for sure, just goes a bit mushy I find! But overall it’s super comfy! Sounds like your current rotation is perfect… but this would definitely double as a race shoe
@@TheFODRunner Thanks for the prompt response. Do you think, given my rotation, the ES3 is the best option? Should I consider something like the Asics Magic Speed, or the Brooks Hyperion instead?
I just get the sense a lot of brands, Saucony especially, are moving away from discerning purpose shoes, tailored to specific needs, and towards trying to serve as big a market as possible. The only specific need to which a lot of brands still cater is the super race shoe, probably because they are expensive and people will but them up. The rest of the shoe lineups just all seem to blend. The new Kinvara looks like the NB Rebel. And the Kinvara Pro seems to have nothing to do with that line. I wonder if it is the new in between option for Saucony plated shoes, what the old Speeds used to be.
You’re right, they’re designed to appeal to a wider audience these days…
It would be between the hyperion tempo/hyperion max and the speed if it was me, and then it comes down to whether you prefer a firmer midsole or softer midsole… as the brooks will be firmer and the saucony will be softer 👍
I'm training in them for the upcoming Rome marathon and will probably wear them on race day too.
Awesome!
I didn’t like the 2’s, well I mean they were comfy but I didn’t find them a fast shoe at all
Softer is good. It took 100 miles for the speed 1 to feel not bad to me. And softer still at 200 miles. It's a fast shoe, but I still don't like it.
I can keep buying speed 1 or 2 super cheap. Even see a new pro 2 for $70 US😅
Can I ask you how many asphalt miles you have done if at all out of 100 miles in this pair?
I’d say about half of them… I’m doing a lot more asphalt miles in them now they’re past 100 miles as I’m doing more easy runs in them and they tend to be on the roads
@@TheFODRunner Thanks! Do you think I could squeeze 600-700 miles on the raod/asphalt? To be honest I am torn about whether to buy this or Glycerin 20? I do 5k x3-x4 a week. Slow paste.
I’ll be honest… no 😬 I reckon this is a 400 mile shoe… at a push 500… I’ve seen lots of people have theirs for just over 300 and they show some bigger signs of wear and tear so I think 600/700 would be pushing it
Heel comfort? I read a few reviews saying that it rubbed?
No issues for me 👍
P.S Vaporfly 3 drop March 6th 😯
I know! I’m not sure how I feel about them… I’m not too excited 😬
Is this shoe only good for 200 miles??
No it’s got more life left in it!
Well because of the wear of the sole I think that you can’t go any further than this in my opinion
3 is worse in lasting or wear vs the 2, literally by months.