@@angelus_solus nah that joke is prehistoric "...and that's how you make fire ooga booga." "Instructions unclear ooga booga accidentally made wheel." "This is going on carvvit so I can get up-oogas."
Love the pseudo-paper making! As a diehard fan of Ascendance of a Bookworm, this episode warms my soul! Small note on the papyrus, if you wrote on the horizontal side, then rolled it up so the long vertical strips were on the outside, it might have provided a little more strength when unrolled, rather than cracking apart, perhaps
When making pigment use Lamp Black (like you did in tattooing) and don't add water to the emulsion but use wine... I'm an experienced iconographer that has made their own pigments...
You have to remember, in ancient times there was a TON of manual labor available (slavery and skilled laborers) that could do a piece of each of these projects full time. Would you consider using some sort of modern tech to mimic the amount of time and workers they had available? Nothing else. Like when she was using the roller you could have a machine roll it 100k times over night.
When writing in clay, try pressing the letters into the material with an edge instead of scratching them with a point. This prevents burrs from forming all over the place, impeding legibility. That's how the Sumerians and Babylonians did it.
Isn't this also one reason for their wedge shaped letters? I think i remember something about the tool they used beeing that wedge shape so making characters out of a combination of those shapes made it faster to write on clay.
With the technology they had available (bronze and copper castings, more precise chisels and nails) couldn’t they cast bronze and copper letters or carve beeswax and wooden letters to use as stamps? Is there evidence of them doing this and if they didn’t, why?
I think I just found way to deal with nuclear waste: just send it back and forth by mail. Sooner or later it will all be either lost or completly destroyed. problem solved.
Majin Snake you know how embarrassed we feel delivering things that are are not looking good?.. 99% or carriers treat your items like they treat theirs and expect theirs to arrive. We’re just the last people to touch it and we show each other poor packaging, daily. There’s always one “do not bend” in bubble wrap with nothing to support it.... I know you’re being sarcastic... but us carriers really do care.
6:35 ok, I think you'd be forgiven for using proper rolling pins or dowel rods. You're not in the caveman phase anymore, I'm pretty sure the Egyptians had smooth rollers for their papyrus lol Cool video, keep up the good work!
A historically accurate method to protect clay tablets is to cushion them with some sort of bark, hay or straw in between the tablet itself and the clay envelope, which may be made out of cob instead of pure clay.
well I mean if it was hardened and not tempered also then if it was dropped anywhere throughout the process it would shatter, so pretty decent chance it wouldn't
@Heather Terpsta A solid sphere of steel, unless it's a through-hardening alloy, would still be quite resilient to shock loads as normal alloys only harden to a depth of about 12mm. Also, where I come from, "hardening" in common parlance refers to the whole heat-treating process of hardening and tempering. So, I'm going to call you a nitt-picker. ;)
Just to be pedantic, you made an alphabet, not a language. The language is still English. Kinda like how Japanese is written with both kanji and katakana.
It would be nice to know what's up there. A simple "Annalise wen't back to school, here's Kate" or something. Makes it seem like something happened otherwise.
Watching them roll out the pith using that lumpy, not straight stick was painful. back in ancient times, it is quiet likely that the papyrus makers would have taken the time to carve a fairly straight and round rolling pin, and I feel using a modern one would have been acceptable.
yeah that's htme in a nutshell. i like their videos but they always seem to stop at the "just good enough" phase when they are working with anything. don't watch the video in which they try to smoke foods by throwing it in the flames....
@@Adranash after all, they want to rush through the "tech tree" as it were, not spend time honing each and every stage as the real craftspeople had to do. Only when their tools break do they end up remaking them better. Though with the lathe now hopefully using straight smooth things will happen more often..
You should grow more bamboo bc it is fast growing, so you will get a good harvest during the short Minnesota growing seasons. Bamboo is also flexible yet strong, so it could be useful for a lot of things.
Its also invasive in Texas cities because people keep planting the shitters everywhere. Not complaining though. I'm sure some rodent can learn how to eat bamboo. It looks quite nice on train rides.
Arrow shafts, it's a little more work than using baby trees. But yes they are stronger, and the lighter weight makes your arrows fly faster. Also guide rail systems for firing shorter arrows, I forgot the technical term. But it works to keep enemy archers for firing your own arrows back at you, and allows you to reuse broken standard arrows.
The best, simplest, natural writing medium I found myself, is Dryad-saddle mushroom velum. It's a common mushroom that can be eaten young, but to make velum/parchemin, all you have to do is take an older/larger one, slice it very thin, then scrape and dry it like you would rawhide. It makes a cream coloured parchemin that is velvety smooth and take ink incredibly well. If it's too thick it drys into a stiff woody card-stock.
Tip for later on: egg paints dry relatively quickly. If you ever need to paint/write something that takes a long time like a few hours, you'll have to get slower drying oil paints.
Everyone: here comes the end of the bronze age! Hope this is gonna be ask cool as the real thing! *Bronze age collapse happens* Everyone: *Mike wazowski with Sully's face*
I think I have an idea on how to fix the issue with the corn papyrus substitute, cut the husks into strands, dip strands into the wheat glue and weave them together as tight as possible and dry between two flat rocks to hopefully prevent curling or waves.
The clay tablet was an okay representation of how the ancient sumerians did it. Only they used cuneiform, which is technically what every modern (non-asian) script in use is based off of
I don't think that is correct. the latin script derives from the Phoenician, through the greek. The Phoenician on the other hand descends from Egyptian hieroglyphs, where writing is believed to have evolved out of art. Cuneiform died out millennia ago, leaving little to no influence on writing, except perhaps through inspiring old persian and influencing the ugaritic alphabet, which in turn interacted with the Phoenician. So arguably most contemporary european scripts descend from a north african writing system. Anyone know if runes are still in use somewhere, maybe by some neo-aesirians?
@@willowarkan2263 Oops. Yes, you're right. While researching the script a while back I misinterpreted or misread the "replacing of it with Phoenician" to "evolving into Phoenician". Cunningham's law strikes again
I would like to point out that the Sumerians didn't scratch the forms into the clay. The pressed the sides of a rock or wood into the clay, that's why you see them as 'nails'. That way, you get much better readability after the clay has been fired.
I think what I'm most impressed by in this video is that the USPS actually let you process those packages in the way you did. If I tried, all three would have been sent back to me or the worker would have been like "no".
Just imagine sending someone a message with your clay, as you do of course, and then that person accidentally smooshed it and writes one back saying yo please send another I can't read your hand writing
My solid Gold Bullion Rusted in the USPS Mail... Luckily Gold Oxide can be changed back into metal with Heat (or more fun, Thermite) but How did they do that?!!!!
you're not weaving it like I saw a video of a lady at a museum weaving them. She was overlaying each strip so not like a basket but like one horizontal and one vertical and repeat with each strip going the same way being OVER the last, so no holes
I'd love to see a side series that explores restarting civilization after a collapse. Very similar, but more focused on reclaiming bits and pieces of modern tech like a scavenger.
Making new tools would be beneficial and could really make some of the tasks, that need more refined tooling, come together a lot more cleanly. I like that you experiment and can totally admit that something wasn't a success, since that's how we learn!
The totally uneven roller clearly not making contact with so triggering. They could make precise tools, just use something flat, make something flat. With the corn husk dip the stops in the glue like you would for paper machete. Jesus, watching you stack it and club it.... Wtf ....
In about 600 years someone will find this tablet and be struggling to work out which ancient civilisation it belongs to. It will end up with as much mystery as the Voynich Manuscript.
I think you handled that well. I mean if you lived where you do now then unless you just happened to live next to ore deposits, and I doubt that, you wouldn’t be able to do half of this without modern transportation etc. So I think gathering similar material as a poc and then ordering the actual papyrus to show how it’s done it a good way to handle things. It shows both how the concept could have been born, how it actually worked, and why civilizations all first started around the same geographical area ad well as allowing you to progress with your goal.
Eventually, you'll make it to our time doing this. What if you invent things to help people in need? Technically you'd further advance the human race by doing so if it works.
papyrus are also cool to make rope, also if you cut the top of one and put it in water, roots will grow with lots of new plants growing from it, i have lots in my garden growing all around and inside the pond, they sell them in lots of plant stores.
I always wanted to go through human history and think like people at the time to invent the same they made . Your channel really puts thing in perspective . This is applicable knowledge at its finest . This needs a lot of research , I hope you are enjoying this as much as I do . Thanks a lot .
I do believe you are close enough to the START of things. As it most probably could have happened, everything started from JUST an IDEA. Then it took years and decades, maybe centuries to develop, by somebdy else. Paper could not have been what it looks today.
Birch-bark scrolls were used in Novgorod and other towns of Old Russia. They sound easier to to replicate in your climate then papyrus.
would love to see this, there's a ton of things you can do with birch bark, people made entire boats and roofs out of the stuff
I was thinking about how there was a reason vellum was used in western Europe.
Ah, good old Onfim. He was a cool kid.
@@Cadwaladr Onfim was a wild beast.
Omg I completely forgot about birch bark. Wonderful plant, that is.
Instructions on making papyrus not clear: Built some Pyramids instead
Yeah, but I suggest making miniature pyramids, no-where near full size. Much easier to do while in lockdown.
So , that's how...
They should bury you in it for circulating a pathetic joke that's ancient enough to be found on a temple wall.
@@angelus_solus nah that joke is prehistoric
"...and that's how you make fire ooga booga."
"Instructions unclear ooga booga accidentally made wheel."
"This is going on carvvit so I can get up-oogas."
Idiot! Everyone knows you make paper out of sugarcane
16:11 "Moisturize me, MOISTURIZE ME!"
mannys9130 I get this reference and appreciate it highly
yes
Tennant is the best!
Ahh, yes. Her meme works very well with Parchment making indeed
Glad to see everyone enjoying the reference as much as I did. 😸
Love the pseudo-paper making! As a diehard fan of Ascendance of a Bookworm, this episode warms my soul!
Small note on the papyrus, if you wrote on the horizontal side, then rolled it up so the long vertical strips were on the outside, it might have provided a little more strength when unrolled, rather than cracking apart, perhaps
Terrible parking job, bro.
Love the content, keep it up!
Try steaming the corn husk before the adhering them into paper.
It may help
When making pigment use Lamp Black (like you did in tattooing) and don't add water to the emulsion but use wine...
I'm an experienced iconographer that has made their own pigments...
You have to remember, in ancient times there was a TON of manual labor available (slavery and skilled laborers) that could do a piece of each of these projects full time. Would you consider using some sort of modern tech to mimic the amount of time and workers they had available? Nothing else. Like when she was using the roller you could have a machine roll it 100k times over night.
Great Video, cant wait for the next One!
I love the new assistants Harry Potter shirts!!!! 😍
There's papyrus all over the place where I live I thought it was common, check any koi ponds?
14:35
luffy: heart drops
I just wanna see this man make a car tbh
Someone is going to see the clay one and think it’s a bomb
Why don't you try boiling the corn husks first to make them more pliable?
The mailman must be a bit confused
Haven't watched yet but ik it will be amazing
Up next: refilling my nuclear warhead silo.
You up should make your own calculator from scratch. Like go mining and get all the metal and stuff😮
YOU CAN USE RUBARB
Wait a minute. Papyrus plant still exists? I thought it went extinct!
When writing in clay, try pressing the letters into the material with an edge instead of scratching them with a point. This prevents burrs from forming all over the place, impeding legibility. That's how the Sumerians and Babylonians did it.
Wow
Isn't this also one reason for their wedge shaped letters? I think i remember something about the tool they used beeing that wedge shape so making characters out of a combination of those shapes made it faster to write on clay.
@@sewi014 to my knowledge it's not one reason, it is THE reason.
You, sir or madam, just earned a subscriber!
With the technology they had available (bronze and copper castings, more precise chisels and nails) couldn’t they cast bronze and copper letters or carve beeswax and wooden letters to use as stamps? Is there evidence of them doing this and if they didn’t, why?
My mailman smashed my Sealed Lead Acid Batteries. He can kill anything.
I think I just found way to deal with nuclear waste:
just send it back and forth by mail. Sooner or later it will all be either lost or completly destroyed.
problem solved.
@@Bird_Dog00 Wow, that's like real life minecraft. "Item durability lowers per sending"
You do realize it goes through an eff ton of handling before your it arrives to your mail man.. he’s just the last person to touch it before you.
Majin Snake you know how embarrassed we feel delivering things that are are not looking good?.. 99% or carriers treat your items like they treat theirs and expect theirs to arrive. We’re just the last people to touch it and we show each other poor packaging, daily. There’s always one “do not bend” in bubble wrap with nothing to support it.... I know you’re being sarcastic... but us carriers really do care.
Person sending package: fragile
Package handlers: lmao yeet
its pretty cool to see how far Andy has come. From poisoning his friends with pickles to creating his own language lmao
Not to be that guy but it's More of an alphabet
I was just thinking that, Shawn.
*Script
6:35 ok, I think you'd be forgiven for using proper rolling pins or dowel rods. You're not in the caveman phase anymore, I'm pretty sure the Egyptians had smooth rollers for their papyrus lol
Cool video, keep up the good work!
Yeah, they need to build a lathe, they have enough tools to make a basic one.
@@professionalschizo dude they can't make everything that was ever invented. He has a workshop, not a construction site.
@@Cadwaladr They wouldn't even need a lathe, just a draw knife or saw and some sanding blocks (i.e. rough stones and smooth stones)
A historically accurate method to protect clay tablets is to cushion them with some sort of bark, hay or straw in between the tablet itself and the clay envelope, which may be made out of cob instead of pure clay.
obligatory joke about the postal service:
"You should first test if a solid sphere of hardend tool steel can survive the US postal service..."
...
so did it?
well I mean if it was hardened and not tempered also then if it was dropped anywhere throughout the process it would shatter, so pretty decent chance it wouldn't
@Heather Terpsta
A solid sphere of steel, unless it's a through-hardening alloy, would still be quite resilient to shock loads as normal alloys only harden to a depth of about 12mm.
Also, where I come from, "hardening" in common parlance refers to the whole heat-treating process of hardening and tempering. So, I'm going to call you a nitt-picker. ;)
@@Bird_Dog00! Yes, Callout the foolery in these parts. Bird Dog!
@@Bird_Dog00 Neeeeerd
Just to be pedantic, you made an alphabet, not a language. The language is still English. Kinda like how Japanese is written with both kanji and katakana.
Not pedantic at all, they are very different things!
gassnake2004 I mean it be hard to make an entire language just for a RUclips series
It’s Absolutely a death wish
It’s also hard to make most of the things he has made on this channel.
@@gayspacemoth3455 tell that to Artifexian lmao
What is being pedantic? Never heard that word before.
Before: I paid 5000$ for this shirt.
Now: Cant quite afford to go to egypt.
that’s just how much it would be worth
*Annalise leaves chat*
....
*Kate enters chat*
Also thought that
It would be nice to know what's up there. A simple "Annalise wen't back to school, here's Kate" or something. Makes it seem like something happened otherwise.
@@Curleysound To my knowledge it still has never been explained
Watching them roll out the pith using that lumpy, not straight stick was painful. back in ancient times, it is quiet likely that the papyrus makers would have taken the time to carve a fairly straight and round rolling pin, and I feel using a modern one would have been acceptable.
yeah that's htme in a nutshell. i like their videos but they always seem to stop at the "just good enough" phase when they are working with anything. don't watch the video in which they try to smoke foods by throwing it in the flames....
@@Adranash after all, they want to rush through the "tech tree" as it were, not spend time honing each and every stage as the real craftspeople had to do. Only when their tools break do they end up remaking them better. Though with the lathe now hopefully using straight smooth things will happen more often..
You should grow more bamboo bc it is fast growing, so you will get a good harvest during the short Minnesota growing seasons. Bamboo is also flexible yet strong, so it could be useful for a lot of things.
Its also invasive in Texas cities because people keep planting the shitters everywhere. Not complaining though. I'm sure some rodent can learn how to eat bamboo. It looks quite nice on train rides.
Arrow shafts, it's a little more work than using baby trees. But yes they are stronger, and the lighter weight makes your arrows fly faster. Also guide rail systems for firing shorter arrows, I forgot the technical term. But it works to keep enemy archers for firing your own arrows back at you, and allows you to reuse broken standard arrows.
Backseat gamers not allowed, chum.
Google made me do it I swear. It wasn’t me.😰😰😰😰😰😰😰
The best, simplest, natural writing medium I found myself, is Dryad-saddle mushroom velum.
It's a common mushroom that can be eaten young, but to make velum/parchemin, all you have to do is take an older/larger one, slice it very thin, then scrape and dry it like you would rawhide.
It makes a cream coloured parchemin that is velvety smooth and take ink incredibly well.
If it's too thick it drys into a stiff woody card-stock.
Very interesting. I've always wanted to do many of the things you are doing now. Thanks, I'll probably do this myself now.
Could you possibly try something with cassava strips, as they have a glue like properties when heated it might just work
Amazing how the statement of our cities not being burned has aged like milk.
Tip for later on: egg paints dry relatively quickly. If you ever need to paint/write something that takes a long time like a few hours, you'll have to get slower drying oil paints.
Next: DIY luggage vs. the Samsonite Baggage Handling Gorilla.
"NYEH HEH HEH!!"
-Papyrus
Don't make fun out of my son.
Dr. Gaster yea that’s rude
Is this a reference to the caravan palace song?
CarpetHater no undertale
@@dapper_masonschnering8621 *megalovania intensfies*
Just about everyone In the bronze age can't wait for the iron age
I can't wait till he make his own yt
Cant wait till he passes 2020 and go straight to 200,000
Everyone: here comes the end of the bronze age! Hope this is gonna be ask cool as the real thing!
*Bronze age collapse happens*
Everyone: *Mike wazowski with Sully's face*
@@reihanboo please Shrek
@@komiks42 please Shrek
This is why ancient people don’t use the postal service
I think I have an idea on how to fix the issue with the corn papyrus substitute, cut the husks into strands, dip strands into the wheat glue and weave them together as tight as possible and dry between two flat rocks to hopefully prevent curling or waves.
Can you imagine humans of the future stumbling upon Andy's works and being absolutely flummoxed with their carbon dating results?
The clay tablet was an okay representation of how the ancient sumerians did it. Only they used cuneiform, which is technically what every modern (non-asian) script in use is based off of
The main technical difference is that they pressed the symbols into the clay, they didn't scratch them. This would make for a much better quality.
@@entcraft44 Jup. Don't know about quality though, I speculate that the technique is more important for a good result
I don't think that is correct. the latin script derives from the Phoenician, through the greek. The Phoenician on the other hand descends from Egyptian hieroglyphs, where writing is believed to have evolved out of art.
Cuneiform died out millennia ago, leaving little to no influence on writing, except perhaps through inspiring old persian and influencing the ugaritic alphabet, which in turn interacted with the Phoenician. So arguably most contemporary european scripts descend from a north african writing system. Anyone know if runes are still in use somewhere, maybe by some neo-aesirians?
@@willowarkan2263 Oops. Yes, you're right. While researching the script a while back I misinterpreted or misread the "replacing of it with Phoenician" to "evolving into Phoenician". Cunningham's law strikes again
I would like to point out that the Sumerians didn't scratch the forms into the clay. The pressed the sides of a rock or wood into the clay, that's why you see them as 'nails'. That way, you get much better readability after the clay has been fired.
I think what I'm most impressed by in this video is that the USPS actually let you process those packages in the way you did. If I tried, all three would have been sent back to me or the worker would have been like "no".
10 years later: ok guys , let’s try to make a microwave.
I dont lnow how do you do all this stuff
I cant even do my homework.
😣
money
Do your homework
@@mininara6471 no
@@mininara6471 haha NOP
Thanks for the heart though
uh. Who is kate? We need intros to new people Andy! (she seems cool though, this isn't a criticism)
She is so pretty and I love her voice
It gave me anxiety watching how close to your hand you were with the hatchet while making the pen
We are only a few more episodes away from receiving bills and ads in the mail!
Papyrus scrolls with ads for penis enlargement herbs.
You should team up with “The Modern Rogue” to make something
for the sword episode
velazquez armouries Which sword episode?
@@ToastyTastes all of them
@@ToastyTastes if they are redoing history they have to do a sword episode
An episode where Brian and Jason get to be the experts for a change.
loved the video :)
Edit: also thanks for answers some of my questions on that toilet paper stream.
well untill steel rolled around mostvhair grooming implements where flint razors or sharpened conch shells
Just imagine sending someone a message with your clay, as you do of course, and then that person accidentally smooshed it and writes one back saying yo please send another I can't read your hand writing
If the clay had dried there would be no risk of "smooshing", although smashing remains a risk. Made me chuckle though.
Fortunately corn husks come in large sheets when soaked become flexible so easily flattened and can work as a sheet of paper already so use that
lol I can't help but laugh at these people every time I watch one of these videos. Our ancestors would be ashamed!
Dirty Jobs did an episode on making parchment.
You should have waited till now to go to Egypt. I heard plane fairs are rlly cheap
This is really cool I’m gunna do this with some Palm leaves, keep up the good work, love the channel and the videos, you inspire me. -GB
What about wax tablet? They where excellent form of writing
"I tried something... and it ended up making it worse."
Ayy i love your stuff keep it up and keep the grind goin :)
It would survive if you didnt stab him
Thus making his brother go all out on you with psychic blue attacks
My solid Gold Bullion Rusted in the USPS Mail...
Luckily Gold Oxide can be changed back into metal with Heat (or more fun, Thermite) but How did they do that?!!!!
In Winnie the Pooh if Tigger was black who would he be?
you're not weaving it like I saw a video of a lady at a museum weaving them. She was overlaying each strip so not like a basket but like one horizontal and one vertical and repeat with each strip going the same way being OVER the last, so no holes
I'd love to see a side series that explores restarting civilization after a collapse. Very similar, but more focused on reclaiming bits and pieces of modern tech like a scavenger.
you really should build yourself a spring lathe :p
Assuming your postman doesn't just toss your mail in the trash the second he gets in his car? Maybe, but the most difficult step would be behind you
Make taxidermy of peacock or other animal to decorate.
Like so Andy can see or comment if possible
i see kate's leaky cauldron shirt and the peverell brothers shirt
Thought this was undertale reference. Dissapointed
9:22 Peter Draws has joined the chat.
Thank
Why dont you take your time and actually make something usable...
Boi i am hiped for the tank episode
the rolling pin hurts a little bit to watch. u should take the time, to at least make it round.
Maybe the corn husks would work better if they were cut into thinner strips
Once you get to the iron age, for your first iron tools you should do a collab with Alec Steele!
14:03 you must be terrible at coloring books
What if you boiled the corn husk and then glued it together?
could you make an ancient battery like the ones found in Syria
You'd need Copper, alcohol turned to vinegar, and maybe zinc or lead?
Carbon batteries might work too.
Making new tools would be beneficial and could really make some of the tasks, that need more refined tooling, come together a lot more cleanly. I like that you experiment and can totally admit that something wasn't a success, since that's how we learn!
Hope y'all kept the leaves of the palmetto. They feel usefull.
The totally uneven roller clearly not making contact with so triggering. They could make precise tools, just use something flat, make something flat.
With the corn husk dip the stops in the glue like you would for paper machete. Jesus, watching you stack it and club it.... Wtf ....
S H A R P EN T H E K N I F E
For the papyrus, You could use sugar cane.
In about 600 years someone will find this tablet and be struggling to work out which ancient civilisation it belongs to. It will end up with as much mystery as the Voynich Manuscript.
Hi, Kate 👋
Can you imagine being a postal worker handling this package? Dude probably thought it was made by somebody who was high.
I admire you for doing this project. This is something truely unique!
I think you handled that well. I mean if you lived where you do now then unless you just happened to live next to ore deposits, and I doubt that, you wouldn’t be able to do half of this without modern transportation etc.
So I think gathering similar material as a poc and then ordering the actual papyrus to show how it’s done it a good way to handle things. It shows both how the concept could have been born, how it actually worked, and why civilizations all first started around the same geographical area ad well as allowing you to progress with your goal.
Eventually, you'll make it to our time doing this. What if you invent things to help people in need? Technically you'd further advance the human race by doing so if it works.
I had no idea about the clay envelopes.
papyrus are also cool to make rope, also if you cut the top of one and put it in water, roots will grow with lots of new plants growing from it, i have lots in my garden growing all around and inside the pond, they sell them in lots of plant stores.
I always wanted to go through human history and think like people at the time to invent the same they made . Your channel really puts thing in perspective . This is applicable knowledge at its finest . This needs a lot of research , I hope you are enjoying this as much as I do . Thanks a lot .
I do believe you are close enough to the START of things. As it most probably could have happened, everything started from JUST an IDEA. Then it took years and decades, maybe centuries to develop, by somebdy else. Paper could not have been what it looks today.
Too many layers on the corn husk paper.
Did anyone notice that the rolling pin is bent