Pat here: "When Activision threatens you with a lawsuit if you cheat, because holy shit guys calm down." Pat multiple times in the past: "If you're caught cheating, they should be allowed to send goons to your house to smash your hardware. And your legs."
my favorite version of that "cheater loses because he sucks" thing that woolie mentioned happened to me back in dark souls 2. back then the most popular pvp area in the game was a bridge at the start of old iron keep. there would always be a million red soapstones/dragon eyes that you could activate to summon other people. cheaters showed up on occasion, and they were pretty much impossible to kill. they had infinite health and all that garbage well back when the game launched there was a property on ultra greatsword running attacks that launched the person hit by them into the air - they were called golf swings. so the method for killing cheaters was to switch to an ultra greatsword, catch them with a running attack, and then send them in a perfect arc over the railing on the bridge into the lava below. unfortunately since fromsoft is ran by punks this property was patched out but it was very fun while it lasted
You know what would be awesome? If you are detected cheating while invading in the Demon's Souls remake, the invaded should automatically be given a scraping spear that costs no endurance to use and weighs nothing. Oh, and it has knock back. Just for funsies.
Early ds2 pvp remains the most fun experience I've ever had in a game. Absolutely nothing was balanced, everyone was cheating, constant ganks, and the occasional fair fight club make me rock hard just thinking about them
Another fun instance of fucking up cheaters comes from Dark Souls 1. Cheaters gave themselves infinite hp + defense but there were exactly 2 work around to that for regular players. 1: gravity and 2: Bleed. Bleed was a status effect that some weapons naturally applied, such as the uchigatana, that took longer to build up BUT also did more damage based off the opponents max hp. This meant that if someone have infinite or a high enough number that it may as well be infinite were to be attacked by a bleed weapon they would eventually instantly die due to bleed-out. Shit was goofy. Look up a video called 'Dark Souls 1: hacker dies to bleed out'
Woolie mentioning the euphoria of "the cheater still losing" has me thinking of those videos of pro marvel 3 players still somehow beating Galactus cheaters
There is an unmatched schadenfreude in seeing someone breaking the rules for an unfair advantage and STILL getting btfo'd. Its like the smoking gun that would get an instant conviction in court for someone being an absolute trash human.
@@kingoftropes922 the apex of this was dark souls 1 pvp wherw peopke would hack infinite health but you could kill them with bleed/gravity. Such a good feeling killing one of those
I remember when I was a cheating kid, but that was in the time of local multiplayer. A good, stern lecture from a friend I respected, and the disappointed glares from everybody else, snapped me out of that phase really quickly. It really is a hollow waste of everybody else's time. I can see the lack of real life social pressure in online games making a good chunk of kids stay in that phase longer.
Prowlingmonkey Funnily enough, that wasn't an issue in my goldeneye multiplayer sessions because I got good at looking and strafing and taught my friends how, too (even if I withheld some secrets, we all knew how to aim and position ourselves). Besides, I was a psycho who sometimes played with a racing wheel controller for that game and you had to hurt your left index finger jamming a holding switch up on the side just to hold C-up.
For a rare glimpse at the good side of cheating, check out some of the Dark Souls 3 videos where people cheat themselves to have Boss levels of health and boss-like move sets (Example: Wearing Artorias armor and having his move set) and invade popular PvP spots so the lobby can band together to try and take down bosses that weren't in the game.
On The Orange Box, on PS3, you could play TF2. And one day, people learned how to manipulate their save files to hack the game, becoming invincible, changing their character colors, noclipping, and full on modding public servers in ways that could and frequently did completely break the entire game. Hackers were altering spawn points to be identical for both teams, and for respawn to be instant, and then assigning themselves to a third team and giving themselves 100 percent crits and infinite ammo, so they could literally drop 16 people into an infinite explosion to get hundreds of kills per minute. There were only five or six servers at any one time and every single one of them was inundated with invincible hackers with boxes built around the capture points and the time set to infinity and the doors to the spawn locked. This made the game, as you can imagine, unplayable. And then it became a different game for me, because I, as a nonhacker, had to learn how to hack super shittily. HOWEVER I learned how to get around the two forms of invincibility, one of which simply set your health to zero without killing you, making it impossible to drain HP because you have none, and a different one that essentially randomized your health to obscenely high levels. The only actual cheat I used was embedding a command to fire after every button I pressed on my controller that would clear the cheat overlays from the server itself, which negated the zero health bug enough to allow the hacker to be killable with a backstab, making all hackers killable, but only with backstabs, and only until the hacker restarted their overlay, giving me a brief window to kill them with a backstab-overlay clear combo bound to the same button. This led to several months where TF2 was a game you could only play as a spy, and you could only fight supernaturally powerful hackers as they noclipped around trying to pin people inside objects that they were actively spawning in, and not being hidden while you weren't invisible meant that you were about to be instakilled by infinite crit rockets. You had to abuse the invisistab glitch to kill them before they knew you were there and so they couldn't see you when you were running away, or bait their noclip flybys into small corridors so they could actually be attacked, or stabbing people jammed in the capture points in the top of the head to remove them. There were servers that were lost causes, because there were hackers who had learned to literally erase their own player model from existence and kill people with some sort of picker command just by looking at them through the spectator feature, or even unassign them from teams so they couldn't even spawn. Eventually the hackers would start trying to come after me personally when they realized it was the same person killing them occasionally, leading to hilarious dominations when they could be invisistabbed through their cheats multiple times while they were trying to find the invisible spy hiding in his own teams spawn that they were noclipping into. After some months of this, some people who were much better hackers than I was figured out how to essentially uncorrupt public servers by hacking them into the "svcheats0" mode, disabling that kind of hacking by going in and rebooting them minus cheats. Notice I didn't say anything about Valve, who said that it was EA's problem, because they published the game on PS3 or some shit, and EA couldn't be fucked.
KotoRyu I remember picking up the orange box for some other games on it, and had a couple of sessions of TF2, and then demomen started clipping through walls into our areas and it just felt crappy after that. Glad I wasn’t the only one putting up with this shit, though worse that it was so widespread.
@@nosferatuzodd5614 PS3 TF2 was probably my favorite game for a long time, and it was pristine for so long that it killed me to suddenly see everything so fucked. Cloakstabbing bitchass modders felt so great after going to all that time and effort to turn their cheats off and make them mortal. ALMOST as good as doing it to them so much that they would abandon the server to fuck up a different one, in the best case scenario without having irreversibly destroyed the first one, and having a normal game for once as a sort of victory.
When all else fails, just force the cheater into a game of Fall Ball and everyone will dispense justice themselves. That's what happened to me one time. The cheater's own team was scoring goals on themselves because they'd rather take the cheater down with them.
I'm surprised they didn't mention the Game Dev Tycoon thing. If you pirated the game, it would play as normal for a while, but eventually the game would implement pirates that reduced your profits bit by bit, until every game you put out was a flop and made no profit. And there wasn't a workaround or way to stop it from happening and getting worse. And you'd see people making post on the forums asking about it, even with phrases like 'is there a DRM unlock that'll stop this', and people in the know would have free reign to mock them about it.
That reminded me of all the people asking how to get on the Liberty Island boat in Deus Ex, as well as the immortal pink scorpion that showed up in Serious Sam 3. That shit was priceless, lol.
"I was looking for a good time, I don't actually care if I win this game." It's totally possible to lose but still win. I've had matches where I've lost but enjoyed the fight so much I didn't care.
It's funny that Pat brings up the DS1 example, I've actually seen a DS3 video where someone's chased by a hacker and manages to get them in a position where they cause the hacker to fall to their death, and it is one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
i wish more devs installed counter cheating software imagine some guy flying to the crown but because it detected him cheating he just isn't allowed to grab anything.
I actually got hit with an anti-piracy feature before despite having a legit copy. The issue was I did an OS migration without reinstalling C&C Generals: Zero Hour, so all my stuff just kept exploding.
I'm one of those people that played on Alter IW Net servers. They're basically custom servers for CoD4 and MW2 that had game modes like Infection and even map builds like Halo's Forge mode. It even had a server browser of all things. The thing is though, there's a lot of cheaters. There are low brow cheaters that basically auto aim on enemy heads the moment you go into their field of view, or you get the game breaking cheaters that fly around the map and shoot everyone like a flying mobile turret. I've encountered cheaters as far back as HLDM, CS1.6, and various Valve Source games, but those custom Modern Warfare servers were the ones I remember the most. And that's because you actually have a chance of winning against the average CoD cheater. It's always a satisfying feeling when you actually win against one... Unless you find out that your team also had a cheater, lol. It just turns into a battle of whose cheater is stronger then.
If you're cheating and it causes your game to stop working properly and you complain about it online, you deserve the response: "IDK man, it works fine for me."
11:15 One of my favorite stories from Dark Souls multiplayer was when I was invaded by an obvious cheater. He had hacked himself to have infinite heath and was seemingly un-killable. However, I soon realized that infinite health doesn’t mean you have infinite bleed resist. And 33% of infinity is still 33%. So I held him off and made him bleed 1, 2, 3, 4 times and he was dead. So satisfying.
There's a very fine moral line when it comes to piracy. If you're pirating a thing that you can't get in your country/does not exist anymore within legit circles/is priced impossibly high and therefore only made to catch whales...good job! No normal person is going to blame you for that shit. Hell, it's practically archeology in some cases! You could be preserving a bit of history in a franchise that would have otherwise been lost. However. If the thing you are pirating has literally _just_ come out/is being sold on an accessible platform at a fair price...don't pirate that shit. It's not even a money argument at that point. The only people who pirate on Day 1 of release are literally entitled scumbags who don't want to and, in fact, never intended to pay for a readily avaliable product. Also, they're stupid. Seriously. Do you know how many companies release their own "pirated" (read: trapped) copies of their game online Day 1 before anyone else can just to trap these idiots? It's a lot. And it's funny _every time!_
@@conspiracypanda1200 Slight disagreement: 1. Pirating can also be a form of boycotting (although at that point I'd rather people just bite the bullet and not even give the game relevancy by playing it AND talking about it at all). Especially with the amount of scumbaggery happening in """AAA""" industries it really only benefits the corporate scumbags that will then just fire the devs (which get paid for their labour making the game, not based on the success of the title) anyways to get more money. 2. "priced impossibly high" can be relative. If you're some poor shmuck then a lot of things are going to be considered "impossibly high" for you when it's either a game or not starving. At that point I'd rather have pirates talking about and promoting the game through word of mouth than let a game fade into obscurity because not enough people are talking about it.
@@99sins yeah the "priced impossibly high" point was really vague. I meant that bit in reference to like...HD sets for 12 episode anime that isn't released outside of japan and is priced at half a grand or whatever. Not as applicable to games, i know, but certainly a reason for piracy in general. At that point you either pirate the lower definition series that they wont sell you or don't interact with the franchise at all. Boycotting through piracy is also another weird grey area, and one I where I can't form a proper opinion because, honestly, boycott piracy seems a little bit weak-willed to me. It's like calling smokers "stupid, lung-diseased addicts" while you yourself are munching down on entire cakes and getting diabetes from it. Like you, I'd rather skip on a game/company's products entirely as a form of boycotting rather than remain addicted to their content through piracy. It always feels like (to me at least) the people who claim to pirate for boycott-based reasons are either trying to assuage their own conscience as they indulge their addiction OR they are the kind of person who pirates everything regardless and wants to bask in the feeling of being mistaken for a true moral paragon.
Look my first 100 hours in Skyrim were on a pirate copy right after launch. I'm not ashamed of that. Eventually I grew tired of the game and uninstalled. Months later I saw some mods and decided I wanted to play again the value proposition of risk to reward had changed, I knew I liked the game and the effort of finding the least virus riddled copy online and cleaning it up only to have to repeat the process next update made purchasing a legit copy worth it. The simple truth is that I don't buy single serving games, if I won't reinstall it sometime next year to play it again, I probably won't be paying for it. Honestly thought I REALLY don't see much of a difference between a Humble Bundle and piracy other than the metrics and the assurance to the developer that the game is patched and running as intended.
The thing about cheating is that it can only create a playable environment if literally everyone is cheating at the exact same time. Watching two explosive fire spell hackers go at it in Dark Souls was probably one of the most chaotic and destructive things I have ever seen in my life. Anarchy servers in Minecraft also have hacked client battles that are hectic and terrifying and are over in a flash. But these are very specific and cool examples of cheating that definitely do NOT apply to every game. After all, most cheaters dont cheat for the spectacle or to compete against their fellow cheaters in a way that pushes the limits of the game; they just want that big leaderboard number because apparently that's all that matters?? And so they intrude on vanilla games to crush hundreds of normal players without even looking at the screen; killing their enemies in 1 lame punch; never allowing their healthbar to fall below 999999; hovering 10 feet in the air where no obstacles can reach them until the timer runs out... even though it will _never_ be fun, nor will the number of crowns/victoriy royals ever fill the void inside of them. It's just sounds so _boring_ ... The only thing I understand less is people who use bots, but even they tend to do it to collect and sell hats from smurf accounts or something idk.
Apparently suspending accounts is just the best way to at least slow down cheaters because if they just get banned they'll just buy another copy of the game, if suspended they'll wait it out. So could probably do both, send these guys to cheater island so they can still play, but suspend them from regular play for a week or two adding more for each offense. Actually a bonus thing though. They all have to wear a stupid hat and even after their suspension ends the hat stays on that character for a month.
theres also the cheater that i think pat can relate to, "i need every single item in this game or else i cant play it so i need to get every crown i can so i can play the game after i jave everything."
Cheater Island sounds like a reality tv show where people who cheated on their significant other are sent to a deserted island and put through torturous challenges to redeem themselves in their significant other’s eyes, who are watching from home. I’m not much for reality tv but I’d watch the hell out of Cheater Island.
That ain't redemption anymore. That's just a lesser form of getting tarred and feathered which I don't think would help the problem since the focus is on "bad people deserve bad things" instead of looking into why that kind of shit happens that leads people to do shit like that and forming preventative measures.
I remember about a year ago, my buddy and I were like," let's play black ops 2 on the 360! Remember we would play the game to get diamond skins, haha oh yeah." He starts a multi death match and the game is filled with snipers in the sky box, in nuke town, and the leave game menu was disabled. He had to turn off the console to get out of the game.
Reminds me of what Mario Royale did before it got canned by Nintendo (and definitely not stolen): When you got caught cheating, you could still play like normal, see everyone, all that.. but you couldn't ever interact with anyone, and no one could see you. You were essentially playing singleplayer and you wouldn't have any idea. It was chalked up as "desync" and the creator had a great time browsing complaints about it on forums before just putting cheaters in Gay Baby Jail.
Fallguys Dev: Epic Anti-Cheat will fix things! Me: Oh you sweet sweet summerchild... Been playing enough games with EAC to know by now it doesnt stop much. Russian (Although those guys have gotten way less cheaty) and Chinese (which basically explode onto your servers) Players have the "fun addition" to be quite certainly cheating. Hell, in certain Free-to-Play games it feels like certain chinese net-cafe accounts have "micropeen"-energy preinstalled.
Those words literally were never said in the video. They implemented Epic Anti cheat not because it was better, but because of the negative backlash cheaters were causing by posting these clips and telling everyone the game is buggy. Even with cheater Island, the good hackers would also find a way around, so like Pat and Woolie said, sometimes its just better do the ban method of anti cheat.
It's a battle royale. All the penis points go to the one person that wins so It's really not hard to imagine people wanting to find ways to get an advantage when there can only be 1 'winner'.
I fucking love the idea of a Cheater Island and or Jail, lock up every cheater and make them compete with each other and see who is the biggest and best piece of shit
cheater island should be a one man island. Completely filled to the brim with bots. it would shadow ban you from multiplayer, and just fill your game with bots.
Yeah I wish they would have just added bots since it would actually populate the island and let the cheaters get that magical victory they crave (and then get shat on when they upload videos/stream and people notice the bots)
@@99sins It might also neuter their cheating. They are facing bots, so they should (probably) do well without having to cheat. So they eventually stop bothering with it. Or they lose despite cheating, and I hope they post a video to show off their tiny dick energy. losing to a bot when you are cheating must be the lowest of the low.
Honestly, in situations like this i think that a good way of dealing with it is having the Cheaters allowed to play. But. They are branded as cheaters in game. They can get to the crown and take it, but if they are marked as cheaters, it's revealed to be a fake cardboard crown that doesn't count to the win. Like, make it damn clear it's a cheating punishment so they can't pass it up as a bug.
If a cheater gets the crown, it should dissolve the cheater's character, and a non cheater can actually take the crown. The grip of a pure, only for those that endured
That Dark Souls video of the guy kicking the invincible dude to fall to his death pisses me off. It's one thing if someone invades you and is a hacker, they're an asshole. But that guy was in his own game and got invaded. There's nothing wrong with cheating a single player game. He was hurting nobody. You didn't punish a cheater, you just fucked around with someone elses game when they were minding their own business.
The only online game I have ever cheated in was world of warcraft because I enjoyed playing the game, not grinding for hours and hours for gold, so I would bot pets and sell them for money so I could actually play the game.
It would be super sick if there was a UI element or character or something that only shows up on a pirated/cheater flagged version of a game that was super subtle and looks like it belongs there or something.
@@4Wilko Thats the question, and you can make the argument for each one being more satisfying, but as shown here, the latter risks pulling a reverse uno card if they don't reveal its on purpose.
Fall Guys has the best version of "cheaters losing anyway" where a common sight in team-based mini games was the cheater's OWN TEAMMATES turning on them and intentionally throwing the match. I'd rather a cheater lose than I win.
Exactly this. Alongside the fact that if you play to win in these situations you're still going to end up losing to the cheater in the finale anyway so it's just time wasted.
To be honest the rainbow edition idea isn't bad. So what if it becomes the new favorite mode? That just means people have more fun there so why not give the consumers what they want? Remember when Fortnite was actually a zombie survival game?
There was a fantastic video of Quake III arena of an aim botter, and their script couldn't keep track of the grenade jumping, B-hopping 3000iq lobby god they got matched vs.
Is it considered cheating to use an autofire controller to join shows and take the 30 participation award points from first round losses while you go to work?
technically yes but the harm done to other players is just hogging a slot which, as long as finding servers isn't a problem, is negligible if not completely unnoticed
You guys didn't mention another prominent cheater: the career cheater account grinder that wants to sell a "Full Season One Pass, All Skins Purchased Account" to some lazy kid with more cash than dignity asap. They're the most organised since they've got cash in the game and are more likely to form communities and share info than the kiddy "I just wanna win!" cheater or the "lulz" cheater.
It's a bigger issue with 'winning' being glorified nowadays. There's way too much insecurity going around to not feel like 'if you're not winning, you're losing' (with the implication being that you're a loser)
Pat here: "When Activision threatens you with a lawsuit if you cheat, because holy shit guys calm down."
Pat multiple times in the past: "If you're caught cheating, they should be allowed to send goons to your house to smash your hardware. And your legs."
I'll take Joey da Horse putting me in the hospital over going to court with Activision
@@ryco9669 For real, an honest kneecapping is more desirable than getting crushed beneath the legal team of some corporate fucks.
Pat is just mad people are cheating better than him
Would actually rather have someone invert my legs joints than get sucked into legal hell against Activision.
so if I cheat I become legs?
my favorite version of that "cheater loses because he sucks" thing that woolie mentioned happened to me back in dark souls 2. back then the most popular pvp area in the game was a bridge at the start of old iron keep. there would always be a million red soapstones/dragon eyes that you could activate to summon other people. cheaters showed up on occasion, and they were pretty much impossible to kill. they had infinite health and all that garbage
well back when the game launched there was a property on ultra greatsword running attacks that launched the person hit by them into the air - they were called golf swings. so the method for killing cheaters was to switch to an ultra greatsword, catch them with a running attack, and then send them in a perfect arc over the railing on the bridge into the lava below. unfortunately since fromsoft is ran by punks this property was patched out but it was very fun while it lasted
You know what would be awesome?
If you are detected cheating while invading in the Demon's Souls remake, the invaded should automatically be given a scraping spear that costs no endurance to use and weighs nothing.
Oh, and it has knock back.
Just for funsies.
Then they would re-invade and drop hacked items into your game and get you ban for cheating.
Praise the Sun, Death Planes, and the GOLF SWING. - the guy who came to the fight club powerstancing two Greatswords like a mad man
Early ds2 pvp remains the most fun experience I've ever had in a game. Absolutely nothing was balanced, everyone was cheating, constant ganks, and the occasional fair fight club make me rock hard just thinking about them
Another fun instance of fucking up cheaters comes from Dark Souls 1. Cheaters gave themselves infinite hp + defense but there were exactly 2 work around to that for regular players. 1: gravity and 2: Bleed. Bleed was a status effect that some weapons naturally applied, such as the uchigatana, that took longer to build up BUT also did more damage based off the opponents max hp. This meant that if someone have infinite or a high enough number that it may as well be infinite were to be attacked by a bleed weapon they would eventually instantly die due to bleed-out. Shit was goofy. Look up a video called 'Dark Souls 1: hacker dies to bleed out'
Woolie mentioning the euphoria of "the cheater still losing" has me thinking of those videos of pro marvel 3 players still somehow beating Galactus cheaters
There is an unmatched schadenfreude in seeing someone breaking the rules for an unfair advantage and STILL getting btfo'd. Its like the smoking gun that would get an instant conviction in court for someone being an absolute trash human.
@@kingoftropes922 the apex of this was dark souls 1 pvp wherw peopke would hack infinite health but you could kill them with bleed/gravity.
Such a good feeling killing one of those
King Of Tropes what’s btfo mean? Best I can guess is “bent the fuck over”
@@riastradh You know, that's not what it means but that's so good it might as well in this case.
King Of Tropes well what’s it mean normally?
7:58 The quote was actually "it's not a bug in the game's code, it's a bug in your moral code".
I remember when I was a cheating kid, but that was in the time of local multiplayer. A good, stern lecture from a friend I respected, and the disappointed glares from everybody else, snapped me out of that phase really quickly. It really is a hollow waste of everybody else's time. I can see the lack of real life social pressure in online games making a good chunk of kids stay in that phase longer.
a few glares and disappointed looks from friends face to face hits a lot harder than someone online yelling who you can just ignore definitely
No picking oddjob
Prowlingmonkey Funnily enough, that wasn't an issue in my goldeneye multiplayer sessions because I got good at looking and strafing and taught my friends how, too (even if I withheld some secrets, we all knew how to aim and position ourselves). Besides, I was a psycho who sometimes played with a racing wheel controller for that game and you had to hurt your left index finger jamming a holding switch up on the side just to hold C-up.
For a rare glimpse at the good side of cheating, check out some of the Dark Souls 3 videos where people cheat themselves to have Boss levels of health and boss-like move sets (Example: Wearing Artorias armor and having his move set) and invade popular PvP spots so the lobby can band together to try and take down bosses that weren't in the game.
Public Servant Bosses
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On The Orange Box, on PS3, you could play TF2. And one day, people learned how to manipulate their save files to hack the game, becoming invincible, changing their character colors, noclipping, and full on modding public servers in ways that could and frequently did completely break the entire game. Hackers were altering spawn points to be identical for both teams, and for respawn to be instant, and then assigning themselves to a third team and giving themselves 100 percent crits and infinite ammo, so they could literally drop 16 people into an infinite explosion to get hundreds of kills per minute. There were only five or six servers at any one time and every single one of them was inundated with invincible hackers with boxes built around the capture points and the time set to infinity and the doors to the spawn locked.
This made the game, as you can imagine, unplayable. And then it became a different game for me, because I, as a nonhacker, had to learn how to hack super shittily. HOWEVER I learned how to get around the two forms of invincibility, one of which simply set your health to zero without killing you, making it impossible to drain HP because you have none, and a different one that essentially randomized your health to obscenely high levels. The only actual cheat I used was embedding a command to fire after every button I pressed on my controller that would clear the cheat overlays from the server itself, which negated the zero health bug enough to allow the hacker to be killable with a backstab, making all hackers killable, but only with backstabs, and only until the hacker restarted their overlay, giving me a brief window to kill them with a backstab-overlay clear combo bound to the same button.
This led to several months where TF2 was a game you could only play as a spy, and you could only fight supernaturally powerful hackers as they noclipped around trying to pin people inside objects that they were actively spawning in, and not being hidden while you weren't invisible meant that you were about to be instakilled by infinite crit rockets. You had to abuse the invisistab glitch to kill them before they knew you were there and so they couldn't see you when you were running away, or bait their noclip flybys into small corridors so they could actually be attacked, or stabbing people jammed in the capture points in the top of the head to remove them. There were servers that were lost causes, because there were hackers who had learned to literally erase their own player model from existence and kill people with some sort of picker command just by looking at them through the spectator feature, or even unassign them from teams so they couldn't even spawn. Eventually the hackers would start trying to come after me personally when they realized it was the same person killing them occasionally, leading to hilarious dominations when they could be invisistabbed through their cheats multiple times while they were trying to find the invisible spy hiding in his own teams spawn that they were noclipping into.
After some months of this, some people who were much better hackers than I was figured out how to essentially uncorrupt public servers by hacking them into the "svcheats0" mode, disabling that kind of hacking by going in and rebooting them minus cheats. Notice I didn't say anything about Valve, who said that it was EA's problem, because they published the game on PS3 or some shit, and EA couldn't be fucked.
KotoRyu I remember picking up the orange box for some other games on it, and had a couple of sessions of TF2, and then demomen started clipping through walls into our areas and it just felt crappy after that. Glad I wasn’t the only one putting up with this shit, though worse that it was so widespread.
You dropped this, king 👑
@@nosferatuzodd5614 PS3 TF2 was probably my favorite game for a long time, and it was pristine for so long that it killed me to suddenly see everything so fucked. Cloakstabbing bitchass modders felt so great after going to all that time and effort to turn their cheats off and make them mortal. ALMOST as good as doing it to them so much that they would abandon the server to fuck up a different one, in the best case scenario without having irreversibly destroyed the first one, and having a normal game for once as a sort of victory.
Honestly, while it must have been really annoying to deal with that bull, with the way you described it, it sounds like fucking hardcore chaos.
When all else fails, just force the cheater into a game of Fall Ball and everyone will dispense justice themselves. That's what happened to me one time. The cheater's own team was scoring goals on themselves because they'd rather take the cheater down with them.
Imagine cheating in Fall guys
My dad would cheat in tic tac toe, so anything's possible.
@@HonestlyJustSomeGuy Honestly, how?
I love cheater island. Hell on earth. It is a wonderful thing
I'm surprised they didn't mention the Game Dev Tycoon thing. If you pirated the game, it would play as normal for a while, but eventually the game would implement pirates that reduced your profits bit by bit, until every game you put out was a flop and made no profit. And there wasn't a workaround or way to stop it from happening and getting worse.
And you'd see people making post on the forums asking about it, even with phrases like 'is there a DRM unlock that'll stop this', and people in the know would have free reign to mock them about it.
That reminded me of all the people asking how to get on the Liberty Island boat in Deus Ex, as well as the immortal pink scorpion that showed up in Serious Sam 3.
That shit was priceless, lol.
Sitting here watching this while playing multi on THPS and people are getting 80mil point combos and I'm just like
Love your content dude!
Good luck with your battle with Susan.
Oh shiddddd it's the man
Understandable
Omg you like CSB damn no wonder i got suggested you.
I'm in the group called "I don't care if I win, just so long as I played good."
Just getting to the finals is really satisfying.
I think your atitude is great, espacially for this game, but if I lose because the other player is a cheater peace of shit, than I get mad.
*adjusts glasses* Played "well" huehuehue.
Thats the best gaming attitude because you anger meter becomes immune to critical hits.
"I was looking for a good time, I don't actually care if I win this game."
It's totally possible to lose but still win.
I've had matches where I've lost but enjoyed the fight so much I didn't care.
I WOULD NEVER, THAT'S MY BOY
But sir we caught you streaming the game live
I didn't know exactly what cheater island was but I knew this had to do with Fall Guys based on cheater being in the title. lmao
So happy we finally got the Dark Olympics. XD
It's funny that Pat brings up the DS1 example, I've actually seen a DS3 video where someone's chased by a hacker and manages to get them in a position where they cause the hacker to fall to their death, and it is one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
There's that Max Dood video they manage to dodge a super from a guy with a blatant lag switch in SF4 and win. it's DELICIOUS to watch
4:26 I cherish Pat's smile.
i wish more devs installed counter cheating software
imagine some guy flying to the crown but because it detected him cheating he just isn't allowed to grab anything.
You will never reach the crown!
are we allowed to call this software Requiem
Hardlock their skin to a dunce cap or something.
I actually got hit with an anti-piracy feature before despite having a legit copy. The issue was I did an OS migration without reinstalling C&C Generals: Zero Hour, so all my stuff just kept exploding.
I'm one of those people that played on Alter IW Net servers. They're basically custom servers for CoD4 and MW2 that had game modes like Infection and even map builds like Halo's Forge mode. It even had a server browser of all things.
The thing is though, there's a lot of cheaters. There are low brow cheaters that basically auto aim on enemy heads the moment you go into their field of view, or you get the game breaking cheaters that fly around the map and shoot everyone like a flying mobile turret.
I've encountered cheaters as far back as HLDM, CS1.6, and various Valve Source games, but those custom Modern Warfare servers were the ones I remember the most. And that's because you actually have a chance of winning against the average CoD cheater. It's always a satisfying feeling when you actually win against one... Unless you find out that your team also had a cheater, lol. It just turns into a battle of whose cheater is stronger then.
If you're cheating and it causes your game to stop working properly and you complain about it online, you deserve the response: "IDK man, it works fine for me."
"Ok Cheater"
I want Zangeif to Goldberg spear Pat.
I really appreciate the level of prodisitude on display here. Bravo, sirs.
Perfectly cromulent grokking of prodisitude, there. The smoothbrained strata of society will never ascend to our dimensional plane.
11:15 One of my favorite stories from Dark Souls multiplayer was when I was invaded by an obvious cheater. He had hacked himself to have infinite heath and was seemingly un-killable.
However, I soon realized that infinite health doesn’t mean you have infinite bleed resist. And 33% of infinity is still 33%. So I held him off and made him bleed 1, 2, 3, 4 times and he was dead.
So satisfying.
Cheater Island will be forever in our hearts like Sniper Island.
2:30 I think the term Pat is looking for is "litterally concave."
I wish the intro to the castle super beast clips had some music, its always so jarring when i click on a video
Or at least start the audio
I feel that, I always question my internet connection when they start silent
Cheater
Cheater
Victory is less Sweeter
It turns out pirates talk about game-play experiences too... WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.
There's a very fine moral line when it comes to piracy. If you're pirating a thing that you can't get in your country/does not exist anymore within legit circles/is priced impossibly high and therefore only made to catch whales...good job! No normal person is going to blame you for that shit. Hell, it's practically archeology in some cases! You could be preserving a bit of history in a franchise that would have otherwise been lost.
However. If the thing you are pirating has literally _just_ come out/is being sold on an accessible platform at a fair price...don't pirate that shit. It's not even a money argument at that point. The only people who pirate on Day 1 of release are literally entitled scumbags who don't want to and, in fact, never intended to pay for a readily avaliable product. Also, they're stupid. Seriously. Do you know how many companies release their own "pirated" (read: trapped) copies of their game online Day 1 before anyone else can just to trap these idiots? It's a lot. And it's funny _every time!_
@@conspiracypanda1200 Slight disagreement:
1. Pirating can also be a form of boycotting (although at that point I'd rather people just bite the bullet and not even give the game relevancy by playing it AND talking about it at all). Especially with the amount of scumbaggery happening in """AAA""" industries it really only benefits the corporate scumbags that will then just fire the devs (which get paid for their labour making the game, not based on the success of the title) anyways to get more money.
2. "priced impossibly high" can be relative. If you're some poor shmuck then a lot of things are going to be considered "impossibly high" for you when it's either a game or not starving. At that point I'd rather have pirates talking about and promoting the game through word of mouth than let a game fade into obscurity because not enough people are talking about it.
@@99sins yeah the "priced impossibly high" point was really vague. I meant that bit in reference to like...HD sets for 12 episode anime that isn't released outside of japan and is priced at half a grand or whatever. Not as applicable to games, i know, but certainly a reason for piracy in general. At that point you either pirate the lower definition series that they wont sell you or don't interact with the franchise at all.
Boycotting through piracy is also another weird grey area, and one I where I can't form a proper opinion because, honestly, boycott piracy seems a little bit weak-willed to me. It's like calling smokers "stupid, lung-diseased addicts" while you yourself are munching down on entire cakes and getting diabetes from it. Like you, I'd rather skip on a game/company's products entirely as a form of boycotting rather than remain addicted to their content through piracy. It always feels like (to me at least) the people who claim to pirate for boycott-based reasons are either trying to assuage their own conscience as they indulge their addiction OR they are the kind of person who pirates everything regardless and wants to bask in the feeling of being mistaken for a true moral paragon.
Kaweta you could also boycott by just not playing the video game
Look my first 100 hours in Skyrim were on a pirate copy right after launch. I'm not ashamed of that. Eventually I grew tired of the game and uninstalled. Months later I saw some mods and decided I wanted to play again the value proposition of risk to reward had changed, I knew I liked the game and the effort of finding the least virus riddled copy online and cleaning it up only to have to repeat the process next update made purchasing a legit copy worth it.
The simple truth is that I don't buy single serving games, if I won't reinstall it sometime next year to play it again, I probably won't be paying for it.
Honestly thought I REALLY don't see much of a difference between a Humble Bundle and piracy other than the metrics and the assurance to the developer that the game is patched and running as intended.
The thing about cheating is that it can only create a playable environment if literally everyone is cheating at the exact same time. Watching two explosive fire spell hackers go at it in Dark Souls was probably one of the most chaotic and destructive things I have ever seen in my life. Anarchy servers in Minecraft also have hacked client battles that are hectic and terrifying and are over in a flash. But these are very specific and cool examples of cheating that definitely do NOT apply to every game. After all, most cheaters dont cheat for the spectacle or to compete against their fellow cheaters in a way that pushes the limits of the game; they just want that big leaderboard number because apparently that's all that matters?? And so they intrude on vanilla games to crush hundreds of normal players without even looking at the screen; killing their enemies in 1 lame punch; never allowing their healthbar to fall below 999999; hovering 10 feet in the air where no obstacles can reach them until the timer runs out... even though it will _never_ be fun, nor will the number of crowns/victoriy royals ever fill the void inside of them. It's just sounds so _boring_ ... The only thing I understand less is people who use bots, but even they tend to do it to collect and sell hats from smurf accounts or something idk.
The Matrix: Cheaterlution
4:42 rare ray of fuckin sunshine pat
They targeted Cheaters.
Cheaters!
I was hoping this was about that trainwreck of a reality show, Temptation Island...
Whats that lol
i was hoping it was specifically not that
Apparently suspending accounts is just the best way to at least slow down cheaters because if they just get banned they'll just buy another copy of the game, if suspended they'll wait it out.
So could probably do both, send these guys to cheater island so they can still play, but suspend them from regular play for a week or two adding more for each offense.
Actually a bonus thing though. They all have to wear a stupid hat and even after their suspension ends the hat stays on that character for a month.
Beginning to think the only way to actually stop cheating is to literally throw cheaters in a physical cheater jail.
theres also the cheater that i think pat can relate to, "i need every single item in this game or else i cant play it so i need to get every crown i can so i can play the game after i jave everything."
Cheater Island sounds like a reality tv show where people who cheated on their significant other are sent to a deserted island and put through torturous challenges to redeem themselves in their significant other’s eyes, who are watching from home.
I’m not much for reality tv but I’d watch the hell out of Cheater Island.
That ain't redemption anymore. That's just a lesser form of getting tarred and feathered which I don't think would help the problem since the focus is on "bad people deserve bad things" instead of looking into why that kind of shit happens that leads people to do shit like that and forming preventative measures.
THE DARK OLYMPICS
I remember about a year ago, my buddy and I were like," let's play black ops 2 on the 360! Remember we would play the game to get diamond skins, haha oh yeah." He starts a multi death match and the game is filled with snipers in the sky box, in nuke town, and the leave game menu was disabled. He had to turn off the console to get out of the game.
WE DIDN'T LAND ON CHEATER ISLAND! CHEATER ISLAND...LANDED ON US!!
Look at how big zan is getting
Reminds me of what Mario Royale did before it got canned by Nintendo (and definitely not stolen):
When you got caught cheating, you could still play like normal, see everyone, all that.. but you couldn't ever interact with anyone, and no one could see you.
You were essentially playing singleplayer and you wouldn't have any idea. It was chalked up as "desync" and the creator had a great time browsing complaints about it on forums before just putting cheaters in Gay Baby Jail.
Fallguys Dev: Epic Anti-Cheat will fix things!
Me: Oh you sweet sweet summerchild...
Been playing enough games with EAC to know by now it doesnt stop much.
Russian (Although those guys have gotten way less cheaty) and Chinese (which basically explode onto your servers) Players have the "fun addition" to be quite certainly cheating.
Hell, in certain Free-to-Play games it feels like certain chinese net-cafe accounts have "micropeen"-energy preinstalled.
Those words literally were never said in the video. They implemented Epic Anti cheat not because it was better, but because of the negative backlash cheaters were causing by posting these clips and telling everyone the game is buggy. Even with cheater Island, the good hackers would also find a way around, so like Pat and Woolie said, sometimes its just better do the ban method of anti cheat.
@@Vulken2000 I did paraphrase the Dev, yes. But the main message stays the same.
@@MrAnthraxes I would qualify that as putting words in their mouth, not paraphrasing.
Pretty sure you wouldn't implement an anticheat if you wouldn't think it'd fix things but for shits and giggles/"pacifying the community".
I'm baffled out of all the games, it's fall guys.
Never be surprised about how pathetic people can be, bucko. Never.
It's a battle royale. All the penis points go to the one person that wins so It's really not hard to imagine people wanting to find ways to get an advantage when there can only be 1 'winner'.
Why can't cheaters just, like...
not?
Cheater island is fucking awesome and I want it to be a bigger thing
I fucking love the idea of a Cheater Island and or Jail, lock up every cheater and make them compete with each other and see who is the biggest and best piece of shit
People cheating in a baby game, their parents must be proud
11:19 Overwatch Cheaters
cheater island should be a one man island. Completely filled to the brim with bots.
it would shadow ban you from multiplayer, and just fill your game with bots.
Yeah I wish they would have just added bots since it would actually populate the island and let the cheaters get that magical victory they crave (and then get shat on when they upload videos/stream and people notice the bots)
@@99sins It might also neuter their cheating. They are facing bots, so they should (probably) do well without having to cheat. So they eventually stop bothering with it.
Or they lose despite cheating, and I hope they post a video to show off their tiny dick energy. losing to a bot when you are cheating must be the lowest of the low.
Honestly, in situations like this i think that a good way of dealing with it is having the Cheaters allowed to play. But. They are branded as cheaters in game. They can get to the crown and take it, but if they are marked as cheaters, it's revealed to be a fake cardboard crown that doesn't count to the win. Like, make it damn clear it's a cheating punishment so they can't pass it up as a bug.
If the cheater gets the crown they DC and get played a cardboard crown animation, while everyone else keeps playing.
If a cheater gets the crown, it should dissolve the cheater's character, and a non cheater can actually take the crown. The grip of a pure, only for those that endured
I once killed a fly hacker in Minecraft Skywars. It felt so good.
Live Free or Cheat Hard
In case anyone is curious, the Dark Souls clip Pat was talking about is likely this one from Emarrel: ruclips.net/video/Ob0hV4JWonM/видео.html
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER!
That Dark Souls video of the guy kicking the invincible dude to fall to his death pisses me off. It's one thing if someone invades you and is a hacker, they're an asshole. But that guy was in his own game and got invaded. There's nothing wrong with cheating a single player game. He was hurting nobody. You didn't punish a cheater, you just fucked around with someone elses game when they were minding their own business.
why is woolie wearing a scarf in his own house
it's made of the wings of beetles that are found in Southeast Aisa
Also style
@@ZyroShadowPony hard to be stylish in your own house
Just be better and beat the cheaters, is what I would expect Pat to say lol
Ah yes Gief is truely strong
The only online game I have ever cheated in was world of warcraft because I enjoyed playing the game, not grinding for hours and hours for gold, so I would bot pets and sell them for money so I could actually play the game.
More games should do cheater island
It would be super sick if there was a UI element or character or something that only shows up on a pirated/cheater flagged version of a game that was super subtle and looks like it belongs there or something.
Is it better to put a giant cheater sticker on them, or let them keep thinking that they're getting away with it while super not getting away with it?
@@4Wilko Thats the question, and you can make the argument for each one being more satisfying, but as shown here, the latter risks pulling a reverse uno card if they don't reveal its on purpose.
Fall Guys has the best version of "cheaters losing anyway" where a common sight in team-based mini games was the cheater's OWN TEAMMATES turning on them and intentionally throwing the match.
I'd rather a cheater lose than I win.
Exactly this. Alongside the fact that if you play to win in these situations you're still going to end up losing to the cheater in the finale anyway so it's just time wasted.
Too be fair, a slight twist at the end of battle royale is that they won by cheating
Other idea for fall guys. When someone cheats like that just match them with bots from now on. Have them think they're online, but it's just bots.
cheaters should definitely be slammed with a lawsuit since they're harming your business
Mainstream cheaters coming in to ruin my wholesome devolver game...
Whose Bigidius?
My fwiend in Wome, Biggus Dickkus.
To be honest the rainbow edition idea isn't bad. So what if it becomes the new favorite mode? That just means people have more fun there so why not give the consumers what they want? Remember when Fortnite was actually a zombie survival game?
That was an age that has been almost lost to time
Reminds me of when Infernoplus banished people to gay baby jail
At least hackers and Cheaters arent common at all on console
The most fun i had in overwatch was watching korean pros destroying aim bot cheaters in ranked
I think my favorite Anti-Cheat is still Virgin Slayer: Revengeance.
fucking what
@@just_matt214 it was made by Alpharad for a Mario battle royal he made.
There was a fantastic video of Quake III arena of an aim botter, and their script couldn't keep track of the grenade jumping, B-hopping 3000iq lobby god they got matched vs.
Is it considered cheating to use an autofire controller to join shows and take the 30 participation award points from first round losses while you go to work?
technically yes but the harm done to other players is just hogging a slot which, as long as finding servers isn't a problem, is negligible if not completely unnoticed
I wonder if there are any false positives?
Holy shit is that a diet coke has pat finally gave up on drinking chemicals , or is it paige's
You guys didn't mention another prominent cheater: the career cheater account grinder that wants to sell a "Full Season One Pass, All Skins Purchased Account" to some lazy kid with more cash than dignity asap. They're the most organised since they've got cash in the game and are more likely to form communities and share info than the kiddy "I just wanna win!" cheater or the "lulz" cheater.
Imagine not having fun playing a game without winning. Getting good in "competitive" is half the fun
It's a bigger issue with 'winning' being glorified nowadays. There's way too much insecurity going around to not feel like 'if you're not winning, you're losing' (with the implication being that you're a loser)
C R O M U L E N C E 🧐
subtle trump dunk, yo
If you camp/spawn camp in a competitive shooter then you deserve your cpu melted/setup blown the fuck up
Condemned Olympics real
sadly the game is fucked up even for non-cheaters after the last update.
online gaming sucks these days
Fuck, this is so sad
people are really _THAT_ pathetic, huh...
multiplayer games were a mistake
What's the point in cheating fucking Fall Guys?
To annoy others? Ya can do that plenty with the game's mechanics alone. No need to cheat.
Gif is love 😍
ID tag cheaters use ID tag programs, playing on ID tag servers.
When you think abour cheating on the person you're with
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS SHIT! -Said the problem
make different mode with modifiers
So they decided to use EPIC's anti-cheat for this? Ugh. There goes Linux compatibility and me playing the game ever.