Groove Synthesis 3rd Wave // Live Sound Design Custom Patches + Improv
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- Edited highlight reel from a recent 2 hour Twitch stream I did where I created a few patches from scratch on the 3rd Wave, with some improv and sequencer recordings using only built in FX (I think there was a tiny bit of Supermassive reverb on the DAW track). I tried my best to edit out the boring parts, including where I was typing/chatting to Twitch viewers.
I included some previously made custom patches and sequencer demos.
Everything you hear are custom patches.
00:00 Patch from scratch
09:40 Making an analog patch for the 2nd part
14:32 3rd part analog bass sound
18:30 4th part making a bell/keys sound
20:55 Custom patch/sequence made earlier
22:44 2nd custom patch/sequence demo
24:22 3rd custom patch/sequence demo
25:09 4th custom patch/sequencer demo (single measure)
25:34 Demo of previously made analog pad sound (custom)
26:37 Demo of custom TD style keys/pluck patch
28:05 Demo of custom SFX patch
28:42 New multi-part design from scratch (1st part)
34:14 2nd part/voice design
37:44 3rd part/voice design
40:03 Sequencer recording each part to make a track
41:20 Recording 3rd part to sequencer
44:58 Recording 2nd part to sequencer
45:50 Adding synced stereo delay and reverb to 2nd part
46:23 Adding FX to 3rd part
46:48 Improv higher part/bell 3rd part to sequencer
47:48 4th part design
51:16 Recording 4th part into sequencer
52:48 Finished track (this is a single multi-part patch)
54:03 New sound design from scratch (SFX)
01:05:43 New patch from scratch (Ambient pad)
01:14:05 Recording new pad into sequence track (unquantized)
01:15:22 Creating 2nd part (analog lead)
01:19:18 Recording 2nd part into sequencer (unquantized)
01:22:00 Making 3rd part analog bass
01:25:55 Recording 3rd part into sequencer (unquantized)
01:27:30 Recording Parameter changes on 3rd part/track
01:29:26 Finished track
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That blue with the old school gray buttons and bright orange leds. Such a great look. Recognizable as well which is always a smart move. Seems to have a good range of sounds as well 👌🏻
O M G ! The ultimate desert island synth.
And one of the best synth demos ever. 👏
This is absolutely great stuff. I finally had the time to listen to more of it. Great sounds, and I especially love the multi-part sequencing - you are one of the few people to show this off. Thank you State Azure!
Thanks!
Best demo video so far, BETTER than ALL the other synth demo videos I have seen!!! 💯👏👏👏👏👏
My favorite keyboard of all time (except for a classic Mellotron) is the Wave PPG. This takes me back. I think half of my interest in it came from the look alone. And oh the sounds that she could make for the time. Great memories.
Finally got mine on it's way! can't wait to get my creative juices flowing with it! absolutely remarkable synth! Fantastic demo too! nice work as always!
Thank you, Scott! That's great to hear you have one coming, I'm sure you'll love it!
Beautiful... You have helped me to focus on my work today. Thank you.
This is the best thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life
Fantastic music and sound !
26:21 LOVE those string pads!!!
Very inspiring for a new day.
What I feel sets the 3rd wave apart is having 4 layers of 3 oscillators . Not sure how polyphony gets used but the sound I'm hearing here in your sequences are deep and varied. The analog filters are so nice. Also , being able to construct your own wavetable from various waveforms of up to 64 single cycles, is really nice to be able to do right on the hardware.
Thanks! Yeah it's a very powerful synth. The voices get split equally each time you activate a new layer/part, so if you activate the first two you'll be at 12 voices per part I believe. You also have 2 FX per part, and a sequencer track. I didn't even seem to hit any limits in these demos.
Amazing machine.
RIGHT ON SIR !
Man, I'm still digging into mine after the video I made 2 weeks ago. Sounds just pour out of it. Your sequences at 22:44, 24:23, 25:12, etc. are stunning - I'd pay for those!
Thank you, Jim! I watched your video on the 3rd Wave a little while ago, fantastic sounds you got out of it too, it was nice to hear the warmer more analog side to it and I think you did an amazing job showing this off!
@@stateazure thanks my friend- likewise! Clearly, this synth is destined to be a classic 😁
@@JimDaneker It's certainly worthy of a classic status I think!
Tngerine dreams sequences…amazing..the best video on this amazing synth on the tube.
Groovie !
Nice Float RePlay ToNight after the Thunderstorms
as the planets and stars rejoin the sky Spectacular
being an M owner, i did not know i needed this synth until now. mind blowing sound design. I wish the M had better control over transients and a little more malleable sculpting tools
I've never owned an M, but I've heard it a bunch and I think it sounds pretty nice. It has the same limitation that I dislike on the 3rd Wave though, and that's a lack of waveshaping over the actual wavetables, like soft wavetable synths have had forever i.e. Windowing, Mirror, Pulse, Half-Pulse and tons of other ways to shape and mangle the wavetables. I really don't understand the reason for not having these options, since they existed in very old synths like the Z3ta+ and Serum
@@stateazuredoes the hydrqsynth, allow it ?
The Hydrasynth has way more options for waveshaping, yes...though they're mostly FM based I think and can be a little on the harsh side, not as good as Serum/Vital does it@@cronenbergj
@@stateazure and the Hydra waves are much more simple. 3rd wave also dies Fm, but i have nit seem great demos about it.
The 3rd wave sound just doesn't appeal to me but when it's in your hands Pat you make it sound fantastic bravo.
Thanks :) It definitely has a sound that won't appeal to everyone, and the real strength of the synth is when it's doing dirty, gritty, crunchy stuff. It can be very soft, warm and analog too and I tried to show a bit of everything here.
Ok, miles away, jim danaker AND YOU, have convinced me I can sell three synths and buy this one! I’ll end up with a Waldorf iridium keyboard and the 3rd wave and my Roland FA-08.
Seriously, The United States is kicking ass with synth companies! The Groove Synthesis guys have hit a home run spanning DECADES!
You really are a synth genius sir and a genius deserves an instrument like this!
I am wondering if the Iridium will be redundant next to the 3rd wave.
Thank you! I hope you enjoy the 3rd Wave. It in no way makes the Iridium redundant though, I still own two iridium's (desktop and keyboard), actually there isn't another hardware synth that exists that would ever make the iridium redundant, it simply has too many different synthesis and sampling options. The 3rd Wave and Iridium work nicely together
Thank you, but the "original" was very interesting because it showed how you managed the synth, also when there where problems.
Very, very nice synth, but also very, very expensive.
What is your personal impression in comparison to the Iridium/Quantum?
More sound, less flexibility?...
Ok, I'm a little bit hard here. Thank you very much for your work and tagging!
And the sound of this synth and the impressions you give us are a loud call of GAS.... (and a danger for my budget 😮)
The stream where I had problems I completely deleted from Twitch, this highlight reel is from last night where I had 0 problems, I've only really removed the parts where the audio is dead as I'm inputting patch names or chatting to the audience. The 3rd Wave is an expensive synth, but imo it's not overpriced when one looks at and understands the features and just how power the synth is. I think there's been quite a bit of misunderstanding from some as to what you're actually getting for the price. I don't think it's really comparable to other synths when it comes to the sound. The 3rd Wave is very unique, though it can certainly cover a lot of other sonic areas i.e. more modern wavetable sound, VA and some FM etc. You get a lot more synthesis options with the Iridium/Quantum, but if I were to compare it purely on wavetable capabilities I think the 3rd Wave is far beyond the basic wavetable implementation on the Iridium/Quantum, but again, it's not a fair comparison because the 3rd Wave isn't really competing, it's capable of very unique sounds that set it apart from other synths, including the M, and should be looked at like a super modern take on the PPG Wave with the bonus of being quite an incredible sounding VA/hybrid rivalling fully analog synths thanks to its Prophet 5/10 analog filter (plus SEM digital SVF) and an extremely well done analog circuit emulation.
Can’t wait for the 1-2 hour composition when you finish your patches. Your Folding Space and Bitwig live are the best sleep/ passive listening RUclips tracks ever 🤗
@@stateazureWow, thank you for the long and concrete answer.
As I wrote at the live stream, the aoubd remembers me Propaganda and I love it. It'a very direct, with a strong and musical presence. Inspiring.
I had never this impression with the Waldorfs, for me they sound more digital and discrete.
The 3rd Wave is like a contrast to the smooth and elegant sound of a Juno or a Super6. The Modwave seems nearer...
Your free playing is giving an excellent impression of the sound character of this synth and gives me more "the taste" of it as the usual reviews.
Well done.... you GAS provocator 😂
The 3rd wave is an excellent add to your setting. I am already looking forward to your next compositions.
@@LagrangePointD I think I probably have too many soft/warm/analog synths in my studio, so more digital synths fit in better for me. Plus, I'm just more of a fan of digital and hybrid synths anyway, that's where the excitement and interesting/unique sounds and sound design potential is and Waldorf have been doing a great job in that space IMO.
I am the lucky owner of both a Waldorf XTK and a Waldorf Q Phoenix. Both have respectively 30 and 32 voices. Both are WT synths and direct ancestors of the PPG Wave 2.3 and the Waldorf Wave which can be heard immediately as soon as you play them. (I did own a 2.3 and Wave back in the days) At first, I was planning to sell both Waldorf Q & XTK synths in order to buy a 3Rd Wave. But upon closer investigation (and remembering the mistake of selling the Wave and PPG a long time ago) I wouldn't swap either the XTK or Q for the 3rd Wave. Imho, it is way more interesting to buy those older Waldorf synths (as they probably will go up in price) instead of a single 3rd Wave (which will lose value if offered 2nd hand - check i.e. the first Quantums or UDO's...) Sound wise, the Q and XTK are comparable to the 3rd Wave as they use similar WT synth engines and quality wise I can not say the 3rd Wave sounds 'better'. (whatever 'better' sounds means) But no doubt, the 3rd Wave is a remarkable synth of course. Now the question is what the Behringer Wave will do, and if they succeed, it will be a very strong competitor to the overpriced 3rd Wave... If I wouldn't own the XTK and Q, for sure I would buy either a Quantum or a 3rd Wave.
Sorry but PPG Is the First ancestors of Waldorf sinths . Apart this i think that XT (i have one immaculate), and Q certainly not grow up in price but the inverse. The old analog/digital Monsters likes PPG 2.3 and Wave are now in the Empirium and never fall down. I have sold years ago a perfect CS 80 and now you must pay, If you find One for minimum 60000€. Because these ones are old , heavy , not replicated with unique components and sounds . Instead XT, Q and are only digital , apart analog filter of Quantum( not so good). Best regards
Can someon e send this guy a State Azure mousepad? any screenprinters out there?
Anyone want a kidney? i am selling mine !!!!! ; ;. This sounds amazing. Best synth i have ever heard.
What do you think of it doing Analog style patches versus a Summit ? Seems much brighter ....
So far I feel like, at least comparing the VA/analog, the 3rd Wave to me sounds better. The filter I can say is absolutely better, Summit can't really compete vs a real Prophet 5/10 filter, but I also think the circuit emulation and oscillators on the 3rd Wave are better too, not by a huge amount, but the oscillators are probably going to get better with firmware updates enabling the oscillators to free run. On the wavetable side, not that you asked, 3rd Wave is far ahead there's no real fair comparison. The 3rd Wave can be a lot brighter I think especially with Wavetable smoothing turned off, it has an amazing buzzy/highend fizz that I love...I'm not sure if this affects the analog waveforms though, I didn't test that.
@@stateazureyeah....the wavetable is far beyond the Summit capabilities. Curious...because although it has a orophet filter, from the few Va style patches i heard, seems more kinda like a Oberheim ...fizzy, gritty cuttingand bright than something like a Prophet ... i also have a Quantum and the wavetables side does not sound too much like it even using Quantum Analog filters... this seems angrier, mire in you face , but also mire vintage and less Futuristic/experimental. I would never call the Quantum Vintage sounding:)
@@cronenbergj The second filter is a state variable filter modelled after the SEM filter, this might be what you've heard. It's the digital filter, but I think it also sounds really great. I was never very impressed with the Quantum's analog filters, which is why I sold my Quantum long ago when the Iridium's appeared. The extra voices and desktop form factor interested me a lot, and those filters just weren't good enough for me over Iridium's very decent analog modelled versions.
@@stateazure yeah...doing Analog /va sounds is not really the Quantum strength. The Summit is much more Analog (Rolandy or Prophetty...kinda) sounding than it....and the Analog Drive Gain Distorcions it has helps a lot. The Quantum now however can do 16 voices too, like iridium, even mixing 8 analog voices with 8 digital ones.
@@cronenbergj Yeah I agree with you, Summit's strength is definitely analog sounds. I'm aware of the Quantum's firmware that gave it the possibility of 16 voices, I was part of the beta testing team at the time. The Iridium/Quantum is my favourite hybrid synth because of all the different synthesis and options you have for sound design, but it's just not exceptional in any one area, it's a good allrounder and the perfect desert island synth. If I could only have one synth it would be the Iridium or Quantum.
are you selling any of your sound libraries?
Currently I only have a soundpack done for the Novation Summit which is available from my Azure Studio's Bandcamp page (link is on my main BC page - see description). I'll try and do more as I can!
This or the Quantum MK11? Honestly..
What did you decide? I prefer the 3rd Wave. It just sounds better and feels more like a complete instrument. Quantum is a sound design playground, but the engine doesn’t sound the best.
Dope video…But
Waldorf Quantum > 3rd Wave
Very subjective, and very different synths. IMO the 3rd Wave's Wavetable synthesis is much better than the Quantum or Iridium (I have 2 Iridium's and owned a Quantum), and I think it also does subtractive/analog style sounds much better.
@@stateazure Interesting,you definitely know hat your talking about,just curious on your take on the difference between the 2?
There's a lot of differences, 3rd Wave is a wavetable mixed with analog and a modern take on the PPG, it's more limited than the Quantum/Iridium but has a unique sound that you can't replicate with the Quantum. Quantum/Iridium on the other hand have much more synthesis options, including FM, Sampling, Granular and more so it has more sound design options, but I don't think it is great at any one synthesis.@@kenzoblytheproducertv4934
@@stateazure Now see you know your stuff!!!
Thats why i love the Quantum i like its different personalities and sampling into it and go in whatever direction i want and i haven’t used the 3rd Wave personally but hearing it on youtube to me your exactly right it has its own bold sound,its own unique character and you can hear the 96K shine its crazy.I think ill get the desktop version soon and do something crazy like sample into the Quantum or something and see what happens lol…
Keep dropping your videos my man…🫡🫡🫡
Thanks. The 3rd Wave definitely isn't for everyone, that distinct crisp wavetable sound is something I really like personally, and was always a fan of the PPG since Tangerine Dream used the original PPG synths in a bunch of albums.@@kenzoblytheproducertv4934
I’ve meditated myself to sleep listening to your performances too many times to count. You own an iridium as do I. The keyboard version. I am loving this 3rd Wave synth as I listen to demos. Would you say the 3rd Wave and iridium are too similar to own both, or do you think they compliment each other ?
I replied to your earlier question about this a few days ago :) they definitely compliment each other
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