Hey Everyone, First off, we're ecstatic that a ton of you have been really digging the show and continue to tune in week after week. There's been some questions surrounding the Parasite Episode. Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't finish it in time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode instead. We just wanted to let you know that you should expect the improved audio-quality version of Parasite next week. Thanks again for watching!
THANK YOU! ugh i was so confused last week and then this week you uploaded a video about another movie, and I'm here going 'what the hell happened to Parasite?' Thanks for the clarification.
I was traveling last week and thought I imagined seeing a Parasite video in the list but by the time I had a free moment to watch, poof it was gone. Thought I was going mad.
Thank you for the update. I literally woke up at 3 am excited for the Parasite video, and have been checking daily. I appreciate your dedication to quality!
Fun Fact: Bob Hoskins said that, for two weeks after seeing the movie, his young son wouldn't talk to him. When finally asked why, his son said he couldn't believe his father would work with cartoon characters such as Bugs Bunny and not let him meet them.
As a filmmaker, and someone who literally uses CineFix movie lists to teach my interns about EVERYTHING movie related...I am absolutely LOVING this series.... I've been a fan of your work for many many many years...listening to Clint, Alex and Michael for an hour+ each week is a huge gift.
Bumping the lamp isn’t just about adding an extra layer of complexity because you can, it’s about creating a situation that allows you to add a layer of complexity that lends reality to the scene. The reason the light is moving is because it allows them to light the cartoon in a way that forces a two dimensional character into a three dimensions. These are the tricks they used to make the audience feel the cartoons are part of the physical environment. They knew it made the work more complex but they also knew it would help the film stand the test of time.
Robert Zemeckis said that "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" was like directing 3 different movies at once. 1. 1940s period film noir. 2. Practical fx invisible man film. 3. A feature animated film. Crazy.
This really is one of the greatest movies of all time, and not just cause of the effects. It is a pitch-perfect parody of film noir, while still being a good story on its own. It's Shaun of the Dead/Hot Fuzz levels of brilliance. Also, The Thief and the Cobbler, even incomplete and not exactly as its creators wanted, is one or the best animated movies of all time. Some of the shots are absolutely incredible.
Yes!!! There is your list Clint! Films that are pitch perfect parodies of a genre so good they stand up with the genre itself. Cornetto trilogy Who Framed Roger Rabbit Galaxy Quest Hot Shots part deux There are many more that you think should be just hot shots 1 quality crap cash ins but go so far above and beyond that they hit this high point.
Yay! Clint is always great to watch/listen to. Knowledgeable, witty, and entertaining. Miss what's the difference, scene breakdowns and all the rest. First I've seen of Alex. Like her too.
It's not a quotable line, but Kathleen Turner's husky reading of "I've loved you more than any woman's ever loved a rabbit" had me biting the cushions, swallowing huge laughs. Genius under-the-radar filth.
This has very quickly become the highlight of my media week :) You guys have such good chemistry and some really interesting talking points. Thanks for a great show!
Who Framed Roger Rabbit has aged really well. Which is amazing, considering some of the technology and techniques necessary to make the movie didn't exist when they decided to make it, they invited things to make it possible for the time. And it still looks good today. And the acting. Bob Hoskins having a serious dramatic scene telling the tragic story of what happened to his brother and how it caused his grumpiness. Across from a cartoon rabbit that wasn't actually there. In 1988. Hoskins was probably the only actor at the time who could have made this work. The film being good for the time was a miracle, it shouldn't have been possible. The way the humans and toons physically interact with each other, toons holding physical items, with technology that was invented for the film. It had never happened before. And the movie has aged well? Absolutely amazing.
I just watched WFRR a few nights ago, for the first time since it came out. It's such a Technicolor visual feast. I appreciate the gumshoe film noir references more now.
The clout Spielberg got after this film helped him green light Tiny Toons and Animaniacs, and is considered to be a major factor as to the uptick in the quality of western animation in the 90s as studios tried to capture the success this film and those series garnered.
Another factor I personally consider important to the 90s animation renaissance was the financial failure of Little Nemo. The studio behind Akira had to take contract work after Nemo’s failure, and were responsible for some of the most gorgeous episodes of Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, and Batman the Animated series. This visual improvement in tv animation, I feel, helped convince audiences and executives that the medium was worth investing in for western audiences.
Animation was pretty bad at the time. Disney was very good quality wise but was still doing the same thing they where doing in the 50s. And warner bros was basicly the same. For the rest it was a lot of cheap really fast sloppy series ment as commercials.
@@rogerk6180 that’s the second factor: little Nemo failed at the box office, so you had studios that made things like Akira doing work for hire. That uptick in quality in tiny toons, Animaniacs and Batman increased pressure for other western productions to step up their game
This was the only movie that we had on video as a child so I watched it so often that I can quote (almost) the whole movie! I also watched a "behind the scenes" of the movie in the early nineties and this was a fascinating production. Charles Fleischer WAS on set in the Rabbit costume (not just in the booth) doing the voices for Hoskins.
The idea that Roger couldn’t remove his hand from the cuff until a moment when “it was funny” really informed my understanding of if Betelgeuse as well. Like for Betelgeuse it seems that his power-set is constrained by not repeating the same gag twice. I love analyzing in-universe rules for supernatural characters!
I learned sarcasm from this movie. 50% of my sense of humor developed from this movie. Jessica: Where's Roger? Eddie: Roger? He chickened out on me at Maroon's. Jessica: No, he didn't. I hit him over the head with a frying pan and stuffed him in the trunk. So he wouldn't get hurt. Eddie: Makes perfect sense.
Roger Rabbit was my FAVORITE movie when I was a kid. And it probably still is. I was a weird kid and I found Judge Doom frightening, but for some reason I was really aware of actors and I LOVED Christopher Lloyd because of my OTHER favorite movie, Back to the Future. Roger Rabbit is responsible for ALL my childhood career dreams! I wanted to be a detective and/or an animator. The way the live actors interacted with the cartoon characters so seamlessly just had me absolutely fascinated and enthralled. Maybe I was also just more aware of things because I was 7 when I had first seen it.
Oh wow, the mention of the two-tape VHS set brought back memories. My first of those was The Right Stuff. So all of these years later, the line "Who will be first, ze man or ze monkey? We shall see" gives me a momentary urge to swap the tapes.
Im lucky enough to know one of the puppeteers who made it possible for the weasels to carry real guns around, and also the gentleman that doubled Bob Hoskins when Eddy Valiant was doing various back flips to make the weasels die laughing, as the movie was filmed here in the UK.
I can't believe you didn't mention the toontown sequence, as a kid that was as terrifying as anything else in the movie. That crazy lady really freaked me out
This movie was the first movie I remember seeing in the theater and will always be a favorite. You hmguys are awesome can't wait for next week's episode
In Friends, there's an episode featuring Isabella Rossalini, where everyone has a list of celebrities they're allowed to sleep with. Jessica Rabbit is on Chandler's list. As discussed, Jessica Rabbit is voiced by Kathleen Turner, who plays Chandler's drag-performing father.
CineFix Top 100 so far: 14. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 56. Sunset Boulevard 71. Parasite 83. Who Framed Roger Rabbit? 84. Independence Day Can anyone remind me which spot was for Parasite? they deleted the video EDIT: added Parasite
I wonder why it got deleted? I have a letterbox list tracking the series with links to each episode and sure enough that link is showing private video.
Hey Everyone, A ton of you all have been asking about the Parasite Episode. Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
There is FOOTAGE of Fleischer walking around on set, in full costume, doing his dialogue OFF CAMERA but still nips out to the world. Pretty sure its on the 25th Anniversary DVD special features.
My favourite under-the-radar joke was that the company buying up the streetcars to shut them down & build a freeway was Cloverleaf Industries - as in a cloverleaf interchange - and the logo is pretty much a diagram of a classic interchange. Speaking of, a list about fictional movies set to the backdrop of real events, where Cloverleaf = National City Lines, then Roger Rabbit can be on it.
Holy crap, I guessed the rank on the dot. Great movie. Not one I'd have probably put on my list off the top of my head, but if I put in time and research would probably creep up there .
I love this series. It's a shame that the gentleman that isn't Clint is so desperate for recognition as he is dragging this podcast down. Solid list so far.
I disagree strongly with the assumption that Betty Boop was insecure next to Jessica. She fixed her garter because that's one of her signature risqué gags. Her top would slip down, her garters would slip down, his dress would fall off, etc. Also, there's a reason Jessica isn't a screen star despite the fact that she's in color: she's not funny, and no amount of impossible curves can change that. Of course in the real world, Betty was in plenty of color cartoons. And of course Jessica isn't funny, the rule with writing for her was that she was never the butt of the joke, it's just how she works. But according to the logic of this film, a technicolor Betty Boop would mop the floor with Jessica Rabbit.
After you're done with the official Cinefix Top 100 films I hope you do an mini series of films from the four lists that didn't make it onto the 100. (Clint's missing movies, Dan's missing movies, etc.)
The handcuffs were actually puppeteered by Bob Hoskins. The chain was rigid and either cuff had weights in it of different... well, weight... and depending which way he moved his wrist the cuff would go different directions. You can see in the closeup shot where Roger is wringing out his ears that Hoskins is moving his wrist and making the cuff stand up and wave back and forth. This is actually why Roger wrings out his ears in the position he's in. The good take was the one where the cuffs swung back and forth, so Roger kind of swings his hands back and forth while wringing out the water from his ears like a washcloth. - trevor.
I was shocked that you all hadn't seen the footage of Fleischer dressed in his Roger Rabbit costume on the set. It was everywhere at the time in behind the scenes shows.
@@CineFix I'm not telling you to go watch it, I'm just saying I was shocked you didn't ever just happen across that footage.I remember it being all over the place back in the day.
Do you guys have a "Family Movie" list? Those are the movies that you appreciate as a kid, but get when you're an adult. This would fall squarely in a list like that.
Fern Gully for me. When I watched it as a little kid I assumed the villain was some kind of RPG slime monster something not of this world. I re-watched it fairly recently and discovered that film went heavy on the environmental messaging and the villain made from oil and smog.
For an IP crossover movie you should definitely include another Spielberg film - Ready Player One, which admittedly includes mostly anime, manga and computer game characters but also a ton of movie characters too (Iron Giant, the DeLorean, King Kong etc.) Also for hybrid animated movies, surprised you didn't mention The Mask.
I am SHOCKED that, being the cinephiles you are, you have never seen the behind-the-scenes making of this movie! This is a must to take in all the DVD extras. You would have seen Charles in his Roger Rabbit costume on set. Very memorable. This is one of those unique, one-of-a-kind movies that will never be made in the same way again. Like The Abyss with the whole cast and crew in scuba gear. Or Waterworld with a massive floating set on the open ocean off of the coast of Hawaii. Or even just a sequence like the crashing of a real, full-size train in The Fugitive. Those are some breathtaking movies and movie moments of practical in-camera filmmaking that we rarely, if ever, will see again in the world of CGI and digital compositing. That would make a good movie list!!
I think there is a CineFix countdown of the best practical effects, which I think includes this stuff, but it is one movie per category of effects (matte painting, miniatures, etc)
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
41:00 - 3D did have a small resurgence in the 80s. Notably Disney with 3D films at Disney/EPCOT - like Captain EO released two years earlier. It wouldn't surprise me if they intended Roger Rabbit to either be fully released in 3D, or at least have a Disney theme park attraction that used the opening animation or similar. (Of note: WFRR took almost two years to film/post, so Captain EO was coming out and was a huge hit for Disney just as WFRR was starting production.) But there were also theatrically-released like Jaws 3-D and Friday the 13th Part III (which came out a couple years before Zemeckis' own Back to the Future; and BttF Part II came out the year after WFRR, which joked about 3D continuing into the "far distant future" of 2015. GDI, I old...)
That would be an awesome double feature, however the point of Barbenheimer is that those movies are so different from each other. I would argue Chinatown and Who Framed Roger Rabbit are too similar by comparison.
The story behind the piano trope: radio was going gangbusters from the 1920 into the 40's. Before then, everyone had a piano for home entertainment and music. But with radio taking over, everyone started junking their pianos. The reason early movies had a piano being lifted (and dropped) was because there was this seachange in society as everyone was throwing their pianos out. All the studio prop masters had a practically unlimited supply of junked and cheap piano's whenever they needed a big heavy prop to drop and destroy. This trope then carried over to cartoons.
Who framed roger rabbit is nothing short of a diamond back then and has been crushed to be a better diamond over time, i can't name 3 movies that fit a slot this movie has been able to do.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but no nips! Sorry to tell you, but Charles Fleischer wore a white t-shirt, red overall, and bunny ears. You can find photos and video footage of him on set. I've seen it many times; when anyone seriously talks about this movie. BTW; I was young adult, in my twentys, when I first saw this film. I went to the theater with a friend, and we laughed so hard. I totally love this film.
Hadn't watched this since I was really young. Absolutely incredible animation. I think the freeway speech hits harder nowadays. It's crazy to think how impossible this movie would be to make today. All the different characters and IP spread and owned by so many different companies. Closest we've got is the most recent Space Jam.
27:57: "GOOFY CLEARED OF SPY CHARGES": So, I can't prove it, but I'm 99.9 percent sure that this newspaper headline is an inside baseball reference to "Goofy" creator Art Babbit. In addition to his duties as an animator, Babbit was an executive in "The Federation of Screen Cartoonists", an in-house company union that was (theoretically) meant to serve as means of representation for the animators at Walt Disney Pictures, but (allegedly) put the interests of the studio ahead of the workers they claimed to represent. Babbit was increasingly frustrated by his inability to affect change from within the FSC, and when said workers finally formed their own union and went on strike in 1941, Babbit joined them on the picket line. Walt Disney (the man) took Babbit's action (and the strike as a whole) as a personal afront, claiming in an open letter that the strike was the result of "Communist agitation, leadership and activities". 44:30: "My problem is I got a fifty-year-old lust and a three-year-old dinky". That line is transcribed almost verbatim from the novel "Who Censored Roger Rabbit"; the only difference being that the incarnation of Baby Herman that appears in the book is 30 years old, not fifty. 48:39: You'd have to put "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" on a list of all-time spoof films. This doesn't really get talked about very much because the material works on its own as a complete movie, but for all intents and purposes, "Roger Rabbit" is to "Chinatown" what "National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1" is to "Lethal Weapon" (It also borrows heavily from "Casablanca" and "The Maltese Falcon"). 'Toontown and all the various characters who live there serve the same basic story function that the Chinatown immigrant community did in the 1974 film and Jessica Rabbit's Femme-Fatal-but-not-really characterization is more in line with Evelyn Mulray then anything the character did in the book (plus Kathleen Turner is more or less riffing on Faye Dunaway's original performance).
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
@@CineFixAre you open to suggestions for future videos? I do have some suggestions for you to create for future "What's the Difference?" episodes. First off, the 1974 film, "The Towering Inferno", is based on two novels, "The Tower" and "The Glass Inferno", and the next suggestion is "The Foreigner", starring Jackie Chan and Pierce Brosnan, based on the novel, "The Chinaman". I hope you can get a deep dive look into these suggestions I've presented. Keep up the good work.
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
Roger rabit was a disney project long before zemeckis and spielberg where involved. It was in development hell for years already before they came along and got things roling and had the vision to male it the great film it is now.
The long form discussion is awesome, but the profusion of "like" is distracting. It happens at moments of great excitement and enthusiasm. Which happens often.
Of note - Tim Curry was turned down for the role of Judge Doom for being "too scary" - he then went on to play Pennywise the clown in the original It miniseries a couple years later. So yeah…. "too scary" indeed. (And he had already been Darkness in Legend.)
I'm glad Tim Curry wasn't cast. One of the things that makes Christopher Loyd's performance so great is that it's so unexpected. If it had been Tim Curry I would have been like "oh look, Long John silver from Muppet Treasure Island is in this". Instead, I didn't know Doom was played by Christopher Loyd for over half my life because of how he blends into the role.
I've watched all of these now, and legit the person in the third chair doesn't need to be there and adds nothing. Just get Clint and Alex talking about them. Nothing has ever been improved by a three man booth, particularly when they're either mute or do their best 'like Clueless like impression like wow' (41:43 in particular)
Hey Everyone, A ton of you all have been asking about the Parasite Episode. Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
What happened to the Parasite episode? I saw it go live, added it to watch later and it was gone in a matter of an hour. There's still uploads of it on third party sites but I'd rather give the view to the official channel tbh...
You guys really need to look up what Charles Fleischer dressed up like for this movie, he literally dressed up like Roger Rabbit, not just the clothes.
Might want to fix the title of the episode, there is no question mark in Who Framed Roger Rabbit Spielberg was superstitious of the question mark as films that include them in the title often fail at the box office so it was not included
Sorry to be so public about it 😂 Otherwise, video is a knockout! Roger Rabbit does not get enough love. As a kid I watched it to the point that my family hid the VHS and my wife will probably do the same with the 4K at some point
42:15 Space Jam isn't the closest thing to Roger Rabbit... I'd say it is the Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers movie. Roger has even a cameo. :p (Unless you meant the type of animation with "analogue".)
I am super sad that "I tell ya, Valiant, the whole thing stinks like yesterday's diaper" was not a quote remembered. It is the perfect distilation of how much noir and comedy is the movie
Hey Everyone,
First off, we're ecstatic that a ton of you have been really digging the show and continue to tune in week after week. There's been some questions surrounding the Parasite Episode. Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't finish it in time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode instead. We just wanted to let you know that you should expect the improved audio-quality version of Parasite next week.
Thanks again for watching!
THANK YOU! ugh i was so confused last week and then this week you uploaded a video about another movie, and I'm here going 'what the hell happened to Parasite?' Thanks for the clarification.
I was traveling last week and thought I imagined seeing a Parasite video in the list but by the time I had a free moment to watch, poof it was gone. Thought I was going mad.
Thank you for the update. I literally woke up at 3 am excited for the Parasite video, and have been checking daily. I appreciate your dedication to quality!
Rest in peace Bob Hopkins.
Thank you! Was about to ask what happened to it. I was saving it for later - only to have it disappear.
I worried.
Fun Fact: Bob Hoskins said that, for two weeks after seeing the movie, his young son wouldn't talk to him. When finally asked why, his son said he couldn't believe his father would work with cartoon characters such as Bugs Bunny and not let him meet them.
His son was 33 😂
Bob Hopkins played Roger rabbit,hook, and son of the mask the Norse gods Odin.
@@aaronzachary3979Bob Hoskins played Eddie in Roger Rabbit and Smee in Hook
As a filmmaker, and someone who literally uses CineFix movie lists to teach my interns about EVERYTHING movie related...I am absolutely LOVING this series.... I've been a fan of your work for many many many years...listening to Clint, Alex and Michael for an hour+ each week is a huge gift.
Isn't that your job, to teach your interns
I want the version of Who Framed Roger Rabbit where Nick Cage plays ALL the weasles.
Bumping the lamp isn’t just about adding an extra layer of complexity because you can, it’s about creating a situation that allows you to add a layer of complexity that lends reality to the scene. The reason the light is moving is because it allows them to light the cartoon in a way that forces a two dimensional character into a three dimensions. These are the tricks they used to make the audience feel the cartoons are part of the physical environment. They knew it made the work more complex but they also knew it would help the film stand the test of time.
Robert Zemeckis said that "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" was like directing 3 different movies at once.
1. 1940s period film noir.
2. Practical fx invisible man film.
3. A feature animated film.
Crazy.
This really is one of the greatest movies of all time, and not just cause of the effects. It is a pitch-perfect parody of film noir, while still being a good story on its own. It's Shaun of the Dead/Hot Fuzz levels of brilliance. Also, The Thief and the Cobbler, even incomplete and not exactly as its creators wanted, is one or the best animated movies of all time. Some of the shots are absolutely incredible.
Yes!!! There is your list Clint! Films that are pitch perfect parodies of a genre so good they stand up with the genre itself.
Cornetto trilogy
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Galaxy Quest
Hot Shots part deux
There are many more that you think should be just hot shots 1 quality crap cash ins but go so far above and beyond that they hit this high point.
Yay! Clint is always great to watch/listen to. Knowledgeable, witty, and entertaining. Miss what's the difference, scene breakdowns and all the rest.
First I've seen of Alex. Like her too.
It's not a quotable line, but Kathleen Turner's husky reading of "I've loved you more than any woman's ever loved a rabbit" had me biting the cushions, swallowing huge laughs. Genius under-the-radar filth.
This has very quickly become the highlight of my media week :) You guys have such good chemistry and some really interesting talking points. Thanks for a great show!
Glad you enjoy it! We're excited for the twists and turns to come!
Who Framed Roger Rabbit has aged really well. Which is amazing, considering some of the technology and techniques necessary to make the movie didn't exist when they decided to make it, they invited things to make it possible for the time. And it still looks good today. And the acting. Bob Hoskins having a serious dramatic scene telling the tragic story of what happened to his brother and how it caused his grumpiness. Across from a cartoon rabbit that wasn't actually there. In 1988. Hoskins was probably the only actor at the time who could have made this work. The film being good for the time was a miracle, it shouldn't have been possible. The way the humans and toons physically interact with each other, toons holding physical items, with technology that was invented for the film. It had never happened before. And the movie has aged well? Absolutely amazing.
That and Death Becomes Her
I just watched WFRR a few nights ago, for the first time since it came out. It's such a Technicolor visual feast. I appreciate the gumshoe film noir references more now.
The clout Spielberg got after this film helped him green light Tiny Toons and Animaniacs, and is considered to be a major factor as to the uptick in the quality of western animation in the 90s as studios tried to capture the success this film and those series garnered.
Another factor I personally consider important to the 90s animation renaissance was the financial failure of Little Nemo. The studio behind Akira had to take contract work after Nemo’s failure, and were responsible for some of the most gorgeous episodes of Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, and Batman the Animated series.
This visual improvement in tv animation, I feel, helped convince audiences and executives that the medium was worth investing in for western audiences.
Animation was pretty bad at the time. Disney was very good quality wise but was still doing the same thing they where doing in the 50s. And warner bros was basicly the same.
For the rest it was a lot of cheap really fast sloppy series ment as commercials.
@@rogerk6180 that’s the second factor: little Nemo failed at the box office, so you had studios that made things like Akira doing work for hire. That uptick in quality in tiny toons, Animaniacs and Batman increased pressure for other western productions to step up their game
I do regularly say "my God, it'll be beautiful" in Judge Doom voice 😆
Eddie fighting to keep Roger hidden in his trench coat.
Delores: is that a rabbit in your pocket,or are you just happy to see me?
Thanks for this wonderful conversation about a brilliant movie! Zemeckis at his peak! Looking forward to your next week!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was the only movie that we had on video as a child so I watched it so often that I can quote (almost) the whole movie! I also watched a "behind the scenes" of the movie in the early nineties and this was a fascinating production. Charles Fleischer WAS on set in the Rabbit costume (not just in the booth) doing the voices for Hoskins.
One of my top 10 of all time, I absolutely love this film. The casting is perfect and the voice direction is on point too.
The idea that Roger couldn’t remove his hand from the cuff until a moment when “it was funny” really informed my understanding of if Betelgeuse as well. Like for Betelgeuse it seems that his power-set is constrained by not repeating the same gag twice. I love analyzing in-universe rules for supernatural characters!
This movie reinvigorated Disney animation and literally saved western animation as a whole.
Thanks for updating the microphones, sounds a lot better. And keep this up, very enjoyable !
I learned sarcasm from this movie. 50% of my sense of humor developed from this movie.
Jessica: Where's Roger?
Eddie: Roger? He chickened out on me at Maroon's.
Jessica: No, he didn't. I hit him over the head with a frying pan and stuffed him in the trunk.
So he wouldn't get hurt.
Eddie: Makes perfect sense.
Rest in peace devatives.
Hi! Middle-aged guy here who saw this in the theater as a kid.
Yes, several scenes from this scarred me for life. Yes, those ones.
Having a ton of fun with this little movie book club. I enjoy having a reason to watch a new movie every week and then listen to your analysis.
We'll be dropping Parasite this next week (after a delay) and then City of God the week after!
Watched this today because of this recommendation, was awesome thank you!
List revealed so far:
14. Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
56. Sunset Boulevard
83. Who Framed Roger Rabbit
84. Independence Day
I don't think Independence Day belongs on a top 100 list. That would be like calling candy corn one of the best meals of all time.
Roger Rabbit was my FAVORITE movie when I was a kid. And it probably still is. I was a weird kid and I found Judge Doom frightening, but for some reason I was really aware of actors and I LOVED Christopher Lloyd because of my OTHER favorite movie, Back to the Future. Roger Rabbit is responsible for ALL my childhood career dreams! I wanted to be a detective and/or an animator. The way the live actors interacted with the cartoon characters so seamlessly just had me absolutely fascinated and enthralled. Maybe I was also just more aware of things because I was 7 when I had first seen it.
Oh wow, the mention of the two-tape VHS set brought back memories. My first of those was The Right Stuff. So all of these years later, the line "Who will be first, ze man or ze monkey? We shall see" gives me a momentary urge to swap the tapes.
Im lucky enough to know one of the puppeteers who made it possible for the weasels to carry real guns around, and also the gentleman that doubled Bob Hoskins when Eddy Valiant was doing various back flips to make the weasels die laughing, as the movie was filmed here in the UK.
Rest in peace 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️✌️✌️✌️🕊️🕊️ Eddy.
I can't believe you didn't mention the toontown sequence, as a kid that was as terrifying as anything else in the movie. That crazy lady really freaked me out
This movie was the first movie I remember seeing in the theater and will always be a favorite. You hmguys are awesome can't wait for next week's episode
What beverage are y'all drinking? I could believe apple juice and piss simultaneously
Thanks for the new tongue twister:
Dusty Dead Brother Desk
great series!! went back & watched every movie discussed so far. would love this algorithm to make a top 100 list with friends
If I disclose how it’s done then the cast would be able to figure out where things land!
One of my regular quotes is "You DO hate me. Otherwise, you wouldn't have yanked my ears all those times."
In Friends, there's an episode featuring Isabella Rossalini, where everyone has a list of celebrities they're allowed to sleep with. Jessica Rabbit is on Chandler's list. As discussed, Jessica Rabbit is voiced by Kathleen Turner, who plays Chandler's drag-performing father.
Lol I never put that together, nice one
LoL 😂😂😂😆😆😆😆😂😂😆😆 hahaha I love it.
I remember going to the movie theaters to see this movie although the book is much darker. I love the Daffy Duck and Donald Duck piano-playing scene.
thanks for the audio quality improvement
CineFix Top 100 so far:
14. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
56. Sunset Boulevard
71. Parasite
83. Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
84. Independence Day
Can anyone remind me which spot was for Parasite? they deleted the video EDIT: added Parasite
71. Parasite
#71
I wonder why it got deleted? I have a letterbox list tracking the series with links to each episode and sure enough that link is showing private video.
Hey Everyone,
A ton of you all have been asking about the Parasite Episode. Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
Roger Rabbit is no 83 on my Flickchart-list. So, spot on!
There is FOOTAGE of Fleischer walking around on set, in full costume, doing his dialogue OFF CAMERA but still nips out to the world. Pretty sure its on the 25th Anniversary DVD special features.
My favourite under-the-radar joke was that the company buying up the streetcars to shut them down & build a freeway was Cloverleaf Industries - as in a cloverleaf interchange - and the logo is pretty much a diagram of a classic interchange.
Speaking of, a list about fictional movies set to the backdrop of real events, where Cloverleaf = National City Lines, then Roger Rabbit can be on it.
Holy crap, I guessed the rank on the dot. Great movie. Not one I'd have probably put on my list off the top of my head, but if I put in time and research would probably creep up there .
I love this series. It's a shame that the gentleman that isn't Clint is so desperate for recognition as he is dragging this podcast down. Solid list so far.
We're offended you'd ever refer to Dan as a gentleman.
@@CineFix Touche!!! Actually, after watching the episode three times, I reckon that Gentleman Dan did just fine.
Roger Rabbit is #1 on my personal list. Great movie, great discussion.
I agree! The titular character is my favorite animated character!
Funny analogy about the sound only being noticed when it’s messed up 👀 glad it’s sounding good now tho especially in time for this film
I disagree strongly with the assumption that Betty Boop was insecure next to Jessica. She fixed her garter because that's one of her signature risqué gags. Her top would slip down, her garters would slip down, his dress would fall off, etc. Also, there's a reason Jessica isn't a screen star despite the fact that she's in color: she's not funny, and no amount of impossible curves can change that.
Of course in the real world, Betty was in plenty of color cartoons. And of course Jessica isn't funny, the rule with writing for her was that she was never the butt of the joke, it's just how she works. But according to the logic of this film, a technicolor Betty Boop would mop the floor with Jessica Rabbit.
For the Nic Cage bit, RK Maroon would be a good one. Also Acme just to see Nic Cage in the patty cake photo series.
After you're done with the official Cinefix Top 100 films I hope you do an mini series of films from the four lists that didn't make it onto the 100. (Clint's missing movies, Dan's missing movies, etc.)
Good news! we'll be doing a little bit of that as we go!
@@danparkhurst6520 Awesome! Thanks for the reply 🙂
You actually want to hear about Dan's stinkers? He hasn't shared his list, but come on...
The handcuffs were actually puppeteered by Bob Hoskins. The chain was rigid and either cuff had weights in it of different... well, weight... and depending which way he moved his wrist the cuff would go different directions. You can see in the closeup shot where Roger is wringing out his ears that Hoskins is moving his wrist and making the cuff stand up and wave back and forth. This is actually why Roger wrings out his ears in the position he's in. The good take was the one where the cuffs swung back and forth, so Roger kind of swings his hands back and forth while wringing out the water from his ears like a washcloth.
- trevor.
I was shocked that you all hadn't seen the footage of Fleischer dressed in his Roger Rabbit costume on the set. It was everywhere at the time in behind the scenes shows.
Please, just let us have our fantasies about this one. It's much funnier if he's nips out.
@@CineFix I'm not telling you to go watch it, I'm just saying I was shocked you didn't ever just happen across that footage.I remember it being all over the place back in the day.
All around spectacular movie.
Do you guys have a "Family Movie" list? Those are the movies that you appreciate as a kid, but get when you're an adult. This would fall squarely in a list like that.
Fern Gully for me.
When I watched it as a little kid I assumed the villain was some kind of RPG slime monster something not of this world. I re-watched it fairly recently and discovered that film went heavy on the environmental messaging and the villain made from oil and smog.
For an IP crossover movie you should definitely include another Spielberg film - Ready Player One, which admittedly includes mostly anime, manga and computer game characters but also a ton of movie characters too (Iron Giant, the DeLorean, King Kong etc.)
Also for hybrid animated movies, surprised you didn't mention The Mask.
I read this as WFRR "in lamp-burning projection" and wondered if you were going to be watching the movie using a Magic Lantern!
A movie list this could be in is “the hardest (or most difficult) movies to make”
I am SHOCKED that, being the cinephiles you are, you have never seen the behind-the-scenes making of this movie! This is a must to take in all the DVD extras. You would have seen Charles in his Roger Rabbit costume on set. Very memorable.
This is one of those unique, one-of-a-kind movies that will never be made in the same way again. Like The Abyss with the whole cast and crew in scuba gear. Or Waterworld with a massive floating set on the open ocean off of the coast of Hawaii. Or even just a sequence like the crashing of a real, full-size train in The Fugitive. Those are some breathtaking movies and movie moments of practical in-camera filmmaking that we rarely, if ever, will see again in the world of CGI and digital compositing.
That would make a good movie list!!
I think there is a CineFix countdown of the best practical effects, which I think includes this stuff, but it is one movie per category of effects (matte painting, miniatures, etc)
Chucky just chillin' in the background, waiting for the cameras to turn off before doing a bit of a murder.
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
glad you noticed!
If one day, one of us just isn't on the show anymore, you'll know what happened.
41:00 - 3D did have a small resurgence in the 80s. Notably Disney with 3D films at Disney/EPCOT - like Captain EO released two years earlier. It wouldn't surprise me if they intended Roger Rabbit to either be fully released in 3D, or at least have a Disney theme park attraction that used the opening animation or similar. (Of note: WFRR took almost two years to film/post, so Captain EO was coming out and was a huge hit for Disney just as WFRR was starting production.)
But there were also theatrically-released like Jaws 3-D and Friday the 13th Part III (which came out a couple years before Zemeckis' own Back to the Future; and BttF Part II came out the year after WFRR, which joked about 3D continuing into the "far distant future" of 2015. GDI, I old...)
What is the early animated Richard Williams short film?
Chinatown and Roger Rabbit double feature would be the Barbenheimer of it's day.
That would be an awesome double feature, however the point of Barbenheimer is that those movies are so different from each other. I would argue Chinatown and Who Framed Roger Rabbit are too similar by comparison.
The story behind the piano trope: radio was going gangbusters from the 1920 into the 40's. Before then, everyone had a piano for home entertainment and music. But with radio taking over, everyone started junking their pianos. The reason early movies had a piano being lifted (and dropped) was because there was this seachange in society as everyone was throwing their pianos out. All the studio prop masters had a practically unlimited supply of junked and cheap piano's whenever they needed a big heavy prop to drop and destroy. This trope then carried over to cartoons.
Who framed roger rabbit is nothing short of a diamond back then and has been crushed to be a better diamond over time, i can't name 3 movies that fit a slot this movie has been able to do.
Judge doom was bad or badass.
He wasn’t nips out! He wore a bunny costume with Roger’s clothes.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but no nips! Sorry to tell you, but Charles Fleischer wore a white t-shirt, red overall, and bunny ears. You can find photos and video footage of him on set. I've seen it many times; when anyone seriously talks about this movie. BTW; I was young adult, in my twentys, when I first saw this film. I went to the theater with a friend, and we laughed so hard. I totally love this film.
Hadn't watched this since I was really young. Absolutely incredible animation. I think the freeway speech hits harder nowadays. It's crazy to think how impossible this movie would be to make today. All the different characters and IP spread and owned by so many different companies. Closest we've got is the most recent Space Jam.
How about Ready Player One or the Lego movies?
27:57: "GOOFY CLEARED OF SPY CHARGES": So, I can't prove it, but I'm 99.9 percent sure that this newspaper headline is an inside baseball reference to "Goofy" creator Art Babbit. In addition to his duties as an animator, Babbit was an executive in "The Federation of Screen Cartoonists", an in-house company union that was (theoretically) meant to serve as means of representation for the animators at Walt Disney Pictures, but (allegedly) put the interests of the studio ahead of the workers they claimed to represent. Babbit was increasingly frustrated by his inability to affect change from within the FSC, and when said workers finally formed their own union and went on strike in 1941, Babbit joined them on the picket line. Walt Disney (the man) took Babbit's action (and the strike as a whole) as a personal afront, claiming in an open letter that the strike was the result of "Communist agitation, leadership and activities".
44:30: "My problem is I got a fifty-year-old lust and a three-year-old dinky". That line is transcribed almost verbatim from the novel "Who Censored Roger Rabbit"; the only difference being that the incarnation of Baby Herman that appears in the book is 30 years old, not fifty.
48:39: You'd have to put "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" on a list of all-time spoof films. This doesn't really get talked about very much because the material works on its own as a complete movie, but for all intents and purposes, "Roger Rabbit" is to "Chinatown" what "National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1" is to "Lethal Weapon" (It also borrows heavily from "Casablanca" and "The Maltese Falcon"). 'Toontown and all the various characters who live there serve the same basic story function that the Chinatown immigrant community did in the 1974 film and Jessica Rabbit's Femme-Fatal-but-not-really characterization is more in line with Evelyn Mulray then anything the character did in the book (plus Kathleen Turner is more or less riffing on Faye Dunaway's original performance).
Might be the best comment I’ve ever read.
So what happened to the Parasite video?
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
@@CineFixAre you open to suggestions for future videos? I do have some suggestions for you to create for future "What's the Difference?" episodes. First off, the 1974 film, "The Towering Inferno", is based on two novels, "The Tower" and "The Glass Inferno", and the next suggestion is "The Foreigner", starring Jackie Chan and Pierce Brosnan, based on the novel, "The Chinaman". I hope you can get a deep dive look into these suggestions I've presented. Keep up the good work.
Hey cinefix, what happened to the parasite video? I was midway thru the vid listening and then it suddenly got deleted :((
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
@@CineFix Tysm!
This is a beaut of a movie! I watched it non stop on vhs and rediscovered it on dvd
Why did you take down the Parasite video ?
Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
Roger rabit was a disney project long before zemeckis and spielberg where involved. It was in development hell for years already before they came along and got things roling and had the vision to male it the great film it is now.
Y’all really need to see those bts photos and videos of Rogers VA on set, it’s so funny 😂
No it's not this is definitely not funny
Truly one of the greatest.
Fleischer was onset in costume!
The long form discussion is awesome, but the profusion of "like" is distracting. It happens at moments of great excitement and enthusiasm. Which happens often.
My quote is OH MY GOD IT'S DIIIP
and I am sure my parents stopped serving dips at home because I kept doing that
This gets my vote for best movie ever.
I’ve got the perfect idea for a sequel, Disney. Let me know when you’re ready to talk
Toon Town would be proud.
Regarding Spielberg's flop 1941 - I loved that movie. I just hope you have to review it! LOL!
Charlies Fleischer actually wore a rabbit's mascot costume on-set.
Of note - Tim Curry was turned down for the role of Judge Doom for being "too scary" - he then went on to play Pennywise the clown in the original It miniseries a couple years later. So yeah…. "too scary" indeed. (And he had already been Darkness in Legend.)
I'm glad Tim Curry wasn't cast. One of the things that makes Christopher Loyd's performance so great is that it's so unexpected. If it had been Tim Curry I would have been like "oh look, Long John silver from Muppet Treasure Island is in this". Instead, I didn't know Doom was played by Christopher Loyd for over half my life because of how he blends into the role.
I've watched all of these now, and legit the person in the third chair doesn't need to be there and adds nothing. Just get Clint and Alex talking about them. Nothing has ever been improved by a three man booth, particularly when they're either mute or do their best 'like Clueless like impression like wow' (41:43 in particular)
Snakeskin Jacket Factor... awesome chapter heading :)
Thanks to Cal for one of our favorite segments!
Idk why, but the comment at 1:09:00 made me upset. “That’s why we keep you around” I know it wasn’t serious. But Clint is the ONLY reason I watch ign.
Why were there so many staff walking back and forth in the background while you were filming? It was super distracting for me.
DIP is paint thinner & ink remover, hence why it's a perfect as a means to kill Toons.
What happened to the Parasite episode? I was looking forward to watch it and then it disappeared.
Hey Everyone,
A ton of you all have been asking about the Parasite Episode. Full disclosure, we weren't happy with the audio quality of it, so we decided to fix it. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done it time for Monday's pub date, so we published our next episode that was ready to go. Expect the improved audio quality version of Parasite, next week.
@@CineFixthat's great, glad it will be fixed! 😊
What happened to the Parasite episode? I saw it go live, added it to watch later and it was gone in a matter of an hour. There's still uploads of it on third party sites but I'd rather give the view to the official channel tbh...
It's coming next week!
The craziest thing about the movie for me is knowing that it's a repurposed script from what would've been Chinatown 2: the freeway.
You guys really need to look up what Charles Fleischer dressed up like for this movie, he literally dressed up like Roger Rabbit, not just the clothes.
Though there's Some that are Superior; Nonetheless one of my Favourite (Partially) Animated films Ever.
Might want to fix the title of the episode, there is no question mark in Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Spielberg was superstitious of the question mark as films that include them in the title often fail at the box office so it was not included
Thanks for the heads up!
Dan, why are you bad at everything?
Sorry to be so public about it 😂
Otherwise, video is a knockout! Roger Rabbit does not get enough love. As a kid I watched it to the point that my family hid the VHS and my wife will probably do the same with the 4K at some point
@@nickydooo Thanks for watching! Once again, we apologize for Dan being bad at his job. Please continue to call him out when he messes up again.
42:15 Space Jam isn't the closest thing to Roger Rabbit... I'd say it is the Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers movie. Roger has even a cameo. :p (Unless you meant the type of animation with "analogue".)
I was 36 when this came out and if I remember correctly it wasn't pointedly pitched to kids.
Who Rogered Frame Rabbit?
Hosk Bobins.
I am super sad that "I tell ya, Valiant, the whole thing stinks like yesterday's diaper" was not a quote remembered. It is the perfect distilation of how much noir and comedy is the movie
What happened to parasite episode?
We weren't happy with the audio and a fixed version will be up on Monday!
@@CineFix thanks for reply!
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