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Ryan do you guide the horse with body language like looking where you want to go and even steady legs when doing this exercise? I'm curious because some horses zig zag around with no direction from rider. Would you consider that insecurity?
@@wonderland5425 I was wondering about that aswell cause she does look wonky in hind end, her gate also looks almost tight, it also could be because she's not been worked in six months and all she's done is eat. I had horses where they'll get this funny walk in the rear after they've not been worked for sometime, I live in New Hampshire and we always get really good ice storms and mixed storms so we put them up for the winter and they don't get worked alot. Even with winter shoes we don't work them like we would durning other times of year, come spring time some of them will have that same walk and after a bit work that straightens out. I also noticed she was a bit chunky in that area and that could play a part aswell.
@@royalwolfimports355 thank you for shearing your thoughts. I feel something about her right hind leg, if you look closer in left turns in the trot, she sometimes reacts with her head, the moment she has to put weight on her right hindleg. After seeing it, I was putting my focus on this hind leg and then I got the impression that there could probably be an issue (muscles?). It is just a feeling...absolutely no hate.
I have a pony who has a very similar issue- way more go than whoa but my thing is she actually speeds up in her circles and I don’t understand how 😅the other thing she does that this mare did is always go to the exit and can’t walk a straight line. I’m not sure what her past was but most likely abused so I’m not sure to get that out of her head and realize thats not how it is anymore
I think she's an absolutely lovely mare. Having not been ridden or worked for around 6 months, she does look green but absolutely willing and kind. Working on her 'looking' and 'speeding up' with your methods of helping her come back and relax, she's going to be a star. I hope her owner is dedicated to setting up the partnership - I love this mare!
I agree 100 percent, and, as I said in my comment, you can't really speculate on how a rider will be as hangups, the same as horse's hangups take a long time in the making. I would be more than happy with this girl but I would be happy with any horse whether it's got a good or bad reputation. I have had 60 plus years experience and you never stop learning but I haven't met one I can't work with. Not today however as my back, for the first time in years is reminding me of how it felt to have a horse rolling over you!
Nice mare and worth keeping. Seems a bit green, but she seems to have a good brain! Her owner has a great opportunity to really learn from this mare. Having the right help for the pair should have a great outcome! Glad to hear she decided to move forward with a trainer! Would love an update in the future! Lucky owner with this one!!
Beautiful horse and happy to hear the owner is going to work with her with proper training. As a confident beginner I just got a OTTB, mare rescue from Texas. Everyone thought I was crazy and said this horse is going to hurt me. She is forward with a excellent whoa. If I do beginner mistakes and confuse her she stops and waits for proper instructions. We are both in training and we are going to make a awesome team.
I got a gelding OTTB and he was the best horse I ever had took ribbons in dressage and was an excellent trail horse and he taught me how to be smooth and fearless♥️
I'm seeing a horse I think needs an intermediate rider. Not a kid or a still-learning beginner. She's a very attractive mare, I like her, but I think she has more go than whoa in her and if the owner needs a flat-broke, bomb-poof kids horse to feel safe on, I think this mare is just a click or two above that.
I think she’s ok for intermediate rider but not beginner or kid horse. She’s appears to be a little nervous, and probably spooky out on the trail. Miserable ride for beginner. They usually fall off. I had a bombproof bay quarter horse gelding for my 7 year old daughter. I rode him first few days on trail, I tried to make him spook!! Dead quiet. Riding in the pen is a lot different than riding out in the woods/trail. Very nice looking mare. Thank you Ryan. 😊
She’s very pretty and a bit headstrong, so I definitely agree training is in order for both the owner and the horse. She’s a work in progress but she seems willing to learn so with time she may be everything her owner wants her to be. Thanks for another informative and fun video.
My very first impression is that she was ridden hard and fast with a really rough hand. She is fearful and just wants to get away. Hard for a beginner to retrain this horse to trust people. Just my first impression.
I am by no means experienced, but found myself wondering what she was previously taught too and possibly that she was taught to keep moving and at a quick pace.
That horse has a big personality that shows right through the YOuTube screen. She looks very loveable. Just needs to be appreciated. As a dog trainer, I always think its the humans that need to be trained. With horses, people talk about training the horse, but it doesn't seem all that different. Horses do get older and more experienced. I see humans get better with their dogs, too. People learn.
I think this is the perfect advanced beginner/intermediate horse. It's so common in the English world to get weekly ridding lessons, but less common in the western world it seems, in my opinion, all this horse needs is a rider who would take regular riding lessons. Because most intermediate riders prefer a horse with a little more go, so just getting one's riding ability caught up with this mare would be the best scenario. When this rider improves their skill just a little, they will wish they kept her. Intermediate horses last the longest, begginer(more whoa than go) horses can often get kinda boring.
Agree with you. Investing in lessons is time and money well spent for BOTH horse and rider. I, however, prefer a horse with "go" than one without it. Without learning skills, any rider is sunk.
Wanna hear something kinda stupid… 😁 I play Red Dead Redemption 2. The horse mechanics are mind blowing!!! As someone who rode, showed and trained greenies on a welsh pony farm from 7yrs old to 23yrs old, then helped various friends with too many horses to keep fit, from fox hunting to reining, having to stop riding 10 years ago was big sad making! Someone told me about the RDR horse and y’all! You can even hear them chewing their bit and breathing over your shoulder, into your ear! It’s the craziest thing, but I swear, Equine therapy 101! 😆 ANYhoo! They have an algorithm that gives the horses 1 of 3 or 4 different personalities. It’s a luck of the draw kinda thing. There’s a grulla mustang I had to have. (Again, stupid, I know…) When I got it, I got the solid citizen, no spook, broke right out of the barn personality. Sadly, I also got the lazy part. Omgosh it was PAINFUL! It literally reminded me of the ponies we had that just sat and ate grass while the kid did everything in its power to make it go. Nope. Nuthin doin. 🤣 Good thing was my legs weren’t sore from all the squeezing, but my thumb got sore from mashing the go button so much. I gave it a few days before I sold it back for a Gypsy Cobb. Got all the good personality this time, but it actually GOES! I mean for real, this is my down time to relax! 😂 Just for the crazy 🤯 of it, you should look up Red Dead Redemption 2 horse design. They even put a green motion capture suit on a horse to get everything right! 7 years of designing went into everything! 🤯Fair warning, you may look up 3 hours later, not realizing where the time went!
I would keep her regardless of my abilities. People want a very lazy horse in the beginning but get pretty sick of that when they get more confidence. I think if you teach them how to handle her then she will be amazing when they want to do more energetic work later on.
I've watched a lot of your videos, everything you do is always amazing but this I think is the single most brilliant video I've found of yours at least for me. Thankyou for your gems of wisdom
@@equestrianartmia Mindset is a very big part of horsemanship. I'm glad to hear that you understand that. I've spent nearly an entire lifetime learning about horses and I only wish I had a second lifetime to learn some of the many things I don't know yet although I was sure I knew it all when I was barely in my teens. Funny how that works 🤔😉
I dont think she would be a great kids horse or very beginners horse. But as someone has already said an able beginner. Someone who is confident and not afraid to ride. I think they would make a good team. Also with a riding instructor present.
She looks stiff through her right rear leg. Has she been checked for damage at the attachment sites of her patella? Her tail is a little high as well. I'm wondering if she has a deep tissue damage in her hind end or and injury near her coccygeal vertebrae. She seems totally content when standing and willing to go, so it could be pain causing her to handle different.
I was wondering the same! But thinking chiropractor pelvic and shoulder type issues I.e being short & tight on one side, long & over stretched on the other…
She's lovely, although it's very slight, I think 'some' of the speeding up and balance issue is she is stepping a little short, off side hind and with the quick views in video from behind looks like, off side hip is slightly higher and tail often sits to the right as well, her preference in the video, is to always turn right. But of course I've only seen less than 8 minutes of riding. No offense intend with my comments. I really enjoy your videos and use a lot of the same tools.
i have had a horse like this for the last 6 years. Very right brained extrovert and I am a left brained extrovert so its been a challenging match. I am either fearless or stupid and she has been a challenge for me. I've been using these techniques since I've been a patron and i am finally seeing some confidence and consistency. She blows out now early in the ride especially if I ride her without a bit. But, no, seeing she is older, I don't think this would be a wise choice at all for a non confident rider. The other thing Ive had to do is be very aware of my legs, riding 'bull legged" and not squeezing with my legs has helped her a lot, but this has been a huge change in my habits as instinct says to hold on with your legs when the horse goes faster. And that leads to wrecks! Thanks Ryan, I need to watch this a lot. Very helpful.
What a wonderful horse! I feel if you can get her to listen and rely on the rider, you can get everything from her. She is so willing and kind. I also think that some kind of a regular schedule and work would be really good for to get her brain to relax and not worry so much.
Idrk , I think it's all abt how much she's going to be worked , if she's worked like every other day I think she could become a bit slower while if she's just worked like 3 times a month maybe not the best horse for the owner.
The first time you asked her to trot and she started trotting faster was when I questioned if she would be good for a beginner. When I'm evaluating horses for beginners I like to see how they react if the rider loses their balance, accidentally hits them with one or both legs, holds on with both legs or grabs the horse a little in the mouth. I think she might be okay for an advanced beginner with some training but it's hard to tell without testing her reactions to all of the above.
Also to consider, some peeps are just jumpy and nervous in personality, I would not pair one of those humans with this kind of horse. However if someone is new but more level headed and calm, they might be fine just by being told these exercises to do since the horse seems to respond to them nicely. I would not pair this kind of horse with kids though, I feel like a slow moving 'lazy' horse is best for kids.
Thank you for pointing these things out. I do these things when evaluating horses for most people, but especially for beginners. I evaluate a lot of potential trail horses and fox hunters (the English version of a trail horse lol). I always check out how they respond with balance issues, too much leg both right and wrong placement. If horse has been safe in an arena, I ride out in an open field too. It still surprises me when well trained safe horses lose their minds out of the arena. With these types of potential horses, I evaluate how they respond to dogs, a whip cracking and a gunshot too but that's not something arena horses deal with.
Very attractive mare. I think she needs a more trained human to take her further. That could be a beginner but then with professional guidance and a program.
I wouldn't say that she was unsound maybe uncomfortable in her rear end she might just need an eqine chiropractor but to say that she is unsound is really mean because I'll bet you a million dollars he has these horses vet checked before he takes them on. Be careful what you say
@@lisawilson3360 Relax, Karen. I’m hardly accusing the man of anything. I like him, I like how he trains, I like his kind nature. There’s really no need to get upset.
I am taking English riding lessons after a long break, but somehow these videos ended up on my timeline. He uses so many principles of dressage here. Especially getting the horse to bend through the rib cage, relax her head, and engage her hindquarters. Horsemanship is horsemanship.
I got my first horse when I was 10. She was a 2yr old "mongrel" and green broke. I taught her English + Western. I had been riding for a couple of years when I got her. I've only had one other horse as easy to train. (I'm a proud boomer)
In my opinion, it’s more about the confidence of the owner (rider) rather than horse. A confident rider can overcome even difficult times with a horse, but take away the confidence and fear can take over the rider. Once you lose your confidence it can be difficult to get it back…not impossible of course, but choosing a gentle slower horse was key for me. I had a rather unfortunate horse accident that landed me in ICU for a time and I never recovered my confidence totally…there was always a nagging tension that I never over came 😥
Same happened to my friend. She got a little too excited over getting a horse, and got one that was a bit too much for her, I didn't have a problem, but she got more and more nervous and having negative experiences with the horse, until she got bucked off and fractured her back. She was out of the game for over a decade (didn't even want to visit the stables, which was incredible sad when I finally had my own horse, and missed just having her around, like I wasn't even going to pressure her to ride, I just wanted her there to talk and mess around like old times) Anyway, she one day shifted from being afraid, to remembering all the fun, and missing that. So we went to an open day, where you rented a horse for an hour, and let her take her time to just sit in the saddle again. She was shaking and crying (I have it on video for her to remember how tough she actually is) and the horse was more than happy to just stand still. She eventually walked around on the lead and had a good experience. We both went back to riding classes, which went not as great for her, when the horse started running off with her. She had to change to a larger horse, which was a little more scary, but turned out to be the best thing, as he didn't care. He had absolutely no interest in running, so when the other horses went off, my friend froze, and he just looked at the stupid horses rushing away, and kept his lazy walk. Which helped her find so much more safety again. I don't know if she will ride again, but at least she know that she can, she just needs to be on the laziest horse. 😉
I was too confident and complacent, standing up with locked knees (keep them bent lol) in the stirrups, forward moving Australian Stock horse spooks with a big sideways move, I ended up with one leg under his belly lol 2nd sideways jump tossed me 3 metres, broken shoulder, ribs, broken nose Didn't knock me out 🤣 my horse stood looked at me for a while as I was rolling yelling obscenities, then walked himself home, my friends called the ambulance.
That’s a trainers horse. Not a babysitter. It’s unfair to expect her to be a babysitter. She needs a confident alert trainer rider to gain her confidence and follow a leader. As an older more confident horse THEN she can carry beginners. She’s gorgeous. I’m a trainer and I’d take her in a heartbeat…but then again I’ve got land and she’d never be stalled or unridden but I’ve got land to scout and fencing to check.😊
I'm 2 min in..... if you're asking about a "kids horse".... i see it the same as a beginner horse that'll safely plunk around anywhere the person wants to go, in no hurry and you know they'll be safe. And so far she's at least an intermediate horse.... okay, back to watching
Because this mare worries even under Ryan, she is not a beginner's horse. For the horse's sake, she would do better with an intermediate rider willing to stay in training with this horse OR an experienced rider so that this mare can have the best start and end up being a good solid horse.
And PLEASE make sure you have the owner or someone that gets nervous ride the horse as well. I have had accidents in the past and get nervous and trainers tend to sell horses based off how they behave with THEM. It's very frustrating for people like me and then they act like I am the problem when the horse is that way to begin with in regards to a nervous rider but they don't know that because they don't get nervous. (I have been riding well over 30 years and have broke horses ect ect over the years and have done natural horsemanship methods for years so I do have plenty of experience). Unfortunately those of us that have fear tend to freeze or clamp our legs so even if you get this horse doing what she should be doing under a rider that doesn't get nervous that doesn't mean she's not going to react when the nervous rider gets on. It's easy for trainers to tell us to not be nervous or to do this or do that but more than likely even if the horse does well with the owner immediately following this with you it's not going to eliminate whatever issues the owner has that quickly and it will just revert back to what was happening in the first place. We get nervous, our horse reacts to that and they end up in the pasture because we come up with 1000 excuses not to ride. If there is even a question sell this horse and find something more suitable. Been there done that....didn't want to give up on the horse, didn't want to give up on myself and all the while everybody just saying cowboy up like it's not a big deal and all the while it gets worse and worse to the point I almost gave up horse. Again I say, sell the horse and find something they look forward to riding!!!
I am late to watching this..but right now I am thinking she is too much for a beginner. Would love to see more of your videos. Just found your channel.
Beautiful mare, at this stage she definitely need to be ridden by a self confident experienced rider. Unfortunately the problem can not always be with the horse, many times the problem is with the owner/rider who need training. Just my 2c
I don't think this is a child's horse. I think a more experienced rider could do more for her. I would think she would just resort to anxious behavior with an inexperienced rider.
👍 after watching the vid, I'd say she'd be good for an advanced beginner, def not an entry level rider. She seems rather sensitive and an entry level rider may sour her.
I think for a beginner, no way too risky Obviously need to be confident as you are to know how to direct her energy Release of pressure at the correct time and so on
You asked for our opinions on when we thought she wouldn't be suitable for a child or novice rider, for me I thought around 8.35 when she really sped up at the trot and would've gone into canter. That would be pretty nerve wracking for someone inexperienced, to have a horse take charge and hoon off without being asked. But with more education or with someone confident who can ride her through those things, I think she will be great
I don’t think she’s a kids horse at this stage but with some work I think she could be. She doesn’t look mean in any way. She seems like she’ll be a fine match for just about anybody someday very soon. She just needs some work. She’s a little chubby, looks to me like she hasn’t missed any meals.
The mare is beautiful and she could be ok with a beginner if the beginner is not a nervous rider. Both horse and rider would benefit from some training together as others have suggested. Great video Ryan
This was my first time watching one of your videos and I LOVE how you stop in parts to better explain what all is going on. Really good video! I subscribed! :)
I'm two minutes and change into the video. No, she is not kid or beginner friendly, BUT she looks like a fantastically fun horse. Intelligent and sensitive. Athletic and a buck skin (I may be partial...). I'll take her!
In my opinion the horse looks like a #7 in energy. With some consistent training I believe the horse could become a #5 in energy. I do believe that the unconfident rider could develop a good relationship with this horse with professional support. For me as an older rider, I really want to know the guts of my my horse when under pressure, in the wind, or or sudden change of environment. Fitness is extremely important for the rider, when my horse becomes emotional on the trail, and I'm not comfortable with his energy, I get off and lead walk until we both recover. My horse knows me so well and I know him so well, that, at times I can sense that he suggest I get off and recovery for a spell. When his eyes return to normal, and his ears are relaxed I get back on for success. I am fit enough to walk as long as needed. I think the owner should give a go.
I really like her. What a beautiful mare and attitude. She will be a gem. She just needs a little time, training and patience. She’s obviously intelligent, and a quick learner. Wishing the best for her and her owner.
Thanks Ryan, love your work. I have an anxious mare, she was ridden fast and hard campdrafting(not by me). An excellent cutter too. At a cutting clinic the trainer said I would have to work her down for at least 1/2hr before being able to have her settled. Using techniques similar to this (learned from others as well as you), I was determined to prove him wrong 😅 so with me working on groundwork and teaching her to chill, within weeks she could safely do team penning and ranch sorting with me without "working her down" The next time we went to the trainer he was amazed at the difference, and someone who'd seen her campdrafting couldn't believe she was the same horse. Her gift to me has been to teach me to stay in the saddle confidently when working cattle in cutting, team penning and ranch sorting, and believe me, at first I was getting left way behind 😂😂 lucky I at least stayed on top, the 1st video was hilarious 😂😂
I think she’s excited to be worked again and get to know her new owner, and she loses her head a little bit because of it. Aww!! Lessons, consistent riding, and these two will pair up. There are a shit ton of “ho-hum” horses out there. This is a mare who is intelligent, engaged, and excited to be in work… she is going to be an AWESOME partner with the right thinking and training. You need help to learn to understand a great horse if you have never had one before. It can make you feel like you don’t know how to ride, or you have a bad horse. Lessons with someone who likes and understands the horse!
Until you said something about her knowing how to move in a balanced way, I didn’t even notice how she was carrying herself, just her attitude and speed. I haven’t ridden in maybe 11-12 years, but sheesh! big duh on my part right there… 🤦🏻♀️🙄🤓 I’m sure you hear it all the time, but man, if I could go back about 30-35 years and have a do-over, knowing then what I’ve seen and heard at this point in life… 😕 I don’t even ride or have horses anymore but you have me hanging on your every word! 😁 So glad I found your channel!
Beautiful horse❣️ But a horse who wants to be on the move. Could she be a kid's 🐴, sure, w/more training. I trust your evaluation, even if I'm wrong. I 🤔 💬 to myself "would I put my 8yr old granddaughter on her, no. So right now, I have to go w/not a kid's 🐴 just yet.💞✌️
you mentioned she came from ranch work - WHERE HER JOB WAS TO FOLLOW CATTLE - the ranch hands often just allow their mounts to follow or walk wherever they want until a particular cow needs to be headed back to herd or a particular corral. That is also where the trotting out may come from. She just wants training.
Gorgeous mare. ALL Quarter Horse. She does not have a confident/calm relationship with anyone, yet - a #1 horse requirement! The human is the place to start. Treating her AS a Quarter Horse who appears to be talented, and not as a "pet" nor as "when it's convenient to be involved with her" ARE jobs #1. and #2. To the owner, either "get after it with her" or find someone who will.
Not kids horse...Not beginner, either. She's been a working ranch horse...yes? She's educated. Your methods are interesting I like this mare... she's a doer. Of course letting her sit for six months is NEVER a good idea.......for any horse for that matter.
She seems to have a very open mind. Even though she may get nervous she doesn't seem to really fight you when you redirect her. I think she needs a lot of exposure and confidence building, but she could work for a confident beginner once she's just a bit more confident in herself
In my whole horse life, over 60 years, I have always had the lightest hands as pulling on the mouth creates problems. I think she looks intelligent and willing to learn, but that is me and I only care about how horss are with me now that my kids are grown up. Not knowing how competent or incompetent the future riders are isn't something you can just speculate in terms of whether a horse will be safe or not. Unless it's a worn down schoolmaster, is any horse safe in totally inexperienced hands? And even the riding school pony will take advantage if the rider is clueless enough. Although I am British, I do tend to ride one handed like you and with little or no pull on the mouth, I suppose its neck reining, if I understand it correctly, I have never, since childhood, had heavy reliance on the mouth as your seat and legs are what you should be using.
I think theres not enough emphasis on the theory of riding and why bending, as an example is important. Too much practical and not enough theory makes people who think they know about horses but don't.
Unfortunately, she seems more novice vs kid. imo, confirmation and mindset seem to be the newer type of QHs vs the early 70's and ranch ridden means she likes a job / action / movement. but will wait to end of vid and see you take. thx 4 educating / sharing, blessings n keep riding!!
She's a great horse. I believe she'll be fine with regular riding and some lessons. Definitely not a kids horse though. I have a barrel racing, cow eating, bossy horse. He's 18 and wants to go go go. We turn a lot. My son does that rhein grab, shorten thing. The horse does get higher and faster lol. Ugh, gotta love the speed demons. He will probably never be a kids horse. Thanks so much I enjoy learning from you!
She seems like the perfect horse to learn more horsemanship skills on. Looks like an “up to the rider” type of horse if they want to work on their skills to learn how to help the horse relax. But that can’t happen with a rider that’s not confident. You don’t need all the skills in the world to ride this mare, just confidence and leadership. If her owner/rider chooses to raise her confidence and skills, I think they will make a great team. That’s a beautiful horse. Look at that big ol butt! I’m 7 min in or so and she looks willing to learn. I say go for it girl! You have access to a great teacher/trainer. You’re in good hands. I bet in a couple weeks of daily rides, you’ll be wondering why you were wondering if she’s okay for you. You got this. Happy trails and bonding with your beautiful horse.
I agree with you. This is one of those situations where finding the balance between recognizing where the horse is at, then the rider understanding feel well enough to know when to help the horse out BEFORE trouble starts. I've been in this same situation with my OTTB and thank God for my trainer, Evan Bonner, who has figured out my learning needs so I can cowgirl up over the right things, and lay off where it's not necessary. Definitely tough situation, and you demonstrated perfectly! Thanks for a great learning video! Super nice looking mare!
Well.. I grew up with crazy horses as a kid and me and my cousins learned to use this to make fun. Nothing like those fast crazy forest rides or crazy showjumping classes. The horses had fun eares pinned forward and ofc vet checked and cleared. Those are my best childhood memories! I think its just a matter of the horses personality, is it grumpy biting and kicking those things its not a childhorse but just kind fun sporty and a tad crazy I believe the kid is just learning. I noticed people not having that teaching from a horse often quits out of boredom or getting scared when the horse says boo.
My uncle--a great horse trainer and a very wise man--used to say, "The age of the child and the age of the horse should add up to 21." Just think about it.
A horse I had was an ex race horse trained to speed. Worked alot on long rides walking and relaxing before I even picked up to trot. We could do 2 to 3 hours just walking in nature where he had to check his feet and choose the best path to go. That helped alot with his speed issue. Also jumping series of low obstacles so he had to focus on his footing instead of speed and also walking and trotting over logs so he got more mindful of his speed and feet position. He was a standardbread trotting racer so trotting meant fast and straight for him in the beginning. But making him mindful of the ground and make hood choices where and how fast his feet moved helped him get over his speed issue.
So many horses end up at rescues just because they need skilled training....The better she gets the more chance she has for a good adoption. Those running "Horses Therapy operations "always use older, quiet horses for safety.....
I would personally keep this horse. All she needs is guidance. Maybe not the best for a beginner or a novice rider. Maybe doing some liberty work with her - helps with her thinking as well I personally don't see this horse as a problem. I had a MUCH harder horse than this to ride than this. (Like bucking at times when excited) She is much more settled and easy to answer to what you want These are the kind of horses that help you learn and teach you things too
Gorgeous mare! But I'd say not for a beginner - only because most beginners give a horse wrong signals. Most beginners are better off with a very experienced horse that can accept mistakes from their rider, imo.
This is a question of whether the rider is willing to be part of a program that will help her problem solve to address issues. You have tools for light handle and control. But that's not the approach for most people who do what you say...hold the reins and holdback..often out of fear. How old is this mare? Who did the original work on her? That's part of the puzzle. The issue too is that she is just trail riding this horse with other horses, then she will have different issues to address. One other idea. As she doesn't appear to be a made horse, and has good forward motion, you could consider removing your spurs. You may not be touching her with them, but for your viewers, it could help them know more about how to avoid adding pressure that they should not.
I would say it depends on the kid. If they have experience and a competitive nature she might be a good fit. She is forward and seems to need a patient, knowledgeable partner who won’t fault her for needing to be warmed up, kept focused and kept in some sort of work. She’s very pretty and athletic 😊
powerful arse on her, indicating she's been well trained previously to "use herself" in a powerful controlled manner...rider may not be as "game" as this mare is, eh.
OK I am not going to cheat and hears your input at end. When you said that you were keeping her on this side of trouble I think at this point in this gorgeous mare's career she would not work for a beginner rider, especially a beginner who is timid and who is afraid of a horse with go. Perhaps after being in training for a while and the beginner having lessons they could have a good partnership. OK, I will now continue to see what you said. BTW I learn a lot from you.
I'd ride her. She looks like a nice little mare with a few more wet saddlebls let's and having her rider supported for a while. FWIW, I'm was an intermediate to advanced rider, when I was riding. Haven't been on the back of a horse in yrs tho
Lovely work! I still have a mare that was like this - I no longer ride but have trained dogs for 20 years. Some of your comments are so on point eg ask questions the animal can say yes to…
Hey Ryan U have been watching your videos and today when I went to see my horse I tried it on her and it worked! Hopefully next time I see her she won’t be stubborn.
She’s looking for a new rider that won’t boss her up!😂. My guess is she has too much go for an inexperienced rider. We’ll see by the end of the video what the answer is!
I think that since it's you that's draining her, that she can become a great horse for anyone. You are so amazing with your training techniques I just love how you take away their hind and their hindquarters and it really works like I never heard of it before I saw you and it is amazing how wonderful it works I think that you could have that Mare trained in a couple days maybe sooner but as a child's horse I don't know I'm going to have to see it till the end but she is a beautiful Mare and has great potential that's absolute thank you again for sharing I just love watching you train I never ever get bored as a matter of fact I believe you could train anything
I think she will be fine with her owner with some practice and she could probably be fine with most riders who have some experience. I'm not sure I would put a child or beginner on her. She seems like she has great potential though!
She’s very nice but being she has a stronger will and a big motor she might be too intimidating for a less experienced rider. The horse might take advantage. Perhaps under a trainer with her it could work but maybe something quieter would be a better choice
Lovely mare but not for a beginner. Her self-preservation is high and if the rider lacks experience or decisiveness then the mare will take up the alpha role to protect herself. I am guessing she is a fairly high-ranking mare within the herd but recognises and respects a leader. Given the right rider they would make a formidable team with trust very high on the list of essentials.
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Ryan do you guide the horse with body language like looking where you want to go and even steady legs when doing this exercise?
I'm curious because some horses zig zag around with no direction from rider. Would you consider that insecurity?
Is there a hindleg issue she has?
@@wonderland5425 I was wondering about that aswell cause she does look wonky in hind end, her gate also looks almost tight, it also could be because she's not been worked in six months and all she's done is eat.
I had horses where they'll get this funny walk in the rear after they've not been worked for sometime, I live in New Hampshire and we always get really good ice storms and mixed storms so we put them up for the winter and they don't get worked alot.
Even with winter shoes we don't work them like we would durning other times of year, come spring time some of them will have that same walk and after a bit work that straightens out.
I also noticed she was a bit chunky in that area and that could play a part aswell.
@@royalwolfimports355 thank you for shearing your thoughts. I feel something about her right hind leg, if you look closer in left turns in the trot, she sometimes reacts with her head, the moment she has to put weight on her right hindleg. After seeing it, I was putting my focus on this hind leg and then I got the impression that there could probably be an issue (muscles?). It is just a feeling...absolutely no hate.
I have a pony who has a very similar issue- way more go than whoa but my thing is she actually speeds up in her circles and I don’t understand how 😅the other thing she does that this mare did is always go to the exit and can’t walk a straight line.
I’m not sure what her past was but most likely abused so I’m not sure to get that out of her head and realize thats not how it is anymore
I think she's an absolutely lovely mare. Having not been ridden or worked for around 6 months, she does look green but absolutely willing and kind. Working on her 'looking' and 'speeding up' with your methods of helping her come back and relax, she's going to be a star. I hope her owner is dedicated to setting up the partnership - I love this mare!
agreed
Great minds think alike!
Me too
I agree 100 percent, and, as I said in my comment, you can't really speculate on how a rider will be as hangups, the same as horse's hangups take a long time in the making. I would be more than happy with this girl but I would be happy with any horse whether it's got a good or bad reputation. I have had 60 plus years experience and you never stop learning but I haven't met one I can't work with. Not today however as my back, for the first time in years is reminding me of how it felt to have a horse rolling over you!
Nice mare and worth keeping. Seems a bit green, but she seems to have a good brain! Her owner has a great opportunity to really learn from this mare. Having the right help for the pair should have a great outcome! Glad to hear she decided to move forward with a trainer! Would love an update in the future! Lucky owner with this one!!
Definitely
Beautiful horse and happy to hear the owner is going to work with her with proper training. As a confident beginner I just got a OTTB, mare rescue from Texas. Everyone thought I was crazy and said this horse is going to hurt me. She is forward with a excellent whoa. If I do beginner mistakes and confuse her she stops and waits for proper instructions. We are both in training and we are going to make a awesome team.
Girl, I'm right there with you on my OTTB too! Takes a special rider and owner to understand them!
So glad to hear your horses are blessed with people who get them! ❤
I got a gelding OTTB and he was the best horse I ever had took ribbons in dressage and was an excellent trail horse and he taught me how to be smooth and fearless♥️
Just watching her walk I would not feel comfortable putting a kid/beginner rider on her. Safety first! Great video!
I'm seeing a horse I think needs an intermediate rider. Not a kid or a still-learning beginner. She's a very attractive mare, I like her, but I think she has more go than whoa in her and if the owner needs a flat-broke, bomb-poof kids horse to feel safe on, I think this mare is just a click or two above that.
I think she’s ok for intermediate rider but not beginner or kid horse. She’s appears to be a little nervous, and probably spooky out on the trail. Miserable ride for beginner. They usually fall off. I had a bombproof bay quarter horse gelding for my 7 year old daughter. I rode him first few days on trail, I tried to make him spook!! Dead quiet. Riding in the pen is a lot different than riding out in the woods/trail. Very nice looking mare. Thank you Ryan. 😊
She’s very pretty and a bit headstrong, so I definitely agree training is in order for both the owner and the horse. She’s a work in progress but she seems willing to learn so with time she may be everything her owner wants her to be. Thanks for another informative and fun video.
She’s excited to be ridden and loses her focus a little because she is so eager. After no work for a while, It’s a sign of an awesome horse!! ♥️♥️
My very first impression is that she was ridden hard and fast with a really rough hand. She is fearful and just wants to get away. Hard for a beginner to retrain this horse to trust people. Just my first impression.
I am by no means experienced, but found myself wondering what she was previously taught too and possibly that she was taught to keep moving and at a quick pace.
That horse has a big personality that shows right through the YOuTube screen. She looks very loveable. Just needs to be appreciated. As a dog trainer, I always think its the humans that need to be trained. With horses, people talk about training the horse, but it doesn't seem all that different. Horses do get older and more experienced. I see humans get better with their dogs, too. People learn.
I think this is the perfect advanced beginner/intermediate horse. It's so common in the English world to get weekly ridding lessons, but less common in the western world it seems, in my opinion, all this horse needs is a rider who would take regular riding lessons. Because most intermediate riders prefer a horse with a little more go, so just getting one's riding ability caught up with this mare would be the best scenario. When this rider improves their skill just a little, they will wish they kept her. Intermediate horses last the longest, begginer(more whoa than go) horses can often get kinda boring.
Agree with you. Investing in lessons is time and money well spent for BOTH horse and rider. I, however, prefer a horse with "go" than one without it. Without learning skills, any rider is sunk.
Wanna hear something kinda stupid… 😁 I play Red Dead Redemption 2. The horse mechanics are mind blowing!!! As someone who rode, showed and trained greenies on a welsh pony farm from 7yrs old to 23yrs old, then helped various friends with too many horses to keep fit, from fox hunting to reining, having to stop riding 10 years ago was big sad making! Someone told me about the RDR horse and y’all! You can even hear them chewing their bit and breathing over your shoulder, into your ear! It’s the craziest thing, but I swear, Equine therapy 101! 😆
ANYhoo! They have an algorithm that gives the horses 1 of 3 or 4 different personalities. It’s a luck of the draw kinda thing. There’s a grulla mustang I had to have. (Again, stupid, I know…) When I got it, I got the solid citizen, no spook, broke right out of the barn personality. Sadly, I also got the lazy part. Omgosh it was PAINFUL! It literally reminded me of the ponies we had that just sat and ate grass while the kid did everything in its power to make it go. Nope. Nuthin doin. 🤣 Good thing was my legs weren’t sore from all the squeezing, but my thumb got sore from mashing the go button so much.
I gave it a few days before I sold it back for a Gypsy Cobb. Got all the good personality this time, but it actually GOES! I mean for real, this is my down time to relax! 😂
Just for the crazy 🤯 of it, you should look up Red Dead Redemption 2 horse design. They even put a green motion capture suit on a horse to get everything right! 7 years of designing went into everything! 🤯Fair warning, you may look up 3 hours later, not realizing where the time went!
You understand how horses think and feel. It is amazing to see you evaluate a horse!
Thank you 🙏
I would keep her regardless of my abilities. People want a very lazy horse in the beginning but get pretty sick of that when they get more confidence. I think if you teach them how to handle her then she will be amazing when they want to do more energetic work later on.
She is a big, solid horse but hasn't done anything dangerous. Experienced rider...or maybe a talented, confident junior.
I've watched a lot of your videos, everything you do is always amazing but this I think is the single most brilliant video I've found of yours at least for me.
Thankyou for your gems of wisdom
Some horses are like Border Collies and just thrive with a well defined job and purpose in life
Not a beginner horse.
Agree
She could be with some training but only for a confident beginner.
@@equestrianartmia Mindset is a very big part of horsemanship. I'm glad to hear that you understand that. I've spent nearly an entire lifetime learning about horses and I only wish I had a second lifetime to learn some of the many things I don't know yet although I was sure I knew it all when I was barely in my teens. Funny how that works 🤔😉
I dont think she would be a great kids horse or very beginners horse. But as someone has already said an able beginner. Someone who is confident and not afraid to ride. I think they would make a good team. Also with a riding instructor present.
She looks stiff through her right rear leg. Has she been checked for damage at the attachment sites of her patella? Her tail is a little high as well. I'm wondering if she has a deep tissue damage in her hind end or and injury near her coccygeal vertebrae. She seems totally content when standing and willing to go, so it could be pain causing her to handle different.
I agree with this. She also carries her tail high. Seems uncomfortable.
I was wondering the same! But thinking chiropractor pelvic and shoulder type issues I.e being short & tight on one side, long & over stretched on the other…
She looks lame at the trot - further assessment for neuromuscular issues are def warranted
She's lovely, although it's very slight, I think 'some' of the speeding up and balance issue is she is stepping a little short, off side hind and with the quick views in video from behind looks like, off side hip is slightly higher and tail often sits to the right as well, her preference in the video, is to always turn right. But of course I've only seen less than 8 minutes of riding. No offense intend with my comments.
I really enjoy your videos and use a lot of the same tools.
i have had a horse like this for the last 6 years. Very right brained extrovert and I am a left brained extrovert so its been a challenging match. I am either fearless or stupid and she has been a challenge for me. I've been using these techniques since I've been a patron and i am finally seeing some confidence and consistency. She blows out now early in the ride especially if I ride her without a bit. But, no, seeing she is older, I don't think this would be a wise choice at all for a non confident rider. The other thing Ive had to do is be very aware of my legs, riding
'bull legged" and not squeezing with my legs has helped her a lot, but this has been a huge change in my habits as instinct says to hold on with your legs when the horse goes faster. And that leads to wrecks! Thanks Ryan, I need to watch this a lot. Very helpful.
Just a question since you’re a channel patron: is Ryan a trainer that goes by the sides of brain and intro/extrovert stuff?
I was going to subscribe and donate through Patreon but I got my comment deleted or blocked, I didn't say anything bad.
Beautiful horse and glad to hear the owner decided to continue to work with her. Love your videos and always informative!
Not a beginners horse. I had a barn of 30. You have to know what you are doing
What a wonderful horse! I feel if you can get her to listen and rely on the rider, you can get everything from her. She is so willing and kind. I also think that some kind of a regular schedule and work would be really good for to get her brain to relax and not worry so much.
Idrk , I think it's all abt how much she's going to be worked , if she's worked like every other day I think she could become a bit slower while if she's just worked like 3 times a month maybe not the best horse for the owner.
The first time you asked her to trot and she started trotting faster was when I questioned if she would be good for a beginner. When I'm evaluating horses for beginners I like to see how they react if the rider loses their balance, accidentally hits them with one or both legs, holds on with both legs or grabs the horse a little in the mouth. I think she might be okay for an advanced beginner with some training but it's hard to tell without testing her reactions to all of the above.
Also to consider, some peeps are just jumpy and nervous in personality, I would not pair one of those humans with this kind of horse. However if someone is new but more level headed and calm, they might be fine just by being told these exercises to do since the horse seems to respond to them nicely. I would not pair this kind of horse with kids though, I feel like a slow moving 'lazy' horse is best for kids.
Thank you for pointing these things out. I do these things when evaluating horses for most people, but especially for beginners.
I evaluate a lot of potential trail horses and fox hunters (the English version of a trail horse lol). I always check out how they respond with balance issues, too much leg both right and wrong placement. If horse has been safe in an arena, I ride out in an open field too. It still surprises me when well trained safe horses lose their minds out of the arena.
With these types of potential horses, I evaluate how they respond to dogs, a whip cracking and a gunshot too but that's not something arena horses deal with.
She rides more like my horse than any I've seen so far. Super helpful to watch Ryan work with her. Thanks!
Very attractive mare. I think she needs a more trained human to take her further. That could be a beginner but then with professional guidance and a program.
She needs an experienced, confident rider right now. Also, she doesn’t look sound in my opinion.
Yes, maybe some stickyness in her hind end?
I wouldn't say that she was unsound maybe uncomfortable in her rear end she might just need an eqine chiropractor but to say that she is unsound is really mean because I'll bet you a million dollars he has these horses vet checked before he takes them on. Be careful what you say
@@lisawilson3360 Relax, Karen. I’m hardly accusing the man of anything. I like him, I like how he trains, I like his kind nature. There’s really no need to get upset.
I am taking English riding lessons after a long break, but somehow these videos ended up on my timeline. He uses so many principles of dressage here. Especially getting the horse to bend through the rib cage, relax her head, and engage her hindquarters. Horsemanship is horsemanship.
I got my first horse when I was 10. She was a 2yr old "mongrel" and green broke. I taught her English + Western. I had been riding for a couple of years when I got her. I've only had one other horse as easy to train. (I'm a proud boomer)
In my opinion, it’s more about the confidence of the owner (rider) rather than horse. A confident rider can overcome even difficult times with a horse, but take away the confidence and fear can take over the rider. Once you lose your confidence it can be difficult to get it back…not impossible of course, but choosing a gentle slower horse was key for me. I had a rather unfortunate horse accident that landed me in ICU for a time and I never recovered my confidence totally…there was always a nagging tension that I never over came 😥
Same happened to my friend.
She got a little too excited over getting a horse, and got one that was a bit too much for her, I didn't have a problem, but she got more and more nervous and having negative experiences with the horse, until she got bucked off and fractured her back.
She was out of the game for over a decade (didn't even want to visit the stables, which was incredible sad when I finally had my own horse, and missed just having her around, like I wasn't even going to pressure her to ride, I just wanted her there to talk and mess around like old times)
Anyway, she one day shifted from being afraid, to remembering all the fun, and missing that. So we went to an open day, where you rented a horse for an hour, and let her take her time to just sit in the saddle again.
She was shaking and crying (I have it on video for her to remember how tough she actually is) and the horse was more than happy to just stand still. She eventually walked around on the lead and had a good experience.
We both went back to riding classes, which went not as great for her, when the horse started running off with her. She had to change to a larger horse, which was a little more scary, but turned out to be the best thing, as he didn't care.
He had absolutely no interest in running, so when the other horses went off, my friend froze, and he just looked at the stupid horses rushing away, and kept his lazy walk.
Which helped her find so much more safety again.
I don't know if she will ride again, but at least she know that she can, she just needs to be on the laziest horse. 😉
@@Galemor1 What a journey for you both! I can relate to her fear 😞. Thank you for your (and her) story.
I was too confident and complacent, standing up with locked knees (keep them bent lol) in the stirrups, forward moving Australian Stock horse spooks with a big sideways move, I ended up with one leg under his belly lol
2nd sideways jump tossed me 3 metres, broken shoulder, ribs, broken nose
Didn't knock me out 🤣 my horse stood looked at me for a while as I was rolling yelling obscenities, then walked himself home, my friends called the ambulance.
That’s a trainers horse. Not a babysitter. It’s unfair to expect her to be a babysitter. She needs a confident alert trainer rider to gain her confidence and follow a leader. As an older more confident horse THEN she can carry beginners. She’s gorgeous. I’m a trainer and I’d take her in a heartbeat…but then again I’ve got land and she’d never be stalled or unridden but I’ve got land to scout and fencing to check.😊
This is not a kids horse, maybe an older kids horse, but she is lovely. I'd take her in a minute!
I'm 2 min in..... if you're asking about a "kids horse".... i see it the same as a beginner horse that'll safely plunk around anywhere the person wants to go, in no hurry and you know they'll be safe. And so far she's at least an intermediate horse.... okay, back to watching
Because this mare worries even under Ryan, she is not a beginner's horse. For the horse's sake, she would do better with an intermediate rider willing to stay in training with this horse OR an experienced rider so that this mare can have the best start and end up being a good solid horse.
Your channel is so inspirational and your a very good trainer and thanks for always giving tips!!!!!
And PLEASE make sure you have the owner or someone that gets nervous ride the horse as well. I have had accidents in the past and get nervous and trainers tend to sell horses based off how they behave with THEM. It's very frustrating for people like me and then they act like I am the problem when the horse is that way to begin with in regards to a nervous rider but they don't know that because they don't get nervous. (I have been riding well over 30 years and have broke horses ect ect over the years and have done natural horsemanship methods for years so I do have plenty of experience). Unfortunately those of us that have fear tend to freeze or clamp our legs so even if you get this horse doing what she should be doing under a rider that doesn't get nervous that doesn't mean she's not going to react when the nervous rider gets on. It's easy for trainers to tell us to not be nervous or to do this or do that but more than likely even if the horse does well with the owner immediately following this with you it's not going to eliminate whatever issues the owner has that quickly and it will just revert back to what was happening in the first place. We get nervous, our horse reacts to that and they end up in the pasture because we come up with 1000 excuses not to ride. If there is even a question sell this horse and find something more suitable. Been there done that....didn't want to give up on the horse, didn't want to give up on myself and all the while everybody just saying cowboy up like it's not a big deal and all the while it gets worse and worse to the point I almost gave up horse. Again I say, sell the horse and find something they look forward to riding!!!
I am late to watching this..but right now I am thinking she is too much for a beginner. Would love to see more of your videos. Just found your channel.
Beautiful mare, at this stage she definitely need to be ridden by a self confident experienced rider. Unfortunately the problem can not always be with the horse, many times the problem is with the owner/rider who need training.
Just my 2c
I don't think this is a child's horse. I think a more experienced rider could do more for her. I would think she would just resort to anxious behavior with an inexperienced rider.
Yes, too much for a timid rider. I like her though. She's sensitive and has great energy. 🙂
👍 after watching the vid, I'd say she'd be good for an advanced beginner, def not an entry level rider. She seems rather sensitive and an entry level rider may sour her.
I think for a beginner, no way too risky
Obviously need to be confident as you are to know how to direct her energy
Release of pressure at the correct time and so on
You asked for our opinions on when we thought she wouldn't be suitable for a child or novice rider, for me I thought around 8.35 when she really sped up at the trot and would've gone into canter. That would be pretty nerve wracking for someone inexperienced, to have a horse take charge and hoon off without being asked. But with more education or with someone confident who can ride her through those things, I think she will be great
I don’t think she’s a kids horse at this stage but with some work I think she could be. She doesn’t look mean in any way. She seems like she’ll be a fine match for just about anybody someday very soon. She just needs some work. She’s a little chubby, looks to me like she hasn’t missed any meals.
The mare is beautiful and she could be ok with a beginner if the beginner is not a nervous rider. Both horse and rider would benefit from some training together as others have suggested. Great video Ryan
This is a georgeous mare and has great potential! With additional training for both horse and rider, I feel you have a WINNING TEAM!!!
This was my first time watching one of your videos and I LOVE how you stop in parts to better explain what all is going on. Really good video! I subscribed! :)
I'm two minutes and change into the video. No, she is not kid or beginner friendly, BUT she looks like a fantastically fun horse. Intelligent and sensitive. Athletic and a buck skin (I may be partial...). I'll take her!
In my opinion the horse looks like a #7 in energy. With some consistent training I believe the horse could become a #5 in energy. I do believe that the unconfident rider could develop a good relationship with this horse with professional support. For me as an older rider, I really want to know the guts of my my horse when under pressure, in the wind, or or sudden change of environment. Fitness is extremely important for the rider, when my horse becomes emotional on the trail, and I'm not comfortable with his energy, I get off and lead walk until we both recover. My horse knows me so well and I know him so well, that, at times I can sense that he suggest I get off and recovery for a spell. When his eyes return to normal, and his ears are relaxed I get back on for success. I am fit enough to walk as long as needed. I think the owner should give a go.
I really like her. What a beautiful mare and attitude. She will be a gem. She just needs a little time, training and patience. She’s obviously intelligent, and a quick learner.
Wishing the best for her and her owner.
I think if the beginning rider has a trainer, who knows proper techniques, & teaches it to the beginner or youth over 8 years old.
She’s needing a job and consistency.
She will be fine with more time. Looks like a great horse.
Thanks Ryan, love your work.
I have an anxious mare, she was ridden fast and hard campdrafting(not by me). An excellent cutter too. At a cutting clinic the trainer said I would have to work her down for at least 1/2hr before being able to have her settled. Using techniques similar to this (learned from others as well as you), I was determined to prove him wrong 😅 so with me working on groundwork and teaching her to chill, within weeks she could safely do team penning and ranch sorting with me without "working her down"
The next time we went to the trainer he was amazed at the difference, and someone who'd seen her campdrafting couldn't believe she was the same horse.
Her gift to me has been to teach me to stay in the saddle confidently when working cattle in cutting, team penning and ranch sorting, and believe me, at first I was getting left way behind 😂😂 lucky I at least stayed on top, the 1st video was hilarious 😂😂
She's beautiful. Unfortunately, not a beginner horse.
I think she’s excited to be worked again and get to know her new owner, and she loses her head a little bit because of it. Aww!! Lessons, consistent riding, and these two will pair up. There are a shit ton of “ho-hum” horses out there. This is a mare who is intelligent, engaged, and excited to be in work… she is going to be an AWESOME partner with the right thinking and training. You need help to learn to understand a great horse if you have never had one before. It can make you feel like you don’t know how to ride, or you have a bad horse. Lessons with someone who likes and understands the horse!
Until you said something about her knowing how to move in a balanced way, I didn’t even notice how she was carrying herself, just her attitude and speed. I haven’t ridden in maybe 11-12 years, but sheesh! big duh on my part right there… 🤦🏻♀️🙄🤓
I’m sure you hear it all the time, but man, if I could go back about 30-35 years and have a do-over, knowing then what I’ve seen and heard at this point in life… 😕 I don’t even ride or have horses anymore but you have me hanging on your every word! 😁 So glad I found your channel!
Beautiful horse❣️ But a horse who wants to be on the move. Could she be a kid's 🐴, sure, w/more training.
I trust your evaluation, even if I'm wrong. I 🤔 💬 to myself "would I put my 8yr old granddaughter on her, no. So right now, I have to go w/not a kid's 🐴 just yet.💞✌️
you mentioned she came from ranch work - WHERE HER JOB WAS TO FOLLOW CATTLE - the ranch hands often just allow their mounts to follow or walk wherever they want until a particular cow needs to be headed back to herd or a particular corral. That is also where the trotting out may come from. She just wants training.
Gorgeous mare. ALL Quarter Horse. She does not have a confident/calm relationship with anyone, yet - a #1 horse requirement! The human is the place to start. Treating her AS a Quarter Horse who appears to be talented, and not as a "pet" nor as "when it's convenient to be involved with her" ARE jobs #1. and #2. To the owner, either "get after it with her" or find someone who will.
Not kids horse...Not beginner, either. She's been a working ranch horse...yes? She's educated. Your methods are interesting I like this mare... she's a doer. Of course letting her sit for six months is NEVER a good idea.......for any horse for that matter.
She seems to have a very open mind. Even though she may get nervous she doesn't seem to really fight you when you redirect her. I think she needs a lot of exposure and confidence building, but she could work for a confident beginner once she's just a bit more confident in herself
In my whole horse life, over 60 years, I have always had the lightest hands as pulling on the mouth creates problems. I think she looks intelligent and willing to learn, but that is me and I only care about how horss are with me now that my kids are grown up. Not knowing how competent or incompetent the future riders are isn't something you can just speculate in terms of whether a horse will be safe or not. Unless it's a worn down schoolmaster, is any horse safe in totally inexperienced hands? And even the riding school pony will take advantage if the rider is clueless enough. Although I am British, I do tend to ride one handed like you and with little or no pull on the mouth, I suppose its neck reining, if I understand it correctly, I have never, since childhood, had heavy reliance on the mouth as your seat and legs are what you should be using.
I wouldn't put a beginner on her (yet).. .. prolly an experienced intermediate.. JMO
So helpful! I’m going to try this with my speedy gelding. Thank you!
She’s a beautiful man just give her a chance she’s fine with adults . I’ve only watched 10 minutes of this video though . Thank you Ryan , Ross.
I think theres not enough emphasis on the theory of riding and why bending, as an example is important. Too much practical and not enough theory makes people who think they know about horses but don't.
Unfortunately, she seems more novice vs kid. imo, confirmation and mindset seem to be the newer type of QHs vs the early 70's and ranch ridden means she likes a job / action / movement. but will wait to end of vid and see you take. thx 4 educating / sharing, blessings n keep riding!!
I think the horse IS a good fit for an able beginner; it's not just the horse who needs to learn!
She's a great horse. I believe she'll be fine with regular riding and some lessons. Definitely not a kids horse though.
I have a barrel racing, cow eating, bossy horse. He's 18 and wants to go go go. We turn a lot. My son does that rhein grab, shorten thing. The horse does get higher and faster lol. Ugh, gotta love the speed demons. He will probably never be a kids horse.
Thanks so much I enjoy learning from you!
She seems like the perfect horse to learn more horsemanship skills on. Looks like an “up to the rider” type of horse if they want to work on their skills to learn how to help the horse relax. But that can’t happen with a rider that’s not confident. You don’t need all the skills in the world to ride this mare, just confidence and leadership. If her owner/rider chooses to raise her confidence and skills, I think they will make a great team. That’s a beautiful horse. Look at that big ol butt! I’m 7 min in or so and she looks willing to learn. I say go for it girl! You have access to a great teacher/trainer. You’re in good hands. I bet in a couple weeks of daily rides, you’ll be wondering why you were wondering if she’s okay for you. You got this. Happy trails and bonding with your beautiful horse.
I agree with you. This is one of those situations where finding the balance between recognizing where the horse is at, then the rider understanding feel well enough to know when to help the horse out BEFORE trouble starts. I've been in this same situation with my OTTB and thank God for my trainer, Evan Bonner, who has figured out my learning needs so I can cowgirl up over the right things, and lay off where it's not necessary. Definitely tough situation, and you demonstrated perfectly! Thanks for a great learning video! Super nice looking mare!
This is the kind of horse who will make a rider of you,if you live.
Well.. I grew up with crazy horses as a kid and me and my cousins learned to use this to make fun. Nothing like those fast crazy forest rides or crazy showjumping classes. The horses had fun eares pinned forward and ofc vet checked and cleared. Those are my best childhood memories! I think its just a matter of the horses personality, is it grumpy biting and kicking those things its not a childhorse but just kind fun sporty and a tad crazy I believe the kid is just learning. I noticed people not having that teaching from a horse often quits out of boredom or getting scared when the horse says boo.
My uncle--a great horse trainer and a very wise man--used to say, "The age of the child and the age of the horse should add up to 21." Just think about it.
A horse I had was an ex race horse trained to speed. Worked alot on long rides walking and relaxing before I even picked up to trot. We could do 2 to 3 hours just walking in nature where he had to check his feet and choose the best path to go. That helped alot with his speed issue. Also jumping series of low obstacles so he had to focus on his footing instead of speed and also walking and trotting over logs so he got more mindful of his speed and feet position. He was a standardbread trotting racer so trotting meant fast and straight for him in the beginning. But making him mindful of the ground and make hood choices where and how fast his feet moved helped him get over his speed issue.
So many horses end up at rescues just because they need skilled training....The better she gets the more chance she has for a good adoption. Those running "Horses Therapy operations "always use older, quiet horses for safety.....
The horse would relax much better without spurs, without a curb bit [a snaffle is so much kinder and less painful], and praise.
I would personally keep this horse. All she needs is guidance. Maybe not the best for a beginner or a novice rider.
Maybe doing some liberty work with her - helps with her thinking as well
I personally don't see this horse as a problem. I had a MUCH harder horse than this to ride than this. (Like bucking at times when excited)
She is much more settled and easy to answer to what you want
These are the kind of horses that help you learn and teach you things too
Gorgeous mare! But I'd say not for a beginner - only because most beginners give a horse wrong signals. Most beginners are better off with a very experienced horse that can accept mistakes from their rider, imo.
This is a question of whether the rider is willing to be part of a program that will help her problem solve to address issues. You have tools for light handle and control. But that's not the approach for most people who do what you say...hold the reins and holdback..often out of fear. How old is this mare? Who did the original work on her? That's part of the puzzle. The issue too is that she is just trail riding this horse with other horses, then she will have different issues to address. One other idea. As she doesn't appear to be a made horse, and has good forward motion, you could consider removing your spurs. You may not be touching her with them, but for your viewers, it could help them know more about how to avoid adding pressure that they should not.
I would say it depends on the kid. If they have experience and a competitive nature she might be a good fit. She is forward and seems to need a patient, knowledgeable partner who won’t fault her for needing to be warmed up, kept focused and kept in some sort of work. She’s very pretty and athletic 😊
I notice that a lot of the horses you work with are MARES!……….jus sayin…LOL
powerful arse on her, indicating she's been well trained previously to "use herself" in a powerful controlled manner...rider may not be as "game" as this mare is, eh.
I think the owner and this mare need to be worked with more together. Would make both feel better.
OK I am not going to cheat and hears your input at end. When you said that you were keeping her on this side of trouble I think at this point in this gorgeous mare's career she would not work for a beginner rider, especially a beginner who is timid and who is afraid of a horse with go. Perhaps after being in training for a while and the beginner having lessons they could have a good partnership. OK, I will now continue to see what you said. BTW I learn a lot from you.
I'd ride her. She looks like a nice little mare with a few more wet saddlebls let's and having her rider supported for a while. FWIW, I'm was an intermediate to advanced rider, when I was riding. Haven't been on the back of a horse in yrs tho
I don't know horses well but I do dogs.
When training I always say "set them up for success" too🙂
Lovely work! I still have a mare that was like this - I no longer ride but have trained dogs for 20 years. Some of your comments are so on point eg ask questions the animal can say yes to…
Hey Ryan U have been watching your videos and today when I went to see my horse I tried it on her and it worked! Hopefully next time I see her she won’t be stubborn.
You don’t give her a chance to think about what you have just taught her..? Wouldn’t that help her get comfortable.? I’d love a horse with that energy
Beautiful mare. I think the owner has to cowgirl up and get some help, preferably from you. ❤
She’s looking for a new rider that won’t boss her up!😂. My guess is she has too much go for an inexperienced rider. We’ll see by the end of the video what the answer is!
I think that since it's you that's draining her, that she can become a great horse for anyone. You are so amazing with your training techniques I just love how you take away their hind and their hindquarters and it really works like I never heard of it before I saw you and it is amazing how wonderful it works I think that you could have that Mare trained in a couple days maybe sooner but as a child's horse I don't know I'm going to have to see it till the end but she is a beautiful Mare and has great potential that's absolute thank you again for sharing I just love watching you train I never ever get bored as a matter of fact I believe you could train anything
I think she will be fine with her owner with some practice and she could probably be fine with most riders who have some experience. I'm not sure I would put a child or beginner on her. She seems like she has great potential though!
She’s very nice but being she has a stronger will and a big motor she might be too intimidating for a less experienced rider. The horse might take advantage. Perhaps under a trainer with her it could work but maybe something quieter would be a better choice
Lovely mare but not for a beginner. Her self-preservation is high and if the rider lacks experience or decisiveness then the mare will take up the alpha role to protect herself. I am guessing she is a fairly high-ranking mare within the herd but recognises and respects a leader. Given the right rider they would make a formidable team with trust very high on the list of essentials.
She’s gorgeous and compliant. I think with the rider getting training herself she could really enjoy this mare who seems like she’d be a fun horse.