Exactly, and Ukraine is a classic ground war of a scope, intensity and scale the likes of which no NATO country has fought against a modern peer adversary since WW2 - that is , since before the alliance was even launched.
Way more complex. Depends on command herarchy. Those umder the secret sevice guy, most mercenaries arent pow. But there are exceptions, if you are in their airforce you will be an ukrainian soldier most likely.
There are Iraq and Afghanistan veterans going over there and coming back frustrated having been on the receiving end of air, artillery, and armor they were used to having on their side
There's Chanel on RUclips is called tribuntimur ,I think is Indonesian ,showing battle videos,,,few mouths ago I watched a video were a guy from NEW JERSEY got blown away by Russian mortar
@@modenasolone difficult for RUclips pilots to go up against peer competitors! They are used to bombing poor countries with primitive or no air forces!
But they kicked you 3:20 r asses too! Lol, what was your point? Name one war the u.s has won, single handed( too scared to do that) or with its allies?? Just one?? Paper tigers cannot fight. You were humiliated all over the world. The Taliban give u.s soldiers nightmares to this day😅
It’s a kamikaze job…ejection seat has been removed from the F16s. In case you get shot down (which will happen ) so that Vlad won’t interrogate you and gain invaluable entails.😅
Listening to Lindsey Graham, then to you guys, just confirms for the 100th time something I learned long ago: "War is sweet to those who have no experience of it. But the experienced man trembles exceedingly in his heart at its approach." Pindar
Fight for freedom = Fight for the freedom of WEF to make us all debt slaves and recreate feudalism. Ukrainiens no longer own their country, Blackrock does.
Mover brags with "combat" tour. It is like somebody bragging that we fought 10 gang members, but forgot to mention that he had 100 buddies with him, with a healthy number of the buddies between him and the opponents at any time. I do understand why he does not want to go to Ukraine because a) he has no ties b) the risk is to high (= he has fear, which is nothing bad). And I would not expect him or anybody else to join the war. It is a very personal decision (for those who have the luxury to have a choice). But he should not be surprised that some people call him out when he brags with a low risk "war" "combat" tour (Gulf 2009) under best possible conditions, but decides to not join if the fight is more dangerous than baby seal clubbing. He certainly revealed that he is not a movie like hero. Which is perfectly ok.
Just like that Steve Jobs quote, crazy man expect that world is changing for them and sane man changing to suit the world.. That is why crazy man changed the world
@@chrissmith7669Yeah family and what's right and just the Ukraine is nether right or just attacking civilians is cowardly as it gets while Russia is attacking military targets!
it is easy to fly over a country that does not have the necessary weapons to shoot down your plane and with the help of support units you have an incredible advantage and you are not practically in danger of being shot down, but in Ukraine you are fighting against someone who has the same possibilities as you, the risk is simply 50:50 on both sides to be shot down or shot down
I am Russian and I live abroad. There is a Ukrainian family on my floor, and guess what? We're best friends and we drink together, being glad that no government is forcing us to fight eachother. We want peace and no casualties on either side. To an outsider, it's obvious what is being done. Any sane person wants no part of this war. Neither I, nor my Ukrainian friends see eachother as enemies. We were friends before the war started. Why would we suddenly not be friends anymore? Why would anything change between us, when we had nothing to do with the conflict? We made our contribution, by not being there.
A retired F-16 pilot is definitely betraying the US if they go to China and help train Chinese pilots . Aside from that I wonder if there was anything contractual that covers their obligations to USA. There'll likely be different wordings for the various nations . Strictly speaking , Australians can't go fighting for foreign nations but there are former Australian military in the Ukraine foreign Legion , they won't be prosecuted. Several have passed away.
Flying in Afghanistan is not air combat, there are no opposing aircraft or air defence, you drop bombs, missiles and recce with no fear of being engaged, let alone shot down. Combat in Ukraine means dodging S300, 400, BUK-M3, Tor and manpads, a whole layered system reaching out to strike to over 200kms, as well as air to air missiles with far greater range than any missile fitted to F16s, older or not. The US pilots will learn to respect air defence systems, the first time they meet a functioning one since Vietnam. Where will those pilots sleep before getting into their jets, as that is an easy target for Russian missiles also. I'd worry more about Russian ISR and intelligence contacts throughout Ukraine informing the Russian General Staff where all these foreign pilots and F16s are, than worry about whether or not people think you're a traitor for not going. Ukraine already had one of the largest airforces in Europe, where did that go?
People who knew nothing about this conflict before Feb 24th 2022 and who would never risk anything or get involved seem to have the strongest opinions and are the biggest war mongers.
These people still don’t know anything. They know nothing about the negotiations that took place right before the invasion of Kursk. Ukraine deliberately disrupted these negotiations. I see the same thing in Iran, I see how Israel deliberately provokes Iran. What unites both these countries? In both places, Jewish Zionists are in power.
US pilot are willing to fly over Iraq, Afghanistan that are weak and have no air-defense system..... if you fly over Ukraine, you are up against advanced weapons that US pilot will not survive
Just like optony said. You can include Vietnam in that, too. American aircraft losses speak volumes on that alone. Oh yea, "US pilots won't survive" Russians wouldn't either, they're lobbing makeshift glide bombs and staying out of the threat area. Just another bot account tbh.
@@mcal27 honestly I'm down let's do it. At the same time I feel bad. Alot of people don't see how many people ( ukranian soldiers) that have died , and wat is nato gonna say T the end but hey... I like a good show
🤣 remember the video from like, 2015. Graham and McStain Ukraine hanging out with those Azov guys? Nazi symbols everywhere, and Gram and McCain bragging about how they're gonna arm up and go kill Russians. That leaked video didn't age well! I think there are still edited versions of RUclips, with the Nazi stuff blurred and deleted.
A nice 4K colour brochure, a pretty Ukrainian female recruiting Officer on the front page F-16 in the background slogan is simple "Come to the Ukraine and fly F-16s" and in the ultra superfine print it says "and if you're lucky we won't shoot you down with a Patriot Missile"
If they still have some.. the western propaganda is ignoring the losses in SAMs, Himars and Patrios the kiev regime have taken recently. The west can't even replace losses xD they can barely supply ammo
Himars, challenger, Abrams, patriot, leopard, f16, Wow United states must be making lots of money from this war by sending these game changers into battlefield. They have really changed the map of Ukraine- Game changer indeed.
Oh, I am sure you have more then a few ex pilots and crew men helping with the training and maybe one or two who might have terminal diseases will actually volunteer
fighty against who????? you living in de land of the freedom. The Ukrainians fight to their death for their freedom of their country, for their families.
Oh BS, Ukraine was at war with Russia since 2014. Even earlier than that as there are numerous incidents of Russia shooting at Ukrainian ships or ramming them, blocking Ukrainian commercial ships from passing through the Kersh straits from the Azov Sea to the Black sea
@@pogo1140the Russians wouldn't have respected a peace deal and probably will never respect one but I doubt as many ukrainians would be dead right now
@@BIOHAZARDXXXX If you do even a little bit of research you can find the details and they were much more favorable to Ukraine than what they will get in a couple of months when their military has totally collapsed.
No. Zelensky and all of Ukraine were outraged after the butchery in Bucha and Mariupol were brought to the worlds attention. After that Ukraine wasn’t going to play the west‘s appeasement game any longer
Nobody has the right to tell anyone to go fight for another country. With that said, people do that and often get respect for it. Before the US was at war, American pilots went to France to fight Germany in WW1, to England in WW2, and to China to fight against the Japanese in WW2. So yes, there are others who risk it all and hopefully we can respect their choices. Of course, even in our Revolutionary War there were people who came from Europe to help us. Would I do it if I was an F-16 pilot now, no I don't think so.
In my country (South Africa) being a mercenary is a criminal act, no matter what side you are going to offer your services to for blood money. Why ? Because the world is messed up enough, with far too many wars and conflicts and regime change attempts, without having mercenaries adding more death, destruction, human rights violations and human misery to the picture. Your representative Lindsay Graham is a warmonger who cares nothing for human life nor limb, and would never ever put himself in the same life-threatening situations he’s trying to convince others to put themselves into. Stay out of this (and all other conflicts in the world which do not involve you). I have no dog in this fight - and neither do you.
Well, mover, obviously, utube didn't like what I replied to you about what you said. I'll just say this. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan attacked the US. OSB and Al Queada attacked the US. Iraq was all about regime change and that's was the mission change in Afghanistan. It didn't work did it! No WMD in Iraq was there.
Ukraine is the most dangerous airspace in the world at he moment, good luck to anyone who decides to do it you are going to need it. I know Lindsey Graham wouldn't have signed up if he was a pilot.
@@Philip-hv2kc "They are running out of missiles, Putin has cancer, they are using washing machine chips, they are using shovels, the 'Ghost of Kiev' is undefeated, [insert wonder weapon here] will change the course of the war, the SU57 is a 4.5 gen fighter", etc. 🙄
Those of you keep bringing up Flying Tigers are flat out wrong about them. They did it *for the money* and virtually all the pilots and ground crew were in it for the thrill and adventure, not for some idealism about "Freedom" (or any real love for Chinese people). Also, Chennault and his pilots knew they were going up against inferior Japanese competition; the vast majority of Flying Tigers kills were vs. the already obsolete Ki-27. Had they been facing Mitsubishi A6Ms of the IJN, the P-40s would have been swept from the sky with ease. They were glory hounds that knew the odds were in their favor; stop rewriting history that they were some principled men walking the "high road" to try to shame Mover and Gonky and others like them...."
I doubt that they knew their odds upfront. And about 25 % of their pilots died, so they quickly learned that there mission was dangerous. It was not a turkey shoot like USAF operations in 2009. If they were in for the thrill and adventure (and money), you could call them fools, but they certainly had more courage than some pilots bragging with "combat" tours over Iraq 2009 (2 AF members are listed as casualty for the whole year, not sure if those were pilots). btw, nothing wrong with not joining the Ukrainian war, even if the only excuse would have been that the risks are to high and the odds are far worse than if flying with the full US support and CSAR etc.: you can call these pilots wise men (like you could call the Flying Tiger pilots fools), but the FTs definitively had more courage. And all these replies "sign up if you think Ukraine needs help" are pretty much nonsense: people may have the same main reasons as Mover and Gonky: no ties to Ukraine, own family. Interestingly enough, this did not prevent Mover to go to Iraq though.
Russian air defenses are the best in the world, it has to be, the sheer size of Russia alone makes air defense essential. The F-16 is 50 years old! No way I would climb into one and fly in Ukraine. From what I understand the F-16's there are old 80's Dutch planes with thousands of hours on thier airframes.....unless one has a death wish, I would not advise flying for that cesspool of corruption and ignorance!
On 28 September 2023, a Russian S-300 surface-to-air missile shot down a friendly Su-35 near the Tokmak region. The preliminary report suggests the S-300 missile's fire control radar could not identify friend or foe, leading to a friendly fire incident that downed the Su-35.[113][114][115] On 2 August 2024, Ukraine struck four Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile systems in Crimea. According to CNN news, four S-400 systems were severely damaged by the Ukrainian attacks.[149][150]
100%. We should be enlisting volunteers and retired military to secure our borders. That would be something I suspect many vets would respond to positively.
I too remember American tanks crossing the border on February 24th 2022. Or the American "little green men" infiltrating Ukraine in 2014, as the real start of the war. Sir are you stupid?
@@a320sideslipproblems4 Absolutely. They are profiting by the billion off of this. The weapons/planes/etc. is not free. Nearly every American Presidency is marked by some type of war that ends with an ungodly amount of profit.
The wall stream media says, as mercenaries for former fighter Jet of F16 Pilots are highly demanded, because of The Russian are retreating forwards, The Ukrainian are also advancing backwards.
"The right of the people to not give a shit about politics, let alone politics between countries abroad, shall not be infringed." The missing amendment.
I do kinda give a shit about billions of our tax money being flushed down the toilet so that Lindsey Graham and other politicians like him can get rich from perpetual wars in other countries. But yeah, I understand the sentiment
@@Bob10009 Indeed it is FUNNY. Funny how you all thought F16 is some "wonder weapon" that can do miracles. Still gonna burn like Leopards, Abrams, Challengers, etc...
From an aircraft maintenance standpoint I would be concerned about the level of knowledge and competency on the ground in Ukraine. Parts supply would be an issue also.
Parts are not an issue. Maintenance crews are the issue. They need experienced people to train and lead their crews. NATO and the US are still operating like it's peacetime while the Ukrainians are on a wartime tempo, 1 year training? you have 3 months.
@@r.m2072 You fly when you have a plane available. Ukraine is flying old Russian built planes with no source of spare parts. The bulk of their spare parts come from scavenged from no-flying planes that were bombed by the Russians and cannibalizing combat coded planes that have been damaged. Currently 45-70 from the 140-200 planes that survived the initial attacks in 2022.
@@adrianshephard224 cries out, the selfish man who only ever served his own interests 🤔 EDIT: to serve doesn’t equal slave. You should look those words up in a dictionary and learn their meaning so you don’t look so foolish 🤷♂️
Imagine Mover on some Telegram video, in a Russian detention center being questioned by a group of Russians, after getting shot down by his own side. Wondering if the US will trade some prisoner for him.
No, the US will not trade him because the US will disown him. As they always say "We're not involved in this war. That American F-16 pilot went there on his own as a mercenary".
@@ronalddizon4017 Screw that Kremlin narrative. Any volunteer going to Ukraine will be joining the national armed forces and thus per definition is NOT a mercenary... something the USA government has made perfectly clear already.
They are not mercs. They are foreign nationals in the Ukrainian military. We have some foreigners in the US military. They have all the rights under the laws of war just like all other military members. Russia will torture all prisoners anyways regardless of their nationality because they are embracing unlimited war crimes. But you can help in other ways if you don’t want to take that risk.
@@phishENchimpsit’s widely reported by everyone but the Krem-lin media. There’s been enough cases opened it’s obviously both wide spread and supported by the leadership
Good on you for speaking common sense, doing so publicly, and while still serving. So much propaganda out there. One of my UPT classmates was from Ukraine and I used to drive him to DLI each weekend for him to hangout with his buddies. Great dude and great pilot. I'll never forget being on his wing in the T-37 for his formation solo and that smart salute before the break. I feel for the Ukrainians but mostly because our government has used them during this fiasco it created.
@@pogo1140 I'd take it your a European so ypu definitely don't know how to or else ypu would have fought your wars without begging Americans to help ypu if it wasn't for us Americans ypu would be replying to me in German
@KamBam-ni3pt You funny guy. 80% of total german kia and wounded werre on the Eastern front. IOW Russians destroyed 80% of Germany's military while Britain Canada and the USA did the 20%. 🤣🐄💩
Ok, so lets imagine we got 70 western pilots to fly 35 F-16s. Cool. Where will the F-16s be based? Inside Ukrainian territory? Those are under constant recon by Russia, and Russia has shown itself capable of attacking every single part of Ukrainian territory all the way out to Polish border. So safe basing doesn't exist on Ukrainian mainland. Second: Russia has the whole Ukrainian airspace monitored. And it can use both long range interception by aircraft AND by SAMs. Range far longer than missiles available to Ukrainian F-16s can achieve. Also Russia can easily target those AEWaC aircraft that Sweden offered, so situational awareness will also be higher on Russian side. Su-35S and MiG-31BM have higher kinematic capabilities (higher cruising speed) which makes them more difficult to intercept than vice-versa. Basically F-16s are outnumbered, outflanked and outgunned. Ukraine itself is basically dead. There is nothing in it for anyone to fly there. What are those F-16s going to do? Try to achieve air superiority? Impossible under these conditions. Fly on rare occasion to fire a stand-off weapon? Yea, ok, maybe. But that's about it. And even that is dangerous.
You would die even flying a perfect F-16. Russian air defense is just too good...and yeah. Im a Viet Nam vet in Kharkiv Ukraine right now as a tourist...dozen plus rockets fell on the city today...some near my apt. managers home. Wars SUCK😢
@@smyers820gm Oh? How is he WRONG and you are RIGHT? SAM sights from Vietnam are now cutting edge S300, S400, S450, S500, hell an old S125 NEVA managed to detect and shoot down F117, and damage another. But hey, Russian defense is BAD! Ukraine can win a war in outdated 50 year old plane that probably is on the END of it's service life! But he is nobody YOU are the EXPERT. BTW, S200 detected F35 and damaged it over Syria. "Bird strike" my A$$!
@smyers820gm I'm not wrong. Russia's current air defense systems are demonstrably better than 50 years ago. Our Patriot systems are NOT doing well in Ukraine either. Russia's EW systems are dealing with Patriots better than the brainwashed US media reports as well. Military. Spokespeople on media in the US like General Jack Keane on FOX are just a disgrace in BS'n The American public about the abilities of the American military.... And lying about the weaknesses of the Russian armed forces. Very sad.
@@smyers820gmfiring 8 atacms at a S400 battary isn't dealing with it, there is a reason you don't hear much about atacms as late, don't be foolish, it's not a game, the Russians are very capable
@@themanwiththegoldengun1998 actually it is. ATACMS is cheaper than s400. And it’s a less complicated system. S400 is a battery that has multiple units that must work together for the system to function. Remove one of those elements and the s400 is removed from the battlefield leaving a huge swath of sky open for aircraft to be utilized. I never said it was a game but my comment still stands. We have multiple options to remove s400 from the battlefield. Your feelings aren’t going to change this. It is irrefutable fact that 🤷♂️. Also, just because you don’t “hear” about atacms doesn’t mean anything 🤦♂️. News reports aren’t like McDonald’s where you have it “your way”. That is the most ridiculous statement ever 🙄. Have you heard a single story confirming the s400 shot down anything 🤷♂️. The answer is no. But yet you’re here defending it 🤷♂️
🤣 Yea, he got rich from money laundered through Ukraine. Remember the big scandal with Zelensky re-unvesting US foreign aid with Bankman Fried crypto exchange, who then donated it to a bunch of Democrats and a few Republicans? ( Graham, McConnell, among others).
@@ifly64s Fine but he’s been a big talker and do nothing Senator for at least a decade…. IMO: he’s lost any honor and credibility he might have earned, as an Air Force officer….
There’s not unaccounted for money given to Ukraine. It’s the age old problem our military can’t properly audit itself let alone someone they are supporting. Big difference
Bruh the Russian bots are here in force. But yeah, your position is respectable. It's not your war and you have no obligation to fight it, but if others want to, it's also their choice. Russia considers the most of the EU and NATO their enemies, so there is a justification there...
@@Bronco-1776 Go back a few months, AI pilot was making head on gun attacks, US pilots don't, the DCS pilot did because we are conditioned to make them. DCS and other sim pilots don't have minimum altitudes, min separation, safety bubbles that real pilots train with and are conditioned to maintain to the point that it's instinct. Because real pilots in the real world die, DCS pilots just hit the reset button.
I think is perfectly fine if other pilots wants to go to Ukraine. That’s their choice. They take the consequences of their choices. That said, it’s fine for other pilots to have nothing to do with Ukraine. Aside from watching from the outside, those pilots have their own priorities. Ukraine isn’t the center of the world. It should be treated as such.
Since when was it "fine" to sign up to fight on the side of the bad guys? NATO started this war in 2014, sabotaged the Minsk Agreement, sabotaged the Istanbul agreement and the AFU had been shelling the ethnic Russians indiscriminately in the Donbass for the 8 years before Russia got involved. So, it could be that it is fine to go sign up to fight on the side of the Russians.
@@Peter-y5y9i But people who see it that way have no idea about the real world and are ignorant, stupid and dangerous and should not be encouraged in any way.
I don't know Mover. Would you have said the same thing to the American pilots that flew for England during the battle of Britain before the US entered WWII? Or the pilots of the Flying Targets that fought for China against Japan? Certainly it's a personal choice, and the risks you list are genuine. But, for a pilot who feels strongly enough that Russia needs to be stopped, just like those WWII pilots thought the Nazis needed to be stopped regardless of what the US government was doing, I would hope the US would not prevent them from going.
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comparing Russia and nazis or even WW2 japan is nuts
Not really, Putin has Nazi's fighting for him in Ukraine, in his youth groups, in his News organizations, providing security for his party's political events
Alternatively, would you train young Ukrainian pilots, and after a day of playing shirtless volleyball on the beach, you decide that you should go with them to increase their chance of winning?
The word on the street is that most of the Ukrainian pilots who are getting trained are spending more time doing whatever they can to get a Section 8 out of the program since they want no part of the Russian air force or air defenses in aircraft they are barely familiar with.
@@tabasco-jf7eb Only the Russkies regularly claim they have shot down their aircraft because incompetence somehow sounds better than admitting that western weapons are superior.
Absolutely correct. You serve under the command of the United States Air Force wearing a US armed forces uniform. Your loyalty is the the US. Not Ukraine or any other country.
Also, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight. The 40 year old F-16 was a great fighter for its time but it is no match for today's Russian Integrated Air Defense.
The Russian integrated Air Defense that has been the cause of 1/2 of Russia's fixed wing aviation losses including an AWACS plane? Below 300ft, Russian GBAD is non-existent 10 miles from the line of contact. You can even operate above 10,000ft depending on the distance to the line of contact. Russian fighters don't come within 30 mile of the line of contact because somewhere down there are road tripping Ukrainian SAMs
@@andyhughes1776 Have you been following the war? It turns out that big and scary famous russian air defense has been a paper tiger this whole time. Along with their pathetic military that really thought it could capture Kiev in a week 😆
@@BIOHAZARDXXXX It was General Milley who said Russia wanted Kiev in 3 days. The Russians said they would liberate Donbas, and they are. Silly Milly hasn't a clue what goes on in Russia, given he doesn't live there or speak Russian, and is certainly not getting copies of Russian plans.
I understand them not wanting to participate in the war but it seems you’re implying that no one should simply because Russia and Ukraine have bad relations dating back centuries. You do realize russia has always been the aggressor all of those years? Why should we all be content to simply see Russia try once again to delete Ukraine?
Your war was with the Taliban yet Ukraine came and helped in you hour of need. Guess you really don't have any loyalty to those who fight and die on the battlefield for your cause. 🙄
We said that in both world wars and were drawn in anyways. That is why we changed from an isolationist policy to an interventionist policy to put a lid on conflicts before they expand globally. We got involved in multiple costly conflicts after that but avoided WW3.
If you let this fester, you might just have WWIII. And what message does it send to the Iranians, North Koreans, and Taiwan. I'm pretty sure you won't like a world order where they are running things. Isolationism is a product of good times and creates weak men. Weak men create hard times.
I say you leave it up to the pilot, I can say this, if your of ukrainian decent within 2 generations and are an ex pilot, that is a green light for them to go support their homeland their current family may still live in.
For almost decades a Ukrainian majority of 66% didn't want their country to join NATO but it was already decided by a small group of people in the 90s in the US, other NATO-members had no say in that decision. When such a big percentage don't want it over and over again, you should stop the reckless strive.
Game changers : Abrams, leopard, challenger, himars, ATACMS, Patriots, storm shadow, F16 😂 went horribly wrong. Point is damage happens 2 both sides so would be fair to stop underestimating Russia's capabilities .
I agree with all your reasons and would like to add that the threat level inside Ukraine would be much higher than what you probably faced in the past.
Flying F16s in Ukraine can be dangerous. Ukraine just used a US Patriot missile to shoot one of theirs down. Zelenski fired the officer in charge but where there is one there may be more bad officers.
The big difference is that any F-16 pilot would be facing Russia integrated air defense systems, including long range SAMs, Russian Air Force, flying old planes with questionable maintenance and support. Not some goat herders in Afghanistan.
The war in ukraine is not like in irak or afghanistan russia is another level they fight with high level weapons 😅 imagine you in F16 and russia with their hypersonic missile no chance
@@smyers820gmhow old are you, it's need even a laughing matter, Russia isn't the second best military in Ukraine, if they was pilots will be lining up to fly those F16s but they are not, please engage brain before talking because you don't have a clue what you are saying
Я полагаю, что на стороне Украины давно воюет много пилотов наёмников, даже большинство украинских пилотов - наёмники, так как до 2022 года у Украины было очень мало самолётов в боеготовом состоянии и их пилоты имели очень маленький налёт часов, ВВС Украины были очень малочисленными. После 2022 года с помощью США было восстановлено с баз хранения Украины и из других стран сотни самолётов и вертолётов и большинство из них были сбиты и пилоты погибли - у Украины не было так много пилотов, даже совсем молодых и плохих пилотов и старых пилотов в отставке.
This is not about Ukraine. This is about democracy, freedom, and peace in a Western sense. Remember the story we were told: They fight for us. Who is "us"? It's not funny, but I had to laugh listening. Sometimes, it sounds like you only fight when you are the far superior force. This is, by the way, always a good decision; otherwise, you should run away. 😉
@@themoverandgonkyshow I am not fighting in any war, and hopefully this will not change. I hope, the sarcasm in my comment wos realized. I can't belive that any none Ukrainian is stupid enough to take that offer, because it is a definite death sentence. This war should not hav started at all, and at least needs to end as soon as posible.
@@dfloper Again, sarcusum may be a way to say something, what you are not allowed to say. War is always shit, but I understand the Russian position. The west for more then 20 years now fights undecleard wars and destroy countries and Russia is a target since Putin staibilized it. I am German and in many ways we are brothers (Katharina wos German). I feel sad about the actions of my government and the unwillingness for any diplomatic talks. We have no business in Ukrain but we are not a independent country able to make our own decisions.
As a former A7 driver (now retired) I would never fly for any country other than my own. That would make me a mercenary, a concept I cannot grasp. I would do it under my country's banner if NATO was involved in defending Europe. Different story.
Oh, so combat flying in Ukraine and Russia is a lot more dangerous than 1000% permissible afghan/ Iraq. Can’t rack up the body count and strike medals so easily there, huh.
A newly NATO trained Ukrainian pilot (he was a long term Ukrainian pilot ) in an F-16 just died. There is a dispute on how he was killed. Was it a "friendly fire" shootdown? Or was he shot down by a Russian missile? Or did he make an error and crash the plane? But the bottom line is he is dead and the F-16 destroyed. This SMO/war isn't fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is against a top line peer enemy. And the chance of dying is at the best 50-50. I think anybody signing on to that needs to sign a will quickly.
I'm all for fighting to defend the United States of America and only the United States of America because my family lives here. I used to love what America stood for but I don't love foreign forever wars, or domestic marxist and immoral causes. I'm all for defending my family though.
It's called isolationism. Really popular back in the 1930's, back when the US had NAZI organizations marching in Washington DC and were actively telling Americans that the war was not "America's" war.
I do respect what you’re saying but don’t compare facing Russian to Afghanistan or Iraq. I am Afghan and I know Afghanistan never had capabilities to fight F-16. In Ukraine you are facing advance capabilities which Russian forces. In my view what I saw so far Russian Destroyed Ibrahim Tanks, German made leopard tanks, American made Bradley and American patriot units these weapons were never seen such real challenges so I don’t think American F-16 can stand against Russian S-400. The only way to make difference is to fight with F-22 or F-35. Otherwise now America is facing stronger challengers than Afghanistan and Iraq.
Russians don't wear sandals
No, they just sell the copper in their tanks for alcohol
That’s best reply I’ve seen in a very long time!!! Well done 👍
Exactly, and Ukraine is a classic ground war of a scope, intensity and scale the likes of which no NATO country has fought against a modern peer adversary since WW2 - that is , since before the alliance was even launched.
@@MegaEdward39IVAN DONT SURF 🏄♂️
Exactly....Macho man fighting Iraqi.....Cowards fight
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Send Lindsey Graham, after he loses enough weight on his neck, to fit in the helmet.
🤣😂its so easy for them politicians to ask others to risk their lives. Go fight so I can get my fat arse richer while u lose your life.
"He's the best man we've ever spent!" 🔥😄
FLG bone dry at that !
He doesn't really leave his closet much.....
Most worthless guy to ever wear a uniform. O-6 JAG reservist who doesn't have a single American principle in his entire body.
A captured mercenary is not a POW. They can be tried as a criminal.
Does it count if they actually sign up to the Ukraine AF?
@@johnnunn8688 ..are them UA citizens…?
No, so…they are mercenaries..not subject of POW treaty, period.
And if you are captured ..this America government will not help you . Protect yourself don't fall for this b.s
@@johnnunn8688 Still a foreign mercenary. If caught, will be trialed as a criminal and death penalty is a possibility...
Way more complex. Depends on command herarchy. Those umder the secret sevice guy, most mercenaries arent pow. But there are exceptions, if you are in their airforce you will be an ukrainian soldier most likely.
There are Iraq and Afghanistan veterans going over there and coming back frustrated having been on the receiving end of air, artillery, and armor they were used to having on their side
not frustrated, crying
The fact they come back is a tragedy
@@joek600got a video link? Or you just talking out of your ass 🤷♂️🙄
@@Useaname many don't
There's Chanel on RUclips is called tribuntimur ,I think is Indonesian ,showing battle videos,,,few mouths ago I watched a video were a guy from NEW JERSEY got blown away by Russian mortar
This isn't fighting some militants in some sandirtistan country, this is fighting a country that has equal reach.
And doing it in their backyard...
No these f16s don't have the latest radar and their standoff missiles lack reach to the ones currently being supplied to ukraine.
@@modenasolone difficult for RUclips pilots to go up against peer competitors! They are used to bombing poor countries with primitive or no air forces!
But they kicked you 3:20 r asses too! Lol, what was your point? Name one war the u.s has won, single handed( too scared to do that) or with its allies?? Just one?? Paper tigers cannot fight. You were humiliated all over the world. The Taliban give u.s soldiers nightmares to this day😅
It’s a kamikaze job…ejection seat has been removed from the F16s. In case you get shot down (which will happen ) so that Vlad won’t interrogate you and gain invaluable entails.😅
Listening to Lindsey Graham, then to you guys, just confirms for the 100th time something I learned long ago:
"War is sweet to those who have no experience of it. But the experienced man trembles exceedingly in his heart at its approach."
Pindar
Lindsey Graham should just shut his mouth.
Yea the warmongering is horrible
I bet he has some $$ hidden in Ukraine as well
Fight for freedom = Fight for the freedom of WEF to make us all debt slaves and recreate feudalism. Ukrainiens no longer own their country, Blackrock does.
And resign from the Senate.
His a$$ should have been in jail years ago
"Everyone is Top Gun Maverick until it's time to do some Top Gun Maverick shit"- Tom Cruise
@quang922 very true in the case of these clowns.
Lol
Quang: You just described Mover.
Mover brags with "combat" tour. It is like somebody bragging that we fought 10 gang members, but forgot to mention that he had 100 buddies with him, with a healthy number of the buddies between him and the opponents at any time.
I do understand why he does not want to go to Ukraine because a) he has no ties b) the risk is to high (= he has fear, which is nothing bad). And I would not expect him or anybody else to join the war. It is a very personal decision (for those who have the luxury to have a choice). But he should not be surprised that some people call him out when he brags with a low risk "war" "combat" tour (Gulf 2009) under best possible conditions, but decides to not join if the fight is more dangerous than baby seal clubbing. He certainly revealed that he is not a movie like hero. Which is perfectly ok.
👍
"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one."
One side can unilaterally force a war. Placating doesn't work.
The mature man knows what’s worth fighting for while the immature man runs from everything that might test his resolve.
An idiot fights the Wests proxy wars
Just like that Steve Jobs quote, crazy man expect that world is changing for them and sane man changing to suit the world.. That is why crazy man changed the world
@@chrissmith7669Yeah family and what's right and just the Ukraine is nether right or just attacking civilians is cowardly as it gets while Russia is attacking military targets!
Lindsay Graham should be condemned . He should not be in politics.
he’s a war criminal
@@demoncat908765 LG has never seen a war he didn't like.
As a lifelong conservative ..I can't stand that p.o.s!
it is easy to fly over a country that does not have the necessary weapons to shoot down your plane and with the help of support units you have an incredible advantage and you are not practically in danger of being shot down, but in Ukraine you are fighting against someone who has the same possibilities as you, the risk is simply 50:50 on both sides to be shot down or shot down
Or worse, no proper maintenance, no infrasruvture, and the enemy has 100x jets
@@MolnarG007 And better planes and missiles
@@mmedved5567 Serbia…..and F-16 and F-117 were shot down.
@@courtneyturner5083Remember the Serbian SAMs were 30 years old and obsolete as well.
@@slowhornet4802: An enemy usually doesn't let the survivors climbing out of a tank survive!
I am Russian and I live abroad. There is a Ukrainian family on my floor, and guess what? We're best friends and we drink together, being glad that no government is forcing us to fight eachother. We want peace and no casualties on either side. To an outsider, it's obvious what is being done. Any sane person wants no part of this war. Neither I, nor my Ukrainian friends see eachother as enemies. We were friends before the war started. Why would we suddenly not be friends anymore? Why would anything change between us, when we had nothing to do with the conflict? We made our contribution, by not being there.
Some people in the US made it happen though.
I always thought that Ukraine and Russia were too peas in pod.
Sure, Ivan.
@@GhostofSash1m1 I'm sure you believe ruskies bombed the pipeline...
A retired F-16 pilot is definitely betraying the US if they go to China and help train Chinese pilots . Aside from that I wonder if there was anything contractual that covers their obligations to USA. There'll likely be different wordings for the various nations . Strictly speaking , Australians can't go fighting for foreign nations but there are former Australian military in the Ukraine foreign Legion , they won't be prosecuted. Several have passed away.
Taliban learned to fly quickly after all the toys UncleSam left behind 😂😂😂 They had a parade last week ...
Flying in Afghanistan is not air combat, there are no opposing aircraft or air defence, you drop bombs, missiles and recce with no fear of being engaged, let alone shot down.
Combat in Ukraine means dodging S300, 400, BUK-M3, Tor and manpads, a whole layered system reaching out to strike to over 200kms, as well as air to air missiles with far greater range than any missile fitted to F16s, older or not.
The US pilots will learn to respect air defence systems, the first time they meet a functioning one since Vietnam. Where will those pilots sleep before getting into their jets, as that is an easy target for Russian missiles also.
I'd worry more about Russian ISR and intelligence contacts throughout Ukraine informing the Russian General Staff where all these foreign pilots and F16s are, than worry about whether or not people think you're a traitor for not going.
Ukraine already had one of the largest airforces in Europe, where did that go?
FAAAAAAAACTS 💯💯💯
You right about everything fella
these are Facts!!!
Clearly, all F-16s will be staying tens of kilometers behind the frontlines, precisely in order to avoid S300, 400, BUK-M3, Tor and manpads.
and then you lie in your bunk at night and an Iskander lands on your head
People who knew nothing about this conflict before Feb 24th 2022 and who would never risk anything or get involved seem to have the strongest opinions and are the biggest war mongers.
exactly!!
These people still don’t know anything. They know nothing about the negotiations that took place right before the invasion of Kursk. Ukraine deliberately disrupted these negotiations. I see the same thing in Iran, I see how Israel deliberately provokes Iran. What unites both these countries? In both places, Jewish Zionists are in power.
Exactly!
Yes sir
Exactly Russia was provoked. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe. Enuff said.
So Ukraine is looking for kamikaze pilots.
😂😂😂😂
lol
US pilot are willing to fly over Iraq, Afghanistan that are weak and have no air-defense system..... if you fly over Ukraine, you are up against advanced weapons that US pilot will not survive
in 1991 they flew over one of the most defenced cities in the world and done well youre talking nonesense
Just like optony said. You can include Vietnam in that, too. American aircraft losses speak volumes on that alone. Oh yea, "US pilots won't survive" Russians wouldn't either, they're lobbing makeshift glide bombs and staying out of the threat area.
Just another bot account tbh.
@@MrCampasaurus Why is everyone a 'bot' because they don't fly your flag !
Don’t do it guys…. I’d miss the show..but going up against Su-35’s and S400’s in a souped up F-16A is nuts!
Let them I wanna see this😂😂😂😂
@@RyanBrown-nx8dw 😂😂
@@RyanBrown-nx8dw serious subject but I nearly wet myself when I read this! Maybe we can get them to livestream a mission?? :)
Even the S300, SU 30 Mig 29s are a major challenge for F16.
@@mcal27 honestly I'm down let's do it. At the same time I feel bad. Alot of people don't see how many people ( ukranian soldiers) that have died , and wat is nato gonna say T the end but hey... I like a good show
There's nothing in this world that excites Lindsey Graham quite like the thought of Americans dying for foreign countries wars
Never trust a man named Lindsey.
@earl_gray nonsense? Oh, please do tell. Are you really going to argue Lindsey Graham isn't a war monger that doesn't care about Americans?
🤣 remember the video from like, 2015. Graham and McStain Ukraine hanging out with those Azov guys? Nazi symbols everywhere, and Gram and McCain bragging about how they're gonna arm up and go kill Russians. That leaked video didn't age well! I think there are still edited versions of RUclips, with the Nazi stuff blurred and deleted.
This is true
@@earl_gray nonsense? Is that really the hill to die on?
A nice 4K colour brochure, a pretty Ukrainian female recruiting Officer on the front page F-16 in the background slogan is simple "Come to the Ukraine and fly F-16s" and in the ultra superfine print it says "and if you're lucky we won't shoot you down with a Patriot Missile"
LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
If they still have some.. the western propaganda is ignoring the losses in SAMs, Himars and Patrios the kiev regime have taken recently.
The west can't even replace losses xD they can barely supply ammo
@@andrews.5212 The west is a joke, Russia is the powerful country in the world. NATO wouldn't last a day in a real war with RUSSIA.
Ah, it’s confirmed as blue on blue then.
Himars, challenger, Abrams, patriot, leopard, f16, Wow United states must be making lots of money from this war by sending these game changers into battlefield. They have really changed the map of Ukraine- Game changer indeed.
The game changers stopped Rutins takeover of Ukraine and beyond Comrade
Why would you go ukraine when we are fighting for freedom here in America
Oh, I am sure you have more then a few ex pilots and crew men helping with the training and maybe one or two who might have terminal diseases will actually volunteer
America is not even in the top 10 free countries
The fact that you are using the internet freely is a good indication you Americans are doing pretty well lol.
fighty against who????? you living in de land of the freedom. The Ukrainians fight to their death for their freedom of their country, for their families.
@@robr135 so is ukraine they go to party's nightclubs use the Internet also dose that mean they not at war
Ukraine had a peace deal until US errand boy Boris Johnson told Zelenski don't do any peace deals.
Oh BS, Ukraine was at war with Russia since 2014. Even earlier than that as there are numerous incidents of Russia shooting at Ukrainian ships or ramming them, blocking Ukrainian commercial ships from passing through the Kersh straits from the Azov Sea to the Black sea
@@pogo1140the Russians wouldn't have respected a peace deal and probably will never respect one but I doubt as many ukrainians would be dead right now
Do you even know the conditions of that initial peace deal? No you don't. LOL
@@BIOHAZARDXXXX If you do even a little bit of research you can find the details and they were much more favorable to Ukraine than what they will get in a couple of months when their military has totally collapsed.
No. Zelensky and all of Ukraine were outraged after the butchery in Bucha and Mariupol were brought to the worlds attention. After that Ukraine wasn’t going to play the west‘s appeasement game any longer
Nobody has the right to tell anyone to go fight for another country. With that said, people do that and often get respect for it. Before the US was at war, American pilots went to France to fight Germany in WW1, to England in WW2, and to China to fight against the Japanese in WW2. So yes, there are others who risk it all and hopefully we can respect their choices. Of course, even in our Revolutionary War there were people who came from Europe to help us. Would I do it if I was an F-16 pilot now, no I don't think so.
people from britain fought against facism in the spannish civil war because they were brave and felt that they had to fight for justice
In my country (South Africa) being a mercenary is a criminal act, no matter what side you are going to offer your services to for blood money. Why ? Because the world is messed up enough, with far too many wars and conflicts and regime change attempts, without having mercenaries adding more death, destruction, human rights violations and human misery to the picture. Your representative Lindsay Graham is a warmonger who cares nothing for human life nor limb, and would never ever put himself in the same life-threatening situations he’s trying to convince others to put themselves into. Stay out of this (and all other conflicts in the world which do not involve you). I have no dog in this fight - and neither do you.
You would be going up against modern 5 gen fighters. Not arabs with rpgs.
5th gen like what?
Well, mover, obviously, utube didn't like what I replied to you about what you said. I'll just say this. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan attacked the US.
OSB and Al Queada attacked the US. Iraq was all about regime change and that's was the mission change in Afghanistan. It didn't work did it! No WMD in Iraq was there.
it was about grabbing resources . nothing else. thats what the middle east is about. oil! nothing else.
When foreign "volunteers" go home all F'd Up, they can live off Ukrainian VA benefits 😂
Ukraine is the most dangerous airspace in the world at he moment, good luck to anyone who decides to do it you are going to need it. I know Lindsey Graham wouldn't have signed up if he was a pilot.
Never
😂😂😂😂
'Come fight S400, SU 57 and Mig 31 in a F16!' 😂
'Become the first in your squad to claim an F-16 trophy"
The poor F-16 would not even get to see the MiG-31BM with hypersonic missiles before it gets shot down.
That fight will happen if Patriots let the F-16 survive first
Russian pilots have low hours . The Russian aviation is being poorly maintained. Soon they will simply fall from the skies .
@@Philip-hv2kc "They are running out of missiles, Putin has cancer, they are using washing machine chips, they are using shovels, the 'Ghost of Kiev' is undefeated, [insert wonder weapon here] will change the course of the war, the SU57 is a 4.5 gen fighter", etc. 🙄
Those of you keep bringing up Flying Tigers are flat out wrong about them. They did it *for the money* and virtually all the pilots and ground crew were in it for the thrill and adventure, not for some idealism about "Freedom" (or any real love for Chinese people). Also, Chennault and his pilots knew they were going up against inferior Japanese competition; the vast majority of Flying Tigers kills were vs. the already obsolete Ki-27. Had they been facing Mitsubishi A6Ms of the IJN, the P-40s would have been swept from the sky with ease. They were glory hounds that knew the odds were in their favor; stop rewriting history that they were some principled men walking the "high road" to try to shame Mover and Gonky and others like them...."
You have to pardon these newbies my friend. They get their history lessons from Hollywood 😂
I doubt that they knew their odds upfront. And about 25 % of their pilots died, so they quickly learned that there mission was dangerous. It was not a turkey shoot like USAF operations in 2009.
If they were in for the thrill and adventure (and money), you could call them fools, but they certainly had more courage than some pilots bragging with "combat" tours over Iraq 2009 (2 AF members are listed as casualty for the whole year, not sure if those were pilots).
btw, nothing wrong with not joining the Ukrainian war, even if the only excuse would have been that the risks are to high and the odds are far worse than if flying with the full US support and CSAR etc.: you can call these pilots wise men (like you could call the Flying Tiger pilots fools), but the FTs definitively had more courage.
And all these replies "sign up if you think Ukraine needs help" are pretty much nonsense: people may have the same main reasons as Mover and Gonky: no ties to Ukraine, own family.
Interestingly enough, this did not prevent Mover to go to Iraq though.
To die for that fool of a president? Never
Which president do you mean? Bush senior or Bush junior?
@@ayeidoucareau5014 it could apply to those, Biden or Zelensky.
@@zemm9003 both
Russian air defenses are the best in the world, it has to be, the sheer size of Russia alone makes air defense essential. The F-16 is 50 years old! No way I would climb into one and fly in Ukraine. From what I understand the F-16's there are old 80's Dutch planes with thousands of hours on thier airframes.....unless one has a death wish, I would not advise flying for that cesspool of corruption and ignorance!
American jets are JOKE, this is why Russia is winning
They have over 25 of their best air defense systems surrounding Moscow. Hundreds of drones and missiles have gotten through anyways.
@stupidburp So, did f-16 ever fly in Moscow? You know that the same drone can do the same to Washington d.c. right?
@@stupidburp And how many got shot down? No air defense is perfect, especially against very small stuff launched locally.
On 28 September 2023, a Russian S-300 surface-to-air missile shot down a friendly Su-35 near the Tokmak region. The preliminary report suggests the S-300 missile's fire control radar could not identify friend or foe, leading to a friendly fire incident that downed the Su-35.[113][114][115]
On 2 August 2024, Ukraine struck four Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile systems in Crimea. According to CNN news, four S-400 systems were severely damaged by the Ukrainian attacks.[149][150]
Freedom is at stake here in our own country. Americans need to fight to secure that before doing anything.
Who do you think is spreading this chaos intentionally? There are 5 foreign governments that are doing most of the damage. Russia is on that list.
Can you walk and chew bubble gum at the same time? I hope so.
100%. We should be enlisting volunteers and retired military to secure our borders. That would be something I suspect many vets would respond to positively.
So ture
@@major__kong Can you sleep & breathe at the same time? I hope so.
The USA started this Ukraine conflict.
Soros, Nuland, Freeland, Blinken, McCain.
All active in Ukraine since 1990, and also behind the coup at the Maydan.
Are you serious!?
@@a320sideslipproblems4 The plan is there to read in the 2019 Rand report.
I too remember American tanks crossing the border on February 24th 2022. Or the American "little green men" infiltrating Ukraine in 2014, as the real start of the war.
Sir are you stupid?
@@a320sideslipproblems4 Absolutely. They are profiting by the billion off of this. The weapons/planes/etc. is not free. Nearly every American Presidency is marked by some type of war that ends with an ungodly amount of profit.
The wall stream media says, as mercenaries for former fighter Jet of F16 Pilots are highly demanded, because of The Russian are retreating forwards, The Ukrainian are also advancing backwards.
"The right of the people to not give a shit about politics, let alone politics between countries abroad, shall not be infringed." The missing amendment.
I do kinda give a shit about billions of our tax money being flushed down the toilet so that Lindsey Graham and other politicians like him can get rich from perpetual wars in other countries. But yeah, I understand the sentiment
Increasingly we in the West are being brainwashed into sacrifices OS for a Globalist agenda.
So true
"I havva *right* to remain ignorant, and darn if I'm scared to use it!"
@@johanmetreus1268 nailed it 😂
Ukraine just retired one of their own F16 pilots.
😂 that's quick !
@@xvy333but not funny.
@@Bob10009 Rip to the pilot but 4 that f16 , it wasn't that mighty !
@@Bob10009 Indeed it is FUNNY.
Funny how you all thought F16 is some "wonder weapon" that can do miracles.
Still gonna burn like Leopards, Abrams, Challengers, etc...
BORZZIKMAN have a great show about it today.
They didn't even know what heat them... -RIP- .
From an aircraft maintenance standpoint I would be concerned about the level of knowledge and competency on the ground in Ukraine. Parts supply would be an issue also.
Parts are not an issue. Maintenance crews are the issue. They need experienced people to train and lead their crews.
NATO and the US are still operating like it's peacetime while the Ukrainians are on a wartime tempo, 1 year training? you have 3 months.
@@pogo1140waawaaawaaa
Not gonna do it? So you’re NOT suicidal? 👍
That even sucks as a method of suicide though.
Bad idea. If a ukrainian pilot cant survive on his own turf, you think a foreigner will? He will be truly retired.
The Ukrainian pilots have survived for 2 years so far while facing an 10-1 odds.
@@pogo1140 survived by barely flying
@@r.m2072 You fly when you have a plane available. Ukraine is flying old Russian built planes with no source of spare parts.
The bulk of their spare parts come from scavenged from no-flying planes that were bombed by the Russians and cannibalizing combat coded planes that have been damaged. Currently 45-70 from the 140-200 planes that survived the initial attacks in 2022.
@@pogo1140easy to claim you survive if you don't fly.
@Ioo-nd6hf the Ukrainians were flying. Not as much with just 45 to 70 planes and no spare parts and no missiles or bullets, but they
I have nothing against Russia and no allegiance towards or for Ukraine. I wouldn't die or kill as a hired hand.
You probably never served anybody a day in your life so your comment makes perfect sense 🤔🤷♂️
@@smyers820gm you serve your wife's boyfriend and try to make an example of it? cuck down boy
No Russian ever called me a white oppressor.
@@smyers820gm "You never served anybody" - spoken like a true slave...
@@adrianshephard224 cries out, the selfish man who only ever served his own interests 🤔 EDIT: to serve doesn’t equal slave. You should look those words up in a dictionary and learn their meaning so you don’t look so foolish 🤷♂️
Imagine Mover on some Telegram video, in a Russian detention center being questioned by a group of Russians, after getting shot down by his own side.
Wondering if the US will trade some prisoner for him.
No, the US will not trade him because the US will disown him. As they always say "We're not involved in this war. That American F-16 pilot went there on his own as a mercenary".
@@ronalddizon4017 Screw that Kremlin narrative. Any volunteer going to Ukraine will be joining the national armed forces and thus per definition is NOT a mercenary... something the USA government has made perfectly clear already.
@@johanmetreus1268 give it a try then.. and who cares what some government "makes perfectly clear" ?
@@alexv1269 are you trying to pretend that Kremlin doesn't give a hoot about the international laws and treaties they blatantly break?
@@johanmetreus1268This is incorrect, but hey if you think you know it better, good luck to find out.
Surprised they haven't brought back the Flying Tigers...
US (merc) aviators flying vs the Japanese.
what do you think the pilots who accept these offers are?
They are not mercs. They are foreign nationals in the Ukrainian military. We have some foreigners in the US military. They have all the rights under the laws of war just like all other military members. Russia will torture all prisoners anyways regardless of their nationality because they are embracing unlimited war crimes. But you can help in other ways if you don’t want to take that risk.
@@stupidburp where did you hear that?
@@phishENchimpsit’s widely reported by everyone but the Krem-lin media. There’s been enough cases opened it’s obviously both wide spread and supported by the leadership
The Tigers fought with honour unlike the usa today letting others die for your interests 😢
My grandpop is a retired 1986 F16 pilot I may ask him if he wants to join the corrupt clown president retired pilots activation unit
Your grand pop is probably a retired drug smuggler from Suarez 😂😂😂😂
Good on you for speaking common sense, doing so publicly, and while still serving. So much propaganda out there.
One of my UPT classmates was from Ukraine and I used to drive him to DLI each weekend for him to hangout with his buddies. Great dude and great pilot. I'll never forget being on his wing in the T-37 for his formation solo and that smart salute before the break.
I feel for the Ukrainians but mostly because our government has used them during this fiasco it created.
Well damn......I guess two weeks of training wasn't enough. Who knew?
It was almost certainly friendly fire from a Ukrainian SAM site. That guy was one of their best pilots unfortunately.
@@BIOHAZARDXXXX Sounds like the missile men needed a longer course too
Amsrican citizens cant even defend the borders but thry want us to go help ukraine
I take it you never learned to walk and chew gum?
@@pogo1140 we don't need to we not sending out kids ot tax dollars to ukraine no more let trump just win the election and wait and see
@@pogo1140 I'd take it your a European so ypu definitely don't know how to or else ypu would have fought your wars without begging Americans to help ypu if it wasn't for us Americans ypu would be replying to me in German
@KamBam-ni3pt
You funny guy. 80% of total german kia and wounded werre on the Eastern front. IOW Russians destroyed 80% of Germany's military while Britain Canada and the USA did the 20%.
🤣🐄💩
well, yes, good point, the native Americans indeed struggled to fight off the invasion from Europe.
Ok, so lets imagine we got 70 western pilots to fly 35 F-16s. Cool. Where will the F-16s be based? Inside Ukrainian territory? Those are under constant recon by Russia, and Russia has shown itself capable of attacking every single part of Ukrainian territory all the way out to Polish border.
So safe basing doesn't exist on Ukrainian mainland.
Second: Russia has the whole Ukrainian airspace monitored. And it can use both long range interception by aircraft AND by SAMs. Range far longer than missiles available to Ukrainian F-16s can achieve. Also Russia can easily target those AEWaC aircraft that Sweden offered, so situational awareness will also be higher on Russian side.
Su-35S and MiG-31BM have higher kinematic capabilities (higher cruising speed) which makes them more difficult to intercept than vice-versa.
Basically F-16s are outnumbered, outflanked and outgunned. Ukraine itself is basically dead. There is nothing in it for anyone to fly there. What are those F-16s going to do? Try to achieve air superiority? Impossible under these conditions. Fly on rare occasion to fire a stand-off weapon? Yea, ok, maybe. But that's about it. And even that is dangerous.
You would die even flying a perfect F-16. Russian air defense is just too good...and yeah. Im a Viet Nam vet in Kharkiv Ukraine right now as a tourist...dozen plus rockets fell on the city today...some near my apt. managers home. Wars SUCK😢
Sorry but you’re wrong. We come a long way in dealing with Russian air defenses since your war. No offense 🤷♂️
@@smyers820gm Oh? How is he WRONG and you are RIGHT? SAM sights from Vietnam are now cutting edge S300, S400, S450, S500, hell an old S125 NEVA managed to detect and shoot down F117, and damage another. But hey, Russian defense is BAD! Ukraine can win a war in outdated 50 year old plane that probably is on the END of it's service life! But he is nobody YOU are the EXPERT.
BTW, S200 detected F35 and damaged it over Syria. "Bird strike" my A$$!
@smyers820gm I'm not wrong. Russia's current air defense systems are demonstrably better than 50 years ago. Our Patriot systems are NOT doing well in Ukraine either. Russia's EW systems are dealing with Patriots better than the brainwashed US media reports as well. Military.
Spokespeople on media in the US like General Jack Keane on FOX are just a disgrace in BS'n The American public about the abilities of the American military.... And lying about the weaknesses of the Russian armed forces. Very sad.
@@smyers820gmfiring 8 atacms at a S400 battary isn't dealing with it, there is a reason you don't hear much about atacms as late, don't be foolish, it's not a game, the Russians are very capable
@@themanwiththegoldengun1998 actually it is. ATACMS is cheaper than s400. And it’s a less complicated system. S400 is a battery that has multiple units that must work together for the system to function. Remove one of those elements and the s400 is removed from the battlefield leaving a huge swath of sky open for aircraft to be utilized. I never said it was a game but my comment still stands. We have multiple options to remove s400 from the battlefield. Your feelings aren’t going to change this. It is irrefutable fact that 🤷♂️. Also, just because you don’t “hear” about atacms doesn’t mean anything 🤦♂️. News reports aren’t like McDonald’s where you have it “your way”. That is the most ridiculous statement ever 🙄. Have you heard a single story confirming the s400 shot down anything 🤷♂️. The answer is no. But yet you’re here defending it 🤷♂️
If only your politicians would be as dedicated to the US as Mover is...Only if...
Senator Graham is a retired US Air Force Colonel. He's done his part.
@ifly64s he's a warmonger
🤣 Yea, he got rich from money laundered through Ukraine. Remember the big scandal with Zelensky re-unvesting US foreign aid with Bankman Fried crypto exchange, who then donated it to a bunch of Democrats and a few Republicans? ( Graham, McConnell, among others).
@@ifly64s
Fine but he’s been a big talker and do nothing Senator for at least a decade…. IMO: he’s lost any honor and credibility he might have earned, as an Air Force officer….
they'd abolish the FED immediatlely
We have ties to Ukraine to the tune of unaccounted for hundreds of millions of our tax dollars.... I am with you Mover...
We don't send them cash, you know.
@@zachansen8293 No these idiots don't know that lol
There’s not unaccounted for money given to Ukraine. It’s the age old problem our military can’t properly audit itself let alone someone they are supporting. Big difference
Misinformation 🙄
I wonder if there are any ties between your remaining 3 neurons and your hands when you type anything, something tells me nope but it's OK
Next will be ads in gaming universe for Microsoft flight simulator enthusiasts
go go gadget
Fake news. Ukraine has the ghost of Kiev. 🤣
If there wasn't a ghost before, he sure is now.
Bruh the Russian bots are here in force.
But yeah, your position is respectable. It's not your war and you have no obligation to fight it, but if others want to, it's also their choice. Russia considers the most of the EU and NATO their enemies, so there is a justification there...
Now is the time for all the 'professional DCS pilots' to shine.
We've already had a demonstration that a DCS pilot was able to beat an AI that none of the real F-16 and F-15 pilots were able to beat.
@@pogo1140 Really? ...Details?
@@Bronco-1776 Go back a few months, AI pilot was making head on gun attacks, US pilots don't, the DCS pilot did because we are conditioned to make them.
DCS and other sim pilots don't have minimum altitudes, min separation, safety bubbles that real pilots train with and are conditioned to maintain to the point that it's instinct.
Because real pilots in the real world die, DCS pilots just hit the reset button.
time to walk the walk
I think is perfectly fine if other pilots wants to go to Ukraine. That’s their choice. They take the consequences of their choices. That said, it’s fine for other pilots to have nothing to do with Ukraine. Aside from watching from the outside, those pilots have their own priorities. Ukraine isn’t the center of the world. It should be treated as such.
Since when was it "fine" to sign up to fight on the side of the bad guys? NATO started this war in 2014, sabotaged the Minsk Agreement, sabotaged the Istanbul agreement and the AFU had been shelling the ethnic Russians indiscriminately in the Donbass for the 8 years before Russia got involved. So, it could be that it is fine to go sign up to fight on the side of the Russians.
Very well said. Fair and balanced .👍
this is not one size fits all
Some people see this as an existential battle between freedom and dictatorship. Some are prepared to die for that ideal. If they want to go, let them.
@@Peter-y5y9i But people who see it that way have no idea about the real world and are ignorant, stupid and dangerous and should not be encouraged in any way.
I have 15,000 hours in LOMAC, DCS, and Falcon 4.0!!
You're hired!
What is your point?
It means he's current with perking on his joystick.
overqualified sry
You should have spent those 15,000 hours with nice women and friends.
This is what happens when people who know what they are talking about offer opinions. Rare on youtube, particularly about war.
I don't know Mover. Would you have said the same thing to the American pilots that flew for England during the battle of Britain before the US entered WWII? Or the pilots of the Flying Targets that fought for China against Japan? Certainly it's a personal choice, and the risks you list are genuine. But, for a pilot who feels strongly enough that Russia needs to be stopped, just like those WWII pilots thought the Nazis needed to be stopped regardless of what the US government was doing, I would hope the US would not prevent them from going.
comparing Russia and nazis or even WW2 japan is nuts
China continues to show US how grateful they are
Well this is not ww2 and russia is not nazi germany
Not really, Putin has Nazi's fighting for him in Ukraine, in his youth groups, in his News organizations, providing security for his party's political events
US isn't stoping the retiree's from going. The government actually couldn't care less about vets.
Alternatively, would you train young Ukrainian pilots, and after a day of playing shirtless volleyball on the beach, you decide that you should go with them to increase their chance of winning?
Top Gun 3 now has a plot….
Pooop
The word on the street is that most of the Ukrainian pilots who are getting trained are spending more time doing whatever they can to get a Section 8 out of the program since they want no part of the Russian air force or air defenses in aircraft they are barely familiar with.
@@dougt5357 is the street your best source of information because Telegram is getting shut down?
Make sure the "Patriot crews" have your transponder codes. AMEN!
Sure it was patriot 😂😂 or the f16 stopped ✋️ a Russkies missile 😂😂😂
it got downned by su57 , patriot iff is BS
@@tabasco-jf7eb Only the Russkies regularly claim they have shot down their aircraft because incompetence somehow sounds better than admitting that western weapons are superior.
Absolutely correct. You serve under the command of the United States Air Force wearing a US armed forces uniform. Your loyalty is the the US. Not Ukraine or any other country.
Also, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
The 40 year old F-16 was a great fighter for its time but it is no match for today's Russian Integrated Air Defense.
The Russian integrated Air Defense that has been the cause of 1/2 of Russia's fixed wing aviation losses including an AWACS plane?
Below 300ft, Russian GBAD is non-existent 10 miles from the line of contact. You can even operate above 10,000ft depending on the distance to the line of contact. Russian fighters don't come within 30 mile of the line of contact because somewhere down there are road tripping Ukrainian SAMs
@@pogo1140 LoL ..and where did you get your propaganda Rambo News from?
😀😃😄😁
@@andyhughes1776 It's been an open secret for 2 years now bub. Russians have lost planes to SAMs in areas where no Ukrainian SAMs could reach
@@andyhughes1776 Have you been following the war? It turns out that big and scary famous russian air defense has been a paper tiger this whole time. Along with their pathetic military that really thought it could capture Kiev in a week 😆
@@BIOHAZARDXXXX It was General Milley who said Russia wanted Kiev in 3 days. The Russians said they would liberate Donbas, and they are.
Silly Milly hasn't a clue what goes on in Russia, given he doesn't live there or speak Russian, and is certainly not getting copies of Russian plans.
So not willing to fight against countries with an Airforce.
Got it.
With new SAM from russia & china, flying old f16 is just stupid suicide mission.
Not your war gentlemen. This crap is some five six hundred years old. If not thousand. Let them sort it out. Not the first time.
I understand them not wanting to participate in the war but it seems you’re implying that no one should simply because Russia and Ukraine have bad relations dating back centuries. You do realize russia has always been the aggressor all of those years? Why should we all be content to simply see Russia try once again to delete Ukraine?
Your war was with the Taliban yet Ukraine came and helped in you hour of need. Guess you really don't have any loyalty to those who fight and die on the battlefield for your cause. 🙄
We said that in both world wars and were drawn in anyways. That is why we changed from an isolationist policy to an interventionist policy to put a lid on conflicts before they expand globally. We got involved in multiple costly conflicts after that but avoided WW3.
If you let this fester, you might just have WWIII. And what message does it send to the Iranians, North Koreans, and Taiwan. I'm pretty sure you won't like a world order where they are running things. Isolationism is a product of good times and creates weak men. Weak men create hard times.
Think you got your wars mixed up mate
Have you ever notice that the further a dude is from the front the more hawkish they are?
Yes it's not a sport. That's what gets me when an athlete in a game says it's a war. No it's a game! War is he'll and war sucks!
Gonky’s eloquence leaves me in tears as usual.
what
@@evanfinch4987 HE SAID "GONKY'S ELOQUENCE LEAVES ME IN TEARS AS USUAL"
did you hear that now?
I appreciate the insight. The security aspect was not something I had considered. Thank you for the things you do.
I say you leave it up to the pilot, I can say this, if your of ukrainian decent within 2 generations and are an ex pilot, that is a green light for them to go support their homeland their current family may still live in.
For almost decades a Ukrainian majority of 66% didn't want their country to join NATO but it was already decided by a small group of people in the 90s in the US, other NATO-members had no say in that decision. When such a big percentage don't want it over and over again, you should stop the reckless strive.
Game changers : Abrams, leopard, challenger, himars, ATACMS, Patriots, storm shadow, F16 😂 went horribly wrong. Point is damage happens 2 both sides so would be fair to stop underestimating Russia's capabilities .
It would be fair to stop over estimating Russia's capabilities
@@pogo1140 U$ is a master
My jaw hit the floor when Lindsay Graham asked for Americans to go fight Russia. An American F16 with an American pilot attacking Russians is FUBAR.
I hear they are offering a great retirement package....
It's called ''6 feet under'' package.
@@StjepanP-m7zS400 serving missles up front too
I agree with all your reasons and would like to add that the threat level inside Ukraine would be much higher than what you probably faced in the past.
To quote russell Casse from independence day..."I can fly, I'm a pilot".
That's a good one.🤣
Keep that coffee comin'...
I believe he was so drunk he said “I’m fly. I’m pilot” 😂
The new SU 57 russian jet has a air to air mach 7 400km range missile....... the f16 has a 230km air to air......its no match
Flying F16s in Ukraine can be dangerous. Ukraine just used a US Patriot missile to shoot one of theirs down. Zelenski fired the officer in charge but where there is one there may be more bad officers.
Probably a Euro or an American in charge.
I wonder if he'll get the reward $ Putin put on those F-16
@@everypitchcounts4875 Too soon, but that is kinda funny.
Zelensky is asking Biden for CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS to come to Ukraine to repair and maintain the F16's. Obviously, the answer is "No!"
Funny to see the difference between pilots and infantry on this. "I only want to engage easy targets, otherwise it's not my war"
One of those first few f16's have already crashed...
Shot down by Russian federation. Don't spin lies of the nazis.
Shot down by patriot system
Probably got shot down by russia
That happens during a war. Enemy fire and friendly fire are both risks in war.
@@zachansen8293 US made patriots dowing US made f16's.? That happens generally in wars.?
The big difference is that any F-16 pilot would be facing Russia integrated air defense systems, including long range SAMs, Russian Air Force, flying old planes with questionable maintenance and support. Not some goat herders in Afghanistan.
The war in ukraine is not like in irak or afghanistan russia is another level they fight with high level weapons 😅 imagine you in F16 and russia with their hypersonic missile no chance
Iraq.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Russia is the 2nd best military in Russia right now 😂😂😂😂😂 FOH
@@smyers820gmhow old are you, it's need even a laughing matter, Russia isn't the second best military in Ukraine, if they was pilots will be lining up to fly those F16s but they are not, please engage brain before talking because you don't have a clue what you are saying
Heard China has the best Hypersonic in the world?
@@themanwiththegoldengun1998 please learn English before trying to type it 🤦♂️🙄
Я полагаю, что на стороне Украины давно воюет много пилотов наёмников, даже большинство украинских пилотов - наёмники, так как до 2022 года у Украины было очень мало самолётов в боеготовом состоянии и их пилоты имели очень маленький налёт часов, ВВС Украины были очень малочисленными. После 2022 года с помощью США было восстановлено с баз хранения Украины и из других стран сотни самолётов и вертолётов и большинство из них были сбиты и пилоты погибли - у Украины не было так много пилотов, даже совсем молодых и плохих пилотов и старых пилотов в отставке.
This is not about Ukraine. This is about democracy, freedom, and peace in a Western sense. Remember the story we were told: They fight for us. Who is "us"? It's not funny, but I had to laugh listening. Sometimes, it sounds like you only fight when you are the far superior force. This is, by the way, always a good decision; otherwise, you should run away. 😉
Are you fighting currently?
@@themoverandgonkyshow I am not fighting in any war, and hopefully this will not change.
I hope, the sarcasm in my comment wos realized.
I can't belive that any none Ukrainian is stupid enough to take that offer, because it is a definite death sentence.
This war should not hav started at all, and at least needs to end as soon as posible.
If its is about freedom and peace you should fight with the Russians not against them.
@@dfloper Again, sarcusum may be a way to say something, what you are not allowed to say.
War is always shit, but I understand the Russian position. The west for more then 20 years now fights undecleard wars and destroy countries and Russia is a target since Putin staibilized it. I am German and in many ways we are brothers (Katharina wos German). I feel sad about the actions of my government and the unwillingness for any diplomatic talks. We have no business in Ukrain but we are not a independent country able to make our own decisions.
As a former A7 driver (now retired) I would never fly for any country other than my own. That would make me a mercenary, a concept I cannot grasp. I would do it under my country's banner if NATO was involved in defending Europe. Different story.
NATO doesn't defend Europe. NATO is the threat!
usa pilots are getting paid so good with so good benefits that one can argue they are all mercenaries technically
@@Redmanticore I have to disagree respectfully. USA pilots are paid what the country believes they deserve. Nothing wrong with that.
Everyone is Top Gun Maverick. Until you realize you are fighting Russia in real life.
Oh, so combat flying in Ukraine and Russia is a lot more dangerous than 1000% permissible afghan/ Iraq. Can’t rack up the body count and strike medals so easily there, huh.
Afghan/ Iraq is also brown people, Russians are white. Strong race element here as well
*RUSSIA is not Iraq or Afghanistan. The SU-57 shootdown F-16 whose send to Ukraine recently. Premiere flight of F-16 destroyed by SU-57*
No it didn't
Ukraine is not so innocent in this mess.
A newly NATO trained Ukrainian pilot (he was a long term Ukrainian pilot ) in an F-16 just died. There is a dispute on how he was killed. Was it a "friendly fire" shootdown? Or was he shot down by a Russian missile? Or did he make an error and crash the plane? But the bottom line is he is dead and the F-16 destroyed. This SMO/war isn't fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is against a top line peer enemy. And the chance of dying is at the best 50-50. I think anybody signing on to that needs to sign a will quickly.
Very true.
First near peer enemy we have faced in decades.
Also as a foreign mercenary Russia would not treat you as a prisoner of war.
I'm all for fighting to defend the United States of America and only the United States of America because my family lives here. I used to love what America stood for but I don't love foreign forever wars, or domestic marxist and immoral causes. I'm all for defending my family though.
It's called isolationism.
Really popular back in the 1930's, back when the US had NAZI organizations marching in Washington DC and were actively telling Americans that the war was not "America's" war.
The Ukrainian F-16 was hit by a Russian SU-57 from a record 270 kilometers it has now been revealed.
I do respect what you’re saying but don’t compare facing Russian to Afghanistan or Iraq. I am Afghan and I know Afghanistan never had capabilities to fight F-16. In Ukraine you are facing advance capabilities which Russian forces. In my view what I saw so far Russian Destroyed Ibrahim Tanks, German made leopard tanks, American made Bradley and American patriot units these weapons were never seen such real challenges so I don’t think American F-16 can stand against Russian S-400. The only way to make difference is to fight with F-22 or F-35. Otherwise now America is facing stronger challengers than Afghanistan and Iraq.
I would sign up
Negotiate ! Oh yeah, there’s no $$$ in Peace. Please VOTE !
Negotiate what?
What is Russia willing to give up?
When you’re winning you don’t need to give up anything - you hold the upper hand in negotiations!
@@dolly22215 Thus there is no reason for Ukraine to negotiate
Negotiate with Putin? Have you not been paying attention?
Fighting for Blackrock 🤷♀️
Good call. No point throwing your life away against pilots much more experienced then you. Better to go fly against people who can’t fire back.
Vacancies for retired F16 pilots it's a Golden Opportunity to meet Jesus