Same partially due to how insanely powerful he is for Eddie to briefly become the first character i know of too powerful for even marvel comics to win. Since he lost his turn as Captain Universe not long after winning the fight
I'm all in on Knull and really hope they dont "Love and Thunder" the character. Star Wars is sorta doing it right lately by letting true fans produce the series like John Favreau.
@@captaincoooolFavreau works closely with Marvel too tho he just hasn't had a finger in a main project in a while. We just saw him in What If season 2 as Freak so I assume Thunderbolts and Capt America 4 New World Order are inherently better now that they have more time
I like that Knull put up a good fight and didn’t just get clapped for plot reasons. Don’t know how I feel about my latest favorite marvel villain getting so quickly power crept, but this is going to be the most insane Venom Vs Carnage story ever!!!
@@thatonehumanthing937it isn’t really a fluke, yeah it’s true that Knull was cheap shotted by Carnage when his back was turned, but Carnage does have pieces of mjolnir as part of his biomass now and we saw what thors hammer did against knull in the main timeline. If they fought head to head I would say that knull would still have the advantage but it would be more even than originally thought.
@f.ggaming8206 I remember what it did to knul... it irritated him. They had to throw him into the sun to even win. He couldn't be controlled at all and ur telling me a symbiote blind sided the God of symbiotes and absorbed him in a short time... after we learned so much about him and how strong he really is.... there's no chance in hell a psychopath even with the powers he had could blind side The King In Black.... It is a fun story and interesting but from an honest standpoint it definitely wouldn't happen.
Carnage is a different breed of monster but that doesn't mean that Eddie isn't putting in that work either. If we thought that Carnage vs Knull was good when he meets up with the Eddie who defeats Meridius it's going to be nasty. He will probably start glowing like Bruce Leroy in the Last Dragon.
I kinda want Eddie to welcome Carnage right into a checkmate. His powers as the King in Black are essentially to influence the entire timeline organically, which allows him to subtly guide events to line up exactly as he needs them to. Reality warping from the inside, instead of forcing another reality on top of it. So their battle essentially comes down to a giant puzzle for Eddie, to find a way to defeat Carnage and pull all the strings to bring all variables together exactly when and how he needs them to.
This comic is doing massive retcons and I'm not sure if I really like it, Knull was very much a multiversal entity he was aware of what symbiotes were doing in other universes even to the point of controlling symbiotes that were artificial, this other Knull just appeared out of no were just so Carnage can be a King in Black but that also puts into question everything that is happening with Eddie Brock plus Carnage being able to just absorb the Enigma Force like that doesn't make sense either seeing that not even the host of the Enigma were able to keep it unless the force wanted it added to that Carnage is also pure darkness which is the opposite of the Force so it should have hurted him instead of power him up.
The fact that it took Carange with the power of hundreds of other beings including Mephisto, silver surfer, and enigma force just to beat an alternate Knull makes Knull even more powerful for me. P.S Caraage would have most likely lost without the enigma force.
Well Knull was being capable of waging war against Celestials and the best they could do was banish him lol the only reason the earth heroes won is because S.S carried the enigma force into earth allowing it to find its host as it would have been stuck outside the barrier Knull had around earth
Whoever wrote this clearly didn't do their research. Knull himself said he's connected to every symbiote across all realities, which means his alternate reality versions still share a hivemind. Not only that, but he watered Knull and the symbiote dragons down badly. I wish writers would pay attention to the work they're following after instead of pedestaling their power fantasy. It's still an interesting story, but holy shit it doesn't make sense. "Knull is of the flesh" wtf even was that false statement? He's 100% symbiote on a higher scale. Would've been nice to see the accurate depiction of knull face off against this souped up Carnage, because even with those powers, I'm sure knull would've been molly whopping carnage's ass. And don't even get me started with the enigma force, they really fumbled the ball with what was established in the spiderverse series
@@DermotBrophy hey I get it, sometimes the story is better than the continuity. Don't get me wrong, I've been on every issue the minute they drop, and carnage and ghost rider have been giving me the fix we needed. Just wish they stuck to the established scaling and limitations, would've meant a longer battle with Knull that required more adept use of the powers carnage gained, but instead we got "two god-like entities with wide power sets settling for swinging blades at eachother"
@@justanothercollector43 Same here. The inconsistency of writers following existing stories is why I've also quit. Knull's Origin says "in the beginning" but clearly there was more prior from that point since the Celestials aren't the first ones who brought life into the universe as told by Knull.
Knull should have pulled a big brain move by traveling to all the multiverse & merge with his alternate selves. Or kill them to take their powers like Carnage did.
Knull is multiversal but every universe has one version of knull. They are not same. Even this version of knull was so powerful that it took carnage to have enigma force power of silver surfer and power of 100 other powerful beings to kill knull. And it's just weaker version of knull. Also carnage stabbed him from behind when knull was busy fighting others.
But knull said he's linked to every symbiote in every reality. How does he not know? Also, as king, isn't Eddie's control of symbiotes complete? How is carnage free from that? Sounds like plot armor.
Comic writers are so inconsistent. The way the enigma force comes off is that it chooses people. Why would it stay in Carnage? Oh and for the love of god can someone else explain to me what is cosmic awareness because in Thanos Wins I was like "Ha ha okay''. Thanos managed to backstab a person with cosmic awareness". But now they do it to Silver Surfer again in this issue. I am confused.
It especially makes no sense since it was basically being used interchangeably with the starbrand as far as I've seen it. Wasn't it supposed to be a universal defense system?
@@ceral1871 That makes no sense. Carnage needed it to fight Knull from another reality which means he was not as strong as Knull. The enigma force is as strong or stronger than Knull. There's no way Carnage " is strong enough to contain it within himself". The math ain't mathing.
Man the editors need to reign in these writers. The inheritors squashed captain universe Spiderman like it was nothing and then somehow enigma force Carnage can hold his own against frickin Knull, the guy who basically one shotted the Void.
I bestow upon you, the rights of my kin, the king must fall, farewell to him. The path that you choose must be your own, Win or Loose ? It´s in the seeds that you´ve sewn. Wicked in life, righteous in death, ultimately dimised, in the final breath. Show your strength, to the ones that you fear. Keep your enemies close, let your friends near...
He once took control of SS, plus this is an insanely Amped Carnage (not your average day to day version) If he's powerful enough to battle and kill Knull, he's sure as hell more than overqualified to kill SS
No he needed the silver surfer to get to knulls level. No way with just what had should he be able to get the silver surfer let alone a silver surfer with the enigma force.
He shouldn’t have been able to take out all those venoms at the same time in his normal, weakened form. That’s a complete fuck up on their part, and I’ve already lost interest now lol.
@@Anonymous-ee7sirob explained it wrong. That’s not his normal weakened form he still has the powers of the Grendel symbiote which is one of knulls strongest dragons.
Fucking wild, I love that they made Eddie and Venom into gods and did the same to Carnage. Now I hope they do something equally as phenomenal with Toxin.
Was the venom silver surfer with the enigma force in the same universe as the knull that carnage killed? If it wasn’t then the enigma force wouldn’t work in another universe. We learned that from Spider-Man and the inheritors story
No carnage absorbed the enigma force if enigma force chose the person than if he leaves the universe the power is gone not absorbing the power enigma force is not chosen the carnage carnage absorbed the power that's way the power is not leaving carnage and the enigma force is not multiverse being in every single universe there's enigma force
2:08 TBH… since childhood, Vemon has ALWAYS been my FAVORITE character.. even over Spider-Man… But lately, I feel like there’s wayyyy too many Symbiotes in marvel comics. (Not enough in the MCU) .. I wish they would’ve stuck with JUST Venom- Carnage -Phage* Riot Scream ?? Shreek?? (forgot the 2 others names…) And then -TOXIN! (I was HYPED reading that comic as a kid.. with the introduction of Patrick Mulligan - Toxin) But now. Everyone & their Mothers have a Symbiote .. 😂 ❤ the video tho.. ~Dr.Zeus
They watered down this knull and the symbiote dragons *drastically* for the sake of putting carnage on an even playing field with KIB, they ignored a lot of the established functions of characters and forces in this issue. And if you don't believe me, carnage saying knull is "of the flesh" should've been one of many alarm bells going off
If only Cletus Cassidy from the main Marvel universe witness Carnage now. Hopefully they'll both merge like Kenneth suggest to take on Earth-616 Eddie Brock.
As someone who has loved comics and marvel in particular for years I have to say. The ease with which they are letting the celestials get killed or beaten nowadays is ridiculous. They used to be in the upper echelons of power now they seem to just be pawns to throw at a story.
On a side note, I find it funny that Eddie in the mainline, has a canon child that he and Venom made. Before Peter would ever would, that's the blessing of not being too famous or too unknown now.
When Thor Love and Thunder revealed Gorr and All Black, Venom talking about the multiverse and after Eternals showed Celestials, I was hoping they’d go back and show Knull fighting Celestials and cutting the head off to what is Knowhere. Knull could have been the new big bad with a lot of sweet build up to Thor taking him Down in the future. So sad they ended him in one movie after such an awesome Storyline
Q: How did Carnage absorb the Enigma Force? The Enigma Force supposedly has a will of his own, and it only bonds to good guys... and its Equal in power to Knull, so if Carnage with it absorbed was on the same power level as Knull, how did he manage to overpower and absorb it in the first place?
This is what I wanted, CARNAGE HAS WON!!! At the end of Carnage Reigns we see a piece of Cletus left alive as the Extrembiote and if it reunites with Carnage then together they'll be fully complete and more powerful.
After seeing carnage becoming a god and the new king in black plus the captain universe Powers with many heroes powers as well it’s too much I am starting to think meridius is the answers in order to win this battle Notice meridius in his future ate every symbiote in his universe to gain immense Powers Plus with the other kings in black meridius prime Eddie Wilde tyro bedlam finnigan Will have to merge their powers to fight a been like this Then Eddie needs to borrow the venom symbiote Dylan bonded to venom has evolved The venom symbiote this was meridius plan I though meridius was the problem but he might be the answers to everything Or Eddie can hope he can call the Eventuality to bail him out it will be a wrap for carnage If the Eventuality gets in the mix but don’t see it happening
Eddie and his future self will join forces, and Eddie will see why he needs to become MORIDEOUS. Everything is going according to his plan, if it were not, Kang, DOOM, and MORIDIOUS would have made plans to end carnage.
One theory that your Wong meridius never resurrected his original body Prime Eddie did after that whole limbo situation split Eddie and bedlam into two where one version bedlam beats and kills darkoth, And return to the garden and transform into Wilde but it never happen Bedlam and Eddie teaming up that never happen since meridius doesn’t Have those memories Explain why meridius is following Eddie journey when we saw him in venom 25 But Eddie is going to needs the other kings in black to beat king in black carnage
You left out the part where Carnage not only killed but absorbed the Silver Surfer's power & abilities as well. Same with Dream Stone Venom beforehand.
I'm always down for more Carnage content. It's so cool to see how powerful and calculating he's becoming. He's ruthlessness will never change. Carnage at his present power level would be a problem for most entities but challenging the OP King in Black could be a problem.
Well as always that's one of the most amazing storylines of marvel tho it'll be a huge war between two kings of black and that parent-first spawn rivalry will be on cosmic level
When writers write themselves into these corners with villains and heroes with such astronomical powers, they literally only have one way out: Plot devices. So, which will it be: 1. Reed Richards uses the Ultimate Nullifier to wipe out Carnage from existence? 2. They pull out the Beyonders to fight both of them, which would make everything worse and end up doing another total retcon of the Marvel Universe? 3. They pull something else out of their bums that they use to wipe out Carnage?
The concept of anti venom is so cool, I liked the comic where he teamed up with frank castle and frank just randomly tries to kill Eddy multiple times during the team up lol
"A god, that is what I have become, that is what I always was." What if the original Carnage was just a small sliver of the true Primordial Darkness, and has to gather enough power to gain self realization and is reaching that point? Knull claims to be the primordial darkness but is not the true primordial darkness. What if carnage is? Doubtful but it would be sick if he was.
Truth is, any and all villains are aspects of Oblivion, Knulland Death included. Which is why Oblivion is beyond reproach, until we get a writer that ignores all the established history for a story, which this run basically is
So Knull has went from being an eldritch multiversal threat from before all creation that can boss pretty much anything short of abstract cosmic concepts.... now theres 1 of them per universe, so they're just another cog in the multiversal machine
Wow. This has been the most tense part of the story. Rob told it with so much passion that I thought I was on earth 463 watching it all unfold. With popcorn 🍿
The movies maybe suffering right now but damn Marvel has been killing it this year with the comics 💯, carnage and ghost rider especially, great story telling 🔥
When marvel comics are bad, they are BAD, and when they're good, I can't stop getting into the stories I enjoy. Blessing but a curse. Symbiotes are at the top rn.
The Enigma Force it's the thing what turns you into Captain Universe but it supposed to only work in the universe you are originally from if you go to a different Universe you are supposed to lose that power so want Carnage lose that power if he leaves this universe
They just used it as a plot device to explain how he was strong enough to defeat knull. Now that he is a king in black it doesn't matter if he loses the enigma force
i agree it would be pretty cool expansion on cyclops if he could open that gateway to other dimensions for optic blasts with different properties/powers
Waiting to see how they write themselves outta this one. Just hope there at least some tangible explanation to it an not some hand wavey, oh Franklin Richards turns up (with his powers) or Wanda does her standard Deus ex machina "No more Carnage" thing
This creates plot holes everywhere. Firstly, in the main marvel universe King in Black event, I thought it was determined that Knull had awareness of every symbiote across the multiverse. He was aware of the Ultimate universe venom symbiote and others. Now they are saying that he wasn’t aware of Carnage or other symbiotes across the multiverse? Secondly, and potentially greater in scope, if the Enigma Force is the antithesis counterpart to Knull/The along in Black and the Beyonders/The Lost One are the diametrically opposed counterparts to The King in Black, then the Enigma Force would have to originate from The Beyonders/The Lost One. Further, The Lost One and Knull/The King in Black are diametrically opposed counterparts. 2 equal yet opposite sides of the same coin. The symbiotes stole Knulls power and trapped him in the center of a planet comprised of symbiotes for eons. The Beyonders stole The Lost One’s power and trapped him on a moon outside the Omni-Verse. How does carnage absorb the Enigma Force if it’s the antithesis of Knull and the symbiotes? Eddie Brock had to forgo his symbiote in order to merge with the Enigma Force in the original King in Black event. Will we eventually see The King in Black battle the Lost One in some multiversal showdown? And where does the Enigma Force fit in with all this?
Okay.. but.. Eddie has already spoken to the presence or whatever it was called the omnipotent future version of himself which they have now established he becomes. ... doesn't that mean we already know carnage has to lose? Haha
If Dylan can't control other universe's symbiotes, why would Carnage be able to utilize other universe's symbiotes' power in 616? Same with Infinity Gauntlets. I enjoy this, and love Carnage, but I'm trying to make sure I didn't miss some explanation.
Wait wait I thought it was established in the beginning that Knull couldn’t actually be destroyed? It was stated because he is essentially darkness he can only ever be trapped. I know in KIB he was “killed” but surely that isn’t the actual truth? If so then what about the entire setup of his initial origin ??
Knull is not a unkillable irrepleaceable entity, he never was. However, his JOB is, his job in the cosmos as the King In Black is something that can't be destroyed. In the main Marvel universe Eddie managed to kill Knull and then became the new King In Black. Is Knull strong? Strong is an understatement, but he is not a unnalterable, unkillable entity like The Living Tribunal.
Just looking at the lineup of powers carnage gained, i dont see how eddie stands a chance. If carnage taps into the king in black abilities he will have everything eddie has as well as like the 50 powers he gained.
Carnage is on that "Revisiting the Final Boss of the Video Game after Doing all the Side Missions" grindset.
100%
This gets me thinking what if someone tried to in a way speed run the marvel universe
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.Nice.
Ok, this one won.
He’s standing there like KevinJames.jpg
Knull is one of the first newer villains in Marvel to actually catch my attention in a long while. Definitely down to see more of him.
Same partially due to how insanely powerful he is for Eddie to briefly become the first character i know of too powerful for even marvel comics to win. Since he lost his turn as Captain Universe not long after winning the fight
I'm all in on Knull and really hope they dont "Love and Thunder" the character. Star Wars is sorta doing it right lately by letting true fans produce the series like John Favreau.
@@captaincoooolFavreau works closely with Marvel too tho he just hasn't had a finger in a main project in a while. We just saw him in What If season 2 as Freak so I assume Thunderbolts and Capt America 4 New World Order are inherently better now that they have more time
I like that Knull put up a good fight and didn’t just get clapped for plot reasons. Don’t know how I feel about my latest favorite marvel villain getting so quickly power crept, but this is going to be the most insane Venom Vs Carnage story ever!!!
I feel the same way
Before Knull could get serious Carnage defeated him while his attention was focused on the venoms. Knull was going to destroy carnage.
@bervicksimien2848 In truth I feel like carnage winning against knull at all is a fluke...
@@thatonehumanthing937it isn’t really a fluke, yeah it’s true that Knull was cheap shotted by Carnage when his back was turned, but Carnage does have pieces of mjolnir as part of his biomass now and we saw what thors hammer did against knull in the main timeline.
If they fought head to head I would say that knull would still have the advantage but it would be more even than originally thought.
@f.ggaming8206 I remember what it did to knul... it irritated him. They had to throw him into the sun to even win. He couldn't be controlled at all and ur telling me a symbiote blind sided the God of symbiotes and absorbed him in a short time... after we learned so much about him and how strong he really is.... there's no chance in hell a psychopath even with the powers he had could blind side The King In Black....
It is a fun story and interesting but from an honest standpoint it definitely wouldn't happen.
Haha carnage went from “separation anxiety” to “performance anxiety” then back to “that ain’t a roll of coins in my pocket”. Love to see it.😂
Fucking hilarious can't wait for the symbiotic swinger party!!!!!!!
Carnage is a different breed of monster but that doesn't mean that Eddie isn't putting in that work either. If we thought that Carnage vs Knull was good when he meets up with the Eddie who defeats Meridius it's going to be nasty. He will probably start glowing like Bruce Leroy in the Last Dragon.
I kinda want Eddie to welcome Carnage right into a checkmate. His powers as the King in Black are essentially to influence the entire timeline organically, which allows him to subtly guide events to line up exactly as he needs them to. Reality warping from the inside, instead of forcing another reality on top of it. So their battle essentially comes down to a giant puzzle for Eddie, to find a way to defeat Carnage and pull all the strings to bring all variables together exactly when and how he needs them to.
Love the way you wrote this
This comic is doing massive retcons and I'm not sure if I really like it, Knull was very much a multiversal entity he was aware of what symbiotes were doing in other universes even to the point of controlling symbiotes that were artificial, this other Knull just appeared out of no were just so Carnage can be a King in Black but that also puts into question everything that is happening with Eddie Brock plus Carnage being able to just absorb the Enigma Force like that doesn't make sense either seeing that not even the host of the Enigma were able to keep it unless the force wanted it added to that Carnage is also pure darkness which is the opposite of the Force so it should have hurted him instead of power him up.
They just gave him the boost so he can kill knull. But technically the enigma force should stop working once he leaves its reality.
@@harikiran4339 dont you understand story matters more than consistency
Yeah these retcons are ridiculous. Almost annoying.😂It is like they can't do a story without retconning. Common use your imagination stop retconning
@@durrangodsgrief6503yeah not really
The fact that it took Carange with the power of hundreds of other beings including Mephisto, silver surfer, and enigma force just to beat an alternate Knull makes Knull even more powerful for me. P.S Caraage would have most likely lost without the enigma force.
Well Knull was being capable of waging war against Celestials and the best they could do was banish him lol the only reason the earth heroes won is because S.S carried the enigma force into earth allowing it to find its host as it would have been stuck outside the barrier Knull had around earth
Sounds like enigma force levels or higher are what you need to beat knull. Hope it stays consistent.
@@chalnervassor9430 Well Knull is equal to the Beyonder in power level. At least individually.
@@UnwantedGhost1Pre Retcon Beyond >>> TOAA
@@thesupervillanedits756lol
Whoever wrote this clearly didn't do their research. Knull himself said he's connected to every symbiote across all realities, which means his alternate reality versions still share a hivemind. Not only that, but he watered Knull and the symbiote dragons down badly. I wish writers would pay attention to the work they're following after instead of pedestaling their power fantasy. It's still an interesting story, but holy shit it doesn't make sense. "Knull is of the flesh" wtf even was that false statement? He's 100% symbiote on a higher scale. Would've been nice to see the accurate depiction of knull face off against this souped up Carnage, because even with those powers, I'm sure knull would've been molly whopping carnage's ass. And don't even get me started with the enigma force, they really fumbled the ball with what was established in the spiderverse series
and yet no one cares
@@DermotBrophy hey I get it, sometimes the story is better than the continuity. Don't get me wrong, I've been on every issue the minute they drop, and carnage and ghost rider have been giving me the fix we needed. Just wish they stuck to the established scaling and limitations, would've meant a longer battle with Knull that required more adept use of the powers carnage gained, but instead we got "two god-like entities with wide power sets settling for swinging blades at eachother"
This is why I stopped buying comics . I respect u for having an actual readers opinion
@@justanothercollector43
Same here. The inconsistency of writers following existing stories is why I've also quit. Knull's Origin says "in the beginning" but clearly there was more prior from that point since the Celestials aren't the first ones who brought life into the universe as told by Knull.
Knull is my favorite villain currently
Knull should have pulled a big brain move by traveling to all the multiverse & merge with his alternate selves. Or kill them to take their powers like Carnage did.
This is Marvel, it's only a matter of time before they run that story arc.
Basically someone is pulling a Jet Li from the One
Isn't venom the king in black. Won't there be more venom being king in black?
@@Watch-0w1 no Eddie Brock is the King in Black Dylan Brock is Venom
I really wish there wasn’t an alternative universe Knull, he was cooler when he was a single, multiversal powerhouse.
Knull is multiversal but every universe has one version of knull. They are not same. Even this version of knull was so powerful that it took carnage to have enigma force power of silver surfer and power of 100 other powerful beings to kill knull. And it's just weaker version of knull. Also carnage stabbed him from behind when knull was busy fighting others.
But knull said he's linked to every symbiote in every reality. How does he not know? Also, as king, isn't Eddie's control of symbiotes complete? How is carnage free from that? Sounds like plot armor.
According to the Wiki, Knull isn't a omnipresent entity, he doesn't exist in every reality at once. Each universe has a version of Knull.
It’s because marvel is inconsistent with story telling
This was trash. I don't see Carnage beating Knull EVER.
It's just that Plot Armor lmao
It's either bad storytelling or Carnage has become a God or Cosmic being in his own right. Either way, it's still nice to see more of him
Comic writers are so inconsistent. The way the enigma force comes off is that it chooses people. Why would it stay in Carnage? Oh and for the love of god can someone else explain to me what is cosmic awareness because in Thanos Wins I was like "Ha ha okay''. Thanos managed to backstab a person with cosmic awareness". But now they do it to Silver Surfer again in this issue. I am confused.
Carnage is strong enough to contain it within himself
It especially makes no sense since it was basically being used interchangeably with the starbrand as far as I've seen it.
Wasn't it supposed to be a universal defense system?
@@ceral1871 That makes no sense. Carnage needed it to fight Knull from another reality which means he was not as strong as Knull. The enigma force is as strong or stronger than Knull. There's no way Carnage " is strong enough to contain it within himself". The math ain't mathing.
its just.. the writing is not good
Marvel: and we shall name the god of symbiotes....... Knull.
Swedish: 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The more this story goes on, Carnage is just a plot device.
... I honestly don't think the team showing up earlier would have mattered 🤣16:22
Man the editors need to reign in these writers. The inheritors squashed captain universe Spiderman like it was nothing and then somehow enigma force Carnage can hold his own against frickin Knull, the guy who basically one shotted the Void.
He’s not just amped by enigma force. He has his own version of the god butcherer and he’s amped by his god powers he got in 2019 lol
@@ceral1871dude how come these people don’t understand that it was confirmed that the all blood was stronger than knulls necrosword?
Yes yes and yes Knull is has returned ! This Venom/Carnage video puts the biggest smile on my face !
Yesssss . The most Heavymetal Villain returns.
All Hail the Celestial Killer
All Hail the Living Abyss
All Hail the God of Darkness
All Hail Knull
I bestow upon you, the rights of my kin,
the king must fall, farewell to him.
The path that you choose must be your own,
Win or Loose ? It´s in the seeds that you´ve sewn.
Wicked in life, righteous in death,
ultimately dimised, in the final breath.
Show your strength, to the ones that you fear.
Keep your enemies close, let your friends near...
He’s about to get bodied by carnage lol don’t hype him up
@@ceral1871he is Darkness. As Long as Darkness exists Knull will always exist in some universe
Carnage sure has a ton of plot armor. He’s getting an absurd amount of love. Killing the Silver Surfer, I don’t buy it.
He once took control of SS, plus this is an insanely Amped Carnage (not your average day to day version)
If he's powerful enough to battle and kill Knull, he's sure as hell more than overqualified to kill SS
No he needed the silver surfer to get to knulls level. No way with just what had should he be able to get the silver surfer let alone a silver surfer with the enigma force.
@@dillonyeung7635he literally had a version of the necrosword
He shouldn’t have been able to take out all those venoms at the same time in his normal, weakened form. That’s a complete fuck up on their part, and I’ve already lost interest now lol.
@@Anonymous-ee7sirob explained it wrong. That’s not his normal weakened form he still has the powers of the Grendel symbiote which is one of knulls strongest dragons.
Fucking wild, I love that they made Eddie and Venom into gods and did the same to Carnage. Now I hope they do something equally as phenomenal with Toxin.
Was the venom silver surfer with the enigma force in the same universe as the knull that carnage killed? If it wasn’t then the enigma force wouldn’t work in another universe. We learned that from Spider-Man and the inheritors story
Fr tho I almost forgot about that
Same thing with other Cosmic forces and even the Infinity Stones (I think). There have been some cases where they can't/don't work in other universes.
Yeah it was the same universe
No carnage absorbed the enigma force if enigma force chose the person than if he leaves the universe the power is gone not absorbing the power enigma force is not chosen the carnage carnage absorbed the power that's way the power is not leaving carnage and the enigma force is not multiverse being in every single universe there's enigma force
@@abolfzlalidost4376No that's not how it works.
Okay so technically wouldn't this make Carnage "The King In Red"?
2:08 TBH… since childhood, Vemon has ALWAYS been my FAVORITE character.. even over Spider-Man…
But lately, I feel like there’s wayyyy too many Symbiotes in marvel comics. (Not enough in the MCU) ..
I wish they would’ve stuck with JUST Venom- Carnage
-Phage*
Riot
Scream ?? Shreek??
(forgot the 2 others names…)
And then -TOXIN!
(I was HYPED reading that comic as a kid.. with the introduction of Patrick Mulligan - Toxin)
But now. Everyone & their Mothers have a Symbiote .. 😂
❤ the video tho..
~Dr.Zeus
Honestly carnage has always been my fav villain and ive been waiting my whole life for a story like this lol
What i really want to see is Carnage finishing his power quest and finds Eddie who takes one look at him and says NOPE and just wipes Carnage out
That would be lame
@@ceral1871 it would be hilarious
@@ceral1871not necessarily
@@voidgod7178 years worth of buildup being destroyed in an instant would be lame
#18 of the current venom run implies eddie will lose and regain his power so🤷♂️
they gonna milk the "knull" as much as they could
Kind of sucks. He was interesting and then they immediately roll out another one
Yep.smh 🙄🤦🏿♂️
They watered down this knull and the symbiote dragons *drastically* for the sake of putting carnage on an even playing field with KIB, they ignored a lot of the established functions of characters and forces in this issue. And if you don't believe me, carnage saying knull is "of the flesh" should've been one of many alarm bells going off
@@dillasoul2228 the new symbiotes looked ass too. looks like power rangers plus their villains fused lol
If only Cletus Cassidy from the main Marvel universe witness Carnage now. Hopefully they'll both merge like Kenneth suggest to take on Earth-616 Eddie Brock.
As someone who has loved comics and marvel in particular for years I have to say. The ease with which they are letting the celestials get killed or beaten nowadays is ridiculous. They used to be in the upper echelons of power now they seem to just be pawns to throw at a story.
Carnage stories are always a wild ride.
On a side note, I find it funny that Eddie in the mainline, has a canon child that he and Venom made. Before Peter would ever would, that's the blessing of not being too famous or too unknown now.
When Thor Love and Thunder revealed Gorr and All Black, Venom talking about the multiverse and after Eternals showed Celestials, I was hoping they’d go back and show Knull fighting Celestials and cutting the head off to what is Knowhere. Knull could have been the new big bad with a lot of sweet build up to Thor taking him
Down in the future. So sad they ended him in one movie after such an awesome Storyline
I also feel that carnage knows Eddie is more powerful than he realize
Q: How did Carnage absorb the Enigma Force? The Enigma Force supposedly has a will of his own, and it only bonds to good guys... and its Equal in power to Knull, so if Carnage with it absorbed was on the same power level as Knull, how did he manage to overpower and absorb it in the first place?
I mostly hate the new venom lore, but I like Knull as an antagonist and big name villain in Marvel. Glad to see he'll be recurring in some way.
This is what I wanted, CARNAGE HAS WON!!! At the end of Carnage Reigns we see a piece of Cletus left alive as the Extrembiote and if it reunites with Carnage then together they'll be fully complete and more powerful.
After seeing carnage becoming a god and the new king in black plus the captain universe
Powers with many heroes powers as well it’s too much
I am starting to think meridius is the answers in order to win this battle
Notice meridius in his future ate every symbiote in his universe to gain immense
Powers
Plus with the other kings in black meridius prime Eddie Wilde tyro bedlam finnigan
Will have to merge their powers to fight a been like this
Then Eddie needs to borrow the venom symbiote Dylan bonded to venom has evolved
The venom symbiote this was meridius plan
I though meridius was the problem but he might be the answers to everything
Or Eddie can hope he can call the Eventuality to bail him out it will be a wrap for carnage
If the Eventuality gets in the mix but don’t see it happening
Let's go! Great video bro, appreciate all the quality work you give us daily.
Eddie and his future self will join forces, and Eddie will see why he needs to become MORIDEOUS. Everything is going according to his plan, if it were not, Kang, DOOM, and MORIDIOUS would have made plans to end carnage.
One theory that your Wong meridius never resurrected his original body
Prime Eddie did after that whole limbo situation split
Eddie and bedlam into two where one version bedlam beats and kills darkoth,
And return to the garden and transform into Wilde but it never happen
Bedlam and Eddie teaming up that never happen since meridius doesn’t
Have those memories
Explain why meridius is following Eddie journey when we saw him in venom 25
But Eddie is going to needs the other kings in black to beat king in black carnage
According to RUclips i got here 17 seconds after the video was posted. Nice.
7 min for me. Awesome.
This was a perfect bonkers symbiote story. I was feeling childhood excitement when seeing this. Thank you writers & Rob. Hope to see more very soon.
There needs to be a Knull that is not seasoning, for another King in Black when one needs to rise.
Isn't that Dylan?
Blessed us with a banger on my birthday! Thank you Rob!!
The fight between this Carnage and Kill in Black Eddie Brock, is going to be awesome.
I really hope they let Carnage win. Like truly win. Villains deserve to win
We live in a society
Enigma Carnage looks dope! I expect the fan art to bloom quickly!
You left out the part where Carnage not only killed but absorbed the Silver Surfer's power & abilities as well. Same with Dream Stone Venom beforehand.
Carnage might legit steamroll Eddie when there meet again. Eddie has been trying to take down Merridius this entire time and hasn't really gained much
I was screen recording Kenpachi slam up a reality warper when I got the notification
I'm always down for more Carnage content. It's so cool to see how powerful and calculating he's becoming. He's ruthlessness will never change. Carnage at his present power level would be a problem for most entities but challenging the OP King in Black could be a problem.
Well as always that's one of the most amazing storylines of marvel tho it'll be a huge war between two kings of black and that parent-first spawn rivalry will be on cosmic level
Take a shot every time Comicsexplain says ,"killed on the spot".
When writers write themselves into these corners with villains and heroes with such astronomical powers, they literally only have one way out: Plot devices. So, which will it be:
1. Reed Richards uses the Ultimate Nullifier to wipe out Carnage from existence?
2. They pull out the Beyonders to fight both of them, which would make everything worse and end up doing another total retcon of the Marvel Universe?
3. They pull something else out of their bums that they use to wipe out Carnage?
They're gonna pit him against venom who's also currently being plot wanked to this level.
The concept of anti venom is so cool, I liked the comic where he teamed up with frank castle and frank just randomly tries to kill Eddy multiple times during the team up lol
Meanwhile, in the main 616, Eddie is having a Bill & Ted adventure with Dr. Doom.
I don't think he's going to be ready for this.
"A god, that is what I have become, that is what I always was."
What if the original Carnage was just a small sliver of the true Primordial Darkness, and has to gather enough power to gain self realization and is reaching that point? Knull claims to be the primordial darkness but is not the true primordial darkness. What if carnage is? Doubtful but it would be sick if he was.
Truth is, any and all villains are aspects of Oblivion, Knulland Death included. Which is why Oblivion is beyond reproach, until we get a writer that ignores all the established history for a story, which this run basically is
So Knull has went from being an eldritch multiversal threat from before all creation that can boss pretty much anything short of abstract cosmic concepts.... now theres 1 of them per universe, so they're just another cog in the multiversal machine
Dayum son! Best comic since the original Knull story!!! "Man let me tell u sum'n!"
But what about the Uru metal armory upgrade & new host for Carnage?
Wow. This has been the most tense part of the story. Rob told it with so much passion that I thought I was on earth 463 watching it all unfold. With popcorn 🍿
The whole Venom and Carnage story is definitely the best rn! I wonder what's going on with all the Spidermen tho?
All this plot armor for carnage lol
@_ComicsExplained0thanks but keep for yourself
Nice! Badass = Anti Carnage Symbiotes!!
Rob, your cliffhangers are legendary 🤣🤣🤣
The movies maybe suffering right now but damn Marvel has been killing it this year with the comics 💯, carnage and ghost rider especially, great story telling 🔥
When marvel comics are bad, they are BAD, and when they're good, I can't stop getting into the stories I enjoy. Blessing but a curse. Symbiotes are at the top rn.
Can we get some of that good writing over here for spider-man :(
dylan just had to drop the ball
So glad they used the carnage design that’s on the cover of the first issue, the ruin scripts and all look so cool.
Carnage getting a little too Batman who laughs here.
The Enigma Force it's the thing what turns you into Captain Universe but it supposed to only work in the universe you are originally from if you go to a different Universe you are supposed to lose that power so want Carnage lose that power if he leaves this universe
They just used it as a plot device to explain how he was strong enough to defeat knull. Now that he is a king in black it doesn't matter if he loses the enigma force
@@thiccchad6690 the thing is I doubt he's going to lose it and he's also going to keep the surfboard and the power of cosmic
i agree it would be pretty cool expansion on cyclops if he could open that gateway to other dimensions for optic blasts with different properties/powers
KIB Carnage does look AMAZING
~_~
So Carage is Starkiller, got it.
Darth Carnage
That's how Klyntar evolve! Carnage is much stronger than Venom & Toxin is much stronger than Carnage!
Waiting to see how they write themselves outta this one. Just hope there at least some tangible explanation to it an not some hand wavey, oh Franklin Richards turns up (with his powers) or Wanda does her standard Deus ex machina "No more Carnage" thing
the part where carnage killed cap before he said assemble was funny
Dang bro. How are they going to do my boy Magneto like that!
Even though it might not fit. But they should have brought in Jimmy Hudson Venom who is now a poison
Bruhhhhhhhhhhh Carnage is on beastmode
WERE SO FUCKING BACK!
I love listening to your vids man. You always get me so hyped up!
You can argue Misery is already Anti-Carnage
C.J.:oh s*it here we go again.😂
This creates plot holes everywhere. Firstly, in the main marvel universe King in Black event, I thought it was determined that Knull had awareness of every symbiote across the multiverse. He was aware of the Ultimate universe venom symbiote and others. Now they are saying that he wasn’t aware of Carnage or other symbiotes across the multiverse?
Secondly, and potentially greater in scope, if the Enigma Force is the antithesis counterpart to Knull/The along in Black and the Beyonders/The Lost One are the diametrically opposed counterparts to The King in Black, then the Enigma Force would have to originate from The Beyonders/The Lost One. Further, The Lost One and Knull/The King in Black are diametrically opposed counterparts. 2 equal yet opposite sides of the same coin. The symbiotes stole Knulls power and trapped him in the center of a planet comprised of symbiotes for eons. The Beyonders stole The Lost One’s power and trapped him on a moon outside the Omni-Verse. How does carnage absorb the Enigma Force if it’s the antithesis of Knull and the symbiotes? Eddie Brock had to forgo his symbiote in order to merge with the Enigma Force in the original King in Black event. Will we eventually see The King in Black battle the Lost One in some multiversal showdown? And where does the Enigma Force fit in with all this?
@dm_ComicsExplained Sent you a text as instructed bud, thanx!
God damn Carnage became omega level
Finally Knull ins't a malnourished guy anymore
He got humbled
Okay.. but.. Eddie has already spoken to the presence or whatever it was called the omnipotent future version of himself which they have now established he becomes.
... doesn't that mean we already know carnage has to lose? Haha
If Dylan can't control other universe's symbiotes, why would Carnage be able to utilize other universe's symbiotes' power in 616? Same with Infinity Gauntlets. I enjoy this, and love Carnage, but I'm trying to make sure I didn't miss some explanation.
Pretty sure because Carnage has no host at the moment has something to do with it?
Wait wait I thought it was established in the beginning that Knull couldn’t actually be destroyed? It was stated because he is essentially darkness he can only ever be trapped. I know in KIB he was “killed” but surely that isn’t the actual truth? If so then what about the entire setup of his initial origin ??
That's exactly what I was thinking. People always said he was killed in the sun when he has been shown to be a yin to creation's yang
that’s exactly what i’m thinking. yin to the yang and all that
Knull is not a unkillable irrepleaceable entity, he never was. However, his JOB is, his job in the cosmos as the King In Black is something that can't be destroyed. In the main Marvel universe Eddie managed to kill Knull and then became the new King In Black. Is Knull strong? Strong is an understatement, but he is not a unnalterable, unkillable entity like The Living Tribunal.
@@guatavocruzmarques4125the beyonders have left the chat
@@guatavocruzmarques4125 living tribunal has been offed many times.
With knull he will exist everywhere because he is an aspect of oblivion only one who have one self are abstracts
The Marvel cosmic hierarchy is getting really out of hand.
It's because they keep killing the established cosmic entities to prop up new threats. Hell, most of the old ones are dead rn
Really hope they don’t water Knull down and clip his power.
He should never even be powerful enough to control celestials in the first place. Thats not how he was originally created.
I have bad news
My god I've been watching rob for 6 year and this is the 1st video I've watched in 6+ months
darn, i liked when knull was just 1 entity across all the multiverses(iirc)
I smell Carnage KiB costume for Marvel Future fight
Just looking at the lineup of powers carnage gained, i dont see how eddie stands a chance. If carnage taps into the king in black abilities he will have everything eddie has as well as like the 50 powers he gained.
its prolly going to come down to whatever the plot device his final hand form can do
Can't wait for venom beyond vs carnage beyond with defenders beyond and the MAKER
We boutta see Eddie ragdolled and baby shaked to death.
This story is amazing. I cannot wait to see where this goes!