It’s so crazy how different our playthroughs are, I never found guardian ape to be unreasonably difficult however Midir is definitely been one of my hardest fights in the entire series
Don’t understand how O and S even made this list, every time I fight it’s first try. But somehow midir didn’t make it and I’ve only killed him once by my self.
Never would i have guessed to see the demon princes here. Like me personally, i probably would've named 20 other bosses before they would even cross my mind
The Godskin Duo didn't trouble me at all. However, the Godskin Apostle in the tower in Caelid gave me nightmares. Maybe I was under-leveled when I fought him, but that was a tremendously hard fight.
Same here. I think it has to do with being underleved as you mentioned, but also with the fact that the moment you download his moveset he becomes pretty easy on next encounters. Have in mind you fight him again on the Windmill Village and then a third time vs Godskin Duo, so that makes three encounters in three different stages of a playthrough.
Honestly, I find Malenias moveset without Waterfowl dance to be pretty challenging, I think what most people don’t realize when they say Malenia would be easy without the healing or waterfowl is that they got good at the main fundamentals of the fight. She wouldn’t be as hard sure, probably around the difficulty of Radagon. During my recent playthrough, I focused a lot on getting around waterfowl, which I got decent at. What usually killed me though was her regular moveset. It made me really appreciate the fight for what it was. And yeah, Waterfowl dance is still BS.
i was so surprised to see you only have 1000 subs, from the quality and just overall content of the video i expected you to have so much more, keep it up
My personal list #1: Isshin sword Saint #2 Melenia #3 Sister Friede #4 Midir #5 Orphan of Kos #6 Maliketh #7 Nameless King #8 Gael #9 Ludwig #10 Lady Maria
I’d personally take Ludwig off the list and replace him with either Laurence or Demon of Hatred, purely because his second phase is quite a bit easier for me to deal with. Might put Manus on the list as well because you need to fight him with DS1 player speed, he’s a tough mf
The top three hardest bosses are Demon of Hatred, Orphan of Kos and Malenia. End of story. shout out to those two shark things in the well though, they're a pain in the ass
On my first playthrough I unlocked the fire umbrella specifically for the demon then hardly used it. All his fire whip attacks have massive blind spots and if you know where they are you don't even have to dodge, you can just spam attack and parry when he goes for stomp attacks.
Pretty good video. However for the Malenia section there is another way to dodge waterfowl dance up close which I find to be much easier and more consistent than the circle strafe. You can do a running jump away from the first flurry to avoid it, then just roll through the rest. I recommend you check out the video “stop complaining about waterfowl dance” by Loopine if you want to see several examples of the dodge. Good luck with making your next video.
Thank you for giving demon of hatred some love! Everyone try’s to play him like a Souls boss but he is fully a Shinobi boss. Katana, prosthetics, speed, deflection
When i first got to melania she felt more do able than the godskin duo and even bosses like maliketh and mohg, those fights absolutely destroyed me but melania felt like i could beat her with time, the other 3 made me feel hopless getting 2 shot over and over making no progress
If I was forced to gunpoint to make top 10… 10 - Dragon God 9 - Bed of Chaos 8 - Sir Alonne 7 - Nameless King 6 - Laurence 5 - Malenia/Isshin Ashina 4 - Demon Prince/Demon of Hatred 3 - Maliketh 2 - Orphan of Kos 1 - Inner Isshin/Defiled Amygdala
I think it is intended that you run away, but it’s a screw that she can go into it right on top of you however, I have been locked on up close and dodge through it. Circling round her is the strat cuz she will go shooting of in the opposite direction if you time your dodge right but I don’t know if that’s abusing the a.I though
Never got to Kos in my dlc playthrough but from how everyone talks about him, I was shocked when I saw him that low. And as far as the waterfowl dance, I don’t hold that against malenia cause I look at it from a sports perspective. Kobe/mj had the unstoppable fadeaway, dirk has the one foot leaner, Kareem had the hook, bron has the staring at the ball 3. It’s her go to move that she has in her bag
Great video! 21:58 it’s right here that yes I do understand why you put malenia with Genichiro with how it feels to beat her I mostly hate her not for the challenge but for the placement of that challenge is literally the end of the game with Genichiro you can theoretically get mad and storm off to the depths/Senpo temple etc with Malenia you literally have only the choice to back track through things you missed or to grind to get good it’s just a frustrating wall with little hand holds to get up it and yes that’s ironic because I love the demon of hatred more than almost any boss is souls besides Ishin himself
I have to agree; Sekiro is as close to perfection I have ever seen in a game. Loved and finished, multiple times, all the Souls games and I have played Sekiro more than all of them combined.
Good ranking. Funnily enough I found Malenia's fight very doable with a simple "sword and shield build". With 30 stamina and a brass shield, I was able to fully block the first flurry of WFD (without any shield AoW). She heals, but it's not much and you can easily out damage that. Utilizing guard counters on her was really helpful, gave alot of riposte opportunities, which easily made up for whatever she heals back. Honestly I think her self-heal is just a psychological thing to build pressure. It's not something that invalidates builds or something, like i thought it would earlier. Also like others said, running and jumping from WFD's first flurry is the best method imo. It even works close range (esp with large wpns). I'm honestly surprised it gets overshadowed by that weird circle strat. Its a shame coz people might get discouraged after seeing that the most common way to handle it is so obtuse and complex.
Great video! I agree with most of these takes, though I definitely would've put Mohg, Dancer, Fire Giant, or even Ludwig ahead of Guardian ape. Nice to see O&S on the list though (It's peak)
the things people find hard/easy in fromsoft games. i found the godskin duo easy af with no summons, but found orphan of kos to be hard af. the godskin duo only really became hard in ng+7 because of the health scaling
I love Malenia, she's been my favorite boss in Elden Ring since my first playthrough (and I play without summons too, she took me over 6 hours initially). Idk, she killed me with a lot of different moves, not just waterfowl. I ended up just shielding the first flurry if she caught me up close, then dodging the second and walking backwards for the third (she doesn't recover much health this way, although stamina management is key or she'll break your guard, which added another layer to the fight). Even if she initiates the move up close, full sprint with a jump can avoid the first flurry 9 times out of 10. I love the idea of an optional super boss who throws all kinds of crazy attacks, regens health and causes rot. I hope the DLC gives us a boss with just as much bullshit. Also, I'm pretty consistent at beating her these days, my least favorite attack now is Aeonian Bloom because it pauses the fight. I agree with the majority of your list though (besides O and S, honestly Mohg, Fume Knight, Laurence, and Radagon/Elden Beast would all be better picks, imo). Defiled Chalice Watchdog or Amygdala should be on the list if those count as well.
My list: (I haven’t played Sekiro, but I tell myself I will one day) 1. Malenia 2. Midir (MUCH easier on subsequent plays, but took me more tries to beat than any boss ever.) 3. Sir Alonne 4. Orphan of Kos 5. The Fume Knight 6. Laurence 7. Defiled Watchdog (you know the one) 8. Sister Friede 9. Godskin Duo (without bleed) 10. Gael
Malenia can be cheesed in so many ways due to elden rings massive build diversity. I beat her my 2nd try my first playthrough with moghs spear and 2nd playthrough i beat her in like 5 trys as a mage. Sekiro gives you no build diversity so you actually have to learn the game mechanics to actually finish the game (you have to actually get good). With that said Isshin was a complete nightmare and demon of hatred is the only boss i have never beaten in the series, his move set is so unpredictable and the fight is like like 20mins long and you get one shot by 1 misstake if you dont have a health pool appropriate for the fight. He is the only boss that actually made me give up.
Yup same mohgs spear I demolished her. I went in with a mimic and mohgs cause of all the hype saying she was so hard and just wrecked her with my mimic. Like just my mimic and her would have been more fair 😆. To me Elden rings hardest bosses were the real early bosses like my hardest fight was the tree sentinel when u walk out in lime grave I spent 2 hours on just him fresh thinking it’s what I was supposed to do.
My list: 1. Malenia 2. Orphan 3. Sword Saint Isshin 4. Ludwig 5. Owl father 6. Gael 7. Nameless King 8. Manus 9. Friede 10. Mohg What I love most about the difficulty ranking is how every player had a different experience and had difficulty with completely different bosses based on their playstyle and way of learning the patterns. I have had quite an easy time with Demon of Hatred, Midir and Pontif but man, I don't often see Gael too high in those lists but he kicked my ass... I also think Mohg is quite underrated if you don't use all of the items to counter him. Special shoutout to O&S, Radahn, Guardian Ape and Demon Prince
waterfowl dance is the definiative proof that malenia is a sekiro boss in disguise. i garentee that if we could deflect like in sekiro she would not only be a balanced boss but a fun boss to fight. i was just replaying and fighting her and the rest of her moveset is pretty fair its just the waterfowl dance.
Read a comment surprised on your sub count and I couldn’t agree more this was an amazing video super high quality, you earned a sub from me for sure hope many more come your way
As a melee build person. You can dodge waterfowl normally. You have to play around with it but you can absolutely dodge it without cheesing her AI. I think you just need more time to practice dodging it
@@CosmicEye597 no problem! I really enjoyed your video, so tonight I've been watching more. You're really entertaining and make some great content! Keep up the awesome work!
idk why, but when i first played through dark souls 1, orinstein and smough took me at least 35 attempts. But when i replayed the game a year later, i beat them third try.
For Malenia and spirit ashes, I have to say that she's one of the worst bosses to summon against. I really don't think she was designed to be fought with spirits, like the Godskin Duo. I think she might have actually been built to counter them. She can heal off of them, her hyperarmor means that you can't just rush her down and stunlock her like you might with other humanoid bosses, her phase transition obliterates any summons, and if that doesn't get them, Valkyrie Phantoms will. There's some summons that geniunely make her harder. With that being said, there's also some that make her easier: Alecto comes to mind, as well as the infamous Mimic Tear (although this one depends on your build, I guess). But those two can basically cheese the entire game for you, so I'm not too surprised. I think that most other summons will probably make her a little easier, but they won't remove the challenge entirely.
I think you nailed the top three, but I disagree with some of your points about Malenia. In my opinion, she would not be a joke without Waterfowl Dance and you do not have to alter your build to beat her. Changing up your playstyle to beat a boss is nothing new, as you said with Demon of Hatred which requires the use of the umbrella prosthetic. The Waterfowl Dance can be dodged with any build once you learn the pattern, unless you aren't ready when she goes up... in which case, you can still dodge the majority of the swings. That being said, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on Mohg and his unavoidable 'NIHIL' damage.
Hello thank you for the kind response. Nothing wrong with disagreeing, maybe I was being too harsh on her lol. Anyway, I made a video on the best bosses and mohg was number 10. I cover that extensively on that video, but if you want the TL;DR: He's great, the 3-flask drain may be a bit cheap, but he has a good move set, so prolonging his fight is fine with me.
I honestly would have to disagree with you about malenia. Her first phase is really easy to completely learn and if you have any decently big weapon you can constantly stagger her. Once she does the waterfowl it's nearly impossible to dodge every single hit. I always take one or two hits from it. not to mention that the waterfowl dance becomes ever deadlier with more attacks in second phase. The first phase dance can be lived through if you get hit by most attacks with a lot of vigor, second phase is impossible to live. I've only beaten her when she's used waterfowl in first phase once and never again in the 2nd
@@cammy649 it’s not nearly impossible to dodge Waterfowl, and second phase it’s obviously dodge-able too as demonstrated by the people that have beaten her without taking a hit. Malenia is great because she is challenging, luck is not required to beat her and every move has a counter method to avoid damage, all the no hit fights are proof of this.
Absolutely incredible video I'm new to souls like games I played allot of them but never actually gave them a chance so when I did I platinum my first souls in DS3 now I'm working towards 100% Elden Ring but I hate to say it I'm one of those guys that use summons they are so much fun and make allot of battles so Trivial and easy Mimic Tear is so good and I recently just started using Tich
Ape and Demon feel different not because you don't deflect them (you totally can and should) but because they don't deflect you. Players get used to the "attack until you get deflected" pattern that they don't know how to lay off the R1 without that cue, and they get stomped while spamming away. But they should learn to control themselves and engage these wonderful bosses.
Shields make the Malenia fight longer but you wouldn’t be using a shield if your focus is quick fights. By default using a shield implies you’re going to have an endurance fight. Waterfowl isn’t even that difficult to dodge, its issue is that it isn’t visually obvious. Malenia is challenging even without waterfowl, that move just pushes her over the top.
Hello, I hope you see this comment. I would like to just mention about Malenis's difficulty is that if they just made her not heal on hit, or shortened waterfowl a little bit she would still be the hardest boss in the game. I think the gap between her and any boss in ER is so wide that even removing waterfowl she would still be on par with bosses like Maliketh or Godfrey. You may disagree with this and that is okay, but I think Malenia is hard for many reasons. Hell, they could remove waterfowl and make her faster and even more aggro and I think she would be a fair fight. They could even keep her heal on hit affect this way. I just do not think that Malenia is a fair boss and when I finally took her down I was only hit with "I'm glad I'll never have to do that again." Most of the time, a boss gives me a sense of satisfaction but Malenia was more like a feeling of hate and anger. Other than these few notes i do agree with your video and think it was very well made. I would personally move Orphan up a little and replace the Godskin Duo with Godfrey (He was so hard for me).
Hello, thank you for the kind comment :). Malenia has always been an interesting debate within the community! I have seen a lot of different takes on her, and I think they are all fair. I think I was elated just because I managed to finally beat her. I can totally understand the thought process of "Well thank goodness that is over." I guess the most interesting part about her isn't fighting her, but how her discussion has played out online. I am glad I saw your comment, and I thank you for the kind comment :)
me personally malenia does have some fair criticism, but i do think some of is still overblown. in my opinion, while it may suck to die from waterfowl dance, i think the intention of its implementation was to force you too not get too aggressive which i think works well for the fight. think about how easy it is to stun lock malenia. i think its a very interesting trait of her to have a counter attack for her own weakness. even if that counter attack is a fucking tactical nuke lmaooo. i feel like most people dont even pay attention to the fact that she is much more likely to do that move if you just mindlessly wailing on her and being too aggressive. you got slow the pace down just a tad bit and bait out more favorable and punishable moves. but i feel like if remember how you remember in the back of your head to be ready to doge this move and get some distance, its really an intriguing combination of mechanics. masterpiece of a fight if you ask me but i understand much of your frustration brother.
My personal top 10: Ornstein and Smough 9: Fume Knight 8: Sister Friede 7: Laurence 6: Isshin Ashina 5: Mohg 4: Lady Maria 3: Ludwig 2: Malenia 1: Orphan of Kos
O&S on a top 10 difficulty list in the year 2024, oof. Nothing pre-Bloodborne has any business cracking a list like this other than MAYBE Manus and Fume Knight. Rest of the list was really good though, even if I don’t totally agree with each pick or placement
For me 1. Sister friede 2. Demon of hatred 3. Malenia(I consider bloodhound to be essential part of this fight otherwise fight is literally impossible) 4. Isshin(perfect) 5. Godfrey the first elden lord 6. Manus 7.sir allone 8. Mohg 9.malekith 10. Demon princes P.s I just realised my list is full of ER bosses but I consider the endgame bosses of that game to be the hardest challenge from has ever created and I have not played BB
@@ElementBruvif you fought maliketh full health he would 100% be a top 3 hardest boss in the series. People overrating ds3 bosses so hard pretty much the only hard one is sister Friede cause it’s so long
I don't get the Godskin hate, they are the easiest boss of the end run to me, you just need to be a bit patient at times if the skinny one is being aggressive too. The pillars make it pretty easy to separate them if you weave through them strategically. Watching the footage in the video, it's poor play mainly
There's another method besides that circling thing, but as you put it, it requires perfection (the timing). I don't use a joystick so I adapted with keyboard and mouse.
Malenia is definitely not easy even without waterfowl, up to that point I'm pretty much used to rolling towards the side of the boss to avoid attacks and staying completely in melee range but malenia completely discourages that with extremely fast attacks and the fact that she can turn her body to you instantaneously since she's technically a human sized boss with extreme aggression. The thing I like the most about malenia fight is the spacing since I basically have to stay at medium range to avoid her attacks, and that's also the reason I found consort radahn much easier than malenia since he encourages you to roll into him which has been my playstyle since dark souls 2 that being said waterfowl point blank range is still bad
I'd say Mimic Tear, and Olga are an exception. Though, I WOULD advise waiting until phase 2 to summon them.... I did that in a Loki themed playthrough. And... yeah, after struggling for hours. It was both disappointing and cathartic how much easier she was with the Mimic.... Since yeah, I was using status weapons. So, more frost and bleed procs.
Nah I used mimic with mohgs spear expecting the worst…..she was to easy if she did aggro to me my Mimic was on her with the ash and she just melted to fast. Like was to easy but to be fair mimic and mohgs makes almost all the bosses lame and easy. I mean mimic good shield with no skill and mohgs almost every boss except like Elden beast is just to easy and even Elden beast is pretty easy just can’t spam ash 😂
The community hatred towards Godskin Duo is unfounded, the only reason people hate on it is because they're impacient and fail to understand what that fight is all about: -Positioning -Movement -Patience -Not falling for greedy "one more hit here", know when to retreat. -PATIENCE I love both Noble and Apostle, I love their themesong and lore. The late game is one of the things I look the most forward to so I can test out my builds against the more unforgiving bosses. Highly disagree when you (and apparently everyone) says Apostle and Noble "dont work well together". I feel Ornstein & Smough is a far worse balanced battle. (Not saying it's a bad boss): Both of them keep coming at you full force. Smough is too fast for his own right and covers a lot of area with his attacks, while Ornstein is fast and has a dash attack that essentially covers the whole arena if you're in the other end of it. I felt more pressure fighting O&S than the Duo.
Hey hey hey wait a minute what are you trying to pull? Where’s my AC 6? No love for a game that fromsoft dusted off and said here’s some love and affection
Since the SotE dlc is out you can pretty much fill the whole list with the bosses from that lol. Final boss will be number ofc one😂.Also my overall favourite souls boss is inner father too
Umbasa! No love for demon’s souls? In 2009 flamelurker and maneaters set the standard for all souls tough bosses. They both deserve to be on the list. Umbasa. You crazy kids can’t forget your elders 😊
Its really weird how Demon of hatred made me cheese him cause i just couldnt stand him, and then became for me the most fun boss in Sekiro. It felt unfair but after one point he was one of the few bosses i could hitless 9/10 times
I think he's an extremely well-designed boss. I remember writing him off as a stupid gimmick my first kill. But after a few more kills, I learned he is some of their best work.
With godskin duo, just sleep pot one and it's actually the easiest fight ever Edit. I did not know about the fire umbrella, that would have been easier than struggling for days lol
I can understand why people would hate on melenia cuz of that one move but let’s not act like we ain’t seen many of those people and streamers die from her other moves. Lord knows how many times I saw Asmon die from her other moves but he won’t acknowledge that and basically say everytime he died it was from that one move.
I've only struggle on first encounter with genichiro. after that everything except one boss is hard for me. Owl Father. beside him the difficult part on my playthrough is the multiple tankier samurais on the field lol. I also didn't use any prosthetic tools on bosses as these things being useful against bosses didn't even cross my mind. I didn't know umbrella can block Demon of Hatred, or the firecracker against other bosses. I just use the base default shuriken for the dogs and gunners. that's why I struggled with Owl Father. dude is like you but with pay to win cheats with all these prosthetic tools. But that's also why I think sekiro is the easiest fromsoftware game. they immediately give you right off the bat the very thing that you need. Deflect. that's all you need.
Isn't a get perfect issue the same as a get gud issue? But if we aren't being pedantic you can dodge it up close with running away and timing your jump as well as rolling back 3 times if you are light load.
I have yet to fight Kos, but he does not look as fast as 3rd stage Gascoigne or BSB, and both of those are really easy to parry. Even without summons, you shouldn't have to kill either of the GodSkin Nobles more than twice in that fight, you get plenty of time to finish either one off before the other resurrects.
I fkn LOVE when a boss beats my ass and makes me get better. As long as the run back, to the fight, isn’t long asf. Long runs between each attempt make me wanna turn the game off😂
I feel like all the people who rate the ds3 bosses high in difficulty haven’t played it in years.. the bosses are ez no delayed attacks just press roll when they attack bad you will always dodge it. The late game elden ring bosses with no summons or cheesy ashes of war are 100% harder
Demon of hatred is just tedious, idk how people fight him without yasha sugar. Hardest would be for me Laurence or malenia blade of miquilla. And both are great fights okay. And the close uo waterfowl up close is really not tht hard, its just scary, but ones you do, its really consistent. The clone atk is way harder, and no she isnt designed with spirit ashes, spirit ashes just makes a lot of the fights way harder and unpredictable. You said you understood friede on your leveo 1 run, do the same for malenia, the fight is poetic.
Im not gonna lie Demon Prince doesn't really belong on this list, It wasn't ever a problem no matter how many times I run through DS3 and as always Sword Saint Isshin is overrated as hell If we want to talk about a hard fair fight from Sekiro Inner Father is the hardest aside from the demon of hatred obviously
Melenia waterfowl dance can be canceled by asking her what restaurant she wants to go to for dinner
It can be canceled by throwing a pot full of ice at her.
Hooter...
@@grantz9234 🔥
“I hope Shadow Of Erdtree takes at least one spot” oh buddy it’s half the damn list now
The final boss is cooking me lol
Promised consort radahn is nothing compared to the hardest boss of all...
Soldier of godrick.
I couldnt help but notice you forgot Soldier of Godrick and The Mist Noble. Thats totally okay, we can just move everyone down 2 rankings.
@SoulofTheTom3 rankings
I didn't even know Soldier of Godrick existed
Bro solider of God , Rick got me luke 10 h of gp i think he should get his own rank like a GOD rank
He didn't include them because there's no point. We all know where they stand at every tier list.
you died so many times?@@noobini6954
It’s so crazy how different our playthroughs are, I never found guardian ape to be unreasonably difficult however Midir is definitely been one of my hardest fights in the entire series
With guardian ape you can just spam the fuck out of empowered mortal draw and destroy him
@@ravager7497 I didn’t have mortal blade when I did my first playthrough when I got to GA
@@jonmann4980 still you can cheese him with firecracker hit n run
Don’t understand how O and S even made this list, every time I fight it’s first try. But somehow midir didn’t make it and I’ve only killed him once by my self.
@@kalebwilliams2823everyone has different playthroughs, I guess. Orphan of kos being 8 is crazy though. Maybe 4/5 would fit more
Never would i have guessed to see the demon princes here. Like me personally, i probably would've named 20 other bosses before they would even cross my mind
Gael and midir were both harder imo
The Godskin Duo didn't trouble me at all. However, the Godskin Apostle in the tower in Caelid gave me nightmares. Maybe I was under-leveled when I fought him, but that was a tremendously hard fight.
Same i also find him harder then the godskin duo i dont know why?
i’m praying i don’t get the opposite cuz i destroyed that godskin apostle in my second attempt but haven’t gotten to duo yet😭
Real. I still struggle with the dodge timings for that squiggly guy. even the one in Altus is kinda tricky
Same here. I think it has to do with being underleved as you mentioned, but also with the fact that the moment you download his moveset he becomes pretty easy on next encounters. Have in mind you fight him again on the Windmill Village and then a third time vs Godskin Duo, so that makes three encounters in three different stages of a playthrough.
Honestly, I find Malenias moveset without Waterfowl dance to be pretty challenging, I think what most people don’t realize when they say Malenia would be easy without the healing or waterfowl is that they got good at the main fundamentals of the fight. She wouldn’t be as hard sure, probably around the difficulty of Radagon.
During my recent playthrough, I focused a lot on getting around waterfowl, which I got decent at. What usually killed me though was her regular moveset. It made me really appreciate the fight for what it was.
And yeah, Waterfowl dance is still BS.
Exactly, saying malenia is a scrub without waterfowl is hilarious
i was so surprised to see you only have 1000 subs, from the quality and just overall content of the video i expected you to have so much more, keep it up
Such a kind comment! Thank you :)
My personal list
#1: Isshin sword Saint
#2 Melenia
#3 Sister Friede
#4 Midir
#5 Orphan of Kos
#6 Maliketh
#7 Nameless King
#8 Gael
#9 Ludwig
#10 Lady Maria
I’d personally take Ludwig off the list and replace him with either Laurence or Demon of Hatred, purely because his second phase is quite a bit easier for me to deal with. Might put Manus on the list as well because you need to fight him with DS1 player speed, he’s a tough mf
@@willnovak4173 I would replace Ludwig with Manus tbh
The top three hardest bosses are Demon of Hatred, Orphan of Kos and Malenia. End of story.
shout out to those two shark things in the well though, they're a pain in the ass
Malenia?💀
Isshin the Sword Saint on Demon Bell + Charmless run is harder than all three of those.
Orphan is not very hard, I beat on new game plus rushing to dlc with minimal effort yall overrated it so hard
I'd say that Lawrence should go on this list too, he's got one-shot potential on NG+ and the AOEs are really annoying
Ngl, Demon of Hatred really isn’t that bad.
On my first playthrough I unlocked the fire umbrella specifically for the demon then hardly used it. All his fire whip attacks have massive blind spots and if you know where they are you don't even have to dodge, you can just spam attack and parry when he goes for stomp attacks.
Pretty good video. However for the Malenia section there is another way to dodge waterfowl dance up close which I find to be much easier and more consistent than the circle strafe. You can do a running jump away from the first flurry to avoid it, then just roll through the rest. I recommend you check out the video “stop complaining about waterfowl dance” by Loopine if you want to see several examples of the dodge.
Good luck with making your next video.
I was expecting the Nameless King, but fair enough, the list is pretty good
Orphan of kos at 9 was like a kick to the face then getting my face stomped in
11:00 Radahn right now:
Owl Father was the hardest fight for me on Sekiro first play through. I had so much trouble learning his moves
Bro really put the first miniboss general from sekiro on the thumbnail💀
Thank you for giving demon of hatred some love! Everyone try’s to play him like a Souls boss but he is fully a Shinobi boss. Katana, prosthetics, speed, deflection
When i first got to melania she felt more do able than the godskin duo and even bosses like maliketh and mohg, those fights absolutely destroyed me but melania felt like i could beat her with time, the other 3 made me feel hopless getting 2 shot over and over making no progress
If I was forced to gunpoint to make top 10…
10 - Dragon God
9 - Bed of Chaos
8 - Sir Alonne
7 - Nameless King
6 - Laurence
5 - Malenia/Isshin Ashina
4 - Demon Prince/Demon of Hatred
3 - Maliketh
2 - Orphan of Kos
1 - Inner Isshin/Defiled Amygdala
I wonder what Fromsoftware thought was the way to deal with Waterfowl for melee users. Abusing her AI doesn't seem like the way it was intended
They weren't.
I think it is intended that you run away, but it’s a screw that she can go into it right on top of you however, I have been locked on up close and dodge through it. Circling round her is the strat cuz she will go shooting of in the opposite direction if you time your dodge right but I don’t know if that’s abusing the a.I though
That's exactly why people hate that move. Abusing the AI is something speedrunners do, not average players.
You can dodge waterfowl I hope you know that lol
@@Maleniabom Point blank without using the exploit ? You can't. Try again, buddy.
Never got to Kos in my dlc playthrough but from how everyone talks about him, I was shocked when I saw him that low. And as far as the waterfowl dance, I don’t hold that against malenia cause I look at it from a sports perspective. Kobe/mj had the unstoppable fadeaway, dirk has the one foot leaner, Kareem had the hook, bron has the staring at the ball 3. It’s her go to move that she has in her bag
perfect list good feedbacks keep the good work
Thank you :)
Great video! 21:58 it’s right here that yes I do understand why you put malenia with Genichiro with how it feels to beat her I mostly hate her not for the challenge but for the placement of that challenge is literally the end of the game with Genichiro you can theoretically get mad and storm off to the depths/Senpo temple etc with Malenia you literally have only the choice to back track through things you missed or to grind to get good it’s just a frustrating wall with little hand holds to get up it and yes that’s ironic because I love the demon of hatred more than almost any boss is souls besides Ishin himself
I think the more I kill demon of hatred, the more I understand and love him. Thank you for the kind comment :)
I have to agree; Sekiro is as close to perfection I have ever seen in a game. Loved and finished, multiple times, all the Souls games and I have played Sekiro more than all of them combined.
Good ranking. Funnily enough I found Malenia's fight very doable with a simple "sword and shield build". With 30 stamina and a brass shield, I was able to fully block the first flurry of WFD (without any shield AoW). She heals, but it's not much and you can easily out damage that. Utilizing guard counters on her was really helpful, gave alot of riposte opportunities, which easily made up for whatever she heals back. Honestly I think her self-heal is just a psychological thing to build pressure. It's not something that invalidates builds or something, like i thought it would earlier.
Also like others said, running and jumping from WFD's first flurry is the best method imo. It even works close range (esp with large wpns). I'm honestly surprised it gets overshadowed by that weird circle strat. Its a shame coz people might get discouraged after seeing that the most common way to handle it is so obtuse and complex.
Great video! I agree with most of these takes, though I definitely would've put Mohg, Dancer, Fire Giant, or even Ludwig ahead of Guardian ape. Nice to see O&S on the list though (It's peak)
the things people find hard/easy in fromsoft games. i found the godskin duo easy af with no summons, but found orphan of kos to be hard af. the godskin duo only really became hard in ng+7 because of the health scaling
I love Malenia, she's been my favorite boss in Elden Ring since my first playthrough (and I play without summons too, she took me over 6 hours initially). Idk, she killed me with a lot of different moves, not just waterfowl. I ended up just shielding the first flurry if she caught me up close, then dodging the second and walking backwards for the third (she doesn't recover much health this way, although stamina management is key or she'll break your guard, which added another layer to the fight). Even if she initiates the move up close, full sprint with a jump can avoid the first flurry 9 times out of 10.
I love the idea of an optional super boss who throws all kinds of crazy attacks, regens health and causes rot. I hope the DLC gives us a boss with just as much bullshit. Also, I'm pretty consistent at beating her these days, my least favorite attack now is Aeonian Bloom because it pauses the fight.
I agree with the majority of your list though (besides O and S, honestly Mohg, Fume Knight, Laurence, and Radagon/Elden Beast would all be better picks, imo). Defiled Chalice Watchdog or Amygdala should be on the list if those count as well.
I'm hoping for the first true 3 phase boss hp bar in the dlc as the super boss
My list: (I haven’t played Sekiro, but I tell myself I will one day)
1. Malenia
2. Midir (MUCH easier on subsequent plays, but took me more tries to beat than any boss ever.)
3. Sir Alonne
4. Orphan of Kos
5. The Fume Knight
6. Laurence
7. Defiled Watchdog (you know the one)
8. Sister Friede
9. Godskin Duo (without bleed)
10. Gael
I agree with most of what you said except when I think of Malenia I think of Waterfowl AND and Clones
The clones are harder to dodge than the dance
Use the suzaku lotus umbrella for the fireworks of owl , also his verical owl is a projectile so you can parry it ( jump and parry it in the air ) .
Malenia can be cheesed in so many ways due to elden rings massive build diversity. I beat her my 2nd try my first playthrough with moghs spear and 2nd playthrough i beat her in like 5 trys as a mage. Sekiro gives you no build diversity so you actually have to learn the game mechanics to actually finish the game (you have to actually get good). With that said Isshin was a complete nightmare and demon of hatred is the only boss i have never beaten in the series, his move set is so unpredictable and the fight is like like 20mins long and you get one shot by 1 misstake if you dont have a health pool appropriate for the fight. He is the only boss that actually made me give up.
Yup same mohgs spear
I demolished her.
I went in with a mimic and mohgs cause of all the hype saying she was so hard and just wrecked her with my mimic.
Like just my mimic and her would have been more fair 😆. To me Elden rings hardest bosses were the real early bosses like my hardest fight was the tree sentinel when u walk out in lime grave I spent 2 hours on just him fresh thinking it’s what I was supposed to do.
My list:
1. Malenia
2. Orphan
3. Sword Saint Isshin
4. Ludwig
5. Owl father
6. Gael
7. Nameless King
8. Manus
9. Friede
10. Mohg
What I love most about the difficulty ranking is how every player had a different experience and had difficulty with completely different bosses based on their playstyle and way of learning the patterns. I have had quite an easy time with Demon of Hatred, Midir and Pontif but man, I don't often see Gael too high in those lists but he kicked my ass... I also think Mohg is quite underrated if you don't use all of the items to counter him. Special shoutout to O&S, Radahn, Guardian Ape and Demon Prince
Congrats on 1000 subscribers, also cool video 👍
Thank you so much for the kind words! The milestone means a lot to me :)
i agree with what you said about malenia for a first play through, but on repeat runs she is one of the best parts of the game
waterfowl dance is the definiative proof that malenia is a sekiro boss in disguise. i garentee that if we could deflect like in sekiro she would not only be a balanced boss but a fun boss to fight. i was just replaying and fighting her and the rest of her moveset is pretty fair its just the waterfowl dance.
Read a comment surprised on your sub count and I couldn’t agree more this was an amazing video super high quality, you earned a sub from me for sure hope many more come your way
Very kind of you to say! thank you very much for the wonderful comment :)
I honestly found Maliketh way harder than malenia, he took me about twice the amount of times (although I was slightly higher level for malenia)
As a melee build person. You can dodge waterfowl normally. You have to play around with it but you can absolutely dodge it without cheesing her AI. I think you just need more time to practice dodging it
Still doesnt change the fact that its bullshit and its not even fun to learn it
I hear lies of P music!!!!! God I love that game. Also great video dude
I think you're the only person who caught onto that :). Lies of P is great, love that game. Thank you for the kind words
@@CosmicEye597 no problem! I really enjoyed your video, so tonight I've been watching more. You're really entertaining and make some great content! Keep up the awesome work!
@@Kaleb._ Thank you so much :)
idk why, but when i first played through dark souls 1, orinstein and smough took me at least 35 attempts. But when i replayed the game a year later, i beat them third try.
Tbh WFD for Melinia isnt as bad as i used to think. I also believe that she has one of the best movesets ever made
For Malenia and spirit ashes, I have to say that she's one of the worst bosses to summon against. I really don't think she was designed to be fought with spirits, like the Godskin Duo. I think she might have actually been built to counter them. She can heal off of them, her hyperarmor means that you can't just rush her down and stunlock her like you might with other humanoid bosses, her phase transition obliterates any summons, and if that doesn't get them, Valkyrie Phantoms will. There's some summons that geniunely make her harder. With that being said, there's also some that make her easier: Alecto comes to mind, as well as the infamous Mimic Tear (although this one depends on your build, I guess). But those two can basically cheese the entire game for you, so I'm not too surprised. I think that most other summons will probably make her a little easier, but they won't remove the challenge entirely.
Remember everyone, difficulty is subjective. That is all
You can deflect most of demon of hatred’s attacks. I think he definitely plays like a Sekiro boss, he’s just more punishing if you screw up.
I think you nailed the top three, but I disagree with some of your points about Malenia. In my opinion, she would not be a joke without Waterfowl Dance and you do not have to alter your build to beat her. Changing up your playstyle to beat a boss is nothing new, as you said with Demon of Hatred which requires the use of the umbrella prosthetic. The Waterfowl Dance can be dodged with any build once you learn the pattern, unless you aren't ready when she goes up... in which case, you can still dodge the majority of the swings.
That being said, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on Mohg and his unavoidable 'NIHIL' damage.
Hello thank you for the kind response. Nothing wrong with disagreeing, maybe I was being too harsh on her lol. Anyway, I made a video on the best bosses and mohg was number 10. I cover that extensively on that video, but if you want the TL;DR: He's great, the 3-flask drain may be a bit cheap, but he has a good move set, so prolonging his fight is fine with me.
I honestly would have to disagree with you about malenia. Her first phase is really easy to completely learn and if you have any decently big weapon you can constantly stagger her. Once she does the waterfowl it's nearly impossible to dodge every single hit. I always take one or two hits from it. not to mention that the waterfowl dance becomes ever deadlier with more attacks in second phase. The first phase dance can be lived through if you get hit by most attacks with a lot of vigor, second phase is impossible to live. I've only beaten her when she's used waterfowl in first phase once and never again in the 2nd
@@cammy649 it’s not nearly impossible to dodge Waterfowl, and second phase it’s obviously dodge-able too as demonstrated by the people that have beaten her without taking a hit. Malenia is great because she is challenging, luck is not required to beat her and every move has a counter method to avoid damage, all the no hit fights are proof of this.
Twin demons is fromsoft best duo fight because there is no reliance on pillars. Really enhances the fight for me.
Those two are definitely in my top 5 favorite bosses
@@CosmicEye597 yeah ds3 has most of my favourites
Absolutely incredible video I'm new to souls like games I played allot of them but never actually gave them a chance so when I did I platinum my first souls in DS3 now I'm working towards 100% Elden Ring but I hate to say it I'm one of those guys that use summons they are so much fun and make allot of battles so Trivial and easy Mimic Tear is so good and I recently just started using Tich
Ape and Demon feel different not because you don't deflect them (you totally can and should) but because they don't deflect you. Players get used to the "attack until you get deflected" pattern that they don't know how to lay off the R1 without that cue, and they get stomped while spamming away. But they should learn to control themselves and engage these wonderful bosses.
Shields make the Malenia fight longer but you wouldn’t be using a shield if your focus is quick fights. By default using a shield implies you’re going to have an endurance fight. Waterfowl isn’t even that difficult to dodge, its issue is that it isn’t visually obvious. Malenia is challenging even without waterfowl, that move just pushes her over the top.
Hello, I hope you see this comment. I would like to just mention about Malenis's difficulty is that if they just made her not heal on hit, or shortened waterfowl a little bit she would still be the hardest boss in the game. I think the gap between her and any boss in ER is so wide that even removing waterfowl she would still be on par with bosses like Maliketh or Godfrey. You may disagree with this and that is okay, but I think Malenia is hard for many reasons. Hell, they could remove waterfowl and make her faster and even more aggro and I think she would be a fair fight. They could even keep her heal on hit affect this way. I just do not think that Malenia is a fair boss and when I finally took her down I was only hit with "I'm glad I'll never have to do that again." Most of the time, a boss gives me a sense of satisfaction but Malenia was more like a feeling of hate and anger. Other than these few notes i do agree with your video and think it was very well made. I would personally move Orphan up a little and replace the Godskin Duo with Godfrey (He was so hard for me).
Hello, thank you for the kind comment :). Malenia has always been an interesting debate within the community! I have seen a lot of different takes on her, and I think they are all fair. I think I was elated just because I managed to finally beat her. I can totally understand the thought process of "Well thank goodness that is over." I guess the most interesting part about her isn't fighting her, but how her discussion has played out online.
I am glad I saw your comment, and I thank you for the kind comment :)
Nah its very easy to dodge all of her attacks except waterfowl and that thing in phase 2 where a bunch of clones try to stab you
me personally malenia does have some fair criticism, but i do think some of is still overblown. in my opinion, while it may suck to die from waterfowl dance, i think the intention of its implementation was to force you too not get too aggressive which i think works well for the fight. think about how easy it is to stun lock malenia. i think its a very interesting trait of her to have a counter attack for her own weakness. even if that counter attack is a fucking tactical nuke lmaooo. i feel like most people dont even pay attention to the fact that she is much more likely to do that move if you just mindlessly wailing on her and being too aggressive. you got slow the pace down just a tad bit and bait out more favorable and punishable moves. but i feel like if remember how you remember in the back of your head to be ready to doge this move and get some distance, its really an intriguing combination of mechanics. masterpiece of a fight if you ask me but i understand much of your frustration brother.
Your beating her up until she decides “alright enough and just waterfowls all over you”
My personal top
10: Ornstein and Smough
9: Fume Knight
8: Sister Friede
7: Laurence
6: Isshin Ashina
5: Mohg
4: Lady Maria
3: Ludwig
2: Malenia
1: Orphan of Kos
the tower knight at the fog gate is peak dark souls 1 😭
hot take: godskin duo is a pretty fun boss
That's really spicy one🥵
Don't burn your fingers on that hot take
@RadioactiveDinosaurplus sleeping pots
Don't think they're fun but they're not that hard imo
The Godskin Apostle is one of my favorite mini bosses so I don't really mind it. I know how to nuke the noble pretty fast then its mainly a 1v1
Nice list! Complitely identical to mine
can’t wait for him to review promised consort radahn
O&S on a top 10 difficulty list in the year 2024, oof. Nothing pre-Bloodborne has any business cracking a list like this other than MAYBE Manus and Fume Knight. Rest of the list was really good though, even if I don’t totally agree with each pick or placement
good thing to know my next boss is the 6th hardest in the entire series, i can’t wait
You definitely need to update this list and add Bayle and Final boss from the DLC
Guardian Ape is pretty telegraphed I was surprised to see him here
For me
1. Sister friede
2. Demon of hatred
3. Malenia(I consider bloodhound to be essential part of this fight otherwise fight is literally impossible)
4. Isshin(perfect)
5. Godfrey the first elden lord
6. Manus
7.sir allone
8. Mohg
9.malekith
10. Demon princes
P.s I just realised my list is full of ER bosses but I consider the endgame bosses of that game to be the hardest challenge from has ever created and I have not played BB
Godfrey and maliketh are not top 10😭
@@ElementBruvdifferent people struggle with different bosses. Whats hard for you may not be hard for others, and vice versa
@@smoothyodaproductions4373 i can understand maliketh but godfrey at 5?
@@ElementBruv i mean elden ring has some hard ass bosses compared to the rest of the soulsborne games
@@ElementBruvif you fought maliketh full health he would 100% be a top 3 hardest boss in the series. People overrating ds3 bosses so hard pretty much the only hard one is sister Friede cause it’s so long
I don't get the Godskin hate, they are the easiest boss of the end run to me, you just need to be a bit patient at times if the skinny one is being aggressive too. The pillars make it pretty easy to separate them if you weave through them strategically.
Watching the footage in the video, it's poor play mainly
There's another method besides that circling thing, but as you put it, it requires perfection (the timing). I don't use a joystick so I adapted with keyboard and mouse.
1. Malenia
2. Orphan of Kos
3. Maliketh
4. Defiled Amygdala
5. Defiled Watchdog
6. Blackflame Friede
7. Full Grown Fallingstar Beast
8. Mohg
9. Ludwig
10. Nameless King
Full grown fallingstar beast is literally one of the easiest fights ever even solo
Damn the demon princes are an s tier boss for me, but i never found them hard. Surprissd theyre here
after elden ring dlc I will finally tackle my last souls game, sekiro !!!
Be ready to parry
@@kitchensarehot8769 me who never parries… 🙃
Slave Knight Gael, Malenia, and Sword Saint Isshin for me
Malenia is definitely not easy even without waterfowl, up to that point I'm pretty much used to rolling towards the side of the boss to avoid attacks and staying completely in melee range but malenia completely discourages that with extremely fast attacks and the fact that she can turn her body to you instantaneously since she's technically a human sized boss with extreme aggression. The thing I like the most about malenia fight is the spacing since I basically have to stay at medium range to avoid her attacks, and that's also the reason I found consort radahn much easier than malenia since he encourages you to roll into him which has been my playstyle since dark souls 2 that being said waterfowl point blank range is still bad
Nice video!!
Thank you so much :)
I beat demon hatred without the prosthetic umbrella or the whistle, one of my greater accomplishments
Well done! That was how I beat him my first time, too. I think he's a really well made boss :)
Malenia with summons can only get worse, because she heals of every hit and almost none of them even try to dodge her.
I'd say Mimic Tear, and Olga are an exception.
Though, I WOULD advise waiting until phase 2 to summon them.... I did that in a Loki themed playthrough. And... yeah, after struggling for hours. It was both disappointing and cathartic how much easier she was with the Mimic....
Since yeah, I was using status weapons. So, more frost and bleed procs.
@@DataDrain02 i was thinking the same thing
I recommend black knife tiche
@RadioactiveDinosaur yes if you looked, i agreed with a person who said Mimic Tear is an exception.
Nah I used mimic with mohgs spear expecting the worst…..she was to easy if she did aggro to me my
Mimic was on her with the ash and she just melted to fast. Like was to easy but to be fair mimic and mohgs makes almost all the bosses lame and easy. I mean mimic good shield with no skill and mohgs almost every boss except like Elden beast is just to easy and even Elden beast is pretty easy just can’t spam ash 😂
The community hatred towards Godskin Duo is unfounded, the only reason people hate on it is because they're impacient and fail to understand what that fight is all about:
-Positioning
-Movement
-Patience
-Not falling for greedy "one more hit here", know when to retreat.
-PATIENCE
I love both Noble and Apostle, I love their themesong and lore. The late game is one of the things I look the most forward to so I can test out my builds against the more unforgiving bosses.
Highly disagree when you (and apparently everyone) says Apostle and Noble "dont work well together".
I feel Ornstein & Smough is a far worse balanced battle. (Not saying it's a bad boss): Both of them keep coming at you full force. Smough is too fast for his own right and covers a lot of area with his attacks, while Ornstein is fast and has a dash attack that essentially covers the whole arena if you're in the other end of it.
I felt more pressure fighting O&S than the Duo.
Could see someone reasonably ordering these in any sequence but Demon Price I can’t get behind belonging here. 3rd toughest fight in its own DLC.
Hey hey hey wait a minute what are you trying to pull? Where’s my AC 6? No love for a game that fromsoft dusted off and said here’s some love and affection
I’m just joking though great video!
Just finished ghost of tsushima on lethal difficulty. Its pretty hard especially at the start where you dont have much health.
easy game
@@suave605 have you tried lethal? Its pretty hard. Enemies kill you in 1or 2 hits
Since the SotE dlc is out you can pretty much fill the whole list with the bosses from that lol. Final boss will be number ofc one😂.Also my overall favourite souls boss is inner father too
Umbasa! No love for demon’s souls? In 2009 flamelurker and maneaters set the standard for all souls tough bosses. They both deserve to be on the list. Umbasa. You crazy kids can’t forget your elders 😊
Demon souls just isnt very good compared to the rest of the franchise and its also the easiest
Nice use of Hollow Knight music (Silksong is almost here right)?
I swear i've been waiting for that game for an eternity now. I want Silksong so freaking bad hahah. Thank you for the comments!
Its really weird how Demon of hatred made me cheese him cause i just couldnt stand him, and then became for me the most fun boss in Sekiro. It felt unfair but after one point he was one of the few bosses i could hitless 9/10 times
I think he's an extremely well-designed boss. I remember writing him off as a stupid gimmick my first kill. But after a few more kills, I learned he is some of their best work.
I aggree. Thats something you cant say for the pantheon of hallownest (just saw your profile picture). Great list by the way.
malenias waterfowl dance is probably one of the easiest moves to dodge her clone attack is easily harder
With godskin duo, just sleep pot one and it's actually the easiest fight ever
Edit. I did not know about the fire umbrella, that would have been easier than struggling for days lol
I can understand why people would hate on melenia cuz of that one move but let’s not act like we ain’t seen many of those people and streamers die from her other moves. Lord knows how many times I saw Asmon die from her other moves but he won’t acknowledge that and basically say everytime he died it was from that one move.
i havent played sekiro, but for me the top 3 would be melania, orphan, and either laurence or maliketh
Demon of hatred is Laurence...Finkle is Einhorn!
I've only struggle on first encounter with genichiro. after that everything except one boss is hard for me. Owl Father. beside him the difficult part on my playthrough is the multiple tankier samurais on the field lol. I also didn't use any prosthetic tools on bosses as these things being useful against bosses didn't even cross my mind. I didn't know umbrella can block Demon of Hatred, or the firecracker against other bosses. I just use the base default shuriken for the dogs and gunners. that's why I struggled with Owl Father. dude is like you but with pay to win cheats with all these prosthetic tools. But that's also why I think sekiro is the easiest fromsoftware game. they immediately give you right off the bat the very thing that you need. Deflect. that's all you need.
Aniway , demon of hatred should be number 1 , since you can't cheese him like you can do malenia with magic and ashes .
After beating both games, i can say that owl is WAYYYYYY harder than o&s
I think the valiant gargoyles are a lot more difficult and unfair than godskin duo
I love the godskin duo :(
Isn't a get perfect issue the same as a get gud issue? But if we aren't being pedantic you can dodge it up close with running away and timing your jump as well as rolling back 3 times if you are light load.
Yall glaze the fuck out of malenia I beat her in less than 10 attempts and Elden Ring was my first souls game
Shockingly…I beat godskin duo in like 6 tries my first play through. Idk how
I have yet to fight Kos, but he does not look as fast as 3rd stage Gascoigne or BSB, and both of those are really easy to parry. Even without summons, you shouldn't have to kill either of the GodSkin Nobles more than twice in that fight, you get plenty of time to finish either one off before the other resurrects.
I fkn LOVE when a boss beats my ass and makes me get better. As long as the run back, to the fight, isn’t long asf. Long runs between each attempt make me wanna turn the game off😂
Some of those dark souls 2 runbacks... 💀
I feel like all the people who rate the ds3 bosses high in difficulty haven’t played it in years.. the bosses are ez no delayed attacks just press roll when they attack bad you will always dodge it. The late game elden ring bosses with no summons or cheesy ashes of war are 100% harder
Demon of hatred is just tedious, idk how people fight him without yasha sugar.
Hardest would be for me Laurence or malenia blade of miquilla. And both are great fights okay. And the close uo waterfowl up close is really not tht hard, its just scary, but ones you do, its really consistent. The clone atk is way harder, and no she isnt designed with spirit ashes, spirit ashes just makes a lot of the fights way harder and unpredictable.
You said you understood friede on your leveo 1 run, do the same for malenia, the fight is poetic.
Ako Sugar is good enough as well.
Melania is just a hard boss in a bad way
The only boss I have honestly struggled with was the duo fight on demon souls, the two beasts ( forgot the name)
Im not gonna lie Demon Prince doesn't really belong on this list, It wasn't ever a problem no matter how many times I run through DS3 and as always Sword Saint Isshin is overrated as hell If we want to talk about a hard fair fight from Sekiro Inner Father is the hardest aside from the demon of hatred obviously