welcome back friends for another video - didn't forget you!🥳 Making a video to articulate controversial stuff takes time to think through and I don't just want to just speak from a predictably 'Chinese viewpoint'. let me know what you think of the video! edit: to all muslim friends who reminded me to not have the Quran reading as background music - apologies! I wasn't aware of this and I just thought it sounds beautiful. I'll be mindful of that in future videos!
The first mosque didn't have moon and crescent nor did it have a dome, moon and crescent came from ottoman empire, dome was built only because when you do azan the noise can echo and be heard clearly,
Does it matter if the first mosque had a dome or crescent? Prayer can be performed out in the open , but these domes n crescents did develop n sort of became part of Islamic culture n identity Why is the majority Buddhist or confucinist are scared of these domes , It's a start that takes place from domes to dress code then to food , that's how you erase a culture religion n language but it's not gonna help China in general to take hold of Africa Asia n Middle East People are already tired n sick of America n European They want China n China wants them too but at home China is scare of similar looking Chinese who happens to be Muslims What happened to Muslims in Yunnan ? Read about it , they were hustling n bustling a beautiful city more patriotic n chinese than one can think of They were destroyed to pieces in 24 hours Forced to eat pork wear non Islamic clothing n more than 1600 killed 4000 houses destroyed cuz these peaceful Buddhist couldn't see them thrive rapidly.
Thank you for sharing the Chinese first-person point of view. Now allow me to share the strictly-Muslim point of view about Islam in China, especially from a highly respected scholar. Maybe this will enrich your understanding on the issue : ruclips.net/video/IflvQUDO9LU/видео.html
You will find Muslims rushing at you advising or somehow you feel they are lecturing you. I want to make it easy if it offends you or somehow looks strange for you. Actually for Muslims Islam is the best thing happened to them even if they have less money or more money but life after death for Muslims is eternal life. Some strive very hard for it or some may not but by belief all of them want to be forgiven by Allah and ultimately enter into Paradise. They truly want to share this best thing with you so you can live a happy and eternal life after death and for us Muslims if we could become source of hadayah for anyone it will be benifit to us so that is the actual purpose behind so much excitation from Muslim Brothers and Sisters. I truly wish you a very happy life here and after death as well. ALLAH Kareem!
in Indonesia we have the Cheng Ho Mosque, which is a mosque with Chinese architecture, the mosque was built to honor a Chinese Muslim admiral named Cheng ho (Zheng He) who spread Islam in Southeast Asia.
@@SimingLan In this case, the Indonesian government should demolish the Chinese designed mosque and build an Indonesian style mosque. Because the Chinese are doing the same.
@@thelatai5792 Well there is no specific mandatory architecture design when it comes to a mosque so it is pointless for them to do that. Mosque just has to point toward black cube in Mecca and no idol or statue inside it. Thats it.
@@thelatai5792 Yes, they can if they want. Chinese don't care about how other countries' people deal with their buildings. They can bomb it or adapt it into other styles. In the same way, Chinese gov can decide independently what a Chinese mosque should look "Chinese", which is none of your business.
@@yuzhang7657 govt. decided independently? 😄 who is ownar of chaina? People or Government? Mosque is the property of muslim, not of your f*u*c*king govt
When I was a Child, I lived in the Hui Autonomous Region(Chan He district, Luoyang City), and my neighbors were Muslims. They would put up Spring couplets like us, but theirs were green. There were many beef shops on the street, and I loved their food. Living there for 13 years, can you imagine the Chinese government's policy towards minorities？the district government is a Muslim building, has a Muslim church and Eid festival, and our district president is a Hui Muslim.😊😊😊
"Can you imagine the Chinese government's policy towards minorities" 😂😂. I mean are you getting paid by the government? I mean China always does this, they have this group of bots and people dedicated to preserving the image of China on a international stage. Still i will assume you are saying the truth about you living with muslims. But if your above statement about the so called "behaviour of Chinese government towards minorities" is true then i would like to listen your thoughts about the uyghur muslim minority in the east turkistan region, which China annexed and renamed it as xinxang province of its country. Chinese policies towards minorities, oppress them, force them into producing goods for China, rip off their culture and religion, put them in concentration camps, force them into marrying Chinese family to make them forget about their religion by forcing them into Chinese culture, ban them from acquiring religious education, ban them from teaching quraan, ban them from wearing niqab and burkha and jilbab;in a leaked video they were literally cutting women clothes because they were too long, men were detained for praying and reading quraan, they were forced to drink alcohol during Ramadan and are also banned from fasting. And don't come and say that these are lies because we have evidences of the abuse, leaked documents about the victims present in the camps, actual witnesses of the people who escaped the Chinese oppression. May Allah make it easy for the oppressed uyghur people. Stay firm, indeed your lord will reward you. And InshaAllah we will free you from these oppression.
Chinese Muslims don't necessarily look Arabic or dress in the Arabic traditional style, and Chinese mosques don't necessarily look Arabic either. It is a great feature of Islam that it can be embraced by such a diverse group of people.
Hi Islam in China mostly introduced through silk road which many Iranian Muslim merchants have travelled to China even some of them become residents in China which Islam introduced by them to China.
@@ashvazdanghe Iran - China relations go back two thousand years in history and are so friendly and peaceful and profitable that it is almost fantastical. I have great respect for this relationship and I hope it continues for two thousand years more.
Unifieddynasty your comment applies to every church/religion/spiritual practices club in the world and everyone of them that are "registered religious organizations" are in bed with terrorists calling themselves bankers and governments . Jesus threw the money lenders (bankers) out of the temple as an example to them those and they who have "turned the house (earth) of my father into a house of merchandise" , soon by the power of the Christ the entire corrupt monetary system of fraud and blackmail will be gone forever and all our needs for living in comfort and good health will be shared freely without fear or favor 🙏
It's not just Guangzhou, if you go to Xi'an, Ninxia etc. All those oldest mosques in China share similar elements of Chinese traditional architecture. Very few exceptions are old mosque in Quanzhou which is Persian style brought in by Persian merchants but was preserved as part of World Heritage Site.
@@bitchesihate *what did quran say about creation of earth?* _..He spread out the earth He made it flat.._ . [Quran 79:30] Sahih International: And after that *He spread the earth.* . . [79.30 Tafsir al-Jalalayn] and after that *He spread out the earth He made it flat* for it had been created before the heaven but without having been spread out; . . . *in islam, if earth is rotating sphere then it always have a night somewhere at any moment and the muslim god (allah) will stay forever in lowest heaven.* . *Only the earth is flat the muslim god (allah) descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left..* . [Sahih Muslim: 758 a] 6 The Book of Prayer - Travellers (24)Chapter: Encouragement to supplicate and recite statements of remembrance at the end of the night, and the response to that Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Our Lord, the Blessed and the Exalted, *descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left,* and says: Who supplicates Me so that I may answer him? Who asks Me so that I may give to him? Who asks Me forgiveness so that I may forgive him? Reference : Sahih Muslim 758 a In-book reference : Book 6, Hadith 201 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 4, Hadith 1656 (deprecated numbering scheme)
Okay so the Quran doesn’t say that🙄, but the Hadith says that, and there is no difference because Muslims believe in it too. And don’t try to prove me wrong with your Taqia’a 🙃🙂🙃
You really don't know as much about Islam as you think, demonstrated by the fact you throw around words like taqia when most of us never heard such a thing until ppl like you accused us of it. @@nrfkworld4178
@jeon1020 this happens when you are deceived by shaytan becoz of ignorance. Go study Islam well. Whatever is stated by Prophet ﷺ it is entirely from Allah SWT. Whatever Prophet ﷺ speaks is Truth. Learn about Islam well. Don't you feel ashamed of yourself you take duniya seriously but not deen.
@@twnb7733 khadijah was 40 years old when he married the prophet. Her cousin is said to be monothiest christian who saw muhammad and said he will follow him when he grow older but he died before that.
@@ظاريفادهام He was the first to translate the Gospel from the Hebrew to the Arabic. He was a Rabbi-Priest and presided over their marriage. So you tell me -- to which religion of Kadijah the young Arab had converted himself to?
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Thankyou for sharing this. I am a Muslim who lives in Indonesia. I'm just aware about the presence, culture and religion of Hui ethnic in China. About the architecture of a Mosque, I am sure that there is also great diversity across the muslim communities in the world, and it has also changed from time to time. In Indonesia, there are also old mosques (built around 16th century) with JAVA-nese (and not "Middle-East" ) Architecture to "conform" to the main culture at the time where HINDU culture was still dominant. I have seen a number of Mosques in Yunnan (and also in Indonesia) which were built by Chinese Muslim communities with Chinese architecture, and I think they are interesting. I like them.
@@kepinpin5277 ya inilah topik di video ini, si mba nya pertama mengira bahwa mesjid harus berkubah, dan pemerintahan China sedang menghapus kebudayaan Islam dengan membongkar mesjid dan diganti jadi arsitektur China... Pas mba nya jalan ke masjid tertua di China, ternyata gak pake kubah dan arsitekturnya China banget... Akhirnya dia nyadar bahwa Islam itu gak harus kubah...
An English speaking han person who talks to XinJiang people who speaks fluent mandarin you mean?Hold up a Quran infront of the police，film the muslims practice the Quran，openly discus the religion please.
As I got comments from negationists, I remind you that the UNO expresses its deeps concerns about the situation of Muslim people in China "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China".
In ancient China, mosques were all Chinese-style. All the domed mosques in China are not ancient buildings. They were all built after the reform and opening up, and most of them were built in the late 1990s and early 21st century. In recent years many Muslim women have begun to wear black robes, with only their eyes showing. The removal of the dome is to trace the original and return to the appearance of traditional Chinese mosques.
@@MartinJacques-i2t The Organization of Islamic Cooperation praised China for its treatment of Muslims and also criticized the non-existing claims of mistreatment of Uighur. The world largest inter-government bodies endorsed China fairness and even handedness. The Council of Foreign Ministers under OIC help a meeting in Abu Dhabi on March 1-2, and adopted a unanimous decision on proclaiming China's intentions and actions to upgrade its Muslims citizens. So the American instigated lies were proven false by OIC thorough investigations.
Excellent video. I think most people don't know that the chinese mosques are being restructured, most people think they are just being demolished, so the video was very insightful
@@vmoses1979 what's considered "rights" defer from countries and culture. In some Islamic countries, like Brunei, non muslims don't even have the rights to celebrate other faiths in public
@@calvyncraven1141 Tapi tetap bisa melakukan ibadah sesuai keyakinan mereka di dalam tempat ibadah mereka, dan tidak ada semisal perombakan bangunan tempat ibadah non muslim agar sesuai dengan keinginan pemerintah.
china has the most powerful cultural diversity with history. If they were able to embrace it, their soft power would be unstoppable. Mongolia section expressing the beauty of Mongols and their history. Tibet expressing the beauty of Bhuddism. Xinjiang expressing the beauty of Islam with a modern spin of kashgar architecture. These are all China and China is probably the only country capable of expressing the beauty of all religion as one.
The faith is most important from how the mosque looks like or culture practicing. At least the Chinese government replace it with new one in my opinion this is also good. No matter what culture what tribe we all Muslim people are one .
The first gentleman in the video said it wisely, he wore white hat as his Muslim identity but if he should took off his hat does that mean his not Muslim? He's still a Muslim at heart. It doesn't matter what exterior or accessories you wear as long as you're practicing & believing in Muslim values, you are a Muslim. Thank you for your hard work for this video. Hope all of us can learn from each other to understand each other better.
It does matter what you wear as a muslim. It doesn’t negate your faith, the type of clothing you wear but you could be committing a sin if you wear something that is prohibited.
“ Muslim” is a newly invented term, you used to be called “Saracen”( Sarah send me away, the hands empty.) and Ismaélites. Israel is mentioned 32 times in the Quran. No mention of any Palestinian ( philistin from the Crete.A white!) Islam is a lie.
@@fsxmantra Why don’t you try? For its about your soul. I’ve prayed for many Muslims. They all saw the Christ, had visions….You lose nothing, but will earn everything.
Your comments about "not fitting into society and needing education" are interesting at 14:20. This is the same 'logic' used in the UK and Australia to tackle radicalisation, which is basically what the Chinese government is doing. Somehow people have interpreted the Chinese method as being 'repressive', while the very same strategy when used by them is 'modern and free'. Thought provoking.
there are actually eight other Muslim ethnicities/nations within China besides Hui and Uyghur. It would be great if you could cover eight other groups and how they practice, thanks!
@@armycarat647 in china,there are 10 ethnic groups that believe in Islam. They are: Hui, Uyghur, Kazakh, Uzbek, Tajik, Tatar, Kyrgyz, Sala, Dongxiang, and Bonan. ( translated from Chinese by machine)
@@蔡_徐_坤 you forgot the Han Muslim. And some Muslims living in coast provinces of Southeast China, descendants of merchants from Ancient Arab or South Asia .
What about reports of tampering with Koran at Uighar mosques; Also refusal of entry to mosques in Kasghar by males with their son(s) if these were under the age of 18 ??🤔
But how many Muslims there? What is the reliable source on this? Why is the percentage/s of Muslims showing low than Christians in different sources despite the permanent residence of Muslims before Christians? Is the Chinese government inhumanely controlling their numbers?
@@lucythemotherofathests1465 Western countries have real genocide against Muslim countries killing one million Iraqis and other wars, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria etc. etc. and then the west produces propaganda and project their characteristics on to China which is what the accusations against Xinjiang, Tibet and HK is.
Hi, I am from Indonesia, a country with most Muslim population in the world. In Indonesia, the early mosques also incorporate the original culture, the Hindu and traditional style. Due to this strategy, the population could easily accept Islam as a new faith because it didn't clashed frontally with their original culture. Only when Islam had become the major religion, the more Middle Eastern style was incorporated. And now, several new mosques even use modern and avant-garde style, leaving the ubiquitous dome shape. Regarding the assimilation of religion, the history is a bit different in Indonesia, since Islam finally become the dominant religion. Even with the domination, Islam has evolve into a more "Indonesian" style, with its own unique culture and tradition. Only in the last decade there is a purification movement ignited by the new Islam awakening around the world.
Irony Islamic Pakistan got great relationship with China as most of the Islamic world The Muslims only got anger towards Hindus India Jewish Israel You must understand India to Spain unprovoked invasions conquest forced conversions enslavement religious vandalism etc committed by followers of Islam Entire powerful empires Persian Zoroastrian empire Iran totally Islamic Turkey mere five hundred years ago was Byzantine citadels of Orthodox Christian Buddhist Afghanistan Hindu Pakistan Assyrian Christian Iraq Syria Coptic Christian Egypt Orthodox Christian etc Tons of Hindu temples destroyed or converted to mosques I don't justify violence persecution islamophobia etc But at least acknowledge that Islam also done similar to others
----In 624, the qibla was changed from Jerusalem to the pagan city of Mecca where the chief Moon-God, Al Lah, surrounded by 360 idoles, was worshipped. But Mecca was Only conquered in 630. It means that you have been the Moon God, idole worshipper since 624.
@@mohammadyaqoob746 That's religious vandalism True God? God is our own making A true God wouldn't demand annual BBQ hundreds of thousands of animals True God delivered some very disturbing and unsavoury things in that so call holy book of his And those hadiths have portrayed his apostle in a very disturbing character Captured kaibar saffyia taken away her father brother executed husband Kinanan being trtred to reveal where the treasure was hidden? No insist we fight in his cause etc that's an incompetent God if he "needs" if he can't get things done on his own Every religion build a place of worship with labour of their own hands and love of their hearts Islam captured a pagan city Mecca , usurp the pagan kabbah committed religious vandalism This is nothing but imperialism no pray and supplication meditation of the heart can be acceptable to the God of a purified spirit from such EVIL actions Christian Zoroastrian Hindu Buddhist places of worship vandalized or converted to mosques This is pure demonic True God is just your belief
China is so huge (huge land far and wide,1.4 Billion population), it cannot afford to have its ‘children’ fighting, and tearing the ‘family’ apart. So far, China’s approach to maintaining peace, order, stability, economic growth and security has worked well. It has even miraculously lifted 800 million of its people out of poverty in less than 50 years! And no other countries have come close to achieving such technological and infrastructural advancement as China did. As time goes on, the Dalai Lama loses more supporters, because people can tell that he was used by the US in its break away n conquer strategy to weaken China.
Thank you for providing a nuanced perspective into the Hui Muslim identity. Your video reminded of a Hui couple and their restaurant I visited in Kunming. It was a one of my most memorable experiences during that visit.
12:49 nowhere in the Quran does it say anything about 72 virgins. I know you mean well but please be careful not to spread misinformation. If there's a way to edit the video, please do so. Thank you
If the mosque was built hundreds of years ago, why does it need to suddenly make changes now in order to “integrate”? Hasn’t it been integrated for many lifetimes?
in the past, it was shabby, but generally merges with Han architect style. After 1990s，China become rich and rebuid mosques with onion dome .But recent years,massacres and separative happens,like the vedio shows in Kunming and Xinjiang, government found out it's a must to take measures.Then mosques are rebuilt as its once looking
As Asianmuslim myself, a most eloquent clip ever on Utube. I totally agree with your point of view. You know for sure, main problem in this kind of situations - is west would love to exploit these kind of situation in any where in the world. So for practicality's sake most people would probably agree with your point of view.
The problem is that Islam is not just a religion of worship that we often see in the daily lives of Muslims. Islam is a methodological system of life both individually, family, community and State. Islam must be upheld in a comprehensive manner according to the capabilities of its adherents. Being able to mean here is being able to be patient in carrying out God's commands and being able to accept the risks. What is certain is that the risks are multilevel, and each level of risk gets a different reward from Allah.
Now, try to think about the CHINESE culture, in a way that you thinking of Muslim. It is not only the whole system of life but it is the greatness religion of the Chinese. That here comes a real problem, how to make all kinds of religions coexisting peaceful with a greater religion aka Chinese culture for thousands of years.
Hi i may say that to be saved good works is not enough. It is not that way since salvation is by grace of God not of our own good works. This is the truth. So one must accept his gift - His son Jesus, then he will work into oneself to do good works, thats the fruit of being saved.
This is the problem of Islam, not just individuals and families. Islamic social organizations used to be very powerful. The police would shield Muslims and ordinary Han people would be oppressed. Islamic rules not only bind Muslims, but also the pork smell of Han neighbors wafts to Muslim homes and will be chased by Muslims with knives. Muslim organizations are too overbearing. In China, where China is a country of citizens, citizens act according to the law, rather than being forced to abide by Muslim rules above the law.
In modern countries, religion must exist as a philosophical thought and a custom of life. Once adopted as the creed of the organization, the leader of the organization can do anything in the name of God. Terrorist attackers even feel that they are just .
Your insights and critical analyses are blowing my mind, and it's awesome. It's so easy for an outsider to judge another countries actions and policies from a biased lens.
As I got comments from negationists, I remind you that the UNO expresses its deeps concerns about the situation of Muslim people in China "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China".
Both Islamic and Christian Chinese are being persecuted especially if they do not bend to the Chinese government. That is why the message of patriotism. The woman doing the show even said that country was most important. But in both Islam and Christianity put God first and not the government.
Perhaps the Domed mosques of the Uyghurs were already part of East Turkestan that was taken over by the Chinese in the 18th Century, hence they were not in the 'Chinese Style'.
ahh regarding the arabic style dome, my grandfather was Hui Muslim and my mum told me the arabic style mosque never existed in China, even in western part of China, until recent decades, for example the first Mosque in Xinjiang looks completely non-arabic, it is completely a central asian architecture, so China is merely remove the later outside influence, and resume to what it should be, btw, your english is excellent, and your reporting looks sincere
Thank you for the update. as I suspected this dome shaped architect probably wasn't there, it was a recent importation from the middle east due to oil boom and all the scholarship and sponsorship that was peddled from that part of the wold. needless to say other undue influence which is unwanted also arrived.
The domes of Mosques in the Middle East evolved from the East Roman church dome construction tradition. When Arab Muslims conquered previously Christian regions in the Middle East, churches were sometimes turned into Mosques. An example is the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus. Minarets were a Muslim innovation to facilitate the call to prayer.
Thank you ! I have started to watch more of your videos! You have done SO MUCH in depth research to help present these situations, perspectives, opinions...
Thanks for making this video. I didn't know that the mosques are not demolished, but the gov is replacing them with new ones with Chinese architecture. I am pretty cool with that actually. Cheers. Greetings from Malaysia.
@@thelatai5792 lol Chinese hui Muslims don’t look like middle easterners and they aren’t making those people look oriental😂😂 they already look like Chinese.
Hi! the whole "Islam says that doing Jihad will give you 72 virgins" tag line was a mischaracterization which was made popular by the USA in the Bush era by anti Muslim Warhawks as a form of propaganda to get the American public onboard with the invasions in the middle east. Nothing that Islam teaches is harmful, I was with you throughout the entire video, but have to disagree on this tiny part, otherwise loving your work, and looking forward to more! Most the things you may hear about Islam being bad or other, is usually gross misinterpretations or misunderstandings of scriptures, often made by non-muslims who wish to defame Islam ( mostly done by a wave of anti-muslim grifters who acted like "experts" on Islam and Islamic nations in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 to make money off the US govt.) ______________ In Islam: The Universe and the entirety of Cosmos was created by Allah, the best description of Allah would be sura ikhlas. in regards to humans, Allah then sent human messengers to the rest of humanity to convey rules and knowledge to humanity more than 124000 prophets were sent throughout human history to all the various cultures and nations of earth, But over time, the people tended to forget or lose chunks or heavily distort portions of the message/religion (Pure Monotheism, the 1st half of the shahada "la ilaha illallah") this is why according to Muslim belief, all world religions and cultures mostly tend to have many similarities, when human morality never needed to evolve in the same way even in tribes geographically separated from each other. the Last prophet was Muhamad s.a.w. who was sent with the Quran, and allah completed his preferred religion for all of earth's humans as stated in the Quran. which means that Islam (the primordial religion of which the Quran is the final text) is now stuck in stone and hence cannot be changed nor altered. As such one cannot claim that the religion is outdated, since although the rest of the world can change, the religion will be like an iron pillar, and unmovable rock, a firmament and foundation that the rest of the world has to conform to, than the other way around. or else the religion is hollow and malleable and means nothing. I may have misunderstood you and when you said "outdated religious teachings" you probably meant to say "incorrect" or "misunderstood" religious teachings, since sure ppl can misunderstand or be given false information by powerful people, but calling a religious teaching of the religion itself outdated would be incorrect to say. the Jihad thing you stated is a modern invention, Orthodox, and original / traditional Islam denounces that. Terrorists like Osama Bin Laden themselves admitted that they were breaking islamic rules due to political reasons. their justification for ignoring the rules of War as clearly stated in the quran ( you can' hurt noncombatants, old ppl, clergy or religious buildings of any religion, trees, animals, enemies suing for peace) were flawed and based on a cherrypicked and easily debunked and misguided obscure fatwa from some random cleric which didn't even properly apply. SO, basically the terrorists today ( all those who evolved from the original US funded terrorist groups ) have 0 religious backing for their crimes. ------------------------------------- That said, Islam is global, and does infact teach about putting humanity as a whole first above nation state identities, much like communism which was intended to be a global movement for the betterment of all workers in every nation, tribe, class and creed. I think China could adopt Islam into its communism to forge an expansionist ideology for promoting communism as a system and islam as its official religion ( with differing outwardly expressions [architecture, food, fashion] based on the people) to renew the project of spreading the upliftment of all classes of humanity as Marx & Lenin etc. originally hoped. P.S. You don't have to be Hui to be Muslim, there are many Han Muslims too, anybody can be a Muslim. You can Too! P.P.S Love you work! Looking forward to More!
@@user-dt7qf1me1v Isn't there also an ethnic component to it though? considering that Hui ppl may have trace Arab blood in them, considering the fact that they descend from the Arab traders who were mandated to marry local Han women as a method of chinese-fictaion?
@@kamekameha721 Shariah is only applicable for Muslim. A non Muslim is not adjudicated by it unless they willingly submit to the law. In the past each group should be Judged based on their religious law. Islam with Shariah, Jew with their Torah and Christian with their Bible.
@@kamekameha721 shariah law is the best law basically a law that has heavy punishment but is hard to apply. the problem is that ppl think oh if you steal you'll be punished by the amputation of the offender's right hand but most ppl only know . Of course you can't just give the punishment just because they're stealing. You need to know the reason why they're stealing whether they steal because of poverty or they steal because of their greediness (they steal some expensive stuff because they couldn't afford it while they have money is enough to buy the things they need) . So the person who steals because of poverty won't receive the punishment while the other person will receive it. That means the qadi(judge) have a heavy responsibility they need to know the reason why the person steals or whatever crime they did as detailed as possible because if they give the wrong punishment they'll be questioned by Allah whether they did their duties perfectly. There are a lot of misconceptions about shari'a law yeah it's true the adultery will be stoned to death but that for the married men and women while the unmarried will get lashes. The Qur’an firmly forbids adultery in this verse: "Those who commit adultery, men or women, give each of them a hundred lashes" Qur'an 24: 2. However as I said the qadi (judge) can't just give the punishment. It is therefore important to mention that in the first cases of accused women of adultery, the Qur’an issued a binding law that consists of "confining" women accused of adultery to their homes until further notice. The verse says: "Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way."(Qur’an 4:15). We can notice in this verse that the Qur'an primarily requires the testimony of four witnesses, which is certainly not likely to happen. "Keeping" women in their homes can be considered a means of protecting them from becoming victims of popular opprobrium, which is in itself, a temporary means of avoiding abuses based on rigid mosaic legislations of that time. The following verse marks the second phase in the Qur’anic reform: "And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient” ; Qur’an 24; 4. Fyi One of the major sins in islam is to accuse an innocent woman of adultery. It is even more important that the Qur’an requires providing irrefutable evidence of adultery. This Qur'anic measure makes accusation extremely difficult, if not impossible. The proof of adultery requires the presence of four eyewitnesses who, according to the Muslim law, must have witnessed the sexual act and relate the same descriptions,which is virtually impossible. The new measure remains extremely difficult to implement since it is conditioned by the testimony of four people of good faith to validate the accusation of adultery. The obligation to provide four eyewitnesses is a drastic measure, which makes proving the adulterous act very improbable. The Quran is very strict regarding false testimonies and punishes those who present false testimonies with the same penalty as that of adulterers: flogging along with the loss of all of their civil rights. It shows that its hard for the punishment to be implanted. In Islam as long as the person already matures the way they think and alr hit puberty, they consider as adults. I mean in the past there was no age set by the government like nowadays for example if you're 18 years you'll consider as an adult in my country or in most country, in new Zealand 20 years old and 19 in Korea . You do know that people in the past married as soon as they hit puberty so you can't make it the same how society works nowadays and in the past. Among those going into marriage, the basic requirement in sharia law is that they must not only have completed puberty but also have the full maturity to recognise and be able to meet their rights and obligations in marriage .
@@kamekameha721 I wonder wut proof you will show hopefully you ain't using Iran (Taliban), isis they are not even following what Islam teaches , in Islam you can't force ppl to wear hijab but look what happened In iran. What I got to say is that their leader will be questioned by Allah whether they did their duties correctly (Allah asks details as if their citizens had to live in poverty because they are not taking any initiative to improve the citizens life) tbh all countries leaders will also be questioned the same .At least show me proof from a country like brunei.
A very interesting take ! Just to say that apart from this story of 72 virgins nonsense never ever to be found in the Quran, it must be said that the Mosque and its dome are apparently several centuries old, so it should be kept as is, it's part of the Chinese heritage as well. Just like the Taj Mahal in India. Also, I perfectly understand Chinese anguish to not get overwhelmed by Westerners like it was during the one hundred years of national humiliation. Never again.
In Indonesia, the biggest Islamic organization - called Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) - also holds a principle "hubbul wathan minal iman" that literally means "patriotism is a part of the faith". Also I found another vlog about Hui Muslim community in Xi'an by Indonesian just as a comparison. ruclips.net/video/VXaZv9JxhvE/видео.html
13:21 Saudi here, the way you touched on this part shows the same type of ignorance that you complain about when it comes to westerners learning about China. In order to understand it correctly just as you said, you need to have a glance it at from unbiased prospective, for example, Jihad doesn't mean what most people think it means and it can be harmful to everyone to interpret it that way. Islam promotes justice not violence, you have to understand the context of each verse to see the full picture. Lastly, thank you for the videos its really entertaining.
Your commentary is very important for Muslims from other geographic locations to understand that Islam melds into the people/culture it joins, not that an "Arabized" culture should represent Islam as a faith or culture alone. I became Muslim in China through Hui Muslims, his family had been Muslim for more than 1350 years, while a language student at Beijing University over 40 years ago. When I spent time as a language student and expat in the Middle East a decade later, I am so glad I was introduced to Islam outside of the Middle East...an understanding of Islam that was more kind, inclusive, and inculcating a softness toward others from Far Eastern philosophies--and not flagellation from an "Islam is superior-ity" complex that is not obvious to many Muslims bound to traditional thinking. Just take a look at the knee-jerk reactions of most Muslims in traditional Muslim states...form over substance. You are helping many people understand Muslim Chinese groups and the variation among them based on when the different schools of thought entered China.
Muslims should also be aware that western white people try to meddle between Muslims and the countries there are in as well as with other groups...most prominent example: Muslims vs. Jews. There are people who financially profit from making them fight.
it's not only because of that replacement of the mosque, uyghurs now are not allowed to grow beards nor wear islamic clothes,let alone the prouven camps
Thank you for sharing an "insider's view". As someone who have had a great fortune to visit some of the impressive mosques from Malaysia to Oman and as a practising Buddhist with freedom to practise my faith without fear in my home country Nepal, it is deeply concerning that these magnificent domes are being replaced with flattened tops. Places of worships are underpinned by philosophies of the concerned religion. They inspire us to reflect and contemplate on scriptures. For example, Arabic calligraphy is only used in the domes of mosques not on their walls or floors. The calligraphy symbolizes God's words and highest wisdom. In Buddhism, our temples often have flatten roof to symbolize one taste of samsara (world) and nirvana (liberation). I am actually concerned that this kind of approach whilst well-meaning may actually be short sighted and unintentionally eroding Islamic values.
I think you assume a lot. Islam been in China over more than one thousand year, during this time, islam developed a lot throughout the world, evolving into what you see today, same evolution happened inside of China too but separately from Arab countries, these also created huge differences. Buddhism architecture are different in different countries too, I don’t see this is really ‘eroding ‘ anything
10:00 The man you interviewed was ambiguous not because he was ambivalent, but because he was afraid of what your beloved government would do to him in the middle of the night. I can't believe you're saying this with a smile. 13:00 Do you actually believe that extremist organizations have so much influence in a country with such an overwhelmingly powerful government? Did you even read the verse about Jihad? Where does it mention the virgins? 15:25 Who are you to tell people that they can't have mutually exclusive identities? It's outrageous that you think the erasure of a religious identity is good intention. There is absolutely nothing well intentioned about forcing Muslims to become more distant from their culture and become more Han or patriotic. We muslims do not pay homage to any country. We respect the laws of our country of residence, but our religion is above all else. Borders were random lines created human beings.
I live in sweden that is one of the most secular society in the world, maybe close to China in that respect. As a curiosity I live in a very small village in south of sweden and a few years ago a Bhuddist temple with a big golden Bhudda statue was erected! I went there out of curiosity and was told that there would be a holy meeting the next day with food and a cermon and was invited. I visited and met the three monks and was treated very well and the food was delicious. In the western world muslims clash with the values of many countries, in Switzerland there was a vote that stopped use of minarets especially with loudspeakers. In sweden there has been individuals burning copies of the Quoran and that has made sweden a legitimate target of terrorism. Some people here says that religion is the cause of all evil in the world.
It's not necessary that, a mosque should looks like a Arab's architecture. In chaina it can be in Chinese architecture, After It's a prayer place, it’s not how it’s look like, But the main point is everyone should granted to pray as their believes
Siming, I just found your channel. I've gone through 3 videos, and I am so impressed and inspired by your sense of fairness, curious, and most importantly, honest assessment. These combinations gently removes doubt in your work for those who are more subscribed to western influences. I wish I was much younger as I would work in parallel to send these messages that you present. Cheers.
I watches a few days ago from vlogger Little Chinese Everywhere exploring Shadian muslim city. Apparently the city has the largest Mosque in south western china in arabic style and signature green dome built by Muslims in more recent history. With 40000 mosques around China, do you think policies vary from different counties or provinces to another?
I came across your vlog today Appreciated the piece about your identity journey since age 15. It takes courage and self confidence to bare your soul. Congratulations for finding peace at such a young age. Your identity will evolve with time and life experiences. I know you will do well
I felt China had the right intention of weeding out extremism, but they executed it incorrectly just as you said. Without the direction of the Imams in those communities which would have helped the government greatly, they sort of created issues that didn't need to happen. I know that In Xinjiang a lot of those who came back from Syria were extremists and have those separatist values, which plays nicely into the USA's narrative. Which could have been the reason why the govt acted so quickly on the matter without proper education and planning themselves. After all, no one wants to live in a disestablished country. I felt more comfortable being a Muslim in China than in the USA. Muslim Chinese have always been a part of Chinese history, Arabic writing was on the Chinese yuan, I know it's mainly cashless now in China so I don't know if you can find an yuan but check it out. One of the first people to embrace and accept Islam was China. In fact China has some laws that are similar to Islamic law. I also want to mention that the line about Jihad is incorrect, maybe you misunderstood. Jihad does not mean a holy war, it means to fight for oneself. So for example, to battle oneself in the pursuit for truth, or knowledge, for justice, or to become more strong in faith, or to strong in charity etc etc. Holy war is what extremists turned the word Jihad into made popular by their US funded leaders. Also 72 virgins are NOT mentioned in the Quran, it's only in a Hadith- which are 'stories' that were written by others 100's of years later. We take these books with a grain of salt. I personally do not really follow any Hadithes as the Quran is clear, no other text is to be followed. I really enjoyed this video! I have to say I do feel like the Chinese govt doesn't like chaos, they still have that ying yang balance and to avoid chaos they make some mistakes like this. I do hope that the friendships with different Middle East countries and more conversation will help the govt to rectify the issues they have created from their poorly executed plans to stamp out extremism.
go read the “leaked” report from the NYT, which is actually a local government meeting minutes or some sorts, it will give you the background of the reeducation camp implementation. Then you will find it’s probably the most humanity way to remove the root of extremism and actually help the Muslim society to more coexist with the modern human society. And you do not go other way around.
*what is jihad?* _in islam, jihad mean struggles._ *which Jihad is best?* _"..whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded." - Sunan Ibn Majah 4.24.2794.._ . [Sunan Ibn Majah] It was narrated that 'Amr bin 'Abasah said: "I came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?' He said: *'(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.'"* Grade : Sahih (Darussalam) English reference : Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2794 Arabic reference : Book 24, Hadith 2900 . . [Quran 9:111] Sahih International: Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. *They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed.* [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment. *Note:* _only satan will try to make a deal with mankind. god will never need to 'purchased' his own creation._
When reading from the Quran (or any religious scriptures) and stating that an early understanding / interoperation is somehow outdated and archaic does not logically make sense to me. Does it not make sense that the oldest / original understanding of the text would more reflect the true intention / original meaning ? Even more so, if one were to believe the words to be of divine origin or divinely influenced ? Surely "the word of God" does not change due to the passing of hundreds of years (very short time in the eyes of a supreme being) ? I would think you either believe it and follow it as is, or reject it. It's similar to modern Christians cherry picking texts and ignoring others to suit their "modern sensibilities".
The mosque got rebuild in Chinese architecture? As a muslim myself, I kinda scratch my head and ponder "What the harms of it" but then again after recalling video made by hoser channel, I kinda understand whats going on. Did I get offended? Not really, like why I should? the mosque is rebuilt and the purpose is still a mosque. Heck, in Indonesia there is Demak Mosque in Central Java that resembles none of how mosque usually looks like (e.g. domes ) and it looks more like a traditional javanese architecture. Is it still a mosque? yes. do people pray there? yes but then again, it is kinda hard for non Chinese citizen visitor to distinguish which building is a mosque or not if it meshes too well with other surroundings. I think a specific marking should be there to point out to foreigner where is the mosque and which building is the mosque.
You're wright girl, design of the mosque & what you're wear doesn't really matter as long as you know which parts of your body to be cover,Islam is super simple & straight forward, you don't have to follow import culture, just think Islam itself no force, even by forcing yourself are call force,so you don't have to follow others culture thank you so much girl, keep it up keep on research
In this case, the Indian government should demolish the Chinese designed buddhist temple and build an Indian style temple. Because the Chinese are doing the same.😂
@@elite7329 the dress code for Muslims is not only what you wear to a mosque, but what you wear in public. The dress code is basically to cover yourself. There is no rule to wear things that look a certain way such as white hat, black robe etc.
This is one of the most well researched and presented RUclips "ammeter" video's I have seen really well done! Awesome that you live in GZ, I live a little way away in ZS that has a super interesting history as well not as old as GZ but full of amazing milestones. The only comment I can make is that this was a well presented open and factual video and I look forward to seeing more of them.
So interesting but it was also so paternalising and reducer... "don't worry we want your own good, you need to be educated". and the reflexion about the "72 virgins" as "archaïch" belief was so ignorant and paternalising also. Agree with another comment : "Destroying cultural motifs and identity is just cruel and cannot be justified no matter what anyone says.". Muslim identity is part of Chinese identity, you don't need to supress it to be more Chinese...
this allowed me to see the other side of the argument more (I have always heard about Xinjiang region in the news and about the treatment of the Uygur, so I never thought there would be tolerance to the Muslim faith in other parts of china as well). It is interesting to see the assimilation of culture and I think you explained it really well. Might visit china soon even 🌺👍
There is nothing better than to visit China to see the truth with your own eyes! If you want to, you can go all the way to Xinjiang and see the lives of people there. There is no restriction now that China had dropped the zero-covid policy. There were never any restrictions to go to Xinjiang all these years. The only restrictions were during the zero-covid policy to stop the spread of covid. Not only Xinjiang, you can't travel freely to most other places in China for the fear of spreading the virus. Millions of foreign visitors had been to China and at least a million had been to Xinjiang.
Because it’s truth. They order them to cut off their beards, an Islamic injunction, and separate men from their wives. It is not only on video. A Turkish lady spoke about her uncle going missing there after being arrested by authorities
Such an enlightening video. You're very intelligent plus your command of English even exceeds native speakers with a post-secondary education. Full respect!
She is well trained to (deliberately) speak like a native speaker. Few I think would even contemplate much less to reach that goal. Of course it now comes naturally. Watch her earlier video.
Identity of Islam is thru its believers way of life. Islam is to a way of life, muslim are people who believe in God and submit to his teaching. As far as architecture, clothing and cultures, Islam allow for a wide range of variety. There is no such thing as islamic dome..it is just so happens that most culture with muslim in them. Love your video...great study in preparing it
Actually you nailed it a 3:19 when you said in China, the nation goes first. In China, the state is above religion. This is something a lot of people cannot wrap their heads around.
Without country and its protection, nothing in that country will stand! No county understand that better than China which had been suffering 100 years of chaos and destruction by forigen power!
There is a need for one religion to be distinguished from another religion, otherwise, what is the point of having different names. Buddhism and Islam have theoretical and practical differences. So, why can’t these differences allowed to be manifested into each architectures? If walking into a traditional Chinese mosque, one cannot determine if it is a mosque or Buddhist temple, then I believe we have integrated to the point of not allowing each to practice their own religion freely. Of course, Islam allows some degree into adaptation to local culture, but that doesn’t mean one has to give up its distinction. A true free society would allow distinction within its society, and let its people choose the path that they seems most logical or appealing. In long term, this is what makes a society resilient; allowing external influence as it can be a change for the positive.
That's your opinion only but in reality if a country and its citizens its 100% free to do whatever they like, then all you have at the end is division and chaos like in the USA
@@calvyncraven1141 diversity is not chaos. Allowing multiple ways of life can enrich people's experience and allow choose of path that is most suitable for that person, instead of force adherence to a single path. It allows higher efficiency. In China, so much integration has taken place that it is erasing minorities way of life and their religion/culture. This in long term will only harm Chinese as a civilization, because habit of great civilization is that it is capable to observe shocks and new idea.
@@ldijz there must be a balance in everything. And i think China is doing just fine. You cannot have too extreme of a diversity without some controls in place orelse chaos will follow.
Great explanation! That’s why we are able to tell the difference between synagogues,churches,mosques and other such temples, I think it’s important to preserve motifs that allow us to discern between different religions
I sympathy for both arguments. However, history of China requires strong central government. They fearful of chaos. Therefore, although governments have good intentions but not good at planning would understandable.
Genghis Khan and his descendants were open to religion. That's how it all started. They opened the doors and it can't be shut. Panda is building the silk road. You would think he would be open minded to few religions.
In Islam, God never ordered to start a war with anyone, except for the enemy who started it, we must defend ourselves in the Islamic way, which is to fight until the enemy stops it, if they decide to stop, God orders to stop the war, and God curses those who invade, Jihad has many meanings, it is not just a word for war
Actually the dome was not originally Islamic. It was originally from the Christian churches during the Byzantine and Orthodox era. The muslims then took it as their own thereafter. Look at Haga Sophia church-turned-mosque in Turkey with the huge onion on it. Built in 537ad, that was there before the time of the Prophet Muhamad, born 570ad. That explains why the oldest Chinese mosque in Guangzhou, which i already visited back in 2004, together with what was believed to be the resting place of the companion of the Prophet, Saad Bin Abi Waqqas, has taken the local chinese shape. Becoz at that time the early arab muslims who brought the religion to that southernmost province of China thru sea werent influenced by those onion shape churches of the Christians yet. Becoz Islam of the Prophet Muhammad's first generation of companions was still very new to any kind of specific shape or design. Only after a few generations when the Islamic conquests grew larger and wider esp during the 2nd century of the Hijrah calender or 7th century ad did they saw the onion shapes on Christian churches and decided to adopt it on their mosques. (I am a Muslim from Malaysia and had studied in Egypt for 10 years... we still have a few old mosques in Malaysia of around 2 centuries old that took on local taste and design with no onion shaped roofs whatsoever. In fact it looked very much like a Chinese or Budhist temple design with sharp ends pointing up, with 3 layers of roofs and the only different with a Budhist temple was it was normally green in color. And this was the trend of most mosques in the whole of South East Asian region up until the onion shape came in during the second half of the 20th century. Pls google old mosque in Malaysia and Indonesia.) Then the Islamic influence thru the Silk Road to China took place a few centuries later. The Arab and Persian Muslims then intermarried with local Chinese and the Hui people came to exist, who was originally a mixed of arabs persians and chinese but mostly Muslim in religion. Some of these arab persian muslims even served in the Mongol courts of Kublai Khan as ministers. These muslims who came by land then introduced the onion shaped mosques in the central of China or along the Silk Road. This was already past 4 or 5 centuries after the first mosque in Guangzhou which had not yet brought any influence of the originally Christian onion shape. Becoz by then the onion was already prevalent in the Islamic world from Spain to India around 2nd century ad. Btw, why i said that IT WAS BELIEVED to be the resting place of Saad bin Abi Waqqas was becoz there were 2 more claims of his resting place in the the middle east. And that that one in China actually belongs to his uncle. To me personally as a Muslim, travelled far and beyond, i have no real affection for a specific shape of a mosque. The most important thing to me is that i love it when lots of people are inside praying or learning in it. Many old mosques in my country are already demolished to make way for modern style mosques with air-conditioned and all, something very much needed in a tropical country. Some maintain the good old roof shape and some just change it, by themselves, without any government intervention. I love to see more videos from you, the Han Chinese girl.❤
I like your videos and how you clarify the issues. The control by the government of personal lives is the issue and freedom of thought and life pursuits, I feel, are the cure. Your English is excellent ! Thank you ! Peace & Love💕🌸🙏
"Patriotism is part of the faith" is actually an alleged statement (known as a hadith) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad (God's blessings be upon him). Some dispute its actually being spoken of by the prophet but it seemed very popular on the walls of mosques all over China that I have seen. I wouldn't have recognized it in Chinese but saw it written in Arabic often, even in calligraphy. (حب الوطن من الإيمان) I also remember many Hui restaurants having photos of Xi Jinping meeting Hui people in west China framed on the wall.
that's really interesting! I didn't know about this part of Islam. I initially thought it was perhaps a forged culture but it turned out to be a part of the teaching, too. :)
@@SimingLan Islamic Faith is predominantly concerned with the worship of only Creator God,Spirituality & Humanity & not with man made Borders,Flags,Symbolism,Architecture or Ultra Nationalism or Caste based Discrimination (as seen in Indian religion of Hinduism). Just see Articles of Islamic faith as a Han or Communist Chinese & see where you disagree ❓? & if you agree, you are already a Muslim❗ Besides,you mentioned 72 virgins somewhere kindly provide refrence of it,I've never found it
@@Hassan_MM. nope, islamic faith is not predominantly just about worshiping a deity. A whole lot of it are rules on how to conduct every tiny bit of people's daily life or business, and how to rule other people, or slaves. And how to go to war. And justice system. Nope, it's super duper complicated.
Patriotism the word can be traced back to 1500 AD, whereas Prophet pbuh came in 570 AD. the word Patriotism didn't even exist prior to 1500 AD. Since every mosque must have the patriotism saying instead of the other more important and well known sayings means It is a compulsion to have this statement for all mosques in China. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@IK-wp5eq in Arabic it literally says "love of the homeland" حب الوطن and the Chinese that was on the wall said 愛國 which literally also means "love of country". Abstract terms are often like this in Chinese and the term also means patriotism. It is definitely very self serving to push this hadith everywhere but to give the Chinese government some credit, it is a hadith that exists (though of debated authenticity) and the translation doesn't need to be manipulated to give them a good and pithy message.
Why is China so much scared of these domes? Losing culture to these domes ? Instead of focusing on how 2 make these people more patriotic you are taking away their identity. I would not mind a mosque being built in Pakistan using a pattern or architectural design of a Chinese Buddhist temple cuz I think we need one Anyways China may have existed millenia ago but the boundaries kingdoms dynasties religions n cultures did change so after the freedom of 1948 China was given new boundaries in that case it inherited new area new people new cultures along languages which shall be preserved n respected cuz they don't live in a borrowed land from mainland China, they were there China just declared the boundaries over them China need to change its approach to Muslims, there's always many many different ways to solve the issues or problems, We in Pakistan believe China is the best country on earth being most peaceful n respectful in any regard n other Muslim countries think same as well , doing business with China along new projects trade invention n helping China make its currency dominance . And China is scared of these not even one percent population because of their domes . Focus on teaching them patriotism instead stealing their culture n identity Don't repeat what happened in 1954 n1938 in Lanzhou n 1971 in Yunnan
@@SimingLan wonder what the history of the rebuilt mosque is and what the specific reason was for rebuilding. I think you’ve done a wonderful job with taking your audience through your thought process, but after finishing the video I have this feeling that I didn’t get enough background information or perspectives from this segment to properly address the issue raised in the title. For example, I just found out on Google that domes aren’t ritual requirement in mosques as mihrab is, that the earliest mosques did not have domes, and that the use of domes in Islamic architecture was influenced by Byzantine architecture at its inception.
Its always a bit unsettling when people have to speak in cryptic language or hide their true feelings due to what they perceive the government might do to them in response if they were to speak plainly. It makes sense that a religion would be adapted to the local population, that happens everywhere around the world. But it is one thing for a religion to adapt itself to appeal to the shared values of the local population, it is a totally other thing for the government or some other entity to come in and decide what should happen with them. If the muslim community had come together and decided they wanted to renovate the mosque and do it in a more chinese style, fine. But for the government to enforce it on them seems harsh and cruel. It definitely does still seem like cultural erasure, and even the other mosques you visited seemed to be trying to pander to the government somewhat (was the patriotism sign there initially? Or was it placed there later as the government started looking more into religious minorities?). Thanks again for presenting this insider view of the situation. It's always interesting to see other cultures in the world. I went to China in 2006 and found it very enjoyable and fascinating. It's great to be able to see these videos and see what's happening in the country (even if i dont agree with it necessarily).
There are differences in Western countries. France is more averse to public religious expression than other countries for instance. It sounds like in China the government has a role to play in deciding what is proper Chinese culture. In Australia we are suspicious if our government tries to do this - we tend to think they are setting some citizens as more worthy than others (which some of us don't like).
@user-kc7mu4jp4p Well it is not subtle. I'd rather be a goody-goody than a baddie (are you saying that is what you are?). I care because people I love and myself are effected by how people behave. To defend the good is not to defend evil or even violent means (big discussion). As I pointed out I do discriminate (hence the 'don't like). Your response isn't even coherent.
I think it would be fair to say that there are 56 ethnicities in China so it is impossible for any ethnicity to be treated more important than the other. The central requirement is every religion can freely operate as long as it is not used for political purposes to destabilise the country. Chinese people has a culture long enough to distinguish education, spiritual release and governance system are separate entities.
@@louisw4155 Bit it as it may the west has been using various non government organisations including religious groups to subvert China so China has to be on the alert all the time. The problem is all religions in China are imported. As a country China has long been able to distinguish between the good and the bad by education and does not need a religious study to teach people how to read/write or behave! China has existed long before the birth of any religion so if you are a Chinese respect your ancestors when religion wasn't in existence.
French here ! I find this video very interesting. In France I don't think we would destroy old mosques as we have deep respect for old architecture + we traditionally also have sacred places (the churches). But I thing the chinese government and the french one are taking similar decisions : try to have everyone feel like a national and put their religion second in ordre of priorities. Here, we focus more on how people dress (hijab is a sensitive issue) >
The french with french govt included are so patriotic when it comes to tolerate pedophilia, lgbt, nudism, and every aspect of culture and philosophy as long as it's not of islam origin or muslim conveying....so stop lying
Another French here, you put into words what I was thinking after watching this video. We tend to prefer keeping religion in the private sphere and become very wary when it comes close to public institutions and stuff like that. Which is why the hijab becomes a very sensitive issue here and lead people to misunderstanding things about France. I feel it is quite similar to China in this situation. There's is definitely a sense here that patriotism takes a more important part than religion.
@@sparklemotion8377 I don't know where you live. There's no witch-hunt against Muslims in France. Islam is a new religion historically in the country and is required to reform itself as catholicism did in the 19th century in order to match democracy, the constitutional principle of freedom of religious criticism and the secular culture it meets.
@@sparklemotion8377 I dont know where you live. There's no witch-hunt against Muslims in France. Islam is a new religion historically in the country and is required to reform itself as catolicism did in the 19th century in order to match democracy, the constitutional freedom of religious criticism and the secular culture it meets.
so im a muslim egyptian ... far far from china yet i study at the Chinese egyptian university sooo China and chinse people of all ethinicities matters to me a lot - especially Muslim ones . Im extremely grateful to see a Han Chinese put out a video with an actual and complete thought process about the matter ! I feel that .. in the tense environment around this matter in china now (it might not be new at all but just more dissucssed lately ) the destruction of the green dome meant a lot to the Muslims . Im not even chinese but I was kinda sad that happened ! Regradless the intentions at that point ( even if they were to be good ) , seeing something so central for your identity getting demolished right in front of your eyes in a mood of general upset from all sides must be horrible . I get it . Islam is a religion - its not an architectural style . But in a way , this unique union of so-called "islamic style " (its just arabic style really ) and chinese culture , I find , to be absolutely mesmerising ... I would love to taste local halal chinese cuisine and get a feel for the internal culture of these people- how they talk and how they pray to Allah (God ) in a non-arabic tongue ! I feel that Muslim chinese culture is super unique and in a way only adds to the richness of china ... that doesn't mean that making the architecture of mosques more chinese renders the Islam of those chinese Muslims lost- but ... it would be a sad thing , no ? Thats my humble opinion and Allah (God) knows best . I would love to see more videos about this topic - keep'em coming ! (p.s. I loved the editing in the video but I don't think its okay to put a voice-over over the quran in the beginning of the video -thanks for understanding )
thank you for sharing, i appreciate your perspective! 😊 i was gutted too about the green dome. i totally understand that the architecture can grow into a part of your identity, so tearing it down has hurt many people's feelings. chinese muslim do have a different sensitivity to islam compared to the muslims i've met back in the uk for sure! i didn't know about the voiceover issue, sorry about that :)
Naaah. Being moslem is not identical to being Arabic. So No, it is not a sad thing for the mosque to be remodeled to fit the land it is located in. Btw, wasn't it the moslems who destroyed the sphinx's head?
@@jazondelta4976 Yes i agree . Being a Muslim is not being arab or the other way around . Most Muslims arent arabs actually . I never said that in my comment , actually the opposite . Second , Im an Egyptian and never heard about the destruction of the sphinx "head" . Its his nose that fell off Some say its a cannonball fired by Napelon Bonaparte's army in one of the french military wars in egypt when it was occupied . Always read the history first.
'To improve the condition of some mosques, as requested by many Muslims, Xinjiang authorities have built new mosques, and moved, renovated and expanded some run-down mosques..' . *15 Mar 2021 - New China TV - Xinjiang renovates old, dilapidated mosques.* Xinjiang renovates old, dilapidated mosques. Has Xinjiang demolished mosques, as reported by some foreign media outlets? Let's get the facts straight: Local Muslims and construction workers say old, dilapidated mosques have been renovated and expanded to improve facilities. (videoid: VvJ-v_RFFog )
What one gathered from Chinese history, is that the Muslims helped the Chinese people during one of those ancient dynasties. In return, they were rewarded by being allowed to live in China and own land. I personally find the Chinese policy of the government reveals genuine care to integrate the Muslims within Chinese society, an effort that many minorities in other countries do not find within multi ethnic and multi religious communities within a state that is governed by a majority.
hi, first, kudos for this simple yet fine video explaining how China views and works with culture interaction issues. I'm from Singapore, a generation apart from you but totally appreciative of the information and explanation you put forth in this and many other wonderful videos. In my view, Singapore takes a not dissimilar stance (from China) towards many societal issues, including those towards religious harmony and societal security. Compared to the turmoil we had in the 60s and 70s, I would say that my government did a good job and similar results will likely continue to prevail in China going forward. Thanks again for your good work. BTW In Singapore, we still know Islam as 回教。
Good informative video. Though I must asked, was it really necessary to build a mosque in Chinese cultural style to the point of demolishing and reconstructing an existing mosque? Are other cultures styles not acceptable in China?
Ask yourself a question: do your country allow all the mosques in your country to be Chinese-style buildings? If the answer is yes, your question is then meaningful. If your answer is no, then you know the reason why Chinese government wants the mosques in China to continue to be Chinese style.
@@julioduan7130 Ask yourself a question. Do you think that mosque originated from China or it's from other culture. What do you think I'm asking about? Some kind of woke western cultural appropriation or something? It's not wrong to build a house of worship in other cultures styles, but was it *really necessary* to destroyed and rebuild an existing one that still stand firm just so it can be in one particular culture style? Comprehend the question first.
@@micahttt Yes, it’s necessary to reconstruct the mosque in conform to traditional Chinese style mosque. As they visited the foreign influenced style mosque daily, making them think that they are different from other Chinese. Finally, they may want to separate themselves from China.
@@micahttt All the onion-dome style mosques were built in the past 30 years. They are not what mosques in China used to be. We don’t want foreign influence in our country.
@@julioduan7130 Using that logic, every hindu temple in Europe need to be rebuild in European cultural style then. Every churches in India need to be rebuild in Indian cultural style. Every houses of worship of different faiths and cultures in all other countries need to be rebuild in the style of that countries culture.
In my opinion if China want to incorporate Chinese architectural design into the local Muslim community it should be done by constructing new mosques with Chinese design instead of Middle eastern flavor. It’s wiser to leave the old historical buildings alone. It’s part of your history and identity too. In our country Malaysia we have 30% ethnic Chinese living and practicing their religion and culture. Can you imagine the feelings of the people affected or the backlash the government will face if they suddenly decide to tear down old temples or churches and make them comply with a more Malay design.
the middle Eastern looking ones are much newer than you think. most are less than 50 years old. the historic 800_1000 year old mosques in China looked very Chinese
12:40 The Holy Quran in no way justifies murder; it unequivocally states, “Whosoever killed a person … it shall be as if he had killed all mankind” (5:32). Even uneducated farmers can understand this in the Quran. Also, The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission' to one god Allah, and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. So Islam is a religion of universalism, tolerance, peace, and reconciliation not a religion of terrorism or killing people like you see in the media, that is not what a true Muslims is.
this video is scandalous, I apologize to tell it. "hina has built nearly 400 internment camps in Xinjiang region, with construction on dozens continuing over the last two years, even as Chinese authorities said their “re-education” system was winding down, an Australian thinktank has found. (...) About half of the 60 facilities which have recently been expanded are higher security, suggesting a shift in the nature of the central government campaign against minorities in Xinjiang." Source: The Guardian. As I got comments from negationists, I remind you that the UNO expresses its deeps concerns abouts this question "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China".
@@MartinJacques-i2t No. And in fact, many western independent journalists went to Xinjiang, but couldn't find evidence of those claims by the western media. In fact, they have already searched but couldn't find such a claim. I have also watched some British and American RUclipsrs who went to Xinjiang, all of them debunked about the claim made by the western governments about Xinjiang. From there onwards, I began to doubt the western narrative of Xinjiang. Especially when they used to claim that the Uyghur language was banned in Xinjiang and the rest of China.
@@louisw4155 I let you read this document written not by a government, but the UNO "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China" I hope it will convince all and all negationists
I am afraid a point is being missed. Shouldn't Muslims decide how their mosques look rather than a secular government? Mark Twain once wrote that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. i believe he meant fake patriotism. Why would a secular government require religious compounds to post slogans about patriotism on a church? Does a religion have the need to post religious slogans on government buildings? Shouldn't there be a separation between church and state? Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's? And - you did not mention the plight of the Uighur people. The CCP seems troubled by the various peoples of China. Does it really want all Chinese to be Han Chinese? Mao was Han Chinese. Deng Xiaoping was Han Chinese. Xi Jinping is Han Chinese. Have all the CCP premiers been Han Chinese men? Isn't Mandarin Chinese actually the native language of the Han people? America, Australia, New Zealand, and many other nation-states have used forced assimilation of tribal peoples to create one national language, but is this really necessary? Switzerland is a multi-language nation. It's doable. Cantonese and Han can exist together. Why not church and state? This is done in many countries. I love your short videos. Keep up the good work! The world has much to learn from China. i miss the contributions Li Xiqi used to make.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm from Indonesia, and there have been some news that basically china govt bans Islam, discriminate muslims, and even forbid muslims from fasting. I honestly think those news' are biased and unbased because such news has happened to Indonesia too. So I'd like to hear some perspectives like yours, who is local.
SE Asia countries are mainly colonial by western so even today, our 90% of our news r painted by western via English to display China or any countries not listening their "rules" with all the bad image and malicious info. Glad that SiMing can bring e truth to the world.
You are enlightened and wise beyond your years. Your vids are so impressive in both content and style. I am interested in learning more about the Uyghur issue bc I fear that the view from the US lacks insight and nuance. I have traveled to China for business on several occasions and find the people and culture fascinating. Thank you for making these vids.
Islam and socialism/communism often being pitted against each other whether in fact there were lots of example of these two can work side by side, because both are teaching about communal way of living, support workers and working-class family and just taking care of each other in general. Islam is also a flexible religion, meaning it can adapt to local values to ensure the good reception and understanding of its teaching especially in early years or period of Islam. In case of Islam in China, several studies and notes pointed out that Islam has arrived in China since early years of Islam, dated back to when some of the companions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were still alive. So, in a sense, it also came in its purest form of teaching.
The early islamic mosques do not have dome or crescent moon. Those are non arab architectural style which becomes popularised later. However the minaret is best to be kept, because its easier to find a mosque with minaret
maybe it's the influence of ahong/ Hu Songshan and his organization Yihewani, as Mr Hu got Racist treatment when he got to mecca for Hajj from fellow Muslim arabs. so he leave wahabism thought. so he campaigning Islam nationalism rallied against Japanese. interestingly his story similar to khj. Ahmad Dahlan the founder of Muhammadiyah one of the largest Muslim organization in Indonesia
A vital part of a thriving society is that people from all backgrounds should feel they belong to the greater whole. At the other end of the extreme, you would have a divided society where the minority feel like they do not belong, the majority suspicious and fearful of the minority, and both succumbing to misinformation and misunderstanding. By the way, I watched it through at 1.75 speed and missed not a single word. Impressive delivery!
the greater whole for Muslims is Ummah, which is the community of believers world wide. Until we find a middle ground between Ummah and country, Islam will be forever an outlier. But at its core l, it's a uniting force, no matter your color, ethnicity, country of origin and even your previous deeds, Islam will embrace you like your mother's love.. That's why it's appealing, but it's true that it can cause people to detach from their "country" which is after all an artificial construction that doesn't truely exist...
12:25 when you explain about the intuitive logic for Chinese people versus foreigners.. This is precisely why it is so valuable and necessary to perserve 'a people', culture, nation. Presently, I'm from a european country and for the last 20 years Europe has taken in billions of refugees, but those were people who tended to integrate. Now we have expats, who are very different, for they don't integrate, earn better money than the average local person, don't pay taxes for x amount of years etc. It's causing a 'disruption', not because of the economic differences, but because people tend to overlook these sort of 'nuances' in how peoples who share a long history with each-other embody a collective consciousness. What you state about the Chinese mindset, which makes complete sense to you (and which is something I had to also uncover to understand, for the same motivations you did) but doesn't translate well to the other side, is why I think we should value our local communities, our history, our culture and identity more. In the West, we're losing all of this. Not because of immigrants, but because we're erasing it ourselves as well. Our politicians contribute to it. They want a 'global' world. But in the process we're losing ourselves and people are, indeed, lost. So many teens and children who are mentally unstable. Thank you for pointing it out because I sincerely wish people would understand this very fact of the different type of consciousness that you embody, coming from the lineage, heritage, history and culture you were born into. It's so easily overlooked and people truly don't seem to notice how valuable it is to understand it, in order understand yourself.
The Quran is suitable for every era. If you cannot understand it and adapt your life to it that is a you problem not a Quran problem. I like how you gave your opinion in a clear manner. Thanks for showing the true colour of what is this all about conformity, which is never good for humans as we are not machines.
like marrying 6 year old, slavery, marrying son's wife, killing every one doesn't believe in Allah, sperms come from ribs, and jihad. sorry I'm happy to be atheist
Here is the thing. In my understanding culture and religion is not the same things. Not on Islam at least According to Islam, there is no superiority over culture… All culture is welcome as long as it does not contradict my religious beliefs. I like how this man explained that “if I didn’t wear a head cap doesn’t make me less Muslim than who wears one.” In the holy Quran and authentic Hadith, you will never find anything where it’s identified any specific fashion and culture to follow. It’s saying you need to cover your body but didn’t say which colours or any fashion to follow. It says the mosque needs to be a clean and comfortable place to pray and doesn’t mention any dome or any colours. Islam gives us complete for freedom to follow it according to our culture. Just protect yourself from haram. Also, the writing in the mosque caught my eye… 3:11 the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself taught that the "love for one's nation is a part of faith" My life in China makes me understand Islam more than any other Islamic nation. Where I found cultural diversity in Islam. And local Chinese are quite respectful towards Muslims... I saw halal restaurants make a double business as any other restaurant. Most Chinese people prefer Halal restaurants. I think “ Langzou la main “ is the largest restaurant Brand in China. I am currently living in Dubai. Unfortunately, I have to say, I found more Islam in China than in Dubai. Dubai is a Muslim-majority region but here Islam getting fade away day by day. the new generation is much influenced by western culture and going far away from Islam. May Allah help us and our loved ones to protect ourselves from this fitnah
I am really inspired by the great service you are doing for mankind, You are very good hearted and you are a talented teacher especially for me as an American to help me observe some of my prejudices, and let them go and think more in terms of being in human brotherhood with Chinese people. Thank you.
welcome back friends for another video - didn't forget you!🥳 Making a video to articulate controversial stuff takes time to think through and I don't just want to just speak from a predictably 'Chinese viewpoint'. let me know what you think of the video!
edit: to all muslim friends who reminded me to not have the Quran reading as background music - apologies! I wasn't aware of this and I just thought it sounds beautiful. I'll be mindful of that in future videos!
The first mosque didn't have moon and crescent nor did it have a dome, moon and crescent came from ottoman empire, dome was built only because when you do azan the noise can echo and be heard clearly,
Has the Christians churches changed? Has there building changed to a square block and the cross taken off🤔
Does it matter if the first mosque had a dome or crescent? Prayer can be performed out in the open , but these domes n crescents did develop n sort of became part of Islamic culture n identity
Why is the majority Buddhist or confucinist are scared of these domes ,
It's a start that takes place from domes to dress code then to food , that's how you erase a culture religion n language but it's not gonna help China in general to take hold of Africa Asia n Middle East
People are already tired n sick of America n European
They want China n China wants them too but at home China is scare of similar looking Chinese who happens to be Muslims
What happened to Muslims in Yunnan ?
Read about it , they were hustling n bustling a beautiful city more patriotic n chinese than one can think of
They were destroyed to pieces in 24 hours
Forced to eat pork wear non Islamic clothing n more than 1600 killed 4000 houses destroyed cuz these peaceful Buddhist couldn't see them thrive rapidly.
Thank you for sharing the Chinese first-person point of view. Now allow me to share the strictly-Muslim point of view about Islam in China, especially from a highly respected scholar. Maybe this will enrich your understanding on the issue : ruclips.net/video/IflvQUDO9LU/видео.html
You will find Muslims rushing at you advising or somehow you feel they are lecturing you.
I want to make it easy if it offends you or somehow looks strange for you.
Actually for Muslims Islam is the best thing happened to them even if they have less money or more money but life after death for Muslims is eternal life. Some strive very hard for it or some may not but by belief all of them want to be forgiven by Allah and ultimately enter into Paradise. They truly want to share this best thing with you so you can live a happy and eternal life after death and for us Muslims if we could become source of hadayah for anyone it will be benifit to us so that is the actual purpose behind so much excitation from Muslim Brothers and Sisters. I truly wish you a very happy life here and after death as well. ALLAH Kareem!
in Indonesia we have the Cheng Ho Mosque, which is a mosque with Chinese architecture, the mosque was built to honor a Chinese Muslim admiral named Cheng ho (Zheng He) who spread Islam in Southeast Asia.
I did a bit of a search and the mosque looks gorgeous! It makes me want to visit one day :) thanks for sharing😊
@@SimingLan In this case, the Indonesian government should demolish the Chinese designed mosque and build an Indonesian style mosque. Because the Chinese are doing the same.
@@thelatai5792 Well there is no specific mandatory architecture design when it comes to a mosque so it is pointless for them to do that. Mosque just has to point toward black cube in Mecca and no idol or statue inside it. Thats it.
@@thelatai5792 Yes, they can if they want. Chinese don't care about how other countries' people deal with their buildings. They can bomb it or adapt it into other styles. In the same way, Chinese gov can decide independently what a Chinese mosque should look "Chinese", which is none of your business.
@@yuzhang7657 govt. decided independently? 😄 who is ownar of chaina? People or Government? Mosque is the property of muslim, not of your f*u*c*king govt
When I was a Child, I lived in the Hui Autonomous Region(Chan He district, Luoyang City), and my neighbors were Muslims. They would put up Spring couplets like us, but theirs were green. There were many beef shops on the street, and I loved their food. Living there for 13 years, can you imagine the Chinese government's policy towards minorities？the district government is a Muslim building, has a Muslim church and Eid festival, and our district president is a Hui Muslim.😊😊😊
A Muslim mosque not a Muslim church 😅. Church is for Christian
"Can you imagine the Chinese government's policy towards minorities" 😂😂. I mean are you getting paid by the government? I mean China always does this, they have this group of bots and people dedicated to preserving the image of China on a international stage. Still i will assume you are saying the truth about you living with muslims. But if your above statement about the so called "behaviour of Chinese government towards minorities" is true then i would like to listen your thoughts about the uyghur muslim minority in the east turkistan region, which China annexed and renamed it as xinxang province of its country.
Chinese policies towards minorities, oppress them, force them into producing goods for China, rip off their culture and religion, put them in concentration camps, force them into marrying Chinese family to make them forget about their religion by forcing them into Chinese culture, ban them from acquiring religious education, ban them from teaching quraan, ban them from wearing niqab and burkha and jilbab;in a leaked video they were literally cutting women clothes because they were too long, men were detained for praying and reading quraan, they were forced to drink alcohol during Ramadan and are also banned from fasting.
And don't come and say that these are lies because we have evidences of the abuse, leaked documents about the victims present in the camps, actual witnesses of the people who escaped the Chinese oppression.
May Allah make it easy for the oppressed uyghur people. Stay firm, indeed your lord will reward you. And InshaAllah we will free you from these oppression.
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Chinese policies towards minorities"
So tell me about the treatment of uyghur under Chinese govt.
你为什么只看西方媒体制作的假新闻，而不看真正的游客在新疆拍摄的视频
Chinese Muslims don't necessarily look Arabic or dress in the Arabic traditional style, and Chinese mosques don't necessarily look Arabic either. It is a great feature of Islam that it can be embraced by such a diverse group of people.
Hi Islam in China mostly introduced through silk road which many Iranian Muslim merchants have travelled to China even some of them become residents in China which Islam introduced by them to China.
@@ashvazdanghe Iran - China relations go back two thousand years in history and are so friendly and peaceful and profitable that it is almost fantastical. I have great respect for this relationship and I hope it continues for two thousand years more.
@@ashvazdanghe Islam came to China by two major routes: Overland, along the Silk Road, and by sea, through the Arab traders.
@@cannyeyes382 The region between now as Iran and China. The trade between two region is above two thousand years.
Unifieddynasty your comment applies to every church/religion/spiritual practices club in the world and everyone of them that are "registered religious organizations" are in bed with terrorists calling themselves bankers and governments . Jesus threw the money lenders (bankers) out of the temple as an example to them those and they who have "turned the house (earth) of my father into a house of merchandise" , soon by the power of the Christ the entire corrupt monetary system of fraud and blackmail will be gone forever and all our needs for living in comfort and good health will be shared freely without fear or favor 🙏
It's not just Guangzhou, if you go to Xi'an, Ninxia etc. All those oldest mosques in China share similar elements of Chinese traditional architecture. Very few exceptions are old mosque in Quanzhou which is Persian style brought in by Persian merchants but was preserved as part of World Heritage Site.
Their qibla face Petra, not Mecca. Why? Islam is a lie,
The first mosque faces Mecca is in 727. Islam is a fabrication by the Abbaside Califat.
@@twnb7733it’s almost like it’s hard to point to an exact direction when the Mecca is thousands of miles away genius 🤡
@@bitchesihate *what did quran say about creation of earth?* _..He spread out the earth He made it flat.._
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[Quran 79:30] Sahih International: And after that *He spread the earth.*
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[79.30 Tafsir al-Jalalayn] and after that *He spread out the earth He made it flat* for it had been created before the heaven but without having been spread out;
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*in islam, if earth is rotating sphere then it always have a night somewhere at any moment and the muslim god (allah) will stay forever in lowest heaven.*
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*Only the earth is flat the muslim god (allah) descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left..*
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[Sahih Muslim: 758 a] 6 The Book of Prayer - Travellers (24)Chapter: Encouragement to supplicate and recite statements of remembrance at the end of the night, and the response to that
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Our Lord, the Blessed and the Exalted, *descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the latter part of the night is left,* and says: Who supplicates Me so that I may answer him? Who asks Me so that I may give to him? Who asks Me forgiveness so that I may forgive him?
Reference : Sahih Muslim 758 a
In-book reference : Book 6, Hadith 201
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 4, Hadith 1656
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Why can't an imam do an interview without being approved by the government.
The Qur'an doesn't talk about getting rewarded for jihad and receiving 72 virgins.
No way
Okay so the Quran doesn’t say that🙄, but the Hadith says that, and there is no difference because Muslims believe in it too.
And don’t try to prove me wrong with your Taqia’a 🙃🙂🙃
You really don't know as much about Islam as you think, demonstrated by the fact you throw around words like taqia when most of us never heard such a thing until ppl like you accused us of it. @@nrfkworld4178
@nrfkworld4178 there's no difference between Quran and Hadith? you're comparing God's word with human's.
@jeon1020 this happens when you are deceived by shaytan becoz of ignorance. Go study Islam well. Whatever is stated by Prophet ﷺ it is entirely from Allah SWT. Whatever Prophet ﷺ speaks is Truth. Learn about Islam well. Don't you feel ashamed of yourself you take duniya seriously but not deen.
The best China blogger is back! Honesty, integrity and reliable information!
''Honesty, decency and reliable information!''hahahaha🤣🤣🤣
@@mobdyc8267 anything u think she has ever said that is untrue ?
as a muslim from malaysia I’m very interested about the stories of Chinese muslims in china. ty for the video🤎
You are welcome!🥰
@@SimingLan Kadijah was a Judéo-Christian. The young poor Arab was converted to the judéo-christianisme. There is no Islam!
The first Chinese mosque face Petra, not Mecca. Islam is a lie.
@@twnb7733 khadijah was 40 years old when he married the prophet. Her cousin is said to be monothiest christian who saw muhammad and said he will follow him when he grow older but he died before that.
@@ظاريفادهام He was the first to translate the Gospel from the Hebrew to the Arabic. He was a Rabbi-Priest and presided over their marriage. So you tell me -- to which religion of Kadijah the young Arab had converted himself to?
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Thankyou for sharing this. I am a Muslim who lives in Indonesia. I'm just aware about the presence, culture and religion of Hui ethnic in China. About the architecture of a Mosque, I am sure that there is also great diversity across the muslim communities in the world, and it has also changed from time to time. In Indonesia, there are also old mosques (built around 16th century) with JAVA-nese (and not "Middle-East" ) Architecture to "conform" to the main culture at the time where HINDU culture was still dominant. I have seen a number of Mosques in Yunnan (and also in Indonesia) which were built by Chinese Muslim communities with Chinese architecture, and I think they are interesting. I like them.
abad 16 budaya hindu mendominasi dari mana cuk
@@kepinpin5277 ada mesjid2 dengan gaya arsitektur jawa
@@netgodzilla1 yaiyalah mesjidnya di tanah jawa. Bukannya yg bikin heran itu kalo ada mesjid dengan gaya non jawa wkwkwk
Israel is mentioned 32 times in the Quran. No mention of any Palestinian ( a white from the Crete). Islam is a lie.
@@kepinpin5277 ya inilah topik di video ini, si mba nya pertama mengira bahwa mesjid harus berkubah, dan pemerintahan China sedang menghapus kebudayaan Islam dengan membongkar mesjid dan diganti jadi arsitektur China...
Pas mba nya jalan ke masjid tertua di China, ternyata gak pake kubah dan arsitekturnya China banget...
Akhirnya dia nyadar bahwa Islam itu gak harus kubah...
👏China needs more RUclipsrs like you who can see things from different perspective.
An English speaking han person who talks to XinJiang people who speaks fluent mandarin you mean?Hold up a Quran infront of the police，film the muslims practice the Quran，openly discus the religion please.
As I got comments from negationists, I remind you that the UNO expresses its deeps concerns about the situation of Muslim people in China "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the
Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China".
In ancient China, mosques were all Chinese-style. All the domed mosques in China are not ancient buildings. They were all built after the reform and opening up, and most of them were built in the late 1990s and early 21st century. In recent years many Muslim women have begun to wear black robes, with only their eyes showing. The removal of the dome is to trace the original and return to the appearance of traditional Chinese mosques.
@@MartinJacques-i2t The Organization of Islamic Cooperation praised China for its treatment of Muslims and also criticized the non-existing claims of mistreatment of Uighur.
The world largest inter-government bodies endorsed China fairness and even handedness.
The Council of Foreign Ministers under OIC help a meeting in Abu Dhabi on March 1-2, and adopted a unanimous decision on proclaiming China's intentions and actions to upgrade its Muslims citizens. So the American instigated lies were proven false by OIC thorough investigations.
RUclips cannot be used in China as well as google, facebook etc.
Excellent video. I think most people don't know that the chinese mosques are being restructured, most people think they are just being demolished, so the video was very insightful
i'm glad you enjoyed it!😊
Restructured? What right does a state have to restructure private property let alone a religion? Odd logic.
@@vmoses1979 Sure, and US has the right to erase native Americans right?
@@vmoses1979 what's considered "rights" defer from countries and culture. In some Islamic countries, like Brunei, non muslims don't even have the rights to celebrate other faiths in public
@@calvyncraven1141 Tapi tetap bisa melakukan ibadah sesuai keyakinan mereka di dalam tempat ibadah mereka, dan tidak ada semisal perombakan bangunan tempat ibadah non muslim agar sesuai dengan keinginan pemerintah.
china has the most powerful cultural diversity with history. If they were able to embrace it, their soft power would be unstoppable. Mongolia section expressing the beauty of Mongols and their history. Tibet expressing the beauty of Bhuddism. Xinjiang expressing the beauty of Islam with a modern spin of kashgar architecture. These are all China and China is probably the only country capable of expressing the beauty of all religion as one.
The faith is most important from how the mosque looks like or culture practicing. At least the Chinese government replace it with new one in my opinion this is also good. No matter what culture what tribe we all Muslim people are one .
The first gentleman in the video said it wisely, he wore white hat as his Muslim identity but if he should took off his hat does that mean his not Muslim? He's still a Muslim at heart. It doesn't matter what exterior or accessories you wear as long as you're practicing & believing in Muslim values, you are a Muslim.
Thank you for your hard work for this video. Hope all of us can learn from each other to understand each other better.
It does matter what you wear as a muslim. It doesn’t negate your faith, the type of clothing you wear but you could be committing a sin if you wear something that is prohibited.
“ Muslim” is a newly invented term, you used to be called “Saracen”( Sarah send me away, the hands empty.) and Ismaélites. Israel is mentioned 32 times in the Quran. No mention of any Palestinian ( philistin from the Crete.A white!) Islam is a lie.
@@abdullahinoor3972 Where is the original of your modern Quran?
@@twnb7733they're all man made fairytales... out of delusions 😅
@@fsxmantra Why don’t you try? For its about your soul. I’ve prayed for many Muslims. They all saw the Christ, had visions….You lose nothing, but will earn everything.
Your comments about "not fitting into society and needing education" are interesting at 14:20. This is the same 'logic' used in the UK and Australia to tackle radicalisation, which is basically what the Chinese government is doing. Somehow people have interpreted the Chinese method as being 'repressive', while the very same strategy when used by them is 'modern and free'. Thought provoking.
It’s also what authoritarian governments say when they reindoctrate people. Can’t really know based on the vague statement.
there are actually eight other Muslim ethnicities/nations within China besides Hui and Uyghur. It would be great if you could cover eight other groups and how they practice, thanks!
Really? Can you name them?
@@armycarat647 in china,there are 10 ethnic groups that believe in Islam. They are: Hui, Uyghur, Kazakh, Uzbek, Tajik, Tatar, Kyrgyz, Sala, Dongxiang, and Bonan. ( translated from Chinese by machine)
@@蔡_徐_坤 you forgot the Han Muslim. And some Muslims living in coast provinces of Southeast China, descendants of merchants from Ancient Arab or South Asia .
@@jsb8888Yes, there are Muslims among my Han friends.
What about reports of tampering with Koran at Uighar mosques; Also refusal of entry to mosques in Kasghar by males with their son(s) if these were under the age of 18 ??🤔
My previous comment was incorrect, China has only triple amount of mosques then western countries, which is still a lot.
China also has more Muslims in death camps than western countries
But how many Muslims there? What is the reliable source on this? Why is the percentage/s of Muslims showing low than Christians in different sources despite the permanent residence of Muslims before Christians? Is the Chinese government inhumanely controlling their numbers?
Because you have native muslims
But Europe dont have native muslims except for bosnia and turkey
So it's expected
@@lucythemotherofathests1465 Western countries have real genocide against Muslim countries killing one million Iraqis and other wars, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria etc. etc. and then the west produces propaganda and project their characteristics on to China which is what the accusations against Xinjiang, Tibet and HK is.
@@lucythemotherofathests1465😅so hard on other so easy on yourself hah?
Hi, I am from Indonesia, a country with most Muslim population in the world. In Indonesia, the early mosques also incorporate the original culture, the Hindu and traditional style. Due to this strategy, the population could easily accept Islam as a new faith because it didn't clashed frontally with their original culture. Only when Islam had become the major religion, the more Middle Eastern style was incorporated. And now, several new mosques even use modern and avant-garde style, leaving the ubiquitous dome shape.
Regarding the assimilation of religion, the history is a bit different in Indonesia, since Islam finally become the dominant religion. Even with the domination, Islam has evolve into a more "Indonesian" style, with its own unique culture and tradition. Only in the last decade there is a purification movement ignited by the new Islam awakening around the world.
Irony Islamic Pakistan got great relationship with China as most of the Islamic world
The Muslims only got anger towards Hindus India Jewish Israel
You must understand
India to Spain unprovoked invasions conquest forced conversions enslavement religious vandalism etc committed by followers of Islam
Entire powerful empires
Persian Zoroastrian empire Iran totally Islamic
Turkey mere five hundred years ago was Byzantine citadels of Orthodox Christian
Buddhist Afghanistan Hindu Pakistan Assyrian Christian Iraq Syria Coptic Christian Egypt Orthodox Christian etc
Tons of Hindu temples destroyed or converted to mosques
I don't justify violence persecution islamophobia etc
But at least acknowledge that Islam also done similar to others
----In 624, the qibla was changed from Jerusalem to the pagan city of Mecca where the chief Moon-God, Al Lah, surrounded by 360 idoles, was worshipped. But Mecca was Only conquered in 630. It means that you have been the Moon God, idole worshipper since 624.
@@twnb7733 This shows you don't know anything. The first thing Prophet ﷺ did after conquering Kaaba was destroy these idols of these false gods
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That's religious vandalism
True God?
God is our own making
A true God wouldn't demand annual BBQ hundreds of thousands of animals
True God delivered some very disturbing and unsavoury things in that so call holy book of his
And those hadiths have portrayed his apostle in a very disturbing character
Captured kaibar saffyia taken away her father brother executed husband Kinanan being trtred to reveal where the treasure was hidden?
No insist we fight in his cause etc that's an incompetent God if he "needs" if he can't get things done on his own
Every religion build a place of worship with labour of their own hands and love of their hearts
Islam captured a pagan city Mecca , usurp the pagan kabbah committed religious vandalism
This is nothing but imperialism no pray and supplication meditation of the heart can be acceptable to the God of a purified spirit from such EVIL actions
Christian Zoroastrian Hindu Buddhist places of worship vandalized or converted to mosques
This is pure demonic
True God is just your belief
@@mohammadyaqoob746 ya like savages and barbarians 😂
China is so huge (huge land far and wide,1.4 Billion population), it cannot afford to have its ‘children’ fighting, and tearing the ‘family’ apart. So far, China’s approach to maintaining peace, order, stability, economic growth and security has worked well. It has even miraculously lifted 800 million of its people out of poverty in less than 50 years! And no other countries have come close to achieving such technological and infrastructural advancement as China did. As time goes on, the Dalai Lama loses more supporters, because people can tell that he was used by the US in its break away n conquer strategy to weaken China.
Thank you for providing a nuanced perspective into the Hui Muslim identity. Your video reminded of a Hui couple and their restaurant I visited in Kunming. It was a one of my most memorable experiences during that visit.
12:49 nowhere in the Quran does it say anything about 72 virgins. I know you mean well but please be careful not to spread misinformation. If there's a way to edit the video, please do so. Thank you
If the mosque was built hundreds of years ago, why does it need to suddenly make changes now in order to “integrate”? Hasn’t it been integrated for many lifetimes?
in the past, it was shabby, but generally merges with Han architect style. After 1990s，China become rich and rebuid mosques with onion dome .But recent years,massacres and separative happens,like the vedio shows in Kunming and Xinjiang, government found out it's a must to take measures.Then mosques are rebuilt as its once looking
As Asianmuslim myself, a most eloquent clip ever on Utube. I totally agree with your point of view. You know for sure, main problem in this kind of situations - is west would love to exploit these kind of situation in any where in the world. So for practicality's sake most people would probably agree with your point of view.
Comrade Xi Statemanship leading Islam to New Heights
The problem is that Islam is not just a religion of worship that we often see in the daily lives of Muslims.
Islam is a methodological system of life both individually, family, community and State.
Islam must be upheld in a comprehensive manner according to the capabilities of its adherents.
Being able to mean here is being able to be patient in carrying out God's commands and being able to accept the risks. What is certain is that the risks are multilevel, and each level of risk gets a different reward from Allah.
Islam works with most countries, in China there is more mosque than even in western countries
Now, try to think about the CHINESE culture, in a way that you thinking of Muslim. It is not only the whole system of life but it is the greatness religion of the Chinese. That here comes a real problem, how to make all kinds of religions coexisting peaceful with a greater religion aka Chinese culture for thousands of years.
Hi i may say that to be saved good works is not enough. It is not that way since salvation is by grace of God not of our own good works. This is the truth. So one must accept his gift - His son Jesus, then he will work into oneself to do good works, thats the fruit of being saved.
This is the problem of Islam, not just individuals and families. Islamic social organizations used to be very powerful. The police would shield Muslims and ordinary Han people would be oppressed. Islamic rules not only bind Muslims, but also the pork smell of Han neighbors wafts to Muslim homes and will be chased by Muslims with knives. Muslim organizations are too overbearing. In China, where China is a country of citizens, citizens act according to the law, rather than being forced to abide by Muslim rules above the law.
In modern countries, religion must exist as a philosophical thought and a custom of life. Once adopted as the creed of the organization, the leader of the organization can do anything in the name of God. Terrorist attackers even feel that they are just .
Your insights and critical analyses are blowing my mind, and it's awesome. It's so easy for an outsider to judge another countries actions and policies from a biased lens.
As I got comments from negationists, I remind you that the UNO expresses its deeps concerns about the situation of Muslim people in China "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the
Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China".
Both Islamic and Christian Chinese are being persecuted especially if they do not bend to the Chinese government. That is why the message of patriotism. The woman doing the show even said that country was most important. But in both Islam and Christianity put God first and not the government.
Her insights and analyses kept one in suspense. Neither here nor there. Somewhat a borderline comment.
Like your style of presenting and balanced view. Thanks for your videos and really enjoy it.
welcome, Bobby! good to have you back:)
Perhaps the Domed mosques of the Uyghurs were already part of East Turkestan that was taken over by the Chinese in the 18th Century, hence they were not in the 'Chinese Style'.
ahh regarding the arabic style dome, my grandfather was Hui Muslim and my mum told me the arabic style mosque never existed in China, even in western part of China, until recent decades, for example the first Mosque in Xinjiang looks completely non-arabic, it is completely a central asian architecture, so China is merely remove the later outside influence, and resume to what it should be, btw, your english is excellent, and your reporting looks sincere
大伊斯兰运动，阿拉伯人搞的，还好共产党的反应不慢。
Thank you for the update. as I suspected this dome shaped architect probably wasn't there, it was a recent importation from the middle east due to oil boom and all the scholarship and sponsorship that was peddled from that part of the wold.
needless to say other undue influence which is unwanted also arrived.
Are u practising Islam?
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The domes of Mosques in the Middle East evolved from the East Roman church dome construction tradition. When Arab Muslims conquered previously Christian regions in the Middle East, churches were sometimes turned into Mosques. An example is the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus. Minarets were a Muslim innovation to facilitate the call to prayer.
Thank you !
I have started to watch more of your videos! You have done SO MUCH in depth research to help present these situations, perspectives, opinions...
Thanks for making this video. I didn't know that the mosques are not demolished, but the gov is replacing them with new ones with Chinese architecture. I am pretty cool with that actually. Cheers. Greetings from Malaysia.
So when the Chinese come to Africa, the African people should paint the Chinese face black. forcing them to speak Afrikaans.
@@thelatai5792 lol Chinese hui Muslims don’t look like middle easterners and they aren’t making those people look oriental😂😂 they already look like Chinese.
@@prgrg4287 yah, it's scary to think what they would do if hui people really looked like middle easters!
@@thelatai5792 She talks about the building, you talk about the human, what is the correlation ?
@@thelatai5792 Your hatred for china seems to be destroying your common sense! make istighfar if you are muslim.
Hi!
the whole "Islam says that doing Jihad will give you 72 virgins" tag line was a mischaracterization which was made popular by the USA in the Bush era by anti Muslim Warhawks as a form of propaganda to get the American public onboard with the invasions in the middle east.
Nothing that Islam teaches is harmful, I was with you throughout the entire video, but have to disagree on this tiny part, otherwise loving your work, and looking forward to more!
Most the things you may hear about Islam being bad or other, is usually gross misinterpretations or misunderstandings of scriptures, often made by non-muslims who wish to defame Islam ( mostly done by a wave of anti-muslim grifters who acted like "experts" on Islam and Islamic nations in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 to make money off the US govt.)
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In Islam:
The Universe and the entirety of Cosmos was created by Allah,
the best description of Allah would be sura ikhlas.
in regards to humans,
Allah then sent human messengers to the rest of humanity to convey rules and knowledge to humanity
more than 124000 prophets were sent throughout human history to all the various cultures and nations of earth,
But
over time, the people tended to forget or lose chunks or heavily distort portions of the message/religion (Pure Monotheism, the 1st half of the shahada "la ilaha illallah")
this is why according to Muslim belief, all world religions and cultures mostly tend to have many similarities, when human morality never needed to evolve in the same way even in tribes geographically separated from each other.
the Last prophet was Muhamad s.a.w. who was sent with the Quran, and allah completed his preferred religion for all of earth's humans as stated in the Quran.
which means that Islam (the primordial religion of which the Quran is the final text) is now stuck in stone and hence cannot be changed nor altered.
As such one cannot claim that the religion is outdated, since although the rest of the world can change, the religion will be like an iron pillar, and unmovable rock, a firmament and foundation that the rest of the world has to conform to, than the other way around. or else the religion is hollow and malleable and means nothing.
I may have misunderstood you and when you said "outdated religious teachings" you probably meant to say "incorrect" or "misunderstood" religious teachings, since sure ppl can misunderstand or be given false information by powerful people, but calling a religious teaching of the religion itself outdated would be incorrect to say.
the Jihad thing you stated is a modern invention, Orthodox, and original / traditional Islam denounces that. Terrorists like Osama Bin Laden themselves admitted that they were breaking islamic rules due to political reasons. their justification for ignoring the rules of War as clearly stated in the quran ( you can' hurt noncombatants, old ppl, clergy or religious buildings of any religion, trees, animals, enemies suing for peace) were flawed and based on a cherrypicked and easily debunked and misguided obscure fatwa from some random cleric which didn't even properly apply.
SO, basically the terrorists today ( all those who evolved from the original US funded terrorist groups ) have 0 religious backing for their crimes.
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That said, Islam is global, and does infact teach about putting humanity as a whole first above nation state identities, much like communism which was intended to be a global movement for the betterment of all workers in every nation, tribe, class and creed.
I think China could adopt Islam into its communism to forge an expansionist ideology for promoting communism as a system and islam as its official religion ( with differing outwardly expressions [architecture, food, fashion] based on the people) to renew the project of spreading the upliftment of all classes of humanity as Marx & Lenin etc. originally hoped.
P.S. You don't have to be Hui to be Muslim, there are many Han Muslims too, anybody can be a Muslim.
You can Too!
P.P.S Love you work! Looking forward to More!
Han Chinese become Hui as soon as they become Muslim.
@@user-dt7qf1me1v Isn't there also an ethnic component to it though? considering that Hui ppl may have trace Arab blood in them, considering the fact that they descend from the Arab traders who were mandated to marry local Han women as a method of chinese-fictaion?
@@kamekameha721 Shariah is only applicable for Muslim. A non Muslim is not adjudicated by it unless they willingly submit to the law. In the past each group should be Judged based on their religious law. Islam with Shariah, Jew with their Torah and Christian with their Bible.
@@kamekameha721 shariah law is the best law basically a law that has heavy punishment but is hard to apply. the problem is that ppl think oh if you steal you'll be punished by the amputation of the offender's right hand but most ppl only know . Of course you can't just give the punishment just because they're stealing. You need to know the reason why they're stealing whether they steal because of poverty or they steal because of their greediness (they steal some expensive stuff because they couldn't afford it while they have money is enough to buy the things they need) . So the person who steals because of poverty won't receive the punishment while the other person will receive it. That means the qadi(judge) have a heavy responsibility they need to know the reason why the person steals or whatever crime they did as detailed as possible because if they give the wrong punishment they'll be questioned by Allah whether they did their duties perfectly. There are a lot of misconceptions about shari'a law yeah it's true the adultery will be stoned to death but that for the married men and women while the unmarried will get lashes.
The Qur’an firmly forbids adultery in this verse: "Those who commit adultery, men or women, give each of them a hundred lashes" Qur'an 24: 2.
However as I said the qadi (judge) can't just give the punishment. It is therefore important to mention that in the first cases of accused women of adultery, the Qur’an issued a binding law that consists of "confining" women accused of adultery to their homes until further notice.
The verse says: "Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way."(Qur’an 4:15). We can notice in this verse that the Qur'an primarily requires the testimony of four witnesses, which is certainly not likely to happen.
"Keeping" women in their homes can be considered a means of protecting them from becoming victims of popular opprobrium, which is in itself, a temporary means of avoiding abuses based on rigid mosaic legislations of that time.
The following verse marks the second phase in the Qur’anic reform: "And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient” ; Qur’an 24; 4.
Fyi One of the major sins in islam is to accuse an innocent woman of adultery.
It is even more important that the Qur’an requires providing irrefutable evidence of adultery.
This Qur'anic measure makes accusation extremely difficult, if not impossible. The proof of adultery requires the presence of four eyewitnesses who, according to the Muslim law, must have witnessed the sexual act and relate the same descriptions,which is virtually impossible.
The new measure remains extremely difficult to implement since it is conditioned by the testimony of four people of good faith to validate the accusation of adultery. The obligation to provide four eyewitnesses is a drastic measure, which makes proving the adulterous act very improbable. The Quran is very strict regarding false testimonies and punishes those who present false testimonies with the same penalty as that of adulterers: flogging along with the loss of all of their civil rights. It shows that its hard for the punishment to be implanted.
In Islam as long as the person already matures the way they think and alr hit
puberty, they consider as adults. I mean in the past there was no age set by the government like nowadays for example if you're 18 years you'll consider as an adult in my country or in most country, in new Zealand 20 years old and 19 in Korea . You do know that people in the past married as soon as they hit puberty so you can't make it the same how society works nowadays and in the past.
Among those going into marriage, the basic requirement in sharia law is that they must not only have completed puberty but also have the full maturity to recognise and be able to meet their rights and obligations in marriage .
@@kamekameha721 I wonder wut proof you will show hopefully you ain't using Iran (Taliban), isis they are not even following what Islam teaches , in Islam you can't force ppl to wear hijab but look what happened In iran. What I got to say is that their leader will be questioned by Allah whether they did their duties correctly (Allah asks details as if their citizens had to live in poverty because they are not taking any initiative to improve the citizens life) tbh all countries leaders will also be questioned the same .At least show me proof from a country like brunei.
A very interesting take !
Just to say that apart from this story of 72 virgins nonsense never ever to be found in the Quran, it must be said that the Mosque and its dome are apparently several centuries old, so it should be kept as is, it's part of the Chinese heritage as well. Just like the Taj Mahal in India.
Also, I perfectly understand Chinese anguish to not get overwhelmed by Westerners like it was during the one hundred years of national humiliation. Never again.
In Indonesia, the biggest Islamic organization - called Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) - also holds a principle "hubbul wathan minal iman" that literally means "patriotism is a part of the faith".
Also I found another vlog about Hui Muslim community in Xi'an by Indonesian just as a comparison.
ruclips.net/video/VXaZv9JxhvE/видео.html
13:21 Saudi here, the way you touched on this part shows the same type of ignorance that you complain about when it comes to westerners learning about China. In order to understand it correctly just as you said, you need to have a glance it at from unbiased prospective, for example, Jihad doesn't mean what most people think it means and it can be harmful to everyone to interpret it that way. Islam promotes justice not violence, you have to understand the context of each verse to see the full picture. Lastly, thank you for the videos its really entertaining.
Your commentary is very important for Muslims from other geographic locations to understand that Islam melds into the people/culture it joins, not that an "Arabized" culture should represent Islam as a faith or culture alone. I became Muslim in China through Hui Muslims, his family had been Muslim for more than 1350 years, while a language student at Beijing University over 40 years ago. When I spent time as a language student and expat in the Middle East a decade later, I am so glad I was introduced to Islam outside of the Middle East...an understanding of Islam that was more kind, inclusive, and inculcating a softness toward others from Far Eastern philosophies--and not flagellation from an "Islam is superior-ity" complex that is not obvious to many Muslims bound to traditional thinking. Just take a look at the knee-jerk reactions of most Muslims in traditional Muslim states...form over substance. You are helping many people understand Muslim Chinese groups and the variation among them based on when the different schools of thought entered China.
Well said
Muslims should also be aware that western white people try to meddle between Muslims and the countries there are in as well as with other groups...most prominent example: Muslims vs. Jews. There are people who financially profit from making them fight.
it's not only because of that replacement of the mosque, uyghurs now are not allowed to grow beards nor wear islamic clothes,let alone the prouven camps
I have been to Nanguan Mosque in Yinchuan, Ningxia in 2013 and 2014., when the original architectural structure was still intact.
Thank you for sharing an "insider's view".
As someone who have had a great fortune to visit some of the impressive mosques from Malaysia to Oman and as a practising Buddhist with freedom to practise my faith without fear in my home country Nepal, it is deeply concerning that these magnificent domes are being replaced with flattened tops.
Places of worships are underpinned by philosophies of the concerned religion. They inspire us to reflect and contemplate on scriptures.
For example, Arabic calligraphy is only used in the domes of mosques not on their walls or floors. The calligraphy symbolizes God's words and highest wisdom. In Buddhism, our temples often have flatten roof to symbolize one taste of samsara (world) and nirvana (liberation).
I am actually concerned that this kind of approach whilst well-meaning may actually be short sighted and unintentionally eroding Islamic values.
it is ! and that's what they would like to do. homogenize the people so they conform better
I think you assume a lot. Islam been in China over more than one thousand year, during this time, islam developed a lot throughout the world, evolving into what you see today, same evolution happened inside of China too but separately from Arab countries, these also created huge differences. Buddhism architecture are different in different countries too, I don’t see this is really ‘eroding ‘ anything
Thank you , I was going to answer this Nepali self righteous guy, but you explalined to the point@@vanavana593
10:00 The man you interviewed was ambiguous not because he was ambivalent, but because he was afraid of what your beloved government would do to him in the middle of the night. I can't believe you're saying this with a smile.
13:00 Do you actually believe that extremist organizations have so much influence in a country with such an overwhelmingly powerful government? Did you even read the verse about Jihad? Where does it mention the virgins?
15:25 Who are you to tell people that they can't have mutually exclusive identities?
It's outrageous that you think the erasure of a religious identity is good intention. There is absolutely nothing well intentioned about forcing Muslims to become more distant from their culture and become more Han or patriotic. We muslims do not pay homage to any country. We respect the laws of our country of residence, but our religion is above all else. Borders were random lines created human beings.
在21世纪还保留这种意识形态只能使非伊斯兰国家中的穆斯林与非穆斯林之间增加冲突与隔阂，我们中国有中国的国家意识，任何时候，国家认同必须是放在首位的，在此之下信仰自由。
I live in sweden that is one of the most secular society in the world, maybe close to China in that respect. As a curiosity I live in a very small village in south of sweden and a few years ago a Bhuddist temple with a big golden Bhudda statue was erected! I went there out of curiosity and was told that there would be a holy meeting the next day with food and a cermon and was invited. I visited and met the three monks and was treated very well and the food was delicious. In the western world muslims clash with the values of many countries, in Switzerland there was a vote that stopped use of minarets especially with loudspeakers. In sweden there has been individuals burning copies of the Quoran and that has made sweden a legitimate target of terrorism. Some people here says that religion is the cause of all evil in the world.
Religion divide n segregate people.
看了你发布的很多视频，内容的细节到位且有逻辑，时间线清晰，最重要的是非常丰富且曲折的心路历程，支持你！近现代的中国经历了那么多苦难，再次站在世界舞台中央，很不容易。我觉得所有中华儿女应该自豪，感谢你能站出来向世界介绍中国！
It's not necessary that, a mosque should looks like a Arab's architecture.
In chaina it can be in Chinese architecture,
After It's a prayer place, it’s not how it’s look like,
But the main point is everyone should granted to pray as their believes
Siming, I just found your channel. I've gone through 3 videos, and I am so impressed and inspired by your sense of fairness, curious, and most importantly, honest assessment. These combinations gently removes doubt in your work for those who are more subscribed to western influences. I wish I was much younger as I would work in parallel to send these messages that you present. Cheers.
It's not green onion it's call dome okay??? I'm from Bangladesh 🇧🇩 I'm very happy that Bangladesh is a Muslim major country
i had visited this place sometime on the 25th China Import and Export Fair. And given a chance to pray in this Mosque, Alhamdulillah.
I watches a few days ago from vlogger Little Chinese Everywhere exploring Shadian muslim city. Apparently the city has the largest Mosque in south western china in arabic style and signature green dome built by Muslims in more recent history. With 40000 mosques around China, do you think policies vary from different counties or provinces to another?
No islam no terorist very good
I came across your vlog today
Appreciated the piece about your identity journey since age 15.
It takes courage and self confidence to bare your soul. Congratulations for finding peace at such a young age. Your identity will evolve with time and life experiences.
I know you will do well
I felt China had the right intention of weeding out extremism, but they executed it incorrectly just as you said. Without the direction of the Imams in those communities which would have helped the government greatly, they sort of created issues that didn't need to happen. I know that In Xinjiang a lot of those who came back from Syria were extremists and have those separatist values, which plays nicely into the USA's narrative. Which could have been the reason why the govt acted so quickly on the matter without proper education and planning themselves. After all, no one wants to live in a disestablished country. I felt more comfortable being a Muslim in China than in the USA. Muslim Chinese have always been a part of Chinese history, Arabic writing was on the Chinese yuan, I know it's mainly cashless now in China so I don't know if you can find an yuan but check it out. One of the first people to embrace and accept Islam was China. In fact China has some laws that are similar to Islamic law.
I also want to mention that the line about Jihad is incorrect, maybe you misunderstood. Jihad does not mean a holy war, it means to fight for oneself. So for example, to battle oneself in the pursuit for truth, or knowledge, for justice, or to become more strong in faith, or to strong in charity etc etc. Holy war is what extremists turned the word Jihad into made popular by their US funded leaders. Also 72 virgins are NOT mentioned in the Quran, it's only in a Hadith- which are 'stories' that were written by others 100's of years later. We take these books with a grain of salt. I personally do not really follow any Hadithes as the Quran is clear, no other text is to be followed.
I really enjoyed this video! I have to say I do feel like the Chinese govt doesn't like chaos, they still have that ying yang balance and to avoid chaos they make some mistakes like this. I do hope that the friendships with different Middle East countries and more conversation will help the govt to rectify the issues they have created from their poorly executed plans to stamp out extremism.
for them, extremists are all who know and take religion seriously and not those who call themselves Muslims but know nothing about their religion
中国政府的政策是否恰当取决于极端宗教分子做了什么，在2015年前，如果你生活在中国，你一定会每隔一段时间听到来自新疆的恐怖袭击，政府用强有力的手段控制了这些极端分子的恐怖袭击，住在新疆的的人，没有人会想和每天带着汽油，炸药，和砍刀的极端宗教分子交朋友。
我只能用中文向你解释这些，我只能看懂一部分英语，抱歉
go read the “leaked” report from the NYT, which is actually a local government meeting minutes or some sorts, it will give you the background of the reeducation camp implementation. Then you will find it’s probably the most humanity way to remove the root of extremism and actually help the Muslim society to more coexist with the modern human society. And you do not go other way around.
*what is jihad?* _in islam, jihad mean struggles._ *which Jihad is best?* _"..whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded." - Sunan Ibn Majah 4.24.2794.._
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[Sunan Ibn Majah] It was narrated that 'Amr bin 'Abasah said:
"I came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?' He said: *'(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.'"*
Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2794
Arabic reference : Book 24, Hadith 2900
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[Quran 9:111] Sahih International: Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. *They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed.* [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.
*Note:* _only satan will try to make a deal with mankind. god will never need to 'purchased' his own creation._
When reading from the Quran (or any religious scriptures) and stating that an early understanding / interoperation is somehow outdated and archaic does not logically make sense to me. Does it not make sense that the oldest / original understanding of the text would more reflect the true intention / original meaning ? Even more so, if one were to believe the words to be of divine origin or divinely influenced ? Surely "the word of God" does not change due to the passing of hundreds of years (very short time in the eyes of a supreme being) ? I would think you either believe it and follow it as is, or reject it. It's similar to modern Christians cherry picking texts and ignoring others to suit their "modern sensibilities".
I thank you for sharing us your point of view off your Chinese Muslim community.
The mosque got rebuild in Chinese architecture? As a muslim myself, I kinda scratch my head and ponder "What the harms of it" but then again after recalling video made by hoser channel, I kinda understand whats going on.
Did I get offended? Not really, like why I should? the mosque is rebuilt and the purpose is still a mosque.
Heck, in Indonesia there is Demak Mosque in Central Java that resembles none of how mosque usually looks like (e.g. domes ) and it looks more like a traditional javanese architecture. Is it still a mosque? yes. do people pray there? yes
but then again, it is kinda hard for non Chinese citizen visitor to distinguish which building is a mosque or not if it meshes too well with other surroundings.
I think a specific marking should be there to point out to foreigner where is the mosque and which building is the mosque.
You're wright girl, design of the mosque & what you're wear doesn't really matter as long as you know which parts of your body to be cover,Islam is super simple & straight forward, you don't have to follow import culture, just think Islam itself no force, even by forcing yourself are call force,so you don't have to follow others culture thank you so much girl, keep it up keep on research
Thank you for sharing Akasah!😊🥰
Can this be applied for india as well??? Coz we got lot of remodeling to do in india. 😊
It absolutely matters what you wear to a mosque, you HAVE to adhere to an Islamic dress code.
In this case, the Indian government should demolish the Chinese designed buddhist temple and build an Indian style temple. Because the Chinese are doing the same.😂
@@elite7329 the dress code for Muslims is not only what you wear to a mosque, but what you wear in public. The dress code is basically to cover yourself. There is no rule to wear things that look a certain way such as white hat, black robe etc.
This is one of the most well researched and presented RUclips "ammeter" video's I have seen really well done!
Awesome that you live in GZ, I live a little way away in ZS that has a super interesting history as well not as old as GZ but full of amazing milestones.
The only comment I can make is that this was a well presented open and factual video and I look forward to seeing more of them.
So interesting but it was also so paternalising and reducer... "don't worry we want your own good, you need to be educated". and the reflexion about the "72 virgins" as "archaïch" belief was so ignorant and paternalising also. Agree with another comment : "Destroying cultural motifs and identity is just cruel and cannot be justified no matter what anyone says.". Muslim identity is part of Chinese identity, you don't need to supress it to be more Chinese...
this allowed me to see the other side of the argument more (I have always heard about Xinjiang region in the news and about the treatment of the Uygur, so I never thought there would be tolerance to the Muslim faith in other parts of china as well). It is interesting to see the assimilation of culture and I think you explained it really well. Might visit china soon even 🌺👍
the "treatment" is NOT REAL, simply fabricated stories to feed anti-china propaganda, china is a country that has many religions, many ethnic people.
There is nothing better than to visit China to see the truth with your own eyes! If you want to, you can go all the way to Xinjiang and see the lives of people there. There is no restriction now that China had dropped the zero-covid policy. There were never any restrictions to go to Xinjiang all these years. The only restrictions were during the zero-covid policy to stop the spread of covid. Not only Xinjiang, you can't travel freely to most other places in China for the fear of spreading the virus.
Millions of foreign visitors had been to China and at least a million had been to Xinjiang.
What happened to all the detention camps that were caught on video.
@@jumbo9301 😂why would u believe those camp video?
Because it’s truth. They order them to cut off their beards, an Islamic injunction, and separate men from their wives. It is not only on video. A Turkish lady spoke about her uncle going missing there after being arrested by authorities
Hui Muslims had been, is and will forever be part of China!!!!! 😍😍😍
Such an enlightening video. You're very intelligent plus your command of English even exceeds native speakers with a post-secondary education. Full respect!
She is well trained to (deliberately) speak like a native speaker. Few I think would even contemplate much less to reach that goal. Of course it now comes naturally. Watch her earlier video.
Identity of Islam is thru its believers way of life. Islam is to a way of life, muslim are people who believe in God and submit to his teaching. As far as architecture, clothing and cultures, Islam allow for a wide range of variety. There is no such thing as islamic dome..it is just so happens that most culture with muslim in them.
Love your video...great study in preparing it
Very nuanced and well structured! I also like when your cat gave it’s cameo 😂
aw thank you Ankan! i know right, it's cute!
15:29 小虎🐯
Actually you nailed it a 3:19 when you said in China, the nation goes first. In China, the state is above religion. This is something a lot of people cannot wrap their heads around.
Almost 80% of people have no feelings about religion in China.
Do you think religion is above all else? over the national interest?
@@saahan-nn1fe No. Religion should not be above national interest.
Without country and its protection, nothing in that country will stand! No county understand that better than China which had been suffering 100 years of chaos and destruction by forigen power!
There is a need for one religion to be distinguished from another religion, otherwise, what is the point of having different names. Buddhism and Islam have theoretical and practical differences. So, why can’t these differences allowed to be manifested into each architectures? If walking into a traditional Chinese mosque, one cannot determine if it is a mosque or Buddhist temple, then I believe we have integrated to the point of not allowing each to practice their own religion freely.
Of course, Islam allows some degree into adaptation to local culture, but that doesn’t mean one has to give up its distinction. A true free society would allow distinction within its society, and let its people choose the path that they seems most logical or appealing. In long term, this is what makes a society resilient; allowing external influence as it can be a change for the positive.
That's your opinion only but in reality if a country and its citizens its 100% free to do whatever they like, then all you have at the end is division and chaos like in the USA
@@calvyncraven1141 diversity is not chaos. Allowing multiple ways of life can enrich people's experience and allow choose of path that is most suitable for that person, instead of force adherence to a single path. It allows higher efficiency. In China, so much integration has taken place that it is erasing minorities way of life and their religion/culture. This in long term will only harm Chinese as a civilization, because habit of great civilization is that it is capable to observe shocks and new idea.
@@ldijz there must be a balance in everything. And i think China is doing just fine. You cannot have too extreme of a diversity without some controls in place orelse chaos will follow.
Great explanation! That’s why we are able to tell the difference between synagogues,churches,mosques and other such temples, I think it’s important to preserve motifs that allow us to discern between different religions
I sympathy for both arguments. However, history of China requires strong central government. They fearful of chaos. Therefore, although governments have good intentions but not good at planning would understandable.
Genghis Khan and his descendants were open to religion. That's how it all started. They opened the doors and it can't be shut. Panda is building the silk road. You would think he would be open minded to few religions.
In Islam, God never ordered to start a war with anyone, except for the enemy who started it, we must defend ourselves in the Islamic way, which is to fight until the enemy stops it, if they decide to stop, God orders to stop the war, and God curses those who invade, Jihad has many meanings, it is not just a word for war
I'm glad I found you. I really enjoy your content! How come you only have 25K subscribers?! We need more of this type of content on RUclips.
Because it is not an anti-China channel but tells the truth.
Actually the dome was not originally Islamic. It was originally from the Christian churches during the Byzantine and Orthodox era. The muslims then took it as their own thereafter. Look at Haga Sophia church-turned-mosque in Turkey with the huge onion on it. Built in 537ad, that was there before the time of the Prophet Muhamad, born 570ad.
That explains why the oldest Chinese mosque in Guangzhou, which i already visited back in 2004, together with what was believed to be the resting place of the companion of the Prophet, Saad Bin Abi Waqqas, has taken the local chinese shape. Becoz at that time the early arab muslims who brought the religion to that southernmost province of China thru sea werent influenced by those onion shape churches of the Christians yet. Becoz Islam of the Prophet Muhammad's first generation of companions was still very new to any kind of specific shape or design. Only after a few generations when the Islamic conquests grew larger and wider esp during the 2nd century of the Hijrah calender or 7th century ad did they saw the onion shapes on Christian churches and decided to adopt it on their mosques.
(I am a Muslim from Malaysia and had studied in Egypt for 10 years... we still have a few old mosques in Malaysia of around 2 centuries old that took on local taste and design with no onion shaped roofs whatsoever. In fact it looked very much like a Chinese or Budhist temple design with sharp ends pointing up, with 3 layers of roofs and the only different with a Budhist temple was it was normally green in color. And this was the trend of most mosques in the whole of South East Asian region up until the onion shape came in during the second half of the 20th century. Pls google old mosque in Malaysia and Indonesia.)
Then the Islamic influence thru the Silk Road to China took place a few centuries later. The Arab and Persian Muslims then intermarried with local Chinese and the Hui people came to exist, who was originally a mixed of arabs persians and chinese but mostly Muslim in religion. Some of these arab persian muslims even served in the Mongol courts of Kublai Khan as ministers.
These muslims who came by land then introduced the onion shaped mosques in the central of China or along the Silk Road. This was already past 4 or 5 centuries after the first mosque in Guangzhou which had not yet brought any influence of the originally Christian onion shape. Becoz by then the onion was already prevalent in the Islamic world from Spain to India around 2nd century ad.
Btw, why i said that IT WAS BELIEVED to be the resting place of Saad bin Abi Waqqas was becoz there were 2 more claims of his resting place in the the middle east. And that that one in China actually belongs to his uncle.
To me personally as a Muslim, travelled far and beyond, i have no real affection for a specific shape of a mosque. The most important thing to me is that i love it when lots of people are inside praying or learning in it. Many old mosques in my country are already demolished to make way for modern style mosques with air-conditioned and all, something very much needed in a tropical country. Some maintain the good old roof shape and some just change it, by themselves, without any government intervention.
I love to see more videos from you, the Han Chinese girl.❤
I like your videos and how you clarify the issues. The control by the government of personal lives is the issue and freedom of thought and life pursuits, I feel, are the cure. Your English is excellent ! Thank you !
Peace & Love💕🌸🙏
"Patriotism is part of the faith" is actually an alleged statement (known as a hadith) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad (God's blessings be upon him). Some dispute its actually being spoken of by the prophet but it seemed very popular on the walls of mosques all over China that I have seen. I wouldn't have recognized it in Chinese but saw it written in Arabic often, even in calligraphy. (حب الوطن من الإيمان) I also remember many Hui restaurants having photos of Xi Jinping meeting Hui people in west China framed on the wall.
that's really interesting! I didn't know about this part of Islam. I initially thought it was perhaps a forged culture but it turned out to be a part of the teaching, too. :)
@@SimingLan Islamic Faith is predominantly concerned with the worship of only Creator God,Spirituality & Humanity & not with man made Borders,Flags,Symbolism,Architecture or Ultra Nationalism or Caste based Discrimination (as seen in Indian religion of Hinduism).
Just see Articles of Islamic faith as a Han or Communist Chinese & see where you disagree ❓? & if you agree, you are already a Muslim❗
Besides,you mentioned 72 virgins somewhere kindly provide refrence of it,I've never found it
@@Hassan_MM. nope, islamic faith is not predominantly just about worshiping a deity. A whole lot of it are rules on how to conduct every tiny bit of people's daily life or business, and how to rule other people, or slaves. And how to go to war. And justice system.
Nope, it's super duper complicated.
Patriotism the word can be traced back to 1500 AD, whereas Prophet pbuh came in 570 AD. the word Patriotism didn't even exist prior to 1500 AD. Since every mosque must have the patriotism saying instead of the other more important and well known sayings means It is a compulsion to have this statement for all mosques in China. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@IK-wp5eq in Arabic it literally says "love of the homeland" حب الوطن and the Chinese that was on the wall said 愛國 which literally also means "love of country". Abstract terms are often like this in Chinese and the term also means patriotism. It is definitely very self serving to push this hadith everywhere but to give the Chinese government some credit, it is a hadith that exists (though of debated authenticity) and the translation doesn't need to be manipulated to give them a good and pithy message.
One of the best content, I’ve encountered here!
Why is China so much scared of these domes? Losing culture to these domes ?
Instead of focusing on how 2 make these people more patriotic you are taking away their identity.
I would not mind a mosque being built in Pakistan using a pattern or architectural design of a Chinese Buddhist temple cuz I think we need one
Anyways China may have existed millenia ago but the boundaries kingdoms dynasties religions n cultures did change so after the freedom of 1948 China was given new boundaries in that case it inherited new area new people new cultures along languages which shall be preserved n respected cuz they don't live in a borrowed land from mainland China, they were there China just declared the boundaries over them
China need to change its approach to Muslims, there's always many many different ways to solve the issues or problems,
We in Pakistan believe China is the best country on earth being most peaceful n respectful in any regard n other Muslim countries think same as well , doing business with China along new projects trade invention n helping China make its currency dominance .
And China is scared of these not even one percent population because of their domes .
Focus on teaching them patriotism instead stealing their culture n identity
Don't repeat what happened in 1954 n1938 in Lanzhou n 1971 in Yunnan
how interesting, thanks for sharing!:)
@@SimingLan wonder what the history of the rebuilt mosque is and what the specific reason was for rebuilding. I think you’ve done a wonderful job with taking your audience through your thought process, but after finishing the video I have this feeling that I didn’t get enough background information or perspectives from this segment to properly address the issue raised in the title.
For example, I just found out on Google that domes aren’t ritual requirement in mosques as mihrab is, that the earliest mosques did not have domes, and that the use of domes in Islamic architecture was influenced by Byzantine architecture at its inception.
@@GnirpsNaireip thanks for bringing this up! I was aware of this, probably should have included it in the video :)
Why do you think China is scared of the domes? They are everywhere. I bet there are more domes in China than the whole of Pakistan.
@@MetaView7 cause they removing those domes lol. probably they know how Islam can spread and dominate themselves, scary right?
Its always a bit unsettling when people have to speak in cryptic language or hide their true feelings due to what they perceive the government might do to them in response if they were to speak plainly. It makes sense that a religion would be adapted to the local population, that happens everywhere around the world. But it is one thing for a religion to adapt itself to appeal to the shared values of the local population, it is a totally other thing for the government or some other entity to come in and decide what should happen with them. If the muslim community had come together and decided they wanted to renovate the mosque and do it in a more chinese style, fine. But for the government to enforce it on them seems harsh and cruel. It definitely does still seem like cultural erasure, and even the other mosques you visited seemed to be trying to pander to the government somewhat (was the patriotism sign there initially? Or was it placed there later as the government started looking more into religious minorities?).
Thanks again for presenting this insider view of the situation. It's always interesting to see other cultures in the world. I went to China in 2006 and found it very enjoyable and fascinating. It's great to be able to see these videos and see what's happening in the country (even if i dont agree with it necessarily).
I'm curious, how are you posting to RUclips? I thought China had blocked it (and presumably had blocked most of the international VPNs too).
There are differences in Western countries. France is more averse to public religious expression than other countries for instance. It sounds like in China the government has a role to play in deciding what is proper Chinese culture. In Australia we are suspicious if our government tries to do this - we tend to think they are setting some citizens as more worthy than others (which some of us don't like).
@user-kc7mu4jp4p Well it is not subtle. I'd rather be a goody-goody than a baddie (are you saying that is what you are?). I care because people I love and myself are effected by how people behave. To defend the good is not to defend evil or even violent means (big discussion). As I pointed out I do discriminate (hence the 'don't like). Your response isn't even coherent.
@raymond3769 very true
Note: Not all country are the same. I respect China about that
I think it would be fair to say that there are 56 ethnicities in China so it is impossible for any ethnicity to be treated more important than the other. The central requirement is every religion can freely operate as long as it is not used for political purposes to destabilise the country. Chinese people has a culture long enough to distinguish education, spiritual release and governance system are separate entities.
I'm not a Chinese citizen, but I do agree with you. :)
@@louisw4155 Bit it as it may the west has been using various non government organisations including religious groups to subvert China so China has to be on the alert all the time. The problem is all religions in China are imported. As a country China has long been able to distinguish between the good and the bad by education and does not need a religious study to teach people how to read/write or behave! China has existed long before the birth of any religion so if you are a Chinese respect your ancestors when religion wasn't in existence.
Hello Ms Lan Thank you for sharing your experience and taking us though your journey.
you are welcome!🥰
French here ! I find this video very interesting. In France I don't think we would destroy old mosques as we have deep respect for old architecture + we traditionally also have sacred places (the churches).
But I thing the chinese government and the french one are taking similar decisions : try to have everyone feel like a national and put their religion second in ordre of priorities. Here, we focus more on how people dress (hijab is a sensitive issue) >
The french with french govt included are so patriotic when it comes to tolerate pedophilia, lgbt, nudism, and every aspect of culture and philosophy as long as it's not of islam origin or muslim conveying....so stop lying
Another French here, you put into words what I was thinking after watching this video. We tend to prefer keeping religion in the private sphere and become very wary when it comes close to public institutions and stuff like that. Which is why the hijab becomes a very sensitive issue here and lead people to misunderstanding things about France. I feel it is quite similar to China in this situation.
There's is definitely a sense here that patriotism takes a more important part than religion.
You're being very political correct about the French witch-hunt against Muslims.
@@sparklemotion8377 I don't know where you live. There's no witch-hunt against Muslims in France. Islam is a new religion historically in the country and is required to reform itself as catholicism did in the 19th century in order to match democracy, the constitutional principle of freedom of religious criticism and the secular culture it meets.
@@sparklemotion8377 I dont know where you live. There's no witch-hunt against Muslims in France. Islam is a new religion historically in the country and is required to reform itself as catolicism did in the 19th century in order to match democracy, the constitutional freedom of religious criticism and the secular culture it meets.
Hi, Anyway possible i can get a pdf copy of the book HOW TO INTERPRET THE MUSLIM CULTURE THROUGH THE CHINESE FESTIVAL? at minute 4:39
so im a muslim egyptian ... far far from china yet i study at the Chinese egyptian university sooo China and chinse people of all ethinicities matters to me a lot - especially Muslim ones . Im extremely grateful to see a Han Chinese put out a video with an actual and complete thought process about the matter ! I feel that .. in the tense environment around this matter in china now (it might not be new at all but just more dissucssed lately ) the destruction of the green dome meant a lot to the Muslims . Im not even chinese but I was kinda sad that happened ! Regradless the intentions at that point ( even if they were to be good ) , seeing something so central for your identity getting demolished right in front of your eyes in a mood of general upset from all sides must be horrible . I get it . Islam is a religion - its not an architectural style . But in a way , this unique union of so-called "islamic style " (its just arabic style really ) and chinese culture , I find , to be absolutely mesmerising ... I would love to taste local halal chinese cuisine and get a feel for the internal culture of these people- how they talk and how they pray to Allah (God ) in a non-arabic tongue ! I feel that Muslim chinese culture is super unique and in a way only adds to the richness of china ... that doesn't mean that making the architecture of mosques more chinese renders the Islam of those chinese Muslims lost- but ... it would be a sad thing , no ? Thats my humble opinion and Allah (God) knows best . I would love to see more videos about this topic - keep'em coming !
(p.s. I loved the editing in the video but I don't think its okay to put a voice-over over the quran in the beginning of the video -thanks for understanding )
thank you for sharing, i appreciate your perspective! 😊 i was gutted too about the green dome. i totally understand that the architecture can grow into a part of your identity, so tearing it down has hurt many people's feelings. chinese muslim do have a different sensitivity to islam compared to the muslims i've met back in the uk for sure!
i didn't know about the voiceover issue, sorry about that :)
Naaah. Being moslem is not identical to being Arabic.
So No, it is not a sad thing for the mosque to be remodeled to fit the land it is located in.
Btw, wasn't it the moslems who destroyed the sphinx's head?
@@jazondelta4976 Yes i agree . Being a Muslim is not being arab or the other way around . Most Muslims arent arabs actually . I never said that in my comment , actually the opposite . Second , Im an Egyptian and never heard about the destruction of the sphinx "head" . Its his nose that fell off Some say its a cannonball fired by Napelon Bonaparte's army in one of the french military wars in egypt when it was occupied . Always read the history first.
The first Chinese mosque face Petra, not Mecca. Islam is a lie.
'To improve the condition of some mosques, as requested by many Muslims, Xinjiang authorities have built new mosques, and moved, renovated and expanded some run-down mosques..'
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*15 Mar 2021 - New China TV - Xinjiang renovates old, dilapidated mosques.* Xinjiang renovates old, dilapidated mosques. Has Xinjiang demolished mosques, as reported by some foreign media outlets? Let's get the facts straight: Local Muslims and construction workers say old, dilapidated mosques have been renovated and expanded to improve facilities.
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What one gathered from Chinese history, is that the Muslims helped the Chinese people during one of those ancient dynasties.
In return, they were rewarded by being allowed to live in China and own land.
I personally find the Chinese policy of the government reveals genuine care to integrate the Muslims within Chinese society, an effort that many minorities in other countries do not find within multi ethnic and multi religious communities within a state that is governed by a majority.
hi, first, kudos for this simple yet fine video explaining how China views and works with culture interaction issues. I'm from Singapore, a generation apart from you but totally appreciative of the information and explanation you put forth in this and many other wonderful videos. In my view, Singapore takes a not dissimilar stance (from China) towards many societal issues, including those towards religious harmony and societal security. Compared to the turmoil we had in the 60s and 70s, I would say that my government did a good job and similar results will likely continue to prevail in China going forward. Thanks again for your good work. BTW In Singapore, we still know Islam as 回教。
Good informative video. Though I must asked, was it really necessary to build a mosque in Chinese cultural style to the point of demolishing and reconstructing an existing mosque? Are other cultures styles not acceptable in China?
Ask yourself a question: do your country allow all the mosques in your country to be Chinese-style buildings? If the answer is yes, your question is then meaningful. If your answer is no, then you know the reason why Chinese government wants the mosques in China to continue to be Chinese style.
@@julioduan7130
Ask yourself a question. Do you think that mosque originated from China or it's from other culture.
What do you think I'm asking about? Some kind of woke western cultural appropriation or something?
It's not wrong to build a house of worship in other cultures styles, but was it *really necessary* to destroyed and rebuild an existing one that still stand firm just so it can be in one particular culture style?
Comprehend the question first.
@@micahttt Yes, it’s necessary to reconstruct the mosque in conform to traditional Chinese style mosque. As they visited the foreign influenced style mosque daily, making them think that they are different from other Chinese. Finally, they may want to separate themselves from China.
@@micahttt All the onion-dome style mosques were built in the past 30 years. They are not what mosques in China used to be. We don’t want foreign influence in our country.
@@julioduan7130
Using that logic, every hindu temple in Europe need to be rebuild in European cultural style then. Every churches in India need to be rebuild in Indian cultural style. Every houses of worship of different faiths and cultures in all other countries need to be rebuild in the style of that countries culture.
In my opinion if China want to incorporate Chinese architectural design into the local Muslim community it should be done by constructing new mosques with Chinese design instead of Middle eastern flavor. It’s wiser to leave the old historical buildings alone. It’s part of your history and identity too. In our country Malaysia we have 30% ethnic Chinese living and practicing their religion and culture. Can you imagine the feelings of the people affected or the backlash the government will face if they suddenly decide to tear down old temples or churches and make them comply with a more Malay design.
the middle Eastern looking ones are much newer than you think. most are less than 50 years old. the historic 800_1000 year old mosques in China looked very Chinese
12:40 The Holy Quran in no way justifies murder; it unequivocally states, “Whosoever killed a person … it shall be as if he had killed all mankind” (5:32). Even uneducated farmers can understand this in the Quran. Also, The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission' to one god Allah, and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. So Islam is a religion of universalism, tolerance, peace, and reconciliation not a religion of terrorism or killing people like you see in the media, that is not what a true Muslims is.
this video is scandalous, I apologize to tell it. "hina has built nearly 400 internment camps in Xinjiang region, with construction on dozens continuing over the last two years, even as Chinese authorities said their “re-education” system was winding down, an Australian thinktank has found. (...) About half of the 60 facilities which have recently been expanded are higher security, suggesting a shift in the nature of the central government campaign against minorities in Xinjiang." Source: The Guardian.
As I got comments from negationists, I remind you that the UNO expresses its deeps concerns abouts this question "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the
Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China".
She went to visit Xinjiang and met the Uyghur there too... in her latest uploaded video.
@@louisw4155 does she show one of 400 internment camps in Xinjiang?
@@MartinJacques-i2t No. And in fact, many western independent journalists went to Xinjiang, but couldn't find evidence of those claims by the western media. In fact, they have already searched but couldn't find such a claim. I have also watched some British and American RUclipsrs who went to Xinjiang, all of them debunked about the claim made by the western governments about Xinjiang. From there onwards, I began to doubt the western narrative of Xinjiang. Especially when they used to claim that the Uyghur language was banned in Xinjiang and the rest of China.
@@louisw4155 negationism is always a sad thing.
@@louisw4155 I let you read this document written not by a government, but the UNO "OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the
Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China" I hope it will convince all and all negationists
I am afraid a point is being missed. Shouldn't Muslims decide how their mosques look rather than a secular government? Mark Twain once wrote that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. i believe he meant fake patriotism. Why would a secular government require religious compounds to post slogans about patriotism on a church? Does a religion have the need to post religious slogans on government buildings? Shouldn't there be a separation between church and state? Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's? And - you did not mention the plight of the Uighur people. The CCP seems troubled by the various peoples of China. Does it really want all Chinese to be Han Chinese? Mao was Han Chinese. Deng Xiaoping was Han Chinese. Xi Jinping is Han Chinese. Have all the CCP premiers been Han Chinese men? Isn't Mandarin Chinese actually the native language of the Han people? America, Australia, New Zealand, and many other nation-states have used forced assimilation of tribal peoples to create one national language, but is this really necessary? Switzerland is a multi-language nation. It's doable. Cantonese and Han can exist together. Why not church and state? This is done in many countries. I love your short videos. Keep up the good work! The world has much to learn from China. i miss the contributions Li Xiqi used to make.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm from Indonesia, and there have been some news that basically china govt bans Islam, discriminate muslims, and even forbid muslims from fasting. I honestly think those news' are biased and unbased because such news has happened to Indonesia too. So I'd like to hear some perspectives like yours, who is local.
SE Asia countries are mainly colonial by western so even today, our 90% of our news r painted by western via English to display China or any countries not listening their "rules" with all the bad image and malicious info. Glad that SiMing can bring e truth to the world.
假新闻而已，问那些在中国生活的印尼人吧
Completely avoided talking about unlawful imprisonment and internment
Because its made up lies like Iraq WMD`s.
You are enlightened and wise beyond your years. Your vids are so impressive in both content and style. I am interested in learning more about the Uyghur issue bc I fear that the view from the US lacks insight and nuance. I have traveled to China for business on several occasions and find the people and culture fascinating. Thank you for making these vids.
Islam and socialism/communism often being pitted against each other whether in fact there were lots of example of these two can work side by side, because both are teaching about communal way of living, support workers and working-class family and just taking care of each other in general. Islam is also a flexible religion, meaning it can adapt to local values to ensure the good reception and understanding of its teaching especially in early years or period of Islam. In case of Islam in China, several studies and notes pointed out that Islam has arrived in China since early years of Islam, dated back to when some of the companions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were still alive. So, in a sense, it also came in its purest form of teaching.
I had been to the Huaisheng Mosque and 先賢古墓道in Guangzhou many years ago. I am Han Chinese born in Hong Kong.
The early islamic mosques do not have dome or crescent moon. Those are non arab architectural style which becomes popularised later. However the minaret is best to be kept, because its easier to find a mosque with minaret
Destroying cultural motifs and identity is just cruel and cannot be justified no matter what anyone says.
Its cruel because you say so??? China is stronger than All@h ... I wish good luck for china from India.
For someone who lives in the glass house, please do not play with stone.
Don’t try to judge other culture from your own culture
Native American mountains be like.
You are beyond American belief.
Islam has created havoc around the world. The Chinese are doing the right thing.
maybe it's the influence of ahong/ Hu Songshan and his organization Yihewani, as Mr Hu got Racist treatment when he got to mecca for Hajj from fellow Muslim arabs. so he leave wahabism thought. so he campaigning Islam nationalism rallied against Japanese. interestingly his story similar to khj. Ahmad Dahlan the founder of Muhammadiyah one of the largest Muslim organization in Indonesia
A vital part of a thriving society is that people from all backgrounds should feel they belong to the greater whole. At the other end of the extreme, you would have a divided society where the minority feel like they do not belong, the majority suspicious and fearful of the minority, and both succumbing to misinformation and misunderstanding.
By the way, I watched it through at 1.75 speed and missed not a single word. Impressive delivery!
it's good to hear from you again!😊
I watched at 2x
the greater whole for Muslims is Ummah, which is the community of believers world wide. Until we find a middle ground between Ummah and country, Islam will be forever an outlier. But at its core l, it's a uniting force, no matter your color, ethnicity, country of origin and even your previous deeds, Islam will embrace you like your mother's love.. That's why it's appealing, but it's true that it can cause people to detach from their "country" which is after all an artificial construction that doesn't truely exist...
@@mohamedb737 how country is artificial construction. Please explain
@@aslampervez2294 It is of Man not God, that is all.
12:25 when you explain about the intuitive logic for Chinese people versus foreigners.. This is precisely why it is so valuable and necessary to perserve 'a people', culture, nation. Presently, I'm from a european country and for the last 20 years Europe has taken in billions of refugees, but those were people who tended to integrate. Now we have expats, who are very different, for they don't integrate, earn better money than the average local person, don't pay taxes for x amount of years etc. It's causing a 'disruption', not because of the economic differences, but because people tend to overlook these sort of 'nuances' in how peoples who share a long history with each-other embody a collective consciousness. What you state about the Chinese mindset, which makes complete sense to you (and which is something I had to also uncover to understand, for the same motivations you did) but doesn't translate well to the other side, is why I think we should value our local communities, our history, our culture and identity more. In the West, we're losing all of this. Not because of immigrants, but because we're erasing it ourselves as well. Our politicians contribute to it. They want a 'global' world. But in the process we're losing ourselves and people are, indeed, lost. So many teens and children who are mentally unstable. Thank you for pointing it out because I sincerely wish people would understand this very fact of the different type of consciousness that you embody, coming from the lineage, heritage, history and culture you were born into. It's so easily overlooked and people truly don't seem to notice how valuable it is to understand it, in order understand yourself.
The Quran is suitable for every era. If you cannot understand it and adapt your life to it that is a you problem not a Quran problem. I like how you gave your opinion in a clear manner. Thanks for showing the true colour of what is this all about conformity, which is never good for humans as we are not machines.
Israël is mentioned 32 times in the Quran. No mention of any Palestinian ( philistin from the Crete. A white!) Islam is a lie.
like marrying 6 year old, slavery, marrying son's wife, killing every one doesn't believe in Allah, sperms come from ribs, and jihad. sorry I'm happy to be atheist
_as long as the religious books teaches hatred and violence, it will not stop. it's like a time bomb awaiting someone to activate it._
Here is the thing.
In my understanding culture and religion is not the same things.
Not on Islam at least
According to Islam, there is no superiority over culture…
All culture is welcome as long as it does not contradict my religious beliefs.
I like how this man explained that “if I didn’t wear a head cap doesn’t make me less Muslim than who wears one.”
In the holy Quran and authentic Hadith, you will never find anything where it’s identified any specific fashion and culture to follow. It’s saying you need to cover your body but didn’t say which colours or any fashion to follow. It says the mosque needs to be a clean and comfortable place to pray and doesn’t mention any dome or any colours.
Islam gives us complete for freedom to follow it according to our culture.
Just protect yourself from haram.
Also, the writing in the mosque caught my eye… 3:11
the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself taught that the "love for one's nation is a part of faith"
My life in China makes me understand Islam more than any other Islamic nation.
Where I found cultural diversity in Islam.
And local Chinese are quite respectful towards Muslims... I saw halal restaurants make a double business as any other restaurant. Most Chinese people prefer Halal restaurants.
I think “ Langzou la main “ is the largest restaurant Brand in China.
I am currently living in Dubai.
Unfortunately, I have to say, I found more Islam in China than in Dubai.
Dubai is a Muslim-majority region but here Islam getting fade away day by day.
the new generation is much influenced by western culture and going far away from Islam.
May Allah help us and our loved ones to protect ourselves from this fitnah
I am really inspired by the great service you are doing for mankind, You are very good hearted and you are a talented teacher especially for me as an American to help me observe some of my prejudices, and let them go and think more in terms of being in human brotherhood with Chinese people. Thank you.