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just a heads up for some folks, you still need a load center (breaker box) and outlets sorted out. Seems obvious, but some folks forget that part. I have the 3 battery rack. This is a nice system, I probably would have purchased it if it was available at the time I built mine. BTW, thank you Will for your videos, because without you, I wouldn't have ever been able to get off grid.
Same here. If it wasn't for Will, I would not have known what to get. I am an electrical engineer so power and wiring is not a problem. I had no idea of the products available or which ones were good and which ones were not. When I got into it, there were not any AIO units. My upgrades include a MPP LV6538 and a Growatt 2424. However, I have had plenty of terrible bad luck with 280A-hr battery suppliers. This unit is a dream come true. Thx a zillion Mr. Prowse!
Is there such a thing as a whole home automatic transfer switch? I see plenty of the manual switches to switch from a your solar or generator over to mains AC, as well as small units like what Will demos in older videos but does anyone make such a thing that can switch a whole sub-panel via a relay and be controlled remotely and isn't proprietary? Wouldn't such a system still be "off-grid" since it's not back feeding the grid? This is the part I'm struggling so much with when trying to design an off grid setup that can automatically fall back a set of circuits to mains power when the batteries deplete to a certain point.
"However, I have had plenty of terrible bad luck with 280A-hr battery suppliers." Thank you I was contemplating to get 280-320Ah cells but now i have to do better due diligence! Anyone knows quality supplier?
I love watching your videos! Your enthusiasm and the amazing rate of change in the industry has me excited!! I bought some used solar panels from Santan Solar and need to save and buy the other fun trinkets to get my system going. My neighbor can't believe I want this because we have had 5 straight days of clouds. If it pays my a.c. bill in the summer, I am happy.
I suppose one positive for waiting to pull the trigger on a system is that they keep coming out with better bang for the buck options! I was hard set on a racked setup now has me thinking otherwise.
Yes!! Same here, will probably pull the trigger on an EG43000 & this battery with tax $ early next year. Hope something doesn't come out right after cheaper/better. 😄
Get your hands on an engine lift to help pick it up. They are on wheels and the battery is within it’s weight class with the boom extended. Because we don’t want you injured. 😊
@@TravelingStacker i know but it doesn’t go high enough to work he will need to pick it up also to put on the hydraulic lift. With the engine lift it can right off the floor or out of the box.
Finally getting close to setting up my first state and this looks like what I’ll need. Mainly enough to run my freezers and fridge with extra in case of emergency
Hey, Terry 👋 I'm working in Vegas, and I just bought a van to live in. Would you happen to know of some good places to check out solar stuff (or van stuff) in person, here? Also, let me know if you want to get a drink or lunch. I have Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. I work Union in solar, too.
@@__WJK__ I am just in a medium sprinter van. So, this seemed like overkill, since Will ran a 400W window ac with a little Bluetti. Still, I was wondering the same as you. 300 pounds, just to get started, though... At any rate, I wonder if you might be able to recommend any particular videos either on this channel, or a fb group or something for stuff like this, specifically, please(?)
I didn't realize how quiet that 18KPV was until watching this. I've installed my power station in my garage and ran power lines to the other side of the house to avoid the noise.
Outstanding. Do YOu know what would be great a wiring diagram showing the I/Os of the two units' features and how the 220v split phase would be wired up?
I would pay someone who would consult with me on how to add a bunch of solar panels to charge this.. and then how to use this to power my EV and a tv/starlink. Seems perfect for my tiny off grid home/ev charger station
Indeed. Best bang for the buck, clean look, and simplicity. First time I learned seen of server rack batteries, I wished they were configured for higher capacity.
@@powerwall Thanks, even the price is not far from each other! I'd probably take this Jakiper for most rooms. The EG4 looks perfect in a garage or narrow room or narrow pathways.
Thanks Will. This is a ***tiny*** premium over a "one hundred percent do-it-yourself" inverter + battery setup build. It is almost plug-and-play and even I am considering setting one of these up to act as a "generator" for hurricane season. When not using it for "backup" I can use it to power a mini-split or two and my server room and outdoor cooking area. This would ***completely*** eliminate the need to purchase and store gasoline or LPG for my current generator. AGAIN I am stressing the fact that my current generator sits fallow as a BACKUP measure for hurricane season. It was a good investment (6kW dual-fuel gas/propane) and provides peace of mind but if not utilized I STILL need to maintain it and the fuel supply. A solar/battery solution would provide daily use as well as backup. Adding two mini-splits (DIY install again thanks will! :) )would reduce my current electrical usage for cooling and that would provide an amortization path that is not currently available. THANKS WILL!
I notice the temps in Nevada are record-setting. I believe that solar panels are more efficient when they’re cooler. So you have some way to measure the efficiency of you panels now v. this winter when we’re cooler. dangerously hot conditions are being forecast for central Las Vegas with highs ranging from 108 F (47.7 C) on Tuesday and 111 F (43.8 C) on Wednesday. Las Vegas reached 111 F (43.8 C) last Thursday and 110 F (43.3 C) last Friday
Complete Nube here. I love your videos and greatly appreciate you putting together the forum. Between the two I am a lot more confident in trying to lay out my 'dream' system and how to plan it in stages. Thank you.
I keep trying to convince people to get small,scalable solar instead of or at least before buying a generator. I recommend buying used solar panels to get started even though the price of new ones is just as cost effective.
This setup is really nice but it still is easier to get started with a EG4 3k and LiFePo battery. When those of us who live on Social Security can save up for the system in this video,we still can use the smaller, cheaper version for a portable power supply. It’s part of my “go-bag “ for SHTF. Thanks Will and Signature Solar for responding to the needs of us who are learning and preparing!
Scalable aint kidding, if I read the literature right that maxes out at 30 batteries and 10 inverters for 120k output, 426 kWh of storage and 180,000 watts of solar. It’s possible to produce a megawatt of power a day with this system. No idea how that would work. The amps would be insane.
Thanks Wil. Believe it or not, you were the one that got me into solar almost a decade ago and i keep coming back too you. You made it look easy (lol its not exactly that easy but is doable) and you helped start my long research and development of my own solar system. I'm very serious about getting the 2 and the combo box. I'm betting you have already told this but how loud are these invertors?
If I had not already bought 2 LiFePOwer4 batteries for my shop system, I would have gone this route. Even without solar panels, I can work in my shop, running skill saws, air compressor, drills, and other power tools for a week before going from 4 bar level to 2 bar level. Then it's just a couple of hours on the generator to bring it back to full charge.
Will you did a outstanding job ! 😊 the whole unit an EG4 is such a nice big capacity in a smaller unit . An the whole thing makes me want to get a EG4 charge control an inverter an the battery unit for my shed to keep my landscapeing buisness running good for winter an summer . An I run off from lots of battery packs for tools . Just wished they made lipo4 batteries for tools . Lithium ion is nice an lasts for a bit but lipo4 has more life an pros . Just only cons of being a landscapeing buisness that runs off battery packs is degradation. Over heating do to hot days on sights making it take more hours for a few jobs. Winter time batteries go in to freeze mode an take hrs to warm up to safely charge to get the snow blower clearing parking lots an lands during winter . So my strategy is more batteries an a self heated solar generator . An a backup generator that runs on gass .an slowly harden the businesses structures to keep it solid through anything . I can picture folks using a unit to power ac .or heating . An some might use 1 for such an another for appliances. A shed .shop .backup power . It's pretty cool 😄 keep up the awesome work brother .
Can you show a step by step video of setting up the hybrid solar charge controller - inverter? I would like to see what are the voltages that you use for boost and float values for proper operation for an off grid PV system. Aloha from Hawaii
Love your videos! Have you done any videos about through the wall combiner boxes? I just purchased an ecoflow delta2 "thanks for that video " with a portable solar panel and would like to connect them without going through a window. Second question, connecting 3 solar arrays facing different directions and keeping the watts,voltage and amps within range through a whole day? Thank you for your time! Any information or videos would be greatly appreciated.
Are you going to tear this one apart for us and give us your honest opinion like you have with so many others? I hope you do im strongly considering buying these for my summer project next year!
Yeah I just got these yesterday lol I always test them before tear downs. Not sure how to open this one yet because it's weatherproof but I'll find out what's inside
That battery is probably what I'm going to go with! Is there a reason not to go with the EG4 6000EX-48HV 240v split phase inverter that seems to be the same price as the 120v? Is it just a capacity reason as to why you would buy 2 of the 120v?
Well mine was only $300 or so using 300 watt dirty inverter, 2 100w panels and the cheap crappy PWM controller along with a Nermak 50Ah battery... But it's enough to recharge my lawn equipment batteries and be able to do my lawn maintenance on solar (2x 7.5Ah and 2x 2.5Ah charges) with plenty of power leftover to run a HAM radio and charge 4 phones and 4-6 Kindles and anything else I can find to charge...Really wanna get a cheap MPPT to stop wasting almost half my panel power due to voltage loss of PWM...
I bought eg4's 2ton hybrid a/c as I am in California and my existing nem 2.0 does not allow solar expansion, so you can use the hybrid solution to bypass this b.s. If EG4 can get their stuff together on the precharge issues on the batteries and square away the software deficiencies as well as the UL9450A certs (well documented and many people bitching on the forums), they will dominate. The handwriting is on the wall. Years ago I worked for a competing company against a small company called ubitquity networks who had 10 employees but kept coming out with the most feature rich cheap solutions for last mile wireless. I saw them take off, go public in a few years and they still pretty much blow everyone else out of the water in that space 15 years later. That is eg4. Get some stock in that company if you can.
It may be cheap, but the downside to the 6500s are there big energy burn doing nothing. A week of cold, cloudy, miserable weather will ensure the stored battery energy is gone long before the week is done. The 18kPV is far more efficient.
HUMIDITY, I'm in north central Florida area and I'd like to put a system like this or similar on the river for occasional use, it would be in a utility trailer & experience the Florida humidity, is it a must for these things to be in an environment of ______ amount of humidity or less to function and survive??
Hey Will i was wondering since this all in one inverters are so power houngy, is the unit itself draw any measurable amount of energy with the inverter off?
Hello, I love your channel. I have a similar unit 9.2 Kw 52V. The batteries are fully charged, but The big relay safety breaker is open. Do I need to do something to the CAN port? I do not have any manual. I have found that I have two bad 12V 200 Amp gel sealed batteries in series with two good ones, that are lowering my discharge voltage and shutting down my inverter that I am presently using. My good friend Harry gave me these two 9.2 Kwh battery packs. I would not really want to bypass the big relay, as I guess it is a safety device.I am measuring 52.2V going into the relay, but not passing through. Thanks! Bill in Wall Twp, NJ
@Will: I have watched many of your videos with great interest and appreciation over the past year or so. The testing that you have done, and undoubtedly will continue to do, will be a standard that many people follow when they decide which particular components to buy for their system. For that I thank you, as you are really helping a lot of people. Please note that I am the furthest thing from being an expert in electrical science, and I have never assembled a solar system before. Like many people, I am looking to assemble a relatively simple back-up power system for limited use during electrical outages, or for portable power in case I am away from home on vacation and need a power source. I would greatly appreciate a video in which you assembled a very simple system, using a 100 amp or 200 amp, 12 V lithium phosphate battery, with an appropriately-sized sine wave inverter and some solar cells. Anybody can buy a plug-in solar generator for $1500 or $2000, but that seems like an awful waste of money if you can simply assemble the appropriate components yourself for roughly half the price. Given your expertise, it should not be a very long video, and you could explain the basic principles of how the system works, so that the average person could understand how to build such systems. Perhaps you could also explain the difference between series and parallel, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of each, and exactly how to assemble each of those types of systems. Thanks!
@@powerwall yes. First, you can probably assemble a system with twice as much capacity for the same price. Second, there is a sense of accomplishment and you actually learn something.
I recommend you to anyone I ever hear mention solar. This is the set up I want. Any recommendations for what an installer would charge? I live in north texas.
It was rough, but with thirty seconds of web searching, I have an answer. Two batteries have a depth of 19.8 inches and are 35 inches tall. The rack is 26 inches deep and 48 inches tall. So it would take three batteries to match the rack in size, not two.
briefly how do you do you this setup /system on-grid and connect to a transfer switch if my city power goes out? And would it be expandable THANK YOU - great videos by the way
I'm designing my first off-grid system. Will this still be the best way to go for a budget friendly and easy to set up? I was thinking of using the Aptos panels that you recently posted about
You mentioned standby or energy usage of 'all in one' inverters... I'm a newbie, planning my first system for my fixer upper house. So a few questions... An all in one inverter, are they also battery controllers, so therefore I can't shut the inverter off to save energy? Can I ever shut off the all in one inverter? I'm trying to buy an inverter that is easy to install with lithium FPO4 batteries, is decent quality, and doesnt waste energy, and is fairly affordable. Looking at 5kw use per day to start. I have done my own 200amp upgrade, so will use thick guage wiring, to connect batteries, inverter, etc together. Thanks! 2:18 Aurora in Maine
@@WillProwse Do you have any recent videos that pertain to solar for a van, please? I would love something as streamlined as what you're showing, but - idk, what do you think? Half of this size still looks physically more than enough(?), after I saw your Bluetti run a window ac.
Don't know the best place to ask this, but interested in a dedicated time-shift (time-of-day billing) system that can ALSO function as a grid down. I have gear now that sort of works (UTS-6H + AC300 [+ isolation transformer]) but has minor issues/annoyances. Too complicated to explain in a post, but the AC300 power output isn't great for grid down (or artificial grid down to provide time-shift) as the output fluctuates a bit too much and the AC300 output requires 100% isolation from the input. Long story short, looking for an all in one inverter charger that doesn't require the neutrals (input and output) to be isolated. If you are confused, I don't know how to reach out and further explain this rather weird edge case. I even made contact with the AC300 engineers to explain how the UTS-6H works and determined a work-around (isolation transformer).
There is an external rapid shutdown switch for the batteries. Overcurrent protection is built into each pack. No the all-in-one or 18K has a built-in MPPT.
I purchased two 6500EX's when they first came out (18-24 months ago?) with the intentions of building a complete system. At that time, I also purchased four EG4 48v/100ah server rack batteries and 8kw of solar panels, all from Signature Solar. As life happens, all of these components are still in the unopened boxes and have simply been occupying a corner of my garage. So, as life continues to happen, I'm just now able to tackle the project. It appears that Signature Solar no longer carries these and I'm guessing that these models had problems or are simply antiquated now? Any advice, updates, or guidance would be greatly appreciated before I start building my system? Thanks in advance for any help
Can you run a small 12VDC resistive heater circuit and thermostat in the battery case for year-round fulltime RV use? We travel around the continent, and have spent the last 3 winters being snowed upon in the NE US - at temps that make LiFePO battery use a non-starter because they don't like freezing ambient temps.
I'd like to do this with a generator INSTEAD of solar for emergency backup (1 week of power). Is there a less expensive inverter I could use? Also, can the battery be charged with a battery charger via the generator?
@WillProwse - hey Will. Do you think you could do something on a micro-inverter system? Interested in methods of using micros with a near grid system. Not the average grid tie setup. Capable of running grid down and battery support. Maybe it would be interesting for you too. Something new to talk about. Thanks
ive been looking at getting 20 tesla model s modules. overkill solar makes a nice bms kit but itll be like 4k for 20. i just found bpath energy Battery module controller XL that can hook like 26 modules together for 1500 bucks. in theory this sounds good but ive never seen this before. It might make a cool video. I would be curious to see more about it.
I agree. If you are going to use them build an outdoor enclosure far away from anything else. The symo inverters @ 400v are interesting because they can use the batteries almost as-is with a hacked bms and not cracking the case, but you really only want to do 60-70% DOD on these anyways. (Model S owner here)@@WillProwse
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Don't think anything that includes lithium is budget friendly not in the UK anyway
How well would this work with the EG4 3000EHV?
I have a 7.2kw solar system attached to the grid. Would that be all I need to get off grid? How much is that system?
OP48V230 11.776Kwh
Can you suggest an equally friendly panel array that would make sense for this setup?
One of the most enjoyable youtubers to watch. Honest, to the point and humble. Passionate too.
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Thank you Will for thinking of us who are not as adventurous minded with battery back up 🎈
just a heads up for some folks, you still need a load center (breaker box) and outlets sorted out. Seems obvious, but some folks forget that part. I have the 3 battery rack. This is a nice system, I probably would have purchased it if it was available at the time I built mine. BTW, thank you Will for your videos, because without you, I wouldn't have ever been able to get off grid.
Very helpful
Same here. If it wasn't for Will, I would not have known what to get.
I am an electrical engineer so power and wiring is not a problem.
I had no idea of the products available or which ones were good and which ones were not.
When I got into it, there were not any AIO units.
My upgrades include a MPP LV6538 and a Growatt 2424.
However, I have had plenty of terrible bad luck with 280A-hr battery suppliers.
This unit is a dream come true.
Thx a zillion Mr. Prowse!
Is there such a thing as a whole home automatic transfer switch? I see plenty of the manual switches to switch from a your solar or generator over to mains AC, as well as small units like what Will demos in older videos but does anyone make such a thing that can switch a whole sub-panel via a relay and be controlled remotely and isn't proprietary?
Wouldn't such a system still be "off-grid" since it's not back feeding the grid?
This is the part I'm struggling so much with when trying to design an off grid setup that can automatically fall back a set of circuits to mains power when the batteries deplete to a certain point.
"because without you, I wouldn't have ever been able to get off grid." Great job Will and you !!
"However, I have had plenty of terrible bad luck with 280A-hr battery suppliers." Thank you I was contemplating to get 280-320Ah cells but now i have to do better due diligence! Anyone knows quality supplier?
Yeah that is a cool advantage to the new batteries. Slim form factor. Makes it a nice looking setup.
I love watching your videos! Your enthusiasm and the amazing rate of change in the industry has me excited!! I bought some used solar panels from Santan Solar and need to save and buy the other fun trinkets to get my system going. My neighbor can't believe I want this because we have had 5 straight days of clouds. If it pays my a.c. bill in the summer, I am happy.
I suppose one positive for waiting to pull the trigger on a system is that they keep coming out with better bang for the buck options! I was hard set on a racked setup now has me thinking otherwise.
Yes!! Same here, will probably pull the trigger on an EG43000 & this battery with tax $ early next year. Hope something doesn't come out right after cheaper/better. 😄
Yeah. That's really sweet. Build it out another layer please!
Yes
Get your hands on an engine lift to help pick it up. They are on wheels and the battery is within it’s weight class with the boom extended. Because we don’t want you injured. 😊
Better would be a genie lift hand truck.
Flat foot like a hand truck, and a hand crank to raise into position.
308 lbs aint light
He just needs a lot of protein shakes and workouts.
Arnold could lift that with one arm and screw it to the wall with the other.
He has a hydraulic lift that has been in a lot of videos.
@@TravelingStacker i know but it doesn’t go high enough to work he will need to pick it up also to put on the hydraulic lift.
With the engine lift it can right off the floor or out of the box.
Finally getting close to setting up my first state and this looks like what I’ll need. Mainly enough to run my freezers and fridge with extra in case of emergency
Double banger in one day 🙌🏽
Hey Will good job.
I live in Vegas too. All lower priced systems are a benefit to know.
Hey, Terry 👋 I'm working in Vegas, and I just bought a van to live in. Would you happen to know of some good places to check out solar stuff (or van stuff) in person, here?
Also, let me know if you want to get a drink or lunch. I have Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. I work Union in solar, too.
This could be a great system for a food truck!
Or motorhome!
@@__WJK__ I am just in a medium sprinter van. So, this seemed like overkill, since Will ran a 400W window ac with a little Bluetti.
Still, I was wondering the same as you. 300 pounds, just to get started, though...
At any rate, I wonder if you might be able to recommend any particular videos either on this channel, or a fb group or something for stuff like this, specifically, please(?)
Will working hard lately great job
lol Not only posting two videos in one day, but also lugging that heavy battery all around the shop.
I didn't realize how quiet that 18KPV was until watching this.
I've installed my power station in my garage and ran power lines to the other side of the house to avoid the noise.
Man it is a night and day difference. I cant stand the sound of 6500ex versus 18K. but I know people prefer budget options
I have 2x 6500EXs and and I'm going to upgrade to the 18k, and one of the reasons is the insane noise reduction. These 6500EXs are LOUD.
@@zaibervaireus How about your 6500EXs, you will still use them or keep them at the corner?
@@powerwall I might sell them or I might turn them into UPSs for other people to use as backup power, since the grid is highly unstable here in PR.
@@zaibervaireus Great Plan
Outstanding. Do YOu know what would be great a wiring diagram showing the I/Os of the two units' features and how the 220v split phase would be wired up?
I would pay someone who would consult with me on how to add a bunch of solar panels to charge this.. and then how to use this to power my EV and a tv/starlink. Seems perfect for my tiny off grid home/ev charger station
Good stuff, Will. Thanks for the demonstration and information.
Indeed. Best bang for the buck, clean look, and simplicity. First time I learned seen of server rack batteries, I wished they were configured for higher capacity.
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@@powerwall Thanks, even the price is not far from each other! I'd probably take this Jakiper for most rooms. The EG4 looks perfect in a garage or narrow room or narrow pathways.
Thanks Will.
This is a ***tiny*** premium over a "one hundred percent do-it-yourself" inverter + battery setup build.
It is almost plug-and-play and even I am considering setting one of these up to act as a "generator" for hurricane season. When not using it for "backup" I can use it to power a mini-split or two and my server room and outdoor cooking area. This would ***completely*** eliminate the need to purchase and store gasoline or LPG for my current generator. AGAIN I am stressing the fact that my current generator sits fallow as a BACKUP measure for hurricane season. It was a good investment (6kW dual-fuel gas/propane) and provides peace of mind but if not utilized I STILL need to maintain it and the fuel supply. A solar/battery solution would provide daily use as well as backup. Adding two mini-splits (DIY install again thanks will! :) )would reduce my current electrical usage for cooling and that would provide an amortization path that is not currently available.
THANKS WILL!
I notice the temps in Nevada are record-setting. I believe that solar panels are more efficient when they’re cooler. So you have some way to measure the efficiency of you panels now v. this winter when we’re cooler.
dangerously hot conditions are being forecast for central Las Vegas with highs ranging from 108 F (47.7 C) on Tuesday and 111 F (43.8 C) on Wednesday.
Las Vegas reached 111 F (43.8 C) last Thursday and 110 F (43.3 C) last Friday
Complete Nube here. I love your videos and greatly appreciate you putting together the forum. Between the two I am a lot more confident in trying to lay out my 'dream' system and how to plan it in stages. Thank you.
I keep trying to convince people to get small,scalable solar instead of or at least before buying a generator.
I recommend buying used solar panels to get started even though the price of new ones is just as cost effective.
This setup is really nice but it still is easier to get started with a EG4 3k and LiFePo battery.
When those of us who live on Social Security can save up for the system in this video,we still can use the smaller, cheaper version for a portable power supply. It’s part of my “go-bag “ for SHTF.
Thanks Will and Signature Solar for responding to the needs of us who are learning and preparing!
For solar panels, used and new is not big difference. 100% agree with you.
Because my generator can run 24 hours a day for weeks and run my entire house and shop. My house is also surrounded by trees.
Excellent work! Please keep providing us with these gifts.
I think on system like this for second on my home... to run other charge... very nice
The gutter is a great idea!! Nice work!
Scalable aint kidding, if I read the literature right that maxes out at 30 batteries and 10 inverters for 120k output, 426 kWh of storage and 180,000 watts of solar. It’s possible to produce a megawatt of power a day with this system. No idea how that would work. The amps would be insane.
I am so happy to find your channel.
Nice to hear about a budget system. You could have included the actual current price of these components to bebeven better. Thanks!
Thanks Wil. Believe it or not, you were the one that got me into solar almost a decade ago and i keep coming back too you. You made it look easy (lol its not exactly that easy but is doable) and you helped start my long research and development of my own solar system. I'm very serious about getting the 2 and the combo box. I'm betting you have already told this but how loud are these invertors?
I find all your videos to be very helpful thank you for sharing this with us six stars
Nice! EG4 is killing it!
If I had not already bought 2 LiFePOwer4 batteries for my shop system, I would have gone this route. Even without solar panels, I can work in my shop, running skill saws, air compressor, drills, and other power tools for a week before going from 4 bar level to 2 bar level. Then it's just a couple of hours on the generator to bring it back to full charge.
Now that is a nice setup right there.i was thinking the server racks where the best setup.not anymore
Did I miss where you priced the whole system?
That combi is awesome! I wish they sell this in Spain too, locally.
Will you did a outstanding job ! 😊 the whole unit an EG4 is such a nice big capacity in a smaller unit . An the whole thing makes me want to get a EG4 charge control an inverter an the battery unit for my shed to keep my landscapeing buisness running good for winter an summer . An I run off from lots of battery packs for tools . Just wished they made lipo4 batteries for tools . Lithium ion is nice an lasts for a bit but lipo4 has more life an pros . Just only cons of being a landscapeing buisness that runs off battery packs is degradation. Over heating do to hot days on sights making it take more hours for a few jobs. Winter time batteries go in to freeze mode an take hrs to warm up to safely charge to get the snow blower clearing parking lots an lands during winter . So my strategy is more batteries an a self heated solar generator . An a backup generator that runs on gass .an slowly harden the businesses structures to keep it solid through anything . I can picture folks using a unit to power ac .or heating . An some might use 1 for such an another for appliances. A shed .shop .backup power . It's pretty cool 😄 keep up the awesome work brother .
It would be nice if that inverter was grid friendly. I could get two of them for about 1/2 the cost of the 18K
It can charge off the grid on it's own.
@@s9josh778 I meant export to the grid.
@@coreyg3228 I know. I wanted that feature too before getting the 6500ex, but never missed it. I kinda prefer the simpler system now too.
@@s9josh778 and less government hassle.
Thanks for the update!!!
300lbs wow would have to have the Kids come home for the weekend to do that
I wish I had had that when I built my system 😢
tech improvements as i procrastinate, more reason to get it done later 😂
Can you show a step by step video of setting up the hybrid solar charge controller - inverter? I would like to see what are the voltages that you use for boost and float values for proper operation for an off grid PV system. Aloha from Hawaii
Love your videos! Have you done any videos about through the wall combiner boxes? I just purchased an ecoflow delta2 "thanks for that video " with a portable solar panel and would like to connect them without going through a window. Second question, connecting 3 solar arrays facing different directions and keeping the watts,voltage and amps within range through a whole day? Thank you for your time! Any information or videos would be greatly appreciated.
More bugetie items please.
Are you going to tear this one apart for us and give us your honest opinion like you have with so many others?
I hope you do im strongly considering buying these for my summer project next year!
Expect to see that.
Yeah I just got these yesterday lol I always test them before tear downs. Not sure how to open this one yet because it's weatherproof but I'll find out what's inside
@@WillProwse Fair enough my friend, I am looking forward to that video lol
That battery is probably what I'm going to go with! Is there a reason not to go with the EG4 6000EX-48HV 240v split phase inverter that seems to be the same price as the 120v? Is it just a capacity reason as to why you would buy 2 of the 120v?
6000ex is harder to run a 120v building because you can only do 3000 watts per line.
buy 2 LV6548, you can get 120V single phase, and 240V split phases. if you need use both 120V and 240V
Well mine was only $300 or so using 300 watt dirty inverter, 2 100w panels and the cheap crappy PWM controller along with a Nermak 50Ah battery... But it's enough to recharge my lawn equipment batteries and be able to do my lawn maintenance on solar (2x 7.5Ah and 2x 2.5Ah charges) with plenty of power leftover to run a HAM radio and charge 4 phones and 4-6 Kindles and anything else I can find to charge...Really wanna get a cheap MPPT to stop wasting almost half my panel power due to voltage loss of PWM...
I bought eg4's 2ton hybrid a/c as I am in California and my existing nem 2.0 does not allow solar expansion, so you can use the hybrid solution to bypass this b.s. If EG4 can get their stuff together on the precharge issues on the batteries and square away the software deficiencies as well as the UL9450A certs (well documented and many people bitching on the forums), they will dominate. The handwriting is on the wall. Years ago I worked for a competing company against a small company called ubitquity networks who had 10 employees but kept coming out with the most feature rich cheap solutions for last mile wireless. I saw them take off, go public in a few years and they still pretty much blow everyone else out of the water in that space 15 years later. That is eg4. Get some stock in that company if you can.
It may be cheap, but the downside to the 6500s are there big energy burn doing nothing. A week of cold, cloudy, miserable weather will ensure the stored battery energy is gone long before the week is done. The 18kPV is far more efficient.
LV6548 is cheaper to start with. What you think？
Yeahhh. 18K does cost more but it's hard to go back to 6500ex after you try the 18K. Better in so many ways
@@WillProwse That make sense
Will, Can you provide a how-to quick guide or video for this setup?
HUMIDITY, I'm in north central Florida area and I'd like to put a system like this or similar on the river for occasional use, it would be in a utility trailer & experience the Florida humidity, is it a must for these things to be in an environment of ______ amount of humidity or less to function and survive??
Truly amazing to be at this point with solar. It would be nice to have an anergy storage solution that doesn't involve mining.
Mining? Without mining?!
Where you gonna get materials? Outer space?!
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Actually, mining asteroids has been the premise for more than a few sci-fi stories. I imagine it isn't so far fetched.
SHENZEN BASEN HAS 280AH 51V KIT SAME SPECS 2196 SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR
Wow, wonder how it compares!?
Nice, with leveling casters too! Lifepo4 Powerwall 3 take note, saw it here first
Nice concise informative video - thx.
Hey Will i was wondering since this all in one inverters are so power houngy, is the unit itself draw any measurable amount of energy with the inverter off?
Why not mention the total cost Will? Is that battery almost four thousand dollars by itself?
Hello, I love your channel. I have a similar unit 9.2 Kw 52V. The batteries are fully charged, but The big relay safety breaker is open. Do I need to do something to the CAN port? I do not have any manual. I have found that I have two bad 12V 200 Amp gel sealed batteries in series with two good ones, that are lowering my discharge voltage and shutting down my inverter that I am presently using. My good friend Harry gave me these two 9.2 Kwh battery packs. I would not really want to bypass the big relay, as I guess it is a safety device.I am measuring 52.2V going into the relay, but not passing through. Thanks! Bill in Wall Twp, NJ
@Will: I have watched many of your videos with great interest and appreciation over the past year or so. The testing that you have done, and undoubtedly will continue to do, will be a standard that many people follow when they decide which particular components to buy for their system. For that I thank you, as you are really helping a lot of people.
Please note that I am the furthest thing from being an expert in electrical science, and I have never assembled a solar system before. Like many people, I am looking to assemble a relatively simple back-up power system for limited use during electrical outages, or for portable power in case I am away from home on vacation and need a power source. I would greatly appreciate a video in which you assembled a very simple system, using a 100 amp or 200 amp, 12 V lithium phosphate battery, with an appropriately-sized sine wave inverter and some solar cells. Anybody can buy a plug-in solar generator for $1500 or $2000, but that seems like an awful waste of money if you can simply assemble the appropriate components yourself for roughly half the price. Given your expertise, it should not be a very long video, and you could explain the basic principles of how the system works, so that the average person could understand how to build such systems. Perhaps you could also explain the difference between series and parallel, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of each, and exactly how to assemble each of those types of systems. Thanks!
Prefer DIY?
@@powerwall yes. First, you can probably assemble a system with twice as much capacity for the same price. Second, there is a sense of accomplishment and you actually learn something.
Will has older videos on just those subjects. I recommend watching them.
Can't find either of these now. All the links go to either the 6000 not the 6500, and the battery link just goes to the main page.
My Anker 767 isn’t big enough to handle the starting watt load of my well pump 🙄. Maybe this will be big enough?
This should. The 6500EX can run my car lift. It is the smallest inverter that can pull that surge actually
I am a bit jealous of your good prices in the states for these systems, its very expensive in Norway 😞
Seems like a video featuring "budget friendly" would include the costs. Can you quote ballpark?
Do remember there code as how far off ground. I believe it 6 inch. But I rather do 1 foot
I recommend you to anyone I ever hear mention solar. This is the set up I want. Any recommendations for what an installer would charge? I live in north texas.
Nice job
"Build a system in seconds". lol. You sound like me with the over exaggerations :)
Is the eg4 rated for outdoor use?
Seplos has a vertical battery like that on wheels, same capacity, but cheaper at $3000.
Hello; can't figure out how to buy, what to buy, nor how to put this together. Admitted newbie but eager to try!
Hello Will. Thanks for all your work you do. May I ask what brand your shirt is?
Battery teardown please! Would two packs match the form factor of one 6x rack?
It was rough, but with thirty seconds of web searching, I have an answer. Two batteries have a depth of 19.8 inches and are 35 inches tall. The rack is 26 inches deep and 48 inches tall. So it would take three batteries to match the rack in size, not two.
briefly how do you do you this setup /system on-grid and connect to a transfer switch if my city power goes out? And would it be expandable THANK YOU - great videos by the way
I'm designing my first off-grid system. Will this still be the best way to go for a budget friendly and easy to set up? I was thinking of using the Aptos panels that you recently posted about
You mentioned standby or energy usage of 'all in one' inverters... I'm a newbie, planning my first system for my fixer upper house. So a few questions...
An all in one inverter, are they also battery controllers, so therefore I can't shut the inverter off to save energy? Can I ever shut off the all in one inverter?
I'm trying to buy an inverter that is easy to install with lithium FPO4 batteries, is decent quality, and doesnt waste energy, and is fairly affordable. Looking at 5kw use per day to start.
I have done my own 200amp upgrade, so will use thick guage wiring, to connect batteries, inverter, etc together.
Thanks! 2:18
Aurora in Maine
@WIllProwse - Do you think this would make a good Vanlife / RV setup?
A bit overkill but with enough solar that would be epic!
5th wheel? Fine. It is too big for a van
Will this run a 220 v mini split AC in a RV? About how long on no solar?
What would you even do with all that power?
I'm not challenging. I bought a van, and I'm like: window ac, fridge, maybe water heater, what else?
@@WillProwse Do you have any recent videos that pertain to solar for a van, please?
I would love something as streamlined as what you're showing, but - idk, what do you think? Half of this size still looks physically more than enough(?), after I saw your Bluetti run a window ac.
That is nice. Didn’t see where they were selling that power distribution panel separately yet. It would make my setup look a lot prettier. :)
Thanks. So what is the battery and how much?
Please show to built this system completely including inputs and outputs.
Don't know the best place to ask this, but interested in a dedicated time-shift (time-of-day billing) system that can ALSO function as a grid down. I have gear now that sort of works (UTS-6H + AC300 [+ isolation transformer]) but has minor issues/annoyances. Too complicated to explain in a post, but the AC300 power output isn't great for grid down (or artificial grid down to provide time-shift) as the output fluctuates a bit too much and the AC300 output requires 100% isolation from the input. Long story short, looking for an all in one inverter charger that doesn't require the neutrals (input and output) to be isolated. If you are confused, I don't know how to reach out and further explain this rather weird edge case. I even made contact with the AC300 engineers to explain how the UTS-6H works and determined a work-around (isolation transformer).
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But what if a cell goes bad or a pack? Wouldn't the entire battery system be down then?
Will said the same, in the other video, if I'm not mistaken.
@@eliaustin3745 Which video? I can't seem to find that part.
Would be a warranty claim and free shipping back. The defective rate of batteries is exceptionally low. Around 1/10,000
Great content will. I have a question. What brand of long sleeve are you wearing? with the silver cowboy emblem?.
Questions? Are fuses needed anywhere? Cut ff switch? How do you connect to circuit breaker panel? This model has a MPPT charger controller built in?
There is an external rapid shutdown switch for the batteries. Overcurrent protection is built into each pack. No the all-in-one or 18K has a built-in MPPT.
If using the growatt 5000w inverter, it has a MPPT built in.!! Video idea? how to size an MPPT for your system. .For a lot less money.
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I purchased two 6500EX's when they first came out (18-24 months ago?) with the intentions of building a complete system. At that time, I also purchased four EG4 48v/100ah server rack batteries and 8kw of solar panels, all from Signature Solar. As life happens, all of these components are still in the unopened boxes and have simply been occupying a corner of my garage. So, as life continues to happen, I'm just now able to tackle the project. It appears that Signature Solar no longer carries these and I'm guessing that these models had problems or are simply antiquated now? Any advice, updates, or guidance would be greatly appreciated before I start building my system? Thanks in advance for any help
Can you run a small 12VDC resistive heater circuit and thermostat in the battery case for year-round fulltime RV use?
We travel around the continent, and have spent the last 3 winters being snowed upon in the NE US - at temps that make LiFePO battery use a non-starter because they don't like freezing ambient temps.
They are discontinuing the EG4 6500EX at Signature Solar could we get a direct comparison between the 6500EX and the 6000 XP
do you have a video how to install this kit? id like to buy it if you have a link thanks!!!
Are these able to be oriented laying flat or do the terminals have to be upright?
Might be perfect for rv use!!
I was thinking the same thing. Mount the battery on the rear bumper to off set pin weight.
@@TheDesertdawg1 - For a 5th wheel travel trailer or any RV(?)
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I’m thinking 5th wheel.
If your close to the CCC of your truck, this could help off set some of the pin weight.
What is the price this is exactly what I need
I'd like to do this with a generator INSTEAD of solar for emergency backup (1 week of power). Is there a less expensive inverter I could use? Also, can the battery be charged with a battery charger via the generator?
@WillProwse - hey Will. Do you think you could do something on a micro-inverter system? Interested in methods of using micros with a near grid system. Not the average grid tie setup. Capable of running grid down and battery support. Maybe it would be interesting for you too. Something new to talk about. Thanks
Hey I been watching your videos, you personally make them great. My question is there a DC grid in Vegas?
talk about best places to buy it and how much it actually costs instead of being vague
Appears the 6500XP just disappeared. Replaced by 6000XP?
Is this the battery that has built in heaters for cold climate
Hi Will...can I build this one on a dolly too?
Nailed it - Great video!
ive been looking at getting 20 tesla model s modules. overkill solar makes a nice bms kit but itll be like 4k for 20. i just found bpath energy Battery module controller XL that can hook like 26 modules together for 1500 bucks. in theory this sounds good but ive never seen this before. It might make a cool video. I would be curious to see more about it.
Better off using LiFePO4. I made tons of Tesla pack videos five years ago and took them down because they are dangerous
I agree. If you are going to use them build an outdoor enclosure far away from anything else. The symo inverters @ 400v are interesting because they can use the batteries almost as-is with a hacked bms and not cracking the case, but you really only want to do 60-70% DOD on these anyways. (Model S owner here)@@WillProwse
That’s a good lookin battery… smooth and clean.
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