$100 Million Speedway DISASTER: What Went Wrong?

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  • Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
  • Eastern Creek Speedway was built in 2021 to replace Sydney's Valvoline Raceway, but the track that was originally only meant to cost $40 million, has blown out to more than double that figure.
    With a major list of defects, along with unreasonable contract conditions, the future of the track is uncertain to say the least.
    Link to Request for Proposal document, Q+A Addendums, Dust & $25,000 fine information
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    Western Sydney International Speedway Agreement for Lease Contract Information
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    Sprint Car Hub post confirming Eastern Creek Speedway Closure - September 14, 2023
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    Strategic Civil Facebook post about involvement in fixing drainage issues - September 14, 2023
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    Toby speaking with 2GB873’s Chris O’Keefe about ECS closure - September 14, 2023 (Segment starts from 1:25:44)
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    Toby featuring on 9 News Sydney story about ECS closure - September 15, 2023
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    Toby featuring on 7 News Sydney story about ECS closure - September 15, 2023
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    Daily Telegraph - Speedway season cancellation - September 15, 2023
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    Sydney International Speedway Virtual Room
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    Sydney Metro LinkedIn Post about new Speedway
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    Sydney International Speedway page on Sydney Metro website
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    Daily Telegraph - NSW Government commits to fully fund new Sydney Speedway site - October 25, 2019
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    Speedcafe article with Felicity - December 18, 2019
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    Daily Telegraph - Sydney Speedway: New Eastern Creek location to be announced - December 22, 2019
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    Daily telegraph story on new speedway plans - August 20, 2020
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    2GB 873 Sydney speaks with Andrew Constance, Felicity Waldron - October 22, 2019
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    Paul Scully contact details
    Email: wollongong@parliament.nsw.gov.au
    Phone: (02) 4226 5700
    Website: www.paulscullymp.com.au
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    Mick Holder on the return of SPEEDWAY BIKES in SYDNEY!
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    Eastern Creek Speedway - EXCLUSIVE UPDATE
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  • @jameslover012
    @jameslover012 9 месяцев назад +58

    Thanks Toby. You have exposed so many more problems than any of us could imagine. It's a complete nightmare.

  • @troycarnall7609
    @troycarnall7609 9 месяцев назад +80

    Thank you Toby for such an unbiased report on the whole situation.

  • @garrettfrancis1429
    @garrettfrancis1429 9 месяцев назад +80

    Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but here in the US , if the government wants a piece of land and a track is on it, for the most part they'll pretty much just take it and tell the track owner/promoter to go pound sand and the track is permanently gone with nothing to replace it. We have lost some great tracks because of government, and greedy/shady developers over the years. One of those being Ascot park in Gardena CA.

    • @peterbubb5811
      @peterbubb5811 9 месяцев назад +8

      The Mile in Syracuse NY is an example

    • @ribbonsofnight
      @ribbonsofnight 9 месяцев назад +11

      Doesn't it make you wish you had the NSW government,
      to give you a season of racing that only makes you wish you still had what you used to have.

    • @thewayidoit8895
      @thewayidoit8895 9 месяцев назад +10

      Garrett Francis, Your last two letters tell it all : CA

    • @thewayidoit8895
      @thewayidoit8895 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@peterbubb5811I never saw a race at the Syracuse mile. I've been to the track and walked around it several times. I know it was a storied place for Modifieds annual finale but it was much too long and fast. They tried running late models there but I understand that the speeds with horrific crash stopped that. The first time they ran late models on clay at Bristol it came down to attrition. Wheels broke, engines blew and chassis cracked. When they did it recently the cars had evolved to better handle it.

    • @garrettfrancis1429
      @garrettfrancis1429 9 месяцев назад

      @@ribbonsofnight yes, but won't be holding my breath.

  • @L4NG3R5_89
    @L4NG3R5_89 9 месяцев назад +37

    Brilliant insightful video Toby. It’s honestly hard to see this joint ever been viable for anybody to run, let alone the government fixing the mistakes made. I fear for the future of our sport and what it’s going to look like, but thankful you are at frontline fighting for us all Toby. Keep up the great work.

  • @michaelsonnon2333
    @michaelsonnon2333 9 месяцев назад +69

    Nice job Toby! This is a textbook example of what happens when government gets involved in anything.

    • @amraceway
      @amraceway 9 месяцев назад +18

      No, it is when governments don't listen to relevant people.

    • @getl0st
      @getl0st 9 месяцев назад

      The government is run by Imbeciles who could never get and keep a Job in the Real World...

    • @b.patrickreed8817
      @b.patrickreed8817 9 месяцев назад

      Too much government screws everybody! The only “fix”that will work is to vote out greedy politicians! Obviously, this track didn’t cost millions...where did the rest of the money go?

    • @davidvanderklauw
      @davidvanderklauw 9 месяцев назад +7

      No. It is what happens when most voters rote-vote their granddad's favourite party regardless of policy or outcomes.

    • @jasonmc4460
      @jasonmc4460 8 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@davidvanderklauwI didn't vote Liberal but personally I don't think it is just a a Liberal issue or even just government, we see these issues where the wrong person/s are put in charge without experience in the field. We all know someone like this, example: Cert 4 trainer and assessor with maybe a trade, then training something they have no skill or experience in, then our government wonders why standards go down.
      It was once a requirement to have trade experience before becoming an engineer in that field.

  • @watsisbuttndo829
    @watsisbuttndo829 8 месяцев назад +8

    That lease agreement is insane and reeks of under-the-table shennanigans.

  • @Mr_jz_12
    @Mr_jz_12 9 месяцев назад +5

    Not sure how i got recommended this video, as i'm more of a drift guy. But this was a well constructed video and im a motor head at heart. Got yourself a new subscriber!

    • @SprintCarHub
      @SprintCarHub  9 месяцев назад +1

      That's so awesome to hear!
      Thanks for watching and following along.
      I'm stoked that you enjoyed this vid!
      -Toby

  • @LongLiveTheChaz
    @LongLiveTheChaz 9 месяцев назад +8

    Great vid. Do any of the politicians over there hold stock in the companies that were rewarded the bid on constructing that $100m ??

  • @OllieYeMate
    @OllieYeMate 9 месяцев назад +21

    You've done very well on this video! Was wondering what was happening to the brand new track.

  • @stevenlegge6107
    @stevenlegge6107 9 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for informing us all exactly what's going on with Eastern Creek speedway. It truly is a very sade and disappointing situation

  • @geoffcurran3654
    @geoffcurran3654 9 месяцев назад +1

    Brilliant video Toby, thanks for revealing everything

  • @wizardwall1013
    @wizardwall1013 9 месяцев назад +5

    Hi Toby I have been speedway supporter for over 50 years and never heard of such a stuff up as this . I just hope it can be resolved in my opinion it’s very important to have a top class

  • @MetalMania3DTV-TAS-AUS
    @MetalMania3DTV-TAS-AUS 6 месяцев назад +1

    Speedway is Dying in Australia unfortunately 😢 lost so many tracks, Your doing a great job keeping it alive wishing you all the best 👍🇦🇺🤝🇦🇺😊👍😎

  • @21Preeny
    @21Preeny 9 месяцев назад

    Cheers for the Update Toby.
    such a shame.

  • @Blackbirdrod81
    @Blackbirdrod81 9 месяцев назад +9

    Boom. What a report by you Tony. A big congratulations on how articulate and easy you made it to understand whilst also giving further commentary and feedback.
    I have been once and I thought the place was crap. For starters, the paying public are jammed in to such a small space, you get that claustrophobic feeling.
    It is wishful thinking, but they should demolish it and start again.

  • @hawkifish
    @hawkifish 9 месяцев назад +7

    Man, this sucks! Great video as always Toby. I found one detail very interesting in that you broke down the number of hours of operation per year. That's an important detail in any track operation that most people probably don't think about.

  • @ruperterskin2117
    @ruperterskin2117 8 месяцев назад

    Right on. Thanks for sharing.

  • @regenmeister9646
    @regenmeister9646 9 месяцев назад +1

    You nailed it Toby ... "entire project has been a World Class Stuff-Up"

  • @sportsrewinddigital
    @sportsrewinddigital 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for sharing, quality insight to what is actually happening

  • @iamconio
    @iamconio 9 месяцев назад +2

    this needs to be sent to ICAC, $100million for THIS ? 15 floor apartment buildings dont cost this much to build

  • @OneIdeaTooMany
    @OneIdeaTooMany 8 месяцев назад +1

    I grew up in rosehill in the 90's and i dont know a lot about sprint car racing but even someone like me was able to look at the new speedway and think... gee that doesn't look anything like the old one.. there's something odd about it. Glad you mentioned it. I hope they just bite the bullet and built a new one exactly the way it should have been from the beginning

  • @backtothegrid3531
    @backtothegrid3531 9 месяцев назад +1

    I miss sitting on that grass hill at Valvoline with my dad, hot dog in hand, ethanol up my nostrils and ears bleeding from the 8-cylinder orchestra.

  • @johnstaring3210
    @johnstaring3210 9 месяцев назад +4

    I am so shocked at what I have just heard. One can only suspect something awfully corrupt has gone down here. Thank you Toby for bringing it to light. There needs to be an official inquiry held, and the relevant government department heads made to explain their total disregard for qualified advice and experience. How absolutely shameful. What you appear to have here is a track designed by a rank amateur who has never been to a single speedway meeting, and never had any interest in speedway either.

    • @N4CR5
      @N4CR5 9 месяцев назад

      Yeeah I bet some company made bank doing this who was of course not owned by someone in govt involved in this lol. I love when naive people say the west isn't corrupt.. it's worse than corrupt countries because they hide it better AND you can't get off some BS speeding fine slipping the cops a 50 dollar note.

  • @BillSmithBooks
    @BillSmithBooks 9 месяцев назад +8

    Wow, outstanding report.
    On top of all of numerous and preventable problems you outlined, the angle of the barriers going into the infield is a serious injury or fatal accident waiting to happen -- very possible that a driver could hit those concrete barriers head on at speed.

  • @nickmcnellis3937
    @nickmcnellis3937 9 месяцев назад +2

    Nice to know Australia takes sprint car racing just as serious as we do here in America.

  • @mattstevens6909
    @mattstevens6909 9 месяцев назад +1

    Amazing insight into what’s really going on with all the true facts

  • @seatslider
    @seatslider 8 месяцев назад

    Incredible! Such a shame ! Great video 👏🏻👏🏻

  • @sicon8540
    @sicon8540 9 месяцев назад

    Well researched and explained.👍

  • @XaviRonaldo0
    @XaviRonaldo0 8 месяцев назад +1

    Used to work at the Toll warehouse around the corner from the old speedway in Rosehill. Those roadworks are so annoying and cause such huge delays and they aren't even close to finished yet.
    TIL they closed down Tomago speedway 20 years ago

  • @Tom-mk7iq
    @Tom-mk7iq 9 месяцев назад +8

    Wow crazy stuff. I do like that the seating is close to the track and that the pathways are behind the seating. Once they get the track right, the mud hitting specators wont be a big issue. The solar panels made me laugh.

  • @Steve-gm2jl
    @Steve-gm2jl 9 месяцев назад

    great work Toby.

  • @reyneleesonmotorsport
    @reyneleesonmotorsport 9 месяцев назад +10

    outstanding video. breaks my heart to watch though. what an absolute gongshow.

  • @Giggleandscoot
    @Giggleandscoot 6 месяцев назад

    You dropped this mate, 👑

  • @codyjarvis
    @codyjarvis 9 месяцев назад +1

    This blows, but it’s mind blowing that they did anything for yall, our local fair ground track in the USA got torn down and they said they’d build a replacement and when we asked about it after the demo they told us to get bent.

  • @ethaneveleigh
    @ethaneveleigh 9 месяцев назад +2

    Your speaking for all of us good job Toby

  • @magpie334
    @magpie334 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks,from over here n the west we didn’t know much about this..

  • @rader1175
    @rader1175 5 месяцев назад

    Only thing I can add is I love being close to the track . Met Canadians at my track Williams Grove Pa. US, that drove down for that reason. In the third turn you can get right up to the fence , above the track , and its the best. Even being pummeled, we wear safety glasses or shields. And drink beer !!!

  • @PiDsPagePrototypes
    @PiDsPagePrototypes 8 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, this all makes the Thunderdome seem like a well thought out facility.

  • @user-kn7hw6bq2y
    @user-kn7hw6bq2y 9 месяцев назад

    Toby, you have done a fantastic job on this video, having been to the old Valvoline Speedway a few times I absolutely loved it. A great family atmosphere with fantastic entertainment. This is a sport that is truly family based, when you walk through the Pit area it was more Mum and Dad outfits with a few with pretty good corporate sponsors. The price of admission was good value, the food and drink stands well done and the entertainment non stop !!!! It is so frustrating, so sad to to see the old venue at Clyde shut down but what a great opportunity to build and develop "first class" facilities. You have to wonder if any of these naïve government officials have even bee to an event at the Speedway. I dare not comment on Constance for risk of being arrested lol and that would be for telling the truth. I am devastated by the waste of money, the heartache to all the competitors, and the loss of entertainment to the fans. It is hard to see how this will recover, I wish they had listened to the people who know, it could have been magnificent. You, however, have done a first class presentation, if I am this frustrated as a few times attendee I can only imagine how the promoters, fans and racers are feeling. I really hope for a resolution but I fear it won't be in my lifetime !!!!! Keep the fight going and I hope your enthusiasm and passion can bring about change, rest assured you will have my support as well as many others.

  • @lesmawson7298
    @lesmawson7298 9 месяцев назад +2

    This almost sounds like what happened over the last decade with was also supposed to be a world class operation by the name of “ Canadian Motor Speedway “...... at least you got the place built, our project got bound down with so much red tape, the operator basically said piss on it after spending about 100 million dollars... hopefully your track gets all the bugs worked out and everything is peachy!

  • @andrewprentice8857
    @andrewprentice8857 9 месяцев назад +3

    Toby, thanks for being such a strong advocate for (in particular) sprint car racing and (more generally) speedway racing in Australia.
    At this point, with all that money spent, I tend to think the best way to move forward is to try to correct the problems at the existing site.
    I don't think any government would countenance the complete scrapping of the development so it can move elsewhere.
    Just calling it how I see it.
    The whole Sydney thing is eclipsing the fact the Archerfield has now closed (something that was touted for decades before it happened) and no planning seems to have taken place for a new venue. If people are expecting private investment to pick this up, I think they are misguided. Any business case for a dirt speedway is likely to reveal that plenty of other investments will deliver a better return. Like it or not, lobbying of local, state and federal governments is the most likely way any new speedway can come to fruition. The only other option is for a consortium of interests (preferably with strong representation from Speedway Australia) to come together and use their passion for the sport to bring in the necessary funding from a range of investors. Naturally the investors need to be equally passionate for racing and not just looking for a healthy investment return.
    Sydney's case is rather different, I know. However, it seems the bed has now been made and we all have to sleep in it.

    • @DennosManCave
      @DennosManCave 9 месяцев назад

      The site won't move.
      They just need to fix the issues

    • @vaughanoke1059
      @vaughanoke1059 8 месяцев назад

      The Waldren's were wanting a deal that where the track was built it would be a successful venture, public transport, multiple entry points,, no dust issues etc. The government did not want to listen, so they walked away.

  • @jasonphillipjames
    @jasonphillipjames 9 месяцев назад +2

    Mate thanks for this video, great insight into the whole thing. Top 5 greatest speedways in the world to a shit show. Please keep pushing to get this right NSW need a speedway. Parramatta was the epicentre and I can’t believe they didn’t consult experts. I’ll buy and shirt and anything else you have available at the next classic 2024 if your there. Great video and insight. 👏

  • @peterscandlyn
    @peterscandlyn 9 месяцев назад +1

    Excellant piece. Bloody unbeliveable.

  • @brendanzadow5385
    @brendanzadow5385 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video. How did they get it so wrong 🤷‍♂️ good luck getting a new promoter. Speedway Australia need step up and clear the air

  • @gtomunro5670
    @gtomunro5670 9 месяцев назад

    Great job Toby , fancey that NSW Gov and Speedway Aust managed to screw it up didn't need a crystal ball for that .

  • @ajfmaughan
    @ajfmaughan 9 месяцев назад +8

    👏👏👏 Great video Toby very will put together and what a disgrace the whole project has been.

  • @brettjones4733
    @brettjones4733 8 месяцев назад +1

    Bring back Liverpool speedway 👍👍 spent my childhood there , great memories

  • @xaoskuntablast3354
    @xaoskuntablast3354 7 месяцев назад +1

    I can remember when Liverpool Speedway closed, It was not due to lack of races or lack of crowds wanting to watch, it was due to the NSW government having little to no interest in having tracks in Sydney. Oran Park, Amaroo Park, ect ect, In the 70s and 80s Sydney had multiple dirt and road circuit's all closed due to the lack of government support and in some cases government pressure to close ( in the case of Liverpool ). It's sad to say but the NSW government has no interest in supporting racing in their state.

  • @cousinjohncarstuff4568
    @cousinjohncarstuff4568 9 месяцев назад

    There was a nice dirt track in Royse City Tx in the middle of nowhere right off I-30 (North Texas Motor Speedway) It was torn down and now a school sits on the land. Another in Florida might face the same fate, (Cleetus Mcfarland Freedom Factory) empty farmland all around it, now the land has been bought and houses will be put right next to the property line of the track. Too many others to name.

  • @steveskrobot9496
    @steveskrobot9496 9 месяцев назад +1

    100 Million? Somebody pocketed a large chunk of the funding, because you should get a half decent equipped venue for that chunk of change! There needs to be an independent enquirey for major projects like this.

  • @Lana_Warwick
    @Lana_Warwick 7 месяцев назад +1

    @SprintCarHub Hi, did a great job detailing this, no doubt things will settle, eventually have to suck it, up like we did in WA, perhaps be considering additional content.
    Every State has experienced similar government bs over the years (not just speedway, all motor sport), maybe something you'd be interested in covering, comparing.
    Briefly as possible - Perth speedway was understandably relocated from the middle of residential, in the Perth show grounds (like the og Sydney speedway), however, it had a rail station at it's door.
    The new land is great (also where drags was relocated to) in the sense it's within the boundaries of Perth's largest Heavy industrial area (less whining about noise/dust), also land that was once caustic mud waste lakes after aluminium bauxite possessing (Alcoa), then covered/sealed with "clay".
    Like Eastern Creek, facility has great all in-one potential. Wanneroo Raceway (currently ~2hrs North), similar to Amaroo back in the day, resi has moved in, been getting complaints for years. But, similar design/access issues, government bs, budget blow outs, difficult for some to get to, 40min south, 10k's from rail, etc, etc.
    Cheers!

  • @terrygarvin1392
    @terrygarvin1392 7 месяцев назад

    Sad story. On a positive note an Aussie motorcycle rider came to the Baja Race and with little prep and never seeing the course ahead of time and Won! Congratulations.

  • @bakedbeings
    @bakedbeings 8 месяцев назад

    The Parra speedway was left to nature till well into this year too, I drive past it all the time.

  • @gillo8193
    @gillo8193 8 месяцев назад

    Nice vid. Watching it though I couldn’t help but think… Pointing out that experts should have been consulted for the speedways design and construction parallels what we are voting for on Saturday. Namely why you should be voting Yes.

  • @tkboyd8464
    @tkboyd8464 9 месяцев назад

    Don’t know why this video showed up in my suggestions, but man- I’m glad it did.
    Ronald Reagan had a famous line back in the eighties that fits this perfectly-
    “The scariest words ever uttered are ‘don’t worry. I’m from from the government, and I’m here to help.’”
    Subscribing from Kentucky in the States.

  • @lukestocks4370
    @lukestocks4370 9 месяцев назад +1

    As soon as you said Ashley Yelds.
    I knew it would be a cluster fuck.
    He can't even run a volvo workshop....

  • @TODDY_2_FINGERS
    @TODDY_2_FINGERS 9 месяцев назад +1

    These legends should have their crayons taken off them - they are not fit for purpose .....Fantastic video

  • @wobbles18au
    @wobbles18au 9 месяцев назад +6

    As sad and disappointing this whole debacle has become is it really a surprise? I mean there is not too many things politicians and their government department can get right.
    Great video TBB.

  • @donstevenson2660
    @donstevenson2660 6 месяцев назад

    Worldwide, the only thing you can count on is developers will take even the worst locations if they can take the price sky-high. RIP Oran Park!

  • @ldnwholesale8552
    @ldnwholesale8552 8 месяцев назад

    Toby, the only speedway I know with some infield lighting is Waikerie. And those are temporary lights. I have run every track in SA and S/W Victoria and no infield lights.
    Though most tracks have the lights higher and facing down onto the track. The rest I agree with.
    Thoug 6 hours a show. With a 10pm curfew that is max 3 hours unless they start mid afternoon. Most tracks have a 11pm curfew and many none at all. Warnambool as the prime example.

  • @petermorris709
    @petermorris709 9 месяцев назад +5

    This makes my blood boil with such a wasted opportunity to produce a fantastic venue having gone so terribly wrong. I shouldn't have laughed, but when you mentioned the solar panels a bit of wee came out. What is wrong with these muppets involved with this build, they need a right royal flogging. I'll be even more devastated for the NSW speedway community if I ever see it overgrown with grass and weeds 😠 Awesome presentation Toby

  • @FormulaKJ
    @FormulaKJ 8 месяцев назад

    I will join with everyone by saying thank you for such an insightful video

  • @gprich82
    @gprich82 6 месяцев назад +1

    $100 Million dirt circle with no amenities...that's what we in the good ole United States are very familiar with called a damn good money laundering opportunity for politicians.

  • @darkcase123
    @darkcase123 8 месяцев назад

    Mate 100%. My wife and I loved the old Valvoline raceway, we knew some of the drivers, we'd helped out occasionally at the track, we went to every major race, we took our first baby with us, always expected sprint cars to be a big part of our lives.
    Waiting for the new track was torture, and then when it finally opened we had to park ages away, my 2 year old did not enjoy the long walk, and once we found somewhere to sit at the track we were covered in so much hard clay. It was a nightmare, my second child hasn't even been to a sprint race, from that day we have pivoted to being an F1 family

  • @damiencooper1050
    @damiencooper1050 9 месяцев назад

    Great work Toby you’ve done yourself proud, as usual it’s the common man showing how bad politicians are

  • @waynewilliams839
    @waynewilliams839 9 месяцев назад

    Wow, motorsports fan for 60 years, work at Perris Auto speedway 27years, just feel real bad about that horrible situation.

  • @PhillipKew2003
    @PhillipKew2003 9 месяцев назад +1

    Well done.
    Just a question: Is there public transport near the speedway?? Train/bus stop.

  • @slowboat6021
    @slowboat6021 6 месяцев назад

    thanks Toby, sounds like a typical "bean counter" led project.
    "never done it before how hard could it be"

  • @stylesfamilyracing8537
    @stylesfamilyracing8537 9 месяцев назад +1

    Well done mate. Thankyou for the cudos and opportunity to help you with this one.
    Time the government took this seriously before it costs them any more money. The defects may be fixed but the fuck ups are everywhere.

    • @judd5899
      @judd5899 9 месяцев назад +1

      They need people that no about speedway to build one without these issue’s

  • @matt.ja90
    @matt.ja90 9 месяцев назад +1

    There are a lot of shortcomings and issues with the track and lease agreements, no doubt. But let's also remember, the government were under no obligation to offer to build a new $100m speedway either, were they?
    We can complain about that 'they didn't ask this person, didn't listen to that person'. This attitude does not change the scenario that is going on now. Understand the frustrations, but that's the fact.
    The first thing we should be asking in this instance is who has audited the defects and has the construction contractor completed the build to the accuracy required by the design. If not, then the construction contract will have clauses written to ensure they address the defects. If there are design flaws, then that is a case for the govt to take up with the consultant(s) responsible. These govt contracts are always written in a way where the responsibilities sit with those doing the project delivery to execute to the project scope.

  • @lilolme69
    @lilolme69 9 месяцев назад +2

    Now you know how I feel with the idiots in Texas! We had a track that was a huge failure, so what does someone do? They build one as close to the failure track as possible! Now the original one is torn down and the 'new' one only races a few times a year because it sucks.

  • @DennosManCave
    @DennosManCave 9 месяцев назад

    Insightful video. The govt certainly should have consulted those more expert in what the track would provide.
    The Light Horse Interchange location is moot though. There was never any reality of that site happening.
    I'm a motorsports fan, but a location like Lightehorse Interchange was always going to be reserved for commerical operations.
    As much as SMSP is a great track to drive, for parking and visitor attendance, the experience is terrible.
    Let's hope the drainage and the track itself gets fixed.
    Not sure how the parking is going to no fixed
    We should just be lucky that such facilitates are available close to major metro areas.
    I mean, Sandown in Melbourne is about to close to be turned into houses.

  • @jrandallmoore
    @jrandallmoore 9 месяцев назад

    It’ll be fine! What could possibly go wrong?

  • @mikespearwood3914
    @mikespearwood3914 9 месяцев назад +6

    What a disaster. And Brisbane doesn't have a local track anymore. What are they going to do now??

  • @lukehiggins4
    @lukehiggins4 9 месяцев назад

    “World class stuff up” perfectly said Toby.

  • @grahamhastie896
    @grahamhastie896 9 месяцев назад

    Great work Toby.....I really drives home the well known fact that the came is a horse...designed by Engineersl

  • @crustydemonracing
    @crustydemonracing 9 месяцев назад +1

    great video

  • @cyrilsomerville8211
    @cyrilsomerville8211 9 месяцев назад

    We have the same problem with our track, it's land lease from the Cape Town municipality.
    We need to buy our own land and build a new track on club private land.

  • @michaelcauser474
    @michaelcauser474 9 месяцев назад

    Heck. All I can do is to quote an old saying. "The clowns are well and truly running (destroying?) the circus."
    What a fiasco.

  • @mugsy8
    @mugsy8 9 месяцев назад

    It is just as bad in Queensland after the closure of Archerfield. Truly sad times for fans of the sport in our part of the world.
    They were supposed to do the same sort of thing and build a track at Willowbank but its all died in the ass and now there is no track near Brisbane either, so we have to go to Toowoomba.
    I have not seen an event since. I used to travel to NSW to see the good events at Parramatta but we can't do that anymore either.

  • @jrmitchell7133
    @jrmitchell7133 9 месяцев назад

    Listening to a podcast with Jim read about the Sydney dragway it didn’t go much better with that build either

  • @Triple7racing_nz
    @Triple7racing_nz 8 месяцев назад

    Wow, this is just a kick in the nuts. I dont even follow speedway and am not from Australia but I feel your pain. Australasian bureaucracy atm.

  • @stevegabbert9626
    @stevegabbert9626 9 месяцев назад

    Parramatta was going to be one of the tracks I HAD to see a race, when I came to Australia in 2015/16 for some racing action. Unfortunately, it rained a little too much while I was on the way there and they cancelled it that night. Crap! I had see articles in National Speed Sport News for decades that talked about the racing and was excited to see the racing. Why governments try to be the General Contractors, instead of finding the right, experienced people is beyond me. Building another Perth like venue, in the appropriate location, seems like a "no brainer". I can picture a special race, Coast to Coast Challenge, if that would have happened. Good luck mates.

  • @garyjones4001
    @garyjones4001 9 месяцев назад

    Good work mate

  • @donnybam2582
    @donnybam2582 7 месяцев назад

    ive never seen something so destroyed before great video and a shame .

  • @markusb2743
    @markusb2743 8 месяцев назад +1

    This the problem world wide, the government officials are so dumb, they think they know everything. It is so' frustrating to work with these dumb and arrogant people. they won't listen to any advice, because of corruption, they are too scared that they will be found out if they involve outside specialists. This goes for EVERYTHING they do. It's absolutely disgusting, the worst thing is if they got the help from outside specialists, the facility would have probably cost half of what they actually paid, and it would have been perfect, because the specialists would have looked and all other tracks and made everything better. The Architect's and Engineers should be sued.

  • @nattiedraws
    @nattiedraws 8 месяцев назад +1

    "we have no experience building a track, what could possibly go wrong?"

  • @Pablo668
    @Pablo668 9 месяцев назад

    Well, it's not every day that someone in NSW tells people in WA that they are doing something better than they are. I grew up here in Claremont. Where I am sitting atm is about 100 or so meters nw of where Claremont Speedway (the track) use to be. It was a fantastic venue and I was very sad to see it go. If I was god for a day I'd bring it back. The Kwinana Motorplex is ok though, built to purpose and the safety of patrons is way ahead of Claremont. Just not the same, but I guess it doesn't have to be.

  • @templetonchannel
    @templetonchannel 9 месяцев назад +1

    What a freaking disaster. Tragedy for the sport. The big question now; can it be fixed?

  • @Leotheleprachaun
    @Leotheleprachaun 5 месяцев назад

    100 million.....and here I thought Thunder Bay over-spent when they revamped our old track that was out of commission for 30+ years when they spent 9 million

  • @jamiebond9622
    @jamiebond9622 9 месяцев назад

    Wow. The level of ineptitude is outstanding. Even by NSW State government standards.

  • @MrBCRC
    @MrBCRC 6 месяцев назад

    Western Sydney Parklands Trust are one of the biggest sources problems with this whole thing. I'm involved due to work I did for one of the sub contractors working on an aspect of construction and have heard of a lot of the problems.
    Western Sydney Parklands Trust is often mentioned as the primary source of the problem.

  • @christopherwhull
    @christopherwhull 9 месяцев назад

    I do not know how as an american, who does focus on government project fuckery and dirt track racing did not see this earlier. I am always amazed how governments decide to take over things like minor league baseball parks, race tracks (horses and cars), and industrial parks and end up not providing the basic utility of the item they are implementing or replacing. I have seen industrial parks that semis cannot drive into without hitting every curb in sight. Or industrial parks with 24/7/365 operations next to bedroom communities. We in the US have just about every minor league ballpark replacing something suitable for 8k spending $15 bucks with something that has 4k in the crowd spending 45 bucks. The revenue never comes to the promoter, because the cities choices drives people away. We have horse race tracks built where the local community is close enough to the stables to smell the politics.
    Government official's are always in a condition where redos are allowed. Corporate officers get one chance at big capital expenditures, and if that fails are replaced. What you dont do in business is not spend 80% doing and redoing the planning with experts. and leaving 20% to construction experts in their field.
    Just in the drone shots, beyond just a 600 slot parking lot, correct lighting, lots of grandstands, a fence of the wrong type for TV and fans alike, lack of a flagstand and lack of central to the start finish line press box and something really strange about the lack of drying of dirt track, think you might have a civic counsel funded winner.
    How dare one want RV power poles for pit power?
    All this design stuff is easy, book a flight to Ohio and check out the sports dirt mecca, owned by an owner with a long history of corporate sponsors and who brought a race called the dream to fruition. Swing by Indianapolis and hit 2 tracks that have redone everything in sight in the past decade. What world class pits are (F1),and what good enough for NASCAR and Indycar. Not to say any of those are suitable for a sport that is always ran out of a back of a hauler. Perhaps the dust problems got the best of them once they settled on a location, and perhaps they convinced themselves the replacement must be under the control of the same people who demolished the old track.
    So do we think going another 15 miles out of town and building with setbacks from everything but farmland might have been a better solution. Perhaps drop 5 million on a set of long entry roads from at least 2 major highways. Having a paved parking lot for spectators is a collosal waste of money when gravel would have been better (bet we are back to dust and a drag strip), for a venue with less than 30 nights.
    The pushing all the racing into a superpark seems to be the epic mistake that happened under a government official and nobody could question putting a round peg into a very small square footprint.

  • @jasonmc4460
    @jasonmc4460 8 месяцев назад

    Well constructed video, I'm am not a Speedway fan either, but we all have family, friends and people we know that love it.
    Speedway fans should have got something better than they had, not worse, the stupidity of building it next to WSID alone tells everyone how out of touch the government was for both Speedway and drag racing, then to build a substandard complex not fit for purpose.
    Government needs to see this as an international tourism asset and start again in a position Speedway representatives want and a complex to rival the best Speedway track in Australia.
    Subscribed to see updates.
    I wonder what they could re-purpose the track layout for, if Speedway were to get what they deserve?

  • @bruceolsen9863
    @bruceolsen9863 9 месяцев назад

    Well put together Toby, BUT....where to now????...Caterpillars comes to mind.

  • @geoffreywilliambradley5015
    @geoffreywilliambradley5015 3 месяца назад

    They did that here in Perth wa
    Claremont speedway I haven’t
    been to the speedway since

  • @dadyo63
    @dadyo63 8 месяцев назад

    Well said brother ,cheers from nz

  • @Jimmcgregorphotography
    @Jimmcgregorphotography 9 месяцев назад +6

    Top stuff Toby, love you’re work mate. What an absolute shambles. Cudos to John and Kathy Kelly for holding on as long as they did. When is Australia going to wake up to both Labour and Liberal. It’s time to usher in a totally new government. One who is not lost at sea. The two major parties have gone troppo. We need to clean up and start again

    • @bobhemphut4011
      @bobhemphut4011 9 месяцев назад

      But all the lawyers go to the BAR. Maybe look into the BAR system... They serve the corporations, investors and the courts before they serve the people. They don't fear the people in Australia.. yall took covid on your knees!!! Bent down and kissed the hands that feed you...

  • @jeffhunter3299
    @jeffhunter3299 9 месяцев назад

    To get this up n running it seems we need someone with the ability of NRL’s Peter V’landys.

  • @dfiler2
    @dfiler2 6 месяцев назад

    Lots of valid complaints. To be fair though, building and outfitting a track during the pandemic, is a tall order. A lot of new facilities open while partially finished. I'm curious to see if the issues are resolvable and what they look in hindsight. The question is, is this a complete boondoggle or just your average mediocre management.